The Ways Ya'll Talk About Colorism Make Me Tired 😒 : Keke Palmer & Zendaya

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@LoneWulf278
@LoneWulf278 2 жыл бұрын
Colorism is when so many biracial actresses are mainstream that we start thinking KeKe Palmer is dark-skinned. She’s not. 😂
@mayowasworld
@mayowasworld 2 жыл бұрын
LMAOOOO WHERE IS THE LIEEE
@eshadiva6600
@eshadiva6600 2 жыл бұрын
This comment tho 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿😂😂😂😂 super facts lol
@Tristan11406
@Tristan11406 2 жыл бұрын
THIS?
@IMETGODSHEBLACK
@IMETGODSHEBLACK 2 жыл бұрын
Okay I’m confused then what is she?? Her skin tone changes from time to time (that’s how melanin works)
@triaverse
@triaverse 2 жыл бұрын
@@IMETGODSHEBLACK she’s brown skin. Several shades lighter than Mayowa, or even you (in your pfp)
@hugsandfries7252
@hugsandfries7252 2 жыл бұрын
I think China Anne McClain would have also been good to compare. A black talented Disney girl who didn’t get as much attention as the biracial
@brib6046
@brib6046 2 жыл бұрын
China Anne McClain also wanted to reject certain roles and distance herself from The Industry because of “Satanist” and “the LGBT agenda”. I think the second reason is why she left Black Lightning.
@Nadia-jk5jw
@Nadia-jk5jw 2 жыл бұрын
Would agree except China stunted her career when she was cancelled for being homophobic
@bells1525
@bells1525 2 жыл бұрын
How is that colorism when they’re damn near the same color?
@triaverse
@triaverse 2 жыл бұрын
@@bells1525 they are not the same color lol and China is Black whereas Zendaya is biracial.
@hersheychoco9
@hersheychoco9 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@Arian-vf6jo
@Arian-vf6jo 2 жыл бұрын
It's so wierd that a lot of black people are trying to deny colourism by saying the only reason why zendaya is more successful is due to her roles in spiderman and euphoria. Yeah but would someone who looks like Keke ever get those roles?. That is the conversation we should be having, however most black people would rather be in denial.
@CyberMachine
@CyberMachine 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is an interesting point but why are they addressing the black community about colorism? Shouldn't they be addressing white and brown people instead?
@Arian-vf6jo
@Arian-vf6jo 2 жыл бұрын
@@CyberMachine I get your point but white or brown people have no interest in eliminating colourism which is a result of white privilege as it is not in their best interests. What is disturbing is black people either denying it or willfully participating in it.
@Tristan11406
@Tristan11406 2 жыл бұрын
Why are we still begging for White acceptance is the real question?
@trxphywaifalt
@trxphywaifalt 2 жыл бұрын
I agree but the euphoria thing is because of how the story is just written. Rue has a white dad and a black mom, so ofc she wouldn’t play as her. But i do see where you’re coming from, some stories are just written for certain demographics of ppl
@Feminazi1dc
@Feminazi1dc 2 жыл бұрын
Ppl have 0 critical thinking skills apparently LMFAO
@LoneWulf278
@LoneWulf278 2 жыл бұрын
I just wish KeKe could’ve basked in the glory of her movie performance without being compared to Zendaya. 😒 That’s gotta suck.
@ml5923
@ml5923 2 жыл бұрын
like in attempt to “help” her they really just ended up being cruel because they’re not actually trying to help keke they’re consoling the parts of them that have been subjected to colorism and projecting that onto her like why did y’all decide to have this conversation this weekend? keke been around forever!
@LoneWulf278
@LoneWulf278 2 жыл бұрын
@@ml5923 Yeah. I was a bit confused. From my perspective, KeKe Palmer is everywhere. Are people forgetting her role with Ryan Murphy in Scream Queens. That show was pretty big. She’s usually cast in pretty good roles. Even beside that, she’s a host on an HBO show called Legendary. She was absolutely right to talk her ish. She is one of the most beloved celebrities in Hollywood (even among other entertainers). KeKe has never been the irrelevant or struggling artist they think she is. They chose a bad example to talk about this subject. That comparison just makes them seem oblivious to her resume. I will concede that she plays roles that are more strongly coded as black in terms of cultural familiarity. That is probably limiting. Zendaya plays roles that could be marketed to middle or upper class white, hispanic, Jewish, Asian girls, etc. Zendaya blends in. KeKe stands out in personality and appearance. BUT I don’t think this has negatively impacted KeKe as much as people want to think it has. If anything, it works well for her because she’s so likable. So idk..
@michellewilliams5947
@michellewilliams5947 2 жыл бұрын
@@ml5923 One of the best comments on this topic.
@sweedy3333
@sweedy3333 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly
@lifewithg0lden
@lifewithg0lden 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, i love Keke Palmer and don’t really follow all of the social/media discussions, so i was like where did Zendaya come from?! i prefer Keke’s acting…they are both talented though.
@peachesandpoets
@peachesandpoets 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but Keke having to give her resume to get her flowers when she's been working since before all her teeth even came in is some bullshit and exhausted me so much. Do black women with typical Sub-Saharan African features ever NOT have to justify the space they have earned?!
@dinkyboss
@dinkyboss 2 жыл бұрын
She had to put out the resume because folks act like she doesn’t have a phenomenal career and want to victimize her despite their ignorance. The perpetually online will try and drag you into everything. What’s sadder is that she’s at such a great point at her career and has to deal with this nonsense.
@TheSmily4ever
@TheSmily4ever 2 жыл бұрын
@@dinkyboss excuse compare to a biracial actor her acting career is nowhere near the biracial actor... keke is not that mainstream like her people like you always trying to stop the process of senetizing the public to issues like colorism that takes part especially in hollywood!!! even when we drop keke from this discussion tell one big name, one single mainstream DARK SKIN actress in the same demographic like the biracial actress( 20-30ish) where r there?
@Chamsiee
@Chamsiee 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@NomNomGirl1
@NomNomGirl1 2 жыл бұрын
@@dinkyboss she has the career but not the zeros in her bank account to back up her career and that's a problem. No one said she doesn't have a good career but she's not as financially compensated or pushed by the media
@shaniecerattler6241
@shaniecerattler6241 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmily4ever I think Viola Davis would be one good example. But she's one example of very very few... smh shame
@Bajah_sole
@Bajah_sole 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the tweet compared their careers and equated Keke Palmers career as less successful. She felt like she needed to defend her successful achievements. The issue is she doesn’t receive the same amount of support from fans.
@dinkyboss
@dinkyboss 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the problem. The folks who are trying to drag her into this simply don’t support her. Her first acting role was for a major movie franchise. She’s been successful but because she doesn’t have the same exact career as Zen she should consider herself a victim. Huh? These folks need to get off the internet and touch grass.
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t see it as saying she’s less successful. It said her “mainstream popularity “ is different. Many people would be quick to say Keke has always been successful in my eyes, but it’s just less mainstream (i.e. where white audiences are, we hear about her less).
@soupafleye
@soupafleye 2 жыл бұрын
@@alisharo58 exactly it’s all about proximity to whiteness and the white audience really. zendaya has it. keke not as much and we know why
@Bajah_sole
@Bajah_sole 2 жыл бұрын
I understand, the issue was the comparing wasn’t their opportunities they were comparing their success. Something that is very subjective. I feel like people should be supportive of her as they are their favorite rapper and we wouldn’t be talking to this extent. Colorism for black women especially dark skin black women becomes a topic trending occasionally then people forget until Twitter trends again. If we as people want to see change consumers (black people) need to stream, watch their person’s film, follow them on social media, and truly support them.
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
I feel you. I agree success is subjective but I think mainstream popularity isn’t. That’s measurable by how much you see someone mentioned in mainstream spaces. Keke is extremely acknowledged by the Black community. I remember a tweet (circulated widely by us) saying Keke is always in her bag. We do notice her. but mainstream media does not. If Keke isn’t getting mentioned on the front page as often as Zendaya, her mainstream popularity is lower, even if she is extremely accomplished. That’s why it’s upsetting. Keke has how many jobs? Yet it’s not enough to interest mainstream media. I agree though that it is annoying this issue only pops up as a “hot topic” when it is a never-ending , everyday experience for darker skinned people. I do agree we can keep up that energy not just when she first gets the job but afterward too. That still likely won’t influence her appeal to white audiences, but it helps make her feel valued/seen. Not arguing with you, just commenting :)
@sadiM653
@sadiM653 2 жыл бұрын
Why does society expect celebrities to speak on political topics that will effect their brand? To be perfectly honest Zendaya can speak on colorism and has because it won’t effect her brand. Keke Palmer speaking on colorism Will effect her brand and on top of that as a black woman she is not protected. So of course she doesn’t want to speak on colorism or become a advocate for that because obviously it is a problem and obviously she doesn’t want to use that for her platform. When she spoke up against Trey Songz and his sexual misconduct no one wanted to listen and said she was lying. As soon as a white woman talked about it everyone took it seriously and didn’t question rather she was lying or not. So if I was Keke Palmer I would say fuck off respectively too.
@NomNomGirl1
@NomNomGirl1 2 жыл бұрын
She should have just stayed quiet instead of responding.
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
@@NomNomGirl1 that part. OP's analysis is correct, but that means Keke shouldve stayed quiet. She talked in a harmful way to the conversation
@Boo-bastic
@Boo-bastic 2 жыл бұрын
@@NomNomGirl1 people have the right to free speech she did just right.
@Vincinate
@Vincinate 2 жыл бұрын
@@NomNomGirl1 "shut up and dribble"
@onyx081
@onyx081 2 жыл бұрын
@@Boo-bastic "Free speech" doesn't mean freedom from consequences or critique.
@ittckus1
@ittckus1 2 жыл бұрын
Keke has addressed colorism in previous conversations and wasn’t downplaying it. I think she got defensive about her career bcuz she has her own achievements. Zendaya too, has explicitly acknowledged that being biracial gives her more opportunities than black women. Online discourse gets so messy, that things loose context.
@Thesilentvoice...
@Thesilentvoice... 2 жыл бұрын
Keke is mainstream she was in Disney/Nick, Scream Queens, Broadway, Buzz Lightyear and now Nope. Her career is the same as Zendaya in terms of resume, and even the likes of Selena Gomez. But she has not had the same attention or support.
@pacificodelnorte6628
@pacificodelnorte6628 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say something similar to this. I know for sure I've watched a couple interviews with Zendaya clearly addressing the racial privilege given to her by industry standards. And she said when she gets through the door, she tries to bring other black people along with her, especially in situations where she is a producer on a project.
@ambriaashley3383
@ambriaashley3383 2 жыл бұрын
Keke was downplaying it a little. Ive heard her previous thoughts on racism, poor people, & even R. Kelly, were simplistic and kinda like "can't we all just get along?" type vibes
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
@@ambriaashley3383 not r kelly 💀
@veesancez
@veesancez 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesilentvoice... I agree . She's on par with Selena they were out at the same time (which makes a big difference imo) . She was the only black girl on TV at the time and had he own show .she did 2 Disney movies at the same time too
@ban1o
@ban1o 2 жыл бұрын
why pick the opening weekend of Keke's movie to talk about how her career isn't good enough compared to the light skinned girl?
@ml5923
@ml5923 2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!!! then turn around and claim it was in support of her but didn’t even celebrate her for the project that made them start the discourse! the girlies have brain rot and are too far into their echo chamber to realize majority of this is just projection and insecurity! like very weird
@ban1o
@ban1o 2 жыл бұрын
@@ml5923 Yeah I used to talk about colorism a lot but I've come to realize that the circles that discussion it promote a lot of negativity instead of lifting up our black sisters I just don't understand comparing Keke's career to Zendaya's in an unfavorable light is helpful to Keke at all during the opening week of her #1 film. Black woman just can't have success without it needing to turn into a think piece/put a negative spin on it. I jut hope all these people speaking so loudly about colorism watched Nope.
@dinkyboss
@dinkyboss 2 жыл бұрын
THIS!!! These folks are demented. They are really trying to drag this woman because she doesn’t want to conform to the narratives THEY created for her.
@snijanafleur8442
@snijanafleur8442 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they are not real supporters. They seem to be using the Black women celebrities as pawn for their think pieces for clout & profit.
@TheArtofBeingReacts
@TheArtofBeingReacts 2 жыл бұрын
Because it's a perfect way to compare how much they are treated differently in the industry. Keke has never been on the cover of Vogue. Zendaya has been on thee cover of Vogue four times. Keke got to host the red carpet for Vogue. So they obviously like her personality, but they don't use her to sell their magazines or their clothes(, but they let Zendaya).
@elledumble
@elledumble 2 жыл бұрын
OhStephco made a video about this and I understand her POV. I would add that Keke and Zendaya were "branded" and "marketed" differently from the get go! Zendaya was branded as a young version of Hailey Berry/Zoe Saldanah. The black actresses who are black but don't make white people uncomfortable. Keke on the other hand has always been unapologetically black! And I love her for it!
@siriusakari6729
@siriusakari6729 2 жыл бұрын
When will Americans stop referring to bi-racials and mixed race folk as black. Everywhere else in the world we refer to them as being mixed-race. When I look at Zendaya I do not see a black person she looks like an exotic European and as a result gets a bigger white fanbase that actually spend money to watch her compared to Keke and the company executives know that.
@crystalcastillo7575
@crystalcastillo7575 2 жыл бұрын
But I feel like thats the issue. Like why does someone have to be branded and molded to fit the "white person's gaze". The only way you can make unambiguous black people "less uncomfortable to white people" is if you make or give more roles to unambiguous black people than biracial people. Does that make sense? You need to see something more (more black people in these "white spaces") to make it a more normal / normalized thing. People are uncomfortable with the unknown.. so make it known (make unambiguous black people's presence known/ seen in these typically white spaces)
@brynnk2518
@brynnk2518 2 жыл бұрын
Keke really has no choice but to be unapologetically black because she is black .
@elledumble
@elledumble 2 жыл бұрын
@@siriusakari6729 tbh it's not just an American thing! I wasn't even aware that I said Zendaya is a black woman because I hated it when my ex's family said that our kids would be "black". They are Italians in southern Italy so not really aware of American culture! The reason I was offended was because of the belief that one drop of negro blood makes you black even if you look like Mariah Carey or Meghan Markle is racist AF and I don't subscribe to it but sometimes we fall for their bs... Especially as Black women. We are always defending and embracing everyone even though they hate us. Black men, Asians and biracial people whenever they are victims of white supremacy come to us and we are there for them but they don't embrace us at all... They all throw us under the bus at the first opportunity
@r.walker7986
@r.walker7986 2 жыл бұрын
Zendaya clawed her way up through guerilla red-carpet tactics... She made them see her. There are not many roles written for mixed girls, she had to go up against mainlyoutspoken on race issues...
@biabia9181
@biabia9181 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to say the comparison doesn’t really match. The real meat of the conversation should be that if zendaya was darkskin and obviously black, she wouldn’t receive as much opportunity and she would not be as popular. Period.
@lot110
@lot110 2 жыл бұрын
And how would u know that!
@biabia9181
@biabia9181 2 жыл бұрын
@@lot110 by the many other beautiful dark skin black women who act sing and model but don’t get the same opportunity and mass popularity as zendaya. She hasn’t done anything majorly special. Except be socially attractive and slightly quirky. And yet world wide she is loved and revered.
@PsychicMedium4747
@PsychicMedium4747 2 жыл бұрын
Fact
@MIA-fq1di
@MIA-fq1di 10 ай бұрын
​@@lot110show me any dark skin black woman who's on Zendaya s level and I will wait👂
@dajiyahmcae1880
@dajiyahmcae1880 2 жыл бұрын
This outfit is doing absolutely everything for me! Also all of this is exactly what I’m saying
@christopher6361
@christopher6361 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you on most of this. But you see the benefit in comparing but also say we shouldn’t talk about colorism in the mainstream like this. The reason ppl phrased it this way was in order to get a main stream(white) audience to pay attention. And it worked as far as gaining attention. I agree Keke Palmer and other dark skin women shouldn’t have to get pressure on them. But Google colorism and there’s already a million think pieces and video essays with zendaya’s face everywhere. But it hasn’t done anything outside the community. This tweet has gained more traction in the main stream than anything else. And yes black ppl could show up more for Coco Jones but that will literally never get her main stream success. The black community has been what has kept Keke famous. That’s why Keke Palmer never got zendaya success. It’s because she can’t tap into a white audience which is what zendaya can do. There’s a ceiling to being black ppl famous. We need all the tools in the toolbox. Black ppl can support their own dark skin women artist and reframe conversations but there’s a ceiling unless you broaden the audience of these discussions.
@JubeiKibagamiFez
@JubeiKibagamiFez 2 жыл бұрын
And the other BS thing is that hollywood studios won't even give dark skinned actresses a chance on the regular because all they care about is pinching every single penny to maximize profits. Greed isn't the cause of colorism, but it definitely perpetuates colorism.
@laurenjackson2810
@laurenjackson2810 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said 👏🏾
@UnbiasedlyPetty
@UnbiasedlyPetty 2 жыл бұрын
Oh snap a reasonable comment. This was refreshing. Black folk , particularly the ones of a dark shade, get wrapped up so deeply in the colorism convo that they forget things like marketability. Black support alone is not always enough
@wandiam6635
@wandiam6635 2 жыл бұрын
But… do we even know that Keke cares to tap into the white audience? And do the shift in marketing that’s required to do so? Are we sure that Zendaya and Keke are even gunning for the same end results and interested in the same collaborators ? Plenty of our most revered Black entertainers don’t ring a bell to most white people. I just wanna push against the idea of ‘Black famous’ being something that’s categorically less than. There doesn’t have to be a ceiling when there are other buildings. It’s just an apples to oranges comparison to me, but I respect your view.
@christopher6361
@christopher6361 2 жыл бұрын
@@wandiam6635 I don't think black famous is less then. But it does come with less access. I don't know either Zendaya nor Keke Palmer personally but I would assume they both want to be as successful as possible.
@DANNYTHEFROG123
@DANNYTHEFROG123 2 жыл бұрын
I think this was a distraction. We all know colorism is real. Keke is successful and shouldn't have been used in this example. But it is still real. They were trying to get a reaction out of us. By saying see Keke is doing good so you can too. We know our truth.
@JourneyWoman11
@JourneyWoman11 2 жыл бұрын
Colorism is racism. They aren’t different. Colorism is a deepening of the problems with racism. Same with sizeism and texturism.
@JubeiKibagamiFez
@JubeiKibagamiFez 2 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@josephbishara4791
@josephbishara4791 2 жыл бұрын
What about tribalism in Nigeria?
@MeganAllen1738
@MeganAllen1738 2 жыл бұрын
"Sizeism," if its name is self explanatory, isn't really connected to racism. Featurism, texturism & colourism are by-products of racism.
@daniellachewetel6773
@daniellachewetel6773 2 жыл бұрын
@@MeganAllen1738 yes
@luvrbae
@luvrbae 2 жыл бұрын
@@MeganAllen1738 if sizeism is what i think it is, pls correct me if im wrong, discrimination against ppl based on body types? and if so, then that actually is also a byproduct of racism bc yt ppl used def fetishized black ppls bodies and also discriminated against ppl based on those factors. things like faphobia, ableism and even small things like the aversion to body hair were all tactics curated and used by yt ppl (and now general society) to discriminate further and continue to push the "norm" of skinny, neurotypical, yt bodies. I hope I make sense. so much of that stuff is linked to and byproducts of yt supremacy/colonialism/etc. it's crazy.
@jarednicholson4223
@jarednicholson4223 2 жыл бұрын
Colorism is real and alive I've been saying keke needs more! especially with the contribution she adds to the entertainment industry it's always made me feel like she should be bigger, shes super talented, isn't problematic sidenote ( I'm gonna need the reboot of xmen to cast her as storm ) she needs that blockbuster push of being a leading lady in a big franchise in my opinion
@blessingo7449
@blessingo7449 2 жыл бұрын
She definitely needs to be casted as Storm. It's time that role is given to a non ambiguous BW like the original comic..
@eshadiva6600
@eshadiva6600 2 жыл бұрын
Nope we need an actual dark skin storm lol thanks
@donnamayaz6192
@donnamayaz6192 2 жыл бұрын
But black girls aren’t in those franchises unless it’s wakanda
@jarednicholson4223
@jarednicholson4223 2 жыл бұрын
@@donnamayaz6192 that' is a very sad truth
@blessingo7449
@blessingo7449 2 жыл бұрын
@@eshadiva6600 Lupita Nyongo then? Or maybe Danai Gurira
@daijahbabb5127
@daijahbabb5127 2 жыл бұрын
My thing is keke Palmer is brown skin i feel like it takes away from actual dark skin girls like lupita nyongo 🤷‍♀️
@mariamhani-g9j
@mariamhani-g9j 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@justafanfave228
@justafanfave228 2 жыл бұрын
Keke is typecasted and that has a lot to do with her affiliation with black Hollywood (race is highlighted with all the character she plays) while Zendaya is starring in Marvel movies. Zendaya does not take “black” roles. You would never see her in a Tyler Perry movie or working with Lee Daniels and black Hollywood as a whole. Her brand is geared towards the white audience. Keke says she has no loyalty among the fans in a video so why aren’t y’all watching her projects? Let us start there. Sheryl Lee Ralph is also not mainstream and many others. Coco Jones is beautiful but y’all don’t give her the time of day either 🤷🏽‍♀️
@honeyst6133
@honeyst6133 2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@thehermoine3852
@thehermoine3852 2 жыл бұрын
Zendaya doesn't want to take roles away from darkskin black women. That's why she takes roles from white women.
@LPno.9
@LPno.9 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of when Zoe Kravitz said she doesn't take roles offered to her that are considered traditionally black because she can't relate to those experiences. To which my answer was "Then act, dummy. That's the job." But as you said, she wants to avoid typecasting. I guess it's worked, even though one of her characters was named Toast. I can't tell if Zendaya shares Zoe's allergy to black people, though.
@HoneybeeAwning
@HoneybeeAwning 2 жыл бұрын
You said nothing but the truth!! What's up with her team? Because this also gives the impression that Zendaya's team isn't out there fighting for her to get roles. It's pretty rare that movies are made with actors already in mind and even when that happens, said actor can still lose out on the role.
@LonnieBhi
@LonnieBhi 2 жыл бұрын
@@LPno.9 This sounds a bit hypocritical, if Zoe & Zendaya were choosing "black" roles, black ppl would complain about mixed ppl being in their spaces/replacements. Now that they don't & embrace who they are, y'all are still mad?!
@ragdoll774
@ragdoll774 2 жыл бұрын
I love the cowrie shells in your hair and the corset layered over that cool print/fabric💙🤍. Your outfits give me inspo for incorporating my Nigerian culture into my personal style.
@mothicbeauty
@mothicbeauty 2 жыл бұрын
Zendaya simply was not the right person to compare Keke’s career to.
@wokefromhome7389
@wokefromhome7389 2 жыл бұрын
This!
@rodb66
@rodb66 2 жыл бұрын
Not at all.
@jenn4593
@jenn4593 10 ай бұрын
Why not? It played a role in their careers.
@kidawesomeness123
@kidawesomeness123 2 жыл бұрын
When i heard of this debate I immediately assumed keke made a point of auditioning and working in black spaces wheras zendaya admits to reading for roles for white women. While its obvious keke cant go for roles meant for white women keke made a point to center her career around black movies and black spaces she wasn’t necessarily looking for mainstream success. Wheras zendaya made a point to add some biracial representation to white spaces. One of the reasons i believe we havent heard from coco jones in a while is because she was competing for the few roles dark skin(or brown) women get in mainstream projects. She talks about how hollywood wanted her to “wild out” for her roles and do things she wasnt comfortable with and she turned down ‘big’ opportunities because of it. Maybe chyna wouldve been a better comparison, but currently even she is breaking off from mainstream hollywood and doing independent production and projects
@ornenow4703
@ornenow4703 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good point!
@blacklightning7022
@blacklightning7022 2 жыл бұрын
Chyna did a video not long ago about her reasoning for leaving Black Lightning and mainstream Hollywood and said things weren't sitting well with her spirit (paraphrasing), so she's in the same boat CoCo was in. I'm loving CoCo as Hillary on Bel-Air and her new music is good as well. Hope to see more of her
@hugsandfries7252
@hugsandfries7252 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like at this point Idek if it’s more colorism or racism, because zendaya is a half white woman and that’s what helps her
@trxphywaifalt
@trxphywaifalt 2 жыл бұрын
What i noticed is that yt people lift biracials above black ppl when its time to compare. They dont claim half black people but they will always choose to uplift someone of their lineage even if they’re only half, over actual black ppl
@Tristan11406
@Tristan11406 2 жыл бұрын
@seeyaontheothersidelol White people have ALWAYS behaved like this. That’s why I’m confused as to why so many people are still surprised. They elevate themselves and what’s closer to their aesthetic. We as Black people have to push our own to the fullest.
@TeaWitcher
@TeaWitcher 2 жыл бұрын
And she LOOKS white. Ex: the Eurphoria poster 😳
@michellewilliams5947
@michellewilliams5947 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeaWitcher Get your eyes checked.
@genevaxo
@genevaxo 2 жыл бұрын
@@michellewilliams5947 She looks like a half-white woman.
@ShawnBloom
@ShawnBloom 2 жыл бұрын
how are we measuring success? I feel like yall are telling this woman that she's not successful enough to compare to Zendaya and that she should be upset. Maybe she's happy with her career and wasn't even giving a damn about what Zendaya was doing. 🤷🏽‍♂️
@Jessica-zm4fe
@Jessica-zm4fe 2 жыл бұрын
I think Keke is trying to protect and uphold her Image. To see her as second rate to another actress can have implications to the opportunities she receives. This comment came out at a time where she's a lead in a new Jordan Peele movie. Instead of highlighting her performance and supporting the film, we are on Twitter comparing her career to a lighter skin actress career. Imagine it in reverse. I felt like the timining and the way the question was framed sucked.
@Jessica-zm4fe
@Jessica-zm4fe 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the question to be asked is "how do we show up for Dark Skin Black women". The person should of said let's go an support Keke and the new movie to show we want to see unambiguously Black Women leads.
@shainal.joseph5374
@shainal.joseph5374 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Keke was saying that she does not experience colorism. It read more like "how dare you even compare me Zendaya and assume that she has a better career then I've have" I think if this person has done their homework on Keke they would have known all her accolades. The original tweet was assuming that Keke had a lesser career because she is dark skin, which in itself Keke saw as colorism. I'm a dark skin woman and I don't want people assuming anything about me because of my skin tone. I understand where Keke is coming from.
@mimiandy1683
@mimiandy1683 2 жыл бұрын
Me, as well. For the past 16 years, Keke has been entering my radar and I am not a follower of her career. So, she must be doing very well for her career. Homie must live under a rock.
@lot110
@lot110 2 жыл бұрын
wrong
@shainal.joseph5374
@shainal.joseph5374 2 жыл бұрын
@@lot110 compelling argument
@youmaydisagreebut848
@youmaydisagreebut848 2 жыл бұрын
Many people are mixed.... let's say black and white.... Can these black people who are mixed be racist and colorist at the same time? Can their Black DNA be colorist and they're White DNA be Racist? What percentage of black must a person have in order to be considered black? What is the lightest shade a black person can be to still be considered black? Is Jada Pinkett Black? Is Mariah carey Black? Is Jidenna Black? Is Cardi B Black? ALL OF THEM HAVE A BLACK FATHER Are They All BLACK???
@jenn4593
@jenn4593 Жыл бұрын
Ohhh! Thanks for explaining! This makes Keke’s comment make so much sense. But she should know that she is not as well known as Zendaya unless she is in denial.
@sabastan333
@sabastan333 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. In my opinion, I feel like that’s why we as a society (I can only speak from the perspective of America) can’t get anywhere when it comes to these social justice/systemic issues. We’re still having debates about if racism/colorism/texturism/sexism/misogyny/misgonoir exists????? It’s like at what point are we gonna give up the charade and stop acting like this stuff isn’t alive and well. We can’t even get into the realm of solution(s) if we’re still not acknowledging the problem(s)??
@demeicampbell2278
@demeicampbell2278 2 жыл бұрын
I wrote the viral tweet mentioning the net worth and I found it so interesting and funny how major news outlets wouldn’t bring that up. Like let’s get the numbers involved, the difference in PR and MARKETING when it comes to skin color. It’s nerve wrecking.
@theklr
@theklr 2 жыл бұрын
I still think we’re missing the core of the issue. It’s the media/beauty industrial complex. This is a institution and the effects of European colonialism, and not an individual’s responsibility. Keke gave the measured response that keeps her working. Whitening creams are at all time high and the writers that create this discourse misdirect us from addressing the problems of the institution.
@mothicbeauty
@mothicbeauty 2 жыл бұрын
Also, something no one was addressing was the fact that getting famous at 9 (Keke) isn’t the same as getting famous at 16 (Z). Two very different come ups at play just on that fact, so when you add in the lens of colorism, you’re looking at a very complex situation. Horrible comparison!
@sharonbaker3007
@sharonbaker3007 Жыл бұрын
The tone of blue in your garment is super cool!💙💙💙
@janet7995
@janet7995 2 жыл бұрын
Biracial and blk are 2 different races. Imagine if WW got pissed every time 🤍 roles went to biracials. Majority would never let that happen. It’s like they will do anything to preserve their likeness. Sometimes I think the BC needs to do the same in order to protect their image 🤷🏽‍♀️ Colorism can exist within the same race, but when you compare 2 different races it gets messy.
@rodb66
@rodb66 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! There's no comparison.
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@kasketbase8741
@kasketbase8741 2 жыл бұрын
That's cuz biracials usually look more black than white
@MIA-fq1di
@MIA-fq1di 10 ай бұрын
No need to even say Biracial coz Halle Bailey a black woman was attacked left right and center by everyone literally everyone for playing Ariel a role that was meant for a white girl they say😂😂😂😂😂
@ChrisBrooks34
@ChrisBrooks34 2 жыл бұрын
I guess one of my problems with the colorism conversation is it always feels disingenuous. People are not having this conversation in good faith. They just want to knock people down a peg or two. It's not even all the people who were blatantly disregard colorism; it'll be the people who make those little passive aggressive statements. They'll have a but in their statement and nothing good comes from that.
@mimiandy1683
@mimiandy1683 2 жыл бұрын
This is how I’ve felt about the situation. I felt like this is one of those situations where “being socially conscious” wasn’t needed.
@jerri-aleasejones9531
@jerri-aleasejones9531 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably one of the best discussions I’ve heard about this topic. The discourse on Twitter/Social Media made me uncomfortable and frustrated as well but I was finding it difficult to verbalize my feelings. I love these videos
@olidoce2348
@olidoce2348 2 жыл бұрын
Im always amaze how intelligent and well articulated you are. You also very gorgeous
@blaquelightning6149
@blaquelightning6149 Жыл бұрын
Just here to correct a few things. Zendaya didn't just address colorism "years ago". The reason why you can't find an article is because she's spoken about it in video interviews and panels, firstly highlighting how she wants to begin working behind the scenes and has plans to cast black women in her films because she wants to see more stories that focus on topics outside of trauma. She also acknowledged her privileges as a mixed actress, saying that Hollywood views her as the default and that there should be more roles for black women. Also, less than a year ago, she was getting death threats for playing Chani, which were reminiscent of the ones she got for playing the white redhead named MJ. If playing historically white roles means she's taking up space in Hollywood in place of black women, at this point you're asking for her to simply not be booked. And if she's not taking anyone other than white women's roles, I'm sorry, but that in itself is weird. She doesn't have to stop being employed just because Hollywood is colorist as much as its racist. She still has a fairly small filmography and she's already talking about taking steps back so she doesn't have to be on screen as much as black women. I find it strange how Zendaya's the only actress that's ever demonized for being able to work. Anyways, I wish people who didn't actually read what she says stopped speaking on her. You just never know what you're talking about.
@Alexa-uk8lj
@Alexa-uk8lj 2 жыл бұрын
Why should pressure be put on ANY of these women?! Zendaya and Keke have been out here minding their damn business. They've had different management, different roles, different audiences, and different choices. I'm sick of these conversations. As stated a better question would be "How do we show up better for any of our Black actresses, and specifically non-biracial Black actresses?" And Zendaya didn't have to respond and neither did Keke.
@tdr.220
@tdr.220 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that colorism can play a part, I don't think that Keke wants to get caught up in the victim narrative around it. Similar to how most black people are just living their lives and don't want to be involved in every perceived racial injustice. It isn't possible. I think you have to surround yourself with people who see you as an individual that uplift and promote you and see your value. The media doesn't represent the thoughts, views, and opinions of everyone, and limiting oneself to perceived hardships is a waste of valuable time. No doubt some people are racist, colorist, sexist, etc. However, I think an over-obsession with these topics will ultimately rob you of your joy and cause you to create barriers to living a full and healthy life.
@leilanidru7506
@leilanidru7506 2 жыл бұрын
@TDr. It’s not some people. It’s entire systems. And I agree to an extent. You have to find a balance between living your life to the fullest while still acknowledging reality. PLEASE don’t waste your life trying to untangle Hair Brained Twitter discourse. At the same time, have a healthy dose of reality. It’s not just racist billy bob with his confederate flag at his family trailer park. For example: even when controlled for income the black maternal mortality rate is VERY much higher than white women. And we see these same racial trends in unemployment rates, wealth, and other quality of life factors. It’s neither a conincidence nor the act of one individual racist or sexist. Entire institutions, from healthcare to housing to Beauty, were built with richer and whiter people in mind. That doesn’t mean think about it constantly. I agree an over-obsession is never healthy. Balance is key. Stay of Twitter.
@iisskye
@iisskye 2 жыл бұрын
You look beautiful sis. Your outfit is the one ☝🏾 I love how organic and confident you are. Your always representing the un represented. Keep talking and shining. ❤️
@agustinbadillo3132
@agustinbadillo3132 2 жыл бұрын
Loved all the accessories on your outfit 🤎. I agree with you so heavily, it would be more productive to have conversations on how to amplify the voices of dark skin people.
@ornenow4703
@ornenow4703 2 жыл бұрын
I get Keke's response. I don't think she or anyone (or at least anyone I saw in the discourse) was trying to deny colorism exists. But I wish we could have these conversations without comparing two actresses publicly. 😕 I think the question you posed about how we can show up for dark skinned women is a much better and more productive way to have that conversation. That whole exchange had to be incredibly awkward for Keke. I too would feel insulted if someone was insinuating that I wasn't as successful. Who gets to define that success? Also we have to accept that sometimes celebrities don't want to be the faces of our colorism conversations. And that's okay. I'm also okay with people celebrating Keke lol. We can celebrate her success and still have a productive conversation about colorism.
@tdr.220
@tdr.220 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that colorism can play a part, I don't think that Keke wants to get caught up in the victim narrative around it. Similar to how most black people are just living their lives and don't want to be involved in every perceived racial injustice. It isn't possible. I think you have to surround yourself with people who see you as an individual that uplift and promote you and see your value. The media doesn't represent the thoughts, views, and opinions of everyone, and limiting oneself to perceived hardships is a waste of valuable time. No doubt some people are racist, colorist, sexist, etc. However, I think an over-obsession with these topics will ultimately rob you of your joy and cause you to create barriers to living a full and healthy life.
@bambieb2177
@bambieb2177 2 жыл бұрын
Meme, she’s literally saying don’t compare me. Ans she’s shouldn’t be compared. And the reason biracial Z isn’t responding is she has nothing to say. She should stfu as a beneficiary of biracial privilege. I literally hate when light, bright, and bi/racially ambiguous run their mouth in spaces that aren’t theirs.
@parbhk2889
@parbhk2889 5 ай бұрын
Your outfit is so stylish ! I love that blue and the fact that it is traditional makes it way better ❤
@priestlaaris8208
@priestlaaris8208 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Boo, thank you for another great video. We definitely need to move past asking this question, when the answer has already been stated long ago. But on a lighter note, the corset and the cowrie shells are my favorite part of the outfit, it’s giving Mami Wata vibez.
@BRIXXANY1
@BRIXXANY1 2 жыл бұрын
I think people are framing the colorism debate like that (the way in which people still act like it’s a myth that can be proven in cases and disproved in other cases) is because they still hold the belief that “yeah they’re biracial but they’re still black” which is dumb btw if you think like that. They think because lighter skinned or biracial people still have Black/African lineage that they are the same amount of suppressed to our darker skinned counterparts; which simply isn’t true. They’re the same people that use white Supremacy rhetoric such as: they hold a high regard of what white people think of us or they claim whites will use the same amount of violence towards us bc of our shared lineage so that means we’re on the same playing field and we’re not.
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
Alllll this . The one-drop rule must die in the Black community. What I also don’t understand is how someone can say biracial people with non-Black family members are just as Black as people with exclusively Black family. Like the whole upbringing/culture/lifestyle will be totally different in each case. That’s just a fact. Yet people deny it. I feel like the denial is a way for Black people who procreate with non-Black partners to not feel guilty and not feel like there contributing to the erasure of Blackness.
@lot110
@lot110 2 жыл бұрын
You are not construct black what a stupid thing to say so many people do the white supremacy's work!
@Jojo-tf2zp
@Jojo-tf2zp 2 жыл бұрын
I clicked so fast, i just needed someone i knew would set the record straight because I was feeling crazy watching these reactions And my favorite part is the matching headband and shells in your hair, definitely giving afro-futurism!
@nikkis.9747
@nikkis.9747 2 жыл бұрын
I think KeKe was right to defend her career since the tweet implied that she wasn't as successful. Her statement was actually empowering to me because it says that despite colorism, she has significant achievements. Yes, colorism/racism presents many more obstacles, but she continues to overcome those obstacles to achieve her goals and dreams. We should all be so determined.
@larissalaflore7202
@larissalaflore7202 2 жыл бұрын
Agree that Keke had a right to defend her career.. Sometimes you have to speak up for your self. And Keke has spoken up for Halle Bailey in The Little Mermaid
@annieothername
@annieothername 2 жыл бұрын
Your outfit is SO CUTE! I love that you give us breakdowns of your looks in every video, always super fun! Like “before we get into what they getting confused on Twitter, do yall see my makeup?” LOVE IT!!
@hallotschuss4177
@hallotschuss4177 2 жыл бұрын
Your dress and make up is so cute! Also great points
@AdeolaAsh
@AdeolaAsh 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I’ve also invested into supporting more of who I want to see. Colorism call outs in the Black community have only put me and my peers that do them in more danger, I don’t bother engaging anymore
@annward7794
@annward7794 2 жыл бұрын
I love the draping of the material, of course the corset rocks it. Thank you for this video, here to learn. 🙏💐
@amaricreates
@amaricreates 2 жыл бұрын
Colorism to me reminds of the fact that “people want a seat at the table but aren’t given the opportunity to get in the building.” You can be exceptional at your craft (or even the opposite) but without opportunity you will never be able to grow and showcase your abilities.
@Singer_and_Songwriter
@Singer_and_Songwriter 2 жыл бұрын
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@tonieboykin8364
@tonieboykin8364 8 ай бұрын
Always Beautiful! And on point.defending is acknowledging. She knows her blackness is a barrier to how hollyweird sees her.
@chardebroc5518
@chardebroc5518 2 жыл бұрын
Love the scarf and the necklace!!! Everything is beautiful ❤
@camilaarangohoyos3953
@camilaarangohoyos3953 2 жыл бұрын
Your whole outfit is gorgoeus but my fave part is how you pair the makeup with it ⭐
@t.taylor1611
@t.taylor1611 2 жыл бұрын
The color and pattern are beautiful!! 😻😻
@pterodactylpie8825
@pterodactylpie8825 2 жыл бұрын
I remember loving the actress in A Little Princess and in Jurassic Park : a lost world (she did the gymnastics kick to the velociraptor). I always expected to see her in a lot of movies, she was so good and had such a natural ease on screen.
@matxalenc8410
@matxalenc8410 2 жыл бұрын
Vanessa Lee Chester.
@moniqueloomis9772
@moniqueloomis9772 2 жыл бұрын
@@matxalenc8410 Thank you. I don't understand the OP's comment.
@wokefromhome7389
@wokefromhome7389 2 жыл бұрын
She was a cute little girl with a natural presence I felt like a little princess should have started her as a blind casting choice
@castalan00s
@castalan00s 2 жыл бұрын
Steven Spielberg liked her so much that she made her play as Jeff Goldblum’s daughter. So directors really have power in giving unambiguous (dark skin) black girls prominent roles in huge franchise films. As of today it is such a joke. Keke is in a lane of her own, I like that about her. But colorism is rampant and evident in Hollywood. If you’re closer to whiteness you get hired easily and have a better time getting spotlight and recognition.
@louisianacookingwithkay
@louisianacookingwithkay 2 жыл бұрын
2:22 No shade forwards Zendaya, but she's nowhere near as talented and versatile as Keke Palmer. Keke Palmer is like a baby Angela Bassett. I absolutely love both of them. They're so talented, versatile, and well-spoken. I also love how Angela Bassett supported and embraced Keke Palmer, unlike how Gabrielle Union did Ryan Destiny.
@ossier2796
@ossier2796 Жыл бұрын
So what’s your solution? Does colorism just affect women? These people can’t do anything about the color of there skin and how do you know that the color of their skin is the issue?
@omggiiirl2077
@omggiiirl2077 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish people would stop the denial. If i can see it as a mixed Black woman then it exists. This is where I have to be community member in that mixed people shouldn't represent Black people, We shouldn't be the face of Blackness in the USA. Are we Black, yes, but do we have a colorism problem yes. More than one thing can be true at the same time. We have to be respectful of the people who are the face of our community not take up their space. Yes we are Black too, but sometimes we need to step back and support our family that struggle and get the most negative aspects of colorism. Instead of gaslighting and arguing and denying these things, we must back our people up and stand up with them. It's not fair and it's wrong. If i can admit it then others can too. They in denial. I grew up seeing with my own eyes these things. And honestly I need to see more unambiguously dark skinned people everywhere. To be in a space where we are the norm is a wonderful feeling. The only time I experienced this was in Jamaica, where i was just another Black girl walking down the street. Please people be supportive and be loyal, and stop the denial.
@thecryptoqueen215
@thecryptoqueen215 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely see what you’re saying. And my fav part of your look was the white corset belt!😍😍😍
@IMETGODSHEBLACK
@IMETGODSHEBLACK 2 жыл бұрын
Girl you are quick!! Thank you for going in about this issue ✨
@destinydivine8465
@destinydivine8465 2 жыл бұрын
Notice all of her accomplishments were tied to her being black. First black this..etc. She just proved that she isn't mainstream..
@ml5923
@ml5923 2 жыл бұрын
that literally is mainstream 😭 like why are y’all weird !! this girl had her own tv show on prime time television on one of the biggest children networks period. what about that says “not mainstream” are y’all okay??
@destinydivine8465
@destinydivine8465 2 жыл бұрын
@@ml5923 no..you are just slow. She is popular amongst Black Americans..which makes up 13 percent of population. Mainstream means no matter your race you know who she is! Like Jennifer Lopez and Halle Berry. Why do I need to explain this?! Calling people weird when you clearly don't know what you are talking about..
@leilanidru7506
@leilanidru7506 2 жыл бұрын
@m L even tho original post said Keke herself isn’t mainstream, so your response makes sense, I still read that as the whole point of being the first black --- etc, is that (dark skin) BLACK WOMEN aren’t mainstream in those roles. That’s why we’re still having first black --- to this day. The first “black” Vice President, the first black female Supreme Court justice etc in 2022. Among other not as extreme positions of power. *You can be an outlier and oppression still exist is the overall point I think*. And that’s doubly or triply true the further you are from white. The statistics speak for themselves, and they have for decades. We never needed this warped keke pamler zendaya dichotomy in the first place. Now people are arguing/being defensive on whether keke’s success is despite oppression or in its absence when we could be having less beans-for-brains discussions on colorism 2022. It’s like trying to debate if humans are causing climate change when we should be coming up with solutions for our earth that’s currently on fire.
@PumaArg
@PumaArg Жыл бұрын
@@ml5923 Tbh as an outsider I have know Zendeya FOREVER but literally found out about Keke just a couple of years ago
@sierrashavon6459
@sierrashavon6459 2 жыл бұрын
I might be interpreting Keke's tweet wrong but I took it as her saying the fact that she has so many incredible accomplishments and she's being compared to someone who doesn't have those same accomplishments but is arguably more mainstream is another part of the colorism issue. That's just the way I took it but I enjoy hearing and reading other people's interpretations too!
@lot110
@lot110 2 жыл бұрын
you are wrong
@sierrashavon6459
@sierrashavon6459 2 жыл бұрын
@@lot110 ok
@cfoster6804
@cfoster6804 2 жыл бұрын
Listen folks colorism, at least in the entertainment industry, is all about what makes WHITE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE. Zendaya has been paired with mostly if not all white men in movies (Spiderman, Dune). That's more visually comfortable for white Americans to see a white guy with a woman closer to his skin color. They get uneasy if they see a Keke Palmer with Spiderman. If you are familiar with the works of Dr. Francess Cress Welsing then you know why. There aren't enough blockbuster black movies for Keke to star in to make it as big as Zendaya who can cross over anytime.
@politereminder6284
@politereminder6284 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see Keke as dark skinned. I also didn't know that Zendaya was " black" for the longest time 👀. I think we should have the colorism question, but these two, certs uccessful women at the top of their game are not the right framing for that conversation. 👀
@rodb66
@rodb66 2 жыл бұрын
Keke is not dark skinned at all.
@loveheals6184
@loveheals6184 2 жыл бұрын
You look amazing! The outfit is beautiful. While talking child stars, Camille Winbush ('Nessa from Bernie Mac Show) is doing ads and low budget films vs Yara Shahidi (Zoey from Black-ish) who's everywhere plus magazine covers. Both beautiful Yara's had access to more roles and money.
@teeade
@teeade 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing because I was just reading the tweet. Always interesting to hear what you think
@charlajefferson9220
@charlajefferson9220 2 жыл бұрын
We are still sitting here arguing which melanated person White Supremacist prefer. Like why?! We can not get out of the slave mindset.
@Fabsocialism
@Fabsocialism 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked the headband!
@Cocochantelle
@Cocochantelle 2 жыл бұрын
Always coming on here looking like our African Faerie 🧚 Godmother or an Ancestor/Orisha 🤩
@PsychicMedium4747
@PsychicMedium4747 2 жыл бұрын
You are speaking facts. Not sure why people act like this does not exist. Yes, as a biracial male I am very aware of my privileges compared to a black dark skinned male. Why do people want to pretend it does not exist? I think people don’t want to admit it because no one wants to be left behind which I understand. The fact is that biracial is not black…biracial is just that biracial. We need to stop comparing the two because biracial people in general do not navigate the world the same as our black kin folk. Two completely different experiences
@_KayBee_
@_KayBee_ 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so cute whenever you stop to talk about your outfits. Love the commentary also.
@Sunshine-8229
@Sunshine-8229 2 жыл бұрын
It’s all about anti-blackness. That’s why I don’t use the term colorism. It’s anti-blackness!
@veryhappymondays
@veryhappymondays 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t hate the player. Hate the game. Imho, put the pressure on those who pay the check, not the actor, light or dark.
@tdr.220
@tdr.220 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that colorism can play a part, I don't think that Keke wants to get caught up in the victim narrative around it. Similar to how most black people are just living their lives and don't want to be involved in every perceived racial injustice. It isn't possible. I think you have to surround yourself with people who see you as an individual that uplift and promote you and see your value. The media doesn't represent the thoughts, views, and opinions of everyone, and limiting oneself to perceived hardships is a waste of valuable time. No doubt some people are racist, colorist, sexist, etc. However, I think an over-obsession with these topics will ultimately rob you of your joy and cause you to create barriers to living a full and healthy life.
@sweedy3333
@sweedy3333 2 жыл бұрын
That part. DSBW ARE disadvantaged systemically, but the expectation for them to play the victim is tired and insulting and places an assumption that their success is based on pity and not their own merit. And then when they actually are a victim, they get attacked for it. It's wild
@mimiandy1683
@mimiandy1683 2 жыл бұрын
You’ve shined a light on why I felt that original tweet was out-of-pocket. I also feel like that Twitter user wouldn’t have bothered to write something similar on a Zendaya-related tweet.
@oshunthagreat
@oshunthagreat Жыл бұрын
Does anyone have a theory of why even dark skin men are put in the media before black women? Is it male privilege because they are trying really hard not to see black women as human
@OYOKO
@OYOKO 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the outfit 💙 adding the corset was a great choice. I’m starting to have a thing for corsets nowadays
@crystalcastillo7575
@crystalcastillo7575 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting on your thoughts. I knew you wouldn't disappoint. One of the first issues black people as a COLLECTIVE has to address is why we claim biracial people as black & why we continue the one drop rule. Being biracial doesn't mean you are black. Hanging onto biracial people & seeing their wins as "our own" reminds me of a video I saw from (I can't recall which of these ladies it was) Fab Socialism (if Saweetie is BlackI am a super Negro) or Chrissie (the Rihanna, asap Rocky baby video) where they said something like "black people wanna claim their {biracial people's} successes cause we barely get full wins/successful representation in mainstream media with unambiguous black people). Claiming biracial people as black is RUINING any chance for a productive colourism conversation
@lot110
@lot110 2 жыл бұрын
Why do we use race period! It is made up bull White Supremacy is internalized by us
@whitneybrown4067
@whitneybrown4067 2 жыл бұрын
This is Gonna b so Insightful🔥🔥🔥👍n Happy Wednesday😀….
@jillhbaudhaan
@jillhbaudhaan Жыл бұрын
Your hair, hair band, and accessories. Genuine question: If I become a millionaire (or have a suitable nest egg) and I wanted to create a college scholarship for only dark skin black women, do think I'd be allowed (thinking law, philanthropy, and public education institutions)? This is genuinely something I'd like to do one day, so I often ponder how I'd set it up. Should I have a color chart? Request a photo of the applicant with their parents? Not say they've won, until they show up in person?
@deadassnick
@deadassnick 2 жыл бұрын
I like the contrast of the white corset. And the shout out to urself in the beginning 😭💙
@Fatimamalamisaad-opinionated.
@Fatimamalamisaad-opinionated. 2 жыл бұрын
“Of Nigeria” Love you,new subscriber!❤️
@very-good-very-fair
@very-good-very-fair 9 ай бұрын
Zendaya can play the snow queen and no one will notice the catch, she is so far from black...
@StephanieNiecey
@StephanieNiecey 8 ай бұрын
Exactly!!!
@louisianacookingwithkay
@louisianacookingwithkay 2 жыл бұрын
1:57 I absolutely love Keke palmer! She's so talented, beautiful, melanated, articulate, funny, and intelligent!! That's my girl. I'm so proud of her, because she has her own network called KeyTV. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@tammygant4216
@tammygant4216 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you start with a shout out to you! Love the vibe!😃
@louisianacookingwithkay
@louisianacookingwithkay 2 жыл бұрын
0:56 I'm loving the colors. 💅🏾 This is my favorite shade of blue!
@emmaluzphilipp1049
@emmaluzphilipp1049 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is always problematic to attach these kinds of discussions to individuals. And in this case it rather feels like it puts more pressure on Zendaya than Keke because it feels a little "she was lucky because she has a lighter complexion". How should Zendaya respond to people pointing out her privileges? She simply can't - maybe she doesn't want to. I often feel like stats, ratios, historic background etc. always serve these discussions better.
@cygnetlake8017
@cygnetlake8017 2 жыл бұрын
Victimizing privileged groups/individuals is NEVER it
@johnjungkook2721
@johnjungkook2721 Жыл бұрын
@@cygnetlake8017 and what about african american privilege for being born in a first world country? Do you know how hard it is for black people in poor countries? You can't be a victim, okay so the whole racism debate is pointless, stop crying then.
@Blindfold-Me
@Blindfold-Me 2 жыл бұрын
It absolutely baffles me that there are people that deny colorism existing
@imtime22
@imtime22 2 жыл бұрын
The COCO JONES COMPARISON. THISS y'all think KeKe has had it rough CoCo is the same age and was in the same rooms under the same scrutiny with the same talent as Zendy
@chxchx
@chxchx 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and incisive as usual, Mayowa. This video gets to the heart of the matter.
@alicee8408
@alicee8408 2 жыл бұрын
Headband & eye makeup 🔥
@Brentford704
@Brentford704 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this ..I feel like that... just opinion basically. Sad that Zendaya's talent is reduced to her skin colour. She's beautiful and talented. Period.
@taajahsmith913
@taajahsmith913 2 жыл бұрын
Especially in the corporate world, I’ve seen family members who literally have to change their name to receive an interview. I definitely understand biracial people have struggle however people literally want to be lighter or would go as far to date a lighter person so that their child won’t experience the struggles. Keke didn’t have to respond either lol we know it’s gaslighting when ALOT of dark-skin women go through this everyday
@ml5923
@ml5923 2 жыл бұрын
but she DID have to say something the internet gave their unsolicited opinion on her career without even having full details ABOUT her career and she didn’t stay in the echo chamber that is twitter and now y’all mad that she doesn’t share the same mind as y’all about HER life. I think colorism is important to speak on but y’all ruined her premier release by turning it into something negative that’s weird asf
@ml5923
@ml5923 2 жыл бұрын
she couldn’t even bask in all the glory of her release because 30,000 twitter accounts are saying you never got the flowers you deserved while still NOT giving them to her when due and the scone she thinks different y’all upset with her ts is so strange y’all got a mob mentality
@upsettispaghettispaghetti2114
@upsettispaghettispaghetti2114 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the white corset and it’s contrast to our outfit it’s so cute!
@strw.b3rry395
@strw.b3rry395 2 жыл бұрын
It’s *texturism, colorism, and fatphobia* Now, Keke isn’t fat at ALL but Zendaya extreme thinness gives her a certain proximity to whiteness. White female (teenage) fans are able relate to that body type in a way they can’t w/ Keke. There’s this book: *fearing the black body[…]* that touches on this. Additionally white men see her as a object of desirability because they don’t stray too far from what there used to so they have a proclivity towards her as well. Finally, White people invest the most in entertainment overall. Look at those in the audience at any rap concert. Music made for and by black people have stadium full of white people because that’s who shows up and can afford it. Black people support with word of mouth (twitter) and streams but that’s as far as their support goes monetarily. They’re not going to watch the same movie in the theaters 5x like white folk do. The problem is the fans because the industry itself is giving her her accolades, giving her her opportunities but they don’t stick cause niggas aren’t showing up as much as they speak on it online! We need to put our money where our mouths are!
@alisharo58
@alisharo58 2 жыл бұрын
I’m all for monetary support but… where are people supposed to find the money to go to the theaters 5x? I agree there’s power in money, but advocating shouldn’t be expensive. I’m not going to fault Black people for not handing more of their money to the rich and privileged. Maybe if there was some reciprocity (giving money to celebs actively investing back in the community… not saying Keke isn’t, I don’t know for sure), then I would think that’s justified to give money to the rich. but otherwise, I’m not going to find fault with Black people with not sharing wealth they likely don’t have in the first place.
@dinkyboss
@dinkyboss 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for someone to make it some how about fat phobia because I just knew someone would some how bring it up despot the topic being about two very thin women. Y’all may lack the range for these subjects but y’all are creative.
@strw.b3rry395
@strw.b3rry395 2 жыл бұрын
@@dinkyboss you right
@kerenesmith7665
@kerenesmith7665 2 жыл бұрын
My fully black ass with a "white body." 😭😂
@wokefromhome7389
@wokefromhome7389 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever thought of blaming producers instead of attacking the actresses? It's funny it takes a mixed race director to put an unapologetic black actress as the leading lady in his flim. How many monoracially black producers and directors are doing this?
@tonyagibbs1963
@tonyagibbs1963 2 жыл бұрын
I love the corset and the colors of the top? Gorgeous on you! 😍
@Aries-Amore
@Aries-Amore 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part about the outfit is the color. Overall, you look confident, otherworldly and really glamorous
@Yesitsmedaphne
@Yesitsmedaphne 2 жыл бұрын
I was reading the comments on the post and saw that people were missing the point due to her "success". For Keke herself to then respond in the exact same way, pretty much dismissing that colorism is very real 🤦🏾‍♀Like it's not that hard to comprehend that being a "successful" black person does not make you exempt from systems of oppression 🙄
@theklr
@theklr 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Keke doesn’t have time for colorism. She’s already in an industry that already doesn’t want her naturally. She’s focusing on what she can control.
@tdr.220
@tdr.220 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that colorism can play a part, I don't think that Keke wants to get caught up in the victim narrative around it. Similar to how most black people are just living their lives and don't want to be involved in every perceived racial injustice. It isn't possible. I think you have to surround yourself with people who see you as an individual that uplift and promote you and see your value. The media doesn't represent the thoughts, views, and opinions of everyone, and limiting oneself to perceived hardships is a waste of valuable time. No doubt some people are racist, colorist, sexist, etc. However, I think an over-obsession with these topics will ultimately rob you of your joy and cause you to create barriers to living a full and healthy life.
@LadyAstarionAncunin
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
Girl, Keke was NOT dismissing that colorism is real. Keke KNOWS that it's real. She's in the industry that relies on it. What Keke was doing was saying, "Look at my resume and don't compare me to her." And she was right to say so!
@Brownmahfun
@Brownmahfun 2 жыл бұрын
GASLIGHTING IS DEFENETLY REAL. By the way, I saw you dancing in the shorts and you were Beautiful.
@imangiomo
@imangiomo 2 жыл бұрын
Love love LOVE that blue on you, hunnYYY!! Youz poppin, sis!
@luvrbae
@luvrbae 2 жыл бұрын
i don't use social media much and when I did happen to open Twitter and came across Keke Palmers tweet I initially took it as something very different and thought it was a good tweet without understanding the full context. i would never wanna promote the idea that colorism is not real or doesn't happen, esp simply bc u get a lil bit of money/fame. i also didn't know if Keke palmer was considered dark skin, but as a lighter skin monoracial black person it's not rlly my place so i was just there to support Keke palmer who i do happen to adore and who i thought was experiencing sum antiblackness &/ colorism based on the topic of the original tweet. i dont always get to comment but thank you for sharing your thoughts and commentary 💗
@macummings7818
@macummings7818 2 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful 💕 It also articulates a bit why the people who these kind of comments are directed to may have defensive reactions. I've described my reactions to others pointing to me as a target of colorism 🙄 with silence and the strongest feeling of CRINGE. Keke's reaction is probably about this too - being on the receiving end of identification as a targeted group feels bad you guys. It feels bad. And so we are not really into it. As real as it is, as worthy as we may be. Good talk; appreciate your perspective.
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