The Wayward Realms Kickstarter : Impressions | June 2024 Update

[@BlottyWellRite]

I am happy I gave to their cause. Looking forward to the product when it comes out.

[@Lettuce_Play]

Thumbs up my friend! Yes, I am absolutely looking forward to The Wayward Realms as well. Watching this now!

[@OnceLostGames]

We are a little late here, but thank you for another great video! Lots of great info and a nice roundup of comments and thoughts!

[@magickaddict]

Thanks again! Look forward to the awesome progress in 2025!

[@donwald3436]

I pledged and I don't even care if you even release (but please do) I'm just happy to support the effort lol.

[@OnceLostGames]

@@donwald3436 we truly appreciate it and have been working hard at getting it out for you.

[@user-ec4ze9yq5t]

Thank you for the video! Great as always!

[@magickaddict]

Glad u liked it!

[@Lettuce_Play]

Yeah that climbing with the bare hands was quite something. Yesss! Absolutely, the dialogue interface is very reminiscent to what we saw in Daggerfall, and especially Morrowind, a very good thing. I might be selfish in saying this, BUT if I had a choice, I would like BOTH the reading AND voice over hahah. But if I could pick only one, then of course, the text based dialogue. A friend told me that a playable BETA Early Access might be coming December of NEXT year, 2025. Right, is it possibly to be truly evil or good in The Wayward Realms, I wonder this myself. I feel with the world being mostly procedural generated, it would make for a perfect game for let's players to...Let's Play the game. Many different type of adventures & experiences people can have. This is some great stuff & great topic to discuss. I may do something similar myself, friend. Thank you again for this information.

[@magickaddict]

Look forward to your take Mr Lettuce Play! Thanks for the comment!

[@savlecz1187]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Action RPGs are just more popular than classic RPGs these days. Also, some might consider the game too ambitious to be good. Procedural generation gets a lot of bad rep these days and a game that uses this technology to generate even the story might be off-putting to some people. I really hope the game turns out fantastic but it's no surprise that the kickstarter isn't nearly as succesful as KCD's.

[@WOOHOJEHA]

Back in 2014 Kickstarter was still a new thing and there was a lot of hype around developers bringing back old school types of games that AAA publishers weren't interested in funding. Some of those led to great success; games like Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Divinity: Original Sin, etc. But there were a also a lot of Kickstarters that ended with very disappointing games or just never released at all so people are a lot more weary about funding projects like this.

[@donwald3436]

Kickstarter is like mini angel VC, you can put your money in on something you support and maybe you get something or maybe you get nothing. As long as it's not an outright scam well you put your money in and you got nothing, that was one of the possible outcomes lol.

[@nolanmcintosh4712]

I mostly paid into kickstarter hearing stories from some of the developer's who recently graduated college struggled to get their foot in the game industry, I can sympathize with them and I can relate with their difficulties starting their career because I'm in same boat with my own career path. I never played Daggerfall, the only Bethesda games that I have touched was Fallout 3, Skyrim, Fallout 4, Obilivion, Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online and Starfield. I have played procedural generated games outside of Starfield like No Man's Sky, Minecraft and the original Diablo.

[@blueshit199]

I'm gonna be cautiously interested in this game. I think when open world games are set on a series of islands it feels like the creations wanted to get away with not blending the biomes together seamlessly, and to cheapen out on the map size since a lot of it will be water. lots of RPGs seemed to do that in late 2000s/early 2010s

[@OnceLostGames]

Our islands are on a massive scale, so the blending of biomes is a must.

[@blueshit199]

@@OnceLostGames glad to hear it

[@karloskarlinderstrom6943]

I hope this game is more than a "fantasy world simulator". Remember, Skyrim was very good; but what truly makes the Elder Scrolls great was the unique lore and world building.

[@falconseptim]

As a fan of early TES games, Morrowind/Daggerfall, I welcome this game with an open geek heart and wild imagination. :)

[@memegazer]

Ty for the vid...great coverage about how wayward realms has been recieved. I think there is a lot of potential there...and maybe the doubts are right...and that potential is not even possible. But imo if we can get a result that is similar to daggerfall with modern technology then that is already doing more than most game devs are even aiming for.

[@lobban2]

I have high hopes for this one. Even if it's a bit of a gamble (as everything you pay for in advance) I believe this can help developers understand what players want to play going forward.

[@ziongite]

The reason western games have changes is because gaming has become so much more common that the majority of gamers now are really young, like 10-14 years olds basically. Back in the era of Daggerfall and those games the average gamer was likely in their 20's. As a result games have had to become more juvenile in order to appease the younger audience basically. That's why a game like this isn't as popular, but a game having people dressing silly and twerking and filled with childish humour would be popular etc. It appears western games escaped their origins, and copied Japanese RPG's that have always been more childish, Japanese RPG's lean on good vs evil and plot driven, with often juvenile characters, it really appeals to young kids, because in Japan their main gamer base was always young kids anyway. With the success of Japanese games, I feel like western games started adopting the same kind of direction and became similar to Japanese games. Games like Wayward Realms is attempting to revive the true western RPG, but they will have a hard time doing it, when the average gamer in the west is a 13 year old kid.

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

I wonder if the devs are interested in exploring AI to voice their text????

[@Tullerman]

The term gameplay loop is always a bitt worrysome to me, very hopeful though 🙏

[@OnceLostGames]

A gameplay loop is what every game has, even ones like crafting and survival. Games do not consist of one time action experiences, but rather a set of actions that you repeat with some variety to keep them feeling fresh. We would never make the gameplay as simple as what the gameplay loop we described was, but when you break down all the elements, those are the set of actions that players will be preforming in the game.

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

BG3 started as a kick-starter

[@DancesRainyStreets]

Longevity is much more important than having all kinds of bells and whistles that take away from the experience. If i'm playing RPG video game, i want to have more choices in dialogue, not someone spelling out only a few choices for me, or having to watch another cutscene because of an "event" happening. Why then not watch a movie instead? I've also seen some people complaining over the years, about how every game needs a very deep story and every character an almost as deep back story, otherwise there's no "emotional" connection and it's not worth the investment of one's time because of this. It's mostly nonsense to me though, because any game throws you in it's world and you need to survive, emotional connection and deep story or not. There's lot's of games out there, that have (almost) no story and are mighty replayable. I'm not saying story isn't important, because it is for certain genres of games. Adventure games are the first that come to mind, with RPG's coming second. The Wayward Realms seems to aim for a balance between having story and having the freedom to create your own.

[@przemysawlubkowski6321]

At 7:00 You are comparing Kingdome come deliverance to this game and Your argumet is that if Kingdome come deliverance a game by an uknown developer can generate 1 milion punds in 36 hours , surley this game can raise more. In my opinion this statement is wrong, Kingdome come deliverance had Daniel Vavra who was the writter for Mafia 1 and Mafia 2 , both of which are great games i would even say they were genre defining. Another thing is that KCD had great / realistic fighting mechanics , great grafics when it came out. Currently im waiting for Skywing , and Skyblivion but still i would loe to play this game and i hope it will get realesed

[@Ludydobry]

Its Huge (thats what she said..) but is it only single player ? Are you alone in all in this game, is it purely single player ? Ive played more single player RPGs than I can count, and I just cant go around a huge map alone anymore, killing hordes of npcs, I need a coop buddy in games I play now

[@magickaddict]

You are a social gamer!? I'm a loner gamer! Co-op is not a bad thing to have. But they need to design the quests, reputation systems and other systems for co-op mode. Extra work. But then BG3 did it. But that is a narrative RPG. This is a sandbox RPG like Bethesda games, so maybe the focus is on Single player with lots of factions and game systems and co-op is not a priority?

[@Ludydobry]

@@magickaddict I agree with that, Im not playing single games anymore since Ive played all of the old good ones in the past 30 years, new ones just dont pull me in with anything new its all seen, done and killed before. The only way to experiance it differently is when there is a human interaction so its not just you and the npc, there is an extra, unpredictable non AI player and thats when it becomes fun for me. I played BG3 solo, its the best CRPG ive ever played in my life, I also played it in 4 player coop and thats something you never forget, trully amazing experiance, filled with interaction and unpredictability.

[@memegazer]

I truly don't understand the criticism of procgen that says "it will be lots of the same assets reused" You take a game like skyrim and it reuses the same assets many times across many use cases and people don't seem to realize that is a must in gaming. You can't make a unique visual asset for everything in a game. The question is not if procgen will reuse assets...the question is will it do reuse assets in a way that creates scale but not in a way that is so intrusive that the reuse stands out more than with regular games that don't uses procgen Sure you can look at the dated visuals of daggerfall and say "I am bored nothing interesting has been done here" But that is only true in the context of modern gaming....at the time daggerfall was one of the most ambitious games to ever hit the market. Now some of the same team are trying to do that again with modern technology. Call me crazy but I think that has lots of potential as an area to explore in the gaming industry and as far as I can tell there are not many in the space trying to explore that potential.

[@magickaddict]

Good points. I think Daggerfall quests were also very interesting. I think the mages guild questline had way more variety and more interesting decisions to make than the Mages Guild quests in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. The Merchants and InnKeeper quests were charming, even though they were simpler quests. Also, the number of factions and quests from each faction were incredible. If they ensure every faction is well developed, like Daggerfall then, this will be a wonderful game. On top of that we have modern visuals, sailing, spell maker and lots of interesting mechanics. Lets hope we get an alpha build by the end of 2025

[@eam1219]

such an ambition, but as usual, I'm afraid, reality will make a hard check later on. E.g. take wind simulation, why on Earth you need it in a fantasy RPG? And at the same time, dialogs are voiceless an dump a lot of text on players, as if it is 1999

[@KiwiHawk-downunder-nz]

Maybe it was the game player graphic's let them down, I hope they where only block out items, I'm feeling they maybe should had had a more close to finish slice to show

[@a1racer441]

personally, I need a more solid foundation and something before giving money I believe that they will deliver what is promised for the backers, but I think what they have as a goal is maybe unlikely to be achievable. not impossible just that it would require somebody like Microsoft or Sony backing them with a huge amount of money to achieve the end goal they have set. I think if they can take the money they have been gifted by people and bring out something that wows me I'm all for it, and I have faith that the world building and stuff will be great. I mean everything they have shown is good so far from seasonal weather to the boats the npc the overall is looking good. I would like a real handwritten aspect and some handcrafter aspects to be shown off as well because using procedural generation for everything isn't great. in my view it's not that it doesn't work but it needs to be done in moderation along with hand built and crafter aspects to be great. this was more longwinded than I intended but I guess I think they can handle it, but I just personally need a little more proof and convincing. I hope they can deliver because if they do the game is basically everything I want in a game.

[@magickaddict]

Sony would keep it a Playstation exclusive. Not sure how the team would feel about that. Microsoft is interesting, given they have acquired studios making similar games (sort of), but again this discussion will happen once the alpha build comes out. Thats when they talk to publishers. As you said the Alpha build quality will be the key. Let's hope we get that build by the end of 2025.

[@a1racer441]

@@magickaddict agreed I’d like to see this as a 3rd party game everybody can play. When stuff is exclusive it limits who can play stuff I personally play most on pc but console is a huge market.

[@fxeconomist]

I didn't get KCD. It just didn't have that mystic aura of Oblivion.

[@larrote6467]

Oblivion was generic

[@ragingmonk6080]

No voiced NPC's then I am not interested. Was really looking forward to this game.

[@IZhevranI]

Thats just not doable with the complexity they aim for with their virtual game master. Having to voice over text lines simply limits the possible scale. Though simple machine TTS might be added later.

[@tpfraden7249]

Imagine not reading

[@ragingmonk6080]

@@tpfraden7249 "Imagine not reading" Imagine not just standing in a city and listening to the idle talk of the NPC's in an IMMERSIVE way. The things you people will tolerate...

[@tpfraden7249]

@@ragingmonk6080 no voice acting means they can add shit in the future without having to pay/wait for lines. And they can have them say anything without an actor’s disapproval. Voice acting is way too tedious for a game of this scope anyway. I’d say don’t shoot it down just because there isn’t any voice acting. Just wait to see if it still suits you.

[@ragingmonk6080]

@@tpfraden7249 "no voice acting means" they are broke as a joke and the game will fail. "Voice acting is way too tedious for a game of this scope anyway. " Stop making excuses for incompetence. The guys making this made games in 1994 when voice acting wasn't really a thing. But voice acting for the main NPC's and idle chatter for others is a must. Go play Skyrim, it was done perfectly.

[@telomerecentromere4175]

They should ai npcs an ai voices

[@1183newman]

I dont think the kickstarter was all tht great, mostly got backers based on hopes and dreams rather than the actual content they had to show off.

[@eliteteamsolo3346]

No voice acting is let down for me