THE WAZZLER: Forget Gatekeeping, Become The Gate | Castle Super Beast 286 Clip

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@BestTeaMaker

[@starwars90001]

Imagine signing up for the world martial arts tournament and your first opponent is Piccolo or Vegeta.

[@rasendori20]

bUT WhaT AbOuT GO-Kuuu?!?! WhY dO U hA8 GoKUuuu!?! /s

[@BasicSub]

Forget them, the really issue is hercule using buu to rig the fights. 😂

[@dootdootington386]

Feels more like Broly. The other two will probably just knock you out. That guy is gonna mangle you.

[@InReserveProductions]

I'm tapping out faster than an instant transmission.

[@ApexGale]

and that is why tournament seeding exists

[@visoreyes6393]

Woolie: Get into fighting games. Justin Wong: Get into a different fighting game.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

The Justin Wong Everywhere System was controversial, but when emailed for response, Capcom was quoted as saying, "FATE IS FORGED IN FIRE"

[@HarukoJisan]

You see the giant traffic cone in the street? If you get close enough, you can hear aggressive arcade stick sounds.

[@trop3848]

​@@HarukoJisan the cone can be easily stored and carried to support a nomadic lifestyle

[@Mr.Faust3]

The internet was convinced J wong was just the silly evo 37 guy but MvC2 is his domain

[@Rasamune]

The thing about Justin Wong getting his ass handed to him by Daigo is that first he had to be good enough to get matched against Daigo

[@SorakuFett]

@@Rasamune Also friendly reminder that while Justin lost the moment, he did go on to win that match.

[@Skeleton-chan]

Domain Expansion: LIGHT PUNCH...

[@pepperedwithgunfire]

​@@SorakuFettIt's super funny cause I think the big Justin Wong W everyone remembers (that Cyclops 1v3 against Yipes) is the exact same situation where he wins the big moment but ultimately loses

[@notesscrotes4360]

The actual reasons Evo Moment 37 was hype are completely lost to time, but one of the reasons was -because- Justin was so dominant in every game at the time and it was fun to see him get his comeuppance. SF3 was like a tertiary game for him, and he still dominated that tournament!

[@deanospimoniful]

The Wazzler is an apex predator that may soon eat itself out of an environment to live in.

[@MrMillionDub]

Damn, that's good.

[@Berselius101]

Speedrunning every fighting game community ever

[@thetrickster4899]

the wazzler is Deviljho?

[@Shadest]

Imagine being some little kid excited to try out this cool fighting game you saw just get released because it has all the cool Marvel characters you know and then your first match you get put against a guy who's been playing longer than you've been alive

[@Kaarl_Mills]

its why I had to stop playing TF2, I have no chance against some soldier whos been rocket jumping since the original Quake, and now is only capable of perceiving the world in "I can jump off that" (For reference I started playing in 2011, the game isnt older than me but now Im too old and never gained the skills to keep going)

[@JackgarPrime]

​@@Kaarl_Mills Those TF1 heads are no joke

[@RDV333]

You Gonna Learn !

[@JackgarPrime]

@@RDV333 Welcome to the real world!

[@Shadest]

@@Kaarl_Mills all the people still playing tf2 were forged in the fires of the bot crisis, i can't compete with them either

[@jadedragon216]

A gate implies you can find a way through. No, Justin is the wall that you have to struggle to climb over.

[@Rainbow_Snake]

*Points to Justin Wong* "THAT'S THE WALL, BROTHER!"

[@CrossfeetGaming]

Yeah, the fucking walls in AoT.

[@Dracobyte]

So the trope of the Beef Wall is real!

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

THE WALL THE WALL NO MAN ON EARTH CAN MAKE IT FALL

[@Dracobyte]

@@TAMAMO-VIRUS the city must not fall!

[@metalgearskeletor]

I like to imagine a RE3-esque scenario in which a new player is wandering around the menus like Jill and with every option closer to matchmaking J Wong/Wazzler is walking around like Nemesis and instead of yelling stars it's just "You're gonna learn today!"

[@deerking7464]

I saw a meme that was exacty what you're describing lmao, even had the MvC2 main theme play the moment Nemesis/Wazzler steps in

[@Biodeamon]

Mr.W instead of mister X

[@adams3627]

It's easy to forget because Daigo made him look like a fool once, but Justing Wong is one of the greatest fighting gamers alive. (Plus, Daigo makes everyone look like a fool)

[@PlatypusMage]

Literally the person with the most mainstage EVO wins, with 7 of those 9 being in MvC2.

[@greatestcait]

Justin Wong is the Vegeta to Daigo's Goku.

[@4thSurviver]

Except Woolie. Woolie still looks like a boss after getting Daigo'd.

[@plutoburn]

That's a weird take. Justin put Daigo to the brink of defeat and had to pull out one of the greatest comeback to beat him. I'd hardly call that making him a fool.

[@theotherjared9824]

This collection is like letting every life sentence felon out of prison at once. We had them contained in fightcade for years, but now a new era of torment and oppression has begun.

[@johnp.9900]

Justin out there like Lenny petting the heads off the new players and looking at their mangled carcasses like "I thought they was having fun, George!"

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

"Do you play pvp?" "I AM PVP."

[@Spicypuff]

I can see someone coming back from a long day of work, booting up their console to play some mahvel only to see that their opponent is the wazzler. In that moment the only reaction the person can muster is a solitary tear rolling down their cheek.

[@markcampbell8590]

Justin saw a new generation of people getting into the Marvel vs. Series and decided to continue the generational trauma of the franchise. He’s that much of a hater.

[@Samael767]

THEY'RE GONNA LEARN TODAY

[@Dracobyte]

Welcome to the real world!

[@RanmyakuIchi]

Imagine signing up for a Street Fighter 4 tourney and first match you get put up against Daigo. ... Right, Woolie?

[@Ourfairduke]

It's ok. Woolie will outfootsie him

[@DrClawizdead]

Daigo don't know about those full screen Blanka supers.

[@CrimePaint]

"Puttin' the FUN in refund"

[@seriousink]

Back in elementary school the local chess club met in the gym and I decided chess seemed fun so I signed up. The very first opponent they put me against, I don't remember his name but he was slavic and he spent the whole game largely ignoring me, not really even looking at the board, and talking to a friend of his. He beat me in like, 7 moves. Later on after a big tournament they had a picture of him holding the giant grand winner trophy. Wazzled at age 10.

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

Fighting Games never losing the reputation of invinting new people to their games just to kick them out right after.

[@luizferrarezzi]

its like being mad at tony hawk being too good. its just a match with the best player in the world its not a big deal

[@RDV333]

@@luizferrarezzi Modern consumers are just such losers, they just can't seem to understand this. It's like complaining about basketball not being good because Michael Jordan is better than you.

[@sharkhammr]

​@@luizferrarezzitrue, but tony hawk showing up to an amateur tournament disguised as "Hony Tawk" and proceeding to style all over the newbies seems a bit excessive.

[@KingHydros-pu1el]

​@@sharkhammrfuck my brain is beyond saving I thought I saw Hawk Tuah

[@thecaptain6520]

​@@KingHydros-pu1el Hawk Tuah's Procreator

[@toddvogel8887]

J Wong just proving the points of everyone who doesn't like fighting games.

[@verymelonman12]

The matching should have been fixed prior to this, but I do enjoy the Justin Wong memes

[@waidixon8965]

I think gatekeeping may not be inherently bad, but the dynamic of how fighting games are played has changed compared to like 20 years ago. Most fighting game stuff were happening in an Arcade or on the couch before the 2000s. Now it's mostly online. If gatekeeping is the "negative" side of expectation check, to make sure people accepts loses, today's online centered fighting experience lacks the "positive" side of losing, being able to have a (or several) buddy beside you to both talk to and encourage each other after each lost. Hell you don't even get to say "oh shit how'd you do that?" to the pro that's beating you up. Online matches has zero chance of befriending the opponent, or even humanizing the opponent, so the pros out there are just pure frustration and agony to your mind, which certainly doesn't help you accept losing.

[@Graysett]

Every time I've ever DM'd someone that beat my ass in a fighting game asking for what I did wrong they gave me useful feedback, so I'm not sure I can agree with this.

[@waidixon8965]

@@Graysett Idk about that man. DMing someone online is quite a gamble in my experience.

[@sdbzfan1]

​@@Graysett you uave to willingly do that Someone who's just trying to play a game isnt trying to do all of that But in a physical setting its super natural to go good game hey that was sick after a match because you can just say it rather than send a message

[@music79075]

Nobody I ever asked in the arcades ever told me anything other than "don't suck" or "kill yourself"

[@DeepestDankest]

But at the same time you have loads and loads of resources, guides, and videos telling you how to do stuff.

[@Kumo-s6f]

JWong really out here paralyzing the newbies with his raw killing intent like Orochimaru vs. Team 7.

[@crawlingboy]

Messatsu the Child

[@1Kendles]

When you think your ready to join a PVP server after sitting in PVE

[@kevinmendez9126]

I think this is hilarious but I also don't care about fighting games. It makes me wonder though if Woolie and others ever thinks back to moments like these when they wonder why fighting games aren't more popular and think about what specifically drives people away or stops them from coming back.

[@god47398]

its ironic that fighting games are all about reflecting on what you did wrong yet the fans of those games are always baffled when they curbstomp new players and shut down any ability to play the game and the new players leave for a shooter or moba.

[@chompompcharly]

I think that sometimes, people can make sweeping value judgments on new folks having very normal reactions to miserable matches. It's one thing to lose a close fight, but another to be beaten so bad you basically didn't even get a chance to make a mistake other than trying to play. Matches like that do happen to everyone, and when they do you could either share your own experience of being totally demolished with that person and show them how it's still gonna be fine, or you could ridicule them, calling them weak-willed for not having years of experience and community already built up. All these people aren't lazy, or just want "easy wins" they just wanted to play. People do play hard games but typically, they're able to at least do something before the hammer comes down. I don't even blame Justin necessarily, the matchmaking wasn't ready, but this is the kind of thing that makes you put the game down for at least a little while. "gates/walls" forming naturally in a scene like this is fine, when people can see them from far away and work their way to them, but not when you open the door and see the gate being constructed right in front of you.

[@SophistictaedDevil]

Remember, guys: Playing Fighting Games as your preferred genre, guarantees your later years spent as a spite filled 30-40 year old, bullying children in a game thats older than the opponents youre playing against.

[@god47398]

Woolie: Why aren't Fighting Games as popular as shooters or MOBAs? Also Woolie:

[@marpj6138]

So we can say to the kids "Welcome to the real world", I'm in

[@keeganseck7751]

For the past week I've been hearing rumblings of this new boogeyman that's got seasoned players scared... but it was just J Wong this whole time?!

[@AlriikRidesAgain]

You go in expecting Zant and it turns out it was just Ganondorf the whole time.

[@Adser261]

I find it funny that his conversation comes a couple of weeks after the MOBA one. The main difficulty of a MOBA game is not on the gameplay itself, it is the literal decades of experience the playerbase has that increases the skill floor so much it is impossible for newcomers to overcome. Pat and Woolie just felt the experience of being in the newcomer seat and they felt threatened and overwhelmed and talked about how bad that is. And then comes a fighting game and their reaction is "lol get bodied, you'd better learn from that".

[@dwelfking8050]

If you explained this exact dichotomy to Woollie "Get into fighting games" Madden he might understand.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

It’s almost like getting started with something is hard and blaming the people who are good at it because you’re not is a fucking scrub mentality. Do you expect Justin to just never play fighting games casually again because he’s so good at them lmao

[@LkMrcndz]

@@Adser261 It's just a bit of Schadenfreude, it's not that deep

[@TheAmberFang]

The main advantage MOBAs have always had over fighting games is the team aspect. There's a natural avenue for a more experienced player to introduce friends and show them the ropes so they can play as a team. Fighting games had this back in the arcade days where people actually gathered and made the "community" part of the FGC. In the online era, ranked matchmaking lacks that crucial social component

[@waidixon8965]

Justin's great at doing the "Nah kid" part of the dynamic by demolishing the kids, but there's no one actually saying the "Welcome to the community!" part of the line because You Lose is the only thing popping up at the end of an online match. Posting clips that's going to get less than a dozen views for the average joe, just aren't the same as having a/couple of friends hyping each other on the couch or in Arcades. I think that's the part fighting games or its community need to focus on providing an alternative. The bottleneck to getting more people into fighting games today's online centric environment will likely be how to promote the positive side of losing.

[@Szriko]

positive side? lol if you lose, you're a loser. get good.

[@ColdNorth0628]

​@@Szrikowhat a shitty attitude. There is a positive side to losing. Learning. The journey to get better. Etc

[@crawlingboy]

​@@ColdNorth0628 hell yeah brother!

[@gwen9939]

@@Szriko Get ratio'ed loser. 100% you're just the average ranked goblin who teabags every time he loses while pretending he's better than you but in reality has the worst neutral you've ever seen.

[@maiqtheliar1823]

This is the equivalent of a kid having their first pro boxing match and fighting prime Mike Tyson

[@adamruiz3683]

I look at the news of Justin Wong treating MvC2's launch weekend like it's the fucking Purge, and I just think back to all the discussions this podcast has had of "Why aren't fighting games more popular, how do we get more new people into fighting games?" This is why.

[@NoName-lk8ij]

Does MvC2 have a ranked mode? Because from what I'm hearing, J.Wong is playing against players that shouldn't be matched up to him. Even if it's launch time and everyone is even rank for now, J.Wong would just sky rocket to the higher tiers and everyone else would be safe from the WAZZLER.

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

I'm kinda convinced that whenever the question comes up, it's actually just a really elaborate social experiment

[@throwdown1776]

Trial by fire

[@RDV333]

Because the average consumer is a bitch that can't deal with the fact that the best player of all time of MVC2 can wash them?

[@Kaarl_Mills]

100% How am I expected to have fun when someone thats been playing this game obsessively for the last 25 years can get matched with me, a person who's only real experience with the genre is casual games of Smash?

[@kyuboxincubox7556]

"People need to know about the gap and that its insurmountable" dang I wonder why fighting games will never be mainstream

[@EsperHubb]

It's always been mainstream, the problem is people joining ranked matches thinking it's free points.

[@kyuboxincubox7556]

@@EsperHubb if fighting games are mainstream, why are there so many discord fighters? Why are people always bemoaning the fact that the player counts drops by 90% in 10 days? Like yeah sure, I guess fighting games aren't as niche as some eastern european jank rpg or whatever but its noooooot mainstream. Be real guy, come on.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

@@kyuboxincubox7556SF6 and Tekken 8 were in the top 25 sold games last month lmao

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

⁠@@kyuboxincubox7556There are so many discord fighters because old games have shitty netcode and bare bones multiplayer functionality, it has nothing to do with popularity of the genre as a whole. The only way I can play Third Strike right now is Fightcade because the most recent official release didn’t have rollback, but that didn’t stop it from being the most popular arcade machine at the gaming convention I went to last month lol

[@thelaughingrouge]

Justin out here like the "Majima everywhere system".

[@imjustdandy9799]

Every 5 minutes, someone is wazzled

[@StoneEagle194]

Eventually everyone will get Wazzled

[@thecaptain6520]

The FGC has never heard the term "sore winner"

[@ColdNorth0628]

They are too busy thinking "lol get good"

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

It’s more that we understand we’re gonna lose while we try to improve so there’s no point in being a little bitch about it. If you get stomped you get stomped, that happens to literally every single person that plays fighting games, even professionals lmao Refund the game if you want, there’s no shame in not being able to get in, but you can’t act like this is somehow an FGC problem when the nature of skill based games means that the less experienced player is going to lose. That’s just how competition works.

[@lightheartedsol8281]

Thank you for warning us casuals to forever avoid fighting games if we want to have fun.

[@SockMasterFloe]

I play video games to have fun, not to jerk myself off about how bad the situation I choose to be in is. I'll save my money.

[@JameboHayabusa]

It's just one loss against one old fat man. Quit the victim complex. There's thousands of other fights to be had

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

It’s almost like it’s a competitive genre lol

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Justin Wong graduated from Dracule Mihawk school of bullying newbies.

[@crawlingboy]

He needs mire exp to level up

[@LkMrcndz]

@@NotAGoodUsername360 "This is the smallest knife I have." And it's the guy playing Dan.

[@theycallmejojo6090]

To be fair, the first step in learning a fighting game is getting your teeth kicked in. The Wazzler is just that in its purest form.

[@maxspecs]

Casually messatsu child.

[@chriswest6988]

I do wonder if there's really much difference between how bad a new player loses to the guy who won evo's mvc2 tournament multiple times and how bad they lose to any guy who went 2-2 drop in one of those same tournaments.

[@crawlingboy]

Pretty much, you cannot win them all so you must power through

[@Thorn16]

"I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and BE BROKEN" -Justin Wong, probably

[@kyuboxincubox7556]

"I wonder why fighting games aren't mainstream?" people ask as 25 year old veterans go online and get easy content by beating up people who are picking up for the first time.

[@garymcginnis8511]

Its being greatly exaggerated for the meme, and mostly people are enjoying getting wazzled. At least on switch as a total newb ive gotten plenty of similar tier scrubs and have had a blast growing and occassionally getting beat by someone who plays every character. Different skill levels is appealing to see in action, for me

[@gwen9939]

It's definitely exaggerated. A loss against the Wazzler is over before you can blink and you're back to rolling the roulette on getting anyone but him. It's also this unique 1 very old game that a very few people have been playing for 20 years, whereas a lot of other games have ranked systems that pair you against similar skilled players. Even the less mainstream titles with functional online like BB, UNI, Skullgirls, etc., you aren't exactly getting bodied for someone's content on the other end, it's just that the community and playerbase are so small that if you really want to learn the game you probably need to reach out to a discord rather than relying on the in-game matchmaking.

[@kyuboxincubox7556]

@@gwen9939 It's never just "this one game" though. The simple fact of the matter is that its impossible to catch up to someone with years of experience in fighting games in general. Because fighting games is a niche genre you're mostly going up against people with years of experience. Let's think of it this way. Say I'm new to fighting games. Everyone else has been basically been playing fighting games since SF2 was in arcades, so more than 20 years of playing fighting games, understanding invisible fundamentals like footsies, getting the muscle memory for common inputs, and so on. How long would it take for me to get to a point where I could actually be equal to them? One week? Two weeks? A month? A year? 2 years? Is anyone who is CONSTANTLY losing and getting touch of death'd going to be playing that long? Discord fighters are even worse because they're even nicher and filled with people who just grind this one game out for years and do nothing else.

[@marpj6138]

TBF JWong is doing the same with other 20 years veterans. With that said old fighting games (I say pre-2010 more or less) did have a way higher skill ceiling on execution without any handhold - and that do make it way harder to pick them for newer players. For that new games are way better gateway, with SF6 being just amazing in all senses, Tekken having a great entry and Fatal Fury about to release something that is shapping to be just as awelsome

[@Xhog0]

I really do hope Justin Wong doesn’t singlehandedly cause a new Marvel VS game to not happen because of the drop in player numbers. That would really suck.

[@MrsAikahime]

To me the issue is that getting beat up by JWong in MvC doesn't teach you anything other than "you're gonna get bodied". Getting dunked on in MvC is so one-sided that if you don't already know how to defend against the insane mixups , zoning, etc. then you really may as well just put the controller down until the match is over (which some people have done)

[@omarforde8991]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby 2 Infinite babies

[@Dracobyte]

New Age of Gamers.

[@01Zipang]

"oh man I can't wait to play CVS 2 online with the remaster! I never played it before!" "woah my first opponent is using blanka. Strange choice but I've faced blanka in other games before!"

[@RedThebaron97]

whole situation is the logical outcome of that video of jwong teaching a kid about real mortal kombat, he is too powerful

[@zcairstrike]

I can see the video from a month back about how having no SBMM sucks ass and kills player retention in the side bar.

[@TheRandomLetsplays]

Justin Wong is literally the South Park World of Warcraft guy. He's going around defeating everyone on the server and now the creators of the game can't even stop him.

[@Skarlet_Sun]

Honestly this is why I didn't bother getting the collection. I love getting new fighting games at launch and learning along with everyone else. But for this, we all knew the decade long veterans would take over from day 1, and they'll always have that tremendous advantage no matter how much time I invest in it myself. The simple truth is this game is for them, not newcomers like me 🤷‍♂️

[@LkMrcndz]

@@Skarlet_Sun That's not entirely true. Newbies hop on Fightcade all the time and get better, and that's where all the sharks hang. Sure is a trial by fire going like that but there's also always a Discord with a New Players Room to dip your toes in.

[@CrimsonMoonM]

The matchmaking has been patched recently, so you can find players of comparable skills to your own pretty quickly. The worst of it is if you get matched against a veteran who's still climbing the ranks, but they won't stay there and you'll be ready to face them by the time you reach their final rank yourself. Not jumping on while there's a surge of interest just ensures that you'll lose your one chance to comfortably enter the scene, though, the delayed physical release does at least guarrantee a second spike in the online playerbase once it's released. I'm playing a low-tier team, and, while I have some legacy knowledge and have done my homework in terms of employing 50/50 mixups, resets and the like, I also go out of my way to avoid infinites, yet I've been having a very comfortable time in Ranked, so I'd say this as good a time as one can hope for for beginners.

[@MrMillionDub]

I know the FGC is gonna be how it's gonna be, but I don't think a lot of people realize that alienating potential newcomers from a thing that you want to stay relevant is one of the worst strategies possible. I mean, if someone wants improve because they keep getting their ass whooped, and the only feedback they're getting is "git gud", "skill issue", or "u gon learn today" without any instructions on specifically how, that's just gonna demotivate them from playing, which reduces player count, which reduces product visibility, which reduces the likelihood that the product you want to keep in the spotlight will stay there.

[@Uncledoodsauce]

sounds like a skill issue. their fault they weren't born in 1990 😎

[@gwen9939]

You probably should engage actively with the FGC to learn how things actually are outside the 1 or 2 viral clips of Justin being Justin. I mean, even going onto his stream at any point after MvC2 has been out he's answering questions from newcomers. People in the FGC are gonna read accusatory remarks like this that assume they understand how things actually function and respond sarcastically with a "git gud" because it isn't really fair to bring those accusations without actually having any proof that this is a community problem. But if you knew what are out there of community wikis and completely free resources made by people for audiences of hundreds in their spare time for no money you wouldn't have the impression that the FGC is unwelcome to new players. There's so many resources for new players now, and always a welcoming attitude if you're like "Hey, I'm here to learn the game for real". But you can't jump online and expect to win as a new player. you're gonna lose 98% of your matches and if you can't deal with that up front it's gonna be tougher when you have 1000s of hours in and still losing 50% of them.

[@randomstring1234]

Imagine deciding to learn how to play baseball and running into Babe Ruth at a rec league game.

[@TheLucidChiba]

"Why oh why don't people want to get in to fighting games?!" Person cheering on random players being ground to dust by a pro, several in their reviews saying they're returning the game now.

[@names7278]

It's an annoying problem because having more people in your hobby is cool, but there's just something so much funnier about something like "getting wazzled" with matchmaking that pits someone who might have just picked up their first fighting game against a guy who very well may have been playing for as long as they've been alive.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

@@TheLucidChiba Good riddance to all the quitters and whiners lmao

[@god47398]

​@@wselfwulfwulf9746those people are the only reason fighting games exist.

[@link4585]

This conversation is the best reason to not try out fighting games. Yea im going to play against my friends and yea sure we have that ine friend thats going to beat us all but lose to a high ranked player. I wouldnt want to plwy against those people because of how fucking boring the game will be. I shouldnt lose a game over a frame misinput.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

You didn’t lose over a misinput, you lost because you’re not as good as the person you’re playing against. It takes more than 1 frame of a match to determine the outcome man lol You have to put time in to be good and if you’re not willing to do that then no shit you’re gonna lose

[@voltekka47]

"lose over a frame misinput" I'll be real with you, you're nowhere near good enough for something as miniscule as that to make you lose.

[@god47398]

​or the game is imperfect and ppl who have been playing it for decades know how to exploit it. or its flawed and has zero defensive options. or, yknow, the game is perfectly balanced and everyone just needs to get better, cuz everyone knows that becoming world-class at something means having fun, right?

[@Biodeamon]

Spartan tactics of leaving a baby on a hill and if it doesn't understand the meta it dies

[@SirSteaven93]

If I saw the Wazzler, I would just disconnect and take the penalty lmao.

[@gorimbaud]

nah, i'd rather watch how hard i'm taking this l

[@300IQPrower]

since the dawn of time, FGC has been asking "Why do we struggle to attract new players?" as they crush the skulls and spit in the faces of anyone who wants single player content or a control scheme that isnt stupid

[@nachohangover5104]

And shit on the playerbase of the fighting game with by far the largest casual audience.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

When have you ever seen the FGC shit on single player content lmao

[@nachohangover5104]

@@wselfwulfwulf9746 I've seen people complain that they don't want singleplayer content since they think it takes resources from multiplayer. But it's only ever been like a couple people I've seen say that, so it's definitely not a popular opinion.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

@@nachohangover5104 If you're referring to the stuff like the SF6 avatar content then that's a totally reasonable opinion to have because the single player stuff is ugly as sin and completely pointless lol, but World Tour was one of the major drawing points to the game for a lot of people and even long-standing FGC members loved it. Hell, one of MK's primary selling points is its story mode.

[@nachohangover5104]

@@wselfwulfwulf9746 No, I mean literally any and all single player stuff. Like I said, only like two guys ever but it's such a bizarre take.

[@skarlock5257]

1991, Street Fighter 2 : You must defeat Shen Long to stand a chance. 2024, MvC 2 : You must defeat Justin Wong to stand a chance. The more things change, the more things stay the same.

[@SirBoopBoop]

'Lil Bussy Man' and 'The Wazzler' are out here being the FGC embodiments of 'The Gate Guardian' from Samurai Jack. The Gate Guardian being a guardian of a time portal back to the past and one of the very few enemies Jack ever faced that he actually lost to in the entire series. The Gate Guardian beat Jack's f*ckin' ass decisively and Jack barely made him get just a little bit serious.

[@bleack8701]

Wazzler: (Don't) Get into Fighting Games. But honestly, this is why people don't get into fighting games and matchmaking should prevent this trash "Hi, I'm new" shouldn't be playing "Potentially the best in the world". That's definitely worth a refund.

[@cybergeek11235]

I'll be honest, this sort of behavior from arguably the best MvC2er on the planet, is not really a huge incentive to get into the game.

[@rearedlogarithm]

I like to think that Justin coaching Dokibird in SF6 inspired him to wazzle everyone.

[@jackmurray7135]

The Wazzler... these people gettin their ass beat by a Dr. Seuss character

[@e69alpha]

All the fightcade gladiators and Marvel gods are out taking ass and kicking nsmes. A wolverine put me in a 20 second block stun loop in msh

[@yukaiyami]

The first time I ever heard about JWong was with the phrase “putting the FUN in REFUND”, and I think about that often.

[@bishopspechulure9821]

The memes are funny and all, but what pat said about new players needing to effectively have their face shoved into the dirt, that mentality is the reason why wooly has to occasionally look around in utter confusion and repeat the phrase "why don't people play fighting games". There's a difference between just playing your best to have fun, and doing so while mocking and celebrating how trash your opponents are because you sweated at a game for twenty years before they ever touched it. There's a reason why people outside the fighting game community think fighting game players are toxic

[@Ourfairduke]

We only mock people who are bad losers including our own (see perfect legend). If a new guy comes in humble and takes L's like a champ then most of the fgc (outside a few toxic outliers) will welcome you with open arms

[@god47398]

​@@Ourfairdukeand what about this entire 8 minute video where woolie laughs at players unable to fight a match because there is no defensive option that will allow them to play the game normally, especially if theyve never played a fighting game before? would you call that mocking bad losers?

[@Ourfairduke]

@@god47398 Define playing the game normally.

[@a.gravemistake3061]

This is like the opposite of Let Me Solo Her

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

Watch Me Solo You?

[@odizm5196]

Justin Wong is back home and he become the filter

[@Biodeamon]

Patt's dark heart for seeing kids get beat is because of how dark Patt's own childhood was growing up with his brutal mom. Its basically his villain fruedian excuse backstory.

[@DeMinoTheDragon]

I mean sure I get the memes but this like exactly why people don't get into fighting games, especially older ones

[@Rasamune]

Well, what’re you gonna do? You can’t tell JWong he can’t play just because he’s too good, and the release is too new for the ladder to have shaken out properly

[@FoolsGil]

True. But for the ones who are going to pick their teeth up their teeth off the floor and jump back in, they're the real ones. Fighting Games birth Fighters, and not even the Wazzler can break a Fighter's spirit, if you won't let him.

[@ukyoize]

​@@Rasamuneif you defeat X players in a row then you deal less damage and start randomly tripping.

[@thecaptain6520]

​@@FoolsGil "fighting games birth fighters" Cringe

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

Because they're pussies? So you went on a losing streak, big deal lmao

[@Raidanzoup]

I think the first time I heard the word English word gatekeeper outside of just, idk, an actual gate guard in Dynasty Warriors 2, it was when I read on twitter that people showed up to play at Super Arcade for the spot to qualify for SBO, even though they weren't planning on flying out to Japan due to prior commitments.

[@Meitti]

Excited kids seeing all their favorite superheroes in a cool game with tons of characters, then the online matches quickly teach them 97% of the roster is unplayable trash.

[@SantiagoAgnes]

Professional / Competitive players ruining games for everyone else, more are 11.

[@halfmasks]

wdym im sitting here like Pat and Woolie with glee in my chest.

[@AirLancer]

Oh no, someone lost in a game! What a tragedy... What do you expect to happen when people play in ranked mode on Day 1 in a legacy game? It'd be like not playing basketball because you got schooled by Lebron in a 1v1.

[@Assasin2]

Stop making excuses for why you don’t wanna play fighting games. I understand the frustration of going up against someone with a much higher skill level, but what the fuck do you expect? If you aren’t willing to suck it up and put in the effort to learn and get better nothing is gonna change

[@nahman3836]

Lotta salt here for a simple joke

[@thecaptain6520]

​@nahman3836 that's the problem with pro gamers, they take beeps and boops on a screen *WAY* too seriously

[@aztekhblack7363]

If I might add a 40K analogy, this is like a Khorne Berserker squad clearing an area of enemies only to turn around and see Kharn the Betrayer looking at you all with hungry eyes.😮

[@Crazak53]

Thinking about how Woolie and Pat make fun of Call of Duty streamers for doing this exact same thing

[@JorgenVonStein]

They built Justin a house, and he livin in it rent free, while renting out the minds of the plebs on Air B&B.

[@dullroar2673]

JWong being THE MVC2 player is retribution for the Daigo Parry being the most iconic fgc clip

[@destroyersf8]

50 yr old me installing it out of nostalgia years after Dreamcast all of a sudden encounters The Wazzler: YOU GONNA LEARN!!! ☠️ Pawns my PS5…

[@johnnysalery7383]

*_WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!_* - Justin Wong, The Wazzler

[@Axonn1018]

The Jazz-Plinking Wazzler.

[@roadhoundd.]

“The work is done, it always is.”

[@SilencedBTM]

Woolie likes boxing, would he be this hype if Mike Tyson showed up at his gym?

[@ElvenSonic]

I mean mike tyson has some baggage for sure, but tbh if I was in any competitive sport and “The Best Player” showed up for some games, fuck. that’s a once in a life time opportunity that sounds awesome.

[@SilencedBTM]

@@ElvenSonic Yes, I'm sure for most average folks getting punched by Mike Tyson would be a once in a lifetime experience. 😂

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

@@SilencedBTM”once in a lifetime” because most average folks would die after getting punched by Tyson once.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

@@SilencedBTM Dude I'd absolutely let Mike Tyson gut punch me just so I could tell people Mike Tyson gut punched me lmao

[@ColdNorth0628]

​@@ElvenSoniclets rephrase. You are a newbie and suddenly you are set up with someone 2x your weight class and he is in his peak. He bodies you and everyone laughs at the fact that you thought you could win.

[@LiggyMustard]

Justin Wong is an entire ecosystem

[@AutumnApproaches]

He had to do it to 'em He had to give 'em the Ol' Wazzle Dazzle

[@mgskomododragon10]

My dad played World of Tanks a while ago and one time when he died he walked away from his computer so he could tell my mom "I just got blew up by 'NoTimeToPee'" and we couldnt stop laughing

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

and fighting game (and titanfall oddly enough) fans wonder why their favorite game is dying or dead every single time this happens.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

SF6 was in the top 25 games sold last month. Fighting games are doing just fine without the quitters and whiners lol

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

@@wselfwulfwulf9746 Okay but thats a recent game thats not relevant to what I was saying at all.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

@@GameBooAdvancePlus No shit it's a recent game, do you somehow think that contemporary games being more popular than old titles is a phenomena unique to fighting games? When was the last time you heard someone talk about playing Counter Strike source? If anything it shows that the FGC is far healthier than other competitive scenes because I know people who still play KoF 2000, I don't know fuckin anybody who still plays Bad Company 2 despite how good that game was lol

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

@@wselfwulfwulf9746 Since I have to spell it out for you and you haven't watched the video: Specifically refering to the phenomena where an older fighting game or titanfall gains a surge of popularity for one reason or another and fans immediately say "Oh boy time to log on and bully the fuck out of new players haha hehe" and when their game dies again in less than a week ask where the new players went and begin a new cycle of lamenting that no one plays their game anymore. Its a literally a reaping sowing situation and I'm just pointing it out.

[@JackgarPrime]

"You're gonna learn today!"

[@Dracobyte]

Welcome to the real world.

[@kaleidoslug7777]

*"GET OFF THE STICKS!"*

[@Oliander712]

Keep fighting games alive though right?

[@LordRaptor]

Justin's Colossus, Hulk, Juggernaut team was inspirational, no, literally, I picked up that team and wreaked havok on the new players, it's now my main team.

[@DrClawizdead]

The Wazzler has been his Steam id for a while and he just used that instead of JWong for whatever reason. I never asked him why.

[@TheRogueWolf]

So why did Justin do this? Did he legitimately think he was teaching other players to get better? Or was he just stomping on opponents who he knew were absolutely no challenge to him?

[@Mio1570]

He was probably just playing normally and when he found that he was unequivocally better then almost everyone else started feeling himself and feeding the memes about it.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

He was just playing the game dude lmao. It’s genuinely sad that you people are judging him morally for being good at and beating people in a video game.

[@DocBlue005]

​@wselfwulfwulf9746 nah nah my dude. when you beat a little kid to a pulp knowing he's not a threat, there's something wrong with you

[@furyberserk]

"I was beaten by Daigo and became famous from evo moment "ruined my life" so I started my villain arc when "mahvel" got released with online play." Justin is truly the main character in this anime.

[@fien111]

Like going to the court for a pick-up game only to see Jordan from 1998 lacing up

[@jediCaboose96]

Justin's Infinite Domain is the EVO main stage

[@n0refuge]

Some guy called the Wazzler....

[@StanNotSoSaint]

Hit 'em with the good ol' Wazzle dazzle!

[@LessDevoid]

This shit is exactly why people aren't getting into, or actively getting out of, fighting games.

[@wselfwulfwulf9746]

Because they can't handle losing?

[@ColdNorth0628]

​@@wselfwulfwulf9746because getting blown out is not what people sign up for.

[@teecee1827]

​@@wselfwulfwulf9746difference between losing and getting pitted against the top player of the game in your first matches so you get so buried you can't possibly learn anything .

[@LkMrcndz]

​@@teecee1827So just move on and fight someone else? A person will only get beat in 2 minutes tops anyways, a typical casual player isn't made of wet paper, they'd just dust themselves off and move on.

[@katsasgeorge]

Ummm . . . what exactly did they think was gonna happen ? People have been playing this game since the 00s. Like, in what plane of thought did consumers think that they are gonna go online and start winning on day one ?

[@vahalo2886]

Wazzler cooking these fools like '97 Goldberg is peak

[@DiscoBolante]

JAAAY-WOOONG JAAAY-WOOONG JAAAY-WOOONG

[@anibarukyouran1145]

Justin Wong at the entrance of Marvel VS Capcom (or any fighting game) is like that scene in Hunter X hunter where Isoka sits at the entrance of the upper levels in heavens arena, just his mere presence makes you feel like naked in the snow.