The Weirdest Deer Year w/ Ben Rising | HUNTR Podcast

[@natemihlbachler3511]

I think there are dedicated hunters who have great success because they are in great areas. A great hunter will struggle when the area isnt as great or the deer just aren't there. I think we are seeing that with Winke now.

[@Masonjar94]

@@natemihlbachler3511 winke is letting deer walk on his farm most people would dream of.

[@Paulannear]

See I disagree with the whole "why keep shooting 2.5- or 3.5-year-olds just to fill a tag" remarks. Some of us have a plethora of time to hunt and view hunting as a business, because it is for guys like you and Ben, and have outside expectations from your viewers to keep shooting the next class of bucks. So, while you guys cannot fathom shooting 3.5-year-olds year after year and wonder how a basement full of 3.5 year olds could ever be enjoyable....remember though, some guys just wanna shoot deer man. And they work damn hard to kill 3.5-year-olds and maybe it takes 10-12 days to do so each year...and then they are out of time and need to return home to their families. For some guys, a 3.5-year-old is still a great challenge. And, some guys and gals don't have the time to search for more land, lease new land, or buy...they hunt their dad's 40 or grandmas 80 for a six to seven days a year and that is the extent of their hunting because they want to stay married...just sayin'. We have to stop the bereding of guys and gals who still just want to fill their tags. Who cares, honestly. Rant over, still respect and love the pod.

[@Masonjar94]

@@Paulannear let’s not act like 3.5 year old whitetails are hard to kill….

[@Paulannear]

@ haha, try telling that to people in the far reaches of northern Minnesota or Wisconsin. Thousands of bow hunters are jealous of your hunting situation and it sounds like you take yours for granted. If you’re killing a top 10-15% buck roaming your land every year, you’re doing something right, whether the top bucks are 1.5 year olds or 4.5 year olds. Good luck

[@strechinpick]

Our family farm in Meigs County had so many deer this year. I saw 20-30 deer every day. Tagged out with a nice 8 point the week prior. Our family has lease farmed the last decade and I’ve never seen more deer on the 200 acres in my life. I saw several other shooter bucks during gun season. It was great.

[@joelfradiska8029]

The adds are relentless smfh trying to listen to it at work and have to stop every 10 minutes to skip adds is such a pain in the ass! Cmon guys wtf

[@jeremycavaretta1035]

It’s like that every year in NY, just doesn’t accumulate as quickly as the last coupe weeks. Many years where we couldn’t even hunt because you couldn’t get down the roads unless we used our snowmobiles and have snow shoes on this time of the year.

[@BigCountry67]

Great episode. Ben is a very humble and knowledgeable guy. Great content.

[@leonmiller6200]

Great podcast. I live 30 minutes from Ben and 100%. I would agree. Let's only feed supplements and minerals in off season. No baiting in season.. it's completely ruining the hunting it's all about who has the biggest pile...

[@Buddystemz]

I’m glad I live in a state where piles are illegal. I’m sure if I grew up with it legal, I may have a different view but I couldn’t imagine hunting over a corn pile as my primary way to hunt.

[@native_landscapes]

How about just don’t feed wild animals at all? Manage the habitat

[@scrapboxracing539]

I try to listen to every episode. It’s awesome the information shared and just the amazing conversations that are had. I feel Ben when he said his biggest deer mistake. I’m Dakota from southern Illinois. I am now 29 but when I was 13 I killed a 21 point that appears to be 2-3. At the time it was awesome. Everyone around me and I felt on top of the world. As I’m older now and want to manage and kill mature deer, I just always wonder what could have been. It was an amazing experience and I wouldn’t take it back but he would have been a giant in years to come.

[@shawngreen7160]

What do u think the podcasts have done for hunting pressure and over populating the woods?

[@Mossy-back-blacktail]

Congratulations guys 50,000 subs

[@douglaslashuay]

By protecting the resource, you are merely referring to the availability of mature trophy bucks. There are no shortages of deer to hunt in Ohio, generally speaking. It's called deer season for a reason. With all due respect, there is a lot of double talk going on. Are you in it to kill deer, or are you in it to kill mature bucks? The state is not managing resource for the sake of the resource but merely for the sake of revenue. They won't change a thing unless it is negatively affecting revenue.

[@daveyboy8907]

The only ones complaining and not having any fun are the trophy hunters..It seems like thats the real problem.When you shoot a 160 and say you just made the biggest mistake of your life you know you are spoiled and have forgotten what hunting is all about.

[@toddstewart9437]

​@daveyboy8907 , not merely trophy hunters. They are multi-state trophy hunters. The disconnect they have is that the hunters that fail to evolve, as they see it, are regular folks that stay in their own state and take advantage of the opportunities there. And if J and J had their way , they would restrict the opportunity of the regular hunter to further their own investment. My suspicion is that even if they (j&j) got corn piles eliminated and crossbows minimized and antler restrictions and, etc., etc., they would still be unsatisfied.

[@T-Mak-s7x]

Great show. Your topics are very interesting. This guy & you 2 have great insight.

[@stephendoseck9709]

I'll gladly pay for deer tags as a landowner if it means there will be a draw for nonresidents and less outfitters/leases. Let's be honest, crossbows and baiting have always been legal (with quality bucks) but people haven't had access problems until the increase of nonresident hunting. In multiple podcasts, Jared and Jeremy even say Iowa has it figured out...

[@kentuckythunderoutdoors1846]

Where I live in Kentucky it’s total chaos! Land is outrageous and large farms are being parceled everywhere. Land is being targeted in my area and being advertised as hunting grounds regardless of setups. The crazy thing is it’s all being bought up and resales are even higher! The private land hunting is just like public now with ridiculous pressure and everyone hunts. There’s new challenges every season. New competition and rut tactics go out the window deer patterns are more odd every year.

[@chuck8586]

Listening to ben complain about various aspects of hunting today, just because its now hard for him to find big rack 5 year olds. Is kind of hilarious. And boy does it make him sound pretentious

[@capthollis]

Ben it’s tough everywhere , even in Texas , there is a definite management program , but it all boils down to money

[@danielallmon6845]

As long as that’s your mind set you will make excuses for failure.

[@chuck8586]

PA is doing amazing, and i only hunt public land here

[@rorynelson7548]

Ben, contact your local Conservation Officer about this stuff. Especially the yard light situation

[@inthewoods3237]

I’ll have to keep my eye out for Ben, he has to live very close to me!

[@archeryonly5629]

Killbuck

[@inthewoods3237]

@ okay, bout 12 miles away

[@jacobpatterson2032]

You kill bens booner this year? lol

[@inthewoods3237]

@@jacobpatterson2032 No but I got a 4 or 5 year old 164” 👌🏼 (2nd sit Oct. 27)

[@Justin-pq3rq]

@@archeryonly5629I was wondering. I live in uhrichsville

[@adamfrench5368]

I was not expecting Ben to say deer were hitting alfalfa in December. Does it stay green and not go dormant this late in year often or annually?

[@ItsAllGravy0123]

When did Lil Wyte start hunting?

[@tubesurfing]

Dude

[@shawngreen7160]

If your in the timber business you have an advantage to lease land

[@ItsAllGravy0123]

When I go fishing I use a stick a string and a hook. No worm, no bait. Idk why I don't ever catch any fish.

[@mikepoulson384]

I killed a big 4x2 in the same area we had a 2 and 1 year that matched. The same year

[@markedwards7602]

More does equals longer rut activity get 1 to 1 ratio and it might last a week

[@Masonjar94]

@@markedwards7602 that’s not exactly how it works

[@RobertCurtin-hi2cm]

It is a rich guys sport, I used to hunt 1500 acres on 3 different properties, now because of sales, leases and development I’m down to a neighbors 3 acre lot.

[@Buddystemz]

You got that right. 20 years ago I could damn near hunt my whole town. Now I’m down to a select few

[@chuck8586]

25:17 you should be thankful PA rifle season is quite these days. At least half of the mature buck we have each year are simply because there are less rifle hunters and more archery hunters

[@Ben_Allgood]

Compound bows changed whitetail hunting. Compound bows changed archery in general. They had to make new rules for archery competitions when people started using those. You can go to the store, pull a compound off the shelf, and be hitting bullseyes the same day. Look at whitetail hunting media and imagine if compounds weren't invented in the last 50-60 years. People that do "defensive" baiting with corn piles are still "corn pile hunters". They are using corn piles as a means to kill deer, even if they aren't sitting over them. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't affect deer movement to capitalize on.

[@krisk4370]

Baiting has killed woodsmanship and spots all over. Here in Virginia baiting is probably as bad as most states where its legal and its illegal here. So many people use it as an excuse to kill deer.

[@jon_because]

I'm broke but in Michigan I still make sure to afford my deer tags. Residents can't really afford a $20 tag c'mon. Learn to process ur own deer, get 3 for $60 and u save $200 on buying beef for the year.

[@wb8o5-j6e]

Ohio needs a minimum acreage for deer hunting. Too many 1/2 - 1 acre lots with corn piles. A fair amount of people shoot deer and trespass onto neighboring land owners to recover the deer. The odds of the deer actually dying on those small lots are slim.

[@JimBowSlice]

If ohio land owners dont require a tag is there a bag limit for them?

[@StrapAssassin11]

Yes, up to 6 deer over multiple counties but only 1 buck statewide

[@JimBowSlice]

​@@StrapAssassin11 on their own property it's still 6 deer?

[@StrapAssassin11]

@@JimBowSlice no certain counties you can kill up to 3 deer, then u would have to go to another county(s) if you wanted to kill additional deer. Again only 1 buck total

[@chrisking9424]

One of the biggest problems with the increased hunting pressure in all states anymore is to many guys aren't happy with killing just one booner or just one nice mature buck in their home state. If they aren't killing multiple bucks in multiple states their complaining and fail to realize they should be putting the blame squarely on their own shoulders. Limit everybody to one nonresident state a year and you would alleviate a lot of problems. Social media is the root cause for all these problems!

[@rorynelson7548]

I was successful, but i agree it was a very strange year

[@Scott_Limer24]

I'll see your opinion on the Ohio DNR and raise you the West Virginia DNR. The WVDNR cannot get out of its own way.

[@habakabee]

Kaufman reality in Ohio is ruining hunting one property at a time . Just saw a 175 acre parcel by me 10 parcels .. ridiculous

[@waynemayle865]

Mossy oak in my area of ohio there doing the same thing

[@inthewoods3237]

It’s usually also up to the seller how it’s done, plus with the ridiculous prices who’s going to buy 175 in 1 piece?

[@habakabee]

@@inthewoods3237 I know . None of it’s right . There are many many variables driving up the prices . But splitting up parcels is not good for the future of anything . That alone is much worse then crossbows and corn itself . You take a 175 acre farm that say 5 people hunt just for a number . And sell it into 10 parcels now you have 20 guys hunting those 10 parcels . The resource can’t abstain that long term . Might not seem like a huge problem now. But it will be

[@inthewoods3237]

@ totally agree with that, back in the day we used to have deer drives, and just pull off the road in any random field and call fox, now there’s houses in bout all of them. Luckily I was blessed to get 50 acres back in 90, could absolutely never afford it now! Personally they can shove their hate for corn and crossbows, actually shows their ignorance.

[@waynemayle865]

@inthewoods3237 I haven't called fox since the late 80s miss those day's fur prices were good back then. Deer hunting will never be what it once was that's for sure

[@jfreak7589]

I didn't even post it right away. I waited until the next day...........ok Buddy what did that prove?

[@rance56]

Here’s the deal, at this point even if they banned baiting I think most folks would still continue to do it

[@JimBowSlice]

They banned bait in the lower peninsula of Michigan about 5 or 6 years ago. There is way less baiting now but it still happens.

[@Masonjar94]

@@rance56 drones and ticket books

[@chuck8586]

37:33 boohoo ben 😂😂

[@martymiller6565]

Right lol. First class problems lol

[@garretts1604]

Just curious where both of you (Jared & Jeremy) are with the resident complaints rgearding out of state hunters here in Ohio? Per my own efforts and what you've shared regarding your properties, we are the non-resident folks paying for the licenses, improving habitat and not hastefully filling buck tags....where as our neighbors are the reciprocal of that. Seems like many Ohians suck at math and data comprehension. I love the state, am excited to move there....but its getting more of a northeastern than midwestern feel with regard to deer quality (and politics, etc) every year from finger pointing residents. Nothing will change Ohio deer hunting faster than removing corn piles from the equation. Outfitters dont plot and cannot manage crazy acreage and are reliant on corn. The un-invested homeowner with a corn pile in the back yard hasnt been hunting. Lots of in-vacuum brats, or easy button bottom feeders (and likely the reason NR hunters get the hate they do). Check out the outfitter Two Creeks in Athens.....there is your poster child for everything going wrong with hunting in this state.

[@garretts1604]

Two more additions for consideration- The previous (2021 & 2022) hits of EHD had a drop in age by the mandatory tag fillers. We had an atypically large mast drop last year. We have had two years of record level (including a 150yr worst) drought. Future concern- a 20% increase in the gun harvest for this yr (24) The above will obviously change deer presence and movement....but am starting to believe many have reduced their trophy age to 3.5yo and what we view is strange is actually derived from a lack of mature bucks where they used to be.

[@Ripnterps]

This is a genuine question from someone who just started hunting a few years ago with small property’s with 5 acres being my biggest. If baiting tops your food plots, why in the world do you not use bait piles? And if you do use bait piles please stop whining. It seems people want to feel a since of superiority in the hunting world by not taking the “easy” route. I never understood why people call hunting a sport, I’m hunting for meat in my freezer and if by chance one of the biggins step out of course I’d be ecstatic. Crossbow, compound, recurve or gun you have to get in the woods and have a deer step in front of you. Buddy seems to just be upset that hunting is more accessible to the average person because of crossbows😂 Have you guys not seen all the absolute giants posted on trophy bucks of Ohio? Doesn’t seem to me that the baiting and crossbows has hurt the “age range of the deer”

[@markedwards7602]

It's a disease in the ground that causes messed up racks just ask Bronson Strickland

[@zachniverson8816]

They made a season here in Indiana with a dumbass quota of 250 and they can only be trapped. Theres been an uproar of anti hunters protesting. Its ridiculous. I seen a bobcat 50% of my sits on one farm this year. They're everywhere. And until bobcats start attacking children or pets they wont change a thing

[@zachniverson8816]

Also I think that 2 years in a row of hard ehd and more gun hunters hunting in bow season with a crossbow that numbers are down everywhere. Also the number of outfitters popping up. There's one in my county with over 50,000 acres leased and adding more every year. The county north of us has one with approximately 30,000 acres and counting. And there's several thousand acres to the county east of us also leased to outfitters not to mention all the other properties in between all those properties are leased to big$ city slickers from Louisville and Indy and then the remaing properties are hunted by the owners family or give permission to people like me but ultimately the leasing it was is ruining hunting here along with restricting access. And that leads to both 3000+ acre public parcels in Switzerland and Jennings county is overrun because access elsewhere is non existent. Hunting sucks in Jefferson County now and it's 1 of 2 of the main reasons I want to move out west. And I'm sure I'm not the only one with that idea so those states that are still good like Missouri Iowa and Kansas are going to decline in the future as well. Lastly I don't think hunter population is declining I just think gun hunting is less poplar because it's colder and crossbows are legal so they can hunt when it's warmer. There are so many factors it's like a perfect storm so really I can't say it's mainly one thing it's a lot of things that have led to the decline. So there really needs to be a discussion on how we as hunters can stop this madness that is completey ruining the very sport we love so much

[@gavinthomas4482]

The msnbc glasses just bring debates with them about anything.

[@billgadient8567]

Who's this Ben dude???

[@Masonjar94]

Are you serious

[@billgadient8567]

He looks old and tired with bad eyesight

[@chrisking9424]

@@Masonjar94 😄

[@bassman9699]

Why are you watching this if you don't know who Ben is?

[@billgadient8567]

Touched a nerve i guess

[@chuck8586]

40:45 well ben why should we have sympathy for the 1% who only want to harvest 180”+ 5year old+ deer??

[@taggedoutoutdoors4351]

It’s kind of funny how you guys constantly are saying how the technology for crossbows has advanced so much. Which absolutely it has no denying that at all. I would for sure still say for the majority of your people crossbow hunting though that they aren’t out there with the latest and greatest crossbow. I would say a lot of people are buying new bows but most people can’t afford the latest and greatest. But now on a side note can we acknowledge how far compound bows have come? There is way more technology into them then what there was 15 years ago no doubt. But no one wants to talk about that fact

[@zxZEUS187]

1:49:00 why? Why, if you said you would have bet money it was 5 when you shot it, would you go back and say he was probably 2 rather than 3 when you 1st saw him? I feel like you guys give some of these 2 year olds too much credit. Seems like you want to believe that every 140-160 3 year old is really just a stud 2 year old. Lol

[@jaybrandenberger6396]

It’s genetic issue as much as pedicle. No way it’s all pedicle. Yes pedicle is the source of antler growth but genetics are the source of antler growth as well correct?

[@danthiesse5108]

We need Trump to pass an executive order for deer hunting in every state. Return it to the Deer hunters not the political people

[@gameofantlers8833]

The kids down the street call me a show off and a copy catter the Democrats call me a racist Cross gun Hunters are sending me hate mail 😢

[@meats4eats210]

Get rid of trail cams, baiting, and crossbows, except for disabled and youth hunts. Raise the penalties for poaching and unlicensed hunting. There are way less hunters anymore, because sitting in a heated blind 20yds from a 200lb corn pile is not a hunter.

[@waynemayle865]

Raise the price of tags out of towers should have to take a doe first before getting a buck tag an at least 600 for a buck tag.

[@inthewoods3237]

Yes let’s have more government control 🙄

[@meats4eats210]

@inthewoods3237 Not advocating for more government. If you took away an agency funded by taxpayers that protected our wildlife and habitat , do you think there would be any mature whitetail left to hunt?

[@meats4eats210]

Not advocating for more government at all. If you remove a taxpayer funded agency that protects our wildlife and habitat, do you really think there would be any mature whitetail left to hunt?

[@inthewoods3237]

@@meats4eats210 don’t know? But we have enough laws already

[@F22Ra]

Listened to this on Apple Podcasts, came here to see if this mofo was eating while podcasting. Sure enough