The WEIRDEST murder motive EVER -- SOLVED Mysteries, Episode 3

The clue that finally solved this mystery was right in front of everyone the whole time. But it would take almost a decade -- and the intervention of a secret crime-solving society -- for investigators to understand its disturbing significance.
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☠︎ Found the secret easter egg in today's video? Be the 1st to comment what it is and where it occurs in the video, and you will get pinned!! ☠︎

[@btsarmylover6257]

So, is this anyone else’s first time hearing about this society of geniuses, that get together, and try to solve cold cases?🖐🏻 😳

[@darinda.RN1]

I’ve read about them. You have to be invited and have a speciality that is “open” such as an entomologist, etc.

[@cherie6730]

No . It's super documented

[@coconow1]

Yes. Very intriguing!

[@carolynmema2010]

Sooo 😎Cool! Yet, so 🤓Geeky! I want to hang out & take notes.

[@travishowell1686]

Nope. Dinozzos dad on NCIS is part of the team! Lol

[@importantpyg]

The scariest part of this to me is that the police were "so certain" every time. We're all one crappy alibi away from life in prison.

[@minergate677]

Iol that was good. I’ll see ya in the big house probably. Can I put in an application for your gang?

[@cmont4064]

If yr innocent, you know it and talk to the police they can twist it! If you are innocent, takes everyones advice and lawyer up your guilty, it really is scary, look at the recent case man got convicted, on death row, yet he had atleast 15 alibi' s proving he was in another state, one being a close friend who was a cop, the cop first child had been born that day, he was with the supposed killer that afternoon! Now that scares me!

[@viralmasquerade]

It freaked me out when all that guy could come up with for an alibi was that he was at his appt alone cause that would probably be my alibi in a situation like this

[@brucegwynn8509]

You're so right, seems like the cops get tunnel vision and if you are in their scope, party is over , and getting out is a 20 year process if it happens then, no I'm sorry , no accountability, just lost 20 years of your life over ignorance

[@gm_28]

Greg Kelley can confirm

[@stev6963]

That is honestly pretty badass that there’s just this group of geniuses that all get together to brainstorm and try to figure out unsolved crimes like it’s a casual game of Clue.

[@jackieblue9536]

Wouldn't that be fun to do...maybe fun isn't this right word😳🙈🙉🙊

[@MikeDrew312]

It was the Like Button with the lead pipe in the Dislike Study.

[@brianbates3370]

There are several societies founded along time ago, and I do mean along time ago, that take care of certain matters in the world that resources or other hindrances are in play. Blessed be the enlightened.

[@OscarSJP]

Why do Americans say honestly before they make a statement.

[@stev6963]

@@OscarSJP What’s wrong with saying it? We’re admitting that something is impressive or cool to us so we say “honestly.”

[@livvymarie1148]

Love that the cell mate immediately told …probably freaked out he’d have his feet played with at night .. and ya know good behavior lol

[@ksusha_kaban]

😂😂😂🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌

[@sallymaestas4918]

😅😂😅😢😂😂😂

[@blacktornado5212]

I love

[@Duckman1616]

No, he did it to reduce his sentence. Which also means he may have made the entire thing up. A lot of false convictions are due to cellmates lying to try to get reduced sentences.

[@pokoco-op]

😂😂😂😂

[@sophiebyrne5919]

Just because a person doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they're innocent. They have to start somewhere.

[@mellymel6268]

And get caught

[@KoolClassics]

Top tip 😱

[@imkluu]

Or they may be really good criminals and hadn't been caught, yet.

[@MoBillDouble]

Already started they just not caught yet

[@rickwrites2612]

the most successful criminals *don't*have a record. Think about it. So not having one can mean anything. It's only useful info if the person DOES have one.

[@PlaysWithChildren]

So sad that her boyfriend asking the security guard to check on her ultimately signaled to the killer that she was all alone and vulnerable...

[@bentonrp]

Yeah, that's really backwards. If he didn't care about her safety at all that night, she would have lived. If the first security guard didn't radio the disgruntled security guard, she would have lived. If the disgruntled security guard hadn't radioed the third security guard, she would have lived. If she had worn any other pair of shoes that day, she would've lived. This story is so messed up and backwards to everything right. :(

[@PlaysWithChildren]

@@bentonrp Exactly right.. Could have happened to any of us. We assume these security personnel are trustworthy and that the universities are safe for young girls to roam around by themselves..

[@alexvasquez7036]

@@bentonrp all these r so true wtf literally coulda bought any other color but white and she would have lived

[@paulcarpenter7844]

Yo what's with your name plays with children

[@paulcarpenter7844]

Yo what's with your name what's all that about

[@erickbonilla3680]

Man the irony in this the boyfriend telling the security guard she was alone ended up being why she was chosen as an easy target. Man how sad it was to keep her safe but told the killer she was alone and probably no one was gonna be able to see 😞

[@kukui79]

Right? And super sad that she'd already had a violent encounter with her stalker the day before. And in the office just above the computer lab, there was a man who liked to assault and threaten secretaries. 😢

[@barbarahomrighaus6852]

I always think how lucky Mr. Ballen's kids are to have such a great storyteller as a dad. 😃

[@audw82]

Can u imagine how awesome yet terrifying it would be going camping with him while growing up? #CampfireGhostStories

[@davef21370]

Not when they're sat around the camp fire and one of them's wearing white trainers.

[@blacktornado5212]

you* @@audw82

[@lauriedavis400]

Depends on the story.

[@JacR7]

@@davef21370 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@shadyyy7490]

Man, I just love the strange, dark and mysterious delivered in story format and uploaded 3,4 even 5 times every week.

[@thelittlespoon]

I wish they would be 3, 4, or 5 times a week. They aren’t though.

[@daxzy8807]

@@thelittlespoon yeah they are🤣

[@Abysia]

This gets posted on every single video. Come up with an original comment.

[@davidjohnson2377]

Same here..mr ballen posted its gonna be a good day

[@MrMrutube1987]

Don't forget the look away and down on the 5 count!!

[@ShonCope]

Ballen's dedication to flannel is extraordinary.

[@jonaswaltman7359]

yes

[@highpriestofthefarside1157]

Homer famously had a toga and beard… MrBallen’s backwards hat/flannel combo is no different.

[@dylanfriesen3254]

85%flannel 15% backwards hat wearing hat backwards in the house? Maybe his hairs a wig and the hat keeps it on

[@FauxStalgia]

He’s bringing it back

[@beverlywalton4744]

Yeah, I noticed that too; at least he’ll stay warm.

[@justincraig398]

Being wrongfully accused of murder is one of the scariest things in my eyes. Especially if it was one of my ex girl friends , or current gF actually.

[@andydeadpool8923]

Read about that Indiana State Cop who got locked up for 17 years for murdering his family, and he had nothing to do with it -- it was a random nut job.

[@joybarker7906]

Lol, especially after you commented this - you'd be the #1 unsub!

[@Bruthah]

My grandpa was murdered, the cops spent the entire time trying to pin it on my grandmother who was tied up by the murderer. She was cleared of it, but it was really disturbing how much the cops focused on her. The murder was never solved, but there are theories on who did it and why. One thing is known though, that it was done by a professional.

[@Nola5427]

A hit perhaps? I' m sorry it hasn' t been solved

[@Bruthah]

@@Nola5427 hey Nola, it was a hit they are sure of that.

[@Deverik1981]

That's sad. But cops don't care enough to put forth the effort, unless it affects one of theirs. Then you're getting buried. Otherwise, you likely don't get caught. Only 10% get caught. 10%.

[@alexandramcleod2079]

Oh I’m so sorry. Wishing you peace around this ❤

[@Bruthah]

@@alexandramcleod2079 thank you sweetie.

[@awquinlaful]

"His cellmate immediately told on him" LMFAOOOOO

[@therealdeal3672]

That's what cell mates are for.

[@thaguy2196]

I would do the same. No way I'm sharing a cell with a foot fetishist.

[@AndreBrah]

@@thaguy2196 like you get to pick your cell mate

[@junyaitadakimasu3515]

@@AndreBrah to some degree you do though.. Refusing cell assignment is an actual write-up offense for inmates. Results in immediate placement in the "hole".

[@thomaspayne6866]

Sometimes those cellmates are undercover cops. Since when would a cellmates word be evidence? Never. The cellmate was a cop.

[@saintnicholas2882]

"And his cellmate immediately told on him." Underrated line.

[@fathomgathergood7690]

That would be a good way to start a book/movie, "my cell mate confessed to me".. and they start the story. The other guy never figured his cell mate would tell the guards.

[@mercureethepersonality4671]

I chuckled soon as I heard it! He said it so matter-of-factly! 🤣🤣🤣 Like, "You already know he sang like a Canary soon as he had the chance! What else do you expect from a jailbird?!" 🤷🏽‍♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joblo6394]

Makes me wonder what was he doing in that cell in the first place -if his cell mates testimony was needed to convict.

[@joblo6394]

Oh I guess there were two trials, the first ended with a hung jury….it was during that trial that he bragged to his cell mate.

[@TheDarkShinobiX]

I wonder if that inmate got killed for snitching lol

[@Defialos]

This is the first time a solved cold case literally made my stomach turn when the motive was revealed. I'm sure this guy has more bodies on him.

[@justincraig398]

18:27 “and his cell mate immediately told on him” 🤣🤣🤣idk why but when he said that I burst out laughing.

[@Bleak5170]

The scariest part of this video was that Ashland dude. Almost every single thing pointed the finger at him, (outside of physical evidence), including the failed polygraph test. Just goes to show that coincidence and unlucky circumstances can make an innocent person look totally guilty.

[@Jusuff]

Crazy, that polygraphs are still used. They're so damn unreliable

[@Bleak5170]

@@Jusuff They aren't used in criminal cases though if I recall correctly.

[@RandyMarsh-uc6sw]

@@Jusuff They aren't admissible in court. They're more used as leverage and a scare tactic at times... to get confessions.

[@Jusuff]

@@RandyMarsh-uc6sw well that's at least something

[@penelopegrier5073]

My sister and my husband had me thrown in jail for something that same sister did. They gave me a new type of polygraph test that didn't have anything to do with your pulse. He said people who lie always has a certain pause or something in their voice, and that's what it would check for. He said it's so small most people doesn't hear it. I failed it twice somehow even though I was in bed sleep when the thing happened. So, no I never believe those tests.

[@shyakwon521]

when you're an introvert and has no alibi other than being alone in your apartment

[@bentonrp]

Police: "You wanted to date her, and when she kept refusing you, you got angry. You killed her, didn't you, you nerd!" "No, no! I was alone in my apartment that night...!" Police: "...Yeah, we believe you on that, actually."

[@lisakrikke1991]

When you have major anxiety and this comment almost made you have a panic attack

[@MisterDevos]

@@lisakrikke1991 beta!

[@bettystiegler1702]

I think about this often… 😅

[@JuanRios-kh8sq]

My alibi is me being reported for saying evil things to people while playing Warzone.

[@mirrormirror444]

I had a weird experience. My friend and I went shopping one afternoon, I wore a knee length dress and grey high heeled booties and she wore shorts and sandals. As we approached the parking garage I felt someone gaining on us, I looked behind me and saw a man with a camera strapped around his neck walking very fast and looking down at the ground. He seemed in a hurry but we didn’t feel threatened. But when we got near our car he came up behind us and blocked us in between cars and the wall so we couldn’t go anywhere, and he started rapidly taking pictures my ankles and feet zooming in and getting closer and closer until he was a couple feet away then moved on to her feet and did the same. I shouted at him to stop and leave us alone and tried to find my phone in my purse but he ran off before I could could see what direction he went. It all happened so fast. It’s creepy he had pictures of our heels and feet somewhere in his possession.

[@styleunveil_]

Omg

[@stevenjames5874]

Jesus Christ that's both harrowing and kind of funny. Not funny that it happened to people, just funny because of absurdity like brother wtf are you doing w your time?

[@quinnhurst9204]

I know this reply is 2 years late but I hope you and your friend are ok now

[@09nob]

I find it a bit weird how he doesn't say jack about his involvement in the crime for years, even to the police and then blabs all of a sudden to some random cell mate? Unless he knew the game was up? it seems odd.

[@MM-jf1me]

Some guys wanna seem tough the moment they get in because they don't want to be viewed as easy prey themselves. Maybe he figured that a fellow prisoner would "have" to be a kindred spirit?

[@gavinjenkins899]

A lot of people assume criminals will never snitch on you because of Hollywood

[@tacitusmiscellaneus4432]

So using the buddy system when the killer is “one of us” is a terrible idea for whoever is unfortunately buddies with the killer

[@UserXIII7]

Ay bro wanna be my buddy? And nice white shoes btw (:

[@GrimSleepy]

Excuse me, sir. Sir! Would you mind letting me know /holds up napkin. Does this smell like Chloroform?

[@TheMissingDislikeButton]

among us in real life

[@cwill9816]

May have to travel in threes.

[@zachmeyers2803]

as soon as someone is down a buddy, you know who the killer is.

[@graceglue8913]

Can you imagine being in that room of geniuses just for the one fella to go “have we thought about foot fetishes yet?”

[@radchik]

as all the rest of them stop dead in their tracks staring at one another....all thinking to themselves "oh shit. the gig is up"

[@timm2824]

What I want to know is why the level of education isn't higher for police officers. Seems they routinely mess up investigations over there unless it's an open and shut case. Surprising they wouldnt have interviewed the gf of the security guard originally about the call length or even check the call time as being only 3 minutes long. Very basic stuff

[@daddypoorbucks3406]

You KNOW he didn't want to say it! LOL!!!🤣

[@nd612]

Have they thought about not hurting women and not being abusive and learning correction in their thinking to help themselves and not in the genital sense? Hmm I wonder...

[@nd612]

@@timm2824 Good point. Yep, I would have to guess the police are the fckups and so are managers and the rest that cause bad ways to be over looked.

[@amandahunter3325]

I got goosebumps when Richard Walter came into it! What an absolute genius! He has an amazing gift, so clever and talented.

[@CatxCxCat]

MrBallen please do the “Keddie Cabin Murder” Edit: anyone who wants MrBallen to do the “Keddie Cabin Murder” please like or comments this. BTW it’s still an unsolved case tho, if I'm not wrong

[@rileymarino1944]

I do, I’m curious to hear about it

[@mj2672]

He did cover that! Do a search, you'll find it 😉

[@sheilaevans3770]

It’s so cool that there’s a society of geniuses who meet up monthly just to try and solve cold cases. so cool!

[@Nischal_Kandel]

@@terryl9996 still accomplishing a lot more then you will mr humble.

[@terryl9996]

@@Nischal_Kandel and they more than you as well in that respect, What's your point. As a martial arts practitioner of over three decades and having raced motorcycles for two, I wager to have accomplished more than you as a man mr inadequate

[@Nischal_Kandel]

@@terryl9996 I don't go around calling people that spend their time trying to solve cold cases egotist. Its great that you have practiced martial arts for three decades but. Who. asked?

[@terryl9996]

@@Nischal_Kandel but you go around virtue signaling to someone making a simple predication while having the irony of mentioning the topic of accomplishments

[@Nischal_Kandel]

@@terryl9996 most definitely a egotist martial artist society

[@MrXlastcallx]

Told a cellmate he killed a woman just to mess with her feet, and he immediately told on him... lmao

[@nicoleowens2318]

Can you imagine? How much dumber can you really feel than that?

[@DogFlamingoXIII]

That stuff happens all the time though. People are always bragging to their cellmates about stuff; and for some reason, they always think that they won't be reported. "I'll tell my secrets to someone who has the ability to trade favors for information. What could possibly go wrong?"

[@zappyeats2579]

@@DogFlamingoXIII you really believe that? More like the da offered his roommate something to testify and lie that he was bragging. Now that is what happens all the time.

[@negroleague2]

lol, the funny part is WHY on earth someone would think telling your CELLmate that you like killing people for their feet is a good idea. Wouldn't the cellmate think "oh this mf might kill me 1 day just for my feet. fuck him"

[@ajslam41]

@@zappyeats2579 Happens all the time, everyone is looking out for themselves. There is an old saying among cons in jail " You have no friends in jail" That was his first (im sure) time in jail, and he found out the hard way quickly

[@katiebeganovic3091]

Half the time while I’m driving I don’t even listen to music anymore I just listen to Mr. Ballen’s strange, dark, and mysterious videos. 😊

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

Secret society detective: The culprit has a foot fetish. Cold case investigator: How do you know that? Secret society detective: *Nervous sweating

[@PaleBlueDot369]

Not surprised though, when I heard about the missing shoes, I too had questions for that, so yeah, I understand that detective's pov.

[@ClingyParasite]

"putting a pen to the neck of his secretaries and telling them he was going to kill them jokingly" Well, he got a few screw loose

[@Camperguy1024]

Yoooooooooooo FUK

[@joshspringsteen4367]

PhD students are weird.

[@Lordoftheswollen]

People are so uptight now a days. Can't even threaten to kill your co workers anymore

[@availanila]

@@joshspringsteen4367 no we're not. _That_ Ph.D student was weird.

[@samuelcarlson6374]

That’s a PhD candidate for you

[@dawndawn6946]

It’s disturbing just how many potential suspects surrounded this woman daily. At any given moment how many weirdos are you surrounded by?!

[@altamashkhawaja9895]

I just started counting. Hopefully I won't find that many. 🤔

[@elavke5441]

Now that's just scarey to think about

[@shadowascelin1926]

I had one at work, to the point where we wondered what they would do when fired.

[@Nerobyrne]

I'm always surrounded by myself so

[@shark2be]

Why did I look at my spouse and my dog, then say to myself...”Currently??Two.”?

[@karishmadesai1408]

Initially watching this reminded me of my days in grad school being alone in the college building late night on the weekends trying to finish video editing projects. The software is expensive. So I had to use the university computers. We didn't have guards. We would just get to the building during the late afternoon when it was open, sign in, and then stay for hours doing work while the building would get locked from the outside at night. Sometimes I'd finish really late and just walk back to my apartment at 3 a.m., not thinking much of it. I was about to say it would've been nice to have guards in our buildings, until I saw the ending. Such a heartbreaking story.

[@amandarobinson2286]

I KNEW IT! I used to study in my campus's basement computer labs all the time and they are EERILY quiet after about 10 pm. The lights are dim and the sound it muffled by the thick, reinforced concrete walls. There is no way Dixon could have seen & heard what he said; it had to be him. As soon as he said the other guard hadn't contacted him, my suspicion locked in. His alibi seemed way too neat. Maybe it was all my years evading creeps at night on campus, but this one felt obvious to me.

[@elianne4753]

I really feel bad for Debbie’s boyfriend, man. He thought he was doing the right thing by alerting the security guards to her presence. Honestly, I might’ve done the same thing. I wouldn’t have expected a security guard to be a killer, especially if it’s a security guard I saw around campus all the time. But hindsight is 20/20, so of course I find it strange now.

[@jbailey1435]

Were I live they hired a professional security guard company. One of them followed a woman in her building and raped her. Sorry to say you really can't trust anyone.

[@terryl9996]

Actually it happens alot because almost anyone can become security guards and offenders purposely seek these jobs to perpetrate their crimes as in many security guard crimes

[@alyciamarie4163]

Unfortunately that’s actually a very common job for a serial killer. As well as truckers. They purposefully choose a job that puts them in a better position to find victims.

[@NushiSushi]

You'd be surprised how easy it actually is to become a security guard. It's more of just a job than a career choice

[@anonymousperson3023]

@@alyciamarie4163 not true. Of serial killers, they can get themselves jobs to allow them to do that but to say it's common along serial killers isnt right

[@russelltilley2776]

Never imagined I’d get hooked to watching some random guy telling stories on KZbin, but here I am.

[@pedrovelazquez9785]

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[@syesoleimani1403]

Same here

[@sadmermaid]

@@pedrovelazquez9785 facts

[@BMad508]

facts check out reddit aliens channel sometime or type reddit short stories and you'll find god shit

[@meeshafike3430]

I know the feeling lol

[@karlaatherton]

MrBallen, you are simply the best. I love your very impartial and neutral approach on all your histories. Great job!

[@domoniquesacco4964]

You should do the Kyron Horman unsolved case. It’s local to me and his mom still is sending out search parties 10 years later because she refuses to give up! She deserves closure. How do we get this unsolved murder society help her??

[@carolynharrison5807]

According to Vidocq's website, the Kyron Horman case does not fit their criteria because there's no body and no crime scene (according to the Wikipedia article). I guess you could try and find organisations that do try to solve missing persons cases?

[@imkluu]

WTF, killed a woman just to mess with her feet. F'n sick, man.

[@mistrjt9213]

Should I be afraid?? I have cute feet.

[@isakteppen4139]

@@mistrjt9213 Yes, you should be afraid. But only because you announced it here. Had you stayed silent, you would have been safe.

[@Mr.CliffysWorld]

@@isakteppen4139 ... Safe ? At no time is one safe ! "Never NOT be afraid !!" Lol. 🤣

[@miaturner4953]

@@mistrjt9213 funny🤣🤣

[@L1v1ngD3adGirI]

I mean I have sharp toenails so I feel safe

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

“His cellmate immediately told on him” …when are criminals gonna learn you can’t trust other criminals?!

[@nicholasfrederick3226]

Hopefully never

[@adrianaledezma6920]

nerver, thanks to their narcissism

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

He was a newbie. 😄🤷

[@gabordrotos5602]

None of them are the sharpest knives in the drawer. Except some serial killers like the Zodiac. These guys enjoy taking credits, that's what drives most of them. Attention.

[@est727xx5]

@@adrianaledezma6920 the same percentage of non criminals are narcissistic, as criminals.

[@notjustyouraverageguy]

I’m I the only one who starts off by watching a few videos now I’m hooked😭😭😭❤️ The more I watch the more I become aware and how horrible so ppl really are…these stories are an eye opener and also @MrBallen you hav made every video I watched enjoyable and I was immersed in them….if I could have half of this ur story telling skills I would love it❣️🤲🏾…Well-done again I’m such that I will be watching this channel for a long time .

[@destinycovington7189]

I immediately knew it was the security guard as soon as the boyfriend told him to check. I feel so proud of myself lol

[@TheUndergroundRave]

This is so wild. All of the suspects they looked into seemed soooo guilty and yet the one who actually did it was immediately dropped because of his well respected background wtf

[@Gos1234567]

If you want to get away with shit just join the army or cops for a few years or bcome a doctor,people really kiss doctors asses

[@ChocolateMilk..]

@@Gos1234567 And they really trust the oink oinks.

[@etriganthedemon666]

The investigator probably drop the suspicion, because they don't want to be accuse of being racist

[@AdrienneAJ]

I always think to myself when they say someone had a clean record, that they have to start somewhere. No one is a murdered until the murder.

[@davidlang9939]

HO!! LEE!! THE BOYFRIEND HAD FRESH BUSTED KNUCKLES AND A DEEP HAND CUT -- CERTAIN TYPES WOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED THAT SAME NIGHT!! BUT NO, THE GUY WAS CLEAN BUT TERRIBLY SUSPICIOUS!! SAVED BY THE BLOOD TEST: ALL FIVE SUSPECTS!!

[@BurnedSpace]

ironic that her boyfriend telling the security guards to check on her is ultimately what condemned her

[@rykersmimi]

That’s exactly what I was thinking too.

[@fastname6519]

Never let other dudes check on ur girl that was a rookie mistake man

[@josephinev.catlady5182]

Ik he must feel awful and then they suspect him on top of that poor dude

[@cooliodiablo4571]

Who leaves their gf by themselves around a bunch a weirdo security guards that late at night anyway? I wouldn’t of trusted them to begin with. Knowing other ppl were around her again that late, would of made me stay. He was dumb.

[@falmiekeddy8270]

Rude, you totally gave away the ending. Boo.

[@quitter3452]

I want to say that uncovering these cases to public with whole info with every detail and every person and the photos he put a lot of hardwork and I am big fan of him Keep up the great work 👍❤️

[@blahblahyaddayadda9343]

As a retired private who specialized in child molestation I told my grandson who wanted me to watch ur show that immediately it was the boyfriend or the security guard.....I enjoyed this I also did profiling and he is right it's always the little things

[@muse8753]

Nice frame for the day and the rest of your family 💗

[@blacktornado5212]

your*

[@saucequeen4885]

Does anyone else have an internal fight with themselves to not look at the comments so the ending of Ballen’s story isn’t spoiled!?? 😝

[@cutieapplepie]

YESSSS OMG and when i give in to my temptation i INSTANTLY regret it cause the first comment is like “i honestly cant believe Nataly got away with it” AND IM LIKE “NOOOOO” lol i thought it was just me

[@Gawlakman]

Not that hard to just read them after the video…

[@kellyjofrey4192]

Doing that now! Lol 😂

[@Jorizzle22]

I just accidentally looked at the comment above yours and now I know who did it lol 🙄

[@KomaKode93Mode]

YES!

[@invisa_b-973]

Imagine University president: use the buddy system, don't ever be alone while on campus. * Gets the killer as a buddy * 😳

[@jerrycraig6522]

DANG IT

[@powdermoney1361]

This was my thought exactly!

[@mccullawoodley2627]

now you just ruined the felling of safety of the buddy system🤣

[@invisa_b-973]

@@mccullawoodley2627 I'm sorry 😭

[@izaiahcampbell629]

That would probably be the safest buddy tho no smart killer would kill someone they are always around

[@robynsegg]

Holy crap! This happened in my hometown! I was a junior in high school and was thinking about applying to Drexel at the time. How did I forget about this?

[@christopherstrong4119]

Thank you, Mr.Ballen, Another amazing video , I seriously can't get enough of them , Great Job SIR, 👍

[@dp-bh5fh]

14:15 “it was ultimately her work ethic that put her in danger” this is why I have no work ethic

[@keedam6012]

🤣🤣🤣

[@neithvoid]

Relatable

[@mikesnapper9001]

if this is true then i'm basically immortal

[@Lukas_Jman]

I live by that

[@taylorrhouser]

Actually it’s the boyfriends fault because he told the security guard she was there alone 👀 understandable, but that’s what put her in danger

[@vivmonroe1802]

Who was thinking the moment the boyfriend told the security guard his girlfriend was alone working that he just got her killed?

[@jt8162]

I saw this before the end and thought it was just a guess you had. Wow.. I bet her bf had to carry a lot of guilt..but who'd thunk it?

[@yesseniapozuelos8787]

My thoughts exactly than he told another security guard to go look after her cause he was lazy I was well oops Security guards are suss af I dont trust them..... im married to one and he wears black gloves al all times while working cause germs and im always like yeah okay buddy sure

[@qaidikramuddin]

Yep. Thought that too.

[@ksinclair-garcia2092]

The minute the boyfriend said he had talked to a security guard I immediately thought it was the security guard

[@re707]

Freal. I know that dude's bunkie was like "tf did this man just say to me?" Idek how id respond hearing the sentence "I killed her to have my way with her feet." Id have to jaw check that man. Lost his life for some feet. Wild

[@victoriandave4823]

Who keeps clicking on Mr Ballens videos hoping you haven't seen it before? And then 1 minute in, you realise you have 😔

[@joanhoffman3702]

“The Murder Room” by Michael Capuzzo tells the story of the Vidocq Society. Fascinating reading that I highly recommend.

[@brandone.5106]

Imagine being killed because some clown values white shoes and socks more than your life.

[@anthonytunstall2147]

That's what I just said

[@86BarbOmega]

THIS is why it is totally ok to kink shame!

[@grmasdfII]

@@86BarbOmega Who made you a deputy of the thought police?

[@isaacbrathwaite145]

Bruh this isn't even me being funny but I saw someone get shot for stepping on some Jordan's

[@irvingt5168]

This is more common than youthink in the hood. Jordan’s and coke white air forces poeple lose they life over sadly

[@JimInIssaquah]

That poor boyfriend will probably spend the rest of his life regretting his decision to leave her alone. :(

[@Doomsdayparade]

I'd magine he did

[@amsro9094]

Might have been no problem had he NOT told the security guard she was alone. How's that for the brain, the worst of things can come from the best of intentions!

[@attorneytomannihilator6933]

@@amsro9094 I saw a few comments victim blaming him.

[@dedalliance1]

And this is why in America we like to carry guns or tasers or pepper spray or whatever on us 24/7 'What are you so scared of all of the time?' Oh I don't know, highly trained military security guards with a foot fetish? We could start with that. You're never actually safe in any society if you don't take the proper measures to make sure you can protect yourself, it's the only person you can rely on.

[@orphanoforbit7588]

There's no probably about it. He is. I'd go off the rails if I had been him. Probably would have tried to commit a crime that would land me in the same prison as the killer so that I could exact revenge. But that's just me. I doubt anyone would consider it honourable.

[@elainephilly]

Thank you for showing Philadelphia in a good light and for helping have Deborah's case solved, (Vidocq Society).

[@shirleybabin6451]

I love how he tells a story it makes you feel like you are there love it

[@melanie7071]

White tennis shoe fetish... Of all the things to lose your life over.

[@melanie7071]

@H S I think that’s beyond weird... It’s advanced weird.

[@pennydaytreasures8173]

Sad

[@richardsalinetrojr1957]

Its sad but I've heard many stories of gang members shooting people over a pair of expensive Jordan's or some other expensive pair of shoes.always makes me wonder if someone's ever eyeing me up when I come out of the house with a pair of my off-white nikes that I own since some of them can fetch a pretty penny.ive actually had one person offer me 2grand for a pair that i bought the day they came out for $250 and that was only a month after the shoes release.really sad that just a pair of shoes can make you a mark to some people.at least this poor girls family got some sort of piece being that their daughters killer was eventually caught and serving time for his murder.

[@cooliodiablo4571]

What kind of shoes y’all got on rn? 🤪

[@eugenetheonewhoasked859]

@@cooliodiablo4571 none

[@kevindouglas8768]

He "tip toed" and "danced" around the investigation, but when he got in jail, he "put his foot in his mouth".

[@purplebutterflies68battles66]

Absolutely superb 👏👏👏

[@sharonfahy6384]

😂🤣pmsfl hilarious 🤣

[@sylviabenoit7663]

So gd its evil

[@barringtongilbert9230]

🙄 are you SURE you aren't my mate 'Jim' lol

[@harleyclaunch-clark8788]

👁️👄👁️

[@andyblendermann]

Unbelievable story! Thanks for telling this so well. I practically fell out of my chair waiting to hear what the significant clue was, and even thought a fetish killer? before you said it. It's so sad that campus security can't be trusted.

[@SylvieParris]

Listening to this while driving to Florida. Your stories are always fascinating

[@EL-ISS]

Everytime you said West Philadelphia my brain would automatically add: "Born and raised!"

[@pontushaggblad3211]

On the playground was where I spent most of my days

[@deadcell9787]

chillin out maxin relaxin all cool

[@welsh.truth.dragon3914]

And shooting some b - ball outside of the school

[@TheDog_People]

When a couple of guys - they were up to no good, started making trouble in my neighborhood

[@ari_ur_luv3677]

I got in one little fight and my mom got scared

[@salemcrow5078]

Manager of the computer lab: yknow it’s weird he heard those printers at 2am because they shutoff at 10pm automatically The cold case detectives: shiiiiittt

[@HepCatJack]

There were investors that raised concerns about Bernie Madoff because they couldn't figure out how he made his gains, and the SEC did nothing. It was only when his kids turned him in that they did something. There were at least a couple of people who did school shootings that posted about their intentions on social media before hand. People reported the messages to the police or FBI and they didn't take it seriously. It's better to deal with a problem while it is small before it turns into a big problem.

[@mccullawoodley2627]

haha

[@Speedfly1]

I actually caut that. Guard said printer noises at 2:30. But we was told that She died at 1:38, I thought who was printing, they must have seen her, blood or the messed up room, after a fight or something. When ballien did not go deeper into it. I just left it.

[@mboyer68]

Printers on a clock auto shutoff timer? That's the strangest thing about this whole case.

[@yoinkaim1499]

@@HepCatJack Tf is u talking about bro?

[@brianhearn43]

I love to watch your videos .....beat story time on the tube hands down ....keep up the fantastic job

[@bebreyes4766]

Just subscribed!!!! I’m addicted! Thank you! So interesting!

[@Ghost19_]

This is a promising mini-series: Story-telling the weirdest, solved case and mysteries in MrBallen style

[@spaceflight5687]

Yes

[@katiewillner4554]

Hi

[@jadennelson7886]

Yes

[@jsprings3026]

I agree, I really really like it

[@calkayfield]

Brillant isn't he :)

[@johnhowell5295]

Thank god mr ballen is on today, i go through withdrawals everyday he is not on

[@annabretherick6924]

Me tooo😀

[@AwnysRam]

Same

[@MrBallen]

Hahaha

[@jpinkston30]

Me too!

[@jaclynnschaefer]

Same here.

[@lindareese4579]

Thank you for sharing your story with us..

[@scottbubb2946]

Ha, ha, that was the first thing that crossed my mind when he gave the description. But then I thought, no, that's stupid." and I dismissed it.🤣

[@ScatWilliams69]

Mr Ballen, I believe I speak for everyone when I say “WE FREAKING LOVE YOU.”

[@koiyei]

I second this notion

[@jamesgaston2745]

This sounds like an overwritten murder mystery written by a 19 year old. Everybody is suspicious AF

[@F1nchDuh]

it even had the obvious killer who actually isn’t the killer

[@brianking9424]

And they all woke up and it was just a dreaaaammmm. That’s how I ended all my stories as a kid 😂

[@JerryEricsson]

Indeed, however it is so easy to do that in an investigation, you have to work your way through the case and at one time or another there are different suspects who end up having nothing to do with the incident. That is just life, one person the one who was injured or killed may have contact with dozens of people over a day, especially in a large campus area, and suspicion follows the clues as they become known. That's just the way it has to be done. It would be great if every criminal would leave their student ID on the body but that doesn't happen all that often.

[@matthewfors114]

@@brianking9424 and start a story like this ... "it was a dark and stormy night, and debbie was working late" blah blah blah " and it was all just a dream" lol

[@felautumn9534]

It only sounds overwritten because your only perception of what a murder looks like are the fictional books you read. In real life situations, they can be simple or highly complicated. There is no definition of what a murder truly looks like.

[@philipemendez7339]

Why is Roman Atwood‘s wife the thumbnail 😂😂

[@lindyloo3579]

I love mrballen's stories especially the scary stories . I came across him about a month ago now I'm addicted.

[@robertrobertson6605]

*But, Lord Jesus was Right there to HeLp Her!!!*

[@huntlife]

The detective that took the case to that group of crime solving intellectuals was pretty savvy to do so. Good for him.

[@janicesullivan8942]

It’s sad that Debbie never got her dream car, and her family had to wait such a long time for justice. I wonder if Debbie was his only murder.

[@crikker9447]

Well he did have over 20 pairs of plastic wrapped shoes in his apartment

[@anonymousperson3023]

@A H where did you come to that conclusion? Of course they followed up on those. They most likely connected those to the robberies reprted by neighbors

[@anonymousperson3023]

It probably was. The rest were most likely stolen as murder would A) be too strenuous to clean up after and B) he had no reason to murder if he could just steal. Debbie was only killed cause thats the only way he could get those shoes

[@marya5931]

20 pairs of shoes wrapped up? At least 5 were murder victims and this is speaking statically 🤦‍♂️

[@danjc9783]

@@raudy7856 it says in the video that he told his cell mate that he wanted to have his way with her feet, he did more than just kill her and steal her shoes from the sounds of it.

[@healthiswealth_28]

i am addicted to ur stories mr. Ballen❤️🥰

[@Judyjlefebvre]

Good story Mr Ballen 👌altgough, My creep meter just broke listening to it. 🤪

[@Lethal19]

It's surprising to think that the little lie of "I heard the printers working at 2:15am" was enough to figure it all out

[@bsqwahlE]

That and his girlfriend/wife/ ex-wife gave him his alibi. smh

[@pocketkiriyama]

Honestly that part of his statement actually got me thinking he might be the prime suspect.

[@leesteal4458]

When I heard that my thought was, didn't her work stop mid sentence at 1.38 am? Why would the printer be on after that time?

[@kadote3373]

Noah?

[@amber_Forever16]

And why would he even say that, everyone knows when telling a good lie you give as much truth as possible so the lie is as small and believable as possible!!

[@BeccaRaptor94]

As soon as you said “it wasn’t sexual… but she was missing her shoes.” I IMMEDIATELY thought foot fetish.

[@jenniferwebb5954]

Me too

[@Veladus]

@@jenniferwebb5954 Me three. I can't believe that was the thing nobody picked up on. You guys wanna go apply to the genius club? LOL

[@slugs1043]

Absolutely

[@fbiagent3998]

Literally I just commented to cus I thought of the SAMME thing

[@oskarwinters1873]

@@Veladus it's called 'framing' without the next sentence 'they said it wasn't sexual' your brain wouldn't have made the connection. The framing exists because the truth is already known, and is being told in a story. Do I need to keep explaining why you only think you are smart?

[@michaelf.150]

So many years later they got the killer, truly amazing and heartbreaking too. Another great story by MrBallen 👍👍👍👍

[@JT.Tantrum]

Another great episode thanks

[@Joe-ij7nw]

When you mentioned he walked by at 2:15 am, immediate flags were raised in my mind. Typically, you don't print while working on a project until it's finished but you said she was mid sentence on her project at 1:38 am. That signaled to me either someone else had to be in there at that time OR he was lying.

[@OneBlueKnightIn54]

And where were the print outs?

[@skarecr0w947]

Yeah that was what bothered me too, i watched the first 15 minutes twice and the 2 main things that bothered me were the printer and the shoes. The backpack was found but the shoes werent? That in my mind meant that the killer moved the shoes far away but left the backpack?? Also what are the odds she lost both shoes AND socks during the struggle without the killer purposely removing them and as pointed above, moving them speficially. Also the security guards were the ones to know what the other was doing at any time and knew the area so i figured it was the security guard who had history and that the blood was from the janitor (nosebleed/cut?) which caused a mixup. Either way i was wrong but it was fun!

[@jennifergonzales4230]

That was my reaction, too. Who would be printing that late?

[@BetwixtDandD]

@@OneBlueKnightIn54 No printing after 10 p.m. He was lying about hearing the printers.

[@mumtazamiri6409]

For me, the missing shoes did raise suspicion, I mean, _where were they ?!_ But more than that, I couldn't get over the missing socks! Like, what ? where ? how ? why ?!! The printer did not raise suspicion because back in my Univ days, I was overly cautious about my projects and, so as not to lose any material just in case I forgot to hit the "save" button, I would print every two pages of completed work.

[@waynteshiajohnson6605]

Who else gets disappointed when MrBallen says” so that’s gonna do it guys”.

[@rosebflowin]

I shed a tear each time..

[@ronaldreagan7551]

Not me, I just go watch another video. 😂

[@cynthiasavage120]

Every time

[@geared4war]

My wife and I are still new to his stuff so we have a lot to watch. but I hate waiting for new content usually.

[@theweirdcanadian5247]

Defienetly (No I don't care I misspelled that)

[@christinabruno315]

Wow! Im from Philadelphia and went to high school in west philly and never heard this story. So sad… poor girl! I’m glad they caught him!

[@raythomas5090]

Love watching these videos💯

[@aarcusisloading9991]

This was an odd one. But there's a group of geniuses who work on cold cases once a month?! Dude

[@RoseNZieg]

there are groups of regular people who review cold cases and give their two cents as well.

[@BlueLightStasia]

Right?! That's awesome!

[@RoseNZieg]

@Detective Dahlia it's been a long while since i heard of them. you might have to ask around.

[@laurenheinzman5617]

In the history of KZbin, every other person just says the same “like this video” spiel and like 60% of the people who view it forget or just don’t bother....then here comes MrBallen, with hands down one of the best true crime/strange dark and mysterious content (delivered in story format) channels I’ve ever come across....and has me literally hitting the “like” button before he even starts talking because I’m already so stoked he posted a new video...and in the off chance one of us forgot to actually “like” it, he always manages to remind us in a completely new (and hilarious) way...bravo Sir Ballen...bravo 🙌🏻😍🤓

[@Carmen-us1ew]

I always "like" something that I've watched, that way I know I've already watched it. Especially on channels where I skip around on the videos. Or if I miss a few, I'll know which videos I still need to watch.

[@MrBallen]

Hahah thank you!!!!

[@laurenheinzman5617]

@@MrBallen stopppp I just got SO excited that you saw my comment! I can officially die happy now 🙌🏻🙈😂 lol! I have to also say thank you so much for your service 🙏🏻...my dad was in Vietnam and has a Purple Heart also, and my grandpa (who is now 98 years old) flew B17 bomber planes in WW2...I’ll never be as cool as them lol but thought it was awesome when I finally went over and saw your IG! I absolutely love your channel my friend...keep up the awesome work! 🙌🏻😍

[@Thalatash]

@@Carmen-us1ew I do that too! I wish there was another button or some sort of "already watched" icon because some peoples videos aren't that good but not bad enough to "dislike". My favorite channels, like MrBallen, I don't hesitate, though, and this is one of the few channels I don't mind seeing the videos more than once.

[@PoochieCollins]

oooOOOooo MrBallen has a groupie 😉😂

[@clopez247]

I'm binging on these videos! Very well presented, I'm hooked on every word! I enjoy watching these types of videos. Thank u for creating such excellent content. The secret Easter egg is ☠️ and i found it at the pit of the description 🙌

[@margaretjohnston9965]

Mr. Ballen, I would be interested in hearing an in-depth analysis of the story of the Lost Dutchman's gold mine. I live in that area and the story has always fascinated me.

[@jadealyx8039]

The fact that people kill over their own obsessions, is just so terrifying. Ngl, I've become a little more paranoid since watching Mr.B lol

[@summerwhite6]

Same. Especially after watching the video where the guy was going into the girl's apartment when she was gone and when she found out he killed her.Some people truly are messed up! I love Mr Ballen's videos but they make my paranoia and anxiety skyrocket. 😬

[@mistrjt9213]

I’ve become paranoid af after downloading the citizen app... 💁🏻‍♂️

[@mistrjt9213]

@@summerwhite6 ooh yeah the one where he was getting interviewed and then he got all weird when they told him her body was found...?

[@thehassanbolden2043]

literally

[@summerwhite6]

@@mistrjt9213 yup, the same.

[@ZNA_Productions]

18:18 Probably the epitome of "Weird flex but ok"

[@patwalker3607]

first

[@juliancox459]

Bruh Eli is here

[@yeahbronah6319]

Fr lmfao u can tell the guys off just by his eyes lol

[@yeahbronah6319]

And yoooo dawg i remember you!!! Your weapon making skills are dope asf i used to be really into your channel fr

[@orlandoperez4150]

My favorite youtuber watchs my second favorite youtuber bro

[@corneliaarendsen1358]

You are a fantastic storyteller. Greetings from Spain.

[@jeremybell9087]

Cant stop watching your amazing content!

[@chazmansmom]

I'm fascinated now and would like a Story about The Genius Squad!

[@elm8878]

Same

[@danielraymond9631]

Yup, I'm intrigued too

[@JoshuaWeirdo]

Yes. Please.

[@lynne1517]

I’m in the Genius Squad... I’ll tell you a story ! Joke... I wish I was that clever , that sounds so cool 👍🏻

[@virginpoet29]

Same

[@noodlepoodlegirl]

“Investigators know that generally when a woman is murdered the culprit is her romantic partner. “This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever heard.

[@MsBELLE7]

It also leads to a lot of chases down rabbit holes, puts innocent people in prison, and leave cases ultimately unsolved due to police not paying enough attention to everything in front of them.

[@laszlokenyo3168]

I think he meant that when a woman is killed in this specific way. Face to face strangulation and covering the body out of shame.

[@solarose7820]

@@MsBELLE7 not that many innocents trust me.

[@Joeysaladslover]

@@solarose7820 ok! I’ll happily trust you despite not knowing you, and despite the fact that you provided zero evidence!

[@solarose7820]

@@Joeysaladslover haha it’s a known fact. In cases of sexual assault/abuse/violence, fake accusations represent around 2% of all cases which is basically nothing. But somehow, too many people love to bring up the false allegations because it’s fits perfectly their sexist narrative that women lie all the time and that they just want to hurt men and men’s reputations, etc. Even tho factually most of rapists and abusers still keep their job ! Some even get promoted hahaha. If you want to stop the irony and dig deeper, it’s up to you to educate yourself, learn about the world and the injustice that women and minorities face everyday, I don’t owe you knowledge, I’m not your personal assistant, I can only bring awareness and hope you’ll find your way, bring your guard down and listen to the victims around you and maybe in the internet. You don’t have to carry all the world’s misery, but surely you can land a helping hand and be an ally to people who really need their voices to be amplified. Thanks and take care.

[@Judy.LoveandLightAlways]

So Glad They Solved This Beautiful Innocent Girl's Murder. "In the arm's of the Angel's Debbie" Just trying to Make Her Dream Come True. So Very Sad. Thank You, Kindest thoughts to you and your family From Australia x 😥😇

[@ROT4RYfc3s]

Drexel University is literally 10 miles from my house. Mr Ballens stories are always sad, but it's even worse when it's a story that takes place in your backyard.

[@amberhermann6437]

I FEEL LIKE A DAMN GENIUS WHEN HE SAID HER SHOES WE MISSING I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT FOOT FETISH I FEEL SO SMART RIGHT NOW

[@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget]

It's pretty obvious shoes and socks don't fall of from being dragged over smooth tile and concrete and if they has been dragged over a high friction surface there would be indicators on the feet them self

[@Ahuman-pl7qo]

Don’t spoil it!

[@MorganDeacetis]

Same

[@shaneculkin7124]

@@Ahuman-pl7qo: Well why wouldja come on down here before finishing the video Silly..?. Lol. But seriously, you will honestly ALWAYS see spoilers down here. Sheeeeeeesh!!

[@hannibalthecannibal3606]

Yeah shoes coming off from being dragged is reasonable but socks...

[@StoopidImWith]

I would love if you made a podcast titled “The Strange, Dark, and Mysterious”

[@Stephhoney.___]

OOOO YES !!

[@lilgravity8100]

Yes please

[@TimFL89]

YES

[@jaydehart3924]

Would be a smart idea

[@hayleydollx]

"... in podcast format" xP

[@pateicialane4740]

Fear is a dreadful thing to have in your life I haven’t watched news on tv for two years more since covid but I love these stories knowing if I’m not living in fear or America I’m fine! ♥️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@mason7067]

In America you can defend yourself, well in most of it anyway. Aside from a few big cities where you can't, and crime runs wild. I'd be more worried about my safety living basically anywhere else.

[@Nola5427]

Seriously?! lol , you guys have one of the highest crime rates and shooting alll the time but you still haven' t figured it out.