the whole ballinger family is problematic

[@theriveroftruth]

i really appreciate you censoring the kids faces and also talking about colleen’s response to the whole time stamps comments debacle. mental gymnastics she’s doing in that clip deserve a gold medal

[@kkstingray3445]

Right, if she's so concerned about the children then stop posting them all over your channel , the ads are not the issue

[@sof.denise]

i have a vivid memory of colleen saying she doesn’t scrub her body with soap she just lets her shampoo run down her body. has nothing to do with that situation i’ve just been bottling that up for a while.

[@JessP06]

You have unlocked a memory I was not aware of having until now

[@bolanikachalo]

this made me giggle stop 😭

[@sarfitch]

I have been thinking about this ever since the whole thing came about as of late. Literally have the exact same memory. Didn’t know it was so telling at the time 😂😂

[@Nitsujydobthgil]

I think about this to often

[@mayag5191]

I REMEMBER THIS TOO!! what the heck

[@trinitydivined1100]

Her argument that KZbin ads protect children from predators was wild and mind numbing at the same time.

[@hannibanani029]

Not only is the idea that ads will stop child predators absurd, but the sentiment ends up sounding like, "If pedophiles are going to watch your children do gymnastics, don't you at least deserve to make money from them?"

[@ninicherefe1075]

the whole time I was watching that vid i was waiting for her to literally say that

[@maddies144]

Similar to what you said regarding parentification, a concern that has always stood out to me is Bailey's role within the family. She is the oldest child (12 or 13 years older than their youngest) and the only daughter. There's been a lot of discussion regarding "oldest daughter syndrome" lately, where the oldest daughter is unfairly burdened with emotional labor and chores typically delegated to adults. They don't have any nannies that I'm aware of, and she doesn't go to school. With 5 younger brothers, and two parents overly focused on social media, I worry about how much is put on Bailey's shoulders when the camera isn't rolling.

[@entransify]

All of their kids are homeschooled, and there is proof of the curriculum used as being not great. Bailey did briefly attend public high school, but she was removed and theories about why. I honestly feel they set her up for failure. When I stopped watching their stuff, it felt like to me Bailey and Jacob both didn't want to be on camera.

[@_rat_5758]

I’ve been thinking about exactly this! From when I was younger and watched their videos she always seemed like she was out on that pedestal all the time. While she definitely did enjoy reading and all that looking back at the videos just freaks me out a bit in a way I cant describe it’s too perfect it’s too golden

[@RynDummer]

Especially when the parents decided “let’s put the baby in Bailey’s room!” Um… bad idea there.

[@nikkydalby7126]

Another point I’d like to add: Multiple Employees from the departments that handle & deal with CP content have come forward & said that EVERY single channel that does family vlogging is on the websites where these disgusting individuals share, buy, & sell images & videos of underage children. Knowing that fact alone would make me take down my entire family channel (IF I had one, I don’t, but no way could I continue putting my child’s face on the internet knowing what gross people were doing to the content I was uploading!) Also, several teens/young adults have come out & spoke about when their parents had a camera shoved in their face for their Family Vlogs/Channel & have all said it ruined their childhood. Anyone who does family content & shows their children’s faces is absolutely deplorable in my book.

[@Andromeda129]

Thank you so much for sharing the clip where Colleen is talking about demonetization. It’s truly concerning to hear a mother say that removing AD’s makes it “easier” for pedophiles to watch, like no the pedophile doesn’t care about a 1 min ad.. they are just happy they get to watch this kind of content provided so graciously by the parents of the children… I was also around in the earlier days of KZbin and can 100% confirm I used to see the time stamps in the comments, it horrified me and I immediately realized how dangerous family blogging can really be.

[@caroljeeben7064]

I wouldn't want over 3 million strangers watching my children in our own home

[@hollyk7052]

Kids can’t consent, they shouldn’t be “content creators”

[@jessied4105]

This is a really great video. I commend you for censoring the Ballinger childrens faces, and sharing your experience and clips with evidence. Your channel is really great, and I can’t wait to watch it grow. Keep it up!!!

[@AbbyC-cp9sl]

It was so telling that Jessica called out “gossip culture” for choosing whatever is “profitable”. Because, that former fan that commented has NOTHING to gain by setting that boundary and expression their upset. Their former fans aren’t profiting off of any of this. Jessica is the only one in that interaction profiting, and she’s angry that she’s no profiting as much as she used to.

[@AbbyC-cp9sl]

And also her “if you have a problem, call me. If you don’t have my number, you don’t have a problem” is also so funny. Because SHE was in personal group chats with underage fans. And allegedly went to some of those fans houses to hang out. Some of these fans calling her out LITERALLY had her personal info!!

[@Ivoska135]

It is not a minor thing when you use for clickbait the face of your son crying because he feels neglected. It was certainly not a minor thing for him at the moment, he is a child

[@atlanticboulevard]

THE QUEEF COMMENT WAS SO ACCURATE ISTG I HAVE NEVER HAD A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE 😭😭😭

[@theraven03]

You should react to the Norris Nuts! They are a prime example of problematic family vlogging

[@plutosexy]

IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS OMG!! i feel like nobody talks about the norris nuts

[@antonia3239]

I literally found out what sex was from Miranda sings lol I was a big fan when I was like 7 and she had a song with a lyric saying “don’t dress porn”. When I looked up what it meant I was in utter shock 😭😭😭☠️

[@Ivoska135]

My chin just dropped…

[@DeviBuster]

Her content always upset me as a kid, it felt mocking and gross. Its just so weird to make videos so clearly targetted towards kids, then say some really gross and creepy things in them.

[@madeleinereads]

I don’t like watching family bloggers as well, especially after Ruby Franke’s arrest. I personally think it puts the kids at risk. This reminded me of something I heard about back in March or April of last year. I heard about a new bill proposed in the French National Assembly to prevent parents from oversharing images of their kids online. I think it passed, but I'm not entirely sure. I think this law would be the first of its kind. According to an article I read, one of the clauses wants to make the parents responsible for the privacy rights of children who cannot consent to posting pictures and videos. In extreme cases, a judge can take away one of the parents' rights to post images/videos of their kids if it's deemed "harmful or excessive." So, if Colleen, The Ballinger Family, or any of these other family vloggers lived in France, they'd probably be in big trouble there.

[@hollyk7052]

They also have interesting laws around advertising, and photoshop!

[@Kaiandherfloof]

Say it louder girl! The fact that she has 3 children is terrifying

[@BeJeweled28]

THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER IS 4 YEARS YOUNGER THAN JOJO? That is obscene!

[@saranonimus9211]

Whatever Colleen's intentions were in her Miranda content, the "humor" hinges on the blurring of boundaries. When is it OK for an adult to expose you to sexualized content? Why is it funny to imply sa by a family member? Learning how to establish healthy boundaries is a critical part of developing into a healthy human being, and she's out here profiting on normalizing the violation of boundaries. For her to say she's "not a groomer" because her end goal wasn't to engage in physical sexual acts with her young fans is nonsense.

[@willow8745]

It's possible Bailey was pulled out of school due to being so behind from unschooling.

[@entransify]

It's not unschooling. they are homeschooled. It's just that the curriculum used was authored by a religious cult member, so they're not being taught anything useful.

[@lackules]

This was a really well done video. Thank you for spreading awareness about this disgusting family.

[@nikkydalby7126]

PS: Why doesn’t this video have more views?! This was really well done!

[@jessied4105]

I really liked the *IDEA* of video they did of Parker getting his tonsils out, and showed how calm cool and collected they seemed. A video like that could really help a nervous kid. HOWEVER, I think it would have been a great video if they had just talked about it, without exploiting their child in a vulnerable state for click and Adsense

[@thetopcommentpod]

this is such a solid video!!! i just found your channel… im here for it. love that you blurred out the kids faces and the way you sprinkle in real world examples along with your opinion. im subscribed and i cant wait to watch more of your videos!! so good ✨

[@classicrockhoe_]

This is so well thought out and structured. I appreciate you sharing your personal experience as a fan and taking the care to censor the kids faces. I can tell you worked hard on this video and it shows, its awesome.

[@rileypoole2781]

You’re so well spoken. I agree with you 1000% and was also once a fan. I feel like I grew out of those parasocial relationships but now that I have a label for it I realize how freaking weird it is for ADULTS to be doing this??

[@scottmackie7830]

Colleen used JoJo For clicks, For views, To get JoJo s followers To follow her…ew

[@knicholsch]

Agreed. I have followed Colleen but Rachel and the brother and sister in law with all the kids always didn’t sit right with me.

[@entransify]

I agree with you about basically everything you say here. I used to consume so much Ballinger content. It seemed so wholesome to me, but knowing what I do now, it's not so wholesome anymore. And even if they weren't doing anything nefarious off-camera, they're still exploiting their kids.

[@entransify]

Also, I agree with you about the issues of religion and homeschooling. It works for some people! But a lot of hyper-religious parents claim public schools indocrinate kids (not true), so they homeschool to do their own indoctrination. I hated public school because I was bullied hard, and my lack of social skills and quirkiness didn't help, but no indocrintion happened. I was indoctrinated by church, though.

[@_rat_5758]

Yes! This!

[@SQUIDELIZA]

Even before I thought anything of family vloggers & watched them, the gymnastics & birth videos always made me feel SO uncomfy. Just personally, I can’t fathom doing that with my kids so I can’t help but judge when other people do. Idk, the birth thing is up to whoever gives birth, but the people who leave those videos fully graphic make me soooo uncomfy & I will fully judge when that is just an intro to a child as a character. If someone just wanted to post their video for them bc it made them feel strong & they wanted to share - truly more power to you. The issue for me lies when the child they just birthed is going to be an ongoing character in their roles as breadwinners of the family. I also wanna say that I did gymnastics, dance, ice skating, all the things when I was a kid but I feel like not posting that stuff is internet literacy 101. I don’t have much more to say about that, it feels like a given, and it feels like people who do that WANT their kids to be exploited bc they have to know better.

[@kinsleywalker6412]

can i say that it’s nice to have someone talk about this that was also in the fan base?? thank you

[@dylantd9189]

My family were really close with our neighbours, and their youngest was 14 years older than me, so she would babysit us from a young age. I never had any "relationship" chats with her, but my younger sister did, and she is definitely a really close person in my life. I don't think JoJo having a close relationship with the Ballingers is necessarily a bad thing.

[@RynDummer]

I think it is kind of odd, but it’s not super inappropriate

[@dylantd9189]

@@RynDummer I think it very much depends on the situation. I don't know how close JoJo's family was to Colleen, or whether JoJo would just be dropped off there randomly. Also I'm not sure how the relationship started .. like was it a longterm thing and they ended up bonding like sisters, or did it start out as a professional collaboration? I think Grooming is disgusting but there is a grey area. Since for something to be considered grooming there needs to be that "plan for sexual encounter". But how do you prove that? Also it's damaging to insinuate all adult to teenage relationships are inappropriate 🤷🏼. I just hope that JoJos parents were at least aware of the situation at hand and she had a safe space to talk to if she was feeling uncomfortable

[@karaleigh_eva]

I think an adult-teenager relationship crosses free boundary into inappropriate if the adult treats the teenage as if they’re a peer. This isn’t grooming, and I do agree that calling EVERHTHING that’s inappropriate grooming does more harm than good. But divulging your marital or emotional problems onto a teenager, talking about your sex life, gossiping, wanting to know about their sex lives - things like that are just plain wrong and I think show an immense level of immaturity from the adult in question.

[@dylantd9189]

@@karaleigh_eva I think it can be hard. Like what if you have siblings? You stop once you become an adult? I don't think that applies to Colleen/JoJo cause I don't think they've known eachother that long. Yeah I think at most it should be a one way conversation. Be there to listen & give advice, but not to probe. I work with teenagers, and it can be hard. Because sometimes you want to use your experience to relate to the kids so they feel less alone. But you have to know what's appropriate to share. (I've never shared anything personal. The most I said was in response to some teen boys saying they felt pressured to get girlfriends/start dating, and I said I didn't have a GF in HS or most of my early adult life, and it's okay to wait until you're ready). Some might say that's inappropriate, but I try to put my feet in Coleen's shoes, as she likely had/has a closer relationship with JoJo than I do with these teens. Sometimes those boundaries are blurred if everyone (including the other adults in the situation) are feeling comfortable. Ultimately if JoJo & her family are fine with the situation I don't think we/the internet really should be judging tbh.

[@Sina8Hajarat]

you should check out the sacconejolys

[@galaxypumpkin38]

I know this has nothing to do with Colleen but you mentioning oovoo sent me back so far 😭😭

[@margonaut]

KZbin is complicit & they need to ban family channels

[@marleyvandenbosch1306]

I don’t know if it’s fair to say all large families are bad.

[@Boom.Roasted-e1c]

7:36 I’m confused, Colleen literally reacted to herself being inappropriate and disgusting and uploaded it to the internet and nobody saw anything wrong with that?!?! Smh 🤦‍♀️

[@Queen_Drew]

As someone who grew up in a large Mormon family with 6 kids, I will say that its not always bad to have a lot of kids. My oldest brother was rarely, if ever, left to act as a pseudo-parent for the rest of us, and my parents worked hard to make sure that we all felt like we had adequate time and attention. We are all super close because we spent a lot of time together. I do think there are things that maybe could have been better, but I am happy with how my life turned out.

[@renzocheesman6844]

I have no idea who any of these people are but ive been seeing their videos in an instagram cringe account and i find them so creepy, like they definitely have a body in the basement

[@ABeautfulMess]

It infuriates me when they have a baby for clicks...oh viewership is going down, knock me up..😮

[@bedtimepoet]

i remember from when i watched their channel, that the ballinger kids weren't allowed to eat sugar or something like that, which is a small thing but like, NO SUGAR????

[@Supersoccerchic]

That's ridiculous. Also, no kid can survive without a little sugar. It's just like those pictures of kids who ate "no sugar" and they look amazing with clear skin and look good. That's not a "no sugar" lifestyle at all. If you don't eat any type of sugar, you'll soon die. We need sugar to live.

[@brianna3785]

I used to be into her videos because I was previously into Joey Grasepha (?) and he did videos with her. She just seemed nice and funny, wholesome… looking back absolutely not. Glad I got out before it got even worst.

[@yikesgina]

Joey Graceffa 😂❤️ - he’s a man w/o drama.

[@amay4203]

Colleen’s take is INSANE. Creeps being able to watch the gross content WITHOUT ads is the worlds worst take

[@amay4203]

I grew up in a big family. It’s just not possible to meet that many kids emotional or developmental needs

[@catalina9844]

Great analysis

[@judeweyland5493]

i learned the word queef from ms ballinger at the ripe old age of nine and i have a vivid memory of my aunt bursting out in laughter at me asking her what it meant 😭

[@makleake6156]

Miranda Sings content seems very Dan Schneider adjacent to me

[@amay4203]

I can’t believe anyone still follows these people

[@_rat_5758]

3:13 HOLY CRAP THIS BROIGJT BACK MEMORIES

[@elysealarie7316]

What do you mean the buddy system is gross I would much rather hold my little sister hand than to have to wait around for my mom and Dad to find her for hours because she got lost daydreaming in the middle of Disneyland 12:57

[@danixxgreen]

The buddy system, commonly heard about in the Duggar family, is taking care of your baby sibling's every need, even though you may only be 6 years old yourself. It includes bathing, clothing, feeding, etc. It can be common in families where the parent doesn't have enough bandwidth to do all of this themself. I wish it was just holding their hand at Disneyland.

[@lovehearts2525]

❤

[@kenziehurlock]

I watch Colleen cuz I think her kids are cute and she seems nice. We all have our issues. No one is perfect. I'm not saying she's not at fault. But her brother's family has always weirded me out. They have way too many children and they home school all of them. I did always think it was weird how Colleen and Jojo knew eachother. She was a child and Colleen was in her late 20s I think when they met. Really odd.

[@ashcarriee]

Ok but homeschooling is not like you describe, my kids get tons of interaction with kids in a more organic environment than school. And public school is the definition of indoctrination. The freedom homeschooling allows is so much greater than any public school could offer

[@keeperofthe7keys1987]

So you’re saying the public school system isn’t indoctrinating children? But home schooling is? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@wickywickyjoka]

No. That is not how logic works. She only meant what she actually said. We don't determine what people mean by what they DIDN'T say. If I say I like apples, it does not mean I don't like oranges. If I say that a stable home creates well rounded citizens, I do not mean that an unstable home creates criminals. If I say that church is indoctrinating, it does not mean that I believe a cult promotes free thinking. What she said was, that keeping her in private setting at home "MAY HAVE" (that's important too. MAY does not mean DEFINITELY) created a lack of social experience necessary to navigate social situations. And that suppressing your child from contacting outside opinions MAY be an indication of indoctrination.

[@hannibanani029]

I'm not sure you have a good grasp on what indoctrination means. Public schools are physically incapable of indoctrinating children, because anything they teach can be criticized and/or refuted by the parents/family of the student. Indoctrination requires teaching without allowing criticism or questioning of what is being taught. Homeschooling, combined with limiting the scope of your children's social interactions outside of the family, can easily indoctrinate. It doesn't have to, as long as the parents are committed to their children learning about a wide range of beliefs and worldviews, but this frequently does not happen, thus the criticism in the video.

[@entransify]

I was in public school K-12 and was never indoctrinatinated by it. My only issues were being relentlessly bullied. I was, however, indoctrinated by church and i was quite sheltered as a result.

[@waterbird1998]

No they’re not!

[@bigfatjuicyearthworm]

You're in denial

[@krisgamingscienceandfun4338]

theyer not what