The WICKED Likability Politics of Being a Pop Girly

[@SECRETGRAVlTY]

As a lesbian Latina who is a fan of Chappell, i will say she has benefitted a bit from white privilege- her whiteness beenfits her and she would be getting so much more hate had she been a woc. Look at the hate Rachel Ziegler got for being 'rude' versus Chappell. HOWEVER that doesn't undermine the discrimination she already faces. So much of the hate train against her has stemmed from lesbiphobia- the amount of people who call her the d word is crazyyyy.

[@lanislens]

you're absolutely right!

[@el972]

I mean much of the hate train against Chappell is also misogyny, as it is with any woman that’s a public figure

[@Definitelynotabot4]

Though I don't disagree with you however I think Chappel Roan is receiving MASSIVE hate like all over for supporting Trans rights,being openly queer and openly pro Palestine (which are all amazing things btw) so she has homophobes, pro Israel and like all other groups banning together to hate her.

[@chappellroanplsgotomanilaibeg]

And the most obvious one is her being vocal about anti-genocide. That combo made Zionists mad, starting smear campaign and twisting her every words.

[@periodt87]

I agree but I don’t believe someone can only benefit “a bit” from white privilege. Like if you’re white you benefit period.

[@Neshyenyuh]

Sabrina and chappel are opposites in a way and are both getting hate, sabrina is getting hate for being boring, inauthentic. Grown in a lab, while chappel is hated for being opinionated, not keeping too much to herself, its like you can never satisfy people. No matter what you do, they will find something bad to say abour you

[@BocchiSite]

Theres literally no way of winning

[@LogarAcc]

Can women do ANYTHING without getting hate for it? We're merely existing as free humans (we still don't have full human rights) and people get annoyed for even existing on social media. A look at any viral video featuring a woman and the comments is enough to understand there are still many people who just hate us. I'm so sick and tired of it.

[@hobasakaw]

Fym grown in lab. Girl being doing ts for 10 years

[@Neshyenyuh]

@@hobasakaw they meant grown in a lab in the sense where she doesn't sound authentic. Like she is concealing who she is and being fake and everything, hence why i said that the hate she is getting is the opposite of chappels, the haters want her to be more authentic, but when chappel does it, its apparently also bad and she neads to tame it down. That's what i meant by saying that the hate they are getting is opposite, meaning you can never satisfy people

[@alishamertelus1340]

Sabrina and Chappell are literally hated for no reason. People ask for popstars and then do anything to bring them down when they're rising

[@demigod777]

literally tyla too

[@littlebigbunnyrabbit9520]

Some people just like hating on things because it's popular 🤷

[@LogarAcc]

@@littlebigbunnyrabbit9520 especially female popstars

[@mudd8109]

Uhm sabrina is hated for being a homewrecker & then mocking the woman she hurt. At least chappel is talented & true to herself. Sab is basic at best

[@Mtv20O1]

@@mudd8109 homewrecker who’s man did she steal? Last time I checked she dates people’s exes but did not wreck any homes.

[@i_think_i_am_lost]

I think a misconception people have on Sabrina is that she appeared overnight. She's been in for a decade with music and in the acting business since she was a child. She has seen other artists get torn apart for being too accessible and giving themselves too much to the public. The whole drama with Oliva was insane and proved that point even more. After that kind of harassment, why would anyone want to be overly open again? So, of course, she's gonna keep a professional distance. That's just common sense. I don't know much about Chappelle, the songs i have heard, I do enjoy, but i haven't gone out of my way to look into her, so i can't say anything other than i wish her well and hope she has a successful career. And i do look forward to exploring more of her music in time. But this whole idea that it has to be one or the other is just hateful to women in general. More than one woman is ALLOWED to be successful at a time. This fake competition thing is so stupid. Let them both do their thing and stop these weird comparisons that only encourage people to hate on them.

[@heavelywilson3]

ik its like ppl are SCARED of women becoming successful

[@Grace-uj8ue]

if I read your comment right and you feel like its sexist, the video isnt about pitting both against each other but the sustainability of their approah to fame

[@ChappellsDaughter]

Chappell's authenticity and the unfair treatment she's been receiving just made me support her even more.

[@djadelaney]

Yeah! The video pointing out that even as she's trying to set real boundaries she's intensifying the parasociality by talking to us from her bedroom, no make up 😭 I'm worried for her, tbh. She's so amazing and talented and unprepared for this level of scrutiny

[@nununa7963]

Yes it was very unfair that people just didn't understand and were mad at her for cancelling a concert less than 24h before

[@djadelaney]

@@nununa7963 perfectly reasonable to be upset but also she's just a person, who is clearly struggling

[@Cass-so8uj]

Wow I’m hella early. I like Chappell Roan bc she’s very direct and honest. I can relate to her and the “hate” is so stupid to me tbh.

[@Mtv20O1]

As a fan of both girlies. They both are considered unlikable imo and I don’t understand why. For Chappell, her comments get misconstrued so much. When she fought hard to put boundaries, she was crucified for it. As for Sabrina, while she is not very opinionated with her beliefs, there are tons who wish for her downfall. Recently, I saw people calling her a stripper and prostitute for her wardrobe choices on her tour. People criticizing her saying she is promoting CP and is only popular for her looks. I don’t understand why there is such a hatred for them. While I do think there are times where positive criticism is necessary, there are ways to share your opinion without being an asshole. People want new pop girls but then when we get them, y’all drag them to filth.

[@lalisakim5786]

SPEAKKKK IT🎤🎤

[@gcx4892]

WTH??? I'm so glad I'm not on twitter, accusing Sabrina of CP is crazy

[@Mtv20O1]

@@gcx4892 I’m not on twitter so don’t know what they think about over there. I am guessing they think similarly. But, these comments I saw on Reddit. They aren’t big fans over there. I get not liking her music but they accuse her of some horrendous things.

[@Kolya-chu]

I did not see those accusations against Sabrina. I’m glad I didn’t!

[@JellyOnAPancakeAyyyy]

Jealousy

[@cherryprincess5396]

I will stand by Chappell, the treatment she has received from the public just goes to show we as fans and general public lie when we say we want authentic/raw/real celebrities, what we want is an illusion of realness and act disgusted and annoyed when a celebrity shows in real time the ugly side of fame (similar on how everyone turned their backs on Britney while she was having a meltdown in front of hundreds of cameras)

[@gisela_oliveira]

I mean... i dont want "real/raw celebrities". I want them to make their art and be greatfull of their oportunities and aware of their privilleges and also, i want them to realize they chose this life knowing how it is

[@GrinningLikeaDelicateJamesDean]

@@gisela_oliveira she consistently thanks her fans and the queer/trans community. She has always been open about how she owes her success to them. That was literally the entirety of her vma speech smh Also, it doesn’t matter if “it comes with the job”. All she does is assert her boundaries, criticize stan culture, criticize paparazzi and people attack her because they feel called out. Like did we not learn anything from Christina Gimmie, Amy Winehouse, Britney Spears, etc. Stop defending weird people lol

[@karacausey8953]

girl, this is a GENIUS way to explain this phenomenon! you deserve wayy more subs. keep it up🫶🏾🫶🏾

[@lanislens]

thank youuu!

[@debatable98]

I’ve been a Sabrina fan for half my life, ie her entire music career and I think one of the reasons I love her most is how carefully she managed her image. I see a lot of comments about how un-relatable and cookie-cutter perfect she seems but that’s never been how I see it. From what I’ve seen of her, she’s a moral, kind person and I have consistently enjoyed her music for a decade now. I respect her passion, drive and artistry, especially her concepts. To me, she manages her image the way a lot of my favourite current and past actors do. With carefulness. I respect people who get online and make their views and beliefs known. But I can also respect those who have the privilege to keep their cards close to their chest and do so. The internet has a long memory, I don’t blame Sabrina for wanting control of what goes on there. It’ll likely be what maintains both her career and personal happiness in the end.

[@_Arsenic_]

LOVED the wicked analogy to explain this likeability dilemma!!

[@xrubyxlightx]

I listen to both girls but I gotta admit: I am more emotionally drawn towards Chappell and her music

[@lanislens]

me too!

[@blaquelightning6149]

@@lanislens explains the inaccuracies

[@joxiejoxie6457]

@@blaquelightning6149 and then you don't explain at all

[@SomeRandomNewsiesFan]

THE THUMBNAIL REMINDED ME OF WICKED SO I WATCHED IT AND YOU MENTIONED IT AND NOW IM SO HAPPY

[@midnight6994]

IT'S BEAUTIFUL OMG

[@SomeRandomNewsiesFan]

@@midnight6994 IKRRRR

[@mauve9266]

As much as I’ve seen people hate on Chappell for some of her recent behaviour, I can’t help but think long term this will all further endear her to her fans. I’m almost more worried about Sabrina cos I think it’s easy for people to just view her very basically as calculated and inauthentic and boring and while I’m sure it’s the better option for her mental health, I wonder if it’ll actually make her appear unlikable to people who crave ‘rawness’ and ‘relatability’ and a felt sense of authenticity. Like it’s not enough to actually be authentic sometimes cos the distance undermines it for some people. The authenticity has to be performed a certain way too.

[@gisela_oliveira]

this problem is just because some people feel the need to idolize a celebrity. I like Sabrina, like her songs, her aesthetic, her videoclips... I also like that she is quiet and is focusing on her music instead of yelling at people. The more noise a person makes, the less i like them. Why would you want to "relate" to somone who's life is clearly so far from your reality? I prefer to relate to youtubers because they are closer to having a normal life, while celebrities are in another level

[@pulvermosis]

This was a great and thought-provoking video. I do think it comes across as criticizing Chappell Roan a little much tho, would've loved to see this video be rounded out by underlining the moral of Wicked, which is of course that just because we, the public, see someone a certain way doesn't mean we know what's going on behind the scenes. Both Glinda and Elphaba are put in the position where they have to choose between their dreams/status and their personal morals. Glinda chooses her image and Elphaba chooses her beliefs, but both women end up not truly getting what they wanted.

[@Omarapolloismyhusband]

I think you make some great points but I think someone like Olivia Rodrigo is a more accurate comparison to Glenda within current pop girls. Whereas Sabrina's a bit more chaotic good and is somewhere between Glenda and Elphaba. Sabrinas had a lot of controversies over the years and has poked fun at them in her music and branding. From being sued in 2017 and making a song about it, to being called a "homewrecker and a "slut" by the general public and reclaiming those words for her song "because I liked a boy" and making merch out of it, to being criticized by Christian's for filming feather in a church and then addressing the controversy online and at Coachella by saying and wearing a shirt that says "Jesus was a carpenter." Whereas, Olivias a lot more refrained when it comes to addressing controversy. Also I disagree about Sabrina not having a polarizing image. I actually think quite the opposite. Her image is constantly being dissected either for being too "male gazy" or too hyper sexual. Whereas Olivia Rodrigo is praised for her very relatable and accessible look, Sabrina's look is much more camp, she wears heavy makeup, big fluffy hair and is not one to shy away from embracing her sensuality. Almost more so like Chappell actually just less drag inspired.

[@Molly_TaylorsVersion_]

Well, I think she means Sabrina’s look is much more trendy and obsessed by compared to anyone else. Like how many times have you opened tiktok and seen “getting the Sabrina carpenter haircut” and it’s just big blonde blown out hair with bangs. Or Sabrina carpenter makeup and it’s just glowy makeup with extra blush. Without a doubt her look is very loved by everyone and you can’t argue with that.

[@Molly_TaylorsVersion_]

I think Sabrina 100% is more a Glenda than Olivia lol. Olivia’s in her own category, as her rise to success was MUCH different. A better comparison would be Olivia to Billie as they have had similar career rises.

[@leyehwilliams617]

Just because Sabrina gets backlash over dumb stuff a lot compared to olivia doesn’t mean Glenda fits olivia more. Personality wise Sabrina is glenda. People feel sympathy towards olivia because they can relate more while people relate less with sabrina so they sympathize less and other words when Sabrina blow up she had a tainted image as a “boyfriend stealer bully” so she was off the bat villainize and for olivia she was labeled as the “sweet young girl that got her heart broken by her cheater ex boyfriend”

[@blaquelightning6149]

@@Molly_TaylorsVersion_ you realize that just because you claim it's only regular bangs and makeup doesn't mean it has nothing to do with sabrina's influence right? she does in fact have distinct bangs and makeup. otherwise it wouldn't have become so recognizable and trend so much as you say it does out of bitterness.

[@blaquelightning6149]

@@Molly_TaylorsVersion_ "glenda" isn't a pop star. bringing billie into it is also stupid as hell because this isn't about career trajectories but how they both handle their fame. even by these standards, olivia wouldn't fit elphaba because nothing that she's doing is on the level of chappell's current outspokenness that's gotten her rejected at an early stage of her career.

[@Ari.K99]

I don't get peoples obsession with an artists personal life. I love both Chappell and Sabrina, but I do not care to know who they are as people, I genuinely have better things to do. Obviously if I come across an artist being extremely unreasonable in their work setting maybe we shouldn't give them our money. But nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes, why are public people held to such an unattainable standard when nobody else is? I think we should care more about politicians and who we are genuinely letting dictate our lives over a little emotional songwriter.

[@lavrise116]

girllll the quality of these videos deserves way more subs

[@lanislens]

thanks babe!

[@technojunkie123]

Oh you ate with comparing Chappell & Sabrina to Wicked, especially with using Chappell’s green painted outfit from her Gov Ball performance 🤩

[@jvever4904]

Great video! The differences between the two as pop stars is obvious, especially using the Wicked analogy. As a low income mentally ill lesbian, who had to do a lot of her own branding by herself, Chappell Roan really is the underdog and feels much more raw than a millionaire pop star who's had Disney money and a good PR team like Sabrina Carpenter.

[@dalniente2020]

Even if there are folks who Chappell rubbed the wrong way(for ridiculous reasons IMO), I personally get it I love her even more for it. It has also put her even more in the forefront than a lot of other pop girlies rn. I think the issue is that, as you said, people want “real” celebrities but we don’t know how to handle someone being SOOO real because we’re so used to “real” being a curated image. We need people like her to push the boundaries though or else we’re stuck with the “authenticity” that we have now for god knows how long.

[@Kalitayy]

Idk but when I listened to Sabrina's album, it sounded so.. normal. Like, she's a pop girly built and grown in a lab. No hate on her, but her music isn't for me. However, we need stars like her because we can't expect everyone to be "music nerds". Chappell's music on the other hand, felt refreshing. Everything about her feels human. She's everything the mainstream would hate: someone who used her talents to get from the bottom to the top. The industry is upset that a "normal" person could stand next to the star they manufactured. They hate her because she's winning the rigged game in which she was supposed to lose. I'm not a pop fan, but recent alternative pop releases such as TRAFOAMP, Brat, and Imaginal Disk made me excited and optimistic about the future of the genre.

[@Lostbeams]

Finally someone knows imaginable disk, I love Magdalena bay🪐❤

[@themarshmallowconnoisseur41]

Sabrina won’t last if she makes music like Katy Perry that is too generic. Even Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift had more interesting songs and personality when they at her stage.

[@makayla03333]

You do not have to bring one woman down to uplift another…chappell and sabrina are actually FRIENDS, and chappell would hate this ignorant comment. You aren’t “supporting” her by slamming other female pop stars. Both of them have been working in the industry for over 10 years and have worked hard to get famous, Sabrina is not “manufactured”, she’s a versatile artist who makes Pop with influences of Country and R&B. Just because her music isn’t for you, doesn’t mean she’s an industry plant. and you aren’t special for not listening to pop music, the “i’m not like other girls” in this comment is very cringe.

[@crayonburry]

I don’t find Sabrina’s music “normal”, I just think she plays on the oldies in a honorable way, the same as her wardrobe really. It doesn’t sound like everything else playing right now, but it does sound like the things we have heard before. Much like Mariah Carey’s chimes.

[@erinandthe1580]

Sabrina is doing it on purpose. It’s more explicitly a gimmick when Chapelle Roan does it because she has a whole drag persona, but Sabrina is messing with her audience. Think of the tone change between this album and her last. Nonsense was big, and it was jokey song that was quite on the nose so she made a whole album of the same sound. She’s not Katy Perry, who still struggles to make any music with a personal message

[@WuraAlabi]

Totally agree. Chappel is much more candid, while Sabrina feels more calculated and intentional.

[@Divine5555-n7t]

You helped me so much in life with this perspective. I think I was more like Sabrina but even more “polished” that I looked so inauthentic and was. I had so much guilt that I decided to swing the other way, towards Chappell Roan. I’m not famous at all, but I think public persona in general, especially as a non man, should be seen through this lens. Also, are those ur real eyes or are they contacts? U have such big irises omg they’re beautiful

[@lanislens]

I'm so happy this resonated with you! And these are my real eyes lol, thank you!

[@Divine5555-n7t]

@@lanislens WHAT. NO WAY BABE. YOUR EYES ARE STUNNING.

[@AlexCanDoThat]

this is so organized and well planned, what an amazing deep dive, great work, truely

[@aza.zipppp]

I came just to say ur thumbnail ate good lord this was amazing

[@Marie78173]

This is just the cycle of being a pop girl, get loved and then hated on and it goes in circle. Sabrina already a massive hate train back in the day, chappell we saw, and sabrina is starting to get hated on again. That's just how people are and it's ugly. As much as I love chappell being outspoken, her team isn't helping her word her words well and it comes across badly for people that don't make the effort to understand. And down the line for her mental health she should go down the reclusive route and just say no to interviews cause rn she's too overexposed and anything she says is posted and taken out of context

[@Ma5jay5dontxdoxthat]

I do love Chappell Roan actual authenticity, and I wish we could see it more. The careful curation of Sabrina is boring and off-putting because its too manufactured, BUT it is necessary. We can't expect every person to be good people. We can't expect people to do the right thing. As much as we would all love for people to treat other with respect and like they are people, parasocial relationships are crazy and scary. People's entitlement of others' bodies and time is scary and crazy. Sabrina Carpenter's curated personality and attention is does breeds longevity to her career, and it is necessary to keep people at arms length without feeling too cold. Chappell is too personal and too raw for someone who has at least a few million eyes watching her, and the fact that she does do this mainly on her own without the help of a pr team does feel like her career would last long. Not because she's not good at being an artist.She's amazing, but she already deals with mental health struggles, like bipolar and depression. Being the level of fame and in the career she is in, those aren't helping those struggles. Her struggles are, in fact, now deemed less because she is making more money and is famous. We see it every time anyone famous comes out with the fact they do have depression. They get shit on "because they are rich and famous, there is nothing to be 'sad' about." For lack of better terms, she does need to get her shit together. For her safety, not just her mental safety and career safety, but her general safety, including her life. It's not just Hollywood that was to take advantage of her, but her fans do as well. As much as we say we want more authentic celebrities, we have seen many many times why that will always be to the detriment to the celebrities.

[@blaquelightning6149]

if you've spent any time paying attention to sabrina's career, you'd know that her personality is authentic. she doesn't have to be speaking to you with unbrushed teeth for her to be authentic. she's always been the same person. not sure what's supposed to be boring or offputting. unless you're implying she needs to be ugly in order to be taken seriously.

[@artistically_pain3876]

@@blaquelightning6149No it’s not that. I get what they’re saying. She’s not as intimate and she doesn’t get as close to her audience

[@tacocat9844]

as a teenage girl who loves listening to both but is not like obsessed i had no clue both of them were facing back lash lmao

[@Kolya-chu]

I hope Sabrina doesn’t wade into politics. I know I’m supposed to want everyone to use their platform, but I think we have so many celebrity endorsements this year. I think we’re good 🫣. I love the escape she provides. I love Popular. And I think of that John Mulaney line a lot.

[@iryna1722]

I agree that if they've nothing to say, they should stay quiet. Cos Jared Leto made himself look like a dimwit when he recently supported russians on his concert in Belgrad and called their invasion in Ukraine 'just problems' that are ought to end. Could you imagine a backlash he and his band received after that?

[@blaquelightning6149]

you're late. she already endorsed biden and kamala in 2020.

[@MilaVgan]

'we're good' are you kidding me? You think the world doesn't need people with a platform speaking up on a GENOCIDE and you know awful things like that??

[@graceepge2521]

Not everyone's personality or branding is the same. Sabrina always tries to avoid drama, so it's just all their own persona. So hating any of them is unnecessary

[@blaquelightning6149]

sabrina quite literally can't escape drama so i'm not sure why this type of revisionism is happening. even if she's staying silent people will always throw her into shit.

[@ggcntrl]

i do love chappell and how she pushes against the grain but sometimes I feel like she can reduce reacting to people who misinterpret her or disagree and allow others to have their own opinion. also someone mentioned chappell still has the white privileged and I couldn’t agree more. Even when she mispronounced a woman of color’s name and mostly bipoc were pointing it out, white chappell fans started victimizing her and infantilizing her even - like ppl think she’s in her early 20s even tho she’s 26

[@heroicaIT]

Great vid! I haven't thought about the Wicked comparison - that's just perfect.

[@lanislens]

Glad you liked it!

[@Tirrrb]

This becoming one of my favorite channels rq lmao

[@lanislens]

🤭 truly an honor!

[@WuraAlabi]

Ouuuu thought: i feel like a LOT of artists, especially mainstream, do have public personas, including Sabrina, but just do not publicly acknowledge or vocalize the distinction between the "real them" and their persona. Kind of like this open air secret, its canon, but we dont address/talk about it. I feel like very few artists now live and breathe as their art (fka twigs, billie eilish, melanie martinez) and most have public personas that are exaggerated versions of themselves (sabrina, lana del rey, etc.) And someone like chappel roan as well, only she publicly seperates or distinguishes between Chappel and Kayley which adds to the conflict of how to relate to her when she is all over social media as Kayley but only wants to be addressed when shes Chappel.

[@patiencejewel]

I really hope that Chappell becomes the future. She is making conscious choices. She is not in this for the long haul -- she wants to be an art therapist when she's ready to leave her current job. As a result, we are gifted with someone who is so real and raw and brave that she is not just entertaining people but changing and saving lives. She thinks it's worth it. I hope that Chappell finds a way to find balance with what she does which might be getting on a better record label, but if not, there will be more Chappells in the future because people increasingly see through capitalism, particularly corporate capitalism and its inherent exploitation and are creating healthier choices for themselves. Even though they might make less money., people who are looking to operate as much outside corporatencapitalism as they can are happier and less stressed -- they are more fully alive, and that's what we see with Chappell. In contrast, Sabrina is yet another young person whose youth was shaped by Disney. Disney kids are notorious for having split lives: good girls or boys in front of the camera and extra naughty or just disressed behind the scenes. I believe people can feel the difference -- most of us know how it feels to have to supress part of themselves at work. Chaos is a part of life that is more problematic when you supress it -- and you can't just get rid of it. Chappell allows a little chaos to come out and I celebrate the freedom and realness of those moments. TO me, those moments are necessary if you want to grow and become more fully alive. A life of control means you are pushing a lot of your experiences and feelings under the rug and that's not healthy for anyone, perhaps especially an artist, because it diminishes and clogs the flow of one's art.

[@andreajade524]

the hate on both is mostly from twitter and tiktok folks and it’s so stupid to the point that facebook people, even if they’re not fans, made surprisingly mature and supportive comments. that’s how you know how ridiculous the hate was.

[@emansayeddd]

love your take on this - keep going girl xx

[@zozoaimelespatates]

I really love the way you disect both of their way of handling fame, especilaly Chappell Roan, without bringing them down. Chappell is being so much critized on social media for wanting her boundaries being respect, and I feel like it's so unfair : but I do think you're right on the fact she should learn to be less vulnerable with fans in which you can find a portion who don't make the difference between her and her persona.

[@crashb800]

In the realm of pop stars, I really like that Chappel Roan exists even though her rawness might not be a good strategy for her long term. She really forces you to question the mechanics of how celebrity works. As for Sabrina, I think she seems cool too, but I would be interested in a comparison between Sabrina and some other stars. It seems to me like Sabrina gets way less backlash for wearing some sl*tty outfits than her non-white counterpoints. Note that I intend to use sl*tty as an entirely neutral descriptor, although I'm probably not the person who should use that word. It was simply the best word I could think of to describe the more sexual and sensual edge to some of her outfits.

[@blaquelightning6149]

How are Chappell's outfits any less "slutty" than Sabrina's? And what do you mean she's avoiding backlash?

[@Meowp2]

I agree sabrina would 100% recieve even worse hate and bullying if she was a woc but shes still dealing with A LOT of hate rn, if you've seen reddit and insta youll see sabrina gets BIIG backlash and is currently being accused of making borderline CP from being overly sexual, feminine, and short(??? Yeah ik very stupid), is constantly called a prostitute and a slut or just a "slag who sings" especially on her insta, and some parents are trying to make a lawsuit against her for being too sexual as well (which ofc likely won't go through) the point of my comment is that she's receiving more hate than you've probably seen so far

[@gisela_oliveira]

Sabrina seems like she either is a genius, or has a really good team with her. She has achieved fame without putting herself into a bad position, she seems to be having fun with her songs, performances, videoclips and life in general, because she keeps the balance. Chappell Roan, one the other hand, seems to be just "going with the flow" without proper training or preparation for what actually means to be famous. she looks like she wants to be a worldwide celebrity but keep the life of a simple youtuber/content creator known by just a few people, which is impossible.

[@novagray4143]

I think being a child star probably also better prepared her to some degree bc shes been famous in some way for so long that handling fan interactions doesnt seem as daunting

[@hanon6437]

WOW, this was such a creative video essay. My mind is blown.

[@CB-zr4et]

I’m your 999th subscriber congrats on almost 1k!! 💕

[@lanislens]

Yay! Thanks for subbing!

[@Octobris]

People would really benefit from leaving twitter and uninstalling it on all devices. I say this genuinely.

[@crystalcastillo7575]

Also i think that chappell's honesty and the fact that she's getting ahte from people strengthens her fanbase.. i mean look at the way nicki minaj's fans the barbz go especially hard for her after her "hate train" so this can totally work in chappell's favor.

[@greyee0005]

your point about her tiktok is completely true, if she wants to separate herself from the persona then she shouldn't make personal tiktok videos

[@mikamika8445]

Roans unlikebility for me is that instead of focusing to entertain everyone, she caters to someone that thinks like her only, because she is political she comes off as judgmental, when listening to her art, even though is good it still feels exclusive, to those that wouldn’t agree with her in every single political view she has. Her crying on live makes her seem unstable and immature, is ok to be emotional, she is an artist and is probably even easier to show emotion because how fans promote vulnerability, but to be impulsive is risky and can make you seem amateurish. To be reserved and fake are two different things, I think Carpenters team understands this notion.

[@spindledoesstuff7074]

This is my kind of commentary video

[@crystalcastillo7575]

I think that as we move more into the age of Aquarius, people will want to support celebrities that share the same values as them and that are “good people” so I think chappell is ahead of the curve however , since she is struggling with bipolar I don’t think that complete openness is safe for her mental health but career wise .. I don’t know .. maybe I’m bias but I think a lot of people respect more when someone says the opinion and stands 10 toes down on it.

[@rhettmitchell]

I think in both cases, it’s a lot of far right conservatives trying to knock down new pop girls purely just to be hateful. It’s 2 pop stars being themselves and not apologizing for it, and they’re mad about it. In Sabrina’s case, they’re mad at her genius lyrics that comment on her controversies with a sense of humor that makes them uncomfortable for… some reason. And also her fashion and especially tour wardrobe. They’re screaming “THINK OF THE CHILDREN” when Sabrina’s music is obviously explicit and they’re mad that younger people are at Sabrina’s shows. That’s not Sabrina’s fault, she’s not making music for children. These parents are bringing their kids to these shows counseling voluntarily In Chappell’s case, it’s a lot more obvious. She’s been LOUDLY advocating for trans rights & support for Palestine. They were just WAITING for Chappell to say something that they could misconstrue. And it’s not even just them, it’s also just random idiots online with no comprehension or critical thinking skills. Chappell said the most normal and real things on her TikTok, and people don’t like it bc she wasn’t presenting herself as a perfect, put-together pop star. Those, imo, are people that never really appreciated her in the first place. She said things that most young people now would agree with, so it’s very confusing. So many people are just calling her “annoying”, like she’s on your algorithm and you’re still looking at it. You did it to yourself. I’m also confused as to why a woman speaking up for herself for the first time is suddenly so annoying to them?? As if she’s not allowed to have outward emotions? People are literally making fun of her for opening up about her mental illness. They’re making fun of her for not wanting to be groped, kissed without consent, sexually assaulted, and stalked. She just wants to protect herself and her family

[@EmL-kg5gn]

I couldn’t agree more!!!! And I think I know why that humour would disturb them. My opinion, as someone who was one and someone who’s been abused by them, is that christian conservatives want people to fear criticism/controversy so that they can be made to conform. The (very) long explanation is below. They feel entitled to control by virtue of the correctness of their beliefs. Laughing controversy off is a refusal to be intimidated and give them that control. And an acceptance and comfort with mistakes is also very offensive to them! Partly because it shows them that being right doesn’t grant you authority over others but also because they’re so terrified of being wrong that anyone who laughs at their mistakes as part of learning and life sets that fear off. So they try to stabilise themselves, but not by controlling their own reaction or building tolerance. Due to the entitlement being “right” brings them they stabilise themselves by controlling the person who (often unknowingly) confronted them with their fear. They think correcting that person is mandated by God. They might see it as a righteous battle against sin/satan or as helping/encouraging that person, but either way they won’t be satisfied until the whole earth falls in line with their beliefs. Only then will the fear of hell stop chasing them because only then will they be safe from any differences that could prompt them to question their own correctness, if belief is what saves you from eternal torture any doubt is terrifying

[@ghostjam5984]

this is so unrelated but your makeup is so so cute 🫶🏻🫶🏻

[@blaquelightning6149]

Also adding that Sabrina has donated towards BLM, spoken about Palestine in 2021 and publicly donated, and her tour proceeds go to LGBTQ+ charities.

[@Goated_TheWeeknd]

14:20 THERE IS SO MANY POP STARS WHY DID YOU MENTION BEYONCE??? also thanks beyonce

[@stevenaddison3017]

Awesome review!

[@Borb_3]

Being vulnerable never works for a public figure. The world is so brutal to every little mistake you make.

[@jenjerenjen81]

Lowkey want this casting ngl

[@samtaylor4715]

8:30 I was really trying not to know what her real name is but go off 😭

[@leyehwilliams617]

I think sabrina carpenter is a very smart and very talented yet unserious woman. she’s really in control of her career and life people think it’s just PR which is partly true but also this is Sabrina work ethic and her determination. I see people saying sabrina “feels fake” and “unrealistic” “basic person” unlike chappell. sabrina knows she has power in her femininity and honesty with in her music she knows she’s making a impact she’ll admit when she’s insecure or feel less than. but she’s also confident and cocky she expresses this in her music/art. when she does a lot of people don’t like that especially the Internet she can’t satisfied everyone not everyone wants to be satisfied ppl just want to hate she knows that and you won’t see her on the internet having a mental breakdown or explain anything because she knows she’s not doing or have done anything wrong. Sabrina is protecting her peace and happiness and she doesn’t give af unless she benefits from it she’s the most realest diva

[@jafarrih]

I love Sabrina carpenter she’s really talking notes from beyonce on how not to be too accessible she incorporates goofyness and girl next door energy reminds me of Britney she has like the Britney appeal with the calculation curation and control of a Beyonce I love that so much she so sweet we get to see her be relatable yet in control on the other hand Chappelle reminds me of how I feel about Doja Cat like she was really cool at first I liked her interviews and her lgbtq+ advocacy her music is fresh take on the 80s pop sound which I love but it’s her views on fame and being in the limelight came off ungrateful and also hypocritically opening the door for parasocial relationships by over sharing then later complaining about it. A person who is an over sharer that actually doesn’t complain later is nicki minaj I would say she goes out her way to show her fans love and actually welcomes and feeds into parasocial relationship and uses it to her advantage.

[@lanislens]

this analysis is spot on!

[@jafarrih]

@@lanislens thanks I love your channel I feel privileged to be able to witness it in its beginning stages you’re gonna go far you’re well spoken you get to the point the videos are the perfect length just under the 20 min mark and you have interesting topics I am an avid consumer of celebrity tea pages and your channel is like that but it is less biased and it prepossess thought provoking think pieces that we can use in our everyday life 🫶🏽

[@lanislens]

that means so much to me, ty ❤

[@radrabbit6946]

Madonna

[@barakito]

Honestly I don't get why Chappell Roan is suddenly being called rude now, maybe it's because I'm on twitter less and less these days. Last thing I remember she was trying to set boundaries because some fan is being too creepy and parasocial. Are celebrities supposed to be your friends or something? Don't really get it

[@djadelaney]

Sabrina comes from a background that got her on Disney - idk the details, but that's a type of industry knowledge that definitely determined her approach. Chappell has had to forge her own way in a world where truly social media is why we know her - Sabrina is like every other Disney-pop girly in that she didn't need social media to create her career, she had the "traditional" routes on lock. I feel so bad for Chappell, trying to balance talent and fame and mental illness with "how to exist on the internet". Thanks for this video, I wasn't thinking about the contradiction in "don't parasocial me!" while disheveled in her bedroom. I bet that hasn't occurred to her either 😭 I hope she stays safe.

[@blaquelightning6149]

Disney literally didn't help Sabrina with a single thing

[@djadelaney]

@@blaquelightning6149 ... they put her on TV as a child and presumably paid her or her parents, and then that money and knowledge of the entertainment industry and how to be famous helped her make music. nothing shameful or bad about that

[@jafarrih]

You’re doing amazing sweetie 🫶🏽

[@NotWaffleRoblox]

I'm a new fan!

[@breet9499]

if chappell has no defenders im probably dead

[@kevinc4392]

U fr gave her stats😂 but it's kinda true tho w industry branding lol nowadays u need a whole character profile to blow up

[@xaviertaylor-d5m]

Awesome video

[@BriexCrystalgirly]

I see what you where doing in the thumbnail girly 🔥🔥🔥

[@carougartelive]

Sabrina's raise to the mainstream can be explained very simply: Taylor Swift.

[@bubmins]

good stuff 👍🏽 subscribing :))

[@Sweetsophya]

I love this video and I am about to watch more!!! I think your channel is going to blow up, this honestly was such a good video, better than D' Angelos and better than most of the people that claim that their job is to do exactly what you are doing in this video. I cannot wait to see more from you!!!💗💗💗

[@lanislens]

Thank you so much!!

[@ZerrieKnox]

This comment section is just filled with people who don't like/respect women lol

[@lanislens]

wait where? i'm genuinely confused because i don't see any like that.

[@idontknowanymore7689]

Later on, people gain more respect for those who speak out and are vocal, I mean look back at our Icons and see how many of them are outspoken.

[@adityasarvankar4168]

Good observation fr

[@stephen_dmg2003]

this is exactly why i like chappel and i DONT like sabrina. i don't want a role model or some perfectly curated example of the cookie cutter pop star. i want a raw, and REAL artist who stands for something. who isn't afraid to tarnish her image or be vulnerable for her fans because THATS what makes an impact, especially for queer people who feel alienated by the heteronormativity of the pop scene. we gravitate towards messy, raw, real people because that's who society leaves behind, just like us. we like to feel understood by the people we give our money to

[@caitlingill]

I like Sabrina and her music but there's nothing standoutish about her personality. She can still be girly and have opinionated beliefs but she doesn't? I'm not asking her to be a full on political activist at all, but yeah. I don't consider her a role model because she has no edge or quirks or badassery that I personally admire. A girly girl can still be badass and quirky, look at Elle Woods from Legally Blonde. My fave role model for me right now is Hayley Williams from the band Paramore, she loves fashion and makeup and also stands up for womens rights, LGBT issues, and black issues, despite being a straight and white. She rocks out on stage and makes no apologies for it. I also say there's a difference between a perfect pop star vs a pop artist with a punk/rock personality. Sabrina is the former and Chappell is the latter.

[@blaquelightning6149]

@@caitlingill sabrina's already spoken and spread awareness about her beliefs. you're just late.

[@blaquelightning6149]

sabrina isn't perfectly curated or silent on what she believes in. you're just new.

[@lilies2746]

sabrina isn’t some “cookie cutter pop star”, she’s been in the music industry since the 2010s and always faced the brunt of hatred (the most notable was w the whole olivia rodrigo fiasco) so obviously she’s going to hold back in terms of being vulnerable. just because YOU only heard of her recently doesn’t mean that she’s any less authentic. istg you [people are incapable of supporting one woman w out insulting another, sabrina and chappell are literally friends and she wouldn’t feel flattered by your comment

[@forevermore13]

@@lilies2746 Literally 😭 The indirect Sabrina hate in some of the comments of this video is crazy.

[@chicbate]

New sub thanks!

[@jessicalister2045]

wowowow i love this

[@ijomi]

subbed !

[@s.ourstiles]

you’re definitely leaving out a big portion of what sabrina went through in 2021. she was not controlling the narrative at all during that fiasco, her name was dragged through the mud for a year with words like homewrecker and slut being thrown at her, even being slut shamed on national television. it wasn’t as cut and dry as you’re making it seem. she spent a long time trying to fix her image and to finally be able to control how the public perceived her, and trying to separate herself from either of the people involved. it really wasn’t until the next year when her album came out that she was able to gain any semblance of control in her own narrative, and even then, it was a very slow and gradual thing. the general public really didn’t even start to take her seriously, and they didn’t begin to view her as her own separate artist away from the drama that happened in 2021, until after she opened up for the era’s tour and clips of that + nonsense and feather went viral. it took a good year and a half for her to gain any control in the way people viewed and respected her as a person/artist.

[@lanislens]

My intention was not to diminish the hate Sabrina got. It was undeniably awful. In this video, I was more so focusing on her response to the hate because that's what she could control and I thought it'd be interesting to contrast with Chappell because they were the complete opposite. Her response to the hate was calculated and polished. any breakdowns or moments of vulnerability she had were behind the scenes, not public, which i believe helped her recovery in the long run like you mentioned.

[@Mpxyzm2by]

Love ur makeup

[@blaquelightning6149]

As a Sabrina fan, you're definitely leaving out and skipping through a lot of what she went through in her career. Even bringing up Skin and acting as if that was somehow backlash free when there's still people harassing her over it. Not to mention the current controversies her album release and tour have for not being "family friendly" enough for people's standards. Also acting as if she's not vulnerable or authentic because she isn't posting videos ranting to the camera before she brushes her teeth seems like your view of vulnerability is skewed. She uses humor because that quite literally is and always has been authentic to her. A testament to that are the viral home videos of her acting the same way she does before she even booked her first audition. I'd also like to add that the conservative media has been against Sabrina for many reasons for the past couple of years, namely the filming a music video in a church thing that blew up a year ago was only a glimpse at the discourse that was to come.

[@solangelo_klanceicantdecide]

popular vs wicked??? Ive not watched the whole video but this wording is HORRIFYING bc Popular is a song in Wicked??? Thats like saying "yeah we're gonna look at this through a 'Sweetner vs Ariana Grande' lens or a 'dog vs animal' lens...???????? Idk why you would look at it through that "lens" if u clearly know nothing about the musical?? Edit: So you do know this and yet you chose to word it this way instead of Galinda vs Elphaba (idk how to spell their names) I can't believe this bothered no one else??? Am I going crazy???

[@lanislens]

you can't be serious... right? you know that the words 'popular' and 'wicked' exist as adjectives on their own and aren't only used as the title of a song and musical? other than the semantics, i hope you at least enjoyed the content of what i had to say in this video!

[@solangelo_klanceicantdecide]

@@lanislens yeah no im not stupid ofc i know popular and wicked are adjectives and all that, but in the video you are clealy refering to the song Popular and the Musical Wicked so thats why it bothered me. I guess stupid things bother me sometimes lol- I was just shocked literally no one else in the comments brought it up, otherwise, I wouldn't have. I'm not trying to make a personal attack or anything, it's just I feel like people usually bring stuff like this up. Have a great weekend, I'm sorry if I came across as rude.

[@louera]

Chappel doesn't care about keeping the fanbase that makes her a "pop" girly, she cares about keeping the fanbase that cares for Chappel as Chappel (she said so herself that she wasn't prepared for her sudden rise to fame and that she just wanted to perform for her people). Being a pop girly or pop person is somewhat overrated-- why can't someone just be the artist they want to be? Chappel doesn't need to be "refined," and whatever the real person behind Chappel, Kayleigh, feels like expressing, she can and she should. This world is so obsessed with keeping up appearances and keeping the status quo, that I will always give more props to artists like Chappel who actually care. Her longevity won't be based on her pop stardom, but on how she brings more humanity into this world.

[@lanislens]

Thanks for the comment! In the video, I actually touch on the contradiction you pointed out. Chappell wants the fanbase that supports her for being 'Chappell,' but the problem is that she’s no longer maintaining that clear boundary herself. The line between Chappell the artist and Chappell the person has been blurred, and that’s where the confusion comes in. Also, when I use the term pop girly, it's more of a colloquial term to refer to a popular female artist. Chappell makes pop music, so she is, by definition, a pop artist. It's not her fans that are making her a pop girly, it’s the music she creates and the space she occupies in the industry. I agree with you that self-expression is important, and I don’t think anyone is saying she shouldn’t express herself. But we’re also seeing the mental stress she’s facing from losing control of her image, which she’s then trying to get back by responding directly to criticism on TikTok-and that only seems to make things worse. There’s a level of public scrutiny that comes with the success she has right now, and unfortunately, it’s about more than just making music at this point. She has every right to be the artist she wants to be, but the reality of her current platform is that the more she shares without boundaries, the more she risks her well-being and longevity as an artist. It’s not about conforming to the status quo but about finding a balance that protects her mental health and ensures that she can continue to thrive-both as Chappell and as the artist her fans love.

[@ggcntrl]

did you watch the video 😭

[@lanislens]

@@ggcntrl i realized they probably didn't like halfway through typing my response 😭 i felt like i was rewriting my script and was like am i crazy??

[@finslaw]

So basically Chappell is genuine and Sabrina is calculated.

[@blaquelightning6149]

Sabrina is genuine. Authenticity looks different for every person.

[@Molly_TaylorsVersion_]

Sabrina 100% is the perfect Glenda and the people trying to argue that are crazy.

[@blaquelightning6149]

womp womp

[@keontemccoy5762]

❤❤❤

[@hazaubel6532]

sabrina came right in time to be the new "white girl self-insert" taylor swift cant cut it anymore as she is getting old and olivia isn't releasing any new music

[@Mtv20O1]

I don’t understand this dialogue because there are tons of white woman who are making music. To name a few, Chappell Roan, Tate McRae, Charli XCX, Billie Eilish, and even Olivia Rodrigo who is half white herself. Sabrina ain’t the only white girl in the block.

[@taylors_luvs]

no she really did not taylor still very much “cuts it” taylor is still selling out concerts. and olivia is still on a extremely popular world tour. i think that those three are the current main pop girlys, taylor,sabrina,olivia.

[@LotteRometsch]

Can't cut it anymore because she's old? Huh.

[@princessaroyale]

​@Mtv20O1 but shes the most popular as of now all her songs are topping the charts

[@Mtv20O1]

@@princessaroyale yes but that is cause she just released her album. that doesn’t really mean anything cause charli xcx is having an excellent tour and she is moving up in the charts. olivia is having a sold out world tour and she is named billboards touring artist of the year. chappell roan is one of the latest breakouts and I can guarantee she would sell out easily if she did an arena tour. so many pop girlies who are white or half white are killing it in the scene. Sabrina ain’t the only white girlie doing it.

[@Molly_TaylorsVersion_]

Sabrina is literally uncancelable. Like imagine if Ariana grande said Jesus was a carpenter. She would be ridiculed and never forgiven. Or even Taylor swift for that matter. Sabrina’s stans are even crazier than the Miley Cyrus and niki Minaj stans in my opinion

[@emiliereal104]

I mean, he was a carpenter… just not a Sabrina fan as she didn’t exist yet. It’s a great example of wordplay

[@blaquelightning6149]

Were you in a coma all 2021?

[@Molly_TaylorsVersion_]

@@blaquelightning6149 so we still haven’t moved on from 2021?

Chappell is taking EVERY bait thrown at her by the trolls. She can set boundaries all she wants, but constantly replying to people not worth her time is going to be her downfall. Not in the sense of losing fans, money or streams, but she is going to quit and it's her fault at this point.

[@bemiatto67]

Doja 2.0

[@ChappellsDaughter]

Zzz

@@ChappellsDaughter not a critical thought in that head, huh?

[@ChappellsDaughter]

Me thinks only in binary, me don't thinks me can talk with an enlightened youtuber commentator with such forward-thinking.

@@ChappellsDaughter 💀 what an embarrassing response. wth 😹

[@fiaschampion3379]

Chappell Roan seems like an incredibly pretentious person.

[@taylors_luvs]

imho i think chappell is not really ready for fame. I dont think that she should be this big, she needs to take a break and comeback as a b list celebrity.

[@Mpxyzm2by]

Y’all suckers will find out about Sabrina’s true colors 🖤 one of these days. I promise ☺️

[@Mpxyzm2by]

Once the hype wears off 😉 tick tock…

[@vxmpxria]

Chappell doesn't make pop music but wtv

[@jenjerenjen81]

Lowkey want this casting ngl