The Willingness to Change: My Hero Academia VS Naruto

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@charglie
@charglie 6 жыл бұрын
LEGS PogChamp
@chrismondson128
@chrismondson128 6 жыл бұрын
he still jumps in without a plan and uses more power than his body can take, and mha fights were bad because it's just them power flexing with little martial arts and planning
@loansommebastard65
@loansommebastard65 6 жыл бұрын
bro this editing is beautiful... The scene where Grand Torino stands with the others- by using step ladders got me, thanks bro. I saw it and I appreciate it.
@kevinvu5432
@kevinvu5432 6 жыл бұрын
The Chucklehut you should read the manga...
@daddyman123456789
@daddyman123456789 6 жыл бұрын
The Chucklehut PogU
@PatrickWilliams-ip5wz
@PatrickWilliams-ip5wz 6 жыл бұрын
Hey hold on when the fuck did kissame me become good or sasari they both killed themselves and orochimauru has always been an asswhole he basically gave up on evil shit by himself.
@JoshInspires
@JoshInspires 6 жыл бұрын
Deku is the man with a plan and I’m happy he started to make a stand without having to break his hands
@aaespeccaectralclesclesapp1284
@aaespeccaectralclesclesapp1284 6 жыл бұрын
What a rhyme at this time. Guess I can't blame, since I am the same.
@j0doe1
@j0doe1 6 жыл бұрын
Kinda funny cuz I thought everyone stood with their legs.
@noxian3006
@noxian3006 6 жыл бұрын
Stand
@NRLazy
@NRLazy 6 жыл бұрын
Bars
@Nick-zp6wm
@Nick-zp6wm 6 жыл бұрын
He figured out how to not break his arms when he got full cowl, not when he used shoot style.
@ButchLesbianSolBadguy
@ButchLesbianSolBadguy 6 жыл бұрын
Green Naruto vs boruto's dad
@ikilledkennyubastard7053
@ikilledkennyubastard7053 6 жыл бұрын
Critmic *Better version of naruto vs borutos dad lol
@willyvereb
@willyvereb 6 жыл бұрын
Green is always the better and on the long term more sustainable alternative.
@lucas33308
@lucas33308 6 жыл бұрын
Lol nice joke hahaha cuse I don't see any similarity between Deku and Naruto other then being shonen protagonists that's makes green Naruto even more funny to me hahaha
@Nick-zp6wm
@Nick-zp6wm 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Hadley *Great value Naruto vs Boruto's dad lol
@Artis_OTS
@Artis_OTS 6 жыл бұрын
Imo i still actually like Borutos dad more as a character than Green Naruto as of now.
@Ms.Belief
@Ms.Belief 5 жыл бұрын
“Deku, in his own unique way, always willing to go- “ Me: ....?
@silviagutierrez9839
@silviagutierrez9839 4 жыл бұрын
Plus Ultra?
@afro025
@afro025 3 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY LMAO 😂 IT JUST ENDS OUTTA NOWHERE
@arcaedonluminos666
@arcaedonluminos666 6 жыл бұрын
Never skip leg day
@coreenghent2940
@coreenghent2940 6 жыл бұрын
Arcaedon Luminos Only villains do that
@masterShadowacez
@masterShadowacez 6 жыл бұрын
I hate to be the one saying this, (lol, I love it) but through out this video you forgot one very important thing. Growth is change. Not every type of change needs to be a complete overhaul.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
yeah but the point is that the growth in Naruto doesn't REALLY lead to anything changing. naruto DOESN'T change as a character, he's VERY static. Hinata and Sakura are the ones who change the msot,a rguably, and they both do basically jack shit after a certian point, especially in the anime whcih added some stuff. Sasuke's biggest gorwth was 'becoming evil'....which just became his character shitck for a while and then he just sorta turned good again cause his zombie bro told him to. Naruto never did did a change as drastic as 'major characetr no longer fights AT ALL and everyone views them dfferently' as in the case in All Might.
@oKiirby
@oKiirby 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini Sasukes growth wasn’t becoming evil , I swear majority of you people did not watch or read the manga .
@justinosbourne6559
@justinosbourne6559 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini no he wasn’t evil, he just wanted to create a world that didn’t have problems
@akiratano1226
@akiratano1226 6 жыл бұрын
Naruto... doesn’t change? Huh??? Naruto’s motivation changed completely throughout the series. He used to be a brainless idiot who wanted to become Hokage because he had the selfish idea that it would make people respect him. By the time he fought pain, he was distraught by the fact that he didn’t know what the true meaning of peace was. Naruto wasn’t even ranting about being Hokage at that point. He simply became it because he deserved it. I don’t understand how people don’t see this.
@MrEvldreamr
@MrEvldreamr 6 жыл бұрын
stacking power by doing the same thing over and over until the writer breaks down and bends the plot to the character VS posessing all that stacked power but being unable to use it conventionaly and thus doing a series of mental gymnastics to formulate your own style
@Harrinsain
@Harrinsain 6 жыл бұрын
Excuse me? Did you just call Gon “normal”? Innocence
@zeddy2284
@zeddy2284 3 жыл бұрын
fuk gon tht btch a socipath
@kylestone8078
@kylestone8078 6 жыл бұрын
He went from puncing his opponents to kicking them👏👏best character twist ever 👏👏
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
he also uses his agility a lot mroe now comapred to when he had to power through things earlier
@ThexDynastxQueen
@ThexDynastxQueen 6 жыл бұрын
Its more about Deku realizing he needs to stop copying All Might as if he is a God who has perfected One for All and that breaking his body can't always be an opinion as it does have consequences beyond him like Bakugo getting snatched. Its real small but him trying to move past the fanboy phase and slowly realizing its HIS quick not All Might's is progress.
@katanoasuki7772
@katanoasuki7772 6 жыл бұрын
Kyle Stone who is?
@ShouVertica
@ShouVertica 6 жыл бұрын
Well considering Allmight won against every villain, even the strongest in the world? I don't see the point of why he wouldn't copy allmight.
@Dylan-et9yi
@Dylan-et9yi 6 жыл бұрын
Simple.. He's not All might, copying all might was breaking his body.. You don't see why he wouldn't copy All Might, that's the reason the change is important! It makes sense to copy All Might, until you realize that he cant be All Might.
@HelixMaster12
@HelixMaster12 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think fights are really better because of how Naruto's system works. The best part of every fight in late Naruto was the hand to hand close quarters fighting that involved a lot less big explosions and more personal and realistic face to face confrontations. My Hero Academia's fights being less exciting than Naruto's aren't like that because of a trade off made for more sensible power ups but rather are lacking for other reasons. I like MHA more than Naruto too don't get me wrong but it can and should improve its fights, there's no excuse for it not to.
@jamesrolfe9747
@jamesrolfe9747 6 жыл бұрын
>Gon Freecss >Normal anime hero Pick one
@Hayseus712
@Hayseus712 6 жыл бұрын
Consider this: Gon was (clearly) designed after a young Goku in Dragon Ball. Young Goku in Dragon Ball was, like, Shounen Protagonist Patient Zero. He's as default shounen protag as it gets, in that sense.
@bobo21D
@bobo21D 6 жыл бұрын
He fucking was
@bobo21D
@bobo21D 6 жыл бұрын
Dumbass naive boy who doesn't give up and belives in his friends. Thats the guy who we start with and stick a long time with him. Togashi made him like that on purpose, just because he changes afterwards or because he plays a supporting role does not mean that he does not follow the norm.
@fntababy
@fntababy 6 жыл бұрын
@@bobo21D most of gons fights were life or death he wasnt fighting just to fight he was fighting to live goku just wanted to fight strong opponents he doesnt care about anything else and is clueless about the set backs of his actions gons character is more complex however he completely understands the draw backs of his actions but he'll still do it no matter what gons intelligent but arrogant, kid goku is just a complete idiot with no grasp on anything except fighting
@YonkoJay
@YonkoJay 6 жыл бұрын
James Rolfe Gon isn’t exactly a normal hero but he’s still mostly generic. Of course though, Togashi toys with our expectations and makes him a complex character past his surface appearance. It was pretty dumb to put Gon up there though.
@Rippies
@Rippies 6 жыл бұрын
A lot of this argument is semantics. A lot of your examples for Midoriya "changing" could also be looked at as an evolution to becoming the strongest hero. The use of using almost synonymous words hurts your argument a lot. There are points I can agree with, MHA goes about the shonen genre differently compared to other big names like Naruto and One Piece, but your point with "willingness to change" is mostly a perspective argument. People can see Naruto's advancements as a ninja as change instead of evolution, he changes his rasengan to not be a harm to himself. The main argument made can be changed based on perspective or semantics. This isn't to say I hate MHA or any other shonen.
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
naruto goes from using clones to summonings to ninetails chakra to rasengans to sage and then god modes winning fights with transformations and sexy jutsu to headbutts ...but he didnt change it up?..okay..meanwhile deku who already used his legs now just focuses more on his legs..wow what a big change lol...this dudes bias is hilarious....he said naruto had a bad ending?..possible narusaku bitter fan right here boys..get him...
@daniloss1319
@daniloss1319 4 жыл бұрын
@@razkable I love Naruto and loved the 4th shinobi world war for Madara mostly,but Naruto really had a horrible ending.Single mum being the main villan and Saruto was set up from the begining(yes i came up with an actual ship name)
@buggy5258
@buggy5258 6 жыл бұрын
(Insert joke as a manga reader)
@ChetManley1
@ChetManley1 6 жыл бұрын
(Insert complaint about spoilers as anime watcher)
@summintra1575
@summintra1575 6 жыл бұрын
(Insert a joke about anime watchers)
@mr.sleepyhead8401
@mr.sleepyhead8401 6 жыл бұрын
You know people put [Insert here] all the time and I can never think of anything to say, sorry.
@buggy5258
@buggy5258 6 жыл бұрын
StoryTellerVA The Gentleman Why do you think I did it. I couldn't think of anything to say without spoiling.
@summintra1575
@summintra1575 6 жыл бұрын
StoryTellerVA The Gentleman same that is why mine sucked
@kyrudo
@kyrudo 6 жыл бұрын
6:45 I can’t help, but feel you overlooked how Naruto doesn’t really overhaul completely his fighting style, but it did change. Part 1 was just randomly spam Shadow Clones. Part 2, is less of a focus on mass shadowclones and a use less clones more tactfully. Naruto’s moveset is also KEY to his character. The Rasengan is basically his teacher and fathers legacy. His torch to eventually be handed down to his son. Shadow Clones are emblematic of himself. His previous failures at the academy with the clone jutsu. In addition like stated later, Jutsu is also a mental crutch for Naruto’s loneliness. Yes, Narutos fighting style doesnt ever really change drastically, but everything about said moveset is absolutely tied to his own character. I think the idea you proposed is great, but in the way Kishimoto worked with Naruto’s moves into the narrative. Atleast for the character of Naruto it works for him.
@jackmanleblanc2518
@jackmanleblanc2518 6 жыл бұрын
I knew there was a reason why I just wasn't really buying what he was saying, though I do still appreciate the video.
@kyrudo
@kyrudo 6 жыл бұрын
I think you felt like that because the argument of the video is misguided. Unlike MHA, moves and fighting style have no inherent meaning. The Quirks themselves do. In Naruto the moves/jutsu/fightning style are very important story wise. Let's take the FireBall Jutsu. Yes, Sasuke develops different types of fire style justsu like the Pheonix flower or Dragonflame. But he is an UCHIHA. When an Uchiha clan member can perform the Fireball jutsu she/he is considered an adult. The jutsu is the family's trademark jutsu. Telling Sasuke to drop fire style is ludicrous. Telling a Nara, a clan for their methotical strategic fighting style, to revamp their style to a fighting one goes against everything the clan represents. This ties in into the story of passing the torch to the next generation. The jutsu themselves are these torches. Kinda like how you can pass down Quirks in MHA. The jutsu in Naruto and the characters that use them are directly tied to them. Just like how villians and heroes are tied to their Quirks. I appreciate the ChuckleNuts video, but I feel using Naruto was an error. I think he should've chosen a different shounen anime.
@jackmanleblanc2518
@jackmanleblanc2518 6 жыл бұрын
Yes that does make sense. Like I already said I do appreciate this video but I also unapologetically like Naruto despite its flaws. It's become one of those shows that's popular to hate on though so I'm quick to jump to its defense if a complaint just doesn't quite make sense (an example being that Talk no Jutsu is NOT a bad thing and there are a few "In Defense of Talk no Jutsu" videos I could point at that do a better job of explaining why it's not bad than I could).
@darknessknows1235
@darknessknows1235 6 жыл бұрын
It should also be noted that there's the whole saying ''don't fear a man who practices 1000 strokes but practices one stroke 1000 times''. Naruto is essentially that and he proves it as he improves the rasengan and uses shadow clones in ways people don't expect him to. The thing is Naruto just doesn't NEED other jutsu's though it would certainly be cool and sometimes helpful, but Shadow Clones keep him in the fight and rasengan is a literal fight finisher against 99% of shinobi. People seem to ignore that even his father only ever used Hiraishin and the rasengan and people are just fine with that
@kyrudo
@kyrudo 6 жыл бұрын
darknessknows1235 Naruto went from spamming shadow clones, to using a couple, then he learned he can spam them to improve and quicken his training, then he learned he can use Shadow Clones as Chakra batteries with Sage mode to collect nature energy, then finally he used clones to basically project himself and chakra to the shinobi army. Thats not even counting how he uses clones as missles, jumping off points, battering rams and even shockwave cushions. To say Naruto’s fighting style is simple is just plain wrong. While it does get a bit stale in the ninja war due to just the abuse of the nine tails mode, when Naruto is using clones, its great. FYI. Naruto got so fucking good with clones that his Shadow Clones can now tank damage and don’t dissapear until a good couple hits.
@goku5587
@goku5587 6 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, My Hero Aca is incredible, and setting great new trends for Shonen, but One Piece and HunterxHunter have also made waves and changes to the genre. You should be careful of calling them bland.
@Verebazs
@Verebazs 5 жыл бұрын
I'll give you HxH, because I couldn't stomach even half of it, so I can't honestly judge it, beyond my dislike of it, but "One Piece" and "change" doesn't belong in the same sentence. One Piece is *THE* epitome of static, formulaic storytelling. Probably Scooby-Doo and Pokemon are the only ones worse that that.
@RockdaNike
@RockdaNike 5 жыл бұрын
Verebazs I don’t think so, one piece is still unique in the genre if for anything that Luffy and the crew do not grow symmetrically to the plot. Early in the show Luffy was wayyy stronger than about anyone or atleast solidly stronger. Because of this he never got the chance to develop, so by Thriller Bark every encounter is a major one that pushed the crew to the brink before they finally folded on Sabaody and this point is further put into luffy in Marineford. Add on showing the problems inherent in “I fight for my friends” where luffy does everything to try to shoulder the burden that is the increasing power gap between he and his crew. This is directly responsible for his loss at sabaody and he doesn’t learn to delegate his trust to his crew until after fishman, only displaying it finally in the Yonko saga. He also is able to curb his ego to begin working with the other supernovas like Firetanks and Law in order to accomplish tasks he’d certainly fail at. His motivations for fighting have evolved a lot. First it’s his solution to literally any situation, then it’s a specific way to protect his friends, now with haki he’s treating it as a way to develop. He used to be too stupid to be afraid unless the threat was overwhelming like Sentonaru, Pacifista and Kizaru where he would run. Now he seeks to fight to learn and grow, something first planted in the series when he fought Aokiji. All in all I’d say luffy doesn’t develop a lot in terms of motivation and in aspects method but he develops a ton when it comes to how to be a captain and understanding what it means to be a pirate and a pirate that would be the most free in the seas.
@heyarnold7256
@heyarnold7256 5 жыл бұрын
@@Verebazs I honestly don't think you've ever actually paid attention to One Piece if you think thats the case.
@posie2325
@posie2325 6 жыл бұрын
shots fired at game theory
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
It will boost game theory sub count.
@TheTroubleMan9000
@TheTroubleMan9000 6 жыл бұрын
He is annoying af now
@Krossxc
@Krossxc 6 жыл бұрын
He right tho
@posie2325
@posie2325 6 жыл бұрын
Kross, yeah, I agree. I used to find it fun to watch The Game theory videos, but now they are just painful and cringey.
@RamielEdits
@RamielEdits 6 жыл бұрын
Shots hit and have been hitting game theory
@LinkEX
@LinkEX 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Oddly enough, even though your main point was about praising MHA for doing the Shonen protagonist progression differently; you actually pointed out that even the regular path that leads to power escalation can have its upsides if the fight scenes are handled accordingly.
@LinkEX
@LinkEX 6 жыл бұрын
Also, you sure went all in with those visual puns. There were like two dozen of them.
@runi.7498
@runi.7498 6 жыл бұрын
7:08 - 7:24 Well that got me salty. He could only use and throw the Rasenshuriken while in Sage Mode, as not only does senjutsu enhances ninjutsu allowing him to maintain its form and not dissolve like with Kakuzu but also helps him recover and heal much quicker thus bypassing the deterioration. But sure, let's just dumb it down to "He just throws it", because how else are we going to make Deku moving from a basic punch to a basic kick seem more impressive than it actually is. Plus, it's not like Deku abandons punches, he just added kicks. This is my problem with most MHA "analysis" vids, it's just people overblowing everything MHA does while downplaying other shonen series. At the end of the day, Deku is finding a way to efficiently use his quirk just like Naruto found a way to use his new ninjutsu.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
But unlike Deku that finding his way to make his power efficient, Naruto just adding more power so the previous problem is gone.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
and you're underplaying how big a change this is for Deku. He's no longer focusing on 'powering through' situations, but using his AGILITY and dexterity to deal with things. He's NOT just punching things, he's not just KICKING, he's leaping, using terrain, running, THINKING. Naruto's style is more or less just really flashy ways of punching, when you get down to it. just throwing a strong attack at an enemy, no strategy, no thought just 'do a thing'
@runi.7498
@runi.7498 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini He's been doing that since the Stain fight so I'm not sure what you're on about. Have you actually read/watched Naruto? In what way is the Rasengan or Rasenshuriken or the other stuff he could do during the war just flashy ways of punching? That's completely ludicrous, Deku's the one doing the flashy punches. And to say he doesn't rely on strategy when 90% of his fights have him using his head to win really only emphasizes that you haven't seen the series.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Runner Up it is clear this guy hasnt watched Naruto at all lmao Implying MHA fights have more strategy than Naruto is pretty dumb.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
Runner Up the thing is, Naruto never showing his strategical growth. He just doing shit that he can do from the 1st he joining ninja. It already established that Naruto is creative from the start of the show. The only growth that we can see from naruto is his combat power keep pile up. Now let me say, whos the one that actually watch the show?
@demonseed360
@demonseed360 6 жыл бұрын
While it's interesting that Deku changed his fighting style in tandem with his perspective on all might, It definitely isn't revolutionary or even that new for that matter. It seems like the point that you were trying to make is that most shonen characters aren't really 'changing' because their upgrades are more of a logical next step in their character evolution as opposed to a conscious choice with risks and rewards brought on by external stimuli or internal conflict. You used an anime like One Piece as an example of a show that's unable to achieve what MHA does but failed to take into consideration, or perhaps are unaware of events like the two-year time skip. The One Piece time skip was brought on by developments like the death of Ace and the encounter with Kuma in Sabaody Archipelago. These two occurrences made it painfully clear to Luffy that he not only had to improve upon himself before taking on the world at large but that he also needed to make sure that his crewmates were in tip-top shape. If his brother Ace, whom he considered one of the strongest people he's ever met could die, then his crewmates could die as well. So he made the hard choice of putting his dream on hold for 2 years. MHA is a cool anime, but people really tend to blow out of proportion how 'new' and 'groundbreaking' the series is while supporting their statements by using weak examples of anime that they simply dislike or like less than MHA. Make no mistake, it's very derivative of its predecessors and while it's fun to watch, sometimes I wonder how well it would be received if it wasn't released during the superhero renaissance of the west.
@itaraaah
@itaraaah 6 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic video. I’ve been watching Naruto for over three years now, and after I finished Shippuden, I was craving for another shounen anime that would fill the void in my heart. That’s when I got into My Hero Academia. I was instantly immersed in its universe from the start, and seeing Deku growing as developing has been such a a wonderful journey. As you said, MHA takes a vastly different approach molding its protagonist. Naruto was more of an “I keep my ideals” type than Deku could ever be. But that’s what makes this anime so unique. If he can be this developed less than 60 episodes in, than I can’t wait to see what he does in the future.
@akiratano1226
@akiratano1226 6 жыл бұрын
Eh, I don’t really see it. Naruto’s growth was just something more subtle than most (which is honestly saying something, considering this is Naruto we’re talking about). He went from being an arrogant, childish kid who wanted to be Hokage so he’d earn respect, to a dude who was completely humiliated mid-fight because he didn’t know how to find true peace. Those are two different characters. The Naruto that fought pain isn’t the same as the Naruto who fought Neji. The first part of Naruto was about him finding his own path and learning to truly value himself less arrogantly while also realizing that the world is far more cruel than he expected, while Shippuden focused on Naruto learning that you can’t be a leader unless you’re willing and able to take care of the people around you.
@itaraaah
@itaraaah 6 жыл бұрын
I was specifically referring to the two's ambitions. You're 100% correct on everything you said. Naruto has had exceeding levels of character development. But his ambitions and goals have always been the same. His Ninja Way and his dream to become Hokage. On the other hand, Deku's definition of a hero is still being molded and shaped.
@ichidoriyou7472
@ichidoriyou7472 4 жыл бұрын
Soo, going from punching to kicking is a good change? Naruto in the beginning wanted to become Hokage so his village can acknowledge him as a human person,Pain's story and his conversation to him made Naruto realise that in order to become Hokage (and bring Sasuke back) he needs to understand pain and emotions of others (and Sasuke), when he learns of Itachi's story he realized that no matter how strong he is he can't do everything by himself, oh and does choosing not to use the powet of the nine tails for everything and instead train your own power count as a character change? I guess not but going from punches to fucking kicks counts lmao.. Sasuke was driven by hate from the start and the inly reason he wanted to be alive was so he can kill Itachi, he slowly created bonds with Team 7 and by the end when he failed and got cucked by Itachi in P1 Naruto he went to Orochimaru so he can gain more power out of desperation, once he killed Itachi and got the tslk with Obito he wanted to avenge his late brother by killing those responsible for ruining his life, tge last battle with Naruto made him change his ways after Naruto could understand what Sasuke was going trough... Bullshit video mate, do some research
@Nick-zp6wm
@Nick-zp6wm 6 жыл бұрын
Deku learns to kick. *Revolutionary MC* Naruto learns a new jujitsu and fighting style *generic MC* Gon learns Jaken *Generic MC* Luffy learns a new style with G4 *Generic MC* All of them change their fighting style, but some how Midoriya is the only one who's not generic for doing it? That makes sense.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
because Deku's changing his overall approach and mentality towards battles, where he's putting less focus on 'all or nothing' attacks or small work arounds to him trying to mitigate focusing on a single abttle and leaving himself too weakened for another fight or equally important shit. the others you mentioned (and speaking as a huge One Piece fan here too, so Luffy's included yeah) is they...don't change their overall approahc to fighting. They're all pretty much heavy handed fighters who tend to use their strongest and most iconic attacks as often and early as possible. Focusing on putting their all in a single battle.
@Nick-zp6wm
@Nick-zp6wm 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini Midoriya's approach towards all or nothing did not change with his shoot style, it changed with him learning full cowl. It's not like Shoot style stops him from exerting more power than his body can take. Naruto, Gon, and Luffy all have major changes in their fighting style( Naruto and Gon especially). Naruto's taijutsu style changed dramatically when he trained with the toads, and Gon had no choice but to adapt and change his fighting style when he acquired nen The rasenshuriken destroyed Naruto's arms when he used it. He developed a new style of using it. These things aren't new with Midoriya, just because he switched from attacking with his arms to his legs.
@Kanemakii
@Kanemakii 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini and luffy isn’t? Literally there whole point of gears 2-4 are to improve his fighting style mentality. Are you sure you watch one piece my dude
@skepticotaku8171
@skepticotaku8171 6 жыл бұрын
Nuradin Mohamed, just like you said. They were to improve on what he already had, not completely change his entire mindset about combat.
@Nick-zp6wm
@Nick-zp6wm 6 жыл бұрын
SkepticOtaku Midoriya didn't change his entire mindset on combat, just his fighting style, which is what all the others did as well. To change your entire mindset on fighting is to change everything you know about fighting.
@Axxidous
@Axxidous 6 жыл бұрын
I mean seriously. Switching between Shadow Clone Jutsu to Rasengan as signature attack is NOT a change for Naruto but going from using One For All to..... using One For All apparently IS a change for Deku. :Y aight then.
@danielclark653
@danielclark653 6 жыл бұрын
Axxidous its not quite like that imagine if the rasengan didn't work on an opponent how would naruto beat this villain? Hit him really hard?
@android19willpwn
@android19willpwn 6 жыл бұрын
At the beginning of the series Naruto spammed hundreds of shadow clones because that was all he had. At the end of the series Naruto only made a few at a time because he had a bunch of other techniques to draw from that were more effective than just more fists. He never had to stop using shadow clones or even really change the way he thought of them. His use of them just evolved in a straight line of "less clones with more power" The closest thing we got to a change in that regard was when he realized he could have his clones help him make the Rasengan. But that's still just a progressing of "the clones can do more shit"
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
Deku doesn't have a lot of new techniques to fall back on like Naruto. He has to work with what he has. It may not seem like much, but shifting his focus to ONLY using his arms in a fight to also using his legs (and focusing more on legwork to at least balance shit out) is ahuge change in his fighting style.
@noahm1999able
@noahm1999able 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Clark There literally was a villian that the rasengan didn't work on. Naruto defeated him by using different techniques in creative ways to overwhelm him.
@o.s.i1344
@o.s.i1344 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Clark I mean, when Naruto fought the Third Raikage, none of his attacks were working. He instead thought of, and found another way to defeat him. Deku's the one who defeated someone (Muscular) by screaming and hitting him really hard.
@CarbonMalite
@CarbonMalite 6 жыл бұрын
Midoria and All Might are the only characters that really change as people in the show. Everyone else gives the illusion that they've changed significantly only to return to who they were at the beginning. Iieda the perfect example, understandably changing for the Stain interaction and then returning to his old self. That's my perspective over the first watch, so I'm likely missing some details.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
well I think its cause of how Horikoshi approaches dealing with his big cast, rotating characters between arcs so a few get more focus and development in certain arcs. Ochako seems to be having big development, but we haven't seen as much of it since she's not the focus of the last few arcs. I'm positive we'll see more change up for the cast as they get the spotlight, we just need to be patient.
@jajagaming3602
@jajagaming3602 3 жыл бұрын
What about Todoroki?
@Blacklantern20
@Blacklantern20 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid to show how Horikoshi adds more natural growth to characters, but perhaps we could cut down the critiques of your KZbin peers. I see others do it more in a playful way, but yours seemed more critical while not really adding to your discussion points. That comes across as unnecessary and breaks the flow of your discussion IMO. Plus, I respect all of yall, so I don't like to see "mommy and daddy fighting." While MHA's growth and writing is better, there's no reason the choreography in the action can't be improved. Horikoshi seems to have this aversion to depicting martial arts. There are so many beautiful fighting styles he can emulate or create his own. There's no reason for fights to be just punch, counterpunch. Studio Bones does their best to punch up scenes in the anime but for context, the most important fight of MHA, AFO vs AllMight consists of giant wind gusts and ends up being massive fist vs giant massive fist. Dude has near endless supply to various quirks and his style is just wind gust punches?...
@chickenhunter4694
@chickenhunter4694 6 жыл бұрын
Blacklantern20 wasn't it stated that all for one was weakend significantly so saying he could use every quirk he has is kinda of a stretch but the fights still schould be more dainamic tho small spoiler we saw in chapter 0 that he could tarraform an island and blow it up easy before his fight with all might so it seems logical that he couldn't use his quirks as wel as he used to
@mr.sleepyhead8401
@mr.sleepyhead8401 6 жыл бұрын
sleep "We" I didn't see that! All Might blew up what!? Their is a 0 chapter!? I'm gonna read that now!
@chickenhunter4694
@chickenhunter4694 6 жыл бұрын
StoryTellerVA The Gentleman uhm this was the fight with the user of ofa before all might (nana) not the all might vs all for one fight but here is the link ww2.readmha.com/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia-chapter-193-5/
@daddyman123456789
@daddyman123456789 6 жыл бұрын
Blacklantern20 yes, all for one tells tiger, mt lady, and best jeanist that he doesn't have most of the quirks he had 6 years ago, Gran torino so comments that all for one's fight style changed.
@daddyman123456789
@daddyman123456789 6 жыл бұрын
Blacklantern20 Also it's very ignorant to say "jUsT fiX tHe cHoReoGraPhY" the go on to list things that are explained in both the anime and manga.
@512TheWolf512
@512TheWolf512 6 жыл бұрын
notice that Deku and other students never actually undergo any serious martial arts training for some reason manga too, yes
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
Because while fighting is a thing in hero work, its not uber important and I doubt the majority of UA staff practice actual martial arts. Also, OCHAKO went through amrtial arts training actually. We SEE her use one such skill against Toga.
@nanda12345ful
@nanda12345ful 6 жыл бұрын
@@sarafontanini7051 Also the fact that Tailman is literally calling himself the martial arts hero
@ThexDynastxQueen
@ThexDynastxQueen 6 жыл бұрын
Irfan Iswananda: Yeah I think Ojiro should study (more) martial arts as thats how he's going to utilize his quirk. I think like Uaraka though Deku should learn some kind of fighting style beyond "I'MMA SMASH IT" (as cute as it is) and maybe some of the others to help compliment their quirks like how Todoroki fights. Though they don't necessarily need to but it can't hurt.
@tameone
@tameone 6 жыл бұрын
fighting is not important as a hero? dumb comment of the day goes to you!
@jonsnor4313
@jonsnor4313 6 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to teach them some moves in the future, Aizawa could teach them some dodging and fighting tricks.
@jdamourep
@jdamourep 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what I like most about him, he thinks about his actions, most protagonists would go balls to the wall without thinking of the repurcussions, and come out unscathed or at least able to be healed/heal mid fight (though he does at some point but that's a specific case as well as a spoiler). But Deku learns that he can't just do that or he will only damage himself and make things worse for other people. Not only that the plot doesn't allow him to forget this, saving ochaco, fighting todoroki and fighting muscular, all made him realise how important it is to think about his actions. I also, like how in this show, they put a lot of emphasis on your ability to be a good role model, and save people as opposed to just fighting the big bad and everything being okay. In that show your ability to save people shows how important it is for non combative quirks to exist.
@Kanemakii
@Kanemakii 6 жыл бұрын
So basically a cheap version of gon And killua ?
@ogcookie7961
@ogcookie7961 6 жыл бұрын
Nuradin Mohamed huh? Gon and killua don’t really give two shits about saving anyone. Killua is the only one that thinks before and during engagement. Gon rushes into whatever the f he wants
@Kanemakii
@Kanemakii 6 жыл бұрын
Og Cookie I was referring to gon and killua being more analytical when it comes to fighting rather than them being a mindless fighter. Which isn’t really a bad thing it’s just different. Personally I like characters like luffy, but find characters like deku annoying. Also gin and killua are amazing too.
@jonsnor4313
@jonsnor4313 6 жыл бұрын
Killua cares about others that was his arc from assasin to compassionate human being. He did his best to prevent the slaughter of innocents in the chimera arc. Deku seems like a mix of both.
@jdamourep
@jdamourep 6 жыл бұрын
Nuradin Mohamed I like gonna and killua as fun protagonist. But in general I like how the show doesn't "revolve" around them. There are stronger people. They don't just save the day by themselves just because they are the protagonists. They are still children.
@red5t653
@red5t653 3 жыл бұрын
Aight, so most Shounen follow one of two paths to power escalation: Option A: The powers themselves get stronger as time goes on. Option B: Characters continuously unlock new powers to use. However, by the very nature of the MHA universe, Quirks can do neither (except AfO and OfA but those are the exceptions that prove the rule) This is because it's extremely hard for Quirks to change their function: For instance, Uraraka's Zero Gravity won't suddenly let her increase gravity or remove her nausea entirely, instead she can only change how MUCH weight she can handle and for how long before puking. This even applies to Deku: (until OfA begins giving him previous users' Quirks) at its core, OfA is just a power enhancement Quirk. It does nothing EXCEPT boost his physical stats; there's no special abilities or attacks he can pull off with it: everything essentially comes down to how much force Deku can exert. He develops Full Cowl once he realizes HOW OfA functions, and afterwards he uses the experience gained to realize that he was essentially needlessly harming himself with hyperexcessive force, which then leads to Shoot Style, where his legs (and more generally, OfA's passive speed boost) come into play (but his arms still remain relevant in case he really just needs to get in one solid hit that's hard to dodge because let's face it, kicks take room) It's a LOT bigger for Deku to develop Full Cowl and Shoot Style relative to baseline One For All compared to each new jutsu Naruto learns or new Nen usage Gon acquires. Yes, One For All isn't changing, but that's because QUIRKS DON'T CHANGE. The people USING them do. Like, there are entire arcs dedicated to the kids learning new ways to apply their limited power sets to unfamiliar and uncomfortable situations in order to become as versatile as they possibly can. You wouldn't GET that in most other shounen series because for most other shounens, the secret is to unlock a NEW power, not figure out a way to use your current power more creatively.
@a.p3877
@a.p3877 6 жыл бұрын
Midorya:Hey Naruto what were you doing this summer? Naruto:Oh I have been training complicated jutsu that took me days to train by using different tactics and using my clones that take my energy. Wut bout you? Midorya:Oh, I learned how to kick. Hate this vid made by a fanboy. Fucking fanboy doing his best FANBOYING
@scottysbottom5769
@scottysbottom5769 6 жыл бұрын
Naruto did a bullshit powerup involving his shadow clones like a video game cheat. He doesn't have a monopoly on tactics you stupid rube. Anyway your crappy show isn't at all immersive. Deku learned the necessity to flee and realized that his power isn't a get out safe card. He wired himself to be like All Might to the point of fanaticism, and had to let go of hispride and realized he could and would be fucked if he didn't have the ability to flee.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Scotty's Bottom completely logical =/= bullshit ok
@a.p3877
@a.p3877 6 жыл бұрын
Scotty's Bottom He trained much more than Midorya. And how the hell is Midorya using tactics when only thing he does is learn how to freaking kick XD. Btw stop calling people bad words when they are just showing facts. Oh and just stop trying to explain an ability to kick as a tactic it just isnt one.
@auroralraconteur3312
@auroralraconteur3312 6 жыл бұрын
While this is funny and it does show how people do overhype MHA, Midoriya's change to kicks is as symbolic as it is objective. The video covers this. The change is not just "I hurt my arms so let's switch to kicks", it's "My arms are permanently fucked, I need to be more careful, and use my legs to not only rebrand myself as a hero but endanger my arms less." It's a conscious choice to change his fighting style because the old one proves too dangerous, and to also stop trying to idolize and portray 'All Might' when he can't even use but 5% of his maximum power without doing damage to his own body.
@a.p3877
@a.p3877 6 жыл бұрын
Luke Woodland So basically I use my legs because if I use my arms they gonna go BOOM?
@seph4707
@seph4707 6 жыл бұрын
I think it is less a "change" and more an "improvement". It's not about his ideology changing so much as he recognizes he needs a better way to save people than breaking himself. He recognizes that the path he was on was not sustainable and shifted gears to one that was. He's still as driven as ever to save those he can reach much like his determination to save bakugou to the point of "soft-breaking" the rules of going to the scene of the rescue. However he recognizes that it's not enough to save someone without thinking. What he's doing right now is preparing himself to be the best he can be so that when the time comes, he can act on his instincts to save others the best way he can. Hero Academia is good at giving the appearance of consequences of actions. Prices paid. Realities that must be faced. Deku is "changing" to face these challenges, but his core ideology is the same. At least for now.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
"Sasuke's motivations didnt change..." ...are you sure you know what you're talking about?(Not going to say Sasuke is enjoyable to watch though) "Naruto never had to change something about himself to overcome something..." Dark Naruto fight in waterfall of truth disagrees..heavily Nice video and editing but both shows deal with very different types of growth. Naruto is mostly about most of the shinobi realizing their inner humanity.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Plot made Sasuke not copy 1000 jutsu like Kakashi well i meant in general. A lot of people find shipouden Sasuke annoying xD
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Itachi did everything wrong!
@bambsnaklub4578
@bambsnaklub4578 6 жыл бұрын
That doesn't mean he should fucking destroy it, if anything he wanted to destroy the village because of itachi.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Bambsnak Lub yes and it is all Itachi's fault
@MrEvldreamr
@MrEvldreamr 6 жыл бұрын
That what i hae about naruto, how much it was emphasied that being a shinobi was a dangerous job where people died and then neglecting the very principle that made the show (that and hard work beats natural talent)
@ryantaylor6051
@ryantaylor6051 6 жыл бұрын
I understand that the point of this video was to highlight the importance of change and the development of character and their powers in context to the plot, and how MHA does this really well, and this much is true. I just believe that sometimes a lack of change and an adherence to ones main principles and morales is also important for character development. My particular example of this is Jaraiya, it seemed like in the video you were disparaging Jaraiya, for his lack of commitment to Konoha and his refusal to become Hokage when the village needed him. But while these were selfish and conceited actions on Jaraiya’s part, it’s also what makes Jaraiya an amazing character in my opinion. He doesn’t do things because society tells him to, he does them because he feels it’s necessary to do it. He doesn’t let himself be swayed by the opinions of others and holds steadfast to his morales. So when he was asked to be Hokage, yeah he rejected the offer because he doesn’t WANT to be Hokage and that’s fine. It’s not like he totallly abandoned the village, he just helped out in his own way. It shows Jaraiya’s strength of character and individuality in the series, and it sets him apart from all the other cast of characters in Naruto.
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
character change, growth and development are all three different things and the reality is not every character needs this and honestly it hurts a story if more than a couple main or main side characters actually change fully cause its unrealistic and shows you just wrote lesser characters to change them into better ones later..thats lame..have faith in who you established....that core should always shine through...if a character whose correct with their belief from jump street and is not insecure and finds inspiration from someone they see as similar and right with their convictions like hinata did with naruto then why should she change much if thats pretty much her right way from when we meet her?..she already grew and developed a lot in the past...she can change a little more but most of her character is fully formed and correct so theres nothing to change besides a shyness quirk I guess..its like hey she is pretty fully formed already...any major change would ruin her so we just give her some power and prove shes right
@pdxsal7119
@pdxsal7119 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like the idea of what Naruto is really about just flew over this guy’s head while watching
@hish33p32
@hish33p32 5 жыл бұрын
Well i'm pretty sure Bakugo had a backup plan if Todoroki ever used his fire in that fight
@lolphie8493
@lolphie8493 6 жыл бұрын
But the era of hands will once again come!!! *FINGER FLICKING INTENSIFIES*
@Monkeydfitzy
@Monkeydfitzy 6 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend you watch the video titled "in defense of talk no jutsu" there's a thematic genius in Naruto changing people with words... I would highly reccomend you try it! It's a really good video
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
its still pretty BS that a lot of these villains get redeemed despite the awful shit they do, with Orochmaru being the most blatant (HE MURDERED PEOPLE IN SICK EXPERIMENTS AND KILLED THE THIRD HOKAGE)
@Monkeydfitzy
@Monkeydfitzy 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini AYE man CHILL lol I didn't say there wasn't flaws but talk no Jutsu DEFINETLY deserves more credit even if it wasn't shown the best way Mathwiz does a great job!
@noahm1999able
@noahm1999able 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini I agree but Naruto never used talk no jutsu to change or redeem Orichimaru, Orichimaru just had a lot of time to reflect after dieing and having been absorbed by Kabuto. He also never really got redeemed so much as he was allowed to live for saving the five kage.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini the third hokage too has ordered countless assassination missions to defend his village. Other villages have also kidnapped children to use them in war. The whole point of Naruto is that the world is fucked up ... Oro was never TnJed even xD
@scottysbottom5769
@scottysbottom5769 6 жыл бұрын
no its retarded bc ideologues dont mind contradictions. If anything you ppl look nerdier thinking you can beat villains with logic and reason to neatly tie things up.
@BlahBlah-zb7es
@BlahBlah-zb7es 6 жыл бұрын
Damn u put gon along with Naruto and asta smh Still an amazing video! Keep up the good work and if you haven't already. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND HUNTER X HUNTER. It's absolutely God tier and if you like mha then you'll absolutely love hxh
@ChristUponus
@ChristUponus 6 жыл бұрын
venawartmander :3 I know right, miss me with that bullshit. Gon is a incredibly entertaining lead compared to Deku.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Gon and entertaining do not fit in a single sentence. He is the weakest thing about HxH. Yeah his character arc is well written but it means jack shit when he's not interesting at all.
@BlahBlah-zb7es
@BlahBlah-zb7es 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon I couldn't disagree more lol. May I ask what about gon makes him so uninteresting in your eyes?
@PlanetaryPluto
@PlanetaryPluto 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon Answer The Question Then Fam. What Exactly About Gon Is Uninteresting? Proof Or You're Full Of Shit. 🤔
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
D. PlanetaryPluto the fact he has literally zero uniqueness even among shounen mc? The only thing that differentiates him and Kid Goku is he is a more of a dick 😂 though i can understand most of this being subjective, Gon is the weakest component of HxH. Despite all his moments.
@paulviglietta3081
@paulviglietta3081 6 жыл бұрын
Are we just going to ignore how much kakashi changed and developed from the start of Naruto to him becoming hokage and him changing completely from how he was as a kid to what he's like now?
@S.A.O.D.A
@S.A.O.D.A 6 жыл бұрын
This video is so ridiculous I can't even begin to... WHAAA? Deku didn't "switch" to Shoot style. He just added kicking moves to his arsenal. He still uses punches all the time. Similar to Naruto "switching" from Uzumaki barrage to Rasengan. You literally outline how Sasuke's motivations changed and then proceed to say that they never changed. Or, maybe to you "revenge" and "changing the world for the better" are the same thing? And then implying that Gon, an amoral, hypocritical ball of repressed rage is a "typical shounen protagonist"Jesus... It really sucks because I actually really like MHA but seeing all the mental gymnastics "analysis" channels are doing in order to make it seem like the god king of shounen is sad to watch. Mindless extrapolation is fine, I guess, but when you misrepresent other works to try and give your argument a leg to stand on, it's just...
@seelcudoom1
@seelcudoom1 6 жыл бұрын
except his motivation doesent change, not in a way that matters to the topic at least, he wanted to get stronger, then he wanted to get stronger, and then once he was done with taht he wanted to get stronger, he never went about his goals anyway other then take the quickest path to personal power, changei n the way the videos talking about would be deciding its better to protect what he has rather then avenge what hes lost and gathering strong allys and training the next generation to ensure even if he falls what he loves will be protected, rather then again jut trying to get really strong, also ya he still punches hes not sanji he hasent taken an oath against using his hands but shoot style is still a switch, EVERY fighting style uses punches to some degree, doesent mean switching from boxing to taekwondo isent a big switch, with naruto theres some change in the beginning but once he learns the rasengan pretty much all his major moves are just bigger better rasengans, and as the video mentions thats fine, my hero isent better but it is unique in fully changing fighting styles rather then just going also most anime protags are hypocritical ball off repressed rage(seriously is there a single shounen protag that doesent have a moment where they go berserk on the enemy?) gons still the typical shounen protag that loves to fight and is very forgiving of enemys they just actually account for what the kind of person who can forgive a mass murder so easily would actually be like, hunter x hunter is for the most part just normal shonen tropes just done really really well and thought out
@YightLagami
@YightLagami 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. You can argue that Deku for most of the series “changes” his fighting style drastically so it’s not even special within the series’ context. I.E. Breaking arms-> breaking fingers->Full Cowl> shooting style
@S.A.O.D.A
@S.A.O.D.A 6 жыл бұрын
seelcudoom1 It seems you don't know what the difference between a motivation and a method is. Sasuke's motivations obviously changed, not to mention your ridiculous double standard. Almost every shounen character, Deku included, want to get stronger. Not to mention, you're also factually wrong about Naruto's moves. First of all, his fighting style changes drastically. Go watch Part 1 Naruto, then watch late Shippuden and beyond. Part 1 Naruto never used martial arts, he just ran and punchef, rand and kicked, or threw clones at the enemy. As he grows, he starts to actually fight people 1v1 in taijutsu, uses very little clones (in Momoshiki fight he didn't even use any, and in Toneri fight he only used them twice). Naruto's fighting style, even after he used Rasengan, is like night and day. Hell, in his latest fight in Boruto he was even using elemental jutsu. He uses his chakra arms to block harmful elements, he has his Guodama, uses transformations etc. Quite a bit more than "bigger versions of rasengans". And even if he only used Rasengans, which he doesn't , the fact that he uses them differently and in different strategies each time negates your criticism (double standard) because it's his signature move, his "power" if you will. That's like me saying, "Deku only uses One for All, he never changes". It's just ridiculous. And honestly, you want to use Deku as an examppe for this sort of thing? Against Naruto? Really? Naruto has more strategy and adaptation in a single fight than Deku has done in his entire career. As for Gon, again, no you don't get it. Gon will let innocent people die if it suits his ends. In fact, he was ready to kill Komugi bimself, the definition of an innocent bystander, to help his revenge for Kite. He will easily forgive unrepentant serial murderers if they help him out once, but will condemn others to die if they don't. He is literally amoral. Gon is NOT like other shounen protags. It honestly sounds like you haven't even seen or finished the shows you're talking about.
@remmborn8154
@remmborn8154 6 жыл бұрын
Light Yagami he still uses punches youll s inthe upcoming fight
@kingboo0897uli
@kingboo0897uli 6 жыл бұрын
The Sword Art Online Dickriding Association finally someone speaking facts. Glad u made that comment. A lot of delusional fans dick riding mha too much
@Bartholomew-hu4vg
@Bartholomew-hu4vg 6 жыл бұрын
“I broke my arms, TIME TO BREAK MY LEGS!!!”
@mrcheng9382
@mrcheng9382 6 жыл бұрын
wtf all might never «sought out to the heroic culture and build a strong heroic task force» all he did was passed down his duties to midoria. I agree with the other examples but part of the appeal of Naruto is to see his growth. That is also why when we see Naruto and Sasuke running towards each other and seeing them grow from a kid and going to teenage is soooo nostalgic.
@caseyhudson4929
@caseyhudson4929 6 жыл бұрын
He was talking about the counterattack, when he smashed through the fucking wall to save Bakugo, with a... y'know _strong heroic task force_ at his back.
@spinobimkiii7443
@spinobimkiii7443 6 жыл бұрын
Neat video. Though I can’t help but feel underwhelmed by Shoot Style, if only because it’s basically “Deku learns that he can kick things with his quirk after 50 episodes”. I was like “oh, that’s it?” You’d think that would have been one of the first type of moves he would try, but nope. I do agree that the escalation issue in Naruto was a drag, but I honestly think it makes sense. For example, Of course Madara and Hashirama were super strong. They had to be, otherwise all that build up would have been wasted. One could argue that they were way more stronger than they should have been, and I would agree with that. I also agree about the point that it was kind of disappointing that the Rasen-Shuriken was said to be incredibly dangerous to use, yet eventually Naruto was able to spam it like no one’s business. It would have been nice if he had tried to go in another route, but I honestly don’t think Naruto needed to change his move set because of the symbolism behind each of his jutsu. Like some have mentioned, the Rasengan is a torch passed down from his father and teacher, and all the variants of it are Naruto putting his spin on it and growing. The Shadow Clone jutsu represents his loneliness, etc. To have him go “welp, I guess I’ll stop using the rasengan and shadow clones and make something up on the fly” wouldn’t really mesh well with the overall themes of the story imo. Basically, Deku changing moveset to shoot style makes sense because of his physical injuries, and because of his drive to be the best hero he can be in his own quirky way. Naruto’s evolving moveset is a reflection of the dreams and ideals he’s inherited by others who have come before him and influenced him in his life, while he also makes it his own and puts his spin on things. Will of fire and all that jazz. Also, I actually enjoyed the talk-no-jutsu. Getting foes to see the flaws in their world views is something I enjoy in general. One can argue it was done too many times, but whatever. I’m a huge Narutard, and I’m not sorry.
@DivineCoyote
@DivineCoyote 6 жыл бұрын
LOVED this! My Hero Academia is amazing in my eyes for these exact reasons! I believe in change and seeing characters that do just that is super encouraging and amazing. I love this show over Naruto any day! Because of these changes the characters go through, we have relatable ones. I could never see myself in Naruto world, but I really relate to Bakugou and his changing arc... Yes, he is changing! So well done with this video and I respect that you said your wrong, that takes a better person and a person willing to change to do such a thing. Keep up the great work!
@Avarn388
@Avarn388 6 жыл бұрын
This was a very erudite view on MHA especially compared to Naruto. I think something that is glossed over when discussing MHA is how intelligent the mangaka, Horikoshi was in terms of structuring the narrative. There are very subtle subversions that have taken place during the story. Take, Midoriya. Most, Shonen protagonists usually have these following traits: Charismatic, self-righeous, and stupid. Emphasis on the latter due to it being a flaw. A simplistic flaw, sure? But effective. Just look at Naruto. Midoriya bucks this trend due to him being intelligent. Yes, he suffers from self-confidence issues and that is not new. look, at Tsuna from Hitman Reborn. But what this does is that it better signals Midoriya's growth. This being in how he conducts fight, aka learning to use his Quirk. But as you also said, his viewpoint on how he should conduct himself in battle/ being a hero. It is this, combined with some steady power-scaling that makes MHA to me very appealing. And while not as refined as HXH, it more than makes up for it in the character department and escalation.
@SomeRandomDude000000
@SomeRandomDude000000 6 жыл бұрын
literally all shonen protags are intelligent. Its just only in battle pragmatism which is really the only time it would be useful for them. Even Naruto is constantly displayed to be very clever if given the chance. Deku is smart too sure but again like all other shonen protags it only ever comes up when he's in battle. Even then its not that much. Honestly I don't remember him ever once using his notebook with vast research of quirks to his advantage in a fight.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
The difference in Shounen protagonist lies in the focus of their character: For Goku it is insatiable thirst for challenge and growth. That's what describes him more than anything else. For Luffy it is his sense of freedom and adventure. Strength and growth are only things he wants to get that freedom. For Naruto it is his ideals of how society should work, how people should be treated as humans and not tools, understanding. Only looking at their surface-characteristics to define them neglects the true themes they symbolise.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
p.s - I meant battle shounen, not counting many other types of shounen protagnoists.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
+Wayne Ekeh the difference is that unlike a lot of shonen protags not from JoJo, Deku actually tries to utilise actual strategy and we get to see his thought processes in how to deal with a situation. and th notebook merely is a tool to show us his strength as a staretgist: remember once he knew about the quirks of those he fought beside and against did he come up with better strategies to fight.
@Avarn388
@Avarn388 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon I agree with this and I was by no way implying that these simplistic traits do not have any merit. For what makes characters, like Goku, Luffy and Naruto so endearing is that there is nuance to them as characters. Goku is a guy driven to fight for the sake of a challenge. Yusuke Urameshi, a character I actually prefer to Deku, clearly demonstrates the traits I mentioned above. But there's a reason why he's like that. Namely due to a lack of structure and him being lost/ directionless. So when he does find people that he cares about, it is less about protecting the world as it is protecting those closet to him. Overall, I hope that this helps.
@clarar2547
@clarar2547 6 жыл бұрын
That’s why I can’t wait for season 5 because he actually breaks down his growth in fighting to figure out how to expand his fighting style.
@Jiggonomics
@Jiggonomics 6 жыл бұрын
You're pretty good at this. Your editing style is interesting is different. And with anything, being different is how you stand out. Keep it up. Btw have you watched Hunter X Hunter?
@ChristUponus
@ChristUponus 6 жыл бұрын
Jiggonomics He obviously hasn't, I understand outright disliking hunter x hunter for your own personal reasons but calling Gon mediocre and placing him besides naruto and asta? You would have to be a fool do/say something like that
@sirilluminarthevaliant2895
@sirilluminarthevaliant2895 6 жыл бұрын
Talk no jutsu is a common thing because each villain has an inner hypocrisy naruto points out
@LOKKAL24
@LOKKAL24 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry I have to address the claim about Jiraiya never changing... until training with in the arts of sage mode, he really was a mirror of Naruto. However the impact of of learning sage mode and events that unfolded at mount Myoboku are what led to differences in their characters. Naruto learns sage mode in order to protect the Hidden Leaf( which was also a stark difference to Narutos goals at the start of the series...to become Hokage and gain everyone's respect) Whereas Jiraiya's character shifts upon being handed the prophecy. Which was really a defining moment in maturing Jiraiya's character, into a teacher. Drawing a parallel between Adult Sasuke and Jiraiya who both have the shadow Hokage role. In essence, Jiraiya's fighting spirit never changed but his Character went through many defining moments that changed him. Anyway, good vid.
@therosejoker3685
@therosejoker3685 6 жыл бұрын
Can't we all just come together and not argue about two great shonen characters and instead just admire them for being great characters in their own respective rights, and just talk about how they both came a long way to get to where they're at to be very motivational to us the audience.
@rodney2x48
@rodney2x48 6 жыл бұрын
7:38 this is exactly how I felt about Goku’s newer forms in DB Super. Goku just gets new forms because he got stronger, but they don’t really do anything different. They’re all just different hair colors but each new one is artificially stronger, faster and better than the last for the sake of pandering and fan service. It makes Goku’s constant need of getting stronger to become infuriating because all this ridiculous power creep makes no goddamn sense. Goku doesn’t change his tactics or does anything differently, he just powers up and pulls a new hair color out of his butt to beat the antagonist and does this in every fucking arc. Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, stacking Kaioken on top of that and then Ultra Instinct. There’s barely any difference between what he can do in those forms and what he can do in normal ass Super Saiyan in terms of visuals and feats. I get that it’s Dragon Ball and it’s made for kids, but you’d think they would try and spice things up and change the way they do things instead of just constantly repeating the same shit but worse.
@frosty6395
@frosty6395 6 жыл бұрын
Your analysis on the part of the series of Naruto was very incorrect and honestly all over the place. I would love to debate you on every single point you made cause they were all incorrect.
@a.p3877
@a.p3877 6 жыл бұрын
ShirouMax sooo true
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
thank you...hes biased wrong and subjectively opinionated....notice how he attacked the fillers...that is how you know someone is an idiot...the flllers aren't important and thats just how the anime was made so people could feed their families...theres nothing wrong with filler..my hero has a lot of it too...they just takes breaks...naruto had to weekly have an episode made...so they lack in quality some times....it has nothing to do with his points he just felt like attacking filler because and he forgets how some filler add to characters like the team mintao filler showing that rin connected kakashi and obito telling minato dont worry ill be their lifeline...thats a great moment....but its not in the manga....smdh.....naruto is so deep as a series and this fool just looks at it from a enjoyment level it feels like..no naruto was not close to as enjoyable as my hero or one piece but thats because its not a fun world story its a depressing one character focused storyline that is more introspective then outrospective...the other characters matter only compared to naruto not each other....even someone like itachi while many compare to sasuke he and narutos contrast is really important because itachi gave up while naruto would of found a way to find peace between the uchiha and leaf not give up and just slaughter them....like its so interesting how obito in particular is contrasted with naruto same for pain and madara but especially obito...naruto is hope belief convictions and so is obito..
@MiguelitoJimz
@MiguelitoJimz 6 жыл бұрын
Well, the reason why Talk no Jutsu of Naruto works was because each enemy had a contradiction is their ideology and therefore, when Naruto pointed and adressed that contradiction, they changed their mind, it wasn't because positivism bs, it was because they realized they were wrong, for example, Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, there's a video called "In defense of Talk no Jutsu" that covers the entire topic. Also, there are a couple of videos explaining Sasuke's point of view and Madara as well. People complain about villains change their mind, but also complain when villains are evil for the sake of being evil and doesn't change their ideology, so what do you people want? Do you say people overlook Boku no Hero academia fights, but you do the same with Naruto, i mean, you are being a hypocrite. Just like every villain in Naruto. I understand the point of series focusing only of making the power scaling higher and higher, but that doesn't eliminate the value of the stories they can make. Naruto and Boku no Hero have different messages. BTW even if Naruto had the "genes" to be a great ninja, it doesn't mean he had it easy, he sure had POTENTIAL to grow, but he didn't have the talent. He wasn't a genius. He has a lot of chakra but couldn't do a simple clone jutsu in the academy, he had the 9 tailed beast sealed inside him, but he couldn't control it and was being consumed by that power, he was the "chosen one" of Ashura's will, but those things mean nothing if you don't work hard to make that potential be real skill.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
He is GENIUS. Just underdog one. Remember how long Jiraiya and 4th Hokage train to get rasengan? EDIT : But in the end, he not really Underdog.
@kiryukanzaki1141
@kiryukanzaki1141 6 жыл бұрын
The reason I personally have to disagree with your assessment, Miguel, is that people don't simply change with a one-off speech in reality. For people like Gaara or Obito, their view of the world was cemented through years of abuse/trauma. One person's speech can't simply change their views/ideals right off the bat. People firmly rooted in their beliefs don't simply admit they are wrong and turn over a new leaf over the course of a conversation from some random individual who just walked in. It's called talk no jutsu because it brings about unrealistic conclusions that should normally take a longer amount of time to bring about.
@MrBahaamra
@MrBahaamra 6 жыл бұрын
Kiryu Kanzaki yeah but I’m naruto’s defense, the “villains” realize he also went through similar shit like them because he’s obviously telling them his story through talk no jutsu and then adds his morals. So the villains see this kid who went through a lot of bad shit like them but still has a positive outlook on life and is even beating them in a fight. So, this kind of does give them that whole, “oh maybe if I’m not a dick and be more like this kid I can/could’ve be/been better. This kid is special, I like him” thought process.
@kiryukanzaki1141
@kiryukanzaki1141 6 жыл бұрын
@Baha Amra That wouldn't result in them changing their outlook so quickly though. If anything, it would cause them to feel conflicted about their ideals and motivations, which would not result in them having a 180 change of heart to the "good side." As for the more fanatical antagonists in Naruto, they would more likely feel even more disdain towards Naruto for being able to succeed where they failed, and cause them to want to kill him even more. They would want to eliminate someone who stood as a pillar against their beliefs, and could potentially root them even further in their twisted way of thinking (think Hidan, as an example, who was a popular villain in Naruto). The issue is that Naruto somehow convinces his enemies to turn over a new leaf in the course of 1 battle most of the time, which is completely unrealistic and unrelatable. Humans aren't so fickle and non-stubborn as to believe the words of others so willingly. It's years of trauma/abuse/anger/egotism vs a couple minutes of a battle against the protagonist and his talk no jutsu speech. Pacing is key.
@hunterskull1573
@hunterskull1573 6 жыл бұрын
I believe you are overlooking the idea in Naruto that skilled ninja can converse through battle, similar to how the Sage of Six Paths envisioned ninshu (although a lot more deadly). Which leads to characters seeing other viewpoints faster. Although you are right this would be unrealistic in reality their is a cannon explanation. Perhaps view it as the fight basically being both shinobi shooting each other with The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy's Point Of View Gun until eventually one point of view wins. XD. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKnSZH2vaNVrsNE
@Skeiths
@Skeiths 6 жыл бұрын
I stopped listening to this video when you said Naruto was just about getting stronger and fighting. Like what the fuck? Out of all the shonen things, fighting is like the last thing Naruto is about, You're talking more about Dragon Ball Z than anything, where it's fighting and the main character always wins.
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 6 жыл бұрын
Does that mean when Shigaraki gets development he will walk around with a foot on his face?
@kaizenzenkai402
@kaizenzenkai402 6 жыл бұрын
Anime delivers and teaches about life that nothing else can even touch. It's just not about cartoons, cool fights. They hold messages and ideas, that you can take and change for yourself. I really do have to wonder about the Japanese culture vs our own in America. "Only other culture I can speak of". Other than some movies, like Kung Fu Panda, meet the robinsons, and Lego movie. I don't see much content, that holds empowering messages as I have seen from Anime. I would really love to talk to the creators, ask questions, and just to see where they pull this stuff from. They pull one-liners out of nowhere that makes you question everything and such character development that embraces change and growth. Great video man, you know how to dig deep.
@redraft5939
@redraft5939 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can smell the bias all the way from here.
@remmborn8154
@remmborn8154 6 жыл бұрын
Redraft yeh
@TofuIsSleepy
@TofuIsSleepy 5 жыл бұрын
He said he still likes the show, he never said one was better. He said what he preferred. And he is not wrong about most of it.
@gpearce11
@gpearce11 5 жыл бұрын
Garrett Phyra He definitely implied MHA was better than Naruto. He was right, of course, so I don’t see a problem. Naruto has some of the best fight choreography I’ve seen in any medium, animated or otherwise, but the overall quality of the show is severely lacking compared to MHA.
@oceanplanet8160
@oceanplanet8160 5 жыл бұрын
@@gpearce11 It isn't. Stop saying it like it's a fact.
@quinnb.8762
@quinnb.8762 6 жыл бұрын
Love the video and all but that fucking clip of Spinner spinning through the LOV got me 👏👏👏
@calvinlai4542
@calvinlai4542 6 жыл бұрын
Forced analysis IMHO. I "get" the point... But, I think it's major straw manning on Naruto.
@name10891089
@name10891089 6 жыл бұрын
I love myhero, but like its pointed out he grows very visibly. But at the end of the day it isnt the same story. One is the story of a boy who wants to become hokage, not because he wants to be the strongest, but because he wants to be respected, he wants to have a family. The other is a story of a boy who wants to prove even someone with out powers can be a hero, but turns immediately on that when given powers, his new goal is to get strong enough in order to be the symbol of peace, in order to protect those around him. At no point in the beginning of naruto did he say he wanted to save people, but as time went on he grew more and more attached to people choosing to grow in order to protect them. Deku on the other hand wants to prove to people that he can be a splendid hero, but chooses to not only become a splendid hero but to become the next symbol of peace once given the order to. It wasnt his choice more so all might gave it to him knowing he wouldn't turn down the chance of having powers.
@RangerNationDubs
@RangerNationDubs 6 жыл бұрын
I dont get it, so your just gonna over look the fact that naruto is a series about change both in the world and in ones own mind and body.Naruto was a kid who was all talk who grew threw things like creating his ninja way,learning to make friends,and even redefining the idea of "wanting to be hokage" over and over again.Naruto even becomes a pasifist to a degree only fighting when he needs to.But much rather talk it out and not continue the cycle something he only learned from pain.He went from being a self taught brawler too learning a completely new fighting style.And the reason he can do rasengshuriken isnt because he throws it,his sage modes healing stops the degeneration.Its true that the characters constantly gain power,but it usually comes from a sacrifice or change within themselves.I like the sentiment but when its built on other wise over looked observations or alternative facts.Then i cant even say its a good one.To say naruto doesnt change means you werent even really looking at it in the first place.
@AhmadKiam
@AhmadKiam 6 жыл бұрын
Landin Stewart Not after the Pain Arc, all power ups after that was handed to him on a Silver plate.
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
Ahmad Kiam there is a difference in something given to you for free and something given to you because you deserve it. Naruto is all about entrusting one's powers,hopes and dreams and Naruto hinself proved worthy to be entrusted with them. He didnt get it all for free. He got it for his actions
@tameone
@tameone 6 жыл бұрын
handed to him? nothing was handed to naruto..just to be able to use the chakra he has...that gives him the ability to use the powers he uses...he had to change the heart of a tailed beast...thats crazy, that is one of his biggest strengths
@AhmadKiam
@AhmadKiam 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon You can look at it in any way you want and say that it has a "deeper meaning" doesnot mean that it wasnot handed to him.
@AhmadKiam
@AhmadKiam 6 жыл бұрын
tameone Kushina allready taimed Kurama before Naruto, he just needed to reason with him to fight againt a sharingan/Rennigan user (Madara) which what Kurama has a deep heatred for.
@ThexDynastxQueen
@ThexDynastxQueen 6 жыл бұрын
I think without one having an emotional investment in and understanding of Deku him learning to use his legs isn't gonna come off as much. He's a fanboy still learning that One for All is HIS quirk that can be evolved and that All Might hasn't perfected it. So yeah realizing _"Oh shit I got legs!"_ isn't big but the reasons behind it and what it means for his progression is which is MHA's core.
@RAMZAVFX
@RAMZAVFX 6 жыл бұрын
love that matpat joke bro
@joshuabauschke168
@joshuabauschke168 6 жыл бұрын
This was incredible to watch. Especially after watching your last video. Your engaging style and discussion is awesome. Keep it up man!
@terrellwilliams6945
@terrellwilliams6945 6 жыл бұрын
Why does everybody always overhype MHA and think that it’s the best anime in the world?
@OneSpikeyGuy
@OneSpikeyGuy 6 жыл бұрын
Terrell Williams You mean like with a shitload of anime? On ice, attack on titans, dragonball - its just normal.
@RexZor76
@RexZor76 6 жыл бұрын
Because it is trying to change lmao. The manga is showing me that this is going to be a unique series that took from previous shounen just to grab the audience attention.
@fightingmedialounge519
@fightingmedialounge519 6 жыл бұрын
Really, then you must have been reading a different manga.
@Kenzosmuse
@Kenzosmuse 6 жыл бұрын
It's not but it's gonna surpass some of them, i mean, it IS taking all the aspects from our favorite shows and just improving upon them
@Kenzosmuse
@Kenzosmuse 6 жыл бұрын
its not. Corey. In. The. House.
@Matthew_Murray
@Matthew_Murray 6 жыл бұрын
The best thing about shoot style is how obviously it’s hinted at well in advance, the most notable example is durning the Stain fight. There is a huge focus on Midoriya’s mobility.
@RoyalPrince-md8xz
@RoyalPrince-md8xz 6 жыл бұрын
1:04 wow so Gon is “another normal anime Hero”? The disrespect 🤦🏽‍♂️ especially since he’s a better protagonist than Deku
@ChristUponus
@ChristUponus 6 жыл бұрын
RoyalPrince 1517 Good to know a handful of people caught that ridiculous error. It's a great video but I can't just forget about that dunderhead statement.
@EpicMinecraftFail
@EpicMinecraftFail 6 жыл бұрын
Ikr made me wanna dislike the video real quick. Such an ignorant statement
@Carlos-ne3zf
@Carlos-ne3zf 6 жыл бұрын
RoyalPrince 1517 Gon is an hypocrite and dumb as a rock.... that' s what makes him awesome and believable
@timeflies570
@timeflies570 6 жыл бұрын
RoyalPrince 1517 I think he's just saying that Gon's fighting style never changes
@Carlos-ne3zf
@Carlos-ne3zf 6 жыл бұрын
Time Flies yeah but it makes sense for his character and in the show's logic since he is an enhancer, enhancer's fighting styles aren't really too smart or complicated. If his hatsu was control o transform it would be a problem.
@dev__adi
@dev__adi 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with the overall message of the video. It's a great comparison and it showcases why me and many other people love My Hero Aca. The only thing I'd like to add is there were some changes withing Naruto & Sasuke. Sasuke developed his own new technique Kirin because he knew just by making his Chidori more powerful wouldn't kill Itachi. For Naruto he changed by accepting his jinchuuriki status and making Kurama his friend instead of treating him as an enemy.
@zeroguy3465
@zeroguy3465 6 жыл бұрын
Unique? Sorry man but i see alot of generic tropes and cliches in mha. That doesn't mean its bad but you can't just ignore the flaws
@zeroguy3465
@zeroguy3465 6 жыл бұрын
Emilio Valdovinos exactly. But saying its changing is garbage bull
@heyarnold7256
@heyarnold7256 5 жыл бұрын
"Generic tropes" or "cliches" aren't "flaws" in the first place so that point is moot. lol.
@pkattk
@pkattk 6 жыл бұрын
This attention to detail and evolution of characters is really unique for the genre. I've been off the anime train for a while now, but My Hero sucked me back in because it was just so refreshing.
@flaviozx2395
@flaviozx2395 6 жыл бұрын
watch my video "The unique property of change by digimon"
@Axxidous
@Axxidous 6 жыл бұрын
You're giving a lot of examples of how they didn't change and here I am thinking of the ways they DID change. Meanwhile, Midoriya using his legs is NOT really a change to me because it's like when he learned to just flick his fingers instead of throwing punches, or use full cowling instead of just focusing in his arms, or learning to jump around like Bakugo. It's an addition. He isn't quitting his arms. He's evening himself out and refraining from overusing his arms. Later on he'll likely go back to including punches again and alternating. So what the hell is so amazing about this? It's a little cool but these viewers need to take a full dosage of chill. It is not THAT unique from shines anime as a whole like the prodigy people are making it out to be. I like the show a lot but I'd like to not get carried away.
@SomeRandomDude000000
@SomeRandomDude000000 6 жыл бұрын
I cant wait for this anime to finally end so that swaths of people who previously sucked its dick can now say "oh wait mha was actually really flawed" like what happened with Naruto
@spwn6738
@spwn6738 6 жыл бұрын
He’s not saying that what he does physically is the main point he’s saying that what this mean for his way of thinking is a huge change. He went from “I’m going to destroy my body if it means 1 life saved” to “ok let me think of a way to not only save their lives but also my own” it’s not just a change in power but a change in ideology
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
spWn shhh... narutard are too stupid to understand that.
@SomeRandomDude000000
@SomeRandomDude000000 6 жыл бұрын
@@spwn6738 literally every Shonen protag has a change in ideology. Literally all of them
@EpicMinecraftFail
@EpicMinecraftFail 6 жыл бұрын
@@SomeRandomDude000000 HxH. Nuff said
@fakestarlas45
@fakestarlas45 6 жыл бұрын
That's a really nice analysis, though I feel after the next 2 arcs this is all going to be thrown in the trash bin. In any case, maybe it signals another complete shift which I may need to go through to understand.
@golyloxgolylox7878
@golyloxgolylox7878 6 жыл бұрын
4:17 WHAT? This dude didn't watch Naruto at all... They didn't think of the risks? Also too much growth? How is that ba- nvm. This channel is a joke. 6:41 Alright am done. Naruto,Sakura,Sasuke and Itachi vs Zabuza.... Thats the answer.
@timothygooding9544
@timothygooding9544 6 жыл бұрын
golden quality editing right here I can tell it was fun to make
@baderalsada7116
@baderalsada7116 6 жыл бұрын
Madara actually changed his mind before he died😂
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
LAME
@bisexualmajima
@bisexualmajima 6 жыл бұрын
The only villain who wasn't Kaguya and didn't change their mind was Danzo. He died thinking he was right and in death _was_ essentially proven right (in his own mind) because he was being killed by the one Uchiha he wasn't allowed to kill of all people.
@crozecamp
@crozecamp 5 жыл бұрын
He didn’t tho
@kk8490
@kk8490 5 жыл бұрын
What, when did that happen??
@SPworld101
@SPworld101 4 жыл бұрын
You need to come back and post more videos. I just found you and I love it the ending was a bit abrupt but overall all your points were solid
@thirdrebirth7683
@thirdrebirth7683 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's that special. At least with Shounen I've seen, I've not seen a character who HAS to change their fighting style because it is unsustainable. Just seems like more MHA circlejerk.
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
naruto went from clones to summons to ninetails to rasengans and then god and sage modes but he didnt diversify how he fights like deku going from hands to feet?..okay then..this moron didnt watch naruto….smdh..what a clown...deku barley changed how he fights..naruto added and changed it all up cause he was always at a disadvantage as a fighter due to not having gifts
@syphin2286
@syphin2286 5 жыл бұрын
@@razkable Well rasengans basically from the beginning, clones basically throughout, summons barely and does the whole power ranger thing.... sage mode is basically the only change as....... no gifts..... Kurama and Ausura freaking reincarnation... NO before someone replies to this... I love Naruto, and I love mha as well.. and I like Naruto more as Mha isn't over yet so I'm not being biased I'm just debunking his comment.
@vbarreiro
@vbarreiro 6 жыл бұрын
I was writing a comment about how this editing style seems derivative of Game Theory, and then he throws shade at MatPat... it would feel like a more earned criticism if it didn’t look identical. As in, if it were muted I would assume it’s a Game Theory episode.
@akuthehuman3680
@akuthehuman3680 6 жыл бұрын
Even though they're so similar and so different they're both good*in my eyes* too bad narutos tournament was better than mhas
@nanda12345ful
@nanda12345ful 6 жыл бұрын
Naruto's tournament didn't even have a winner. They interrupted it with an invasion. At least MHA had the balls to choose a winner, and the winner isn't even the main protagonist.
@akuthehuman3680
@akuthehuman3680 6 жыл бұрын
Irfan Iswananda narutos was interrupeted by plot that doesnt mean they were scared it means they wanted to advance the story. Mhas is just a normal 1v1 scenario not really showing us anything new
@TheRedBloodedge
@TheRedBloodedge 6 жыл бұрын
@@akuthehuman3680 I'll have to agree here, I vastly prefer Naruto's because it was an entire plot with build up and then a satisfying ending with the invasion. HeroAca's, however, was different because it's significance was about the characters dealing with personal stuff so, in a way, it's just an extension of the school training they were already doing
@Blake37405
@Blake37405 6 жыл бұрын
The 3rd hokage dies in the tournament arc who dies besides villains in MHA
@Oatlis
@Oatlis 6 жыл бұрын
@@Blake37405 does someone need to die for an arc to be important?
@reigen.
@reigen. 6 жыл бұрын
I like our underwhelming outros. :) Very soothing.
@naimthebyrdman5068
@naimthebyrdman5068 6 жыл бұрын
No joke this video is very misguided 😓.
@runi.7498
@runi.7498 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@synxer5474
@synxer5474 6 жыл бұрын
Explain.
@nelybean
@nelybean 6 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@golyloxgolylox7878
@golyloxgolylox7878 6 жыл бұрын
Synnable Just watch the video and think for yourself. Also the uploader completed ONLY 19 anime and is making these videos...
@dc7981
@dc7981 6 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHmnZIZ7lNOKo7c
@quinnb.8762
@quinnb.8762 6 жыл бұрын
Eyyyy, you got 7500! Congrats man, you deserve it! I love your analysis videos so much, I’m glad you can make ur own goals possible too! Plus ultra! ✊✊✊
@squwiidp7244
@squwiidp7244 6 жыл бұрын
6:35 you cant even say that lol, deku has one for all. Its the same, both mains have the strongest power in the show but they dont know or cant control their power so they train to be able to use them at 100%, yeah deku has to find a knew fighting style and naruto just kept getting better at doing his shits. But lest be real, deku only punched, now its basically him learning how to fight, just like naruto grew to being one of the best tijutsu fighters in the show
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
OfA is not the strongest power in the show. Its powerfull, but not strongest.
@daddyman123456789
@daddyman123456789 6 жыл бұрын
squwiid p OFA is not the best quirk in MHA
@squwiidp7244
@squwiidp7244 6 жыл бұрын
All might was a pag of bones and with only one Punch he was able to defeat someone who mix up God knows how many quirks into his arm. I think its pretty strong Btw there have already been a lot of powers that in my opinion are better than one for all but however u look at it.... its a cheat
@o.s.i1344
@o.s.i1344 6 жыл бұрын
RealisticSimba I'm caught up on the manga and I didn't see any quirk stronger than One for All. Which 3 are you referring to?
@GoldenGameDev
@GoldenGameDev 6 жыл бұрын
The difference is that Midoriya has to make the ability his own. He can't just do what All Might did since that leads to his arms exploding. That's why so much of the show is dedicated to him changing up his way of fighting. Going from a full-fledged fist attack to just using one finger at a time, to using a small percentage all over his body, to using leg-based attacks to mitigate the effects on his arms. Naruto, on the other hand, can just power through any situation with massive amounts of chakra and a ridiculous number of powers. His development is mostly limited to relying on shadow-clones as much, but he still kind of does that even in Boruto. He also upgrades his ability over time, making it stronger, but that's not really change. Its development, yes, but not a change in perspective.
@jd30LPdef
@jd30LPdef 6 жыл бұрын
dude, I love your editing it's simple, yet creative af
@oKiirby
@oKiirby 6 жыл бұрын
MHA didn’t do anything different than what those other shounens you listed did .
@alecpanic
@alecpanic 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect this all of these fierce comment no jutsus to be jam packed with the hard ninja science.
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 6 жыл бұрын
Also Gigguks video is just generally wrong so there is that
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
I think when gigguk says 'dull', he really means 'not as long, drawn out or complex' as a majority of anime fights.
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 6 жыл бұрын
Sara Fontanini kzbin.info/www/bejne/e325i4l-mtaCfbM
@DANCERcow
@DANCERcow 6 жыл бұрын
That Spinner reference for his names sake when you showed the villains is 😎....... Yeah you know what you did!
@MK-ms4uz
@MK-ms4uz 6 жыл бұрын
1:04 Gon is a much better character than Deku, stop it.
@KazuKars
@KazuKars 6 жыл бұрын
No he isnt gon is a good character but Midoriya shows more feeling.
@yacine9809
@yacine9809 6 жыл бұрын
Midoriya is better
@Userdoesnotexit
@Userdoesnotexit 6 жыл бұрын
@@KazuKars deku is a cry baby fucck outta here
@Userdoesnotexit
@Userdoesnotexit 6 жыл бұрын
and he sucks ass
@KazuKars
@KazuKars 6 жыл бұрын
@@Userdoesnotexit fuck u mean? Deku is showing feeling as a human being Like every main character is suppose to, show actual feeling.
@PragmaticWolf
@PragmaticWolf 6 жыл бұрын
man considering how much goes into the quality of your videos, you should have a bigger fanbase
@ThatAnimeSnob
@ThatAnimeSnob 6 жыл бұрын
maybe if he was not stuffing his videos with so much bull, he would
@beastvicious8672
@beastvicious8672 6 жыл бұрын
Deku's damages aren't relevant, when he just heals right after anyway. Had the story actually incorporated some sorts of limits and repurcussions, you would have had a point. His fight against Muscular contradicts everything you say. Naruto also had to implement strategy and not just his rasengan, in order to win a fight. The escuse that the fights in MHA are bad, somehow makes it's other aspects good. Doesn't make sense. Naruto had both good fights and focused on it's characters progression, with some sort of message at the end. It's not bound to be one or the other, as you and Gigguk make it seem.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
Remember, there a scar in MHA verse. Unlike naruto tho.
@beastvicious8672
@beastvicious8672 6 жыл бұрын
A am not Zura A scar which does absolutely nothing. Had he lost a finger or something then it would have made his "risks" more interresting.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
Fearch 93 its not does absolute nothing. It waz a symbol. E.g scar on iida is a symbol of past mistake.
@beastvicious8672
@beastvicious8672 6 жыл бұрын
I am not Zura I care alot more for substance than "symbolism". "symbolism" doesn't change anything for the characters, or how things will play out in the future. You could argue Naruto's whiskers are symbolic, but it doesn't matter.
@sukanya90
@sukanya90 6 жыл бұрын
Fearch 93 And i care about both. The balance between booth aspect is needed to enhance the story. Symbolism doesnt need to play a big part of the story, but it enough to change a 'good story' to a 'great story'.
@evanfehring7488
@evanfehring7488 6 жыл бұрын
A good way to conceptualize your point is through physics terms. In this context, growth is speed, and change is velocity. A character can accelerate, changing speed, but must keep on the same path. However, a character can also accelerate, changing velocity, exploring a tangential path.
@CVCwood
@CVCwood 6 жыл бұрын
Naruto imho has a weaker base for it's world. The series was originally conceived to contain Mages and just because recent surveys showed that ninjas were more popular than mages they just copied and pasted the entire idea. While my hero Academia is based off of 50 + years of super hero tropes which have stood the test of time. My two cents on the difference your underplaying
@prathedragon9847
@prathedragon9847 6 жыл бұрын
What ..NO... The concept of ninjutsu was added naturally into Naruto. Naruto was a slice of life at first then concept of Yokai and magic were added which later on merged with concept of ninjutsu. Reminder that ninjutsu is a MAJOR part of Japanese magic and folklore. MHA's world is far less interesting than Naruto's shinobi villages. MHA is just normal world + super powers. Naruto's world has a different culture and structure which viewers gradually understand. MHA's does too but it's far less unique.
@EpicMinecraftFail
@EpicMinecraftFail 6 жыл бұрын
That's like saying full metal alchemist studied the whole entire history of alchemy so it instantly has a better base than black clover.
@ogcookie7961
@ogcookie7961 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon you’re also comparing a developing world to an already fleshed and established world
@CVCwood
@CVCwood 6 жыл бұрын
Pra The Dragon 🤔 oh wait! hahaha! your right, that isn't my opinion. Silly me 😅 Thanks again friend for correcting that with a firm UPERCASE "NO". 😬 Without it I would have forgotten that people can't have opinions differ. 🤐 I also want to commend you for finding all those differences that My Hero Academia has with other anime.🙏 Without those differences pointed out we would have never been able to come to the conclusion that it isn't unique, you see, because differences don't actually differ things anymore. 🙅 Sure missed that one too. 😥 Don't know what I'd do without you👌
@TheRedBloodedge
@TheRedBloodedge 6 жыл бұрын
@@CVCwood Please, never use emojis like this again I'm in literal pain my man
@ShadowDiver64
@ShadowDiver64 6 жыл бұрын
Just finished all your vids. Great work! Looking forward to future content.
@burner1534
@burner1534 5 жыл бұрын
Manga readers of MHA are laughing at this video now, jeez MHA how have you fallen. (It's still good but less good than before)
@EnkeEnkhtsogt
@EnkeEnkhtsogt 6 жыл бұрын
Chucklehut new upload in such short span of time PogChamp
@chrismondson128
@chrismondson128 6 жыл бұрын
lol he is still hurting himself and putting his body at risk
@ethanc.1443
@ethanc.1443 6 жыл бұрын
What's different is he's not completely destroying his limbs anymore. Everyone technically puts their life at risk in the series but Deku ends up making it less significant.
@Lyendith
@Lyendith 6 жыл бұрын
When your only choice is between "putting your body at risk" and "being erased from existence"… it's safe to assume that he chose the lesser evil there.
@caseyhudson4929
@caseyhudson4929 6 жыл бұрын
Putting yourself at risk is not the same as Deku's past self-destructive approach to heroism.
@tpl2023
@tpl2023 6 жыл бұрын
I love your style of editing, clever, funny, and entertaining. Proud to subscribe :)
@kingboo0897uli
@kingboo0897uli 6 жыл бұрын
One of the worst analysis i ever seen.
@Ангелвасилев-й1в
@Ангелвасилев-й1в 6 жыл бұрын
I dissagree with quite a few of your Naruto critiques but your overall point is solid so imma still gonna hit that like button and subscribe.
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
I think naruto is just too different of a show to compare to my hero ...they set out to do different things...naruto after sasuke leaves becomes a totally different series it developed into more mature themes messages story and morals and focused on different things then it started out as....it wasn't pure shonnen..it was very sennin in its outlook and narratives...its very depressing for a reason where as my hero is more upbeat and positive....notice how there haven't been like wars that divide the heroes or world up...notice how they dont have many gray area villains like stain for example and even he was more evil than gray like say a obito was with how he acted he was kinda a biased vigilante...but yeah they are 2 different shows..
@valteraa
@valteraa 6 жыл бұрын
This video makes absolutely no sense
@razkable
@razkable 5 жыл бұрын
people who like my hero more just need to say it and not lie behind why...just say it..naruto wasn't a series about its world or other characters its about the title...you expected it to be about something else that it never stated it would..my hero never states its the deku show so you enjoy that..its okay to admit it...thats your fault...it let you down....meanwhile it told a amazing emotional story...
@SuraimuWasTaken
@SuraimuWasTaken 6 жыл бұрын
"Deku discovers...legs!" Also, I appreciate the understanding and references to Pokemon.
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