The World is Not Ending | Bjørn Lomborg | EP 315

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Bjørn Lomborg discuss the present sense of impending doom that has swept the western world- and specifically today's young people. Together they break down the ideas of social credit and easy activism, and paint the picture of a world we can strive for, without the demonization and destruction of the one we currently inhabit.
Bjørn Lomborg is a Danish author, having written numerous books on climate change such as “False Alarm,” “The Skeptical Environmentalist,” and “How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place.” He is the president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center that focuses on doing the most good, for the most people, with increasingly limited budgets. Previously, Lomborg was the director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:30) Intro
(3:15) Symbolism of the climate cult
(13:35) Battle for balance
(19:17) Don’t panic
(23:20) the Messianic urge
(30:00) When it’s the end of the world
(34:00) Hyper simplified moralism
(40:00) The correct use of science
(46:00) The better solution, delayed gratification
(51:33) The problem with “need”
(53:45) Wealth for the typical person
(58:00) Imposing degrowth, inviting totalitarianism
(1:05:00) Flawed predictions, the real fight
(1:12:49) The wrong comparison, the right idea
(1:19:30) Indoor air pollution
(1:22:00) Education, double for nothing
(1:30:03) Zone of proximal development
(1:34:12) Ethical wealth
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[@Dickeyj2010]

I have fought this fight for 15 years as an economist and data scientist. Yet, never as eloquently as these two, seeing such great minds speak logic and reason gives me hope for the world.

[@laurengalan2760]

You are not alone!!💖

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

Hope

[@ruthblanka7014]

Jordan Peterson is a world treasure. Thank you, Jordan, for enlightening us once again ❤

[@jamiemiller1885]

Thankyou dr.peterson. You in part saved my life. I'm doing my best to be sober and to regulate my anger. I was no one just a weak bitter man at 29 years of age. I'm now in the beginning stages of starting a career in search and rescue. Thankyou.

[@johnfairbairn1927]

Well done Jamie. For the future,when things start to still in your mind, you will look back at your time in Search and Rescue as some of the most fulfilling in your life. Stay strong my friend.

[@marypuig4788]

❤ AWESOME!!! STAY STRONG KEEP LOOKING FORWARD. !!!! EVERYDAY IS ANOTHER CHANCE FOR A BETTER YOU AND ME 😊. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

[@laurengalan2760]

How wonderful! Know that you are deeply deeply loved and precious. Your efforts are seen and valued. Thank you for sharing, love and god bless you💖💖

[@cooked.gaming]

Fuck yeah Jamie! How you doing now? Best of luck in everything 🙏

[@redshoesredshoes]

Jamie, an inspirational story! Well done, keep moving forward!😊😊

[@ex7229]

Finally something that gives a positive message about existence and doesn't lecture me about how terrible I am for being alive.

[@upbestsalt1551]

I thought it was just me who felt like this

[@Torgo1969]

@@upbestsalt1551 We are legion in every region.

[@rebirthmode3437]

@@Torgo1969 Mark 5:9

[@leontienvanderbeek3209]

I am a teacher and this resonates. I have been increasingly concerned that we are presenting a doom and gloom future to our students. But i then realised that every topic I teach is really a good news story it just needs to be presented as such. Poverty worldwide is reducing so why only focus on the remaining global inequality when the story is that we are moving towards a better future. Our students need to see a future that is positive as well as challenging. Thanks for this discussion its bang on.

[@hellabella8295]

Things are getting WORSE.. ELECTRICITY IS NOW UNRELIABLE AND MY COUNTRY PAYS NEARLY THE MOST IN THE WORLD AND WE HAVE EVERY SUBSTANCE IN ABUNDANCE HERE.. People are absolutely suffering and DYING BECAUSE VULNERABLE PEOPLE CANT HEAT AND COOL THEIR HOMES.. We got rid of all coal powered plants and actually powered our entire state with renewables for over 18 minutes a few months ago.. so at any stage renewables are being used due to everyone having solar panels AND YET THE COST FOR POWER IS HURTING PEOPLE.. AND BUSINESS.. ITS NOT CHEAPER.. ITS GOING TO GO UP OVER 50% in the next few months and it’s a DISASTER! The world climate summit concluded the biggest issue is STORAGE AND THERE IS NO WAY TO STORE ENOUGH POWER FOR CITIES NOW.. AND DISASTERS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN because coal powered plants are not being maintained and most are closing and ENTIRE CITIES ARE GOING TO BE STUFFED BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE PLAN B.. THERE IS NO PLAN TO POWER OUR COUNTRY AND THIS KNEE JERK REACTIONS IS A TOTAL DISASTER.. There is no sensible plan and people are dying now.. it’s bad..

[@andreas.9175]

@@theepsteindiaries You must prefer to listen to Ye?

[@ducthman4737]

Indeed, the way the climate is presented is one of the most horrific ways of child abuse.

[@annafields6584]

That is a wonderful way to approach teaching. So much healthier too

[@garysarela4431]

From 2000-2016, the fossil fuel industry spent nearly $2 billion lobbying to prevent climate action in the US.

[@waynehogg3882]

I really appreciate this dialog. MY first reaction to this conversation was to think again about nature. I was born in northeastern New Mexico. In those days we didn't have cellphones, 4-wheelers, nor email. Everyone on farms and ranches everyone started working as soon as they could walk. You grew into harder and more complicated work. Most of these tasks were performed outside. As a consequence, I literally spent hundreds of hours outside. Many of those tasks were performed horseback. My father gave me my first horse when I was 7 years old. In the following years I worked 4 different ranches, two of them exceeded 100000 acres. I have seen places back in the mountains that only a few people have seen even to this day. The point is that I lived out in nature most of my waking hours. Even to this day I can sit on the porch to relax and observe nature. One of the things I have learned that there are certain actions that are dangerous because there are rules that make things work in nature. Be mean with a horse and the horse will eventually buck and otherwise rebel. Be patient and kind to a horse, the horse will like you. Another rule is that if you go out at night in the winter, you need more clothing than you do in the summer. Ignore this rule and you might end up dead. Obey the rules, nature is more kind to you. Another rule is that plants breathe out oxygen. We breathe out carbon. Get rid of carbon, the plants will die. Then people will die because the plants are giving us oxygen. And so on, so obey the rules and you will probably live a long productive life.

[@maggyhanrahan]

Beautifully put. Thank God for pod casts with such content. We are at a time with so much amasing information avalable, that we all as a species may have access to it thanks🙏

[@grandma3442]

I grew up on a dairy farm in southwest Pennsylvania and I spent my days outside outside too. We only went in the house to eat & we knew when that was because we'd get hungry. I remember picking 5 gallon buckets full of blackberries and putting up hay every summer. Those were the best days.

[@marydavida8243]

Wonderfully put

[@markj7612]

Hello Wayne - Back around 1966, I attended New Mexico Tech, and for a while I had a roommate named Wayne Hogg. I'm guessing that you're that man. Often wondered how you got on. Kind regards, Mark Johns, Silver City, NM

[@nancypulley]

Let’s see if I got this right 🤔 Say JBP has 6.3 million subscribers And statistically what’s the likelihood that 2 of them knew each other 56 years ago and within a couple hours said 2 men watched this podcast - one wrote a neat story, the other replied “ hey I know of you from the way beck machine “ And that’s why we love living - cuz you can’t make this stuff up! Hope it’s true that you were roommates. Awesome tangent to the podcast Jordan so loves these deep dives with Bjorne ( as do I ) and we all so gratefully get wiser. Cheers, Nancy

[@gary_michael_flanagan_wildlife]

I’m a bird photographer and it’s true that the messages such as these are simply not discussed with a lot of conservation groups. It’s very much radical left ideology. We need these discussions and before it’s too late

[@bristolfashion4421]

CO2 levels don't belong to any political party - they just keep rising, with disaserous consequences... its really that simple.

[@Ranfelt77]

This man make me proud to be danish!

[@Sidewinder1999]

@@johnnynotenglish9751 No, you're a grifter. Now politely crawl back into the gutter you came from. Bye leftist :)

[@Sidewinder1999]

@@johnnynotenglish9751 Johnny, I promise you wouldn't speak that way to my face.

[@DavidAF311]

When KZbin fact check tags the video you know facts are about to be spoken!

[@brentatkinschryssilvestre8012]

A badge of honor along with COVID fact warnings.

[@curtisshoemaker2541]

Straight facts

[@goudagirl6095]

Hardly. If you believe those fact checkers carry any weight, you are being fooled.

[@Sidewinder1999]

@@goudagirl6095 That was his whole point, did you not get the joke?

[@musicandfilms9956]

Sadly, in this case, it's a load of misinformed disinformation. Perhaps you ought to be asking why these two men, who obviously know little or nothing about climate change, are so enthusiastically promoting the lies that the energy corporations peddle?

[@damianives2722]

Every now and then I go on a JBP binge and I always come out the other side feeling blessed to be able to listen in on these deep conversations that have had such a profound impact on so many of our lives. Like my calling will eventually be just as great if I stick to Truth w.e that Truth may be. Thank you.

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

I feel hesitant but obligated to question the Truth part... is that more like "stick to not lying" or "double down on MY truth"?

[@annharris6294]

What is JBP?

[@damianives2722]

@@annharris6294 his initials

[@damianives2722]

@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 A life of fulfillment is led by someone willing to do what’s right which is allied with truth. Truth is what makes the abstract tangible in a sense and allows us to properly navigate towards a more productive future. In this modern world speaking up against lies has become a revolutionary act and seems to be in short supply among our leaders. All great people follow truth in one way or another and that’s how I’ve decided I will become great. Speak truth no matter the cost. Does that help at all?

[@damianives2722]

@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 The most recent example I can think of I guess would be Desantis forming this panel and going after big pharma and the whole covid narrative. It’s the right thing to do but is only possible by someone seeking truth. When you see people seek things that are ultimately true you simultaneously recognize their level of greatness. It’s what inspires awe in a sense. When truth is revealed it supersedes all else and is like pulling the abstract concept of the divine into a tangible reality for us all to witness. Complicated but yeah.

[@prettyme3150]

Thank you Jordan Peterson. Finding your podcast is like finding gold. You are a great man. May the Father bless and keep you. We love you ❤️

[@virusO1OOOOO1]

As I have loved you, Love one another. This new commandment: Love one another. By this shall men know Ye are my disciples, If ye have love One to another. Jordan like few is a true disciple and all men know it.

[@lukasstronghood2692]

Amen

[@virusO1OOOOO1]

@@dyrtyharry6789 you are right, I wonder if you are never wrong are you still human or God? The point is God doesnt expect us to be perfect, he expects us to be honest in every situation. If you are wrong you admit it, we all lack perfection I expect everyone to it least one mistake. Except the Lamb who lived with our every temptations, and still never sinned.

[@virusO1OOOOO1]

@@dyrtyharry6789 Shukran akhi, hopefully google translate doesnt disappoint me. 😂

[@virusO1OOOOO1]

@@Honkey666 take a guess? 😂

[@lukewarm3969]

Doctor you've really improved in not speaking over people and controlling your excitement! That's so cool to see such humble self improvement! You actually listen to your fans thank you!!

[@CRS-fe2zj]

To be as grand as Jordan and to still have the humility... it's amazing 👏

[@jimwates8047]

The way woman want to castrate this man, I thought humble he was? Lol

[@elizabethmarais8136]

I don't agree.

[@elizabethmarais8136]

I don't agree. I was shocked by his inappropriate and disrespectful words during the 1st few sentences, from 2:08 minutes, words like "damn", "bloody well". Where is your respect for people? I immediately lost respect for you and was put off. You still look down on some people and judge them from a materialistic way. Every body on earth will have to grow on the path of respecting people, nobody will be excluded, you too.

[@jimwates8047]

@@elizabethmarais8136 Just cause he said a couple bad words? Path of respecting people? Is that a threat? I don't know you, but from these post, it would seem you want a world of no color. A world can't exist they way your thinking. We're not robots. We're all imperfect people. That includes even you. We're being undivided. while something else is at play. If we're fighting amongst ourselves we're not paying attention to the actual agenda. Look at history. A nation divided won't and can't exist. When you actually "look" at the big, the "real" picture. This is actually petty stuff. Besides our Children being robbed of their human right's, everything else is elementary.

[@last1000]

I remember nearly 20 years ago, my 8th grade teacher would say things like by the time we were his age, the water bottle on top of his desk would probably have to be kept locked inside his desk because clean water would be so hard to come by. That was so depressing to me back then, and to think of all the stress I felt for so long as a result of climate rhetoric, which turned out to be a lie, makes even more depressed to think of what kids these days must be feeling as the climate alarmism has grown exponentially since I was their age. No wonder so many young people feel hopeless and suicidal, and all over a damn lie.

[@lizswanson1878]

As a school counselor it was frustrating to deal with already stressed teens palpably scared about the world ending in a climate catastrophe.

[@last1000]

@@lizswanson1878 That's awful. It must be sad enough to see frightened and anxious children when they have good reason to feel that way, but it's just infuriating to see them like that when it's part of a political ploy by manipulative and tyrannical adults, many of whom know it's a lie.

[@rodrigomadeiraafonso3789]

Thats climatic terrorism!

[@last1000]

@@rodrigomadeiraafonso3789 😭 good one!

[@MrKongatthegates]

not necessarily a lie, more of a bad prediction, it is sort of unknown. we know the world is warming, thats not a lie, just, how much will that affect everything is the question

[@Truthkindnesslovefunhealth67]

This is the real gold in the world right now. Wonderful people. Thankyou gentlemen. This is truth you are listening to and wisdom too. Loved hearing these two voices. Will be listening to this several times.

[@thePlum]

this stuff needs to be shouted from the roof tops to save our collective sanity

[@thisguyhere85]

Gives some faith

[@garysarela4431]

Follow the money. Fossil fuel subsidies were $5.9 trillion in 2020 or about 6.8 percent of global GDP. Source: Parry et al. (2021) "Still Not Getting Energy Prices Right: A Global and Country Update of Fossil Fuel Subsidies"

[@garysarela4431]

The fossil fuel industry is notorious for disinformation, lobbying, astroturfing & front groups. From 2000-2016, the fossil fuel industry spent nearly $2 billion lobbying to prevent climate action in the US. Source: Brulle (2018), "The climate lobby: a sectoral analysis.."

[@ironmind258]

@@garysarela4431 And what about the climate change industry?

[@Norwolf259]

This channel, and your ability to get to the issues, restores my faith in humanity. Thank you for sharing your wealth of reason. Cheers!

[@DNA350ppm]

Why did you ever lose it? Was it fact based? Peopletaking action against wrongs and problems have been there all the time...

[@Norwolf259]

@@DNA350ppm Fact based? Well I don't follow the issues without facts....lol. Anyway, thanks for your comment but this is obviously part of a much longer conversation. All the best.

[@joefardy673]

Bjørn's genius is that he oozes common sense and common sense is not so common anymore!

[@srenottohansen8193]

@P!nned By Andrew Huberman... Hi Andrew Huberman: I can assure you, Bjørn Lomborg is not a genius. He's a statitician.

[@amygodward4472]

This was FANTASTIC. Jordan's spiritual and psychological interpretation complemented PERFECTLY with Bjørn's data supported presentation of real, solvable problems. The vast majority of us just want one thing: to keep ourselves clear of poverty. Food to nourish us, clothes to warm us, a home to shelter us, and a job that pays us enough to support our families.

[@chrisschneider2590]

I always love listening to Bjorn. Common sense! Rational and calm. And that he loves both this planet that is our home as well as all of the people on it - priceless. Thank you for having him on. God bless you all

[@vincentlaw1415]

there is a movie masterpiece called "the legend of princess Mononoke" which beautifully and profoundly illustrates a balanced picture of the culture/nature relationship. I've never seen both sides portrayed so respectfully, nuanced and yet so mythologically epic.

[@nimapocalyse9569]

It's a very profound film

[@vincentlaw1415]

@@nimapocalyse9569 It's a much more mature and overall better written version of Avatar. Avatar is exactly the modern "humans are a capitalistic cancer on every planet they come across and they rape and kill the nature loving natives" version of that masterpiece.

[@Immortelle_G]

I've been meaning to watch it! This gives me another reason to check it out. Thanks

[@benjaminjeffery6873]

Beautiful film: there’s a moment where after the supposed initial protagonist set up of lady Eboshi, shows the beneficiaries of iron town; the leper’s; the woman worker, who otherwise before hand had a life of suffering yet with the introduction of the industrial industry by Eboshi has lifted them out of poverty and allowed them to find and implement skills subsequently providing meaning to their lives despite their suffering. The moral nuances in that film is incredible mature.

[@vincentlaw1415]

@@Immortelle_G You will not regret it. The music alone is worth the watch.

[@krihanek117]

Bjørn Lomborg is always a great listen. He thinks when others react emotionally.

[@shannonferguson4810]

Dr. Lomborg is a beacon of hope for those of us who believe we have the collective ability to address global climate issues in a practical and meaningful way. The key is to stop listening to the alarmists and to start instituting the changes that Bjorn recommends.

[@teeniemartinez8023]

Dr Peterson's conversations with Bjorn are always super informative and definitely some of my favorites. This suit/tie combo today is a very handsome choice as well.

[@leahmsbenibenibeni8736]

I appreciate what you're doing every day, thank you! One thing that also one could look into is how the millennials and later generations are being fed cartoons that set you up against society very early on. In Norway we had this cartoon in the 90s called "Blekkulf" about fish in the sea that fought against human pollution. It broke my heart and I remember walking around apoloising to all the animals out in the garden. I still carry this feeling and it has taken me years to realise that my thinking that way is not helping at all. You have helped a lot lately in this process and believe a lot of other people are now more able to see their value thanks to you.

[@heavyd777]

The true message is one of hope. It always has been. I was raised under a cloud of nuclear war, the cold war. For years I was always depressed and never achieved anything because I thought "what's the point?" Then I started listening to other voices. Voices other than my peer group, the media and the mainstream. These other voices were mostly libertarian and conservative talk shows on AM radio. Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Shawn Hannity. They all helped me "unlearn" the leftist insanity. I got sober, went to college, got my degree, changed careers..... essentially learning how to employ my critical thinking skills.....I also began seeking Jesus. All of this changed my outlook from doom and gloom to hope. Now I see it everywhere!!! Potential. Hope. It's beautiful!!!! Life is beautiful!!! The left is wrong!!!

[@jonastrex05]

Well said

[@aohsnap9102]

Great story of yours - testimony. Thank you for sharing. Clear and concise it is. @HeavyD

[@curtinarchitecture3711]

You could have found buddha, islam, any number of other gods.

[@westfieldartworks8188]

Wow....that was phenomenal. Thanks for having Mr. Lomborg on your podcast. Boy that was good!!!

[@garysarela4431]

Bjorn Lomborg is constantly misleading and most of his calculations are riddled with errors. He is not credible.

[@westfieldartworks8188]

@@garysarela4431 He's the most accurate out there. Climate models are riddled with errors.

[@outofcompliance1639]

Lomborg is milk toast on the climate subject. It is a scam but at least people listen to reason from him.

[@eee815]

Bjørn Lomborg is not a scientist, he is just a random guy. As a dane i know all about him. The reason he is so popular is that you cant find a single expert who is willing to talk to Jordan Peterson and say the same thing. Not even one!

[@westfieldartworks8188]

@@eee815 I guess my definition of " random " would be Greta Thunberg, who is nothing more than a random teenager, yet a portion of the scientific community, the environmental activist portion, is more than willing to bow are her feet, as they hang on her every inexperienced word. I'm glad Lomborg, along with and ever growing segment of the scientific community, is taking these people to task. I know they don't like it.....but it's needed. Time to move past environmental Armageddon.

[@mikemike9285]

Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Jordan, you are a breath of fresh air in the modern world of illusion/delusion. Thank you for what you do. The power of life and death resides in the tongue and you wield that power with grace and authority. I have wanted and prayed for an inner circle of great minds. I struggle with this for a while because God would not answer this prayer, or so I thought. My eyes were opened when it was revealed to me that God has been flooding me with videos from you, Ed Mylett, Jim Rohn, Les Brown, and many more. These videos have truly changed the trajectory of my life.

[@martinburrows6844]

Never a boring conversation. That's for sure.

[@wtfgrooves3268]

Have we ever in the history of the west had a character quite like Jordan? Highly focused on individual responsibility, scientificly minded, psychologicaly oriented, moraly guided by religious ideas, coherent and ties all his intimations into one uniformed view of the world that can include humans from all walks of life.

[@gamedrop3262]

He sits there and calls you stupid if you dont agree with him and refers to people as "blighters" or things of the sort. . .this guy is just a crotchety old guy so don't think he's jesus bro.

[@wtfgrooves3268]

@@gamedrop3262 I would very much like to see a video of him calling someone stupid for not agreeing with him.. I certainly never seen one.. pretty sure thats never happened

[@yessir8089]

As another intellectual that I admire used to say: things are bad, but better (Hans Rosling. RIP).

[@christy7270]

JP I prey God gives you the courage, strength and endurance to continue this good fight. Thank you for your love of truth. Please don’t stop. It’s refreshing to see you push for what’s right. How will our children know but what WE as parents teach them. God give us strength to teach our children biblical truths. Brothers and sisters, this is the persecution we’ve been warned out. We need to support each other, stand strong in CHRIST. Yes I typed it. We need to stand strong in JESUS CHRIST. Amen

[@gamedrop3262]

Notice you spelled that "prey" . . .think about that.

[@thomasbrown8939]

Success seems to be connected with action. Successful people keep moving. They make Mistake but they don’t quit, The stock market Has plenty of opportunities to earn a decent Payouts with the right skills and proper Understanding of how the market works.

[@hernandezmarsh2771]

Yeah man you're absolutely right..... Lots of people are still making massive profits from the stock and crypto market, all you really need is some relevant information and some professional advice. It is totally inappropriate for investors to stand by as they take dips during significant market diclinism

[@kelvincharlotte1090]

@@hernandezmarsh2771 A good investment requires experience and knowledge to carry out a successful operation. Professionally, it is recommended to trade with experienced brokers, who can help you increase your profits while helping you learn the trade

[@hernandezmarsh2771]

Well I invest with a top trader Mr Ashton Edwards you might have heard of him.. I can correctly say he's the best top trader in the world, an investment advisor as his diversification skills are great, I say this because i see that in his results as my portfolio grows by averages of 15% to 25% on a weekly basis, unlike i can say for my IRA which has just been trudging along. my portfolio just mirrors what he place and not just on some particular industries of my choosing. He gave me that financial freedom I needed

[@denniswilliam4653]

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[@BrehDanny]

Man I would love nothing more than to meet this man and just have a conversation about anything

[@nourishflourishflow]

Thank you. I love these conversations. Perhaps if we have a world full of guilt-ridden people, we can be more easily controlled. Guilt and fear can mobilize a great deal of force and we're seeing that on the end of tyranny. Perhaps the overwhelming guilt is a direct result from our collective divorce from God. And perhaps we require an updated relationship with God. But to have no relationship seems almost collectively suicidal to me.

[@margaretcantlon9960]

Beautifully said. Thank you

[@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269]

I very much agree!

[@Dwh1960]

Well said. ❤

[@tinamurphy3572]

Yes all that fear mongering has its terrible results then the powerful discovered it's value for them. Now they use it making people think things are worse even though getting better and yes they are controlled but also depressed, suicidal, mental illness has never been so out of control! The truth needs taught for the young's mental state sake!

[@santiagoezquerrocordon1470]

God has nothing to do with this. They are talking about facts not believes.

[@lualazarovic5556]

I love the optimistic perspective, but with all due respect, the reason why Northern European countries can afford to reforest is because they now exploit cheap wood from my country (Romania) and other similarly corrupt and poorer countries. In most statistics Romania and Eastern European countries in general aren't usually included, because we don't gather data the same way (as efficiently , detailed etc) as the West. So I am always skeptical of both sides of the argument when it comes to ecology, and would really like to see the data these statements are based on. I have to admit that I am not familiar with this guest's work and it is something I still need to look into.

[@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269]

What kind of wood are ppl cutting in Romania?

[@MAR72132]

I appreciate your critical thinking here and healthy scepticism

[@garywagner2466]

Europe has been importing wood from all over the world for centuries. It started with having to build navies and merchant fleets, and moved onto houses, tools, furniture (teak, mahogany, pine etc.). Romania is not the only example. But, after benefitting from deforesting other countries for centuries, European activists are now lecturing those same countries about reforestation or (an idiotic term) “rewilding.” Apparently, any copse of trees (no matter how small) is recreating the forests that once covered Europe. The little furry critters so beloved of urban folks will somehow repopulate those new “forests” and life will be a Disney movie. Not very realistic.

[@irbazzia2590]

'138,000 people have been able to beat poverty' is the headline news we never saw in our life..

[@kimjohnson8471]

JBP that tie is epic! ❤️ I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and all the best God has for you to come in 2023!

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

I grew up in a "developing" country, got MSc in Canada, PhD in the USA. I was blessed with a great education where I was taught to think, critically & objectively/ WTH happened to these educational institutions today?!

[@ducthman4737]

They are now creators of Climate Jugend and Green Shirts. You know those who glue themselves to paintings.

[@websurfer5772]

If you read the global elite's agendas online you can see for yourself that they've been purposely dumbing down education of the masses for decades, and now they're really ramping it up.

[@zkrtrt]

Because nowadays objective reality doesn't really exist, didn't you know? Just one's feelings towards what they believe is true. There are no facts, because every fact is, in fact, a product of patriarchal oppression in the past few centuries or so and, therefore, reality is the modus operandi of a tyrannical system. The old facts are tyrannical! Bring them down, destroy them all! And yet, all of those that propose this kind of nonsense never act on their new definition of what is real - I never saw a single one of them trying to float outside of a 20th floor window because, y'know, gravity is an expression of white-male patriarchal oppression since 1687. And therefore it's just a tool for oppression, but it's not really real. The tragedy of it all is that there are actual people that do believe in all of this nonsense and they are now the gatekeepers for handling out PhD's.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

Socialism is what happened.

[@websurfer5772]

Well, I do want to add that they've already erased a lot of what they did have online that showed their intentions towards us, just like they blew up the GGs.

[@rachellera-shellkoon5977]

I have a 23 year old daughter and I am so glad I raised her to have an open mind and not to believe everything she is told. Because of this my daughter will listen to logic argument and take a more multidimensional approach to living. I wish more parents would teach their children to view the problems of the world this way. We cannot rely on schools to teach them logical arguments and logical conclusions.

[@winsomewife7112]

Bcz the government runs the schools and doesn't want most people knowing how to think mostly logically & morally.

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

"Bcz" 😂

[@dosesandmimoses]

Thank you- to everyone that has brought these conversations to the forefront. Action is life… gratitude once again.

[@marcinszewczyk2083]

I hope I'll live to see the day, when the knowledge you have presented here, gentlemen, will be as obvious. Keep up the good work!

[@marwinjose8211]

Very interesting breakdown of ideas and clusters of information to further think about. I have a lot more questions about the human intentions and selections of decisions regarding any situation based on the environment they are in. How much does it impact the decision. Jordan B Peterson. Love your works Sir. Hope to see you someday.

[@brianknapp6215]

Exactly. Because- despite what Mechanical Engineer (and former Sketch Comedian) Bill Nye "The Science Guy™" says- the world isn't going to burst into flames.

[@paulcater6290]

Good evening Jordan, you have changed my life not on in the physical meaning but how I mentally view everything that I do, I wish you nothing but piece and happiness... I hope you and yours have a very merry Christmas 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@kornelg.6491]

Thanks for the conversation. That was my first video made by you. Greetings from Poland.

[@amarissimus29]

Just two weeks to flatten the temperature. We're all in this together.

[@websurfer5772]

I'm freezing my butt off here in Commiefornia this winter. Can't wait 'til they turn off our access to heat. I wonder if this is manmade? Those trails in the sky just may be better at blocking out the sun than I thought.

[@wheel-man5319]

Five years in, gnawing on your ex neighbor's thigh bone....

[@debrahumphreys9305]

Thank you for giving us this band-aid to make things brighter and could well get better, rather than doom and gloom fed to us by those who should know otherwise

[@sdrc92126]

Maynard Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be "the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists."

[@cynthiaadkins-zj9ut]

@sdrc92126, yes and Bill Gates comes from a long line of eugenicists. 💉

[@jaroslavb.korinek7285]

Bernt & Bjorn, The Bear brothers duo! I loved this meetup, so many thoughts that made sense are so soothing just befor Christmas.

[@causechange]

As a technical note. When Peterson leans forward about 6 inches or more his audio is all but completely lost. Noticed this in quite a few previous videos as well. Hope this can be solved for future discussions.

[@margaretcantlon9960]

Turn on your Captions button. It helps

[@causechange]

@@margaretcantlon9960 I often just listen to the audio while I'm doing something else, so captions do not help. Not a hard issue to solve, getting the audio right.

[@Horton.1114]

I love to have his brain for one day.. There is so much I need to know. JP thank you..I I'm so happy that you're on our side on social issues and so much more.

[@Its_RichieRich]

Just google whatever you want to know.

[@LilaSilk]

Thank you gentlemen for this inspirational conversation. How can we spread this optimism into our schooling system?

[@crabmannyjoe2]

A start is just talking about it and encouraging people to watch.

[@winsomewife7112]

You can't, not when the government runs the schools that are staffed by Leftists at a rate of 9 to 1.

[@54m0h7]

I grew up with this doom and gloom feeling for the environment and humanity. It was around the time of the trucker convoy in Ottawa that I started looking more into issues for myself. I am so glad to hear all there is more than just hope for the world.

[@1995yuda]

God bless you Dr. Peterson! From Jerusalem

[@ratnalubis1591]

Waaaahh...Bapak JP jas dan dasi nya KEREN SEKALI. Wooow...you look ganteng Bapak. Terimakasih sudah berbagi ilmu kepada kami di INDONESIA. May God bless you. My warm regards to Bapak BL. Salam hormat untuk kalian ber-2 ❤❤

[@pauljalbert]

A small technical comment, if I may, because I, and I'm sure others, never want to miss a word. Dr. Peterson sometimes leans forward, (for example at 50:11) at which point the sound changes. I've observed this on some of his other podcasts as well. That presumably means the microphone is above his head and ends up behind it when he leans forward. Would a second overhead (forward) microphone or a lavalier clip be useful here?

[@kioiiou]

One of the smartest conversation that I've ever seen, it was so informative and phenomenal.

[@Vexium]

Jordan, I really like the conclusion added at the end with a starting summary of the conversation. Please do this with every conversation, because it helps greatly in retaining the information offered in sum.

[@different9462]

Interesting video, it would be very nice if theres translated subtitles in other languages so we can share theese ideas among our elders in our families.

[@cjfredi]

Awesome. Thank you both. Great teachers like you capture attention and always inspire. *Side note: JP's mics could be better. They shouldn't cut out regardless of where his voice is directed?

[@mocotonio]

he is using a shotgun mic, which is awesome for focus and noise rejection, but has a really small distance range, it's a better aesthetic because it can remain out of the camera's sight, tho.

[@cjfredi]

@@mocotonio In my years of experience in audio sound I believe lapel mics work best. Check out any JP lectures in a theater. Shotguns work better for groups and/or instruments IMHO.

[@RetroAiUnleashed]

Thank You Dr. Peterson. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well Sir! Blessed be the Redeemer. Shalom 🕊

[@rayshepherd2479]

I live in the Gold Country of California. By the 1880s all the trees were cut down from Sacramento to about half way towards Lake Tahoe to provide fuel for steam power in the mines. Because they were running out of trees they converted to water power and eventually electricity provided by hydro and fossil fuels. The same thing occured around Lake Tahoe. With the use of fossil fuels the Forrest's have recovered.

[@millenialmemoirs]

I thought the world was ending in April of 2020. I decided it was time to initiate a relationship with God so I quit my job and spent a month in the mountains mostly by myself, reading the Bible and backpacking. Since I started following The Father he’s showed me how beautiful and optimistic my future is. I got married, had a baby and another due in April, changed careers and found something I’m really good at that pays me more than I’ve made in 10 years, discovered Bitcoin and cardano (which are going to change the world together and nobody realizes it yet)overall the whole world gets better everyday but so few of us have the ability to appreciate it, or capitalize on it. Walk with God. Abundance is everywhere. Hell show you.

[@tenfornone]

"You're the salt of the earth"! Tap into the power!

[@leedufour]

Thanks Bjorn and Jordan!

[@heitorleostutz]

I would love to meet you Jordan Peterson , Since there is no such chance I would like to encourage you to continue and be that voice of the one crying in the desert, may God keep you firm and strong, you help so many lost and confused people I hope the your heart is happy despite the attacks, you make a difference. Your story will be told and your name is already written in history!

[@ProdigalSunTzu]

I work with ages 0 to 25 as a psychotherapist. More and more the adolescents and young adults come in with a total lack of meaning, a pessimistic even anti natalist philosophy, a view that everything they do is meaningless in the face of our supposed impending doom. At 14 they are making decisions to never have kids, to never marry or have a long term relationship. I assess for negative emotions of course but I also assess for positive. Even after we reduce some of the negative they must learn or relearn to expericne positive...to seek them. They often can't remember the last time they felt awe, inspiration, gratitude, intimacy even just feeling interested in something. there are times on my drive home where I can not hold back a few tears for them. More and more I believe this youth mental health crisis we keep hearing about is being taught to them. Haidt and his Co author in coddling of the American mind made a wonderful point how much of what is taught to youth about how to think is the exact opposite of what cognitive behavioral therapy does to reduce mental suffering. What's worse is I must be very very careful what I say or ask a client to reflect upon lest I get tattled on and draw the ire of our professional organizations which are now totalitarian institutions promoting a single narrative.

[@ScottlandShaffner0423]

Brilliant, cogent, sane dialogue. Thanks!

[@jansonvocmf]

Dr Peterson, great guest! Please let him talk more...

[@randallshuck2976]

The world has been going to end every 10-20 years since I was 10 in the early sixties. I was worried about it in 1969 but I haven't since.

[@boomguitarjared]

32:30 I think the reason it's easy for young people to get behind this is because it is made to shine as a simple path to being "virtuous". They are given an extremely simple and shallow understanding of the climate change issue, pointed only in one direction, given an enemy (anyone who doesn't agree that we need to reduce all Co2 right this instance), and then they are a morally good person. If they were given the full picture right from the start without the hypocricies (china overpoluting everyone by a large margin), that nuclear is an important thing to develop to manage this, and that humans are better at adapating to change rather than forcing everyone into lower living standards, then I don't think nearly as many would become esnared by the nihilistic environmental religion. Ah, Peterson added a decent bit to round out this point asvwell at 36:55

[@markanderson3376]

Excellent video. Please keep them coming.

[@xHideousFoxx]

I always said that slavery and other horrendous problems have ended (more or less) due to cheaper more efficient solutions, not because people are simply nicer than we once were.

[@chrisputkamer3249]

I know this has nothing to do with the video but I just wanted posted this comment in hopes Jordan sees it. Thank you so much jordan peterson you have been a major part in my mission to stop hating my self and to stop thinking about ending it because of you I have started on a path to motivate myself to do better to be better not only for myself but for those around me I still have a long way to go but I just wanted to let you know you stopped me from going down a darker path Thank you and God bless you for helping those who don't see a way out

[@amyb.6368]

God bless, and Merry Christmas!

[@rnt45t1]

This is far and away a more important issue than any other you have raised, Dr. Peterson.

[@fuuman369]

yes, the world is not ending. just this topic is so warming. usually most of the thought just takes me or i take my thought towards wrong rather than the good. good or wrond that i think is. but in a general sense. i like in the asia, but i now feel so good life is not so different everywhere. only peterson can let people know such things. i feel so light and somewhat good in many senses thinking of life and that opportunities are lurking everywhere to do good. to become better. to aim for the stars without forgetting we are in earth. 💚💚always huge respect

[@robertamorrison3462]

I loved this conversation, I have always believed that there is no problem that cannot be solved. Science and human creativity are constantly creating new opportunities and new ways of doing things. I only wish I could access the last part of this conversation; however, my budget is not able to surmount your paywall.

[@jimluebke3869]

"Message to Young People" - clocks in at 1:52:57. Yes, there will be some that stay with you the whole time, but there's also some value in providing a TL: DR. “You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this ... that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen.” - Douglas Adams, _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_

[@dannyfishing4576]

Thank you for putting this out there

[@mikedawson1376]

Hello master weaver. You, sir, are the epitome of what we used to call 'common sense'.

[@joyhaave6151]

It’s incredible that so many people can access these two sharp minds. I remember growing up in the 80’s and worrying about the hole in the ozone layer, acid rain, and disposable diapers. The fear-mongering has only increased, but as these experts explain - we don’t need to make young people fretful about the environment. Human beings are amazing problem solvers!

[@gurjeetbara7192]

Watched the entire video. Thank you both. This greatly decreased my anxiety about the planet. What a relief!!!! I believe in humanity and we will come up with amazing solutions

[@augustwest5771]

Thank both of you for this refreshing conversation, I needed to hear this !

[@eee815]

Bjørn Lomborg is not a scientist, he is just a random guy. As a dane i know all about him. The reason he is so popular is that you cant find a single expert who is willing to talk to Jordan Peterson and say the same thing. Not even one!

[@johnfairbairn1927]

What’s more our leaders need to listen ( and hear ) this. Some chance!

[@sdrc92126]

Climate change would be good, not a problem. "Taken all together, the greening of the planet over the last two decades represents an increase in leaf area on plants and trees equivalent to the area covered by all the Amazon rainforests. There are now more than two million square miles of extra green leaf area per year, compared to the early 2000s - a 5% increase."

[@JordanBPeterson]

It's actually a 15% increase now.

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

Thank you Jordan Peterson for amplifying voices of rationality. The talk of improving education globally at round the 1:29 mark in this video is vitally important! 🙏🏼

[@Floxflow]

The points Bjørn formulate are excellent 31:40 43:25

[@BarjoLaGouache]

44:38 showing your value in a tik tok video is a fraction of the hardwork, its the promotion part of it, a way to extend the value into other people mind, precisely the way you do in this video… the hard work goes unnoticed, behind the scene. Wether its an engineer, a school teacher , a construction worker, the values you believe in will structure your work and affect the result

[@beachboardfan9544]

Gov and corporations suppress tech advancements today. They dont want the competition, or they want to own the competition. Google, amazon, and entertainingly enough harley davidson are all great examples of corps 'buying and burying' new and or competing startups. Its difficult enough to start and grow a company without the existing titans of industry trying to ruin you. Its almost completely disincentivized the efforts and interest needed to pursue an idea.

[@bluejay2309]

Another fascinating conversation. Thank you Dr. Peterson, for educating the world, as much as you can.

[@carinebiha6234]

Thank you, Jordan Peterson, for your knowledge and wisdom. You're really making a difference, your patience to teach us is remarkable. I'm so grateful for all. We love you, Thank you

[@mommadeb49]

There is a beautiful balance to life and it is our job to Trust God, do the Right thing and not react to events in panic.

[@annlavery3433]

Thank Jordan and merry Christmas to you and your family and a healthy happy New Year..🎉🎉

[@SagerWine]

What a superb combination of minds talking about solutions that are extremely valid yet wholly ignored. This is the content we need

[@mack63u7]

This was a great way to spend 2 hours, as I imagined it would be given the speakers. Our political leaders should be made to watch conversations like this.

[@michaelholmes3662]

The end our beginning is only the beginning of our ending. It all starts over with Christ. We are all born to live and bound to die. It's up to the intellects to help those at a different place of the bell curve. Filling the gap must be done by the gifted and humble. Ambiguous strategies are extraneous. Masterful perception is incontrovertible. There must be a rule for the lawless , this is the median to all men.

[@jerryspace9701]

How you know it all starts with christ? Yoi don2know shi*

[@michaelholmes3662]

@@jerryspace9701 I see obviously your part of the lower bell curve. Yes I do however , know God is real and very committed to giving people like you a chance to believe in him. GOD has proved himself to me , obviously you haven't gotten to that point yet. But I assure you either way you will be a believer, either in heaven or hell . But at some point you will believe.

[@jerryspace9701]

@@michaelholmes3662 you are delusional if u think that 🤣 and you don't know god is real.. You think it is.. So use better words

[@jerryspace9701]

@@dyrtyharry6789 English is not my first language.. You smartass 😏 yoi think we speak all English? Thats my 4rh languge.. Sorry for the grammar errors 😢 and yes that's thw comment i came up with... So what you gonna replay?

[@jerryspace9701]

@@dyrtyharry6789 thank you 😂

[@prico3358]

I don't appreciete youtube's misinformations disclosure thingy under the vídeo. It's like.. they know what's right and wrong bases on consensus, and everything else must have a disclaimer.

[@shefo3916]

It is our fear and negativity that could be our undoing. Not any of the other “problems” we face, which properly looked at are opportunities for learning and growth. Thoughts and emotions are powerfully creative energies, and clearly most people don’t know this or they wouldn’t focus on and spread the negative stuff they do. Think about and talk about what you DO want and not what you don’t want. For examole: 25:30 Thank you Bjorn for your beacon of light….and your stick-with-it courage. And thank you Jordan for all you do as well.

[@zacharyshinder940]

First my criticism: Dr. Peterson, I strongly recommend that you wear a microphone on your lapel, because using a fixed-position microphone (likely a boom mic) overhead and your tendency to move about (even while sitting) takes you in and out of its range of recording your voice with clarity and at a consistent level. Now, my praise: THIS interview and the facts presented therein is exactly what people everywhere need to hear and be inspired by. I'm more encouraged about the future, provided that Bjorn's ideas/suggestions are accepted/internalized/acted upon. Keep doing what you're doing, for you ARE making the world a better place. Many thanks.

[@Cinderella227]

Phenomenal conversation! I absolutely love it and find it to be poetic. I’ve been busy with projects and the holidays. Playing catch-up w/Jordan’s KZbins. Btw Jordan you are looking extremely handsome in your sharp suits. Thank you ✝️❤️👍🏻

[@Cinderella227]

@@davepeters3317 I respectfully disagree with you. 8 million is probably underestimated because several tribes living in the jungles aren’t documented or counted. The problem is not with over population or land shortages. There is plenty of land for everyone to own acres. The problem is and always has been greed and mismanagement. Every time there is a major catastrophe around the world, governments and citizens donante what amounts to billions upon billions of dollars for food, shelter/rebuilding infrastructure etc. Thing is, corrupt politicians/leadership fill their own pockets and bank accounts. Hence, poverty issues will always be with us because greed will always be with us. Furthermore, nothing that is of value has to do with fake religion. Having faith, love, admiration, servitude, trust and a loving relationship with our one and only creator Almighty Father God and Savior Jesus Christ is believing and loving beyond ourselves. You are actually misunderstanding intelligence or sophistication because it’s actually understanding everything in the most simplest of terms that evolves to the highest forms of sophistication and of intellectual thoughts. If someone is sophisticated or intelligent they don’t have to announce or advertise it. It’s like love or beauty, it just is. The Bible, the true WORD is very simple. Jesus Christ spoke simple yet profoundly. He dressed humbly but was and is the King of Kings. He loves us unconditionally and just as we are and yet many reject such pure and beautiful love. Most blindly seek and drink from wells without water when Jesus Christ is offering the water of life so you can never be thirsty. Narrow, humility and simple is the righteous way. The Bible is very simple and to the point. It is written in simple but beautiful, prophetic and poetic words. The Bible is the most valuable and important book ever written. Anyway, I wish you happiness, love, and peace be with you. Jesus Christ loves you. He died on the cross for everyone rich or poor. Humanity is wasting precious time hating and fighting. Seek God ✝️🙏🏻🕊

[@ShahzadHassanBangash]

Watching you from Pakistan, i hope i can help my village people with those educational tablets but i don't know how to work on its supply chain and how to get them available in Pakistan. I really want to alleviate poverty in my region and educate those people

[@victorygarden556]

What region are you from? I might be able to help you quite a bit. If you have an email I can correspond to you with I’d love to hear it.

[@beautifulintentions5678]

Thank you Jordan Peterson for the uplifting conversation. I realize I’m only 25 minutes into it. I look forward to finishing it later this evening.

[@ladyfaye8248]

Full respect to the Doctor, and Bjorn. Here's my take on this, for what it's worth. I feel that a problem is just how very much more wealthy that humanity has to be before it effectively cares about the planet. Even, It seems, a majority of the 'wealthy enough' still don't care about the environment and animals. So I don't see that idea as being sound...making everyone on the planet wealthy enough so that they become custodians of our planet, rather than destroyers. As the 'Doc' says, it comes down to individuals choosing good over evil, aiming to be what they can be, for the Good. I believe that this 'individual strategy' would inherently bring humanity's numbers down, thus ceasing to cause too great a stress on the planet which supports us.

[@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269]

Have you taken a walk in nature lately?

[@bearcat729]

In the discussion of the "zone of proximal development," the answer is very easy. Children are learning these things in a classroom. This is to be taught in the kitchen by their mother or in the garage by their father. Mother says we need six pieces of pie out of one pie. Dad says we need six equal lengths of this board. Need to stop trying to teach practical life skills to children without them "doing it"! A classroom is no place for this type of learning.