The World of Racing in Non-Racing Games

[@nebuchell]

Waiting the sequel "Non-racing activities in racing games" for this

[@burakroket]

Great video topic for talking about Test Drive 2

[@Muhluri]

You could probably include the arcade minigames in ridge racer

[@86Fallowcp]

Need for Speed The Run. The story had tons of cutscenes with QTEs

[@Milty2001]

Kiryu's sad expression when he sees his pocket race car fly off the track never gets old.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Top tier animation. I felt everything with Kiryu.

[@regularbloke2117]

Minigame? Nah, real fans know Pocket Circuit is the main story of Yakuza

[@KingRamzeh]

real

[@Axle0Bullitt019]

They wouldn’t have featured Pocket Circuit Fighter in Dame Dane if it was just side content.

[@X1AN1023]

Same for the taxi one too, and also cabaret

[@SoulKingBK]

They have pocket circuit… I never got past that tough boss…. Cabaret club. The hours lost on the dress selection alone.

[@X1AN1023]

@@SoulKingBK just read a guide if you cant beat em

[@Mx64MaxyImpress]

Racing in GTA definitely feels like Midnight Club with heavier stories and even more intense race with many vehicles

[@UndercoverBoy833YT]

yup

[@aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21]

that mean nobody really need Midnight Club

[@NaufalHS]

Yeah I guess, sort of

[@VanBan_07]

​@@aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21Nah, we definitely need a new Midnight Club

[@CyanRooper]

Imagine Niko from GTA IV and Savo from Midnight Club 2 talking trash to each other while racing. Or CJ from GTA San Andreas and Savo from Midnight Club 2 talking trash while racing each other.

[@Skiman__]

12:30 fun fact, these stock car races were once “retuning player exclusive”, meaning only people who played GTA v on the ps3/x360 got to play them. I remember giving my ps account to some random dude to unlock these bonus content for me lol. You got the duke o death, the space docker and some more free stuff and in GTA online too. Was worth the risk of losing my account to younger me :p The reason why everyone has these bonuses now is because rockstar messed up and lost the list of people who were eligible as a “returning player” so they just activated it for everyone lmao. This is the update you’re talking about :p

[@DeaZzZeR]

Mission failed and so they added GTA+ D:

[@jahimuddin2306]

I was wondering why I had them. I never got to transfer my PS3 character over.

[@Chillwave6]

the fact rockstar lost the list to an exclusive thing and made them available to everyone.. wow, yeah thats good of them. at least it wasnt their spaghetti code fucking up though, that'd be a certified r* classic.

[@Neopumper666]

Wait, what was exactly exclusive? I pretty much 100% everything on ps3 so I dropped the game for a while, bought it for ps4, transfered the account and then got kind of bored replaying stuff, also it got so wacky so fast it lost its essence

[@ThaJay]

@@Neopumper666 I was on the x360 with GTAV for a few years before the PC version came out. In the last year there were a load of hackers and sometimes we would randomly get a huge money drop. So although I hated Rockstar for having me buy the same game twice, they did improve the graphics loads and in all my time on PC money was never really an object, even after Rockstar made everything in the game extremely overpriced compared to the rewards. Luckily so because if I was forced into the grind I would have given up the game years before I did.

[@CyanRooper]

Open world games almost always feature arcade-y handling models because usually those games allow players to use weapons while driving so the handling models usually don't have a lot of depth to them to prevent frustration (imagine trying to shoot a gun and reload while also having to manually shift gears and manage weight transfer and understeer/oversteer while the car itself gets damaged by AI opponents). The only games that are the exception (that I experienced) are the first 2 Mafia games. Fun fact: the first Mafia game was originally supposed to be a driving game similar to the Driver games which is why the game has such a realistic handling model (you can play the PC version with a force feedback wheel and pedal setup) and damage model (it features real time vehicle deformation while other games during the same time period used pre-made damage models). The 2nd Mafia game features 2 driving modes: a Normal driving mode which is the default setting as it's the easiest and the best suited for firing guns while driving, and a Simulation mode which is the more in-depth handling model for when players want a more realistic and challenging driving experience. I wish more games adopted Mafia 2's approach to driving with a simpler handling model as a default setting and a more detailed simcade-like handling model for players looking for a challenge.

[@ericgevorkyan2814]

You can't shoot while in a car in mafia 2 but you can in mafia 1 and that game actually features manual transmission in settings with it upsides and downsides, you can put a car on some slopes while in neutral or in gear and it will roll but if you press the handbrake before leaving the car, it won't. Physics in that game was ahead of it's time and that was 2001 game, same year as GTA3. Mafia 1 wasn't handicapping itself releasing mainly on consoles, this was fully a PC game and it took every available strenght from the platform, this only confirms when you look at the ps2 port of mafia 1 and how sad it is.

[@justajad2809]

Let's not forget Grand Theft Auto IV, the game literally has impressive realistic car physics and drive-by shooting is much more easy than V in personal experience.

[@titanusgodzillaa4274]

@@justajad2809 easier in gta 4? yeah idk abiut that

[@justajad2809]

@@titanusgodzillaa4274 Well in Grand Theft Auto V, it's harder to my experience with fast cars, with slower vehicles, water vehicles and parachuting; it's more enjoyable ? Best I do is with Franklin and use his Drive ability.

[@ThaJay]

It's actually possible to have physics with real momentum and still have an easy to use handling model for game pad and keyboard. Take any Forza game or CarX Drift Racing Online for example. The reason these open world games have super arcadey physics is because developers and publishers think it sells better and is easier to implement. Both of those things seem highly arguable to me and I would play the shite out of a GTA game with actual momentum and half decent tire and suspension physics. Having a handling model somewhere in between CarX and Forza in GTA would be a long standing dream come true.

[@confusedkemono]

I remember those racing missions in cyberpunk, mind you this was when the game was new.. the rubberbanding was so strong you could see them flying behind you like you're pulling them with invisible chains attached to your own car

[@VS-sf1rt]

Yeah cyberpunk had very little focus on racing. At least now with chases and proper racing its more fun.

[@CV511]

GTASA also had a driving school. It was a set of gymkhana challenges. I liked it.

[@JohnDoe-ne4kg]

What is gymhkhana

[@Haltzo]

"Not all being rainbows and sunshine" 😂 bro switched the saying up to his liking

[@skyboy19ID]

True Crime New York(the same series as sleeping dog) is somewhat underrated open world game and they have race as side story to catch street racer organizer. Pretty fun race TBH

[@CMDRSweeper]

Almost what I thought the video was about... But me and a friend turned a Jeep driving level in the game "Vietcong" from 2003, into a hot seat time trial race. Basically you are driving a Willy's Jeep up a Vietnamese mountain road, dodging obstacles and have the urgency of the story to contend with that is supposed to make you drive faster if my memory serves me correctly. If you fall off the road though, it is game over, so it did lead some interesting driving styles between us two to get to the finish as quickly as possible in that Jeep.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

I absolutely loved the Drone Racing in the Judgment series, especially the more technical courses. It's surprising how much the controls just become second nature and you can really flow with them.

[@POLO9999]

The most funniest part is how clueless DoVe is with the Simpsons calling Krusty... "Cola Clown" :kappa:

[@eavyeavy2864]

Hmm. What if

[@nuda1234]

Actually the original Mafia has a racing mode, but it's exclusive only to console ports (xbox & ps2. If you beat it you'll unlock a unique monster truck, that's not available in pc version

[@GTAHeavyImpact]

9:15 Pure gold 😀

[@UndercoverBoy833YT]

this got me so hard, in some youtubers' gta walkthroughs 😂😂

[@FrozenDrone12]

Sleeping Dogs Racing mission is still the best of racing game mode implementation in non racing games tbh, it was well designed that made it look like it can be a separate racing games, from the HUD design, atmosphere, track and checkpoint placement, even they got a well designed Countdown system that truly make us forgot that we actually play the action games not racing game

[@elmear7207]

Nah Fr I agree with you idk how much I miss that game

[@commie_remover]

@@elmear7207 Why can't you type like a normal person?

[@commie_remover]

It was a fantastic game, though the physics could have been much better.

[@elmear7207]

@@commie_remover why can’t you stop meat riding without a license and trying to ruin other people’s day you didn’t have to say anything to me

[@mattBLACKpunk]

​@@commie_removerwdym?

[@GRIMEYtheFATMAN]

It HURTS how many people go on about GTAV being the best racing game, while simultaneously being seemingly oblivious to the fact that the reason why it's so good is because all driving and racing in the game isn't developed by Rockstar North, but rather Rockstar San Diego, the Midnight Club guys, and is also the reason why we haven't had a new Midnight Club game since LA...

[@donaldsalkovick396]

What's your point? It's all rockstar

[@GRIMEYtheFATMAN]

@@donaldsalkovick396 only through rebranding - Rockstar North was formerly DMA Design, while Rockstar San Diego was formerly Angel Studios, who not only made Midnight Club, but also Midtown Madness 1+2. They used to be able to work on other projects, but have been forced to only work on GTAV since idiots keep throwing money at it. They were only supposed to lend support to Rockstar North for vehicle physics, but were permanently retasked to the money factory at the expense of their one of the most well regarded racing IPs, kinda like what fans feared would happen to Criterion when they were reassigned to Battlefield, except since they had just released NFS Unbound, they left a small support team behind to continue on Need for Speed...

[@MattMajcan]

what are people basing that on? what racing even is there in gta5? i tried racing online and nobody else does races. i never managed to actually race anyone. i found that car club thing online and never saw anyone else there. no one used it, no one raced. no one used the test track. the single player doesnt have any racing. maybe it has a few races with no context or story or anything. the car customization is extremely limited. all you can do is make every car have max acceleration and speed and thats it. ever car is the exact same. i need to buy some stupid dlc if i wanted to make the cars faster. LOL. if people think gta5 had good racing then im not expecting much from gta6 unfortunately..

[@Renokas1]

Sir! I think we missed Minecraft🥸

[@DoVe_7]

At first i thought this was a joke but actually was suprised to see that it existed lmao

[@hikkusubei]

Racing outside of racing games. You're a true racist and I'm proud of you!

[@C1-Runner]

😂

[@Mankiman240]

Hello Dove! I just got your membership to support the content i love❤

[@random_guy-p1h]

3:44 there is also another checkpoint based mission, which will be given by a Jamaican(i forgot his name), who is the leader of the Yardies. It will be given in Staunton island

[@StarfywalkingTYPH]

Little Jacob?

[@mondodimotori]

You should take a look at Mafia 2 and, most importantly, Mafia 3. In 3, with simulation driving settings, and a nice muscle car, it really makes you feel like being in Bullit.

[@DerKlingler]

Big love for you putting the OG Mafia racing scene in❤

[@edibleandsentientautomobil5396]

I'm still hoping you'd talk about the Crash Time series (the game based on the Alarm für Cobra 11 TV series in Germany)

[@ThiagoJaqueta]

Here`s an unexpected game that has racing. Mortal Kombat Armageddon has a gamemode called "Motor Kombat", a Mario Kart clone with MK Characters, it's surprisingly fun.

[@NaufalHS]

And recently idk how would Epic Games ended up asking Psyonix to make Rocket Racing in Fortnite by having been used Rocket League as basis somehow...

[@Cyclon32289]

Driver Parallel Lines..uff so many memories unlocked. Thanks for mention it.

[@aeroga2383]

Oh good video. I like racing games in theory but I always get bored of them cause they have no real story. It's a shame most of these mini-games don't seem like they last long

[@TordaiJenoArthurJenci]

can never get enough of your obsession with racing XD keep it up

[@riptaiyo]

If ur old (lol im 22) youll remember the rachet and clank game on pspgo, i had nfs and midnightclub but loved the hoverboard race they had, i think was hoverboard

[@DoVe_7]

Yea I am very old (I am 23 lmao)

[@NaufalHS]

14:02 Another update, tehy also actually removed a vast majority of the game's vehicles afaik and bringing up to almost 200 bcuz of the crappy SAM update in GTA Onlline and it actually sucks to see R* removed it without any word

[@NaufalHS]

*They and sorry for the typo

[@DuddleBug5]

27:29 good to know that you know who da Scott the woz is

[@NURDVEVO]

Omitting just cause 4 is really a bummer. Those driving mechanics were easily my favourite of any open world game

[@aneural]

Cyberpunk 2077 is really underrated in this, with the mod for manual transmission and realistic speeds it becomes easily the ultimate car game, add in a fov for first person driving and its perfect.

[@TheGuardianofblind]

Mafia DE actually allows you to go to racing circuit and set up race with ANY vehicle in free roam mode. which is one of my favorite things to do after finishing story. If you have entire trilogy, you can get the late 1960s car for example and have a race between them. As for original Mafia, it had racing mode in it with many tracks and even a championship, but only on PS2 version. However, mods have been made to add that to PC version too,, and they are not hard to add. And again, you can use any car. A race between 22 horsepower model T Fords is hilarious 😄 With how realistic and unforgiving driving physics are, is is also one of the most fun things to do after finishing it.

[@C1-Runner]

Aside from Cyberpunk I genuinely didn't know there was this much games that had a bit of racing in them lol. This was a pleasant video to watch through as someone who wasn't really exposed to games like this, it's really cool learning more about these older games. Great video as always Dove!

[@eavyeavy2864]

jesus millenial

[@VSN-wb2ly]

bruh if cyberpunk is only your open world games then you missed a lot, i repeat *A LOT*

[@taimanslaughter4471]

I lowkey consider every GTA a racing game like 95% of every mission is driving and swerving through traffic to get to A->B

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

25:23 That loss animation is freaking brilliant. Kudos to the craftspeople responsible. I felt his pain.

[@kulyti2118]

Man, you forgot the kart minigame in mortal kombat armageddom. That one was crazy good lmao

[@uthumbandara1406]

This is the closest thing that Dove would talk about Yakuza Nice job man

[@hughtravis]

GTA Online economy is easy enough to get $, and certainly not broken with modders unless you’re on PC. Honestly a severely underrated racing game especially with the addition of drift and drag races

[@Ikcatcher]

I always like when a non-racing game somehow has the depth of an actual racing game with car customization and upgrades

[@naskouz1295]

There is a kart minigame in the Mortal Kombat Armageddon that I remember playing more than the actual game

[@knucklesfan463]

Mafia on consoles actually had a race mode instead of free ride extreme, thus I believe you unlock extra cars by beating the aformentioned races.

[@realuslit]

Bro, i love your accent. Stop hiding it, it’s really nice !!

[@UndercoverBoy833YT]

some people may not bear his accent any longer for some reason but yea I'm a sucker for accents too

[@sadman7021]

I just wish that rubber banding wasnt even a thing. Like just make the opponents actually challenging, dont just make them cheat. Every non racing game with racing i swear

[@THR_-]

Mafia 1 has a standalone racing mode! It's not only in that one mission

[@scarthewerewolf]

23:12 Some races disallow you to use weapon, even firing them fails the mission for the example in Stadium races.

[@carlbrown1000]

Came in with no expectations, and I was not disappointed. This shit was hilarious.

[@MegaDrain]

The Jak and Daxter games loved it's damn racing sections. Jak 2 specifically being pretty challenging with it's races.

[@Ticketman99]

So much so that Jak X is an actual racing game😂😂😂

[@jakel2837]

As a rider, the bike physics in driver are actually more realistic than most games. The first crash clip you showed was a fairly accurate depiction of a high side crash. Basically, your tire suddenly regains traction in a slide, the bike stops, you don't.

[@xTonyTornado]

Rockstar would make a lot of money, if they released variant of gta online only with racing/car culture.

[@NFSBeast2365]

I’d buy it!

[@Pfannkuchenkanone]

So you mean the project homecoming server?

[@dusterpl6093]

Midnight Club still cancelled soz

[@Ticketman99]

They'd do better with Midnight Club 5.

[@shadowguy128]

I remember JC4’s dlc pack or whatever it was that basically had mad max style racing where you just went from point A to point B doing as much damage as fast as you can. That was fun

[@AdamsApples]

You're in for a ride once you see Minecraft ice boat racing ;)

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Considering the fact that driving is such a huge part of gta that its even part of the title I would describe gta as a racing game with shooter elements instead a shooter game with racing elements. I mean the game is quite litterally a car theft simulator.

[@Zecuu]

Halo CE, Halo Reach, and Halo 5 featured a PvP race mode. It's one of my favorite things to do in those games. Especially on custom Forged maps that would often make race tracks shaped like rollercoasters.

[@Elizahmations]

13:11 lol! The rapid respawn button mashing

[@theilleagle8380]

I was hype for this

[@shremk9100]

13:56 this isn't true. While they did "remove" over a hundred cars (not a majority btw since the game had over 600), you do NOT need a GTA+ subscription to access them, they're just rotated in an out of the in game storefronts now instead, somewhat akin to the rotating item shops in games like Fortnite.

[@Riley_Canvessa]

Just Cause 3 has some weird physics but also really fun races, having a damn jump button is pretty fun, tho they are only time trials (tho there is a way to play w a friend online in real time, them being a ghost)

[@CAnAbrAvA2011]

Nice video, I think its safe to say tbere are more games to cover so a part 2 will be aprecciated. Also non-driving content in racing games would be a nice counterpart for the topic of the video

[@NaufalHS]

Idk but I believe that besides some GTA games having racing, I guess even Saints Row games also have racing, like the first two games and idk I consider the Trail Blazing side activities in SR2 and SRTT as partially racing but it's a solo racing time trial, and another similar things appears in Saints Row IV but you were racing alone on foot trying to beat the desired time.

[@NaufalHS]

Also it's good to see you played Cyberpunk and my friend had played the game and he said that the racing parts are just average decent

[@NaufalHS]

And yeah 1:40 this is the part I was talking about

[@gabrielleraul]

Medium left, MEDIUM LEFT, LISTEN TO ME SAMMY, YOU'RE GOING TO WRECK THE CAR!

[@g9blin603]

The scott the woz reference made this vid 1 million times better😂😂😂

[@xSuspect-7]

I had so much fun with the dzs on races, you can hold X for a pulse that will disable permanently other cars, could believe they allowed that. Btw mafia race on classic is demonic

[@wolfgangBuonarotti]

loving this video and the included minigame of trying to figure out where your various accents are from

[@DoVe_7]

idk I was partially sick when doin voiceovers so maybe that effected it lol

[@papamugen2569]

First time ever seeing one of your videos but I appreciate the time and effort you put in to your video it actually kept me entertained the entire time keep it up

[@bobfromlogistics]

The racing portion of the original Mafia was infuriating. I speak this as a person who played the original before the definitive edition. Young me was SO mad.

[@theneedforspeedninja]

007 bloodstone from 2010 and medal of honor warfighter from 2012 had racing/driving feature

[@BmxGuyFromNZ]

On the console versions of mafia 1 there is a complete hole racing series separate to the campaign even has tracks you never get to see otherwise like you cant just drive to there location in freeride or campaign.

[@DEADMEM3]

The other thing with sleeping dogs is, at least during the missions, you loose Police score by crashing into any bit of breakable infrastructure, making cutting corners or crashing very not preferable

[@mijofalco6355]

Here's one game that is sorta part of the yakuza series, and, incorporates racing as well: Fist of the north star lost paradise. Where you have to upgrade and customize your mad max buggy and race in the wasteland. There's points to collect along the way, as well as boost power ups to help you boost more. It's fine for what it is, but I never personally got too deep into it.

[@Jen_meja]

Glad someone else sees how interesting driving in non driving games can be. One of those games for me was surprisingly warzone. The handling of the vehicles feels so nice I rush they made a silly driving mode for it.

[@Nito1997]

You forget about The Saboteur, a WW2 open world era created by Mercenaries dev who had a racing mini game too similiar with Mafia 1 and Definitive Edition

[@dopey473]

I'm glad you didn't just talk about pocket circuit but other Yakuza racing mini games as well. They really didn't have to go so hard.

[@johannpatrickvillena2081]

When yakuza becomes wangan midnight on crack and sake

[@kevinbrodacki]

I'm gonna be honest the handling in cyberpunk got massively improved for most cars way after 2.1

[@SonicMasterLB]

Great video!

[@spiderjerusalem1019]

Surprised you didn´t put the mission "The Driver" in Vice City considering how infamous it can be for inexperienced drivers.

[@VoltageTripwire]

Judgment and Lost Judgment's Drone Racing was simple, yes... but boy did it pull you in.

[@celebrityrog]

While GTA series isn't Midnight Club, Forza or anything like that, it's still a game that involves racing, if not is all about racing with the theft of cars and getting away from cops. It's just a different racing game.

[@ThaJay]

PVP racing in GTAV Online was pretty good back in the day and I have spent many hours racing with friends and randoms in that game. We even made custom tracks for each other and had a few really good ones. I did like the GTA4 handling better though.

[@ThePaperKhan]

One of my al time favorites non racing games with cars is Mafia 2. For multiple reasons, the great physics make the game feel much more realistic and not many other games have cars of the 30s-50s. Its so fun speeding at a hundred mph in a gen 1 ford thunder bird down the highway, your going too fast so then you get launchd off the freeway and fall a few stories. A game without the fun physics but still with classical and early century cars would be "The Saboteur". The game is essentially gta, in Wehrmacht France. World war two civilian, military and classic formula racers are among some of the vehicles available. Its mostly you shooting and blowing up bad guys but a good portion of the game is driving/racing based. I would definitely check out saboteur. I think its on steam now, i think it was just added recently, but i got my copy on gog.

[@tropix1372]

GTA isnt the most sold game anymore... its Minecraft..., but other then that, great video, loved it, keep up the good work ^^

[@florisrodermond9025]

The Saboteur made by EA would’ve been worth a mention. Great game all round

[@jonpeley]

I also remember The saboteur and the few racing missions it had.

[@Jb-db5kj]

Racing in sleeping dogs was always fun with the ram mechanic. What a game

[@clkgtr1998]

8:29 it's crazy you didn't talked about the customizing

[@holygooff]

You forgot to mention that gta VC mission in which you had to race the getaway driver from the bank robbery. So hard!

[@jonthefuzz]

the console version of mafia has an entire racing mode in the menu.

[@MorganMhlungu-ur4yg]

I remember calling GTA "the stealing car game" as a kid😂

[@baph8807]

The Persona music at the end triggered me 😭

[@Subreon]

yoooooooo. driver parallel linessssssss. was great on the wii

[@fleezyp]

Call me crazy but I love getting good at the mini games or side games in side of games, it’s very fun to catch a reaction from other players who can recognize the luck and talent needed

[@HerecomestheCalavera]

Mafia, oh man that race was so hard! I had the game when it first came out, they later added a patch to lower the difficulty but I had to play it on max difficulty. This was also in 2002 when analog controllers for PC wasn't super common like they are now. After failing many many times I ended up using my Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel and was then able to complete it. It was pretty annoying though because I was loving the game up to that point. The atmosphere of the game was amazing at the time.

[@ugamghadi]

Mannn! this video makes me feel like downloading and completing GTA SA for the 5th time😭😂

[@K75RS]

Mafia had a bunh of City-race events in the main menu of the Xbos and PS2 port

[@Korusumi]

The good old days of GTA5 Competitive Racing... Hopefully the physics in are good enough to bring back the gang together for some racing

[@MrMirofl]

great video man!

[@umi3017]

You know, there is secret racing mode in Euro Truck Simulator 2.... I mean, as soon as you go online...