The WORST Cars to Buy | Doug DeMuro

[@TheIcedCoffeeHourClips]

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[@spencerb819]

So I just bought a 2020 Flying Spur with only 17k miles that wasn't even sold until 2021 , I got the car for 55% less than Orig price

[@igorkoske8376]

Best time to buy a Pre-Owned Bentley especially Continental models or Flying Spur is when it hits 2-3 year old and has under 20k-25k miles! You still will get fairly new car with warranty but it will be at 45%-50% less than original MSRP as your MMR value 👍 or you lease new one and register it under your business and write off the internet and depreciation as your business tax expense

[@theodoriller]

I don t agree about the manual thing. Maybe in the US. But in germany manual GT3s are cheaper then PDKs. Don t understand the discussion about SClass you buy in my country not, you lease it for business and get an new one every three years. Then your car has around 80 till 120.000 km. It is a tool here.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

Doug is living the life- looking like he just woke up 10 minutes ago with millions of dollars worth of cars sitting behind him 😂

[@seanwashere]

he will soon realize he needs to start a weight resistance routine.

[@manwhat6915]

He's authentically him

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Uses his cars windscreen water nozzles to shower

[@daweigo6851]

😅😅

[@deechicago25]

He eating good 😂

[@CactusBravo42]

By far the worst trend in today’s automotive industry is replacing buttons that control basic functions such as AC and Radio with touch screens for NO REASON AT ALL other than to save money.

[@jasonmcenroy1961]

Agreed, it’s even this way on the newer lambos. Insane

[@daveydmur]

I had a Buick rental a month ago. To turn the high beams on, you have to touch a screen about six times to do it.

[@daweigo6851]

​@@daveydmurwow, that's ridiculous

[@Superdada]

One of the issues, and I’m surprised Doug didn’t mention this, is the limitations of a clutch with these insane power and torque numbers new supercars are pushing out. There are ways around it but then it would be a traditional “manual transmission” with a clutch plate. Lamborghini talked about this after their last manual Murcielago

[@enigma5314]

@@daveydmurJesus Christ. That would make me punch the screen after a long period of driving that car

[@TheRadik1412]

Worst Cars to Buy (Based on the Discussion): 1. Electric Vehicles (EVs) - Currently experiencing significant value loss - Specifically mentioned as "top of the peak" for depreciation 2. Large Luxury Cars - Mercedes S-Class - BMW 7 Series - Noted for "deeply deeply depreciating" - Buyers generally expect the depreciation 3. Bentleys (Especially Used) - Massive initial depreciation ("lose 200 Grand in an afternoon") - Significant maintenance issues after warranty expires - Expensive components and repairs - Parts availability becomes an issue with age 4. Rolls-Royce - Mentioned as an example of expensive cars ($600,000) that break frequently - High maintenance costs - Reliability issues 5. Older Luxury Cars with Complex Technology - Issues with aging technology - Expensive to repair - Outdated features - Parts becoming unavailable - Complex powertrains that are expensive to maintain many of these issues are particularly problematic for second and third owners, as manufacturers primarily focus on the original owner's experience during the first 3-4 years of ownership.

[@Boguardis]

so pretty much a "no shit sherlock" kind of video.

[@Boguardis]

thanks for saving me 8 minutes of these donuts talking.

[@eugenewang4650]

there are 2 old ultra luxury models that are worth buying- toyota century & Lexus LS of any generation.

[@Boguardis]

@ Nothing about Lexus or Toyota is "ultra luxury".

[@mrgreen4688]

@@Boguardisyou’ve never seen a toyota century.

[@bobbyflores220]

Car makers have swapped out quality and reliability for unreliable tech, crappy build quality, shorter lifespans and are overpriced..

[@LottoSense-h5m]

And if customers oblige then they will keep doing it! It’s a win-win for them and a fantastic business model! Look at clothing market people would wear uncomfortable and unpractical things but they don’t care as it’s a statement and showcase of status. Companies know this and exploit it!

[@bbcapital7953]

its done on purpose they want to sell you something new every 7 years if they can build shitty quality and charge you for it and you come back and pay up its a great business model not to forget the subsciption model and the things they would charge y9ou to fix

[@t3truedesigns]

facts

[@cayetano6547]

and by design..cars are built to last enough for them to escape warranties

[@JoeBlunt]

It's a reflection of what an uneducated consumer will buy

[@ANGRYREDOWL]

Doug is the Kida guy who will give you the ins and outs of how to buy a supercar while looking like a guy that's never been in a car.

[@briengakaplan-b1550]

He looks like he just rolled out of bed meanwhile he’s got millions bucks worth of cars behind him 😂 life is good.

[@gr33nytherevengemaster26]

@@briengakaplan-b1550 that carrera gt is almost 2mil alone

[@Kyle-ye5eo]

Looks like he lives in one

[@teniecelmare]

@@Kyle-ye5eo💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@manwhat6915]

The hatred is real.

[@Ndw1995]

Got a Lexus IS500, 1 year old 16k miles for $54k. Could not be happier, I love the “old” tech in the car, everything I need, nothing I don’t

[@DJFaNaTiiC]

That is a veeeery good purchase my man

[@richardmorris6365]

Between that a C8 or a Cadillac is what I'm considering. I'm looking to buy renowned & I get an aftermarket warranty. LC500 seems like a decent blend of ride & performance for Grand Touring which is my wheelhouse.

[@viperz22]

LC500 FTW

[@VintageRKO]

Same. As long as it has car play, im happy

[@waxaxe]

But he’s talking about luxury cars, not Toyota’s.

[@jessef.81]

THIIIIISSSS is the calmest I've seen Doug. THIIIIISSSS is a good podcast.

[@ANGRYREDOWL]

Doug is the kinda guy that can afford a haircut but won't get one.

[@Will-cd1zn]

When bought my GLE 350. It was somewhere close to 3 years old. It had 32000 miles and one minor accident. It was in great condition still under factory warranty and i paid 30,000 less than MSRP. I've had it close to six years now with no issues.

[@Bmc2021]

You're lucky

[@tomhui87]

Yea you’re lucky. Had a 2016… the clunky 7 spd transmission sucked sold it after 70k

[@Lamartian]

Mine fell apart starting at year 3. The engine and transmission are reliable and the stereo sounds great. Everything else, now up over $5k worth, has broken. And my wife constantly reminds me that her Atlas has a better engine and more features. The GLE 350 is an underpowered Buick. The GLE 350 shouldn't exist. The 450 should be the base. Mercedes duped a lot of people and they are paying the price now. Nobody wants their cost cutter designs.

[@Will-cd1zn]

@@Lamartian I haven't had an issue. It's going on 8 years old. I got the 3.5L V6. With almost every upgrade offered in that year. Maybe you got the newer 2.0L Turbocharged I4?

[@Lamartian]

@@Will-cd1zn Yes, I have the newer I4, but the engine (though underpowered) is not unreliable. It's everything else in the car that is super cheap

[@Brandon-0300]

Should’ve named this episode “what happened to the manual transmission” or “master class Commercial”. I’m still wondering what’s the worst car to buy.

[@wackrapsatire]

Yeah but also nah. You get the gist through his subtext. Just use your brain and add A to B. He makes good points without telling you " this exact 5 Series BMW is shit, because"

[@Noah.Johnson.]

The title was clickbait but I still enjoyed Doug's expository

[@MrDontask007]

Seems to be a trend of this channel

[@SparklingWalrus]

Should’ve named the episode, scammer con artist who promoted FTX interviews doug demuro

[@MrDontask007]

@SparklingWalrus source on this? I've never seen a sponsorship for doug

[@exupgh123]

Once Luxury cars meant reliability, today Luxury cars are a joke regarding reliability.

[@sidneyshaw9205]

Lexus?

[@sachinmistry1]

Mid 80s Mercedes were tanks

[@exupgh123]

@ much better then most luxury cars when it comes to reliability.

[@riccochet704]

Technology is what's going to make all these modern cars worthless in the future. No one is going to want to restore a 2015 S-Class Mercedes in 2040. Not like a 1982 300CD which can still fetch $60-80k in restored condition. Classic cars will always be valuable due to their simplicity.

[@zulusmith]

You have no way of knowing what will be considered "classic" in 2040.

[@MeedLT]

I'd argue not many people want to restore any cars in general. Are there lines of people lining up to restore 25 year old S classes today? not really, so to have the standard that in 15 years people wont want to restore a 25 year old s class is a bit weird. Your other comparison car is however 43 years old. So change that date to be 2060 and you might be right, but I'm doubtful many can predict whats going to happen in next 10 years, not to mention 35.

[@riccochet704]

@@zulusmith well, considering 20 years is the line for "classic", yeah, a 25 year old s-class would be a classic car.

[@ruimpinho]

​@@riccochet704 a 05' car is far from being a classic lol. Age isn't everything. Apart from car play and driving aids, most aspects of driving a 20-year-old car are exactly the same as a brand new one. 60's, 70's and 80's cars however, feel very different from each other. Same with cellphones. 1995-2005 generation was very different from 2015-2025.

[@hardywoodaway9912]

@@riccochet70425year old S-Classes are now in africa or the junkyard. these are no classic cars. a classic car is a low production car like a Z8

[@cobracommander9138]

I always wanted a 550 S Class Benz, Black on Black. I got one that was 4 years old, it had been returned after a 4 year lease. I bought it for half the sticker price. It even came with the window sticker price. I had the car for over ten years. I did all of the oil changes myself. The only issue I ever had was the shocks kept breaking down and the air pump. I took them out and put regular shocks and never had an issue again. The ride was still nice and smooth. I was going to sell it at 100k miles but pushed it to 110k and now it overheats and needs an engine rebuild. I think I got my money's worth out of the car and if I can't fix it for cheap I'm going to have to junk it or sell it for similar junkyard price. I won't be getting another one because I want something different. I also don't regret owning one because it was one my affordable dream cars and it served me well.

[@AlienLivesMatter]

My 89 sclass has over 300,000 kilometres...

[@cobracommander9138]

@@AlienLivesMatter That's really good! Mine is a 2008 S Class and I bought it in 2012. In kilometers it made it to 177,000 kilometers. I guess they don't make them like they use to 😥

[@uuuultra]

we didn't ask

[@cobracommander9138]

@ Your mom did.

[@yungyacht]

100k isn’t alot of miles for it to need a rebuild

[@mentelatl]

I previously worked for a millionaire, and during a personal conversation, he mentioned that all the vehicles he owned were leased. He explained that they performed flawlessly during the initial “honeymoon phase,” but once they reached 20,000 miles, they needed to be replaced.

[@karl7487]

Spoken like a rich guy. Personally, I dispose of my Lambos after 1,000 miles.

[@Boguardis]

"needed" lmfao. That's just bullshit. No car, even a Masterati needs to be replaced that soon. Unless it's literally a supercar and even then with proper maintenance they can keep going.

[@JohnS-ch7cr]

That's straight up nonsense

[@randygutierrez4965]

I don’t think y’all understood what he actually meant. He meant the happy feeling you get of the new car fades. And since he has the money to get another car. He does so.

[@IF040020]

You mean 200 000 miles? 😂

[@simon3cowell]

My 2009 Maserati Quattroporte Executive GT 4.7 is 15 years old (58k miles) n runs perfectly. I updated the variator, replaced the entire cooling system, replaced 2 front upper, 2 front lower control arms, 3 engine mounts, 4 suspension bushings, super big amp w/ 3 front speakers stereo with bluetooth. It's devours continents!

[@jamahlapoynter8774]

That’s barely any miles

[@342boss]

That's all?😅

[@michaelbrown-ws1pc]

Damn and you barely drive the car. Approximately 3400 miles a year and 300 miles a month. That car needs a real driver who is also a master mechanic 😂

[@lemnisgate8809]

3:30 none sense all this tech stuff either becomes obsolete or passe within a few months these teslas will age like smartphones, someone will want that 10 year old Mercedes no one will want that ten year old Tesla.

[@hollowtian6148]

Agreed, cars and tech products are not the same thing. Because essentially as long as the car can be driven, it has done its job, everything else is additional to that. A brand new gas car won’t necessarily be better than a 10 year old car in all aspects.

[@shivvashishthabhargava4600]

100%

[@Lucas75332]

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[@philipbenson746]

I agree just reached my goal of $500k monthly trade earnings. Setting realistic goals is an essential part of trading... ....

[@DivineChibueze-od8py]

some times last week i tried trading all alon but ended up loosing $3k

[@alexandraesther984]

How can someone know a professional broker when legit once are hard to find this days

[@Lucas75332]

Olivia Dullpher. understanding of market indicators is impressive. She knows exactly when to enter and exit trades for maximum profit. her siignals are top notch.

[@ReyesM-oz9li]

I’m glad I pulled through, despite the crises. I am retiring next yr at 55 with 3 houses paid off worth 4.5 million . One is my place of residence the other 2 properties will give me $80,000per/yr rent . I will have an income stream of $20,000 per yr through my super which gives me total $100,000 a yr to live comfortably . I have no debts .

[@Zwikster]

Save the Manuals!

[@PAIDFOR50]

I bought a 2009 lexus RX350 in 2019 with 150,000 miles. It now has 200,000 miles with no problems at all. Paid $8,500 also got the $44,000 window sticker from the original owner. No need to spend 60k to I press you neighbors. Guess what they DONT CARE what you drive.

[@vladovsiannikov1059]

I am the one who cares what I drive, never gave a damn about impressing someone. Spending 1-2 hours in the car everyday makes you care what you drive, it improves your life quality overall. Staying in a 5 star resort probably feels better than 3 star shithole

[@aesthetereview]

@@vladovsiannikov1059 a well-maintained old lexus from the 2000s is a nicer place to be than almost any new car. the build quality is better, the materials are better, the leather seats are comfier, there's no ugly useless touchscreens, you are less conspicuous, and you will never end up on the side of the road. to each their own though--curious what you'd pick over that

[@rosanegra-urbanmusic7678]

@@aesthetereview even older are gold!

[@bl1707]

Neighbours do care what you drive. If you drive a Lexus LX550, they think you are old fashioned reliable family. If you drive a black Mercedes S class, they think...they don't know what to think.

[@cobracommander9138]

I live next to the Joneses they care!

[@enfantterrible4868]

the fact that newer supercars arent manual anymore is also because entry level Ferraris and McLarens have gotten so insanely fast that shifting gears manually while flooring it would be completely overwhelming

[@O1012-u7q]

Absolutely. I recently sold my 570 spider. You could barely flip the paddles fast enough to keep it from hitting the rev limiter. Using your arm and foot to actuate a lever and pedal to manipulate the gears would be absurd. Buy an old slow car for that.

[@elnyoutube123]

Longer gears and less of them would solve that if they were manual

[@jxpd7898]

The problem is the tech to make good manual supercars exits but don't because 0-60 is everything

[@O1012-u7q]

@@elnyoutube123 that would make the car slower, which is dumb

[@elnyoutube123]

@@O1012-u7q Manual F430s go for more money. They are slower. Manual Mercielagos go for more money. They are slower. Manual Gallardos go for more money. They are slower. Manual 599s go for way more money. They are slower. Not everything has to be a "logical" decision.

[@thepeddle]

I missed the part about "The worst cars to buy"

[@CarsofGlasgow]

same!

[@covid699]

S class, 7series, evs, any other luxury sedan (except lexus)

[@iSOBigD]

I felt the same about large luxury cars, so I bought a slightly used G90 for about 1/3 of the cost. Modern but low cost, it has every feature and luxury material but also low maintenance costs and not likely to have major issues for years to come.

[@peterobertson2086]

Am sticking with my 15 year old Lexus LS 460. Before too much tech ruined the driving experience. Plus ,it depreciates very minimally, plus, it never has any problems.

[@Joe-zl7ts]

Poop car

[@mattt4309]

@@Joe-zl7ts yo mama

[@jaybird2148]

I’ve owned both a pre-owned Mercedes 350 and BMW 540 with a M Sport package. I bought both with them being two years old, so it was a car with all the bells and whistles, fairly new tech, but with the original value slashed in half. Both had under 25k in mileage and both still had warranties that I was able to stretch out. As soon as that warranty expires, replace!

[@samyoung8444]

I think the biggest crime with new car technology is coding individual components to the VIN, some of which are one time and can't be recoded. It really hurts the value of used ones and salvage value because the electronics can't be resold or cheaply sourced and have to be gotten new from OE and coded from a dealer.

[@samyoung8444]

I should note I do understand the theft deterrent for chop shops, but it inconvenient for everyone, not just them.

[@mathewhumvee]

Manual transmission don’t let car companies pass federal testing on emissions, MPG and sound requirements Ever noticed the eco mode drive terribly around town. Never down shift, sluggish, and have no power. The computer is set up to pass testing. Manual you can’t do that, to the point Porsche had to play with the rear end ratios just to pass the noise requirements.

[@BradThePitts]

Glad you saw the Hagerty video too! I've shared it dozens of times.

[@shawndon7374]

Actually you could save gas in a manual because you control what gear your in the same way an auto controls the gear your in. Go suck up hagerty if you think thats the end all be all 😂

[@PJK-444]

All the Tremec manuals have a 1 to 4 (2-3 lockout) for the same reason. Fortunately it can be bypassed easily.

[@joelpierce3940]

You are wrong. My C7 Corvette Z06, M7, gets better mileage, (no gas guzzler tax , vs automatic with tax). I have gotten 30 mpg at 75 mph.

[@railgunawesome7114]

@@joelpierce3940 30 mpg at highway cruising speeds is completely doable, but it's not what is used to rate a car's mpg and emissions.

[@lancraft]

These manufacturers should absolutely have manual transmission retrofit divisions. I was unaware Aston Martin did this, but they would all make a fortune.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

3:00, weird, im driving an 11 year old lexus ls and other than a few interior lights, everything works.

[@adamhunter1064]

Lexus is a nicer Toyota. Rated even better in reliability. Nothing like a Bentley.

[@zdog90210]

When I bought my 2009 Acura TL I did some research on the internet and in fact the vehicles with the technology package sell for one to $2,000 less than the base model cars because the base model cars got a normal functioning radio with buttons The tech package got a 2008 quality computer unit That years later doesn't work, and it makes the base model much more valuable than the tech model

[@Whateva67]

I bought my wife an 05 Acura TL years ago and it’s been great and still looks great, the cd player quit working a few years ago and it’s too expensive to replace the whole unit but, whatever. The car is still great.

[@zdog90210]

@Whateva67 I love my Acura TL, I'm not one for social status personally but it is funny when people think I have a good job or a lot of money because I drive an Acura but they don't know it was $9000 and cheap as an Accord to fix!

[@howardchen3456]

The demand is high because car makers aren't making them anymore.

[@StewartLucrative]

EXACTLY. It's crazy how little doug knows about cars.

[@ThatSpecificIndividual]

Another factor is that in the US, specifically manuals also have the allure of being a very effective anti theft device. The amount of videos of car jackers getting in and then fleeing when seeing a 3rd pedal can't be understated.

[@JobiWan144]

I think you mean it can't be *overstated*... even though it's totally possible to overstate the number of such videos, which, however high it might be, is decidedly finite. Perhaps the pleasure you derive from these videos (i.e., something that you can't quantify) can't be overstated, though

[@CarsWithScars]

As much as you might want that to be true, its simply not. People who steal cars know how to drive them.

[@fauxtool952]

@@CarsWithScars most opportunistic thieves are fatherless. Fathers are the ones who teach manual driving generally.

[@tdawg6877]

@@CarsWithScarsdoubtful. Most ppl stealing cars are 16-21 year olds from the inner city going to the nearest nice area and selling them for $500-$10,000 to someone who knows how to sell them for a profit to an overseas buyer. U think a 16 year olds can jump in and drive a manual? Maybe some can sure, but I doubt most can.

[@CarsWithScars]

@ cool story, but in the real world my 5spd civic was stolen twice in three months

[@ferraridan4883]

Great video ! I always loved Doug's perspective on anything automotive

[@yujiinagaki]

I've driven a manual transmission car since I got my driver's license. The first time I bought an Auto/Paddle is the 2014 Nissan GT-R, as it's a dream car of mine. Still have it, and will cross the 100k miles in about 6 months. However, the itch of driving a manual came back 2 years ago. I then purchased a 2020 Porsche 718 Spyder so now I can drive a manual when the GT-R gets a bit boring. Manual is just different 😄

[@dieselsupplyco.2721]

This post just made me feel poor but I’m happy you’re able to get your dream cars 😭

[@lunam7249]

good man!, new corvettes a AUTOMATIC ONLY!!😂🎉🎉😂😂🎉🤢🤢🤮🤮lol!!

[@faraazgani441]

Do me a favour. Sit in gridlocked traffic in a manual car and then you’ll think twice about a buying a manual. Also, have you ever been in a hydro-planing incident on the road. In a manual car, you need to worry about gears whereas in an automatic transmission, you just need to worry about steering and regaining control of the car rather than stalling out and flying into a highway barrier.

[@alikahil9620]

@@faraazgani441 people who have money like this don't sit in traffic on a regular basis.

[@jasonmcenroy1961]

@@alikahil9620ngl I have a lambo and a manual m3, and I sit in traffic all the time 😭

[@davidm2938]

Any here I am with my 20 year old Lexus LS430 with absolutely nothing wrong. Even the Air suspension is still working. Company's can make fantastic cars they just choose not too. Lexus ain't perfect but for the price you get pretty close.

[@ronen160]

Doug Demuro is great isn't he? knowledgeable and sincere. This was an enjoyable video!

[@williamjeffbuckleyjr.2648]

I agree. I heard it said that they somehow got Jay Leno’s soul implanted in the guy. And you can sort of see him peeking out.

[@gamall1]

Thats why i always own a lexus. I currently have LX 2021 and it still drives very smoothly.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

MATURITY is understanding that if you buy a $100,000 car for $50,000, you're gonna spend another $50,000 repairing it.

[@EVFTMFW]

Idk dude I paid $28k for a 911, drove it (and turoed it) for 30,000 miles, and sold it for $31k It didn’t blow up until AFTER I sold it

[@yanis_s500]

Not agreed. I bought Mercedes S coupe and no issues for the last two years.

[@PR9M1N3N7]

Not if you a mechanic

[@fredwilliams7893]

Yea, not true at all. And this is comming from a Audi owner my car has been reliable at 111k miles 9 years old

[@JMOPHX]

Dumb comment.

[@lindenblvd25]

There are actually fewer people going into a dealership to purchase a manual. Most manuals sit on the lot, its a tiny percentage of manual buyers vs automatic. Manufacturers aren't making money cause you want a used manual from 20 years ago. A good example is the Honda Accord, how many people are actually going to buy a big four-door family sedan that's a manual?

[@merdog3190]

W221 222 s class are worth the money. Find a well maintained mid to low mile example and you will never want to drive anything else ever. Unbelievably quiet, comfortable, and powerful enough. Keep up on the maintenance and you will be fine.

[@Dakotastx]

Those are great cars but I don’t know how reliable they really are considering the complexity. They seem super solid when maintained well, but I haven’t found many people that keep them longer than 80k-100k miles Whereas I’ve seen tons of Lexus LS vehicles with 200k+ or sometimes 300k+ miles. Now, a Lexus isn’t an S Class but you get my point. The idea of getting into a W221 or even W222 has intrigued me for a good while but the risk of biting off more than I can chew seems quite high

[@martinsv9183]

@@Dakotastx If you look in Germany though there are tons of S with those miles. Not many Lexus :)

[@AlienLivesMatter]

My 89 w126 has over 300k kilometres. Parts still available. No stupid screens. Benz golden era was before it was sold to Deuchbank.

[@tomcat8662]

My first couple cars were manual transmission and I drove them for about ten years. I find it hilarious that people want to go back to driving those things. Absolute nightmare when you’re driving in stop and go traffic. The only positive to them at this point is that they’re harder to steal.

[@pab3783]

Doug is the kind of guy that grows an early 2000’s Hollywood villain’s beard in 2025.

[@wjkrug]

Doug is one of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to cars. He’s always spot on in these conversations

[@CR7Update]

I dont buy any of these arguments that these luxury cars are so expensive to maintain is because the auto makers only care about the first owner because Lexus LITERALLY debunks all of these arguments! LEXUS is expensive but also a million times more reliable than the s class or 7 series. So much so that there are still more Lexus GS400's on the road than pre 2015 750i's that i see. Lexus literally let the consumers have their cake and eat it too. Not to mention, automakers have been making cars for over a century now, if they wanted to, they COULD make these super cars reliable but they CHOOSE not to.

[@The_D_Man]

Doug is a class act. He is also extremely knowledgeable but keeps an air of fun to his delivery.

[@Thigster]

I think the main reason many manufacturers have pulled back on manuals is because a lot of "safety" tech that is being mandated by the DOT (for vehicles sold in the US) requires auto trans. As car enthusiasts, im surprised you guys don't realize / mention this.

[@fonqstarr3636]

Burnt out clutches not a cheap fix anymore

[@lunam7249]

i didnt know!! i dont think these guys know!

[@viscountslappy5085]

They don't build manuals because no one buys them. Simple as that. If enough people bought them, they'd find a way to make them work around regulations.

[@onewizzard]

no that's a lie. if it's safer why are semi trucks all manual?

[@Thigster]

@@onewizzard A lie?? 😅😂🤣 #Kids

[@migit6foot4]

I bought a 2005 Mercedes benz slk350 convertible with 115k miles on it. No issues just pay $50 for insurance and gas. And it runs and looks great. No bills. And I get looks everytime I drive it

[@alrightalrightalrightalright]

jack watching doug talk: >:( graham watching doug talk: :D

[@playboyv12]

As a manual loving diehard , I’ve accepted its “death” from the exotics and here’s why: The manual “demand” is only from hardcore driving enthusiasts. Those people make up a tiny percentage of who actually buy these cars BRAND NEW from the factory. It’s safe to say the hardcore enthusiasts probably split 80/20 in favor of manual over automatic , but often represent such a small percentage of new car buyers. I believe the amount of factory manuals for the Ferrari F430 and 599 were in the double digits, not even triple digits. I believe 1-2 Californias literally were made with a manual. Lamborghinis like the Gallardo and Murcielago are slightly better but not amazing either. The best example of how all this falls apart is the story of the E60 BMW M5. Wasn’t offered in a manual originally, then followed by huge internet outcry over that. They release a manual finally and very few people bought one! 😂 Looking back, the only reason manuals ever really existed in performance cars was because the alternatives just weren’t fast/sporty enough for the manufacturers liking. The single clutch automated manual that Ferrari unveiled in 1999 for the F355 had only debuted ten years prior in Formula One. Once exotics could be bought without manuals, the manuals were essentially on life support. Many people would begrudgingly learn manual to own an exotic up until that point. It’s all about economics. Doug’s 10% number is way off, easily closer to 1%. Diehards suffer in every marketing context, just how it is. Then you get a company like Lotus who essentially is the car made for such people and they’re not very powerful in the market. You likely will be able to buy a manual lotus until the end of time but they’re a baby compared to the rest.

[@buddy1155]

In the Netherlands there are 2651 different versions of car sold, 2319 are automatic and 332 are still manual. Including US brands: Jeep & Ford Mustang

[@hugomota3696]

in the netherlands they sell more automatic than manual??

[@johnvillamil3138]

He does a great explanation without yelling like he normally does. Thanks Doug.

[@mckibbinjoe]

Why car companies don't do Manual Transmissions? Anyone here on this thread work in engineering & manufacturing? While it's easy to say "there's a, market; just do it." there is a lot of cost involved (mechanical engineering, software engineering, tooling, part cost based on volume, build line equipment and tooling, inventory management, build line conversion costs to switch from automatic version vs manual version, etc). Tooling cost alone can run $2-$10 Million, so let's stop there and not even look at part cost nor R&D Engineering cost & time, which could run $1 - $5 Million in itself. Let's do simple math and say tooling cost is $10,000, 000 and the automotive company company makes$1,000 profit on a manual transmission (highly likely waay too high), that's 10,000 manual transmission vehicles that would need to be sold. Now let's start factoring in all the other costs associated to have a 2nd transmission, now you've exponentially increased the # of cars you'd need to sell to just breakeven year over year. Oh yeah, one last rid bit for those people thinking "economies of scale" or "common parts", I'm not going to happen because there are very minimal parts that are the same between an automatic transmission and a manual transmission. Now, what about the different software needed?

[@hugomota3696]

is that for us market only? because in europe, manual is still the majority, so higher cost maybe is not issue here

[@mckibbinjoe]

@hugomota3696 Engineering and manufacturing is the same regardless of what country you are in. What ultimately determines what a company wants to offer comes down to : 1. Profit or loss per offering. If a profit it's up to the company how big or small they want. If it's a loss it will depend on what the company's strategy is. Walmart has losses in their store just to get people in the door and they accept that because the #'s show that people will buy more and will buy products thay have a massive profit margins, thus off setting the products they lose money on. 2. What is the amortization of the capital investment and what is the company's payback period. Some amortization periods can be 5, 10, or 20 years so that lowers your capital invest. 3. Some manufacturer's will use the same components in the same products and that will lower the piece cost because of volume. 4. Does the company want a competitive edge? See Walmart example from #1. The thought is, if you get more cuss to buy your stuff and not your competitors, you'll make more money in the long run. There are numerous other factors that play into this, but offering a manual and automatic transmission does add cost across the board to a company regardless of company, where the company is located, or where they outsource their labor. The American companies have done the analysis and it has shown the cost to offer manual transmissions vs # of people buying them isn't worth all the extra work, management, overhead, and cost. They now get to reduce engineering staffing, factory build line workers, reduce warehouse space, reduce manufacturing schedules, etc. AND because EVERYTHING they make has an automatic transmission, they can use the different models in different vehicles, which from point #3 above the cost per vehicle goes down increasing their profit margin. Then when you have inflation or other events that gives them the cover to raise prices, when in fact their prices didn't go up or because of the cost savings of using the same parts, they still raise the price. Pass it on to the consumer. And this becomes the new base price. Now when inflation goes down, their profit margins are back up and they did ZERO efforts to reduce the price. I've been in the mechanical engineering and manufacturing industry working at multiple Fortune 500 companies for many years and the pattern is the same.

[@joelpierce3940]

I am keeping my 2019, C7 Z06, M7. It’s a blast.

[@austinshatzer]

RE: Manual transmissions, it all comes down to cost. OEM's don't have to worry about some goofball money shifting a dual clutch under warranty.

[@FC3_RIPPER]

Not sure about other manufactures but i know my Honda engine will actually count every time the engine “Over revs” (aka money shifts) and if they can prove the damage was caused by a money shift im pretty sure it voids your warranty lmao.

[@hugomota3696]

@@FC3_RIPPER how you know that??

[@rayzecor]

About the manual transmission issue, it's just because of emissions. You can program an automatic to be as efficient as possible during the emission tests, but the manual has so much space for user error, as well as people statistically being known to shift late, that it's really difficult for it to pass the emissions standards.

[@coolbreeze253]

One big reasons there are so few manual trans models available is that the demand in the new car market is miniscule. Ergo, with fewer available there, the used car demand is higher. Oh, and this comes from 30+ years in the wholesale and retail car business.

[@silhouette300]

situation with manual gearbox cars is funny: people just want stuff than other people don't have) it's the main reason in used Ferrari/Lamborghini market. as soon as it becomes mass-production and looses exclusivity factor - people will be not interesting in manual cars anymore. 599 with factory manual just much more rare - and people want it) same with Murcielago. but when these cars were new - almost all customers ordered auto)

[@perezpepito104]

1:49 performance tolerances are very narrow

[@Dou6.2]

Mercedes-Benz right now is SO BAD! Every model has issues… be warned. Awful awful awful quality from Mercedes

[@roman006]

Doug comes off as such a cool/chill dude just to talk cars with, also gave you a sub

[@captnjim44smith74]

There are a lot of manual Porsches available.

[@tom_hagen1972]

I remember manual Audi A8's and 7series being quite popular in 90s Germany. The US market demand basically killed the concept, because it just wasn't cost effective anymore.

[@GrayHuska]

I have an E38 740il M Sport - Bought it for $13,500CAD with 180,000km - I feel like these are going to appreciate

[@StefanThePro]

They are appreciating!

[@klepto5596]

Not with that ridiculously high mileage.

[@RANDOMGUY-ty3ze]

​@@klepto5596 I've seen one with 200,000 go for 20,000.

[@klepto5596]

@RANDOMGUY-ty3ze I'm from the UK. They're about £7000 for one with 60,000 miles. It must be the rarity over there that's keeps the value high.

[@GrayHuska]

@@klepto5596 KM not miles…

[@AllthingsRocco]

They had great questions throughout the whole podcast with Doug . And I think Doug was even impressed at all the quality questions throughout that.

[@alharris7851]

Only buy lexus, toyota and honda

[@ozzycortes]

💯

[@staravs360]

Yes. They are very practical & easy to fix 👍

[@roelandzw1846]

Nope, Toyota and mazda.

[@samsanders7428]

Should I avoid a 2012 mercedes e350?

[@PelicanIslandLabs]

"Everyone wants.a Bently"................ ah, that's a BIG NO!

[@ninjawatcher6955]

Doug is the kind of guy that sees all questions as great.

[@brunoidini4870]

I hate when the video title does not match the content.

[@theodanielwollff]

Its funny to make that anyone actually wants a cybertruck. I laugh at it everytime I walk by one parked. The best part is the cameras pick me up laughing and driver can here my comments later :)

[@eddieg6436]

Excellent answers to the fact that Rolls Royce’s, Bentleys, etc break and are unreliable DESPITE costing a fortune……….yet ANOTHER reason why I love my LEXUS LC convertible!!!!! 🤷🏼‍♂️😂🤷🏼‍♂️😂

[@gimaru1]

1:15 I’ve heard people using VW parts on Bentleys as they apparently share many parts since the same parent company

[@letsgodancin1]

VW and Audi share parts for sure. Also VW, Seat and Skoda share many parts. There is a possibility that some simple parts might be shared among the VW auto group umbrella including Bentley

[@jimjam2783]

I remember when my finance agreement ended the Toyota salesman was trying to convince me to buy a new car. He said the old one will start to fall apart now it’s coming up to 10 years. Still driving it two years later with only minor issues. But I see why manufacturers have an incentive to make the quality worse so they can convince you to buy a new one.

[@T997S]

Manuals are dead really for two reasons: 1. Emissions 2. Money - the return on investment isn’t there for most OEMs.

[@Johnny-mi5np]

I would argue it is to eventually take away everyone's right to drive a vehicle. Sooner than people think cars will all be self driven and you won't be able to manually drive it.

[@cjc2611]

​@Johnny-mi5np I own a manual 2012 trd tacoma and I will never sell it for this exact reason. That will be my bug out truck

[@filipstrapinadotcz]

I would like to see Dougs opinion on Porsche with their Porsche Approved program. You can have a 25 years old car and it can be still under warranty if you go for a regular service check and pay for the program. And its like 1.5k eur per year here in Europe.

[@johnperkins1307]

The manual transmission demand is not as large as it seems. It's artificially inflated because auto enthusiasts will go online and talk about how manual transmissions are the best thing in the world but these are the people that are passionate enough to talk about it online in their spare time. For every enthusiast there are 20 non enthusiasts who just want to go fast from point A to point B.

[@Lorenzo-wl5xt]

Exactly. Just go outside and see for yourself. 95% of the time, the car you see has an automatic transmission. Thank God for auto transmission. Way better than manual.

[@joecampbell4199]

It's the low production numbers of manual supercars that has made them more valuable. If it's rare, it's collectible. If it's mass-produced, the rarity goes down and so does the value.

[@WarmandHardy]

I bought a Honda in college and I’ll never go back to buying overpriced/shit American cars.

[@ThatSpecificIndividual]

Odds are that Honda is probably more American made than the homegrown brands. Unless its a jdm import.

[@MasterOfNone88]

“I want a Bentley “ said no one. Ever. 😂

[@holmiumh]

They are very popular in SoCal and some parts of China, it's very regional.

[@MasterOfNone88]

@ I’m SoCal born and raised. Trust me bro. G-Wagons , RR, Porsche , I even see more Rolls Royce than Bentley

[@papayaman123]

I want a Bentley, they are so nice and smooth, very high quality interiors! Please drive one and then you might change your mind.

[@papayaman123]

@@MasterOfNone88 What's wrong with Bentley?

[@MasterOfNone88]

@@papayaman123 I’ve driven one twice on Turo. I prefer the Rolls Royce. Nothing is wrong with them. Just better options than a Bentley. When I drove the Bentley Continental GT and Flying Spur. They felt very Volkswageny like an A8. Rolls Royce is in a class of its own. I drove a 2015 RR Ghost for my wedding last year..loved it so much, ended up extending the rental out an extra three days. I did not want to return it. lol. I guess I’m just trolling Bentley. Another car that has waaay better quality than Bentley…Genesis G80.

[@roadrash76]

I have a 2021 911 Carrera S with a manual. While it's a very special car to me, don't know what Doug is talking about when he said Porsche makes limited run manuals at 4:44 My car was no more expense than its PDK equipped counterpart. I'd argue that it was actually less expensive than a PDK equivalent actually. The PDK option is thousands more, my manual was a zero cost option, and it came with Sport Chrono included. With the PDK, you'd have to pay extra for the Sport Chrono.

[@kart007k]

3:45 this guy is on a wrong podcast. He has no idea.

[@raminvision]

I think he did a great job at asking questions

[@joshualevi]

I bought a 2017 Mercedes C300 4matic for $13,100 about a year ago with 32k miles on it. I am the 3rd owner and it was approx. $47k new as optioned. It’s been a wonderful car. I had some items replaced under warranty and have put a couple thousand dollars into it. It’s in near perfect condition and just over 50k miles now.

[@Billn1971]

I like the style of the older C class coupes.

[@EDGELEAK]

They didn’t speak at all about Lexus. What a sham lol

[@pcpwcail]

What about Lexus?

[@ginsunh]

That's because they're talking about cars that are bad buys because of maintenance costs. Lexus makes 500,000 mile cars.

[@tv321123]

@@ginsunh They are not talking about Lexus because they are consistently behind the competition in performance & the drive. And they have not made '500,000' mile cars in the past decade or so. My last Lexus was mechanically totaled at 65K miles 8 years old.

[@lotreeblu]

Lc500 is one of the best cars they’ve made and one of the best currently on the market

[@gabrielgonzalez6456]

@@tv321123they’re behind in preface, definitely. But I disagree on reliability, they still make 500k cars. You might’ve had a bad experience but overall they’re still reliable. It’s the same powertrain on most of their cars for 10-20 years. Almost if their vehicle are not turbocharged, which usually strains the engine more. And they barely make AWD, which also adds to the maintenance level.

[@akbarbukhari]

my friend bought a s500 for 146K and in two years he sold it for 75K.

[@StefanThePro]

Just bought an S65 for 65% markdown after 4 years. Insane depreciation.

[@jsr3793]

Ughhh. There's not a large demand for manual supercars. There's a very small very loud group of enthusiasts that want a manual Ferrari. Even when they offered both manual and auto versions of the cars, the auto versions outsold the manual versions something like 9-1. Hell Doug's Ferrari sold so cheap because it was a manual.

[@stoundingresults]

Only cars to look at are Japanese manufactured Mazda and Lexus. These are the only ones that seem to be less likely with designed obsolescence built in.

[@STARSTATUSCHRIS]

Lexus is the best for a person who wants Luxury and Reliability hands down.

[@floggyWM1]

@@STARSTATUSCHRIS Lexus Luxury quality actually went down since 22-23, but their price went up by at least 10-20% on all vehicles.

[@strafefire]

Only of you buy anything pre 2021. Newer Japanese vehicles are starting be less reliable than some oost 2019 American cars due to finally moving everything to new platforms. The Japanese will eventually figure it out, but for now be careful.

[@redwolf9455]

Mazda is ass

[@tommyv1477]

Porsche is one of the most reliable cars period

[@miguelvega7769]

I love my 2014 S550, had it for 5 years, usually do maintenance myself

[@victordohleman953]

Bought a 3.5-year-old AUDI A8L with 19k miles for 55K. New was 110K. ADD THE EXTENDED WARRANTY and you have a good machine.

[@BelmiroDaVeigaJr]

THE INTERVIEW WE NEEDED! I LOVE DOUG DEMURO!!!!

[@C23-o4o]

Doug is awesome, his content is so straight forward and to the point.

[@rolex517]

I own a 1999 Bentley Arnage Green Label for that exact reason, cheap parts because the driveline is a 4.4 BMW v8 and everything is easy to access. I had to replace the transmission, radiator and torque converter in my first month of ownership, parts total $1,600 and I’m the labor.

[@SRX2004]

Even if the original warranty runs out can't you get an extended warranty?

[@KezbanKemal]

Happy with my decision to join the Adaxum presale. Let’s see how it performs in the long run.

[@johnprescott7389]

Doug is saying exactly the same stuff Matt Watson was saying on his video about bentleys at carwow. Interesting

[@btw985]

I wanted a manual bronco but a couple things steered me away. Brand new transmission design and it was built in China. Minor issue was you can’t use remote start. If it was a bulletproof design when I ordered in 2020 I would have dealt with the remote start problem.

[@FiratSezgi]

Keeping an eye on Adaxum. The project seems promising enough to have potential upside.

[@trustyoungpierre9959]

Got a BMW 2011 E90 , paid off and did most the work myself with the help of a buddy. Really reliable once fixed and honestly with no car note life’s a breeze! New cars today don’t really interest me at all.

[@ZevMeth_originaljewishmusic]

I think it's best to buy a newer one with really high mileage, that way if it breaks, which it likely will due to it's high mileage, then it can be fixed under warrant, and maybe you wouldn't as much a long time, as the main things were already taken care of!

[@SADilNikad]

I am looking at how much money it would be a total cost (buying and owning) and how many miles it would go. Now, I made a mistake for not including how many services are able to fix it... I have 2011 VW Jetta diesel with 223k miles (I got it with 73k miles in 2019). It doesn't cost much to maintain but almost noone knows how to fix it 🙄

[@PaulJones-hi3qi]

Last July I bought a 2006 Miata automatic. The performance is very close to a manual. I am 70 and have a bad left leg. So, the automatic is perfect for me.