The WORST Crisis in the DC Multiverse! | Convergence

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[@comicpop]

Buy Convergence here: amzn.to/2frPUrb

[@신한나-q1t]

Can’t wait for eventual Omnibus collecting everything, including the breakout character Telos’s series!

[@afvegito]

DC: *Destroys the Injustice Universe* Also DC: Here's Injustice 2 like 2 years later!

[@Dragonage2ftw]

They’ve been weird about that. The implication seems to be that there’s multiple Injustice 2 universes.

[@Henderson10666]

@@Dragonage2ftw especially cause Brainiac is the main villain of all of them

[@tezmard3003]

@@Dragonage2ftwif the multiverse is infinite that’s obviously true

[@garrettmorton774]

Kingdom Come Superman must fight for Deimos because he's mad that the New 52 represents everything he hates in Kingdom Come.

[@CarlosRodriguez-sv4wd]

only series where my local comic shop actually bagged the entire series and sold it as a bundle at like 75% off like the day after it ended and still didn't sell it.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Quote and print that: "This is the platypus of Crises."

[@spiderbatman97]

Well, Convergence sucked, but we have Post-Crisis Superman out of this.

[@ricardorios2355]

spiderbatman97 It made it all worth it

[@TevyaSmolka]

spiderbatman97 yep and that's the best part

[@spiderbatman97]

Also for people that want to read the "Golden Age" of Post-Crisis Superman i suggest to read since "Exile" (1988) trhought "The Fall of Metropolis" (1994). Not saying that all that came afterward was bad, but it never got to that quality again until Rebirth.

[@ChadBenjamin]

I loved Geoff John's run on Action Comics 2008-2009 since it gave us the best Brainiac story and the best General Zod story ever.

[@spiderbatman97]

***** The whole Busiek/Johns era Post-Infinite Crisis and before New Krypton is pretty great in general, Camelot Falls was the business back in the day.

[@Katekyo504]

That one guy on the left. Who calls himself Ethan. I can't put my finger on who he is.

[@DanielDAdkins]

Convergence was weird because despite being a huge, continuity-laden story, it was written by Jeff King, who hadn't written any comics before. And considering the reveal that Telos was actually Arak, Son of Thunder, I think King is just a big Warlord fan, so he put all that into Convergence.

[@JoshMunroe]

...And then DC editorial comes in and says, "Now I'm the villain of this story!"

[@oatmat]

Sorry Sorry but I have to say it, ETHAN GOT A HAIRCUT!!!!!!!!!!!

[@zprine]

The RED Samurai Ethan got a lot of hairs cut!

[@oatmat]

Then Perhaps I should say HAIRSTYLE!!!!!!

[@nightwingr]

The RED Samurai he looks like injustice nightwing

[@justniquol8972]

Someone finally said it.

[@jemitysfilms]

that's Ethan?

[@Mike_Dubo]

Stopping the original Crisis would cause so many kinks in the overall timeline of the multiverse, it would bend over itself backwards to the point it becomes a ouroborous style singularity, yet they had the gall to not show anything from the event itself?!

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Convergence?? Sal is gonna rip this apart.

[@Ubermensch9240]

And hoo boy does he! Although not as hard as Comic Infinity.

[@AnnoBathory]

Hated this Book, but loved the tie-ins.

[@incitossol]

Robert Devlin Isn't that the general consensus with this mess?

[@AnnoBathory]

Incintos 98 Yes

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Holyfuckingshit how did you guys get Tobey McGuire!?

[@DarkHighlander1993]

It's Over 9000 Productions nah thats Sal..

[@p.a.stewart5446]

Thanks for doing Convergence. It was so confusing when I was reading the series. Not that the Back Issues version wasn't any less confusing, but it was way more entertaining. BTW checked publications dates. Convergence #0 was April 2015 and Rebirth began in June 2016. Yup Ethan was right, that bar was set pretty darned low.

[@jok86er]

if there is an earth that has a Superwoman does that mean that there is a Wonder man and a Batwoman?

[@Oussorystowe20924]

Omar Rivas Bustinza there is actually a universe like that.

[@rohanqadir2650]

Wonderous Man, Earth 11

[@jok86er]

Rohan Qadir wonderous man???

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Aye, sir. They can't very well call him "Wonder Man" for...reasons.

[@rohanqadir2650]

Indeed, Sir.

[@soulxsurvivor]

The Titans Tie-In is really good. Gives a happy ending to Post-Crisis Roy Harper/Red Arrow.

[@langleymneely]

My god, I heard Convergence was terrible but I seriously had no clue just HOW bad! You guys reviewing Convergence was the first couple of videos I started watching regularly! At the time I was endlessly entertained by you guys talking about how useless the Convergence event was, but DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN its worse than you guys made it out to be! Wow! I thought you were exaggerating when you said this "EVENT" was useless! Amazing! I nearly peed myself when you mentioned "Telos, the BREAKOUT CHARACTER!" Lmao! This was so worth watching! Wow, just... wow...

[@freack3333]

This one is one of my favorite episodes. Just seeing Ethan and Ben's brains melt with all the nonsensical BS in this book. I always get a good chuckle out of it.

[@ianmckee4726]

Worlds' End, Sal, the destruction of Earth 2 happened in Worlds End. It was another weekly series that ran parallel to Futures End. Worlds was better than Futures, but lethal injection is better than Futures End.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Ian McKee yep worlds end was the one with earth 2 getting blown the hell up

[@ianmckee4726]

Tevya Smolka It was a real shame, I loved E2 under Robinson, but Taylor burned the whole world down. It might have been a good story, but I miss early E2.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Ian McKee believe me while personally i wasn't a fan E2 under Robinson i do understand why you liked that early E2 stories more then i did and i respect that

[@ianmckee4726]

Tevya Smolka Was there anything about that run in particular you didnt care for, or was the everyone young and no legacy that got you?

[@TevyaSmolka]

Ian McKee it was kinda both ways the one thing they got rid of legacy of the JSA for these young hip rejects but that's just my opinion

[@comixproviderftw_02]

"If he doesn't have a planet anymore, DAFUQ are his powers?!" - Ben, 2016

[@matiascarvalho9424]

Guys, thank you for this videos! Im a Marvel comic fan. I read a lot of Marvels stuff. But im really lost with DC since new 52. And I love when you cover this events that I cant read by myself because I get lost. Sorry for my english, im from Uruguay. This is one of my favourite youtube chanel and Im a huge fan of all of you! You are really nice people!

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Matias Carvalho Damn man I love DC, Image, Valiant, Dark Horse, & Marvel (basically I read almost every damn thing). You gotta open up your mind & completely forget about continuity, that is my best advice lmao!

[@matiascarvalho9424]

Martin Aguilar The problem is when I dont understand a story because there are things happening that i havent been reading.

[@TheFashionAssasin]

I love that to me, Ethan's "That doesn't make any goddamn sense!" has become the catchphrase i am waiting for each episode. LOL!

[@yaloolah42]

Excuse me.... but seeing the Justice League International and The Charlton Heroes getting a little love was worth a throw-away event in my book :)

[@TheTheDontae]

A Book that only makes sense if you just so happen to be reading earth two

[@georgesanchez4075]

WHOA--ETHAN GOT A HAIRCUT!?!?!? It looks nice. 👌👌👌

[@MrNewguy456]

oh man that scene where batman met batman was the biggest build up to nothing. I remember being so pissed when i read that.

[@spagredo]

Ethan's looking more and more like Toby Maguire

[@Patt0920]

I'm a simple man, I see ComicPop doing Convergence I like.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Damn it, I kinda liked this event. I haven't read Future's End, do it Sal!! Do it for the fewtah lmao. 🙃

[@accidentalmadness1708]

They did it

[@oatmat]

ALAN SCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@alanfloresayoroa1204]

What is up with all the Alan Scott comments, could somebody explain me?

[@spiderbatman97]

Is a joke that they made in one of the recents Weekly Pull.

[@adamisajoker]

Multiversity was a superior version of Convergence. If it is a part of the main canon I want them to connect Multiversity with Rebirth. You can have The Empty Hand be a duplicate of Dr. Manhattan who became corrupted like Mandrakk was.

[@adamisajoker]

@@TheWrestlingful The mystery has been gone for decades. There's always some new creator of the multiverse.

[@adamisajoker]

@@TheWrestlingful Also, he Dr. Manhattan didn't create the Multiverse, he just changed things when he got there.

[@ultimatedespairgamer6722]

@@TheWrestlingful I thought perpetua was the hand

[@Soul_May]

To contrast Convergence you should do Secret Wars, I remember they where happening at the same time.

[@romejanairo4926]

FUTCHA END~! ALAN SCOTT~! SPOOLGE~!

[@troyterry3226]

Secret Wars is sooooo much better

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Troy Terry yeah the new one is. The old one sucked ass.

[@Ib10.]

Martin The Collector, I mean the older one was basically a toy commercial

[@kingcrimson2643]

Despite Convergence being very confusing (even more so when you take rebirth into account.) I heard it had some great one shots.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Edward West-Summers it does all of the tie ins are fantastic

[@kingcrimson2643]

While I started getting comics when rebirth started, I actually wanted to get "Convergence: Speed Force" last year. it was the first time in 4 years that Wally West had been in a comic. I was really disappointed when I couldn't find it anywhere.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Edward West-Summers bummer that sucks sorry to hear that man

[@kingcrimson2643]

I'll just have to find it on amazon I guess. it's so weird how everywhere I went they had just about all the other tie ins EXCEPT the one I was looking for.

[@thommuseddard537]

Its in the dollar bin at my comic shop lol.

[@ShardSpyder]

Nice to see "That's a story . . . For another time" returns. For some reason I always find it funny when it comes up in Back Issues

[@CaptainMaakasu]

Glad I found this video before I did a stupid purchase xD Took a pause from comics after I was done with Snyder's New 52 run and some others. So I guess I'll just gonna jump into Rebirth now ^^

[@HollyTellingStories]

Only Comic Pop could make Convergence entertaining. Great episode!

[@pikapal91]

So they land on a planet named Telos? Did they run into any frozen Cybermen?

[@TrackMaster844]

While the main story sucks, the side stories actually have decent sendoffs to pre-flashpoint characters. Roy Harper gets he daughter Lian back, Green Arrow works with his son Connor Hawke, Dick Grayson marries Barbara Gordon, and of course, the reemergence of Post-crisis Superman and his family.

[@thewilhelmscream7912]

So now the universes don't get punched by superboy prime, which means I have no clue why Jason Todd came back to life!!!?!!!

[@tylerbruso25]

Thank for doing this book, even with all the reservations you had. It's really enjoyable to listen to you guys talk about it

[@ineptgamer3814]

HAHA Another excellent episode, guys..! Thanks for all the time & effort that goes into this show..!!

[@BigToshiro90210]

Ethan got a haircut! Looks nice bro!

[@Nimrodcanada]

Cub's win the world series, Trump gets elect as Us president and now we're getting a Back Issues on Convergence despite Sal saying it will never happen? 2016 has indeed been a very strange year.

[@flywheelshyster]

ah with winter coming early [here is GA we don't get Autumn anymore :-( ] this just reminded me how sleek that comicPOP hoodie looks. And I get paid tomorrow, to the tee public store batman!

[@Helidokter1]

The only reason I kept reading this shitshow was because it was basically all about earth 2.

[@MichaelGiulianoMPL]

I'm waiting for the day when we have Earth-Prime Superboy show up and be like "Nah, I still remember the events of the crises and Sinestro Corps War- this is all bullcrap." It'll never happen, but it'd be perfect!

[@rayvenkman2087]

I’d rather he’d be put down by someone like a rabid dog.

[@PTBIC]

Quick story time when I was first getting back into comics after taking a break I jumped in on convergence read the first 3 issues and then quit comics as a whole again for a year cause of how bad it was! Also great episode had to rewatch for a laugh

[@rulerwatchman]

How comic book events are sold the last 10 years or so. "It's a love letter to..." Also they set up that the characters changed the ending of Crisis on inifinite Earths, but never show HOW they did it. They changed the biggest story in comic book history as an aside. A "see also". THAT was the worst part of the book. I could except the rest of the story as being bad, but this made it the worst.

[@zion831]

This story was hard to sit through. Took some pausing and coming back for a few hours to finish it. You guys make bad stories palatable with your humor and natural charm. This story sucks. Thank for doing Batman Venom though. I had never heard of that book and it was cool. I am looking for a fancy copy of Batman Venom to put on my shelves. I will also look for a copy of Convergence to burn.

[@YawnBlue]

The main book was eh, but some of the tie-ins were nice and fanservicey. Convergence: Titans for example, gave poor Roy Harper something to be happy about.

[@kryptoknightmk1]

They really looked at Countdown: Arena and said lets do more of this, but even more convoluted.

[@davantebarbain3216]

their pieces of dying universes and I think the point was to set up new 52 superman death and let pre 52 superman take his place and also earth 2 society and dick Grayson was a police officer but to my point also set up rebirth

[@TevyaSmolka]

The tie-ins for Convergence are awesome

[@kellerprime853]

World's End was the Earth 2 weekly series Future's End was the Earth 1 weekly series!

[@Hypnotico89]

Yeah convergence sucked. It marked the end of New 52. Thank goodness New 52 is done and DC got their act together

[@odinkiller727]

But wait. By the time the action COIE actually begins there like only a half dozen universes left. Unless they stopped the Anti Monitor from waking up and killing the Monitor there’s barely any multiverse left. No Prime or Alexander Luthor in the paradise dimension means no infinite crisis. And no Flash running away from death for 25 years means they couldn’t damage Darkseid by tricking death into attacking him during Final Crisis. Also Also no AntiMonitor means Sinestro has no Guardian equivalent during the Sinestro Corps War. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Did the writers even think about what they were doing

[@Redem10]

Take a shot at each tim they say brainiac

[@RayOnRoundball]

Ethan's haircut! I've admittedly been tuned out of Comic Pop for awhile, but after the Animated Series Pitch with Jaiwinn, the Marvel and FF fan cast, and Marvel Zombies, I'm back on board! A weird request, but could you guys do a DC fancast? Like and relay what your design for the DCU would be? In spite of the half-hazard attempt by Warner Bro's and Zack Snyder though lol

[@NERDParadoxHD]

i remember reading this thinking what the hell is going on. it had cool parts but doesn't make up for all the stupid parts .but i definitely enjoyed watching you guys talk about it thank you

[@jabezcreed]

The interstellar/interdimensional space raft is a surprisingly convenient device in these massive comic events.

[@1337snake888]

I loved the Question tie in, it was cool to see the version of Renee Montoya we actually cared about again

[@1337snake888]

lol she's back to being the pre-flashpoint Renee Montoya who became the Question

[@AkiDave]

I think there's this system on KZbin that we're you can advertise the book 📚 on top of the name of the video so you don't have to link it on the description

[@insanity66]

I think Ethan about had an aneurysm on this one

[@FearTheLivingDFG]

Dis gonna be good.

[@flywheelshyster]

All is well this night

[@Sicod79]

The Crisis brought to you by DC moving their offices.

[@jeffstike3195]

I enjoyed the tie ins. I wish they would of did at least 6-10 issues of the tie ins. But also told the story through the tie ins.

[@hengodi524]

I never expected this episode to happen, but it was hilarious.... thank you guys for that!!

[@mustfaaboassd]

cool Sal get Geff johns to be in back issue *looking at Ethan*

[@BobSmith-ej4he]

The Atom tie-in for this was awesome! Deathstroke had baby hands!!

[@MrDotious]

Yes......

[@graysonred2641]

Worlds end?

[@comicpop]

+DoctorMeatball No they don't.

[@graysonred2641]

ComicPOP 🤔🤔 well if you say so 🤗

[@kennyryuken]

Trying to remember, the only books I read and enjoyed from convergence was Superman- because it was a great story Thats still paying off now. Swamp Thing- because hes a great character and it was a throwback to classic Swamp Thing Story's and Kelly Jones art. Blue Beetle- because I like the Charlton comics characters. Booster gold- because its weirdly kindve required reading for the event if you pay attention...man having it all connect to the Ongoing earth 2 universe was a strange idea

[@grfgtbhh34]

Hey remember when team four star still hadn't done the broly movie so they started the hashtag #wenbroly? Well... #wenfuturesend?

[@brandonwillis9267]

Oh snap!!! Ethan with the fresh cut!!!!

[@resioil1]

"Yeah, well, Telos doesn't understand Brainiac's brilliant scheme" Lol that line killed me

[@ThePandaSupreme]

Earth 2 new 52 is actually a good series but this convergence event just was a horrible footnote in them trying to get another earth for there universe

[@mariogomez8146]

i enjoyed the swamp thing convergence story. swamp thing fighting the red rain vampire batman, very entertaining.

[@Spyder7223]

ok so I haven't even seen the episode, but as soon as I saw the title I legit said, "oh my god, why would he do that!?" I hope this is better than the event itself!

[@FloorTankMain]

I remember being so excited for Convergence....... what a disappointment it was :'( Only great thing to come out of it was pre Flashpoint Supes and Lois coming back!!

[@adamisajoker]

Do a discussion about Hypercrisis.

[@Herosmurf]

You know what sucks, is that now Convergence is cemented as being important as it's what brought back Pre-Flashpoint Superman and has the birth of his son, Jonathan Kent. And now ith him being the main Superman again that will always be there.

[@austinreed7343]

And later crossovers never acknowledge Convergence again.

[@rodstackzdaking8853]

Wouldn't the "real" forms of the superheroes be the earth 0 forms of the new 52, because of flashpoint. Flashpoint turned the old DC universe into the new 52. If I'm right then the current superman should not exist because he's not from an alternate version of earth but an alternate timeline. This shit makes no sense.

[@flywheelshyster]

I've come from the Darkseid War episode for the Trilogy of Terror[ible]! Convergence, Darkseid War, and Future's End in descending order of horribly entertaining because they're terribly bad

[@ariadaniel6351]

I’ve seen this video 3 times since it originally went up and this story gives me a headache, I read it and thought “oh back issues will help me understand this dumbass story” I’m more confused than before

[@miken.1705]

Convergence is very bad but undoing Coie just kept the larger multiverse infinite crise recreated the local multiverse think galaxy and solar system

[@ThatKevinBravo]

The only time I enjoy a Scott Lobdell book was the blue beetle tie in that he wrote...besides that....well

[@ricardorios2355]

Kevin Bravo His current Red Hood book is amazing

[@ThatKevinBravo]

Ricardo Rios Oh yea! I forgot

[@shadow6743]

Can you do a back issues on Deadpool the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly? Convergence left a bad taste in my mouth and this story is actually good. Also If any viewer wants to read one Deadpool story this is the one to read.

[@Andrew93752]

When you do the shitty books I feel like it makes some of the best Back Issues. Keep it up guys, thanks for the entertainment 😉

[@KennethKralyJr]

Just did get my copy of the trade paperback of Convergence in the mail today from Ebay. I think you Sal and the guys summed up perfectly worst DC Crisis event ever.

[@rorschach221]

At least the Captain Marvel two-parter from this was good... the main series is completely batshit insane though, it's true

[@johnmobley9369]

26:55 LMFAO

[@yoda4833]

Is it wrong that I still wanna read this? Even though it has A LOT of problems?

[@LordLOC]

Just started watching, but I can't wait to see Sal's head explode as he's explaining this comic run to us. :)

[@halsmarties]

Earth 2 wasn't destroy in Earth 2 Worlds End? Not sure Future Ends has a play in this. Maye I'm wrong there though

[@TheSidewaystm]

halsmarties it was sadly Darkseid made it the new apokolips in worlds end. As for futures end I didn't see much of a tie in except for brainiac but no where do they reference Tim drake from new 52 futures end etc

[@halsmarties]

TheSidewaystm As I thought :)

[@paulmccreery7027]

def one of the funniest episodes so far😂

[@daveyritchey2825]

excuse me but I believe the correct pronunciation is "futcha"