The Worst Map Pool Ever

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[@noneedforid]

Why do you have toilet paper on your drawers?

[@spideypng]

uh oh

[@MuhammadAli-rs7oo]

uhh reasons

[@KommandantAegis]

not the vaseline as well 💀

[@wraethcs2]

man of culture

[@sfzndo]

CAUGHT

[@ZachAscend]

I didn’t enjoy Overpass on this game but Dust 2 is definitely a downgrade. I would much rather have seen Train come back. I’m hoping that the Inferno changes end up being positive and that it’ll become a more prominent map.

[@larry2281]

The game as a whole is a downgrade so having them replace Overpass With Dust II isn’t surprising.

[@O_79]

@@larry2281 nt 👎

[@larry2281]

@@O_79 Valve stans defending this game like no tomorrow is always funny. The game is a downgrade. It's the worst state CS has ever been in and its 2024. Don't know why games nowadays can't ever be released in a finished state instead of beta and we will work on it over the years.

[@riley2492]

​@larry2281 not even close to the worst state. Not by a long shot. Most of the games problems are from technical issues like crashes and a bad map pool etc. Underneath its 95% csgo. How is that worse than 2012 csgo

[@larry2281]

@@riley2492 Lol the game in its current state is way worse than what 2012 CSGO was. Issues they had then you still get in this 2024 waste of a game. Just delete the shit and give us back csgo

[@felipejundi]

Where's train? Cobble? Cache????

[@mustie_]

fmpone is remaking cache for cs2 and said it'll likely finish in 2025

[@bgbd182]

train for cs2 has also been revealed to be in the works, i believe

[@ceoherohub2584]

@@bgbd182we want cobble AND WE WANT IT NOW

[@neighborlysine9188]

@@bgbd182 train is complete and playable in certain faceit hubs

[@andresraya6754]

Cobbleeee

[@eurasianlynx5188]

I've seen a lot of people justifying the switch by saying that D2 deserves to be in the pool because it's the most played map, but I don't think that's a great way to judge how good a map is. CS gets more fun when you know how to play a map. People have had 20+ years on Dust to learn what angles they like to hold, what strats they like to run, and all the little tricks they can pull to spice up a round. That just starts a virtuous cycle, where people only play the maps they know, while knowing so much because they're the only maps they play. Ancient's a good example, where people have had time to learn how to have fun on the map, causing more and more people to like playing it as time goes on. Only 7 maps get that opportunity, so it hurts to see a slot wasted on D2.

[@jamescater66]

Next Major in China => Chinese like dust 2 => add dust 2 => more cash for Valve => simples

[@ItsCooper]

Why is it so in vogue to call the current cs2 map pool the worst in cs history? Did people forget about the pool with prodigy, aztec and fire? Or even the early cpls that had dust, millitia, italy etc.

[@josethomaz1]

It's because is CS2, people love to hate on the game. It's trendy.

[@eebowenn]

Yeah, 20+ years ago. I thought we would've figured out a map pool that makes at least some sense by now. Overpass had the most tactical depth of any map and they've just removed it. Ugh dude, Inferno, Vertigo and Dust2 are such terrible maps.

[@olsaaan]

How can we forget something we weren't there for? Also like eebowenn said the game is 20+ years old this level of incompetence shouldn't be acceptable

[@trollface9903]

As if a +d2 change can be a bad map pool change. Best map of all time.

[@s4mmylk]

the game wasnt taken nearly as seriously back then so i dont think it makes sense to bring that up.

[@stayhome4626]

Why did they do that rework on Overpass then just remove it. I expected them to remove either Vertigo , or temporarily inferno till they make it more playable

[@tolland4433]

It's really refreshing to hear someone else discuss the differences in ways that the maps play when it comes to active pool rotations. I've always thought that valve's decision making isn't the absolute worst when it comes to adding maps in, but is terrible because they always seem to remove maps that shouldn't be, and they don't seem to have any understanding of keeping the map pool similar overall i.e. similar number of puggy maps, similar number of strategic maps. Swapping a map for one that plays completely differently and more like other ones in the pool is just so wrong.

[@larry2281]

CS2 continues to be disappointing. Bringing back Dust II again when no one asked for the map. Least the map is the most optimized.

[@gosh5557]

Hi larry

[@larry2281]

@@gosh5557 hey dude

[@HaasTheFirst]

Completely agree. -vertigo +train instead and we would have had the best pool ever.

[@LimitBreakerID]

"they do not put respect on the pro scene, they only care about casuals" I have always thought the opposite of this, if pros find bugs, they instantly fix it. If crashes happen in a pro game, then they are taken care of really fast. while casual players want better anti cheat which they never got

[@nooobiechild]

I'm okay with Dust 2. It's a timeless classic. But they should've removed Ancient and Vertigo. The perfect map pool should be Anubis (T-sided), Train (CT-sided), Inferno (Balanced, classic decider), Cache (Balanced), Mirage (Aim_map), Nuke (CT-sided), Dust 2 (Slightly T-sided).

[@Alinhox]

I do agree with the fact that this is the worst map pool ever. Since I started in 2019, I was already 20 years behind everyone else on D2 experience! Feels like that's a gap that is really hard to close

[@AndrewJanusson]

The last two exciting/interesting things I've seen in CS2 is Twistzzz baiting the smoke blowing up on Overpass and Dev1ce IGL'ing Astralis and actually doing some team, old Astralis-esque, executes with utility.

[@Danielbxt]

there should be a pro-play and casual map pool , so both sides are happy.removing overpass for dust 2 is such a bad choice for casuals and pro play.dust 2 is dreadful to play with randoms and boring to watch on a professional level.

[@theodorebagwell420]

They gotta be cooking up some other changes like -vertigo +train or -inferno +cache

[@DeaD1te]

we need cache or train back, after having been worked on

[@tavistaite8592]

I love how cache got completely reworked only to never show up in the competitive map pool.

[@user-vp6ov1oj2l]

i used to love every map in the map pool even if i wasnt the best at overpass its definitely an important map

[@zooMbasta]

Dust was removed because it was overplayed and shallow in replay-ability, and then for some reason a map that is so incredibly nuanced like Overpass; a map that in 10 years has found a way to *still* not be stale is removed. Dust replacing Overpass just accentuates what already massive issues Dust had, because it’s removing a map that had exceeded in it’s weaknesses.

[@s4mmylk]

A thing that really bugged me was that there was no justification for this change. When they removed cache they at least told us why, but this was just plopped onto the community without a real justification for it. My personal theory (which is purely a gut feeling) is that out of all the collections, the overpass collection is the least profitable one, so to incentivize souvenir buying, valve put the collection that has a good skin (ak gold arabesque for those that dont remember).

[@olsaaan]

That french comment was out of pocket XD

[@Ivanmckt]

train cache season when

[@volify_]

might not end up watching all of them but the topics and titles are hitting. you’re finding your place in the algorithm, keep it up bro.

[@BlueBirdgg]

That's how a video produced before night with the boys look like?

[@Taziod]

WE NEED NEW MAPS NOT DUST 2 AGAIN C'MON

[@lapa8474]

i want to see tuscan in the official map pool and - ancient -dust 2 +train / cobblestone then +zoo, +insertion 2, +militia for casuals

[@leventasanoski4110]

Whatsup with the lotion and the paper? XD

[@lfa9329]

I would have loved to see Vertigo leave instead of Overpass for Dust 2.

[@mote790]

I believe d2 open skyboxes maybe give some interesting strats

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

Dust2 is cuz chinese major and they want something familiar for the crossfire and other cs knockoffs that have been popular in asia. It gives them something familiar to watch and gain viewer numbers for the major. Its a money move

[@kivori3438]

Hear me out. Overpass, mirage, cobble, cache, nuke, ancient, anubis

[@vincecs]

My Overpass!!!😭 (I also like Vertigo tho :P)

[@leaveacomment]

Wouldn't it be in Valves interest to have more maps in the pool, especially with the next major finals as BO5s?

[@iamthad1546]

dust 2🤢 no train🤢 french pepo🤢

[@s4mmylk]

I unironically would have prefered train over this

[@bixcs2]

I'm so with you man jesus fuck why dust 2. the map i so goddamn boring. Literally nobody wanted dust 2 back (other than neokcs). Everybody I've seen wanted train, cobble or cache. Personally i want a new map entirely. I'd honestly be up for a bigger switch up than a singular map being swapped. Drop this dust 2 bullshit for something like Thera or Train (as long as it isn't 3 lane i'm fine.) then drop Vert for cobble or tuscan, drop mirage for cache and boom you've got pugginess and tactical masterpieces. Inferno's rework could be enough but we'll see.

[@lukeX2m]

i believe it was not a Dust 2 over cache and train. Its more probable that the maps are just not ready yet.

[@smellymewi]

I am not a fan of having 2 puggy style maps in the map pool. I rather have them remove Mirage to replace Dust 2 but god damn.....

[@HellOzzzGaming]

Overpass made up for some of the most boring games to watch considering how often it was just ct sided stomps, think it honestly helps the pro scene that it gets removed since it isn't played alot casually and casuals wouldn't wanna watch games on a map they don't play themselves.

[@HotBeeFF21]

By far the worst map pool in the history of counter strike. Mirage d2 and vertigo in the pool is criminal

[@HaasTheFirst]

Valve has this "WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT???" changes every now and then. Spunj often said the same as you, like why isn't there a person at valve bringing in the Esport perspective and arguing from that point of view. Now my question: we got a huge and awesome talent pool. Has anyone ever just applied at valve with a pitch like that? Sometimes they move in mysterious ways, maybe they would consider to hire someone for that? Just a thought.

[@Lindeni]

83% winrate on Vertigo... Gotta love the map... But on a serious note, Dust2 got probably switched for some map going out because it's the only one available and it's crazy popular in China (where the next major is obviously). There's just no other reason to put it back over Overpass. Genuinely don't think Overpass should be in the map pool but neither should Dust2.

[@Mazer19944]

I like dust 2 honestly

[@darebrained]

I mean I prefer this over the map pool before d2 was removed in 2022.

[@rowangilbert1098]

Valid opinions but imo as a viewer of pro cs i LOVE d2 and seeing it back in the map pool is GREAT regardless of what map they removed

[@edwinzinkniko9190]

IMO i think if it werent for these changes on inferno i think i would top 1 on inferno to be the map to get kicked out from the map pool and also cause of the round economy in which it hasbent been fixed yet which makes it a bad map to play in and also a bit claustrophobic ngl and mirage to get out only cause you cant create new stuff in it and ancient i would let it stay where it is only cause no one has been complaining about it in general but i ve heard ppl saying that vertigo is a bad map, for some reason but i can agree that even though i hate playing on overpass its still a master piece of a map although its kinda a one sided map but yh with all that said i think valve should ve first in this update put the updates on each map that needed and fix some bugs and then on some other update when the time was right to do an active map pool change only when cache, or train, or cobble are ready

[@warlordmerv8958]

Drip is insane

[@xkarpx]

dust over overpass any day still

[@vokuhila6913]

remove vertigo please 😢

[@jaxxgotit643]

Where tf is italy in the map pool?

[@dan2562]

Screw Train and Cobblestone. Cache is cool

[@gogoasaa9606]

man bring train back

[@guilhermemadureira5885]

glad overpass is out, but I would prefer even tuscan to dust II, not only for competitive play, but d2 its so unfun cause mid always has some huge tagging problems + too much spawn heavy strats

[@own186]

We'll have to see how it plays,because cloud9 were the greatest superteam and navi were at max t2 team and it didnt play out like that so we will see.

[@michalmatulewicz]

I agree with elige, osee and community. THIS IS THE WORST MAP POOL SO FAR. Why do we have mirage, dust and ancient at the same time jesus christ. I hope dust2 stays only untill china major or something since they probably added it becouse china is crazy about this map lol

[@edwinzinkniko9190]

and like if Valve sees the hate comments and decide to change the map pool back where it was (removing dust2 and putting overpass back) its gonna create a very bad mark on them and probably a lot of ppl are just gonna stop playing this game

[@rafaelcarvalho6222]

Dust 2 S2

[@tomerator]

I hate overpass, and would much rather play dust 2 so it works for me

[@AndrewJanusson]

AGREED

[@chanceherbst5388]

Hate overpass

[@OliverFriberg]

Casuals are not even that into d2 anymore, I know I never liked it and towards the end of csgo I saw queue times for the map went up a lot. Casuals playing Mirage or Inferno now from my experience. D2 is and have been for a very long time a very boring map

[@Nelex5000]

valve doesn't care.

[@WIllTheMackem]

I can't take anyone seriously who says this is the worst map pool ever when CSGO had that utter dogshit version of Cobblestone and a RANDOMIZER FOR THE THIRD MAP IN A MAJOR

[@pol44r]

Every inferno game is BORING and SIMILAR

[@jaxxgotit643]

Mirage a better version of d2? Never

[@penguinobeano3002]

but they made it fucking quick swap

[@NumNumSD]

remove inf and add back cache, also all my homies hate d2

[@C3bby]

I'm with you on pretty much all points, but please stop bashing Valve... They might not care enough but they still fund majors, give the pros stickers in game, attended the last major etc.

[@b3afy505]

HANDS UP IF YOU LIKE VERTIGO 🙌🙌

[@skr0p]

vertigo enjoyer here 🖐🖐🖐🖐

[@mendeeamlegend]

why are you shitting on aim heavy map? bad at aiming? okay

[@FlyingSpring]

lol, pro scene is not watching itself, they play. I am a casual player form which valve harvest the money and IMO overpass to dust 2 is OK change :)

[@FlyingSpring]

so pros are "suffering" for my entertainment (:

[@binbang21gaming16]

Take your meds bud

[@TheOfficialEmirati]

why do you give a fuck about competitive map pool, play dust2 & vertigo in casual mode.

[@O_79]

dust 2 > overpass

[@RobCooper-Bachatador]

Why do people keep mentioning Train, its not a CS2 map yet Besides, that it is actually the most inept map strategically that often just comes down to a series of choke point 1 v 1s to open up angles so it can begin to be strategic.

[@jacksuss8459]

Honestly I think it is based that dust 2 is back and they removed overpass. I really hate overpass. I think them changing it shows that we will see train and cache soon but they have shown that they are willing to change it. Also overpass is so boring to watch the pros play I am so glad that I won't have to watch it when teams I want to watch are playing

[@suntzu6122]

CS has the worst map health of any FPS game I have ever played in my entire life. Not even close, either. This game, as it relates to : NEW MAPS being released at an even remotely reasonable rate. MAP QUALITY of maps in the pool. Most maps arent even 4/10 maps. # of '10/10' quality maps (literally only nuke is a perfect map) Is essentially 0/10 for map health. And if they only biffed map health, maybe. But they screw everything up. My high dollar knife looks like shxt in CS2. Theres much much more peekers advantage depending on latency variance. And all this without even mentioning the hacker in every game problem. This game is a wreck. I genuinely havent had fun playing CS2 once. Nor have I ever felt a drive to play it.. I have like 12,000 Hrs in CSGO and maybe 100 in CS2.

[@kaloyandimitrov6531]

i find your opinion wildly wrong, a game is not made for 0,1% of players which are the pro`s, clearly valve want to move away from heavy ct sided maps considering last maps that were added there is an argument to be made that ancinet is T sided anubis is heavily T sided, removing the most CT sided map makes sense. Dust 2 is puggy map that displays the raw mechanics which is more enjoyable ot watch than astralis meta 50 smokes into the the bomb site which was IMHO. especially hearing your opinion on boros`s aim i consider that you havent even played at a decent personal level as most of your takes are highly questionable now you should start moaning about cheaters and its GG. Pros are pros and they will moan no matter what, casual player bring the revenue not the pros

[@richardzheng231]

Hated overpass, glad it is out

[@kcabriol5643]

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