The WORST Marvel event ever! | Ultimatum

[@comicpop]

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[@akymsims]

I remember the Ultimate Universe being advertised as "What if: Marvel Comics existed in real life"...then they slowly gave up

[@comicpop]

Yeah they dropped that like a hot potato.

[@thatHARVguy]

Latchcomb!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5Sad39vhrtkmNU

[@thesuperiorhobgoblin9048]

@@ytsi7505 no because 616 Logan was dead when they would have been able to meet but old man Logan met him in his secret wars tie in.

[@smith9747]

Bendis once said that a crossover between the 616-Universe and the Ultimate one would only happen if they run out of ideas. Well, Marvel, that says a lot.

[@spiderbatman97]

+Jimmy Changa In all his fairness it took like almost 13 years to get until that point, althought i never was a fan of the line. The Ultimate doesn't exist anymore thought.

[@smith9747]

spiderbatman97 true. It lost it´s magic as fast as it came. btw love your name

[@spiderbatman97]

***** The Ultimates and Ultimate X-Men didn't grab me, the first one feel like one of those storys that said "Hey Superheroes can be asholes" i had seen that concept before and better done, the second one seems more like an excuse to have a lot of gore and violence that they problably wouldn't be capable of do in 616 universe. Ultimate FF has some good story arc but they didn't grab me either (besides Greg Land art ugh...). Ultimate Spiderman was definetly the best one of the bunch but i am not interested in see Peter Parker teenage years again. Overall it has some quality stories but it never manage to pull me in. Ps: Thanks, i made this acount when i had like 12, but now i'm to lazy to change it.

[@smith9747]

I totally agree with your point about 'superheroes as assholes'. That´s a typical thing that Mark Millar likes to do

[@spiderbatman97]

***** Ironically i think that he understand Superman better than many writers. He told some great storys with him, i recomend his stuff related with comic of the 90s cartoon

[@angrybrony]

you forgot to talk about how quicksilver was boning his sister in the ultimate universe...what the actual hell.

[@rosesske2551]

The weirder part about it is how easily the ultimates (minus Captain America) brush it off.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

I do love the "I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS"-version of Captain America.

[@robertdetres747]

Wasn't wolverine who was their dad watched them bone

[@goodguybrian9764]

​@@robertdetres747yeah he did from a bush

[@bobjuniorman5352]

"Gross & weird & dumb" - Basically sums up Ultimatum

[@Sinistralitee]

also the majority of ultimate x-men really.

[@tunacanjerry8693]

I literally searched up this storyline to have a in-depth reason on why blob eats wasp only to hear that it was for no apparent reason.

[@alexiadieben4059]

Hah

[@rebornkusabi7264]

I know your comment is four years old, but after Spider-Man: No Way Home, I've been on a massive Ultimate Marvel binge after re-reading all of Ultimate Spider-Man, Peter Parker (I read them in high school and a little bit into college), and there is NO reason The Blob is a cannibal. When the blob is introduced into Ultimate X-Men, he's a fucking regular ass mutant and while evil, he had a daughter with a human woman (the Ultimate universe's version of Firestar, Liz Allen, who was Pete's romance in Spider-Man Homecoming). But for some reason after Jeph Loeb took over the Ultimates book, The Blob became a monster mash character who was a cannibal, with zero justification why.

[@Sinistralitee]

@@rebornkusabi7264 what's with Ultimate Marvel's Obsession with Cannibalism? even the fucking Hulk is a cannibal and then Giant man who is a massive wife abusing prick in this world also Bit the blob's head after the blob ate his wife, like wtf?

[@Rawker420]

I guess Dare Devil didn't see that coming.

[@comicpop]

snaredrum

[@comiclove5]

Rawker420 I laughed way to hard at that.

[@r.babylon2885]

I never understood how Nightcrawler could possibly have gotten killed in the flood. He He could just teleport into the sky above everything. Or at the very least, he could teleport home.

[@comicpop]

Makes no sense.

[@r.babylon2885]

TV Little House Comics I thought if it had been done with some tweaks, it would work great as an end to the comics. Like, if Marvel went bankrupt and had to cease printing. On that note, do you happen to know why Spiderman has both Gwen and MJ now in Marvel Ultimate and for that matter, why they're a goth and a hipster?

[@r.babylon2885]

Charlie Wenger Yes.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

TV Little House Comics Well just watched this first discussion. And subbed,

[@comicpop]

It's Over 9000 Productions Thanks man!

[@KWHere2]

Maybe they wanted to make us sympathize with the ultimatum survivors by making ultimatum a true disaster of a comic. That way whenever the characters are like "Ultimatum was the single worst thing to ever happen" us readers at home can be like "yup."

[@Iceteague1]

The event that killed many readers of the ultimate universe.

[@olivershires957]

So today I was standing at an ATM behind someone who didn't know how to use it and all I could thing was "This isn't so bad, Quicksilver must be a bitch"

[@AceOfPhanatic]

Oliver Shires yeah but he feels that every second of everyday

[@leonardfabian8942]

No super speed no opinions.

[@Robbinson98]

01:57 housecleaning is too nice of an adjective Sal. This is an eradication of the ultimate universe

[@ONmedz]

The way they started Ultimate Spider-Man again after Ultimatium was just ridicuolous. I didn't feel like I was reading the same series at all until quite a few chapters later. It was so random.

[@comicpop]

With the Amazing Friends and everything? In retrospect, it was pretty random.

[@NarutoStorm3Rocks]

@Super JLK It went from a 15-16 yo teenager, against the odds and pretty much everyone in that universe (1610 peter had seen some shit man and proven himself again and again...) to a Marvel Adventures (remember that?) type of deal where they acted and looked like 13 year olds and it felt like all the development of the cast was taken away in an instant... And God that art sucked...

[@rebornkusabi7264]

Re-reading Ultimate Spider-Man, BMB basically ignores Ultimatum beyond anything that messes with continuity (like, thanks to Magneto, all mutants now being "kill on sight", so Kitty Pryde has to use a secret identity when she interacts with Peter).

[@gavinstott9963]

This is dark as crap Dr strange gets his head blown up Wasp is eaten Ant man gets blown up And a majority of the heroes die

[@rosesske2551]

Gavin 2003 This event had a lot needless death. You wanna up the seriousness of the situation by killing a few big characters fine. But don’t do it every issue. It gets old fast and it’s needless.

[@Dreigonix]

The moral of the story is: if your writer’s son just died, DO NOT MAKE HIM WRITE.

[@peadardonnchadh]

That panel of magneto vaporizing wolverine? Total ripoff of watchmen

[@comicpop]

I would agree if I thought Loeb read Watchmen.

[@tannerhudson3382]

This book just seems to be saying fuck you.You like Daredevil, well fuck you.You like most of the x-men, well fuck you.You like Doctor Strange, well fuck you.

[@GankMo]

Another awesome episode sirs! I remember paying actual human dollars for each individual issue of this and knowing I should have stopped when I saw Blob eating Wasp. I don't think I've read anything Ultimate since, except for Miles Morales Spider-man (for Pichelli's art) I still laugh that Loeb had the balls to dedicate it to Bendis, Bagley and Quesada at the end of the last issue too.

[@comicpop]

I sure paid those same dollars, myself! Ugh, I did not notice the dedication page, either. There should be a support group.

[@matthewpopow6647]

EVERY ON KNOWS THE GL OATH "In darkest day, in brightest night, watermelon, cantalope, yada yada... as supersticious and cowardly lot, with liberty and justice for all."

[@bryanadkins6776]

"If it's good, people will read it". *Cries in Yost's Scarlet Spider*

[@MagicalTourtoise]

My question is, how dafuq did Sal make that neck-snapping noise? It's awesome and kinda horrible...

[@comicpop]

Huge fan of cartoons and sound effects as a kid, taught myself. Used to freak out my parents.

[@joshbowman9481]

+ComicPOP! Sal, Tutorial, Soon, Please

[@alexsanchez4289]

Janet: I still see something in him Spider-man: What you see a rematch

[@jonathanm1641]

Ultimatum was one hell of a shitshow. Nightcrawler drowning was the best part of it all.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Wow. 10 years. This was my first episode. It's hard to believe I've followed anything this long.

[@Beelzabussy]

Do you think the bad writing from Loeb in this story is due to his decline in writing after his son died? Since Hush was so good and everything since then has been heading downhill. Also, how are they gonna kill my man, Daredevil off-screen?

[@comicpop]

I think it's just a lack of heart in the work, yeah. I think he really needs to believe in the project or the character to make it amazing.

[@MChedderbeef]

The Ultimate Spider-Man tie-in was pretty good. Peter stayed on ground level just helping civilians. The writing really shows how big of a mental toll all this is taking on him. After all, he's a kid.

[@LouDawgStudios]

He almost said dr dre when he was talking about dr strange i laughed so hard for some reason

[@nailin18]

This book killed the Ultimate Universe, it wasn't anything else it was this book, the Ultimate line was going through a rough patch at the time but it could have recovered from it, but this book was what gave it the deadly strike after it the Ultimate line agonized for years more before succumbing, it just never recovered from Ultimatum, this was an unforgivable mistake.

[@tjjordan4207]

I love how these guys point out the biggest problem with this comic, and it's right on its front paper. WHAT'S THE ULTIMATUM?!?!?!

[@BforceFilms]

This book... I've been waiting for this and you guys delivered. Thank you.

[@comicpop]

No problem!

[@aidan-m]

+ComicPOP please do the death of Spider-Man!!

[@thermscissorpunch1787]

Ben became my favorite character quite quickly into this video because of his attempt at the Green Lantern oath. LOL. I think I've watched almost every video this weekend hahaha..... awww is my life sad? Nah!

[@comicpop]

+Travis Gray Thanks Travis!

[@ultimatewall-crawler5292]

These back issues videos are great. I always enjoy watching and re-watching them.

[@supaflycomix]

That picture of Valkyrie Ben is EVERYTHING

[@pikapal91]

I never understood how Magneto blasted Wolverine to his bones with the repulsor and Cyclops' visor blasts. They're both concussive blasts.

[@conservaduck7298]

Tony Stark Friction

[@ThatKevinBravo]

Great Show! I been in the comic world since I was a kid, but sometimes I miss some comics and this show is just perfect! Great work! By the way I hope you get a Back Issues of Blackest Night or Death of the family

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Can someone explain why my heart sank?

[@StarForgers]

@@starhound9354 oof

[@SoloTabletop]

Really entertaining episode! Keep it up - I'm actually looking forward for each thursday for a new one!

[@comicpop]

Thanks!

[@richardgrayson5727]

Ben the green lantern oath is"in brightest day and blackest night no evil shall escape my sight let those who worship evils might beware my power GREEN LANTERNS LIGHT" I know all the oaths from green to black

[@MisterMere]

Love the show guys, keep up the awesome work. I'd love to see you guys tackle something like Final Crisis. Mostly because I have no idea what the fuck happened in that book and I love your commentary. Cheers!

[@comicpop]

I'd love to do that, too. If for no other reason than to make sense of it, myself. Grant Morrison is the Riddle of the Sphinx

[@niallreid7664]

I strongly disagree that the Ultimate universe was a waste and didn't work. I really enjoyed it up until Ultimatum.

[@GavinCaprioLOLZ]

Yeah I got really confused

[@tjjordan4207]

The Ultimate Universe is good, but for me what ultimately really worked for me was the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. Everyone can say what they want against Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Fantastic Four and the Ultimates, but Ultimate Spider-Man was just amazing. Better than the original, but that's just my opinion.

[@NarutoStorm3Rocks]

@@tjjordan4207 this is definitely it chief the fist bendis ultimate spider-man run is amazing

[@terskatti4994]

Ultimated was way bettwr than overhyped ultkmate spider-man. Appendix can't write a good comic even if he really wanted to.

[@megamike15]

wasp just can't catch a break. reminds me of when hulk either ripped her wings off or snapped her in two i can't remember which.

[@mickeyveach3612]

I like watching these older episodes and seeing all the comics on the shelf that were new at the time. Almost nostalgic.

[@TheRealJameson505]

Can't believe this was episode 13. We are getting close to it in ultimate Spider-Man back issues! So fun 🎉

[@bumblebee123410]

This was the very first back issues I've seen and I was hooked Now I've been watching you guys for a year :)

[@jonathangetachew1522]

patricio caceres Now What Like 3 Years

[@JordanFromJersey]

Wasn't it eventually revealed that Pete and Wanda were Logan's kids in the Ult-U? I was just reading something about that the other day, but I'd never heard it before. Anyway, fun episode guys. Have you considered doing an episode of one of DC's many crises? I'm more of a Marvel guy, so I'd get to feel like Ben and Ethan for an episode about those books.

[@comicpop]

If it was, it was long after I quit reading those titles ;) We'll definitely need to do a Crisis. I was thinking maybe Infinite Crisis... We'll see, though.

[@comicpop]

danegustafun There you go. I stopped reading after Ultimatum.

[@Ethiokarate1]

In darkest grey, in blackest white

[@LukeDodge916]

I love this episode of Back Issues. Ben and Ethan's reactions are fascinating... I've just got into the Ultimate universe so I'm just on The Ultimates, but I'm looking forward to this book, even with Sal's two thumbs down.

[@MabinogiChristianJ]

34:41-35:20 This is exactly why the New 52 was (and is) such a mess. :/

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

I cried so many times when I read this book.

[@JoshMunroe]

The best part of Ultimatum is that it meant this video could happen. Ultimatum happened so Sal could cite a legitimately amazing comic (X-Factor #87) set in a different universe about a better Quicksilver.

[@FatSnorlax]

35:34 is awkward with the release of the new movie. Especially Ben’s, “because he’s not popular” XD

[@hectordubon3487]

I remember reading this comic years ago, and I HATED it

[@chrisc1719]

I have never really read any of the Ultimate line of Marvel comics. It would be great if you could do more of these! Thanks and keep up the great work.

[@LP-lj9ig]

I miss the Ultimate universe. Ultimate Spider-Man was amazing in its entirety, Ultimates 1 & 2 was great, and Mark Millar's runs on Ultimate X-Men and Ultimate Fantastic Four were also very good. Ultimate Galactus by Warren ellis is very underrated too.

[@trebot9292266]

I'd imagine that as quick silver the only thing you could do that would be any entertainment would be reading stuff. Listening to music would be unenjoyable like watching a show. words on a page would be able to move as quick as you want them.

[@blabablu9293]

This episode deserves a redux 😂 i was 15 when this comic dropped, deep in my Ultimate Marvel era and remember how utterly let down I was by this book.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

ah my first back issues episode. nostalgia.

[@Kiwivurse]

Listening to this after Avengers 2 is really cool b/c of how much the death of quicksilver is paralleled in both. That's really cool that they kinda paid homage to this in the movie.

[@forgingviews3401]

Kiwivurse No they definitely did not take his death from this terrible awful piece of trash nor should anything be taken from this garbage they have more sense then that

[@Woopywomp]

I love reading the old comic titles in the back

[@Blannibal311]

I'm sorry but to this day I still stand by Sam Raimi's Spider-Man films, except for three but that wasn't his fault at all. Raimi admitted that he was never the comic book guy and that it was his brother, who did the majority of the writing for the films, and that he wanted to make Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and not just go completely based off of the comics and honestly the first two worked and they were meant to be campy in a way.

[@pop000690]

Yeah I agree 100%. Although Sam Raimi has stated he enjoys comics including Spiderman but you are correct that his brother was more of a comic guy. Fun fact I believe Sam Raimi read Ultimate Spiderman and liked it so much that he took influence from it for the first Spiderman film.

[@Godzillafan-mj5mz]

I love the Raimi Spider-Man movies, even Spider-Man 3. In my opinion, I think that they are some of the best super hero movies ever and are better than the other Spider-Man movies.

[@WeggyVlogs]

I really could use Sal doing some Ultimate X-Men, not next it's good but his expressions would be priceless as he reveals story points.

[@TheWazzoGames]

Ultimate X-Men wasn’t really that crazy other than things like Jean Grey initially hooking up with wolverine before she dated Scott, oh and the late retcon by Robert Kirkman that Professor X had loved Jean Grey…

[@davantebarbain3216]

lol thor sacrificed himself in oder to have,cap and valkirye come back to life and madrox was killed by magneto

[@sethbennedetti753]

Ben's indignation is amazing in this episode.

[@benhramiak8781]

Put the video on. 25 speed, that's what it's like to be quicksilver

[@flywheelshyster]

thought maybe I would read the whole run of Ultimate X-Men, got a few volumes in and such. its not super awful, its just bad and cringy in a lot of spots. I think i'm just not a fan of Mark Millar, I really tried to love ultimate xmen I even looked up and found it was one of the highest selling comics of its time....HOW...WHY... jeebus mary and joseph it ain't that good I just don't get it. I know you said Millar's Ultimates is celebrated but damn i hope its better than his Xmen

[@amazingspidermew]

It’s a long shot, but I’d love to see coverage of Ultimate Origins sometime in the future! Either that and/or the Ultimate Galactus storyline 😅😂

[@quex213]

Ultimatum was just the biggest catastrophe of my favourite series at the time . Just ruined it all for me I remember being mad for a month

[@moeman813]

Quick Silver is hilarious during Mark Miller's run

[@nicktroisi6347]

One thing I hate. Yeah ONE OF there’s more than one. Is Magneto killing Professor X. The real Magneto would never do that, nit even as a last resort. He’s like a brother to him, one that can never agree with but always respect and care about. It’s very out of character and not cool at all, it’s just sick and twisted

[@THE_Dodge_Morningstar]

Yeah, you're right. It was pretty messed up. In fact, most of his actions in the story were ridiculous. I guess you can say that for everyone involved though.

[@woodeniron9999]

As always: Genuine stuff. Keep it up guys.

[@cisnerd_2093]

I finally read Ultimatum this morning. I'd seen this episode of Back Issues before, so my expectations were set low. Despite low expectations, I was still floored by how bad it was. It wasn't just the fact that the art was gratuitous in every way imaginable, but the story didn't make any fucking sense. Every other page was just a new setting of context-less violence. None of the characters acted like actual people.

[@WhatIsItAboutThem]

Can we get an ultimatum redux? I'd love to hear more about the bts history

[@Linklex7]

Get off the Spider-Man crying bit. Spider-Man 3 was the only movie where he cried too much. He never cries in part 2, and in part 1 his uncle died. You're allowed to cry when your uncle dies.

[@mavibaso]

13:23 how ironic compared to the mcu..

[@THE_Dodge_Morningstar]

Wow... The Silver Surfer run with Dawn Greenwood was like a decade ago? I really feel old.

[@crimsonking440]

Honestly my take on this event was that marvels editorial team thought that the 1610 was becoming too much like the original(even though it wasnt but let's be honest its marvel editorial staff we're talking about) and thought "oh man if we kill a whole bunch of big name characters from the main universe the ultimate universe will be SO TOTES DIFFERENT"(Yes I think of their editorial team as teenagers who dont know what the fuck their talking about). Then that killed their sales because EVERYONE ANYONE CARED ABOUT WAS DEAD BESIDES SPIDERMAN.

[@kurtoogle4576]

I hated Ultimatum almost as much as I hated DC's Identity Crisis. Ultimates had devolved into utter garbage already, but IC had straight-up character abuse.

[@99jmaster]

I'm re watching the old episodes of back issues and it reminded me you guys were in New Jersey and I wanted to know why people make jokes about Jersey all the time

[@dillongraham2475]

There’s a villain now in miles morales spider-man called ultimatum he’s the other miles morales from spider-men 2 and he’s got the ultimate green goblin in tow

[@robertt9342]

Oh, it's explicable., Ron Perelman.

[@hamperedmotive5414]

How does Tiffany feel about ultimate dr strange's death?

[@comicpop]

If you can imagine, she's not a fan.

[@PlayForLOLs]

Great episode again guys! I suggested Ultimatum last time, so I thought I'd suggest something that wasn't garbage. So would you guys do the Batman Knightfall Trilogy? I'm almost finished reading it now and its such a great build up, and Bane is awesome (nobody writes him as well as his is in this), and I surprisingly like Jean-Paul as Batman. (Very 90's esc but acts as a what if Batman didn't hold back)

[@comicpop]

That's a good idea. We've been meaning to do Knightfall for awhile, actually! The only issue is Funnybooks only has Vol. 2 and 3, but not 1, so I'd need to bring in my old copies of Batman so they could see the gaps filled in.

[@PlayForLOLs]

Yeah Vol 1 is a must. If you really needed to get it, you could try Amazon, thats where I got mine from and each volume is under $20.

[@comicpop]

PlayForLOLs Funnybooks just ordered it ;) We've got it in the store right now. Deciding whether we should do it tonight or wait til next week...

[@michellekovacs5213]

you guys should do ultimates requiem(hard to find any online comic to see if it's worth buying but it sounds really intresting especially since i heard they found peter in the rubble somewhere)

[@gingergrant1057]

Will you guys ever do DC's "Justice" series? I thought it was pretty cool.

[@Werferharfer]

He will understand and I'm in a Back Issues marathon

[@alejandrogonzalez00]

19:14 I love this choice 😂😅

[@marquisnicholas6172]

This made me a little sad

[@haldenfraley4503]

Spider-Island would be an entertaining recap. It's a pretty great story, but there are a lot of plot elements that are dependent on past events from multiple series, so it would be a real task explaining it to someone.

[@comicpop]

I'm always game for more Spider-Man. That's kind of my wheelhouse ;)

[@infamousempire8302]

Why did the “over there” line remind me of Linkara?

[@randomweirdo6712]

Even Marvel understands that "over there" has to take care of itself xD

[@akap]

Doc Strange deserves better.

[@IamMedellinInc]

I like the back issues on bad stories better than the ones on good books Please do Marvel AXIS Shadowland Ultimates 3 DC Convergeance Rise of the 3rd Army Countdown

[@e-heromanny4348]

what was wrong with third army?

[@michellekovacs5213]

you should also do the children of tommor book for the ultimate comics as well

[@tonyjohnson5669]

the ultimatum run of the comic book crossover was most definitely the most polarizing run in the ultimate universe and to some the end of it. However the massive superhero death tole significantly changed the ultimate universe from just a copy of earth 616 with edgier characters and a new backstory , to a completely new feeling universe with many of the well known and loved Old Guard characters dead and gone. This void then had to be filled in by many new or unpopular characters. It was most definitely a boon to creativity. This to me is the legacy of ultimatum. It was a crossover that truly shook up a universe and left many deep voids that had to be filled by other characters.

[@r.babylon2885]

Black Panther is Captain America in disguise in the Ultimate Universe.

[@JadedTheatre]

Hera or Hela? Hela is the goddess of the dead in Norse mythology.

[@dwightgreene1361]

How did cyclops and ironman vaporize wolverine cyclops could have easily closed his eyes and ironmans repulsars are concussive they arent lethal also i understand magneto maniplulating the armor but how the hell did he activate the repulsars with magnetism?

[@JohnDavidGamez]

It say like this door ma moo

[@dav2one]

In brightest day, in blackest night no evil shall escape my sight. Let those who worship beware my power Green Lantern's light !

[@joshpecker4352]

I Remember reading this and hating it

[@dennisssmith430]

I've always wondered, have you guys ever had a comic writer respond to your criticisms? I'd be VERY curious what they'd say lol

[@comicpop]

+Dennis S Smith Have a look at the comments in our Zero Year episode...

[@dennisssmith430]

+ComicPOP Scott FRICKIN Snyder???? DAYUM!!!!