The Worst Move in Guilty Gear Strive

[@SinGGST]

99% of Sin players stop before they hit the big buffs!

[@slippery_air]

NEEVA!!!

[@daintywall2005]

Omg it’s Sin Kiske from GGST

[@MikeRosadoGaming]

I Love this so much and I don't even play sin or strive. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Sin_Kiske]

Hey you seems... familiar

[@slippery_air]

@@Sin_Kiske sinception

[@n0vitski]

Still growing has two vital functions: 1. Disrespects the opponent 2. Increases luck

[@henredo4586]

When i was a new player and saw sin eating something i was scared it was like a buff move that would destroy me So in conclusion That move is just psychological warfare on noobs

[@n0vitski]

@@henredo4586 Wrong. It works even on players who know that it doesn't do anything. This move is literally magic.

[@notloopers1110]

Bro if i see some dude pull a roman cancel -> still growing combo on me im uninstalling

[@eser8167]

It's like petting Poogie in Monster Hunter

[@kassandra_sae4563]

Here's your 2% defense buff that lasts for 2 seconds.

[@teftl]

@kassandra_sae4563 No, it's useful. You will use still growing meaty (pun unintended), eat a ch combo, and it will decrease the damage of the 1st hit by 2%

[@teftl]

I say it's totally worth it

[@GamingChair420]

"Waiter! Waiter! More dogshit please!"

[@hmompoint]

Imagine spending 15 minutes just to be told that "still growing" is essentially a command taunt

[@baharezo]

no chipp's shuriken used to be aerial taunt, and it's still more useful than this.

[@BlobFGC]

​@@baharezoShuriken is actually useful though. It's the optimal wall break option if you want to give your opponent as little meter as possible.

[@jacqueley]

As a Sin main, I throw every game by eating on every hard knockdown, followed by saying “This game is coming up Kiske!”

[@Benito675]

The Ambulance:

[@DragonaxFilms]

I genuinely thought eating recharged his stamina meter faster like in Xrd, turns out I was just eating in time with the meter's auto recharge half the time. No wonder it felt inconsistent.

[@shinygrowlithe3882]

So me thinking it refreshed his stamina wasnt just a fever dream.

[@rigelseybert9406]

The real funny thing is they could probably rework it to do that, since they’ve reworked Stamina to have a much slower recharge with the Season 4 patch

[@DragonaxFilms]

@@rigelseybert9406 I was half expecting ArcSys to do that for Season 4, it seems like such an obvious change to make. It'd add some great depth to Sin's gameplay too.

[@teftl]

Fly like a tiger Hp of a fly, Missed an input Now I die

[@coomcharger6105]

Fly like an eagle Soar threw the sky PILE BUNKER Guess I'll die

[@emptymimic5976]

Doing a spreadsheet on the chance that you get 3 specific rolls of rng for one special move that nobody uses and then submitting that for a class assignment is the sign of a true Guilty Gear player. Also, based fellow Testament enjoyer

[@Sparkleonitsthursdayinnit]

I keep thinking Im weird for being a testament main but apparantly we are kind of common!

[@emptymimic5976]

@@Sparkleonitsthursdayinnit Goths together strong!

[@waffle1261]

Recently picked up Testament and she is insanely fun. It’s just too bad that the game doesn’t give her (as) much to work with 😓

[@emptymimic5976]

@waffle1261 Weirdly enough, I personally think it's made up for by virtue of the fact that *their* teleport is so varied in its application, plus *their* normals're pretty damn sick

[@Qrangg]

as a non testament player, it is very enjoyable to bully him

[@konoegiatanez3754]

Its funny how Still Growing went from being a way to recover Stamina to just being functionally useless. Kinda wild they kept it at all since its main function was made passive.

[@reilly5005]

I think it’s insane how they made sin a cool, fun, and good character while also giving him the two uncontested worst moves in the game in Still Growing and j.D

[@leqeque7383]

Tbh he was bot1 on release, he went to the top just with two kinda minor (turned to be major) buffs to his mechanics He still hinges in an unknown territory "very good while trash"

[@NimhNom]

Woah woah woah, at least j.D has some niche use cases T_T

[@reilly5005]

@@NimhNom Debatable

[@vonflare4709]

huh? i see good sin players use jd all the time in corner combos.

[@myass1547]

J.D is goated bro nobody expects a round start j.D (i get blown up immediately)

[@Brass319]

14:59 noooooo not the other arm too

[@bossguydude]

ACTUALLY There is one use for eat. if a dp character blocks Sin's 2h they get a free dp punish because you cant make it gapless without meter, and the push back isnt enough to make you safe... UNLESS you cancel into eat which leaves you spaced out just enough to get a full punish-- SPECIFICALLY on Ky because his DP is small.

[@beansiii7852]

Works on sol too

[@TheLastOfPies]

THIS IS SO WELL MADE WTF??? THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THE EDITING HAS IS INSANE

[@elidamonsterz4222]

ARMORED POTBUSTER BABBBBBYYYY POT TOP 1 BABBBBBYYYY AINT NOTHING BETTA THEN THIS BABBBBBYYYY

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

Don't worry, everyone. You can just jump! It'll counter it perfectly, I promise >:3

[@babytricep437]

Great! Now you can still suck, make even more mistakes than the opponent, and still land it!

[@Yuieatspaint]

@@elidamonsterz4222 in turn, you can't kara pot buster anymore LMAO

[@dudesayshi2191]

NO MORE KARA CANCELS FOR YOU :)

[@yata_yata]

No karas???

[@mattphyx]

Small correction: Faust got his item eat before Arcsys added the item icons. This meant that for a few months you had no idea what you just ate while near the corner or while some of your items were going off, like mini Faust or the bomb. The eat got added on August 2023, the icons in December 2023.

[@tylercafe1260]

The strange part of this is that it was only the Console Version for a while and PC players had to Mod it in.

[@mythicalsalmon3621]

Actually that Bedman? move it's useful and vital part of his gameplay. You can confuse your enemy a lot, especially experienced players that already know the duration for your error attacks.

[@krnprsd498]

I mean that’s not at all the main use of the move. Experienced players who know the timing of your errors can also see you reset the timer, I’m not sure who is getting confused by it. It’s useful for some combo timings if you have the conditioning to allow for 214K into throw or 2K, and more importantly, it’s used similarly to the Jack-O example to reduce lag and stay safe after certain normals.

[@strvmpet]

bro didnt watch the full video

[@Thinepickles]

No way guilty gear content

[@ricardoludwig4787]

never understood why they didn't just go the simpler route and make it just make his stamina recover faster for a little or be instantly refilled, which would tie in to the previous use of this move in Xrd, be easier to program, and oh yeah, ACTUALLY GET USED SOMETIMES(I could very easily see this becoming part of his optimal wallstick routes since it would let you be more risky with his stamina after the wallbreak)

[@cerdi_99]

fun fact: if u wallstick with a normal, it is actually optimal to eat and then super if u have meter. If u dont have meter, u can eat and 5P or cS depending on the range or just use 5[D] or 6H for the dmg

[@bomb4r719]

3:28 They named it that because it's similar to real life programming languages. Although I agree it is a funny name. "0x" is used to specify that a number is being written in hexadecimal. (Base 16 number system) The $ sign makes a bit less sense, since what $ does depends on the programming language of choice, but I like to think they're going on JavaScript where $ means "Identifier". That would mean that the number after $ points to something else in the program. If that is the case, it implies that the name of the move is just a command to retrieve data from a specific memory address. The value of 1.00 doesn't seem to hold any special meaning - the decimal point there seems especially odd if this is a memory address, but maybe that's the point - that it's a corrupted memory address? Hard to say. Hope you learned something interesting Edit: Just finished watching the video, damn, that was really well edited. Nice work

[@webbowser8834]

Close, I'm pretty sure that Bedman?'s special names are a reference to assembly function calls.

[@End-Nil]

My thing is that unlike Sin, Faust’s RNG actually has a use. You can actually use his items in a variety of ways(Well, most of them) even if you end up with “bad” ones, like being able to actively hit bombs with his scalpel or either increase the opponent’s hitbox or modify his bombs with the afro. Sin’s RNG is a minor stat increase or a heal, and that doesn’t do much for his archetype.

[@noelkurata]

FWIW, it really is worth cancelling into on a majority of wallsticks from normal, especially when you have 50 meter to wall break with tyrant barrel, buffered still growing into tyrant barrel is always guaranteed. And yes, it has a 40% chance to be essentially useless, a 20% chance to do like 1 single more damage on wall break since your combo is likely already way too scaled at that point, and a 40% chance to actually help you to a varying degree, but there's no reason to NOT go for it if you can squeeze tyrant barrel in anyways. Or alternatively, you can gamble for ice cream when you're around 45% tension and if you roll it you can then wall break with tyrant barrel and amplify your advantage even more (That exact scenario has happened to me dozens of times and it's the crack cocaine of playing Sin) Objectively the move is pretty awful and could totally use a buff of like, perhaps giving Sin a stamina with the buff at least, yes, but it has *A* consistent use that also has the added effect of psychologically damaging and pissing off your opponent, so I'm glad Sin has it nonetheless.

[@Okami_HD]

Whilst this is true, it typically not done at higher levels as risking your wall break by inputting tyrant a little late even once instantly out weighs the benefits of eating, its not the hardest thing in the world to do, but it just not worth going for at all. I only ever go for it for slump set ups and after I've already won the game.

[@scouttengu]

Idea on how to buff this move. Rework it so that it now works like a stackable buff mechanic. The item that Sin pulls out and eats is still random. However, whenever he pulls out meat for example, his damage is now buffed by, let’s say, 2% for the rest of the round. If sin were to pull out and eat another piece of meat, the buff would then become 4% and keep stacking on top of that until it caps at 12%. This stacking effect applies to the meat, fish, and lobster. The lizard and ice cream would mostly stay the same except their buff values would now be fixed instead of random. Also all of the buffs get reset at the start of the next round. This new mechanic would make it so that sin would become extremely scary if left alone and would also give sin players a reason to even use the move and think more about their gameplay besides “unga bunga beak driver elk hunt” But that’s just my thoughts on it.

[@bumibomber]

This wouldnt work in gg strive because everyone dies in 2 hits anyway, if anything i wish the useless ones just buffed a random special on eating for better pressure, oki, and or corner carry

[@youraveragesub]

basically a manual p4a junpei victory cry mechanic

[@xidjav1836]

This sounds great as it makes him into a level up character, But since everyone hits like a truck this doesn't matter much, if the damage gets reduced and tounds last lonher then this might see some use Though my idea was to make it play similar to how it did in XRD where it's your main way of getting stamina with the buff now have a set effectiveness and duration, stacking different ones eating the same food just resets that buffs timer. Basically get your knockdown eat your food and go back for more

[@webbowser8834]

Counterpoint: Just remove the levels entirely and standardize all foods at their level 5, max duration variants. Fixes the move's lack of readability while also giving the move a much needed buff. It's probably still not a good move, but it's not actively worthless like it is now.

[@koopakape]

the editing on this is so damn good, so many different moments i had to pause, rewatch and just bask in the incredible choices made, classy well-implemented references, etc. Even if I love stupid "for fun" moves so I disagree that this move (or Chipp's shuriken) is bad, this is still one of my favorite Strive videos now, thank you.

[@melbiamil5144]

4:42 "play the hero! Feel the die!"

[@Wss4ll]

Good video. As far as i can tell the move is in the game as an easter egg, reminding us what he use to to do in xdr. It doesn't make much sense tbh. You can use it in very specific situations, for example after a knockdown, when you are too far way to get oki, but that is very rare and the buffs are pretty useless as you said.

[@magicsnqil]

One minute in and I already can say the editing is fire 🔥 🔥

[@Mege92]

Bro I just wanted to comment that I absolutely loved the video, both informative, amazingly edited, and funny on top! Kudos!!

[@theonik2006]

Really it serves three purposes: 1. I basically acts like an extra taunt basically contributing on the mind games 2. Because you don't know what the effect is it enhances the mind games by basically acting like a placebo for both players 3. It's funny

[@ryanmurray7443]

I gotta say, the editing in this video is excellent; it keeps it engaging and funny while also presenting a lot of numbers in a very clear way.

[@hirowbp]

man the editing in this video is so good that I'm subscribing.

[@derpybreads2212]

"or maybe they'll just buff Johnny again" .....

[@juancamiloaldanacarrillo2393]

11:38 thats actually a pretty based move😂

[@webbowser8834]

"I don't know who Sin Kiske is, but good job!"

[@Zyckro]

Just wanted to drop a comment here for the algorithm. This video was fantastic! Great job with the editing.

[@twce5576]

I'd love to see more GGST content from you - the editing and presentation was spot on here and I also thought your jokes landed well. Consider making more videos like this, I'd watch every single one.

[@kingoftheclams2887]

Next update: Sin now has an eating disorder due to players criticising his eating habits

[@Longsword.]

I knew exactly what the video was going to be about, but i stayed and enjoyed the whole video simply because of the editing. thank you for explaining the other moves in such a fun way :)

[@portalscout]

This video was genuinely extremely well made, keep it up

[@Ferrari255GTO]

5:06 YOO THAT'S SICK! i never saw anyone do that! 😂

[@GohTheGreat]

Incredible, incredible, incredible editing.

[@GallarnHorde]

Shut it.. food is life, life is food. I will not take food slander.

[@masquerade7485]

I was about to say it's not in character for GG but in the XX series of games, Sol has a move named Dragon Install second. It's an improved version of Dragon Install which sounds sick af right? WRONG!! Dragon Install seconds input it 214214214214P+H. And it has SIXTY FIVE FRAMES of startup with NO invincibility. It is also not even listed in Sol's move list which is awesome Edit: I forgot to mention it also drains your health to 1 PIXEL. Much like blood rage

[@stingchamaleon31]

The way you edit is insane I love it

[@xidjav1836]

Best way they could buff it is by - Effectiveness and Duration always hit the highest roll -Fill up his stamina by a bar - fish reduce frame data on his attacks -reduce frame data -takes effect on tge last frame -different effects stack -add a hud element that tells what buff and duration he has Basically do your knowdown build your stamina & buffs and go back for more

[@gabrielfarias2786]

I play Sin and now you made me think a little more about using this move or not. I always knew the buffs were pretty weird, but I still think it's funny to use. I didn't think about setting up a meaty 6K after a HKD. Everyday learning something new lol. Also nice video editing! I really laughed hard with this video. Your editing and explanations are very good man! Good thing I found this channel. Have a nice day!

[@snackerfork]

Incredible editing! So entertaining and easy to follow

[@BlobFGC]

Shuriken is actually useful though. It's the optimal wall break option if you want to give your opponent as little meter as possible.

[@mp3_jpg]

I wonder how viable the move would be if it was ALWAYS a level 5 for 5s buff

[@jackcrowley2021]

Glad you had fun completing your probability and statistics assignment!

[@TheThingOfSomething]

Awesome video! Reminds me of AsumSaus's editing style. Keep it up!

[@aicemake1273]

coming from the pokemon channel and idk guess I didn't pay enough attention to the channel name but u also doing fighting games makes so much sense

[@greatpapyrus6264]

damn!!! your editing is top notch. subscribed

[@SevenVT12]

Oh boy, a 15 minute video on a character I have never and will never play, on a move I have never seen used! Time to watch

[@koraxacollins9645]

14:48 funny you mention that...

[@Kolective3]

An absolutely fantastic video, thank you

[@dudemaister18]

Thank you for the in-depth vid, 55 new Johnny buffs have been tactically launched as thanks

[@GoodGirlLuna3]

Counterpoint, Sin eating is very cute

[@Brazzens]

Very enjoyable edits, good vid

[@spikespeigle]

I love having a move that can tilt the type of people who make these videos so easily. Especially when you have them scared. Favorite mechanic.

[@kaneicosasrandom8630]

Chipp setting the rope: NOW I HAVE MORE COMBO ROUTES! Potemkin: High enough for a HPB.

[@Happy_Sailor639]

You say it's a worse move and has a bad reward, yet you got a good grade for that.

[@strvmpet]

give it a hurtbox and it's instantly the best funny move

[@anitabath8315]

Sin “skibidi rizzler” Kiske using still growing is just an opportunity to use slide head

[@Yuseigo]

If they'd just fix the frame data so you could use it in specific combos or counter hit situations then you could actually use 2 second meat and honestly they should just map the 5 buttons to different food so you can choose. The only reason the buffs are so useless is because right before sin came out they were having a nightmare trying to balance happy chaos and his buffs.

[@phoenixpies]

wow this is really well made, good shit lmao also if you actually submitted this as an assignment that's awesome lmao

[@Gamingfr364]

I feel like Still Growing is an anti mash input the devs put in to punish the player for being too silly

[@69starz]

Probably just a throwback to his xrd move, not expecting anyone to use them

[@Gensolink]

Honestly as someone that got bullied by Sin in Xrd and don't like GG that much in general I find it insane how much they ruined the whole food gimmick in strive. Like bruh

[@drungaodys5610]

Ggst ruining core mechanics and dumbing down iconic character gameplay? Nahhh

[@drungaodys5610]

@beamkatana no its drungaodys

[@4qua314]

Servant recall can be used to make block strings safe and hard callout dp, ie during a blockstring that has a gaps etc. Edit: Nvm i just watched the rest of the video, my bad king

[@yellowslotcar]

Bro, your editing is awesome!,😊

[@ryanhernandez8324]

7:48 does anyone know where this image of Asula Eminem comes from? I really want to download it

[@thatsnomoonIRL]

I made it myself! Here (I promise this isn't a virus): media.discordapp.net/attachments/579108834619031562/1299180474530271314/NEUTRAL2.png?ex=671c439a&is=671af21a&hm=5062e997503f3ed7d3b07f78d2ab13038cd8a063069c4376ca593b0d519113dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[@SireForseti]

tbh Chipp's shuriken is pretty good in the older games. like it's a meme attack but the slow shuriken's alright as a oki type deal, kinda like Dudley's rose

[@ToddSnap3]

Man it would be hilarious if it was a permanent buff. Still awful, but he becomes diet Q from 3rd strike

[@naoqueromais6510]

It’s a good thing that motion inputs allows games to have bigger command lists for these kinds of necessary moves 😂

[@UCDitto]

Imagine they just super buff this move, only level 4-5 buffs for 5-6 Seconds

[@webbowser8834]

Frankly they could just remove level 4 and 5 second options entirely and make all buffs level 5 with a 6 second duration and I'm pretty sure the move would only be "fine". It's difficult to overstate how risky it is to do nothing for 3/4ths of a second in this game.

[@nightleviathan8268]

Should work as Chin from KOF, a stackable buff.

[@jonatanp.1976]

“Something good happens after he eats it. His tummy becomes full of gud food.”

[@Jackrost01]

It's like they transfer move, but remove mechanic that Sin need before (starvation). They try to make it usefull somehow, while Sin is already a pressure monster. Maybe they afraid that it will be too much to give him any additional advantage

[@maymainssharedonebraincell6022]

the definition of a cosmetic special

[@bigbangslam4080]

Oh yeah... I need more videos from this channel

[@mikemac-man3796]

They could make this move guaranteed lv.5s with max duration and it still probably wouldn’t be used much. They definitely just threw on still growing for disrespect.

[@jordanguelbert7754]

Actually the average bed uses call 1$ a decent amount, but only as a free rc due to it being quick as hell and not giving up your error like the slightly slower 0.20$. Most notably its the only way to stay safe after a blocked 2h on leo as every other option is beat by leos massive flashkick

[@ShockedTaiLung]

I love this channel

[@pian-0g445]

There are multiple ways they could change this move to be more viable. One could be making the buffs occur in a certain order than loop. This makes it so you know what you’re getting. Another could be to take some things from DNF Duel. Make these buffs actually strong, and show an icon to show how long it is active (almost like Jam as well). Or, completely rework the eat to add to his meter, or make the recharge slightly quicker). And building on the first idea, once you’ve gone through them all, instead of looping, it does the ultimate buff which does everything

[@SidescrollerDef]

I don't even play Guilty Gear, and this video (and the move) are hilarious.

[@zephyrprime8]

This truly is Daisuke's vision.

[@user-jb1ic3fb4d]

This Sin knows what a rhythm tick is!

[@kofrugal98bernstein76]

Surely the sin player base will benefit from that excel spread sheet when they are choosing their options of what food buff they'll get.

[@oddyssi]

informational strive content Thats what im talkin about babyyyy

[@PlasmaLink64]

Might also be worth mentioning that this move is vestigial, as in Xrd, it was the only way to replenish stamina, which also drained from all of his special moves.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Bro i have legit never seen that Shuriken from Chip. 😂 I didn't even know he had that

[@coomcharger6105]

In accent core, it was literally just tied to taunting in the air.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

@coomcharger6105 Oh that's what it is! I was wondering where was this but then again none of my friends played Chipp. We all need a bit more health! 🤣

[@piynkone]

i think its worth mentioning that you can also roll completely useless buffs, like ice cream at max tension or lizard at max health, putting you in a near-second long recovery for literally 0 gain

[@flipperjr.3822]

can't believe they gave chipp a worse version of jack-o's normal j.D

[@jonathantene944]

Doing any special move in GGST builds you meter, so if you wallstick with a normal then eating gives you free meter you wouldn't otherwise have access to. This is also why sol players do gunflame feint on wallstick, zato players btl, baiken players whiff parry, etc etc. Even if eat literally had 0 effect other than the meter, I think zato 6k and heavy mob are both worse moves (zato 6k is the only move in the game that actively makes a character worse). Even if you say I'm biased and ignore those 2, chipp shuriken is arguably worse because of the (admittedly niche) meter application on wallstick.

[@thatsnomoonIRL]

Hi Jonathan, I actually watch your videos! I appreciate the comment. You’re a much better player than me obviously and I actually agree with what you said. However, out of all the worst moves in the game, Still Growing is the most interesting and absurd one IMO, so I made a vid about it. I actually had HMC in the script but cut it due to time, but I didn’t know about Zato 6K making him worse. Thank you for sharing!

[@jonathantene944]

@@thatsnomoonIRL I mean eat definitely sucks lmao, it's also definitely the weirdest case of a bad move since it has so many different properties so it's for sure the most interesting. The reason I say zato 6k makes him worse is that beyond being useless, if you try to clap eddie drills and your opponent kills him while you're inputting it, you get 6k on whiff rather than 5k, which outweighs whatever tiny benefits having 6k gives him. Good video tho, don't mind me being all "um actually" in the comments

[@UltimateLink1]

Shuriken has one additional upside to it - it is bloody hilarious getting a KO with it and it's worth it for that alone

[@teomcnasty]

"Maybe theyll buff Johnny again" Ima hold your hand when i tell you this

[@lmChills]

Ok but 5:04 was genuinely so funny lmfaooo

[@ksfallenangel5770]

5:04 im convinced this is the only reason the dev's keep this move as is. just so you can do jank like this to be fun.

[@AnAngelineer]

Buffs should always be max duration and value at the very least, with RNG only affecting food type. ...I would even argue the buffs should be permanent. Only then might a Sin player consider renouncing an combo extension for one of those buffs.

[@vzm_underscore]

i think another important thing to mention on strive's incarnation of this move is that still growing was sin's MOST IMPORTANT move in xrd in that game, sin's exclusive meter allowed him to cancel his specials into specials like here, but every time it did it drained the Calorie Meter, which you could only fill by eating. if it drained fully, sin would get really hungry and he'd be punishable for 95 frames (second and a half), which meant he had to balance his Going Insane with taking the time to chew on some food. changing it like this completely twists his identity and im really confused as to why they even kept it additionally its funny that sin and aba both lost their punishments for draining their meter completely. though aba gets a chain shift from it, so

[@captainjumptoast]

I thought you said shurikan was bad, but flying like an eagle does 2,000 points of psychic damage. Also this video had astounding production value. Seriously an impressive job on this.