The Worst Pokémon Games (and why)

Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are the worst Pokemon games ever. Here's why.
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[@MandJTV]

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[@steventurner-i1g]

sadley i have that game😅

[@Mondelight3]

second

[@chocolover1998]

I can't have those earbuds ever single time ear plug or earbuds touches my ears they get covered with something we call in my country oorsmeer it's every time my ears are getting covered for no reason I wanted those earbuds but I can't their is no way to keep my ears clean

[@CruzNitchals]

Another thing wrong with the game is that the shiny pokemon are hard to find and capture. It takes a super long time just to have a chance to find one.

[@sambro6657]

Ok Michael Pokémon has become way two easy Gen 4 platinum excluded I am happy for the challenge of brilliant diamond and shining pearl unlike scarlet and violets blueberry elite four. The brilliant diamond and shining pearl elite four and Cynthia are far easier than the blueberry elite four. Shining pearl and brilliant diamond were terrible games but the elite four is not part of the terrible. Nintendo finally busting out a Herculean challenge like Cynthia in the original gen 4 I welcome with open arms but there is a bridge to far that they can reach and I would say the brilliant diamond and shining pearl elite four teeter just on the edge of that I am not a competitive battler I am not a pro gen 5 was my first gen I am still very green to Pokémon I fought this elite four saved before Cynthia I beat her on the second try I had a ton of fun planning for the fights with them and frankly hope that the elite four and champion are a solid challenge again in Pokémon and require a plan going in assuming it will be easy as pie is not fun and that’s frankly how scarlet and Violet felt and at least for me the elite four in alola the same I want a hard fight in Pokémon again but not as nuts as the blueberry elite four that is two far I say this cause I kept wiping to fairy specialist I used a lvl 100 team against her won with half my team still conscious the elite four in bp/sp I went in at 65/70 lost to Cynthia once had hard calls still had fun.

[@Bluebirdz2202]

This would actually be a really cool mini series on the channel where Mikey goes in depth about what he likes and doesn’t like about each main series games

[@brandonroy6981]

Agreed. That would be a fun and interesting series.

[@ElPikminMaster]

Yeah, I'd be down with that too.

[@leechlover049]

same

[@IAmMissingnoMaster]

Hail yeah, I'm down for this!

[@YacobRoad]

YES, I love angry mikey

[@mexxhan5981]

I remember people being so excited for Sinnoh remakes. And these two released and everybody's hopes were shattered. Edit: Reminder that a Furret walked for who knows how long just for these games to come out. It essentially wasted its life.

[@lulukomadori9651]

And it just crazy cause all the previous game not only improved but added more, why was it just an faithful full price games of an lesser version without any improvement from platinum

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

I remember the outrage to the game. Being part of the fandom was fun

[@nameless18782]

Yeah ORAS and HGSS were awesome remakes staying true to the original source and adding good improvements. BDSP was just disappointing and bad. If you wanna play sinnoh platinum is the definitive sinnoh experience in my opinion

[@fernoagent8581]

i never was big on wanting sinnoh remakes, i could take it or leave but seeing people want it so bad and seeing how bad the game was i feel bad for them

[@hojinjeong9316]

I wonder how they're gonna do a Black and White remake. Will they do a sequel (BW2) remake for the remake (BW) or combine both BW and BW2 into one huge remake game?

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

BDSP leaned too hard into the faithful remake title. It was painfully easy until the League where you will be destroyed at least once

[@yaboipktendo]

Its still such a weird choice that all of a sudden you're fighting against Competitive level Mons

[@IndigoTheKitsune]

hot take: HGSS are pretty much the same boat but people aren't willing to admit it

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

​@@IndigoTheKitsune Johto is one of my least favorite regions. The level curb is actually atrocious and the gyms severely lacking any Johto Pokemon is painful

[@yaboipktendo]

@@IndigoTheKitsune Its kinda true, but at least HGSS added content onto the Original instead of Removing Content to make room for the new and "improved" content (like the Underground) in BDSP

[@ChefMonke07]

​@@IndigoTheKitsune HGSS is easily the second worst Pokémon game ever made

[@EdwardPiazza-j3t]

They used the “faithful” excuse for bad game design then gave Cynthia’s garchomp swords dance which I checked by the way has never had swords dance at any point in any game ever

[@elmuchacho3379]

Technically, her garchomp has had swords dance in bw2’s pwt mode.

[@gunchar06]

Okay at this point you're just reaching bro, with that argument they would've practically needed to straight up just upscale the NDS versions cause any other change would be already not faithful enough anymore.

[@adamhurst1993]

You forgot to mention the fact that completing the regional dex rewards with the shiny charm, but the shiny charm does not effect wild encounters, JUST EGGS.

[@andrewhaberkorn1687]

That was by far the dumbest thing they have ever done ever in a Pokémon game still makes me furious thinking about it!

[@RobinHisgen]

Wait, for real? That's just BS

[@cantthinkofafuckingusernam7534]

WAIT WHAT?! What is the point of the shiny charm then? If you want a shiny from an egg you can use the masuda method on the first five minutes of the game

[@logangoetz4319]

IT DOES WHAT?!

[@andrewhaberkorn1687]

@@RobinHisgen yep completing the national dex is just a waste of your time in that game! Take it from someone who did it and didn’t realize until it was too late!

[@katiethefandomgirl4412]

As a game designer I wholeheartedly agree with you about the difficulty curve. I'm a game designer and let me just say, there's nothing wrong with having a difficult final boss (in this case, the elite four and Cynthia), BUT you NEED to build up to it and prepare your players for it with increasing levels of difficulty with each boss. If you have your player be able to steamroll the gym leaders, and then take the difficulty up to an 11 for the elite four and Cynthia, not only is that major whiplash for players not being prepared to face off against AI with competitive level of strategy, but with the AI being way too competitive it's just not going to be a fun time for any player. They seriously needed to fix the difficulty curve by either lowering the difficulty of the elite four and Cynthis or fix the gym leaders to be harder as you go on, or else do both since the player shouldn't suddenly have to face off against AI with competitive level movesets until like post game or something EDIT: Sweet Arkoos I started a war in the replies

[@darknesswave100]

There's been a couple games I've played where there's been difficulty spikes but there's something in the game that lets you grind reasonably which to me mitigated the crazy difficulty spike. Like a Dragon (or Yakuza 7) has a crazy difficulty spike towards the end of the game when you enter the final "dungeon" area in the Millennium Tower. However there are ways to level up quickly so once you know about it you can catch up. These games like you said get difficult out of nowhere and at that point there's no decent way to get on that same level in a reasonable amount of time. You might as well be going against a professional competitive player after going through the game not struggling at any point and the whiplash of that is insane

[@adammorin2955]

But thats saying you don’t have the entire map at the stage of the elite four. Knowing they are coming would make you wanna grind and get levels? Like it’s Pokemon and it’s obvious elite four better grind like theres no out of the blue.

[@brennenreynolds1701]

@@adammorin2955 There's a difference between having to grind out a few levels for your playthrough team to prepare for the league in other Pokemon games and having to grind to prepare for the BDSP league for the exact reasons Mikey mentioned. It takes a special kind of person to enjoy putting that much effort into doing so that I can safely say most people playing the game will not. I did the usual "Pre-League" grind plus a little extra because I'd heard that the league was supposedly going to be harder, but there was no real frame of reference before getting into the League and it made me genuinely hate the whole thing. It could just be a skill issue on my part, but considering this is one of the biggest complaints I have seen from multiple creators and dozens if not hundreds of others on social media and in review I'm inclined to think it's a genuine problem.

[@whowantstogame]

and the competitive difficulty CAN work (i.e. the blueberry league/e4 in the second part of the scarvi dlc), but only when it's BUILT UP TO. the bb league is (arguably) postgame. you're high enough level and have access to enough resources to properly take them on. bdsp had me grinding my weavile up to level 75-ish in an attempt to beat cynthia. i had a graveller (no golem, none of my friends bought bdsp) that i would have come in, explode, and then revive so it could explode again. very fun way to play the battles! 10/10!

[@adammorin2955]

@@brennenreynolds1701 thats literally saying to yourself oh its the elite four the end game maybe i should grind and prepare for it hard or not. You are self aware that the elite four is end game and gonna be challenging or not. You have the entire map to grind for anything or pick up anything. It’s a genuine problem cause no one saw it coming, and if they did or went through it why not adapt to it? Because no one wanted to. I literally beat the elite four and cynthia with a magikarp so its not that hard

[@kirby1781]

I feel so bad for the devs of this game. You can find the concept art and SEE they wanted more, the late game movesets show they wanted to make things more unique/challenging. They wanted things to be different. Then an unknown force pulled the rug from under them and made them be as faithful as possible to the point some people fear seeing their name. Their company's reputation is in the gutter for a large crowd for a reason outside of their control. It is sad. Edit - Yep, went through the comments a bit and I already saw at least 5 solely blaming ILCA. I don't think this was entirely what they wanted either, give them a break and don't put the blame fully on them.

[@Leonardo-cc6nh]

Yeah, they made good games like one piece odissey. We should blame gamefreak for this, i mean, they wanted the game made in less than a year

[@naganut9718]

Y'all need to stop acting like Gamefreak is trying to sabotage the game. Concept art doesn't mean much in the grand scheme. Hell ORAS have some amazing concept art yet the final doesn't look like the same level at all. It's just standard game development Also, Gamefreak literally gives them the code for DP. And stop mentioning One Piece Odyssey, that game have 5 years in development meanehile BDSP only have a year and a half due to Pokemon's strict schedule. They aren't comparible

[@hunterkinsella5303]

Why do so many people have a savior complex and think that no blame can be put on the devs. They definitely can be blamed. We’ve had other Pokémon games, hell, other Pokémon remakes made in the SAME amount of time. And they were amazing. HGSS are an example. So stop with the phony “victim” bias.

[@jjtails]

​@@naganut9718 ​@naganut9718 It was Gamefreak fault bc of the time they gave ilca plus DP remakes weren't going to be a thing until they saw how Long it would take them to work on Legends so they rush BDSP just to have a game out for the holidays

[@geovannicardenas4736]

Yeah, I hope ILCA dies and never touch pokemon again, Platinum and Sinnoh were My childhood and they did a horrible mess

[@RafaelaiceCream]

The game was such a disappointment, especially as a huge Sinnoh / Platinum fan.

[@GoRyder]

My biggest issue is how it flies in the face of how the remakes are made. RBY -> FRLG in the style of RSE GSC -> HGSS in the style of DPPt RSE -> ORAS in the style of XY Then we go years without a remake, then finally DPPt -> BDSP in this style off ????? what is this game? You would have thought MAAAYBE in the style of SM/USUM. Or maybe even in the style of SwSh by that point but instead with got...that thing?!

[@tama3162]

That's another thing, oh my god. Sinnoh would've looked so good remade in the Gen 8 graphics. Or even just the LGPE graphics. The art direction for BDSP is just so weird; like they wanted to preserve the DS era graphics but "upgrade" them to 3D, only to make them just look plastic-y and uncanny.

[@Razzberry_dollz]

Tbh I’d have loved the let’s go art style it’s like the prettiest switch pokemon game

[@Voltaros]

I have to say that i kinda like this style. And i am pretty sure that many also would love this style, if the games were good.

[@filiaaut]

@@Voltaros Yep, I don't have that many issues with the style (at least, in terms of pure graphics), the main problem it is how it affects gameplay (everything is on a grid, which is fine if your character moves on a grid, less so if it has free 2D movement), but previous remakes did not stop at upgrading the art style of the environment, they also implemented gameplay improvements and the like. The remakes did not only look like the current gen, they felt like they were part of it, BDSP doesn't really feel like they're part of anything it's sad.

[@loura246]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I was so excited by the possibility of getting to see the distortion world in gen 8 graphics, and we were so robbed

[@PinkNinjanerd]

20:35 - I'm a 2D artist and I can understand a little bit of what's wrong. For starters, yes, the models' colors and shading are way too bright. That's what's giving the "clay model" feel, but even clay models are better shaded that this. Another thing I'd like to note is that the characters themselves are too static. There's not enough life in their animations. That is what's giving you the lifeless feel of these models. In fact, Sword and Shield AND Scarlet and Violet didn't have this issue (although SWSH was still too bright in the daytime)

[@One_Run]

Ty for the answers. I was curious

[@darknesswave100]

The crazy part is in the older games they'd have the for example gym leaders move for a second at the start of the battle. Like lance making his cape go behind him in an almost aggressive way to show how strong he is. That gave him personality in just a 2 second movement. These games only have them move when they throw the pokeball which makes them look like they're png models that only had their hand and arm move. It just looks odd

[@theoaremevano3227]

Game designers sometimes seem to think a simple lighting placed on a 3D model will do all the work that goes into advanced 2D artwork all by itself, but a lot of games that really look good go out of their way to add more dramatic lighting and even coloring to add to the apparent depth and contouring. Ocarina of Time has some very dramatic lighting changes at certain points to really make certain scenes stand out, and Tales of Arise has highly visible tones of blue and orange to add a painting-like pop to its art style.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Still can't believe it sold more than pokemon Legend arceus, the true sinnoh sequel (technically prequel)

[@ivanzoneBR24]

The reason why this happened is because BDSP got the Black Friday + Christmas Upper Hand to boost its Sales and Legends Arceus released in dry month of January and not only that, It only had 1 month to breath, because all of its sales momentum were broken by the announcement of Scarlet and Violet. If PLA, swapped places with BDSP, It would have sold way way more

[@wildresin6292]

Pokemon la sucks cuz of that horrible art style with terrible shading

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

​@@ivanzoneBR24thanks for the context

[@Filipinescu]

​@wildresin6292 ok unc

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

​@@wildresin6292there were some glitches at the beginning, but the game's art style is objectively good

[@_MrMoney]

The movement being a mess is so true. You know they didn't even thought about how changing it from the originals would affect the game when you could literally skip Candice's gym puzzle by just walking forwards and clipping in between the tiles

[@marijncolen6226]

It also allows you to fully softlock yourself on accident

[@bouncyknight4017]

There was this one route in postgame with ledges and bike slopes, and one part where you have to walk a very narrow line with a ledge right below you, and for like an hour i kept accidentally falling off the ledge cause the movement in this game sucks so much

[@skylarrossspeedpaintstheory]

That Furret walked for nothing

[@quiteslayer4067]

😭😭😭

[@sourbluyt]

It’s sad

[@TysALT]

The*

[@L-ghtlessSky]

he walked for nothing..

[@MerkeligStrormride]

His walk was in vain...

[@JKJAT_YT]

Real, BDSP feels like a fever dream sometimes, like they improved on things in platinum and just went back for BDSP

[@screamingopossum7809]

No one asked for a Diamond and Pearl remake. We asked for a Platinum remake. The story is better, the distortion world on Switch had a chance to be trippy as hell like it was on the DS, and overall balance is just better. I don't hear anyone talking about the remakes for Gen 4 as opposed to Gen 2 with Heartgold and SoulSilver.

[@kelleymaxwell3875]

I like BDSP. Mainly for the underground. I can't stand Sun and Moon (no real gyms, the "villain" team, Sword and Shield and Scarlet and Violet because of the rivals. So annoying. I still play SP today. Different strokes for different folks. The thing I hate most of all: PAYING AN OUTRAGEOUS PRICE FOR AS GAME, AND THEN HAVING TO PAY FOR A DLC, THEN PAY FOR A MEMBERSHIP ONLINE........Pokemon is no longer for everyone, just those who can afford it.

[@orbracha25]

@@kelleymaxwell3875 You don't need the DLC though? I enjoyed SV a lot and never even touched the DLC. Think of it this way: you either get DLC or a third version, yeah? Well, DLC is notably cheaper, has more new content and lets you keep your team that you grew attached to. Not saying a third version is strictly worse, but DLC has its merits too

[@adammorin2955]

Actually everyone has asked for a faithful gen 4 game. No one specifically asked for platinum sooo.

[@adammorin2955]

@@screamingopossum7809 YES exactly no one talks about HGSS at all. They are literally the same just like oras but megas sprinkled in it.

[@sevvycat]

brilliant diamond was the first ever game that I preordered, and i’m grateful that it taught me the valuable lesson that you should never preorder games

[@caterpillarh8490]

I knew a guy who preordered fallout 76 💀

[@negligible_reality]

​@@caterpillarh8490 To be fair though, Fallout 76 got way better over time with updates being added to address the issues and criticisms from when the game launched. Not a great feeling to preorder a game and then needing to wait for updates to fix the thing you paid for, but not a total waste since it did actually improve. BDSP didn't improve since launch, and is still just as bad now as it was then.

[@KatarHero72]

The problem isn't the difficulty. People need to understand the SUPERMAN LEVEL LEAP in difficulty is the issue because it catches you off guard in the WORST way. People love Radical Red and Emerald Kaizo because they are difficult the WHOLE TIME. Same goes for the Orre games on the GameCube. This goes from the 2nd easiest game to the HARDEST BATTLES IN THE FRANCHISE.

[@Moleoflands]

Yes, if every gym had perfect IVs and items, I'm coming better prepared

[@KatarHero72]

@Moleoflands Exactly! People seem to have this odd thing where they mix up having a problem with difficulty and having a problem with a difficulty SPIKE

[@lyncario5515]

​@@MoleoflandsBut most gym leaders do have items on their pokemons and IVs and EVs that get progressively higher. Truth is, you're just bad at the game.

[@randomontheinternet5883]

It's even worse if you consider that one of the teams they roided up actually managed to give people grief in the original game. Giving it perfect ev/iv spreads and better move sets is just evil at that point if you haven't made the lead up significantly harder.

[@HolyAlondite]

@@lyncario5515 There's a difference between 'a somewhat helpful item on a couple pokemon and some EVS/IVS' to 'every pokemon has a competitive item/moveset/IV spread'

[@anawolf4ever]

He is right about the difficulty. I love easy games too, but I play difficult ones too. As a game designer, you have to pick a lane. It's absolutely frustrating to have an easy game that in the final boss gets absurdly difficult. That's lazy writing and design

[@WhirlyBeepBoops]

Yeah, this is what makes the difficulty sting as much as it does. It isn't a consistent incline. The league is a massive spike for no good reason - even people who like difficulty want it to at least be reasonably consistent.

[@Moleoflands]

​@WhirlyBeepBoops like literally not a single gym was as difficult as even the first elite four member

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

I think it's more of an issue with them having things you can't have at that point. Like the EV training and the IV breeding.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

My kid was about 10 when he played BDSP. He had zero issues with the game whatsoever until he hit Cynthia. The difficulty spike was so steep he got stomped into the dirt and ended in tears when we realized he was going to have to get new Pokémon for better type coverage and level grind. He spent a week doing that only to get beat into the dirt again. I ended up having to face Cynthia for him and won by the skin of my teeth, and I've been playing since Yellow. I have never had that kind of trouble in a Pokémon game before.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@Moleoflands I guess Maylene can be kinda tricky with her Big Root + Drain Punch Lucario, but that's it.

[@roberteemmons]

Never forget that Lance is never referred to as a "Dragon-Type Specialist", but as a "Dragon Trainer". He uses ALL Dragons; Charizard, Gyarados, and he would probably use Skeledirge due to its draconic resemblance. He however would not use a Dragon like Applin (Unless maybe he evolved it into Hydrapple), Tatsugiri, or Alolan Exceggutor.

[@leminator13]

He has used alolan exeggutor before

[@ignisofficialgaming]

The Sinnoh remakes we wanted: Platinum with the ORAS treatment and the DP version differences applied The Sinnoh remakes we got: BDSP

[@amoghsod2212]

But we also got legends arkoos

[@AndrewH1994]

@@amoghsod2212 Except that PLA isn't a gen 4 remake. It's an entirely different game that just happens to take place in historic Sinnoh.

[@amoghsod2212]

@@AndrewH1994 let's just give ourselves hopium that it is a platinum "remake"

[@Bravidunno]

ORAS treatment is leaving third version as post-game episode only and never add its new content in the main story

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@Bravidunno But while ALSO adding some interesting additions to the main story. Like, having Wally's character arc get an overhaul and having a coolass remix of his theme for his last battle.

[@MermaidNimna05]

Eevee fan here. When I first heard that BDSP was coming out, I immediately designed a team for my first playthrough. Leafeon was going to be a key player. Just like the gligar situation, I had to have someone who beat the game faster than me trade over an eevee. And the worst part? I already went through a solid chunk of the game thinking I hadn't found the right underground hideaway yet. There is NO indication eevee couldn't be found there, and no reason to leave it out! (Also I will never forgive BDSP turning both secret bases and pokemon contests so lame.)

[@theconsumerofpenguins81]

I get that eevee is like a mascot or whatever. But you’re upset that one of the pokemon you like isn’t available til postgame, when hundreds of other pokemon fall into that category in every game. It really doesn’t matter.

[@SnowLily06]

​@theconsumerofpenguins81 While you are mostly correct, most of the frustration comes from the fact that you can get Eevee before post game in platinum. Before bdsp came out, pokemon fans had no idea they would be worse versions of the originals and assumed they would at the very least have features introduced in platinum. There is 0 reason to ever play bdsp when platinum exists and has better features

[@kristophesiem5336]

And even under that logic, remakes tend to be better than the third versions of the originals. You have to be out of your damm mind to play Crystal over HGSS, for example. But BDSP not only are worse than Platinum, you can argue they are worse than the originals

[@averageanimefan519]

I loved the contests in Gen 4 and excelled in them. For the remake to only have one of the three competitions from the original is laughably bad. And it's not even the acting competition which is the best one.

[@IAmMissingnoMaster]

The Secret Bases are a disaster, true enough, and I do miss the old Contests, but I didn't hate the new Contests either. Actually kinda enjoyed tackling them with my old Wynaut.

[@drestonjclaw2839]

BDSP was really a “careful what you wish for!” genie type moment.

[@superherowolf2444]

Or a Doctor Strange type moment

[@Clevernamegoeshere]

the monkey’s paw curls

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

Literally Nadakhan from Ninjago.

[@regulusking4299]

@@IsleofPigsStudios”your wish is yours to keep”

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

​@@IsleofPigsStudiosI grew up with that show! Nice to see another fan!

[@uorimoon]

I still feel so bad for ILCA. They had drafted and planned out an ORAS level update, only to be told to "stay true" to the original to not outshine Legends: Arceus releasing in the next few months ect.

[@tearitup5864]

The sad part is that it wouldn’t outshine arceus because PLA plays way different and is set in another time period.

[@uorimoon]

@tearitup5864 oh for sure. But ig they looked at it from a profit standpoint and how much of a risk PLA was since it was a huge deviation from normal pkmn games. I do wish at minimum they gave bdsp platinum dex... it wouldve softened the blow.

[@naganut9718]

@@uorimoon do you have actual source saying this, or are you just assuming because of the concept art

[@UtopieKid]

I don't buy it. Considering the release version of BDSP was riddled with an insane amount of glitches I'm sure that ILCA just isn't that good of a developer. Besides, "stay true" can mean anything and it seems like ILCA interpreted it as "do a 1:1 remake".

[@TheTundraTerror]

ILCA took the job.

[@HandsomeSassage]

It baffles me that Pokémon, a turn based RPG, STILL does not have difficulty options. That way new players can play on Easy, casual players can play on Medium, and experienced players can play on Hard. But then again, they couldn’t even make a proper open world game in 2022. So maybe it’s not that surprising that they haven’t figured this out yet

[@jinho_sshi]

I mean, Black 2 and White 2 had “Challenge Mode”-but you had to beat the game first to unlock it I think. But I agree with you, having a difficulty option would be a nice change of pace. I shouldn’t clear a new Pokemon game in a week, even when playing casually.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Open World games are much harder than we give them credit. They are very resource intensive so maybe it's best to leave behind the open world formula and go more linear with branching paths

[@BigRedAltoids]

I think it’s even more shocking considering how Pokemon appeals to so many people of so many different age demographics. There’s kids without don’t have much experience with video games, teens who have tons of time to burn getting skilled at a game, and adults who are seasoned gamers but lack the time to complete insanely difficult challenges. If there was a difficulty option, those three could play on easy, hard, and medium/regular respectively and still get massive enjoyment out of the game.

[@bouncyknight4017]

​@@jinho_sshi actually challenge mode wasnt even coded properly. The bosses got extra pokemon and they were higher level, but their stats were the exact same as normal mode, so technically challenge mode was even easier cause your fighting pokemon at the nornal mode stats, but due to higher levels you are leveling up faster than on normal mode

[@millicentdagworth6858]

As someone who's introduction to Pokemon was Diamond and Pearl, I cannot express how heartbreaking it was to get these remakes. The contests were one of my favorite parts of the game and the fact that they turned it into a rhythm game was a blatant slap in the face. It took any of the challenge away for no reason.

[@Razzberry_dollz]

Yeah I hated that I loved Oras contest and was so hyped to play that type of contest again

[@an_xon]

I literally can't like they really said "faithful" but chose to be faithful with the worst parts of the game, and removed the best parts from the original like gurl we cudda had the old style super contest and secret bases but noooooo we can't let the fanbase have nice things 🙄

[@Mello-208]

felt this

[@robertlupa8273]

I've never been into contests but this is such a horrible change. Contests had a surprising ammount of depth. Basically removing them is such a downgrade.

[@Spookworm]

13:16 "All you had to do was copy the game! That's what you were doing already!!!" Entirely sums up the whole situation with BDSP. It's like they forgot there was a difference in quality between the three games somehow

[@wahyudim.khalifa5803]

Their only main mission is to faithfully reproduce DP with only few references and improvements from later games

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

You know they're bad when you just end up playing Platinum again if you're in the Sinnoh mood.

[@realblazing391]

I'm not sure if that's a good testament. If you're in hoenn mood, most people tend to play emerald not because oras is bad but because emerald is way more nostalgic and a childhood masterpiece.

[@AliacadosDuelistas]

​@@realblazing391No, people play Platinum because it IS the better version of Sinnoh. The other regions are more about personal choices, but BDSP are just not good

[@realblazing391]

@@AliacadosDuelistas I didn't meant to defend bdsp. I was just saying that their statement doesn't apply very well to the other games

[@screamingopossum7809]

@@realblazing391 Emerald is just a better game imo. There's no gimmes when it comes to legendaries, the story as goofy as it is, is still good. This combined with accessibility makes it easier for people to get their hands on Emerald over ORAS since the 3DS is a discontinued console. Emulators for gameboy, as much as nintendo hates them, are easier to come by and get your hands on over emulators for the 3DS.

[@Grey_Warden_Invasion]

I played Platinum right after Shining Pearl. Felt like I was playing an updated version, just on a smaller screen and with pixel style graphics. The only thing that felt like a downgrade was that I had to use HM again.

[@codename618]

I stil remember the What if I was Champion video that you released after BDSP were announced, particularly that it started like this: "Greetings, Poké Fans! Michael here, and with the recent announcement of Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, it got me thinking. What if Pokémon... was worse?" You said it as a joke, but it's really funny how well it aged.

[@Cool78250]

Haha

[@dice_block]

@@Cool78250 You’re pathetic on still rambling over this game.

[@dice_block]

@@Cool78250 You’re pathetic on still rambling over this game.

[@ninacochrane569]

The biggest kick in the pants about the BDSP E4 is that Flint is using a *banned* set for competitive with a competitive level pokemon; Drifblim. Minimize is banned in competitive pokemon, and baton pass is banned on Smogon Singles. Not to mention that: Rapidash has Hypnosis, which is an egg move from Stantler or Glameow, meaning that Brilliant Diamond players *cannot* make this rapidash set at all. Infernape has Iron Fist, an ability the player can't get without grinding 200BP at the battle tower (Grand Underground pokemon never have HA), and, not Flint but Bertha, her Golem has Heavy Slam early, a move it can't otherwise have! The league is not only "competitive", but they *cheat* at competitive.

[@ElPikminMaster]

See, THIS is an issue with a based take.

[@ijstinson8787]

I mean I wouldn’t say they cheat in a competitive sense. Remember, evasion strategies only apply to Smogon, a fan-made ruleset with checks and balances. The official VGC doesn’t exactly have an evasion clause. As for most of the movesets you mentioned, you can still make them, but they require a lot of work. Sure BD players require those Pokemon to give Rapidash hypnosis, but one could possibly trade before the league and breed one. Also, Golem can also learn Heavy Slam early via the move reminder in Pastoria city. For the most part, the league plays with the same limitations you the player have at this point, with the exception of some of these Pokemon running their hidden abilities. It’s not that they’re cheating in competitive, but punching down to the player. It’s like fighting a trainer NPC from the early game that you missed after beating the champion.

[@adammorin2955]

Remember smogon is 100% fan based with game freak looking over it in case they try to get profitable. So what im saying they don’t care about singles and banned sets

[@BubblesChika]

They don't call IICA's Elite Four *ELITE* for nothing, after all 😅

[@adammorin2955]

@@BubblesChika i beat them with a magikarp not that elite

[@donovan802]

Let this be a lesson to the Pokemon Company: you guys release your games at specific times to coincide with the releases of all the other tie-ins to the franchise you make (TCG, the anime, merchandise, etc). But if your games are rushed out the gate at the low quality they are, which you did THREE TIMES for an entire year via BDSP, SV, and even Legends: Arceus (the last one being mainly critiqued for the graphical issues despite it being an amazing game), that’s gonna get less people engrossed in all your other stuff. I know it may not seem like a big deal because, since June 2022, BSDP still sold 14+ million copies for the sole reason that people wanted to either go back to Sinnoh or because the franchise always thrives in sales regardless, but with you guys being at the top of highest grossing media franchises, we can - AND SHOULD - have patience with these things. It’s why I’m glad you guys are taking time with Legends Z-A and, I pray, even more time with Generation 10, a generation that sounds like such a milestone just by number that you cannot rush through without thorough planning and testing.

[@regulusking4299]

Let’s be honest they’re not going to listen anyway bc Pokemon makes so much money that have it plugging their ears. It doesn’t matter how bad they are they still make money bc kids and specifically parents just buy them with without knowing the quality issues. They just know their kids like Pokémon and buy the new one bc the timing is good for the holidays to get as a gift. The only way they listen is if nobody buys the games which isn’t going to happen. And while I’m glad they’re taking time with Legends ZA I’m still pessimistic. The biggest reason they might’ve not released a game this year is bc the Switch 2 is on the rise and it could be more profitable to release the new shiny game during its launch after a year of not having a game. The Pokémon Company straight up don’t care, and Gamefreak isn’t capable enough to reach the demands and quality needed since its transition to the switch. Honestly, I say MonolithSoft should take over development as they’re shown to be plenty capable with Xenoblade and worked on BotW, TotK, and Splatoon series

[@Satyansh-u8c]

So this is what the essay section of the comments feel like.

[@e94youtube]

@@regulusking4299 Yeah it's kinda like Pkmn is too big to fall now. The most popular & successful IP that has audience of all ages

[@sageashton31]

@@regulusking4299 Do you think GameFreak is just going to hand over their creation to MonolithSoft or whatever company because the fans say so? Just because you think some developer had a perceived good track record still doesn't guarantee success after taking over an IP that's not theirs. Remember how the Metal Gear franchise practically vegetated in Konami's hands as soon as its creator Kojima was removed from the equation? How about the Mass Effect franchise? After EA took over BioWare, Andromeda still doesn't have a follow-up until now. As much as the "fans" think they know what's best for the franchise, they really don't - at least not better than the very people who made the IP. Sure, there's a ton of flaws that need improvement, but as soon as main series Pokémon leaves the purview of GameFreak, I assure you the franchise is good as dead.

[@eljordinio7647]

They're never going to get a perfect game no matter how much time they take so thinking extra time will give you that is naive thinking. Yeah the games might be amazing with more time, but it's still going to have at least one or two flaws that some people are going to hate Legends Arceus had more time and I have criticised it more heavily than most people for making the Dex mandatory, the battle system being extremely annoying and no prevalence of the titular Pokemon until the end of the post game

[@Pokewhisperer_Adrian]

I will say it now. When we wanted a sinnoh remake. We were expecting an oras style situation and maybe better, NOT A ONE-TO-ONE HD PORT WITH A LITERAL COAT OF PAINT!!!!!!!😠 P.S: It could be worse, all pokemon that gained the fairy type could've had their original typings back meaning that BDSP had no fairy types at all meaning having no good counters against cynthia's team😓

[@jaredwalley5692]

I swept half her team with a Roserade. A. Roserade. With Dazzling Gleam. I didn't deserve that win, for the hours of grinding beforehand.

[@MattGraves01]

I strongly hate that gen 6 changed the typing of previous pokemon to fairy typing. It's why I hate Fairy Types.

[@ivanzoneBR24]

This game might suck, but the Chibi Dawn meme was one of the funniest memes I ever seen in Pokemon

[@ChillDragon]

"So basically, I am very Smol."

[@Ash-GreninjaExpert]

"What's with this sassy loss child"

[@Deadpool-ri3rq]

Pringus’s Dawn animation haunts me

[@AGZhark]

Chibi Dawn hitting the default dance

[@rikoaries]

Dawn: "I CAN'T DENY IT NO LONGER! I'm smol."

[@El_Mince]

11:15 this is one of my least favorite things that pokemon does. what is even the point of locking new evolutions to post game?

[@notme8232]

Second worst is shiny locking.

[@pipoledo]

@@notme8232 what's that? Like not being able to get a shiny after beating the league or something?

[@bahhhhhh-ts9sx]

⁠@@pipoledoit means like some Pokemon can not be shiny at all. Examples are some starters and I think every box art legendary.

[@pipoledo]

@@bahhhhhh-ts9sx Oohh I see now. Yeah, that sucks.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

​@@notme8232the worst part for that is that oftentimes the shinies that are locked are really good shinies

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

1:17 That being said, the character customization in BDSP wasn't all that good. Sure, the female player character still has the best options, but it's still very limited and I felt kind of bummed out about it.

[@liladoodle]

That's fair. They really did the bare minimum with the character customization.

[@brakromlord5197]

Not to mention, let’s face it, most of us just used the platinum outfit gifts anyway

[@rockowlgamer631]

@@liladoodle Better than what we got with SV "Sound horn"

[@luckyinky7849]

@@brakromlord5197 it's one of the reasons why I don't want to replay it because that outfit would be gone after erasing the save file

[@yoshfrosch4458]

​@@luckyinky7849Wait, really? I would have thought that the Platinum Outfit would be permanently available, like a dlc of some sort. Does it really just get erased if you restart? That's just hilariously stupid. Why then buy the game early in the first place?

[@tripled2096]

My issue with bdsp is that they arent even remakes. Theyre literally just repainted ports. Literally most of the code is just copied over from DS platinum. At least they seem super easy to mod

[@thenerdbeast7375]

BDSP has basically soured the whole concept of remakes for the community, I am hoping in future games we instead get ports to newer consoles or spin-offs like Legends or Let's Go. You read that right, I'd rather have more Let's Go games than another BDSP-style remake.

[@joj5150]

why do we act like Let's Go was bad, still? Let's Go was incredibly charming and refreshing. I've always really liked it.

[@negligible_reality]

Let's Go wasn't even bad though, they were genuinely good games and honestly the best version of Kanto to date. I would love to see a Let's Go game set in Johto, especially if it included Kanto as post game content like its predecessors.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@joj5150 I'm not saying it was bad, just that as a spin-off with different mechanics its an apples to oranges comparison which traditional games.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@negligible_reality I'm not saying it was bad, just that as a spin-off with different mechanics its an apples to oranges comparison which traditional games.

[@joj5150]

@@thenerdbeast7375 you know what you were implying, don't backpedal.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Screw everything else, Them keeping the mindy trade was THE WORST DECISION IN ALL OF POKEMON

[@ivanzoneBR24]

At least some Reddit users had a field day with this one. 😂😂

[@Dofpie]

But for the funnies

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

​@@Dofpienooo. Not for the funnies. HAVE WE NOT SUFFERED ENOUGH

[@agentomecha634]

Pokemon Violet is my favorite mainline Pokemon game. Sure they’re plagued with terrible performance and glitches. But I really enjoyed the main and DLC campaign and the characters were great. As well as having the freedom to explore the entire region without being restricted to linear routes. And I think it’s fun to hunt Shiny Pokemon in the game. Overall, I find the game really fun.

[@hasshenjo6416]

Fun but my enjoyment of that game is ruined by the performance of it plus sword and shield had more fun activities to do after post game dlc

[@e94youtube]

U forgot the other issues SV had. Level scaling, Lack of battle facility, Lack of old shiny legendaries, Lack of Set mode, Trainer customisation........

[@hasshenjo6416]

@@e94youtube yeah those to killed my enjoyment what kind of game let's do things in any order but not put a level scale in order of each badge you collect hate it when people say this game is open world

[@Otherface]

I still consider it one of the worse games in the franchise, but in general i feel bad for SV. Barely a year to develop. The devs must've feel awful developing this mess. Heck, i have a theory/headcannon about Larry being a cry for help from the devs.

[@kierancore]

s/v are so much fun. easily one of my favourite mainline games as well, it's a real shame the performance and overall look of the game puts people off cause gen 9 has tons of awesome pokemon and characters

[@-qi8dt]

31:37 that hits kinda hard

[@CJDino_Rex]

That is how we felt

[@dice_block]

@@CJDino_Rex You’re pathetic on still rambling over this game.

[@melloschocolatecake]

Honestly, the Glaceon comments were so real. I used to have a friend breed and make me a low-level Glaceon just so I could use it in replays of games because they made it impossible to use one. Why my favorite eeveelution is locked away- I have NO IDEA

[@imabitmid]

0:17 pov: you're trying to impress your crush

[@PeekabooMinecraft]

😂😂😂😂

[@CatLeone2003]

69th like

[@Minnmiizx]

This made me giggle out loud

[@3lles_allst4r]

HahahahaahahhaHaHaHAHAHAHAHhAHAhAHahHahHahahHaHaHhahAh!!,!,!!!!!!!!

[@primpromnom1650]

😂😂

[@venomsabre2696]

I COMPLETELY agree with your difficulty issues and really don't understand why it's so controversial. Difficulty and progression is a part of basic game design that's completely ignored in BDSP. It would be perfectly fine for the elite 4 to be as hard as it is if the rest of the game was balanced enough to where the challenge gradually increases up to the elite 4, by which time it would have prepared the player enough. Shared EXP does nothing but make the rest of the game piss easy, so does RNG based affection. The entire reason I don't bother with replaying the game for challenge runs is purely because I know how easy it will be all the way up to the elite 4 where the difficulty spikes for absolutely no reason. It shouldn't be the game is too hard or too easy, it should gradually get more difficult. It's not that the elite 4 is too hard, its that the rest of the game is too easy. Difficulty should generally be a linear line with the player's skill. BDSP's difficulty leads to an ill-prepared player breezing through the game in a boring way, up until they get their ass handed to them by the elite 4 and have to do boring grinding just to try and beat the game.

[@Pandaboybk]

Hearing you say "I prefer my kicking ass ratio to be higher than getting my ass kicked" is the best way I've heard the way I approach games described

[@Dragonmaster0118]

Game Feak: "We hate you Glaceon!" Me: "It's Ok I love you Glaceon you're my favorite Eeveelution."

[@PoolKid75]

My least favourite 🚮. I feel bad having to waste a shiny Eevee to on it.

[@Dragonmaster0118]

@@PoolKid75 I don't care for it's shiny form Vaporeon is my favorite shiny.

[@maazfarhantheepicgamer311]

how old are you

[@PoolKid75]

@@Dragonmaster0118 I love shiny Sylveon. My favourite shiny Eeveelution and favourite shiny overall.

[@Dragonmaster0118]

@@PoolKid75 I highly prefer shiny Sylveon to regular Sylveon My favorite Shiny overall is probably Metagross. the silver and gold is so cool.

[@aldshin]

i wanna use this moment to remind people that the faithful map design lets folks just skip candices entire gym due to the omni directional movement

[@SpaceUmbreDoggos]

32:00 As a fellow autistic kid (I was 16 when BDSP came out.) who had difficulty regulating emotions and was going through a difficult patch of my life, I hate BDSP’s difficulty system with a passion. I already hate difficult games and always have.

[@BubblesChika]

My heart goes out for you. As a fellow autistic child, I know the struggles dealing with my emotions. Even now as a grown woman I can blow up over the slightest of things. It's upsetting to hear that BDSP only worsens things for you during that time in your life. Games are meant to be fun first and foremost, not stressful. I agree, too, that overly difficult games are super frustrating. I had to drop Paper Mario, The Thousand-Year Door because I found the later bosses far too hard with too many block action commands coming in at once that I couldn't mitigate the damage on Mario.

[@sorrel_leaf_vespers]

I felt this, too. I like my games to be smooth sailing and cannot STAND unpredictability like difficulty spikes, to the point where I overprepare for every battle. I didn't play BDSP on release but I hate the difficulty curve just hearing about it. The fact that this came around during the pandemic when we were all stressed out of our minds did not help.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

Personally, while I have great control over my emotions(I have been called a robot before because of it and my tendencyto think logically), I get irritated and annoyed easily, so while I haven't played BDSP myself, I can easily envison myself getting extremely ticked off in the Elite 4 and Champion

[@GenderedMess]

Same here! It seriously pissed me off so much and I've never had that when playing pokemon, the difficulty spike caused me to over level myself for all future elite 4s (e.g. the finale of Scarlet and Violet) because of it.

[@sorrel_leaf_vespers]

@@BubblesChika I totally get this, too. I'm currently playing it and it's one of my favorite video games ever, but action commands are my worst nightmare. WAY too stressful for me.

[@intoontown]

I was really glad to see Mikey discuss this again, because yeah he made a video more closely after BDSP's release that was more forgiving, but watching this one, it really seems to reflect what I've observed in the fandom: that with time BDSP's shortcomings became less forgivable. (I did not play BDSP so it's been outside looking in for me) So an updated video was a great idea! Plus, sponsorship segment with some really, really good acting from Mikey on both sides of it- I mean, right, fun interactions between him and Grunty Boi 😂

[@45TRANSFORMERSFAN]

There's a modded version of BDSP called Luminescent Platinum, which VASTLY revamps the game. It essentially becomes Platinum Lite, where you still run things in BDSP, but with most of the Platinum features, along with better QoL fixes! Some include: 1) The entire Platinum Pokedex, along with several later-generation Pokemon (only those that are linked to Pokemon up to Gen 4) 2) Following Pokemon are to scale and follow your speed 3) Much tougher battles with a more reasonable level curve 4) TM's don't break at all 5) You can relearn moves on the fly instead of using the move reminder And several more And the modders are about to release a new version that will add SO MUCH MORE!!! The entire Pokedex (at least up Gen 8 I think), new story lines, new customisations, and iirc, the freaking BATTLE FRONTIER itself! For all of BDSP's faults, being created with the Unity Engine was not one of them. It really made modding so much more accessible!

[@oxygenchinchillaangel02]

Yeah, that’s the mod I really wanted to play, but my PC was broken. And I am so excited to play through it on my Retroid Pocket 5 when that arrives.

[@shynox599]

im not modding my switch until the switch 2 comes out

[@bryanmora2047]

Finally someone talking about Luminiscent Platinum, I’d looove to see Mikey experiencing that version of BDSP

[@michaelkowal3230]

Does that mean Luminescent Platinum has Annihilape since it's linked to the Gen 1 Mon: Primeape?

[@45TRANSFORMERSFAN]

​@michaelkowal3230 Sadly not yet. But weird enough, there IS a Tinkatuff you can catch in Amity Park. That's the only Gen 9 Pokemon for now

[@thehayze259]

I like that you tend to be positive, but I appreciate you venting about a game you didn't like. While positivity is great, too much of it can blind us to the genuine flaws of a game or a series that is making it less enjoyable. I didn't play this game, so I appreciate you taking the time to tell everybody how you felt about it.

[@supervillain369]

So, I have my own BDSP story, and it is a weird one. I never finished it. I had a thought to play it as a nuzlocke, but every gym had stuff that i couldn't prepare for. Add to this that I played around a level cap in a game where you can't manage EXP effectively; it was played blind, and I hated it. Did you know an optional trainer in Pastoria gym has a single SP.Atk oriented gyarados? I DO, it killed my Loppuny, who I thought would be able to take at least 3 hits. To this day, I do not understand that. But after I dropped my nuzlocke, some years passed and early this year, a friend of mine wanted to play through the games. He streamed, and i watched while multitasking. It was a very fun experience; there are a lot of pokemon things I know but never get to share, that came up throughout, and it was fun seeing how someone else wanted to play. There were some hiccups we had to look into, and some principles of the games that came up, like stone evolutions generally not having level up movesets. But then the day came where he was to face the league. Now, he didn't have any qualms about using items, he was more casual and took the games at face value. Yet, I was a bit worried. I had noted how the levels in the game tended to reflect the originals, and remembered the grind that usually precedes the league; but he decided to just go with the 'ram my head into the wall until it works' method. Fair enough. I usually don't like that for my own playthroughs because I like strategizing. My nuzlocke of BW2 had me go into gym 7 with only my own haxorus, because it was the best strategy I could find to win (calced that one D-dance would let me sweep despite my hax having rivalry, but setting up would be a problem due to dragon tail; but it can't switch you out if you are running only 1 mon, so if I dodged the initial crit, I was good), so we had differing philosophies. So I glanced by occasionally as he made his first run. And to my surprise, his team was actually doing well even against the elite four, despite the lack of levels. He did get a little lucky against lucian, but at that point, fair play. But, looking at his team, and that of Cynthia? I couldn't see an out for him, as things stood. I sat up, and communicated my concerns to him; cause at this point, I kinda wanted to see if he could first time it. So we got into strategizing. At the point we were at, there wasn't too much that could be done. The issues were Garchomp, fair enough, and potentially some issues that oculd come from Roserade and Lucario's coverage options based on his team. But a strategy was within sight. Assuming Cynthia would make the most logical switch-ins, we could take down spiritomb in such a was as to get a chain of KOs going. But like 3-4 turns in she switched! It was to the ideal target, but it still meant that our pace was a bit off. No issue; we could still work with that. And then she stopped doing what I'd predicted. She sent in Lucario when I'd predicted somethign else. And it was the worst case scenario. It used Nasty Plot on our switch. And proceeded to one-shot outspeed mon after mon. I felt awful. My strategy had gotten him into a hole, and I jsut didn't see how anything he had could kill it. But then, his 8admittedly under-utilized) Garchomp, tanked it. Now I think this was because of affection, but the key here is that it was the only one who had the power to kill Lucario in turn. If anyone else had survived this way, it would not have mattered. And so, the rest of the strategy was a go, cause only Lucario could stop the 2 other power players. Empoleon to stall Milotic; and Snorlax to metronome+rest stall the rest of her part (+ I think it had blizzard or somethign for her G-chomp, it admittedly was kinda easy after dealing with everything else) Looking back, the entire affair was quite silly; but he won. And I'm very happy to have been there to see it. I think that's about as good a memory of the game as I could have, cause I do not like the games beyond that, I share many of Mikey's criticisms.

[@robertlupa8273]

Thank you for sharing your memories with us. It's always fun to see how different people experireced these games... especially when it involves crazy battles. :)

[@jasonfakename4851]

Yall. I AM NOT A COMPETITIVE POKEMON PLAYER. The fact that the Elite 4 are comparable to competitive teams is *insane.* I’m so glad someone understand. I don’t feel crazy anymore.

[@dontaskme5832]

Same here. I'm just a shiny hunter, i wanted to speed through the game with the gift mew and a decent team and give the DexNav method a try. Obviously i just absolutely blasted my way through only to realize the hell i was taking on with a largely untrained team. I sincerely don't understand why this was the decision that was made...

[@Deadpool-ri3rq]

I’m gonna be completely honest- I GAVE UP. I fought the league three times, losing once to Flint’s COMPETITIVE ILLEGAL DRIFBLIM strategy and twice to Cynthia, and decided the stress wasn’t worth playing the game anymore. I haven’t played since.

[@zwillscoopchannel9689]

Ya like he said it would have been fine if it was the rematch battles

[@dontaskme5832]

@@Deadpool-ri3rq yeah learning that it's an illegal strat was so funny to me lol. i also haven't played since and i can't remember if i did ever beat the game.

[@adiele.saint-vil4026]

@@Deadpool-ri3rqI don’t blame you man . Took me 3 hours to beat the elite 4. Had to warn my friend about it after he got jumped by Lucius’s Mr mime

[@dudeguy1894]

*BDSP reveals chibi art style* Me: Okay, maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but I can get behind this. *Secret bases are now a storage closet* Me: Well it's not like it was a major part of a normal playthrough anyway. *No Battle Frontier* Me: Fine, recent games didn't have it anymore, so I guess I'm used to this. *No Platinum Dex* Me: What the f-

[@theshades5702]

You were way more forgiving than me XD Reveals chibi art style Me: I already hate it

[@nataliecoronado4206]

@@theshades5702 the art style is fine imo, but it desperately needed some polish. From the top-down view it looks fine, but the moment the camera takes a close up shot the models look like cheap McDonalds happy meal toys

[@D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_]

It’s the SADX to SA1 I swear. I personally don’t care for Sinnoh. If anything I’d rather play Johto, or Unova.

[@MikadoYuma]

​​@@nataliecoronado4206I loved it! I also loved the Lets Go games art style

[@sticksnbones2317]

BDSP made me absolutely hate the region of Sinnoh. I liked Diamond (never played Platinum) but I still had problems with it. Since BDSP barely improved anything, it only strengthened my problems with Sinnoh as whole. It’s my least favorite region. The remake made me hate the original

[@suiway]

I already hated Sinnoh (I had Pearl, it killed my interest in pokemon for over ten years) and ive always felt sinnoh lovers were too high on Platinum copium to notice just how bad Diamond and Pearl were, especially the dex. Its been extremely funny to me to see all the people excited for Sinnoh remakes now complaining that the sinnoh remakes are too faithful to Diamond and Pearl because of not using the platinum dex. Its also truly a marvel to see the mental gymnastics people use while discussing BDSP to avoid admitting that the parts of it that copied D/P instead of Platinum that they hate are actually bad parts of D/P and not just bad decisions about what parts of Sinnoh to copy.

[@nopt1861]

I feel like how these games were made is they gave ilca the files of dp and then ilca just adjusted the visuals, added the underground and never adjusted the main files ( overworld). This makes sense since they only add visuals to overworld

[@s0lsticefr4]

It's likely that they had to do most of the visual from scratch and once that was done they've only done some surface level fixes And even then they've spread themselves poorly, why did they bother to change the elite four by didn't even add the evolution items for some of the pokemon they've added in the underground ?

[@rangertalksdogsgames7996]

I'm sure that's how it was done. Otherwise how would the surf glitch still be a thing unless they just copy/pasted

[@periwinkledoodles5167]

I am unsure that is how it works? I am not very knowledgeable about programming video games, but I know that different engines and different programming languages and you can't just copy and paste files. I assume the original d and p was not made in unity (Unity was barely a year old at the time, plus game freak probably has their own engine they used). I assume ILCA was given a lot of restictions and had to rebuild the game by scratch in Unity. I don't think you can take the programing for a mostly 2d game and just throw everything into the 3rd dimension. It's not a good game, but I don't think they could of copy and pasted old code and have it work.

[@SpinCityDemon]

That last bit about the league being overly buff, especially Cynthia, I agree with. Felt like a kick in the nuts after being treated to a leisurely stroll and a picnic.

[@marekcox-owsley1605]

Gotta say, mikey. I swept the gym leaders with a KRIKETUNE. Then got brick walled by the elite 4.

[@mr_axolotl5085]

Same

[@UnovanIrises]

I guess you could say you delelele-whooped them! (that was so bad I'm sorry.)

[@rippgb]

I had to take garchomp down with kricketune's perish song

[@muchile22]

HOW MANY YEARS AGO?

[@nicholas599hey8]

Dam mamma you look so fine

[@celly-vq8dc]

bot

[@BrightoLighto]

18:03 that sliding default pose ekans really got me cracking up

[@robertlupa8273]

Abmoor Ekans _(read it backwards)_

[@BrightoLighto]

@@robertlupa8273 yeah, Abmoor sounds like a good name for a BDSP exclusive ekans convergent form

[@silverunlucky]

​@@robertlupa8273 dilos ekans

[@jamesdinius7769]

The problem with BDSP difficulty is the balance. I'd love a game with an E4 & Champion this hard or harder, but the game doesn't prepare you for it. It's a brutally abrupt difficulty spike that expects you to suddenly change up everything.

[@DOW1100]

Fun Fact: There are just enough Fire Types in a main DP playthrough for Flint to create a team: He just has to use Ponyta, Rapidash, Chimchar, Monferno and Infernape. epertitive yeah, but arguably better than whatever they stuck him with...

[@TheChiptide]

I love how the devs set out to create a game that was as faithful as possible, even to the game's detriment, but then also decided to completely change the experience system and fundamentally break the game as a result

[@apocrypha5363]

Honestly... I really like X and Y. The regional dex is incredible, the world is gorgeous and the French theming really works. Mega Evolution is awesome, wonder trading was great, and in general it was just a good time with few annoyances and no need to switch-train. Yeah, its too easy... But there are solutions to that: I play XY with a team of 12, rather than 6. I box the higher level mons and rotate the team out, keeping all 12 roughly balanced. On another playthrough, I turned one of the PC boxes into a "Hall of Fame," and whenever a Pokemon excelled in an important battle, I'd box that Pokemon and let them enjoy a well-deserved retirement and I'd add a new mon to my team to replace them.

[@e94youtube]

As of my user experience, Megas & Trainer hard customization carried XY. It badly needed a 3rd version to fix the Zygarde plot, Move tutors, Lack of post game content including the E4 rematches lol

[@angelicwarrior118]

Honestly, I stand by this as someone whose first Pokémon game was X, and despite the games being too easy, I will cherish it and Y for their good and/or underrated features and aspects. And I hope Legends: Z-A becomes a masterpiece despite its potential flaws given what I said.

[@Aghul]

Totally agree! I understand why people say it is too easy - it is. But there's ways around that if you're so inclined to. And even without going out of my way to make it harder on myself, I still enjoyed myself a LOT playing it. I believe it's the Pokemon game I've sunk the most hours into in the past.

[@tomashorst9544]

Megas were super overrated in hindsight. Most of the designs were just "make it spikier" and a lot of Pokemon got one that had no business to, over those that actually needed it to be viable. I like the idea but the execution has always been lackluster

[@geg708]

You can simply turn off the Exp. Share

[@safwaanmuhidin1157]

I think they should let the player choose what difficulty they want to play. It is fine to not want to have a challenge and enjoy the story or the game in general. I personally would love a hard Pokémon (not fan game type of level) but more of the level you can find in the Elite Four of BDSP.

[@Nadia-b7d2m]

Still can't believe it sold more than pokemon Legend arceus, the true sinnoh sequel (technically prequel)❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@otakumarcus]

You mean the true Platinum prequel

[@MarkGerald2011]

Stolen comment

[@dekumidoriya2928]

I was wondering how these bots manage to get in-subject comments under YT videos, i literally just had the OP right before this stolen comment, they just added hearts 😂

[@Schwertmagier]

Even with all these reasons I would always choose BDSP over Sun/Moon. The biggest problem for me were not even the ammount of cut scenes or the laughable ammount of handholding. It was the fact that it every loading screen took almost 5 seconds! Every start of battle, every house I went into, every cutscene. This is what dragged on the game for so long that I couldnt continue playing the game after the first island

[@The-one-true-chanceful]

"Y'all want DP remakes? Alr, here's the worst games we've ever made."

[@matthewwylie2735]

I just want to bring up a few more problems and compromises the remakes bring with them: Affection is now tied to friendship, meaning it is forced on the player when it was optional before. The game is now easier by default and you can't turn it off unless you take specific measures to make your Pokemon hate you. Contests have been reduced to rhythm games compared to having an actual system like in the older titles. While the underground is still here, secret bases have been completed stripped of all their decorations from the previous games, only being a room to store statues in to change what Pokemon you can find in the underground.

[@e94youtube]

U forgot the forced Exp share

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

my only problem with the league difficulty is that they didnt make the whole GAME that difficulty. it's just whiplash going from mind numblingly easy to "oh! this is genuinely fun and challenging". either make the whole game this hard, make the league easy, or bring back the alternate difficulties from B2W2

[@HermitGRAB]

I remember my friends talking about the Sinnoh remakes "bringing Pokemon back to the glory days" but it never happened. I've had a hunch that they will somehow screw it up but it was worse than I thought. What I am hoping for is that Pokemon will do justice for the Black/White remakes which should be remasters. B2W2 has the better dex so they should use that. They should also add the story of both BW and B2W2 since they both are Gen 5 games so they can remake both into one game. I'm fine with the difficulty issue since Pokemon is easy compared to other RPGs but adding competitive viable teams in a playthrough will crush their target demographic.

[@goldishyellowish241]

Truth be told, as someone who grew up specifically with the Ds era of pokemon games, bdsp disappointed me so badly that I'm now genuinely worried about how they're going to do the gen 5 remakes, if they do them at all, as well as who is going to do them. I genuinely stopped play through my copy of shinning pearl for so long that I was able to complete the pokemon ranger trilogy back-to-back-to-back and start explorer's if sky in time for legends arceus, beat legends, then go back to beat sky and it's postgame. It was during all this that I had a thought. "Funny how four of these games have objectively worst gameplay, yet they can hold my attention longer than the remakes of the games that made me love the franchise in the first place all the way back in 2007; and it's all based on how much stuff there is to do, and how much care went into these games".

[@youtube-kit9450]

BDSP is literally the first pair of games I didn't buy. I bought every single pokémon mainline game aside from lets go pikachu/eevee (just not into that)... until BDSP. I played it first at a friend's place and just everything felt so wrong I couldn't bring myself to buy it.

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

As someone who's first Pokemon game was Platinum, BDSP felt like it a slap in the face for being a dedicated member of the franchise ever since. All the new additions felt like they were creating solutions for problems that Platinum already solved (Underground for the Pokedex and removing the Battle Cafe for Gym Leader rematches), or making good things worse. Contests became my favorite side mechanic in Pokemon because of Platinum, but are now my least favorite part of BDSP. It was the first time I intentionally skipped buying a game, and only ended up getting it from my mom for Christmas.

[@torben8054]

I hate how they fcked up the remakes I was most hyped for cause Diamond was THE childhoodgame for me and now the probability of getting an actually good remake is nigh impossible...

[@Rose-yx6jq]

6:28 this is exactly why I say that the remasters main issue is that they were too faithful.

[@theorangesteak]

I remember someone saying in a youtube short that Furret walked on an escalator for 2 years for these games. ILCA truly did Furret a great disservice.

[@TrinityCore60]

If it means anything, I heard a rumor that Game Freak held ILCA on a tight leash, effectively making this another rushed Game Freak title.

[@kakalukio]

The biggest problem with BD/SP is that D/P already weren't terribly good to begin with. A lot of people say Gen 4 was great, but really what they mean is platinum was great. And with such a terrible basis, all the other jank just adds insult to injury. As for the weird difficulty curve, the biggest problem is that just how wildly the difficulty fluctuates depending on what your random team looks like. I've steamrolled cynthia with my lvl 63 clefable. But flint with his stupid drifbloon with minimize and strength sap was effectively immortal and I had to PP-stall to finally defeat him. Neither fight was that fun.

[@michaelmann7816]

The thing with Gen 4 is that it's a collection of good ideas (physical/special split, new evolutions for old pokémon, and several others) implemented badly. I couldn't say why the decisions that were made were made, but if they'd been made differently D/P honestly could have been as good as people remember them as. But, sadly, that is not the timeline we live in.

[@pocketsizedweeb]

@@michaelmann7816 I think we all tend to forget that the base versions (R/B/G, G/S, R/S, D/P) are all terrible in their own ways and are fixed by the "3rd" version (Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum since Yellow is an outlier being mostly a gimmick). The thing that ORAS did differently is implement the "3rd" version changes into the main R/S version's story while also having a post game story with elements of Emerald's story changes. The thing this game could've done similar to ORAS is definitely the post game. Why couldn't we get a post game that involves the distortion world introduced in platinum? It feels like something broke somewhere along the lines similar to the "Bland Toad Plague" in the Mario RPGs. Like management strictly told them ILCA to follow D/P to a T only deviating for the forced mechanics like affection and EXP All.

[@suiway]

As someone who hated Pearl so much I lost interest in Pokemon for over a decade (not an exaggeration), its been extremely entertaining to see the reaction to BDSP, *especially* with how common it is for people to sweep Diamond and Pearl's numerous flaws underneath Platinum's nostalgia rug.

[@Nethaura]

If anybody ever tells you that one can't get 'too faithful', show them BDSP

[@TheSalamanderMenace4]

I still can't believe they kept the Suction Cups glitch.

[@donovan802]

Theory as to why Flint specifically got Drifblim, Steelix, and Lopunny: Drifblim is a hot air balloon, Steelix because most of its dex entries say its gets tempered underground under high pressure and heat, and Lopunny because… people are weird.

[@iballeriti81]

Steelix’s presence is also likely a pun on flint and steel

[@RoninCatholic]

Lopunny to show he has a soft and affectionate side, and treats the cute bunnies nicely.

[@JCDragon2819]

If they did something like that for all of the Elite Four members, in which less than half their team is a specific type, but they all have a specific quality in common, different story.

[@e94youtube]

Lopunny is a hot😂 & learns Fire punch

[@ElPikminMaster]

They knew even during development.

[@null921]

Super glad to see this made! I haven't seen a proper collection of BDSP's faults on yt for a while! My one complaint is the ads are too spread out. I'd recommend putting them together because having 2 ads in one yt video is kinda rough. It also helps the jarring transition between talking about team sky/mighty merch and the rest of the video since you'd already be talking about the raycon sponser.

[@silvertigerhd7401]

I 100% agree with you, I refused to replay my Brilliant Diamond, meanwhile I have been replaying and want to replay through literally every other main series pokemon game, even Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness.

[@nickolaswolfe3779]

Lets not forget the music in the original dp platinum games is just so much better than the remade sample library stuff.

[@The-defective-asian]

Mandjtv’s most hated game A game where his only starter is a milk tank

[@FNAFer21511]

Yep

[@ale-xsantos1078]

And no flying pokémon

[@___Monkey___D.___Luffy___6]

Miltank.......

[@Team8464s]

Would be cool to have a tank shooting milk

[@Sheenifier]

Did we all forget the Miltank solo run

[@scargraham]

i defend this game to my peers because i did enjoy it but it was incredibly validating to hear my concerns about bdsp be so eloquently described. frustratingly bad remakes of my favorite games

[@MysticFox690]

I Hope Black and White Remakes Don't Be Like BDSP.

[@KnightTemplar0]

You also mentioned in your Everything Wrong With BDSP video where following Pokemon are physical objects that can block your path if you go into a tight space, then need to go back the way you came. Surprised that wasn't mentioned, especially with how Let's Go handled that.

[@kazekamiha]

Honestly; not using Platinum as a blueprint is near unforgivable alone. Just... why? *Why?*

[@RodimusMinor1987]

Ikr, thankfully, I was able to find my boi Houndoom in the underground, but I couldn't get Gliscor or Rhyperior or Tangrowth 😢

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Ask Masuda.

[@KraylebStudios]

Highly competitive boss fights in a casual Pokemon game should not be allowed because its just unfair. And to the people who say "I bEaT iT eAsIlY" just remember that not everybody is prepared for it and it might be someone's first game

[@danieljames1868]

4:38 "yeah where's the fi-WHAT DO YOU MEAN ICE IS SO LOW, HOW DID I MISS THAT"

[@takendruid]

Saying this as someone who will go onto rants about something I hate the second I’m reminded it exists… who bets that Mikey was reminded that BDSP exists because of the recent Michael John cup video, and felt annoyed by it enough again to make this video?

[@ale-xsantos1078]

Thats a hilarious theory A game theory!

[@mikhailsamirsyjainal5040]

I agree. While I was fighting Cynthia, my parents called for dinner, so I kept my switch on. And when I came back, I saw my brother playing on it (WHILE CYNTHIA ONLY HAD A GASTRODON AND GARCHOMP LEFT AND I HAD A PERFECTLY HEALTHY ICE TYPE IN THE BACK) Edit2: Also I’m also in middle school what a coincidence about this your vid’s always make me happy I have someone in common

[@Morrisbruins]

i feel your pain :(. my sister did the same for leon.

[@hasshenjo6416]

Damn I always beat the main story around new years since pokemon games come around November and I get them for Christmas so there was no way for anyone to interfere with my game since everyone's gone to bed

[@supersasukemaniac]

You can turn off your Switch. It puts the game on Sleep and will restart where you left it, unless it needs an update.

[@deepeshrajput7056]

Happy birthday Michael 🥳🥳 .and happy thanksgiving.

[@brantchristy3490]

I'll never understand why people like the league in this game. It doesn’t give you the tools you need, and it comes at the end of a game that, for the most part, is one of the easiest in the entire franchise. We don't hate it because it's hard. We hate it because it comes out of nowhere and doesn’t allow you to properly prepare other than grinding. I did beat it on my first try, but that was only because I knew about beforehand, I bought all the vitamins I could, and even then, I won by a hair. It was very stressful and frustrating. The BBA in S/V did this so much better. There are competitive sets all over the place. The champion of the league uses a freakin Incineroar. It wasn't nearly as bad, though, because of when it shows up. It's only accessible after beating two campaigns. By that time, you have all the tools in the world to build teams. Not to mention that we were informed beforehand that it would be super difficult, so if a player loses a battle, it's more on them for being underprepared. Even when I lost, I was fine with trying again because I could easily adjust my strategy without resorting to grinding. It was a lot of fun, and I wish BDSP would've been as considerate to the player in terms of giving them what they need to succeed.

[@Kronosaurus-1924]

what do you mean that the player doesn’t have the tools they need? The player has almost the entire region to make a team with.

[@killdozer7792]

@@Kronosaurus-1924 I think you're misunderstanding what OP was trying to say - you really DON'T get all the tools you need to counter, what you're doing for the whole region is basically scavenging for scraps.

[@brantchristy3490]

@Kronosaurus-1924 You really don't, though. The judge feature and the power items are locked behind the post-game. That's already two very important things that are essential for team building that you can't access. On top of that, XP candies aren't a thing, so unless you have a large stash of rare candies, you can't quickly adjust the levels of your team. You only have two options for EV training: fight trainers and make as much money as possible to get vitamins, or spend hours slowly gaining EVs from wild Pokémon. This is on top of the time you spend growing berries to reset EVs you don't want. Even if you do succeed in raising the Pokémon with ideal EVs, you also need the right nature and right IVs that you can't even see. It's simply WAY too much to ask of the player assuming that they don't want to overlevel, which is still a time-consuming process that almost nobody likes.

[@Kronosaurus-1924]

@ I mean, if people can beat this game while doing a hardcore nuzlocke, the tools needed to beat this game are obviously available.

[@brantchristy3490]

@Kronosaurus-1924 They're literally not though. The power items and judge feature, two very important tools for team-building, are locked behind the post-game. The only way to EV train is to make as much money as possible for vitamins or to spend hours slowly gaining EVs from wild Pokémon. This is without mentioning the berries you need to reset EVs, grinding your levels in wild battles since XP candies aren't a thing in this game, and breeding for the right nature and the right IVs that you can't even see. It's WAY too much to ask for the player.

[@TravelerAustin]

You woke up today and chose violence, MICHAEL

[@SuperScizor6]

He’s correct though? BDSP kinda sucked

[@Tirus177]

​@@SuperScizor6agree to disagree

[@darknesswave100]

​@Tirus177 explain why they don't suck then. Cause if you talk to a lot of people about these games most would say they're terrible games. Not trying to bash you or anything I'm actually genuinely interested for the reason why

[@Tirus177]

@@darknesswave100 one i find the difficulty system make sense. You have access to a factor the computers don't. The friendship system, which to a degree mirror's the diamond and pearl anime. Ash's rival Paul was their world's equivalent of a competitive player while ash used only ones he had devoted his love and time to even if they weren't the strongest of their species. The walking animations also kinda make sense as not only is every pokemon moving at a different speed, but the player character is faster than before.

[@Tirus177]

@@darknesswave100 long story short i feel that most of the major complaints people have are only a complaint from a certain perspective and each can be viewed easily as a positive if others were willing to try. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion but just saying these games are the worse than list factors that some view as a positive is what upsets a handful of people

[@ChasingDeathbeds]

I’m willing to bet Mikey saw spots in his vision for how high his blood pressure skyrocketed over talking about how backwards the Pokémon Company made BDSP remakes💀

[@WishGender]

Pokémon Company doesn't make the games. It's supposed to be Game Freak but they don't hire enough people to make good games in their time frame so they pawned BDSP off to a GRAPHICS COMPANY that had NEVER MADE A GAME BEFORE

[@KoOk-h1d]

​@WishGender Bro shut it Gamefreak had two 2 years for each year how they could make a game with that time. Hire other people like you can make a good pokemon game self 🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰

[@vicrai578]

Haven’t watched the entire video yet. I can only say that in the french versions, when you read some Unown text on the wall, there is a special character "é" which doesn’t get turned into an Unown, even though they clearly could have just changed it to a simple E Unown. So instead you sea a random "é" in the middle of some Unowns.

[@ElgiakobKoraki]

As a major fan of Platinum and Sinnoh, the game was a tremendous letdown.

[@MintyTheWingull]

31:00 Uhhhhh, yeah, I was 13 when i played this game Christmas morning, and i totally agree. because this actually happened. 2 words. 54 Resets.

[@MintyTheWingull]

The only way i beat it was because i went back to Wayward Cave and caught a Gible and spent 3 hours training it up.

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

BDSP is the worst Pokemon Game and I’ll die on that hill. Maylene was PAINFUL to deal with, the dex is an obvious problem, and the League has competitive teams. 0:44 I wholeheartedly agree. I played through BDSP and it was painful. I literally had four of my team members around the 80’s in level out of fear of the league. 27:14 Ironically a similar thing happened but it was with a Venusaur I transfered from Sword and Shield. Maylene was so painful to handle that I felt like transfering a Bulbasaur and Torchic from Sword and Shield was the only way to win. Torchic and Ponyta came in clutch for the Maylene battle. I never had this much trouble with a gym leader before, let alone the third gym leader of a game.

[@vgmaster02]

I still am gonna tout that I beat the BDSP league on my FIRST try. STILL cannot believe how I pulled that off when I was warned ahead of time of how BRUTAL the league was in this (but not told exactly why. However, soon as Flint's DRIFBLIM was outspeeding me, I knew something was up). And if wondering, my team was Torterra, Crobat, Gardevoir, Magnezone, Mamoswine, and Houndoom

[@nameless18782]

League having competitive teams was actually one of the good things in BDSP in my opinion. Actually made the elite four (strongest trainers in the region) a formidable threat

[@taylorjames14]

​@@vgmaster02 I thought the elite 4 matches were still easy, I found the gym leader rematches much tougher 😂

[@vgmaster02]

@@nameless18782 Except it's not when the ENTIRE GAME was piss easy. Like, yeah, I wouldn't have minded the harder league...if the difficulty ramped up APPROPRIATELY to it. This game basically said "Ok, you've spent the entire game in Weenie Hut Jr. Now go climb Mt Everest just to even make it to the DOORWAY to the Salty Spitoon. And then once at the doorway, you STILL have to prove yourself even MORE just to be admitted into the Salty Spitoon." Like, you see how annoying that is? You can't make the game piss easy, then just lob a damn mountain at the player at the VERY END of the game. Also, you're asking them to have a competitive team when their team was made with rubber bands and string. NOBODY plays through a story mode going "Ok, so I'm gonna play with X competitive team strategy." Do I like hard fights? Yes. Super bosses are a thing in RPGs for a reason. They are there to test you. But asking the player to essentially beat a SUPER boss in a NORMAL story playthrough? That's taking it a step too far.

[@IsleofPigsStudios]

@@vgmaster02 Well. For me most of the game was piss easy. But for some reason Maylene’s stupid Lucario has basically become my equivalent of Whitney’s Miltank (I haven’t played through Johto yet) (I had also never had this much trouble with a third Gym leader before or since). I purposely leveled four of my team members to level 80 something for the league because I knew of Cynthia and knowing how dreadful the third gym was, I was scared to imagine how hard Cynthia would be. And even then I lost the first try against Cynthia and only won the second time due to Affection with Venusaur (Old Reliable coming in clutch again)

[@omarmansuri7099]

I was a kid who had difficulty beating og DP Cynthia, to the point I had to get my friends to give me tips on how to beat her. I can't even imagine that kid trying to beat BDSP Cynthia, would've just given up at some point and would've definitely dimmed my interest in future games.

[@ThePhoenixGang]

So i recently replayed Shining Pearl. And I had tons of fun. Mostly because I knew what I was getting into and if I had too, I had Pokémon Home to lean into. Basically trading to Sword or Violet to ev train or evolve Pokémon I normally couldn’t. Heck I even used Legends Arceus to do that. But I also did do a lot of legitimate stuff though. Like having to use a team of pachirisu with pick up to get my Evolution stones. Basically I caught a togepi early on and instead of trading it to another game that I had completed to get my stone, I just farmed for it like a mad lad. And afterwards I had a togekiss that floored Cynthia’s team. Now in the rematch, her Garchomp survived and poison Jabbed my togekiss but Shiny Lugia came and saved the day. Moral of the story, fairy type is OP in this game

[@MrSonicHedgehog]

Mikey, have you heard of Luminescent Platinum? It's a mod I run for Brilliant Diamond that gives it the Platinum data plus later evos and regional variants as intended, also Hisuian forms. When you get Quilava to Lv36 when having Hex in its movepool it will evolve to Hisuian Typhlosion. It also does following Pokemon and scaling right

[@DipendraSawant-p9f]

I want him to play luminescent platinum wish he sees this

[@KoOk-h1d]

Quick question: How many years did the mod take ? BDSP had 1.5 years, including covid, which rushes developers

[@caylacomix]

i love ORAS, but they have the problem of being remakes of ruby and sapphire instead of emerald. The only difference is that Ruby and Sapphire were actually playable upon release while Diamond and Pearl were not

[@killdozer7792]

TBF, there wasn't really a need to remake Emerald, at least for the most part, since it (along with Yellow and Crystal before it) were basically the same game with, largely, the same Pokemon. When Platinum started expanding the Pokedex, that really did change the experience and most of the future games in the series did that (see Black & White 2, Ultra Sun/Moon... heck, the DLCs are Sword & Shield and Scarlet & Violet).