The Worst Poker Hand Phil Hellmuth Ever Played!

Phil Hellmuth plays the worst poker hand of his career in the 2022 U.S. Poker Open on PokerGO versus Alex Foxen!
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[@blakeelawsonn]

“Honey, I called him with Q4.”

[@greek100]

lol

[@bradasstv]

I came to the comments just for this 🤣

[@andych92]

OFF

[@zottffss]

That meme will never die. 😂

[@saschakibben475]

The comment everyone wanted to do😅

[@CarsonClaws]

If this was the other way around, Phil would’ve executed the dealer, call Foxen an idiot Internet player, and made a phone call to his wife asking how he lost the hand

[@josebarcellos2461]

We needed that actually lol

[@0210mick]

thats already said in the video

[@ztang4216]

LOL

[@c_sparks_1002]

thank you for repeating exactly what the commentators said in the video

[@Brandon-youtube]

"Honey could you believe this guy!?!"

[@blitzrule]

“Honey, I am brilliant, the greatest ever, called him with a terrific Q4 off suit and won”, but if it would’ve been the other way, “Honey, this donkey called my all-in with Q4 and got lucky, he is the worst player I’ve ever played against, the worst 😡”

[@limetheslime1]

pOsIvItY

[@ryanconroy174]

Phil the goat

[@skrufy11]

Great comment

[@johnyboy1977]

@@velipulla3936 Your comment alone speaks volumes about not having the faintest clue about what an alpha is. I have confidence, but I am not suicidal. This wasn't confidence, or else he'd snap call. This was dumbluckery at its finest fuelled by some petty revenge feeling. Total disrespect.

[@brian7333]

100% true

[@AlexXanderMarketing]

Hellmuth has NO right to complain about anything any other player does for the *rest of his life* after calling Foxen’s shove with q/4.

[@ShaneusSnake]

It’s not even suited!!!

[@slugerama]

Like THAT will ever happen.

[@bernwardhusistein6693]

TRUTH

[@tyrocksalot]

Q4 off*

[@AbdulSalam-zt2kz]

He took some risk. If the other player did not have a pair he would have almost 50 per cent equity.

[@JD-40]

Imagine if someone called him with that same hand they would be completely abused by him lol

[@Ali-tx3ic]

he is on a final table of a high roller i don't think you arrive to a final table of a 5$ tournament

[@JD-40]

@@Ali-tx3ic I don’t get what your point is? Hellmuth is notorious for his outbursts about how people play hands

[@hengedy]

@@Ali-tx3ic It`s much harder to get to the final table in a big 5$ tournament than in a high roller. PH is a professional and he does not even pay for his own buy ins. He`s an outdated bad player with a name. A paid circus clown. It was a bad move that put him in a bad situation. Everything was bad.

[@Blue1479758]

@@Ali-tx3ic most irrelevant point I've ever seen.....

[@MrRondonmon]

Strictly by the odds it was not THAT BAD a call.

[@fensew94]

How is this the only hand I've ever seen Hellmuth win?!

[@OneByze]

🤣🤣🤣

[@TheOrangeRoad]

Because he's not as entertaining when he wins.

[@Gibraltariano]

Cos you don’t watch poker? This is his 3rd FT in consecutive days so I’m guessing he won one or two on the way there……

[@fensew94]

@@Gibraltariano It was a joke mate.

[@teacheralejandro1516]

There Is a clip that shows he wins 1 out of four dominating the hand on the flop. 😂

[@Sensimuse]

Honey, I put him on J4!

[@yatinkheti2427]

Hahahaha

[@The_Swan89]

Very underrated comment

[@seanupton709]

lololol

[@gkaarobert]

Actually he put him on J9 or 76... suited

[@bonwatcher]

This play makes Phil's rants even more hilarious to me.

[@1vicjustice]

Fair play to Foxen for his rock solid stoicism in that beat.. kept his composure the whole way. Absolute nonsense from Hellmuth, but what else do we expect?! 🤣

[@makula5543]

16 WSOP bracelet winner kiddo

[@peterwestenthaler7954]

@@makula5543 you are very impressionable - bet you also call PhD's "doctor" right?

[@mikehawk8817]

"Son, I would tell you this much son...."

[@philliesphanatic6020]

This is a classic online micro stakes hand. This happens all the time. Usually it's something like A-3 vs KK. Or 10-10 vs J4. But I see it all the time in micros online.

[@LEFTaTIP]

But this aint the micros. Its a live streamed Poker tournament. OR you're saying...Hellmuth has been getting his lessons playing from the micros?? hahaha

[@johnsarver4075]

It flat tire is my favorite hand

[@kevinr175]

A-3 is 3x better than J-4. High card kicker, top pair, straight draw

[@lifeofbru8929]

@@johnsarver4075 why?

[@johnsarver4075]

@life of Bru. Won major online tourney years ago with that hand at final table.

[@LocalGambler]

I can see Phil really improved his game.

[@giulio76ful]

buahahahahah...

[@other212]

I don't see why everyone is shocked he called. The initial bluff was the misstep. I feel like the call was pretty standard.. he already donked half his stack on the bad bluff he might as well flip a coin at that point and try to get lucky.

[@ghostofstuungar7965]

preach

[@exb7009]

How are you ever flipping a coin putting it in with Q4off at best you can have like 30ish%

[@kockdown3s403]

If his outs are live, like against AJ, he has around 40

[@other212]

@@exb7009 you're right it's more like 70/30, still he's putting in 540k to win 1.3M at that point the odds aren't far off to gamble instead of leaving himself super short stacked.

[@jeanmarie675]

@@other212 he’s putting in 540k to win 1.8 million 🤯

[@philrupp7767]

4:40 the look on foxens face, Phil would be going ballistic if it was the other way around

[@Sakafroukos]

he had flashbacks from his pokerstars days

[@nikitakucherov5028]

The way he played the nut straight vs Polk’s 2nd best straight was played worse than this hand

[@ozrenbalic6051]

@@elitetrucker5150 that's not what they are talking about.

[@Lalodiegoworld]

Either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@PokerPool]

"I'm sorry Phil...I'm sorry..I think you should retire. It's over!" I think Tony G was Right

[@dustinplatt6882]

I don't believe what I just saw. This is the first time I've seen Hellmuth win a poker hand on KZbin.

[@BlackWat3rGTR]

😂😂😂😂😂😂☠️

[@bjbarlowe]

That's because he's much more entertaining when he loses. 😅

[@steventrainor1302]

Phil has lost any ability he had left to ever call someone else a donkey again. If I were Foxxen I would have went full hellmuth on him. He's lucky Negreanu or Tony G wasn't at the table.

[@user-wm9ul4jh4l]

they'd roast him so hard😂

[@jasno1hdee776]

Yeah coz tong g never made that call did he ??? Clueless pal ! Watch party poker season 1 or 2 i think it is and tong g makes a q high low kicker call against 2 pre flop all ins which makes it even worse imo and hellmuth is commentating on the match .id get your facts right becuse you just made a right mug of your self with that comment ..every 1 just hates on phil because of that old green eyed monster...JEALOUSY plain n simple

[@steventrainor1302]

@@jasno1hdee776 I wasn't commenting on Tony Gs playing at all. I'm well aware he plays garbage hands all the time. He still would have crucified Phil if he was at the table. Certain players rejoice in needling Phil and look for any opportunity to do so. The point here was that Phil makes a habit of ridiculing everyone else's play and brags about how great he is and then makes this horrible play. You'd think someone whose had as much success as he has could win or lose with a little more grace.

[@legaldinho]

Phil's pot odds making that call (ignoring icm, which he clearly decided to do when he said he wants to play to win): 28.9% Odds to win against specific hand 99: 28.5% Odds to win against a reasonable aggressive reshove range: 29% It's not a totally batshit play!

[@poppadoc.]

It really isn't after sticking in almost 30 or 40% of your chips pre.

[@blairjohnson6014]

Yea I mean they’re acting like it’s crazy to put in 9 more BBs after you get caught 3 betting light 5 handed. It’s really not. I think he may have thought there were a reasonable amount of unpaired hands and medium pocket pairs that he’d have equity against, and maybe even a J10 or 910 that he’d be slightly ahead of. It just can’t never really be *that* bad to call here.

[@kingsally2864]

@@blairjohnson6014 it's a pretty big punt but the fact that weak players are justifying it means poker is alive and well.

[@timbok83]

It’s absurd how bad and dumb the announcers are and other commenters are for saying this call is dumb. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but made a correct call. Wtf. The announcers are complete morons for acting all sanctimonious about it being a bad call.

[@18000rpm]

It was 540K to win 1870K or 28% so disregarding ICM he was actually priced in as he had near 30% equity against hands as strong as JJ, and near 40% against AK.

[@AWi1337]

Disregarding ICM.. lol

[@Juide80]

If you're really playing only for the first place then ICM is irrelevant, like in winner takes all tournaments.

[@calpsy]

The odds were only in his favour of calling BECAUSE he made a bluff raise pre flop with utter garbage cards and decided he was in too deep to fold and maybe get lucky. Yeah Phil you got lucky you moron

[@reppingl]

I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen Q4o ever played, let alone calling all in and at risk to bust a final table with one stack shorter than you.

[@BillsFan2024]

u r either new, or a bad player if u never played q4 before.... assuming you played 1000+ hands... you had to have had this in the bb or sb... even with a raise in some spots, pot odds are just pot odds.

[@colinsushiboy745]

It's played all the time when the player is on tilt. I doubt you haven't ever seen bad plays while a player is on tilt. Even top players go on tilt. The buy in obviously isn't a big deal for Phil at 24k

[@reppingl]

@@colinsushiboy745 Phil isn’t a top player in tournaments with lineups like these

[@Skyyskyy55]

“He called and raised me with a Queen Ten honey” words of phil helmuth 🤣

[@InversoresDisruptivos]

Commentators saying its just an awful call when it isn't. Hellmuth just needs 29% equity to make the call profitable. His bad move was to 3Bet with such a small stack behind but once he does this the call is quite tight. Against a 20% range he has a 29% equity with Q4o therefore it all depends on the range hellmuth puts his opponents. If he thinks his opponent is capable of doing this with 25-30% of range then its an insta call (unless there are bubble/ICM calculations). I don't like Hellmuth and I don't like this move but would be great for the sake of poker not to just say this call is awful when indeed its close to breakeven. Worst moves are made where no one says anything.

[@marko514]

Sure when you 3-bet Q4o to 350k and he 4-bets you to 890k, you need to put 540k to 1.3M pot, but how does his 35ish% equity play against 4-bet range? TT JJ QQ KK AA AKS AQS maybe AJs? He doesn't have nowhere near equity to call that

[@youtubelife9248]

Amen.

[@forrestgreen4483]

Exactly, his bad move was to 3bet with such a small stack behind. You would think he could of found a better spot to 3bet than with Q4off. Just take a flop, makes no sense to 3bet there. If he does call foxen's all in there, he would of been better off shoving all in instead of 3 betting as he would have a lot more fold equity. But anyone can get lucky and hit their cards, it's gambling, 29% equity is just in theory. 3 out of 10 times you SHOULD win, but it doesn't mean if you WILL win there 3 of 10 times. Re run that spot a 100 times, 29% can easily win 80 of 100 or 5 of 100, you have to re run that spot like a million times to get closer to 29 of 100.

[@Smushalush]

it's still an awful call because it's not a cash game and it's for his tournament life......

[@johnphillips669]

If its the case that we have to put the chips in with EVERYTHING we 3 bet then why aren't we 3 bet shoving to maximize fold equity. What an absolute donk Hellmuth is and people trying to justify the call are on crack.

[@bradasstv]

lol, if it was the other way around and they were in the others seats, even with Phil still being in the chip lead, we would've been hearing about it for a minimum of the next 10 hands. Guaranteed.

[@slugerama]

Let us not forget every other game when they play on the same table for the rest of their life.

[@bradasstv]

@@slugerama 🤣🤣🤣🤣 true story

[@MichaelMuryn]

I'm not Hellmuth and I would've talk about it for 3 hours!

[@emmanueldiaz6096]

The mockery of the commentary is hilarious 🤣

[@Oliveisadoll]

It’s funny and kinda bewildering scrolling through .. I mean the vitriol is intense! I didn’t realize he’s so unliked.. I know sometimes his rants are totally illogical but I thought other people who loved poker would relate with the guy like I do? ..to me it’s part and parcel to the love of the game , it’s bound to really frustrate and defy you but that just seems natural to feel that irritation and I’m glad there’s still some people left in the world that aren’t afraid to show some personality and aren’t always trying to appear in the most flattering light by being withdrawn or fake. I say bring in the tantrums at least some people still have a pulse and are human and not afraid to talk (I don’t mean typing behind a screen but like actual engagement with others lol)

[@emmanueldiaz6096]

@@Oliveisadoll I 💯 % agree with you

[@alex82446]

This is not that bad a call... He just needs 30 percent equity and he has roughly that even against a tight Range...

[@DarthTaz]

What in the Hellmuth is he doing calling all in there? In the past he would use lines like "He can't even spell poker. He called with a Queen and a Ten (suited)"

[@MrRondonmon]

By the numbers it was not that bad, 28 percent and he's getting 2 1/2 to 1 to make the call. If he folds with10 blinds he pretty much has no chance and will get ran over the rest of the way, if he gets lucky he has a chance. Once he puts 350 K in he created his own action, either fold and get run over or call and hope Alex has got AK or J 10 at best, or even if he has a mid par you are 28 percent getting 2 1/2 to 1, so it was not as bad as people think at all, strictly by the numbers.

[@virtualsnake1994]

@@MrRondonmon with ICM shouldn't he just fold there? Anything can happen with 10 BBs in a final table. He should never had 3bet that hand in the first place, that's the thing.

[@MrRondonmon]

@@virtualsnake1994 He was getting the right odds so either play was OK tbh. PS you can't say that about 3 bets, I finished top 50 three weeks in a row in the Sunday Million on Poker Stars before Black Friday, with 8000 people in the Tourney every week, all I ever did was steal from the stealers. I three bet after nit playing many hands 10-12 percent, and no one screwed with my 3 bests mostly. So, i rarely had to play hands against the thieves. LOL

[@johnphillips669]

@@MrRondonmon Oh so ICM doesn't exist anymore?

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

@@johnphillips669 Someone else mentioned payouts are flat until the top 2(?), so there's no reason to play for moving up a spot or two.

[@ihaveAAdream]

After such a big pre-flop raise, it wasnt such a bad call with some many chips invested, he had 28.3% equity.

[@nprodromidis2516]

@Daniel people have no idea of how to spell even poker lol. Well played phil

[@Juide80]

If you really don't care anything else but first place it's not that bad call but most of the time you should try to find better opportunities than that.

[@ignaciopiedra1598]

It is a bad 3 bet

[@ozrenbalic6051]

Exactly. From chip accumulating stand point he needed 29% equity to break even. He almost had that against 99. Against AK he would have 32% equity. Commentators are clueless.

[@ignaciopiedra1598]

@@ozrenbalic6051 that happens when comentators are not online GTO breed players 😜 The question is: Phil knows it?

[@JimCarlton]

I mean, people are missing a pretty important aspect of this hand in the comments. He had sub 16 bigs, put almost 40% of his stack in as a 3-bet bluff and then simply said "F it" after already having so much in the pot. Mathematically, getting over 2-1 to call the all-in, it's not thaaaaaat bad. The real mistake was that he didn't bluff-shove as the attempted "move" on his 3-bet with such a small stack.

[@Opxbest]

I agree. If he folds, he’s left with 500k. It’s a bad play…. But not as bad as people think

[@mjlives5428]

Foxen probably bluff shoves an an all in 3 bet anyway...looks like ak or aq the shorty is shoving..maybe even lower pp

[@dl5066]

@@TiltyfishPoker Erh he was calling 540K to win 1870K pot, so actually he only needed 28% pot odds, which is what he's getting with any pocket pairs as strong as JJ.

[@Opxbest]

@@dl5066 correct

[@Miceliism]

I agree the first part of hundred percent. If he bluffed showed he would have got snapped off he's never folding 99

[@josemariafilho8850]

"Luck isn't a superpower!" Deadpool interviewing Phil. "Hold my Q4 off." ~finishes with trips~ Deadpool didn't realize that probability manipulation is a superpower.

[@gatti7740]

Wow if someone did that to him you would never hear the end of it 😆.

[@lmarguerat]

With ICM factor and one player shorter it is surely just a fold pre but 3bet can still be defended, he knows Foxen opens any two here, risk 350k to win 275k which is great risk/reward. He used similar sizing earlier with KK (2.5x with ~15bb deep) in same spot, so it shows more strenght than 3bet allin). Then, when Foxen 4bet allin he realizes he is commited anyway (needs 29% equity) and decides to play for the win and not ICM based. Fact commentators said his range in this same spot (when he had KK) was AK+ is funny..

[@Drew_Guitarist]

Yeah, the commentators need to educate themselves. Hellmuth was doing the math in his head and was right. Most players would not make the call because they are scared to bust, but Phil has no regard for coming in 2nd - 6th and makes the correct EV play. Would have been nice for the commentators to speak to all of these points.

[@HugoHenriqueGrah]

"Thank you!"

[@TurdFerguson2525]

Exactly! Plus, there's always a possibility that Foxen is making a play with a big stack and something like J10, and hoping that Phil will make a tight fold as he does countless other times, in which case Phil could even possibly be in the lead.

[@HugoHenriqueGrah]

@@TurdFerguson2525 He could have something like AJ too... not so far ahead

[@fredrikstromqvist8327]

The call is definitely not a terrible play. Q4 vs 99 has 28.5% chance to win. He is risking 540 to win 1330 + 540 = 28.9% so from an EV position is more or less 0 (not considering ICM / other guys stacks etc)

[@HoangTruong-vk7ek]

It has even more equity against AJ A10 type hands at 35% and flipping against 22 33 so his hand against Foxens range is about 32% ish overall which is an +ev play. It would be an ok play if he just shove the open raise from Foxen but calling a shove with Q high is still bad bad bad.

[@discgolfspeedruns165]

Mathematically the call is pretty neutral. He’s risking 540K to win 1870K, so he only needs 29% equity against Foxen’s range for his call to be profitable. ICM isn’t relevant because Phil doesn’t care about pay jumps, he just wants to win. So he made the calculated decision to play his equity and either have 30 BB or bust.

[@Drew_Guitarist]

Agreed. I would love to hear commentators talk about these factors, but they seem to lack knowledge about the actual mathematics of the game.

[@bikecards52]

This is why math is ruining poker lol

[@Der_Fabi]

Just because Hellmuth plays for the win it doesn't mean ICM isn't relevant. It is still a -EV play. Usually it's an amateur mistake to get in almost 40% of your stack preflop and then deciding about what to do when get shoved on. By knowing his stack size correctly he could have made it like 300K and snap fold to a shove. That would have been the play if he want's to make a reasonable move.

[@discgolfspeedruns165]

@@Der_Fabi I completely agree that his original raise was a -EV play. I was strictly commenting on his eventual call. The commentators made it sound like it was the most ridiculous call ever and it’s a pretty EV neutral spot.

[@Drew_Guitarist]

ICM for Phil Hellmuth is a different animal though. His value of a bracelet overcomes his desire to ladder up. Can ICM be an objective variable?

[@MrRondonmon]

Not a bad call when you have 9 blinds left and put 350 in the pot per se, Alex can make moves like tat with J-10 or 2-7, 540k to win 1.9, I means he had 3 outs if he's facing a mid pair or 6 Its if he's facing AK. Thus he was 28 percent and he was getting close to 3 to 1 to call which is very close, not a Hellmuth type play, but he also knew if he got lucky he had a decent CHANCE, if he folded with blinds that high he would pretty much get ran over the rest of the way. Not as BAD as they made it sound in that particular situation.

[@houndofzeus]

Ya hellmuth even says out loud that he isn’t playing for the next pay jump. If he leaves himself with 540k he has almost no chance to win the tournament. Suboptimal play but in that spot you’re not getting a terrible price

[@Kanders190]

I will agree that Hellmuth's 3b put him in an awkward spot getting roughly 2.6-1, but in no way is Foxen jamming super light. Foxen can't think he would have any fold equity after the 3b. He absolutely isn't gonna jam trash like 72o, and he may even find folds with hands like JT.

[@Anthonyjoshua123]

These commentators are not the best

[@MrRondonmon]

@@Kanders190 True usually, but he also know Phil, if he had a super strong hand he wouldn't have made it 350, lol. He would have made it 250 to induce a call. He probably just jams AK, so these guys know Phil also. Yea, once he moves he surly doesn't have 7-2, but I am speaking unto Phil's thinking on he 350 k raise mostly. I was saying he hopes he has j10 but figures AK or a mid pair, which gave him the right odds.

[@Crab9876]

@@MrRondonmon @MrRondonmon that'd be insane in my opinion with JT. I think Alex's range is pretty much only value at that point when Phil "pot committed" himself with that weird raise size, making it seem like hes not folding. His 3bet is basically a shove since he put nearly 40% of his stack in already. And u cant fold after that pretty much with any hand unless there are ICM implications. Against a reasonable range Helmuth almost has the exact odds to call (depends how loosely Alex is getting it in in that spot), even in the worst case scenario Helmuth is only about 2% off from that call being correct. The bigger mistake was his ridiculous 3bet size, not the calling off the rest of his stack once he put himself in that spot.

[@Adrian_96]

Almost given fair odds on a call. Given his stack size, it wasn’t that bad a move.

[@Dynamice1337]

It's pretty clearly a call. The initial raise was dumb, but once made the pot odds dictate a call.

[@cerealmilk6877]

I wish foxen would’ve said something Phil would’ve said just to troll

[@JRL1999]

Some call it a bad play. Others call it white Magic

[@jfufilms]

The look on that guys face at the end 😂

[@bradasstv]

To be fair, that's kind of just Foxens normal expression lol

[@jfufilms]

@@bradasstv oh lol the look of shock / wtf

[@dan22482]

Honey, he called a raise with 99!!! How do these players even last this long??

[@roylomeli8134]

And I have a set!

[@SS-kk1pb]

It was a bad raise by Hellmuth, but not a bad call. He was getting the right price if he has two live cards. And if you put in 40% of your stack pre (which was stupid), you should be prepared to call a shove.

[@princy955]

facts

[@spoder22]

Well he had one live card and in some cases he will have 0 so it was a bad call

[@PokerJunkie83]

I can’t wait to see Phil on Tuesday.. I’m asking him about this hand for sure when he makes his rounds at HC 😂😂😂

[@QuantumRizzX]

Ask him if telling poker bunny all about his money and bracelet’s ever got him any poon

[@colinsushiboy745]

He'll tell you what Im telling you. Top players go on tilt all the time and losing 25k buy in isn't a big deal.

[@Koest2Koest]

Only in poker can you make "The worst play of your career" and it actually be a favorable play at the outcome. Classic.

[@guilhermemarques4963]

Yeah, poker sucks

[@Thewokesuckass]

Hellmuth knew he was done either way due to being so low on chips he wanted to just get it over with win a pot or just go home

[@owengood3]

At least someone said something about the hand outside of making fun of it. He was getting 2.5-1 and he was likely live. Yes, it’s awful but he’s rather risk it and go home than play with 9bbs

[@Thewokesuckass]

@@owengood3 exactly

[@ethanmcgraw2692]

Hellmuth is short stack or near short stack almost every final table but the man is a legend and somehow comes back a lot of the time

[@dynomiteful]

wow another one for Phil's legacy of greatness

[@matthiasspiess5452]

We ve got a new contender for worse hand played with Q6 off vs AA in his heads up match vs Koon.

[@AustinLindstrom]

I don't get the big deal. He was effectively pot-committed, likely put his opponent on a middling pair, and rolled the dice. He was semi-giving up. It's being made a bigger deal because it's Phil.

[@gino838]

I agree

[@qwerty-so7nk]

Agree.

[@mrx7181]

Standard procedure would be to just fold his Q4 off to foxen’s open. Instead he ends up committing his whole stack with nothing.

[@gino838]

@@mrx7181 he looked like he didn't want to be there anymore. You know when you get in that state of not wanting to play anymore but you still in a tourney you start making mistakes. Especially when winning this won't make any difference for him money wise

[@AustinLindstrom]

@@mrx7181 I think the better / more obvious move would've been to shove instead of just raise. But I also don't have all the Bracelets?

[@MattRowland]

There are people in our home game that legitimately play ANY face card or ace, regardless. They never win of course in the end, but they've knocked out a few players here and there with crap just like this. It's beyond infuriating.

[@rrrgaming1485]

"You caught me making a move" but... I'm phil hellmuth the lady's will come

[@youtubelife9248]

I still don’t get the outrage. The beginning of the hand is bad, obviously. But once Phil leaves himself like 8bb this isn’t the worst play. If he doesn’t have AA KK QQ or AQ he’s not in the worst shape with the odds he’s getting

[@Pokeball01]

I agree, but you can also add KQ, QJ, Q10, and probably Q9s and Q8s as well to that list. Definitely was a fair call, but there were a lot of hands where he was dead or almost dead after the cards were turned over.

[@Tonaye]

This is why I love Phil hes either cussing someone out about losing or hes doing the unthinkable what a legendary poker player.

[@williamdavies2375]

He’s “all smiles” when he wins them

[@apoocumber4164]

Hellmuth is actually a bully and it totally is an act that he knows helps him in the long run.

[@Sharon_cookc]

Gotta love Hellmuth!! Can’t wait to play my next Q4 off suit

[@Blue1479758]

Even if you think the guy is making a move on you the best you can possibly be is a coin flip there. That was pretty much Phil giving up and getting lucky. That's crazy

[@snowbird2893]

Nah. He made the correct call. Announcers dont know anything. He was getting just about 4 to 1` on a call and had 28% equity.

[@JohnDoe-zk6uk]

@@snowbird2893 ^midwit alert

[@snowbird2893]

@@JohnDoe-zk6uk Kinda hard to argue the math. Numbers dont lie.

[@patleaf2432]

He only had 10 bets left if he folded, he said out loud, I better play to win.

[@Juztastic]

It's called being on tilt I'm sure anyone who has played poker has done something stupid like this before when there's one guy at the table who just keeps getting lucky against you hitting runner runner against you, cracking your AA and hitting 1 outers against you on the river. Phil's only human after all even though yeah he would have gone off on a tirade of profanity if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm guessing this hand followed the J9/AJ hand and Phil was still stewing.

[@ROBMrs]

Suggestion - Can you guys please include the buyin $ / what event it is in these clips in description or somewhere ?

[@dominicboileau]

Why are the commentators so harsh at Hellmuth. I mean, I am not saying that he should call but it’s not as obvious a fold as they make it to be. I mean “in theory” he‘s got the odds to make the call against his opponent’s range. But I understand you don’t want to risk your tournament with Q4o. Anyway, ppl just like to hate hellmuth..

[@Oliveisadoll]

totally agree

[@kingsally2864]

"making a bunch of bad math decisions so that you can ultimately call off with pot odds is an asinine argument" Matt Berkey

[@hawleyj22]

After making the terrible bluff, it’s a call with almost any 2 based on the pot odds. Even against an extreme case like 99. If he’s against AK/AJ etc, even easier. The raise with Q4 was horrific. The call was mathematically the right play.

[@thebeardedflyfisherman9468]

Glad someone in the comments understands poker math and stack size

[@TheSodakboy93]

It's actually really bad to call off. Unless Foxen is a maniac, it's probably not a +cEV call. When you factor in ICM and payout implications, it's even worse as Hellmuth probably needs closer to 35-40% equity here. The raise with Q4o would've been bad at 20BB but almost justifiable from a GTO perspective as you can raise some bad offsuit Kx/Qx/Jx hands. But when you raise those hands and get shoved on, you have to fold them. Always. At 15BB, you should almost always be just calling or jamming from the BB, and your jams from the BB will primarily be pairs and Ax hands.

[@ncinlv1507]

In Phil's defense, he needed 28% equity to call and thats exactly what he had. Certainly worse hands he's played, especially in cash games.

[@DarkTruth1]

Sorry. Because it's Phil Hellmuth, he gets no defense for this atrocious play.

[@mariliagoyafernandes6898]

With icm he needs waaay more brother

[@stianw.danielsen2943]

Its 100% a fold here. Always come on. He didnt put him on 99🤣 he must have put him on J something..

[@andrehanderson]

Icm is the piece he's missing

[@Womenandwine]

@@mariliagoyafernandes6898 honestly he is probably the worst player at the table, and with what he has left after his initial reraise, he should make the call, In my opinion. ICM is worth more the better your edge is, I highly doubt Phil has an edge

[@benjaminkushigian285]

I would love it if foxen got up and started ranting at Phil... "Can you believe what this idiot called me with?! He called me with Q4 honey!"

[@AveragePencil]

“Where do they find these guys”

[@joelfriend5681]

I’ll say this much. Though we know it would have been ugly the other way around, I’m glad Phil didn’t rant about the “genius” of his decision and why he “knew” it was the right move.

[@supersmoo7377]

Yeah because it is indefensible.

[@joelfriend5681]

You’re correct but it is Phil Hellmuth we’re talking about.

[@Harbz]

HONEY HE CALLED A RAISE WITH Q4!

[@elachhabzakaria4286]

I don't know why people are so shocked by this , Phil Helmuth is just bad at poker

[@tywinlannister7406]

You're clinically insane. He is by far one of the best players, he just gets tilted easily player against terrible players and luck boxes.

[@hanomano8361]

30-40 years of luck?!? He is for sure one of the best tournament players ever.

[@elachhabzakaria4286]

@@hanomano8361 he was the best during his time, the game evolved , he didn't, he wouldn't beat 100z today

[@Tissuepapper]

@@tywinlannister7406 hahaha, yeah Foxen the terrible luck box

[@Epimpin101]

@@elachhabzakaria4286 Hellmuth made it to 7 final tables in the last WSOP. And won 1 and got 2nd in two. that sure sounds like a guy who can't compete, right? We are literally watching the highlights of a tournament that he finished 2nd place right now. And just the day before he was at another final table.

[@edyoung2621]

What people don't understand is throughout the show, it was foxen who started with Phil. This was just a little karma that came his way

[@EmperorNerox]

Phils won 16 wsop rings w his reads. He can't be right every time. Bad call and he got lucky. Sometimes u gotta do w ur feeling too,Phil felt Gaga was coming. Also u gotta get lucky at times when ur wrong

[@MikeyD8716]

Honestly after he got caught bluffing (like he said, I'm going to play for the win), if he folded and only had 10 BB left he would have no chance of coming back and winning. It may have been the right move after getting caught. It definitely wasn't his worst play of all time. I could only imagine what would have happened if the roles were reversed.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

This guy unironically thinks he's one of the best poker players in the world. Let that sink in.

[@dylancarter6762]

How many bracelets does he have??

[@marvincotton1919]

Another Brilliant play by Hellmuth! He had to draw a line in the sand, at some point. And he chose the "Poor Man's Ace- Queen" Q4o is basically the nuts, right there. And yes, K4o is a premium too 🤣 these high-level moves come from the No Gamble No future handbook 💯

[@marvincotton1919]

However, I don't personally condone these type of plays.. Unless you find yourself with less than 10BBs and only one person to beat.

[@tytits]

This is coming from a guy who calls people idiots for playing hands like K10 all in preflop, but then he ships it with Q4 off? Yeah....great poker Philip.

[@tylerschwab3474]

I get that he should've folded. But low stack pot committed... and he must've put foxen on a mid range pair. So it's close to similar math as having A10 vs someone with Jack's. It's really not that bad of a gamble given where his chip stack was

[@ghostofstuungar7965]

lol after he put in that many of his chips he shouldnt of folded

[@wikid7777]

I’d agree, if you could nail foxton to mid range pairs but he’ll likely have over pairs and hands that dominate Helmuth in his 4-bet shoving range at this stack depth.

[@ghostofstuungar7965]

@@wikid7777 yes he can have overpairs but it doesnt mean its likely: 16 combos each of ak, aq, aj, a10 and 4 combos each of aa,kk,qq,jj,1010 + foxens range will likely have almost all pairs, kqs, a5s... even if phil is only against the aBroadway or a big pair he still has to call, folding and becoming the clear short stack to HOPEFULLY try and get a relatively small pay jump is a horrible idea when youve put in more than 1/3 of your chips, are already in second to last, and if you win the pot you have one of the largest stacks at the table and a solid possibility of winning the tournament. to be a profitable tournament you need to do your best to win frequently (top 3, not min cashes or final tables). the decision is whether or not to 3!, once your in the situation theres one clear choice to give yourself the best chance of finishing 1st. stack depth only helps the argument for calling, they arent deep, its a btn v bb range (i.e. ranges are v wide)

[@wikid7777]

@@ghostofstuungar7965 that’s a fair assessment. A lot of people probably think Phil is dead when he makes the call. He needs 28% equity to make the call and I’d guess Q4o has only around 17-21% equity against Foxton’s range. I do take your point, especially given the stack depth, but this is bad for a top pro.

[@ghostofstuungar7965]

@@wikid7777 its still an easy call w 17-21% (or

[@jrviade85]

3:43 Seidel!! A poker maestro as well!!

[@liambarron9772]

this was bad, but his shove with the nut straight against Polk's second nuts was still the worst by far

[@michaelcatt1915]

Agreed. Removing ICM, the equities were almost dead right on this one. The massive overshove with the nuts against Polk was wayyyy worse.

[@Der_Fabi]

I also think the QT vs T7 shove was a bad move but ironically this play was GTO approved which is pretty hard to believe knowing Hellmuth doesn't play GTO at all. You can find a video about it on the channel "Finding Equilibrium".

[@liambarron9772]

@@Der_Fabi yeah its GTO in a vacuum, but you have to take phil's rep into account, and he just doesnt make that play in a spot where he doesnt have the majority of the equity (on average). Not to mention there's just better ways to get the money in within the context of that hand anyway

[@rorosnusnu2035]

Whenever anybody sucks out on Helmuth from now they should mention the Q4 hand lol

[@theohunter3403]

Foxen is such a beast, imagine the extent that he was in hellmuths head for him to make this call.

[@MrRondonmon]

By the odds it was not that bad, 28 percent and he's getting 2 1/2 to 1 to make the call. If he folds with10 blinds he pretty much has no chance and will get ran over the rest of the way, if he gets lucky he has a chance. Once he puts 350 K in he created his own action, either fold and get run over or call and hope Alex has got AK or J 10 at best, or even if he has a mid par you are 28 percent getting 2 1/2 to 1, so it was not as bad as people think at all, strictly by the numbers.

[@coreysello]

@@MrRondonmon agreed based on the numbers once he made the extremely questionable 3bet

[@leroydouchenozzle4366]

Foxen is an amazing at colluding at soft playing.

[@MrRondonmon]

@@coreysello 3 Betting against Alex will win 80 percent of the time because he plays so many hands. It is a high percentage play gone wrong.

[@theczar86]

It’s great that the commentators never shut up and they didn’t let us hear the players talking

[@ignaciopiedra1598]

Phil is securing his legacy. We will never forget T2 Brunson's hand. We will never forget Q4 Hellmuth's hand. 😵

[@josepha3118]

Would not think a Q 4 off suit has 28% chance to win vs 9 9 would think it was something closer to 15% interesting..

[@superpasi7315]

when you know you cant outplay them you just gotta hope to get lucky one time

[@mrheckles6076]

Stop telling my strategy to others, man. Not cool.

[@jonnesuopajarvi6763]

That's right on the money. I think the small three bet is horrible, but as played, given who's at the table and Hellmuth's stack size, I think calling is fine. Taking a somewhat bad gamble to increase variance in a spot where most likely outcome is being the next one out, no matter what option you choose, can't be that bad.

[@Pokeball01]

@@jonnesuopajarvi6763 Agreed. He managed to get lucky on the hand, and instead of probably getting 5th place by folding, he managed to get 2nd at the end and win $315,000. That's the difference between a very profitable player and a player who is close to break even.

[@thisguy9326]

It was for 15 big blinds guys, it wasnt a great move but it was a logical move. Phil thought the guy had wide open raise range and thought it would be profitable to 3bet bluff and when the guy moved in, it was mathematically correct for Phil to call becouse it was less then 30% pot odds to him. It was like a break even call.

[@seanlowdermilk4894]

Honey I put in 33% of my stack with Q4 He can't even spell poker

[@seanlowdermilk4894]

Putting in and calling off are different but thanks for trying bryan

[@jaybingham3711]

4:45 Makes no sense? Dude with solver says hold my beer.

[@tymtrppr3]

Phil has berated so many other players for doing this type of call and he sure is full of himself after winning.

[@ajitkirpekar4251]

Lol. At least Hellmuth said he was making a move. I assumed all of these decision were part of some grand poker scheme that eludes every mortal on earth but Phil.

[@Drew_Guitarist]

Hellmuth was doing the math in his head and was right. Most players would not make the call because they are scared to bust, but Phil has no regard for coming in 2nd - 6th and makes the correct EV play. Would have been nice for the commentators to speak to all of these points.

[@gc6185]

Okay Phil, keep trying to defend your action

[@davidturk6170]

Maybe Phil was tired of hanging around with a minimal stack. Either get some chips to play with or leave.

[@justinthomas27]

Against 99 Phil’s favorite hand, the hand he won the main with 👌🤣

[@BrendanBeckett]

If it were a cash game the call might actually be right - though of course being that short in a cash game would be very rare. The worst part of the play is actually the 3 bet which kinda priced him in against most hands.

[@kw7749]

Pot odds are important in tournament play as well.

[@BrendanBeckett]

@@kw7749 Never said otherwise. Hence "the 3 bet kinda priced him in"

[@stevebrotzman8184]

He obviously made a mistake with the 3-bet, but he was practically pot committed after that. A fold leaves him with under 10BB’s and like 3 quick orbits. Not that terrible, albeit lucky. “Playing to win”.

[@bard-anilsen]

The call at the end is ok but how does he get into that type of situations so often?

[@josemariafilho8850]

"They don't even know how to spell poker!" Phrase said by Phillip Jerome Hellmuth Jr. (born July 16, 1964) who is an American professional poker player.

[@coreysello]

It's not that bad once he puts the 3bet in. Feels like cash game players weighing in on spots they aren't familiar with. Rough call but not as insane as it's being made out to be (once 3bet)

[@iambadatpickingusernames6669]

It’s the opposite. From pure chip EV in a cash game, you’re getting the right price to call against the range. But final table tourney play must be substantially tighter than chip EV, as icm pressure exists. He busts against Foxen’s range about 70% of the time when he calls here, which is an awful result when there’s a similar short stack there too. You make money at final tables just by surviving.

[@coreysello]

@@iambadatpickingusernames6669 so you're saying Hellmuth needs to tighten up 😂😂😭

[@SolarPlayer]

Hellmuth folding QQ preflop 3-handed with like 25bb on poker after dark would be my pick. This doesn't even crack the hellmuth top 5

[@imalwaysbluffing]

4:44 Foxen looks demonic ngl, so shocked by what just happened

[@pootietang3275]

It crushed him, seems like.

[@mr.doriangrey3394]

Sometimes it’s about the wrong move at the right time

[@jeffreyjoseph97]

2nd, 4th, and 2nd place in a week. The man is on a roll...besides this hand

[@Seaton1518]

Not so impressive when ur playing $25k's with 38 players...basically a 4 table sit n go

[@EZ7v]

@@Seaton1518 😜😂🤯

[@HoangTruong-vk7ek]

@@Seaton1518 yes it is considering the quality of those 38 that played. It's a 25k buy In for a reason.

[@HoangTruong-vk7ek]

@@Seaton1518 it's actually more impressive to win or make top 3 in a really tough 40 player tournament than a soft field of 200 players. The more players the more luck you need to run deep and less skills involved. That's why we havent seen doyle dnegs or phil on day5 onwards at the main event anymore. There r just so many people.

[@makula5543]

@@Seaton1518 16 WSOP bracelets sweetheart

[@roodflo3080]

He was 'almost' getting pot odds to call (40% with 28% equity)

[@MichaelMuryn]

Well we get 20-30% with almost any 2 when you think about it...

[@roodflo3080]

Exactly... unless he has pocket queens

[@markhawkes6336]

How does Phil win it's a mystery

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

white magic

[@prrevil]

Winning hand cannot be worst