The WORST Sonic Hot Takes

[@NintendoFan4104]

Heres my hot take: Tifa Tuesday should be a national holiday, and anyone who disagrees clearly hasn't played Sonic rush adventure

[@shaulov10]

This is the truest take in this whole video, I’m pinning this comment

[@RClipsGaming101]

Heres my hottake. Mario and Sonic are no longer objectively comparable because of the massive diverge in direction each series had at the end of the 90s. While Mario maintained and refined most of what came prior. Sonic started experimenting and switching up what was considered Sonic. As a result he basically created his own sub-genre of gaming. Thus making anything outside of basic quality control comparisons mostly in vain since its basically comparing apples to oranges.

[@shaulov10]

It’s true but people don’t want to accept it

[@soundwavetheminiconcarrier]

This is true

[@Chillin-jg8vg]

I agree

[@sikosonix901]

The amount of times I've dealt with people saying Sonic is trash simply because Mario is better is insane. Nobody's trying to say Sonic is as polished as Mario. Everyone knows the plumber takes that. But then you're out here saying "Mario had more references in his movie, therefore it's better", "Mario sold better, therefore the game is inherently better", "Galaxy was more influential than Colors, therefore Sonic copied Mario", "Mario has so many spin off franchises, why can't Sonic?", "We need an _actual_ crossover, instead of dumb Olympics". Over and over again people continue to talk like Mario and Sonic are 2 sides of the same coin, when in reality they're a note and a coin in 2 different currencies. They are in different leagues, audiences, genres, and so much more. Why must you continue to use Mario as a basis to rate Sonic? They're too different, just because they were rivals in the past doesn't mean Sonic should always do as good as Mario or do exactly what Mario does to be considered good.

[@Super70000]

true sonic is now a speed platformer about reaction speed and mario is a collectathon

[@ThisisTheUltimate]

My ultimate Sonic hot take (this one is tough, and a long one!): I'm a Sonic Fan who actually enjoys Sonic. I tend to enjoy every content supervised, approved or worked by Sonic Team, both being the games they made like SA1, SA2, Heroes, etc. Games they only helped with like Sonic R and 3D Blast (made by Traveller's Tales), Sonic the Fighters (made by AM2), The Advance Trilogy (made by Dimps) And I do genuinely enjoy most of Sonic's catalogue of games, I like SA1, SA2, Heroes, the Advance Trilogy, the Rush Trilogy, Unleashed, Black Knight, both Rivals games, the classic games including the 8-bit games, the classic tetralogy, Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars, Sonic 4 Episode II I like the racing games, the Riders series games, the All-Stars Racing games+Team Sonic Racing, Lost World, etc. And even most of the bad games I dislike I don't HATE them, like Forces, 06 or Sonic 4 Episode I, every game I can at least say 1 good thing about it, only a few games that I don't like at all and place at the bottom of my personal list (and those are silly games like, Sonic Jam for the Game dot com, Sonic's Schoolhouse and some official flash puzzle games, but even them, I think they're just boring) And unlike some fans I also appreciate and enjoy mods made to improve games that are already good and I already like, like Frontiers or SA2, or mod/remakes made to improve games which could be better like Free Riders no Kinect Patch (which is super fun), Sonic P-06 (which is amazing) or Sonic Reignition (which is promising) I also enjoy the other media which are aproved and supervised by Sonic Team, the creators of Sonic, like the IDW comics, Sonic X, the Sonic OVA, the movies, and so much more I love literally almost every character from those media aswell, all the characters from the games, from Sonic X, from Sonic OVA, Sonic Boom, from the IDW comics, including many characters that people don't usually like, such as Infinite, Omochao, Elise, Chris, Zavok, or whatever lol I love seeing the side artworks like the Sega Harmony Sonic artworks which used to be a thing in the 90s showing more of JP Classic Sonic or the current monthly Sonic Channel artwork which are always a pleasure to see, the Sonic Channel in general is just a website I love, it has so many cool stories and artworks involving these characters and what they're doing during the adventures beetween the games (since they're canon) And even the things which weren't supervised by Sonic Team and I don't see really as "Sonic" because they drift away a bit of what Sonic IS, like the DiC cartoons from the 90s, Archie, the Sonic Bible, the american designs, etc. I can respect because it is a different take on it, an interesting, and sometimes, even though I don't like many things of it there are a lot of cool concepts and stories which I really enjoy In general I'm just really happy to enjoy Sonic and I enjoy enjoying Sonic and it being my favorite franchise, I also always want to see the best for it which makes me happy to see where we are in the last 5 years ever since the first movie came out, and then Frontiers and now Shadow Gens, with the series going up in reputation again!

[@DefinitelyNotClassicShadow]

Genuinely a W comment

[@GideonHannsz-ht3qm]

I like this one.

[@templecatt]

oh finally someone that i can agree with lol I have often ssid that i dont rlly have any sonic hot takes because i just dont have anything i hate. im not the type of person to hate things but i can dislike things if they hurt things that i really really enjoy (like disliking some aspects of writing in the 2010s) but i dont _hate_ stuff and if i do dislike stuff i just ignore it. i also like all characters (except for the deadly six but i just ignore them because I don't like to pretend to hate or compain about things) and all of my hot takes are about me liking things instead of hating some things (for example one of my hot takes is that my favourite stages from sa2 are the treasure hunting ones) instead of complaining about what we get, i like to try things out until either i like it and find a way to enjoy it or i find out its not for me and go back to what i like instead of writing a twitter thread

[@ThisisTheUltimate]

​@templecatt That's cool! I love just consuming things from the Sonic series, and it is really nice seeing people who think the same. For me, I see the 2010s writing a bit different from many people aswell I don't think it is like the best writing we got out of these series, of course, the 2000s is where those characters are best portrayed where they go all out, and the 2020s follow right behind because up until now, it has given us good stories with the characters being portrayed in a way that makes me happy, and the 90s, although we never got much out of the games themselves outside of it their characterization always were pretty good too (and it was where it all started aswell) But for me, although the 2010s isn't the best this series has gotten, it still keeps the traits from all the characters in my eyes, it still keeps what makes me love these characters and what makes them be who they are, Sonic for example, he still loves adventures, as he says in Sonic Generations "an adventure is not fun if it is too easy", he still hates opression, he gets really pissed in Colors once he finds out what Eggman is doing to the Wisps, he plays by his own rules, as he says in Colors "No copyright law in the universe is going to stop me", which yes, it is a haha funny cutscene line but it also means that Eggman's rules of his park or whatever rules posed onto Sonic no matter where, weren't going to stop him from doing what was right and saving the Wisps from being opressed, and I could go on I think the 2010s stories are quite silly and aren't as complex and cool as the older (and newer) stories, they all don't have the chance to make the characters go all out and have the moments that makes us love them so much like in the 2000s games, and of course that's thanks to the writers of that time not knowing the Sonic series at all and not knowing those characters, but they still do a fine job, and in my opinion that's the case thanks to Sonic Team, as I said, Sonic Team supervises every media (excluding the old american stuff) and especially the games, and although the writers didn't knew Sonic, for me, I see Sonic Team being the ones making the characters not becoming Out of Character, because of course just because a writer does not know anything about Sonic it doesn't mean Sonic Team will just let them do whatever they want, I think they kept telling them how the characters were and supervising what they did, and it ended up being fine, not as cool as before, but not transforming them in other characters (at least, in my view, as I said before)

[@sikosonix901]

I see a lot of me in you, and you seem like a cool guy, so that's a compliment! I too just enjoy a lot of what Sonic has to offer. I rarely have overly negative opinions towards him. I can be critical, but I will always find the good in it. Not just for Sonic though, I like to keep this outlook on everything. For me personally, my favourite thing about Sonic is the music. I have favourites, but I genuinely cannot think of a Sonic song I think is bad. Yeah, that's right. I fw Press Factory, Splash Hill, and Faded Hills heavy. And you can't do nun 'bout it. I'm glad that there are other people who just appreciate what Sonic is and what it can be. But don't be afraid to be critical, you can still wish for better while enjoying what's there.

[@LazyHoeWithLore]

Im going to get murdered for this. Chris Thorndyke is a good character, he was flawed in a few ways, and a victim of neglect, not to mention 4KIDS nerfed his flashback. He gets way too much hate for being an actual kid who wants friends. Sure he had like three friends, and you could argue that he should be able to easily make friends. But he’s a rich kid, a naive rich kid at that. He could easily be taken advantage of and used for his money and fame. And I've said this plenty of times. If Chris was a heavy sleeper in the first episode and didn’t know that Sonic was drowing in his pool. Sonic would've died.

[@mr.unsmiley8656]

He's fine, definitely not worth all the vitriol that gets hurled at him. Characters like him tend to be a hard sell though. It was the same problem with the Kirby anime.

[@LazyHoeWithLore]

@mr.unsmiley8656 Yeah! He's decent(I have an unhealthy obsession with him💀), a bit of a dumbass at time, but it's okay.

[@jjtheenton]

Sonic Adventure fans try not to say Mario had a rough transition into 3D challenge (impossible)

[@shaulov10]

Don’t shoot the messenger

[@jjtheenton]

​@@shaulov10I meant the OP lol

[@therollingcreeper1]

Going from sonic 3&Knuckles to 3d blast to adventure Pretty smooth transition I'd say

[@tubaraofluente]

ah yes, the classic "video that I watch to get angry on purpose"

[@shaulov10]

Listen you did this to yourself

[@joshshrum2764]

Lol.

[@NoNamex1412]

I want a part 2. There's not enough omens

[@shaulov10]

bro did NOT watch the video

[@sonicsupremacist]

Here's a hot take: I don't like the classic Sonic games that much. I always just feel like I'm fumbling around and running into stuff, and it feels pretty maze like to me. It's harder to get a grasp on the layout in 2d than in 3d. This is just a matter of personal preference though. I can see why people like them so much.

[@shaulov10]

Aight Gdub I know this your alt account

[@sonicsupremacist]

Damn you got me

[@Kelps.mp4]

That's just preference, really. I find it easier having a grasp on 2D mostly.

[@joshshrum2764]

Yeah i get it.

[@therollingcreeper1]

I'm the opposite

[@CaptainF123]

MY hot take is that Classic Sonic in Gens is the best Classic Sonic gameplay in the franchise.

[@dotproduct335]

🤝🤝🤝

[@andraw4002]

The roll is useless in those levels. The spindash is just a boost you need to stop to use.

[@Jordanisokatnth]

I mean fair, he actually has speed

[@Jordanisokatnth]

​@andraw4002 you can spin dash mid run

[@Zerosaber91]

​@andraw4002you dont need to stop to use, you can just press action button while running to use spin dash

[@BlackFlash09]

Sonic Unleashed is one of the best Modern Sonic games. One of the reasons the Werehog is over hated is because people just keep spamming the same combo attack. And Sonic Frontiers feels like a sequel to the game. 👍

[@shaulov10]

Well the reason people just spam the same combos is because the game gives me no reason to use anything else with alternatives enemy types. Hell it’s actually less effective to use the QTEs because if you fail then you take damage and the enemy heals. The game has all these combos but does a bad job at intsentivising me to use more than like 4

[@BlackFlash09]

@@shaulov10 Fair enough. Sonic Frontiers did remind the player they have skills they unlock. That’s why it’s an excellent successor. Maybe a remake/remaster can fix this.

[@Kelps.mp4]

The Werehog isn't really good. Generations Classic Sonic>>>>

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

Honestly just skill issues... Just take the time to learn and you'll be cooking

[@uneedrambo716]

​@@shaulov10It does give you reason being that combos deal with enemies much faster than spamming and it's more satisfying AND it gives you more score towards you rank

[@SonicTheHedgehogX15]

The best take is that sonic needs to stop the electricity and just have wind He has no powers, he just “is” fast This is a take i poster on twitter just to get ignored 💀 People seem to listen better on reddit tho

[@shaulov10]

It doesn’t matter. Lightening is fast thats why lightning is present.

[@Kelps.mp4]

@SonicTheHedgehogX15 I think the Boost should be sort of a skill where you level it up, at the first level the effects are only basic wind effects, and as you evolve the skill, the Boost aura will gain electrical effects. This would be the best of both worlds.

[@wolef3344]

If they decide to lean into elemental themes for all the characters, though, Sonic would probably get lightning and wind would be for Tails

[@blockwearingman]

@@Kelps.mp4how that gonna work lol

[@andraw4002]

I think that it was very intentional that the boost didn't have any electricity effects

[@AccelerateHedge]

Heroes is overhated, sorry

[@shaulov10]

nuh its underhated. it needs more hate

[@JadonJarrett]

No it’s not

[@AccelerateHedge]

@JadonJarrett yes it is

[@AccelerateHedge]

@@shaulov10 no

[@lightningboy7099]

I dont hate heroes. It actually does alot of things well

[@FrenzyStudiosYT]

Here’s my hottake! The Werehog stages are fun I really love trying to learn new combos to see how chaotic it gets And that music that plays is quite stressful which literally means “WELCOME TO THE BAR FIGHT” But the music that plays in the levels itself are so calming and satisfying And collecting the xp is satisfying And the fact that over time u can unlock more and more combos to add to the fights and chaos and puzzles makes it more encouraging to use every single combo of controls for attacks And the dark Gaia enemys designs look super cool and the boss fights are enjoyable And I love the stretchy arms because of how unique it is for a Werewolf like design So yeah that’s my hottake-

[@SPEEDYDIM2]

lost world was shaulov’s punching bag for 2023 heroes was shaulov’s punching bag for 2024 *WHAT LIES IN STORE FOR 2025*

[@shaulov10]

I think it’s safe to say. We WILL stay hating on Sonic Heroes

[@SparklingJam]

@@shaulov10nah I bet forces will be your next target

[@graysonproductions6227]

@@shaulov10 *YOU* will. I realy like sonic heroes.

[@briprosser]

​@@shaulov10 Sonic Heros is underhated

[@SonicTheHedgehogX15]

3:26 i agree with CD being goated If used jp, its goated, like its really goated It has vibes we need back, and goated characterization for sonic overall

[@genyakozlov1316]

Jp soundtrack is way inferior to US.

[@MJGaming57_REAL]

Where did all you CD GLAZERS come from? Yeah it’s a good game better than sonic 1 but better than sonic 3?? It’s not even as good as sonic 2

[@therollingcreeper1]

Us soundtrack still good

[@ws0909]

My hot take: superstars is the worst game in sonic history

[@shaulov10]

Saying this when 06, heroes, blast, boom, labyrinth, forces, shadow, and sonic genesis exist is straight up disgusting

[@ws0909]

@ those games at least had charm, this one doesn’t feel like it had any emotions put into it

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

You misspelt Sonic 4 Episode 1

[@Water90435]

My hot take is that the sonic kart racing games are genuinely awesome. Tsr was mid at worst, but the other 2 are genuinely great games, especially transformed. It’s amazing to me that twitter sonic fans will act like these games are some sort of “aura less abomination” compared to the riders series when free riders is probably one of the worst sonic games ever made lmao.

[@SPEEDYDIM2]

i kinda agree

[@GideonHannsz-ht3qm]

That's just the truth bud

[@Tsuna_Dokkan]

I love Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing, but the prospect of Sonic R coming back appeals to me so much more than another kart racer, that’s my favourite game in the series

[@That1One-Guy]

If you do a part 2 here’s my take. Sonic superstars is underHATED.

[@shaulov10]

Yeah I’m gonna Specifically not put you in the video ☺️☺️

[@That1One-Guy]

@ YOU CANT SILENCE US

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@That1One-Guy Garbage take, lil bro 🙏

[@Chillin-jg8vg]

Sonic CD is overhated, Sonic Forces is just an mid game but how much damage it did to the Sonic fandom is why it so hated, Sonic Frontiers isn't the worst dlc and it's free too compared to other dlc that's dog shit and you have to play for, Sonic Lost World is just an decent game it isn't bad, to be honest no one cares about Heroes that much for it to be overhated all they say about the game is the controls are slippery and the character writing and that's it, that's why we need an Sonic Mania 2 with more original levels and it will be the best Classic Sonic game

[@blueblitz283]

Here's my Hot take, and it has to do with the Sonic Movie-verse After how Knuckles turned out, There should not be another mini-series We as Sonic fans have witnessed countless times what happens when you low-ball this IP on the budget front It's either full length movie or no-go

[@hulyaterzi8560]

Just because something was done wrong once doesn't mean it should never ever be done again

[@akinalski]

4:39 i honestly dont get why mania was so special to people like it was mostly the same levels and for some reason and only like 4 new ones, superstars is the classic sonic ive always wanted but they just did it horribly

[@jacobreiss2795]

My biggest hot take is that I think the Dark Age (2005-2010) is actually the best era for Sonic. A lot of the games from that era like Sonic 06, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Rush, and the first two Riders games, are my absolute favorites in the franchise. Also, we had the best voice actor for Sonic and Shadow, Jason Griffith, and the best Sonic show, Sonic X during that time. It was an all around great time and I think instead of the Dark Age, it should be called the Golden Age because the true Dark Age didn't happen until Sonic Boom Rise Of Lyric came in 2014 and it continued until the movie Sonic 1 came out in 2020.

[@dynamicyouthtube]

I agree that era games are all really good yes even 2006. but I would say the dark age ended in 2017 because of mania... and well forces didn't do much but at least it got us to where we were

[@shaulov10]

You can think what you want about the games themselves but it was factually the worst time for the Franchise. People forget what 06 did to the game’s reputation. And when we forget the story. The storybook games were hindered by the Wii. and besides the rush games ever game released was a failure

[@jacobreiss2795]

@@dynamicyouthtube Mania was great, but it didn't end the Dark Age because any little good will that it brought to the franchise was erased once Forces came out. Team Sonic Racing was decent, but it's a spinoff so I wouldn't count that being the end. The first movie is when things really started to change because if they hadn't decided to change Sonic's design, the movie would've flopped and Sega wouldn't have given extra time to Sonic Team to finish Frontiers so it would have flopped too. One of the members of Sonic Team even said Frontiers was their last chance to make a good 3D Sonic game so while the movie started this Sonic Renaissance, the success of Sonic Frontiers was what really kicked it into high gear. To sum it up, Sonic Movie 1 crawled so Sonic Frontiers could walk so Shadow Generations could run.

[@jacobreiss2795]

@@shaulov10 I know, despite how much I love that era as a whole, it's a shame that things were handled so poorly back then because Sega didn't care and as a result, neither did the fans. If any of the Dark Age games released in the current era, I think they would've been handled a lot better. The storybook games would've had the option to use a regular controller, Shadow The Hedgehog would probably be more like how Shadow Generations ended up being, and Sonic 06 would've been a masterpiece and called Sonic Adventure 3 instead.

[@dynamicyouthtube]

@@jacobreiss2795 I mean yea I guess your right but I feel like once we got mania and forces it didnt feel like It was the dark era it just felt like it was stuck somewhere where it was just plain games but not utter disasters

[@30THMAN.]

Even if Mania was 100% non original it would still be my favorite classic Sonic game.

[@shaulov10]

Idk. If I wanted to play the past games I would play them

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@shaulov10 On the other hand, Mania understands Classic Sonic way better than the past games, so I'd rather play the Mania versions of the level than the originals.

[@30THMAN.]

@@shaulov10 Generations :

[@Zerosaber91]

​@@shaulov10except mania versions are way different, especially in act 2

[@alanbareiro6806]

My takes: - Roger Craig Smith >>>> Jason and Ryan. No disrespect towards the latter two, because they were good on their own right (specially Jason after he drastically improved his performance for Unleashed and Black Knight), but I feel that Roger is the perfect voice for Sonic. He has more range and he puts a lot of emotion and personality on his portrayal. And I'm a sucker for Sonic's deeper voice. - Sonic Adventure 2 is a big downgrade to SA1 in every way. Linear corridor level design for Sonic/Shadow except for the ARK levels, slow mecha levels (the score attack was fun though) and nerfed radar for the treasure hunting (emerald shards sometimes located in annoying places). While the story was decent, it sparked the gloomy tone that would kind of plague the franchise in the mid-2000s, which I didn't like. In that sense, I feel Sonic Adventure 1 nailed both gameplay AND story much more than the sequel. - Sonic Colors is a great game despite its flaws. The Wisps can make or break your enjoyment of the game, but if you do happen to like them, you will find that the game is competently designed with them in mind. And while it doesn't play like a traditional 3D boost Sonic game, it does try to be its own thing and it mostly succeds. The game being mostly 2D isn't that bad, and its a fair compromise considering the main gimmick and the more puzzly levels. And while the story is nothing to write home about, it is certainly overhated. I do feel the bad jokes Sonic makes add a certain charm to it and I don't mind it being one of Sonic's personality traits (provided it's not overused). - Forces is meeeeh, but it's far from the worst game in the franchise. It's not worse than '06 at all. My defense to Forces ends there. - Jun Senoue is an amazing musician, but his Sonic 4-ish styled arrangements for certain Classic Sonic games (like 4 and Superstars) bring the quality of the soundtracks by a huge notch. This is specially worse in Superstars, of which the rest of the soundtrack is of superior quality. He needs to ditch those synths and pick up his guitar for the next Classic Sonic game. Might have some other hot takes, but I don't get any more coming to mind at the moment.

[@Diibug]

Unleashed is NOT a bad game as a whole package and the werehog is peak!

[@tomascarlsson3073]

Are you a furry

[@Diibug]

@ nah he’s just fun to play and isn’t as bad as people say

[@tomascarlsson3073]

@@Diibug i was joking

[@Diibug]

@ yeah I know

[@keeganxcodename]

Sonic Heroes needs more love & you know it

[@SadScorpion956]

My ULTIMATE Sonic hot take is: For the people criticizing the Werehog's combat system in Unleashed for being button mash-y, then by the same logic the sentiment that grew around the mid 2010's that Sonic was never good is entirely correct and almost every game in the series should be considered barely better or worse than Forces quality wise.

[@thekeybladeninjaturtle7380]

My hot take: The only overrated Sonic game to exist is Sonic 4 Episode 1. It doesn't deserve the high scores Metacritic and IGN gave it

[@Drew3966]

Hot take: Sonic was never bad, hear me out. The Sonic community often have different opinions, classic fan think that was good before 1996, ign is untrustworthy and which is sonic bad also said by content creator. Anyway secret rings is completely ass.

[@shaulov10]

You just disproved your own point by saying “secret rings is complete ass” 😭😭

[@Drew3966]

@shaulov10 one game, that doesn't mean whole series is bad.

[@MrH1pster]

7:55 Yeah you BETTER not have anything against my glorious goat Sonic Lost World for Nintendo Wii U fun video btw it was funny, fuck Heroes

[@shaulov10]

W comment

[@MrH1pster]

@@shaulov10 My man 🤝

[@Jordanisokatnth]

I have one insane hot take: Sonic Frontiers is the WORST mainline game

[@JustMikeoff]

yo sonic 06 it's outside of your house.

[@Jordanisokatnth]

@JustMikeoff I've never played it, I don't own a ps3 or xbox 360

[@Earlybeggar]

Agreed

[@Earlybeggar]

That's cold

[@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty]

@@JustMikeoff Sonic 06 is nowhere near the worst title, even considering all it's "flaws", which more often than not come down to personal preferences rather than an objective analysis. Sonic Forces is a better candidate for worst game in the series, despite everyone wanting to just call it mid.

[@christophermoore5007]

Sally acorn is a better love interest than amy rose is one of my biggest hot takes.

[@yay29823]

You see, it's not hot because you're the only one who believes this. It's hot because you never know if you're commenting on a sonally shippers infested channel, a sonany shippers infested channels, or a non-shippers channel. You never know what you're getting into...

[@uneedrambo716]

Cold

[@espurrseyes42]

Hotter take: Neither of them are good love interests for Sonic. Sonic by his conception is not an "Imma settle down and have kids" kinda character.

[@ballooningen]

@@espurrseyes42how bout knuckles?

[@espurrseyes42]

@@ballooningen Knux is a loner who opened up as a person due to meeting people and getting off the island. Him having a Love Interest, especially given they've already tried setting him up with Rouge in SA2, makes sense with his character. Versus Sonic, who was designed from the start to, as the Anti-Mario who doesn't go around chasing princesses (minus 06 and Rush technically), not have one.

[@ChargedDaYtubr]

1:28 Mario 64 is the best 3D Mario game, fight me

[@shaulov10]

I mean technically yeah. It was literally the first of its kind so they had nothing to go off of.

[@ChargedDaYtubr]

@ I meant best lol, my autocorrect screwed me over 😭

[@andraw4002]

Most overrated game of all time

[@ChargedDaYtubr]

@ never cook again

[@briprosser]

My hot takes: Shadow the hedgehog 05 is a good game, Sonic heros sucks, Sonic forces dosn't need the hate it gets, I don't like the Sonic CD us ost (I like most of the songs but I think some of them just don't fit with the level's at all and I don't want to talk about the game over and boss themes), I don't like the song Open your heart (I do like Open your heart but I just like other Sonic songs like Escape from the city, I am all of me, His word, Fist bump and Find your flame), Live and learn is overated (I think a lot of it's love is from nostalgia over Sa2), I'm not sure if this is a hot take but I'll say it anyway, The Chaos island song from Shadow gens is a good song, Sonic lost world is not a bad game, I don't like the Chao garden (I still like chao), I enjoyed most of the Werehog stages in Unleashed And that's it for my hot take now my cold takes: I hate Omochao

[@tomascarlsson3073]

Not liking the sonic cd us ost isnt a hot take

[@PhoebeIsHereForCurlyFries]

I might get some hate for this, but the Freedom Fighters will never appear in a mainline game. As fun as the Freedom Fighters are, I see a lot of people talking about Sega potentially adding them to a mainline game, but honestly, I don't think it will ever happen, especially given how reluctant Sega was to have any playable character other than Sonic himself for the longest time. Another hot take, while I don't think he's my favorite Sonic VA, when I read a sentence on paper and try to imagine it in Sonic's voice, I always immediately go to Roger. I don't think he has the best Sonic voice, but I think he has become the voice of Sonic in a way, and honestly, mad respect to him for that.

[@miguelbaptistapinheiro537]

Is impressive how sonic unleashed was hated in the pastand now its one of the most overrated sonic games

[@shaulov10]

sonic fans never dissapoint

[@rhymerlegend2717]

9:57 Oh no brother hard disagree I think Unleashed is objectively the best game in the franchise (my personal favorite is Adventure 1)

[@shaulov10]

That’s can’t be true because the game has objectively bad game design. The wearhog is not well designed. It encourages you to only spam 4 combos because the lack of enemy variety and punishes you if you try to do anything else. Like if you fail the QTEs it not only damages you but it heals the enemy so it’s more effective just to spam the most OP moves.The medal hunting is there just to pad out the game and are made purposefully annoying to get. The Tornado sections are pretty boring and so is the final boss. The game is not objectively the best.

[@rhymerlegend2717]

@ personably I love it. And I use a ton of different combo moves as I continue to power up the werehog. I think it just depends on how you play the game. I thin the combat is a ton better than Frontiers combat where I feel I spam the same button

[@ominicronikal0902]

Sonic X Season 3 is the pinnacle of Sonic stories. Amazing characters, amazing plot, amazing humor, & amazing spectacles. The story alone solos any other stories in the franchise. (Im looking at you Sa2 & Unleashed)

[@kevinkong64]

0:58 THERE I AM GARY! THERE I AM!

[@joshshrum2764]

Interesting opinion.

[@talobsta]

Sonic adventure 2 is REALLY overrated and sonic adventure 1 is better in almost every way gameplay wise

[@Carlos-mj2ns]

Here's what I think (I'm really sorry about the 3rd one though, you don't have to read it): 1. I dislike when people trash talk about Sonic Mania, much moreso attack Christian Whitehead's credibility, because of it using old levels, despite SEGA telling them to do so even though they didn't want to do that. Even then, the reused levels had their own flair of originality 2. I don't like Sonic Superstars at all. It's easily the weakest mainline Classic Sonic around. Not a fan of the way the physics work, some boss fights make you wait too long to get another hit in, and Knuckles is almost completely unviable in the game. Sonic Team may as well given his spot to someone else like Mighty or Ray, or a Chaotix member. You can like what you like, but I will never understand what good people see in it. 3. This Sonic powerscaling trend has gotten overrated and out of hand. It's a lot of people just glazing how powerful Sonic and the cast are, but in doing so, forgoing each game's context and actual established lore, like people wanting to bring up how Knuckles, Tails, and Amy outran a black hole in Sonic Shuffle while ignoring that it was an imagination world where they had control over what was happening and they were assisted by one of the world's creators or Sonic & the Secret Rings where he was dealing with Erazor Djinn and his power while also forgetting Shahra assisted him heavily and was granting him power ups and bonuses throughout the story, including Speed Break and Time Break. Even this crazy agenda that Infinite is stronger than endgame Solaris just because Infinite was advertised to be Sonic's most powerful foe at the time, granted 06 and Solaris were wiped out from the timeline completely and nothing Infinite has demonstrated is on the level of what Solaris has accomplished. Even people claiming Super Sonic is a form that can be held indefinitely because of the ending in Sonic Advance 1 despite other games showing otherwise and that it's unclear what actually happened in the end of the game for that to happen. Last straw was the Death Battle of Bowser vs Eggman that Eggman lost and instead of people coming up with scenarios where Eggman could have better used his smarts, Sonic fans are instead giving him access to mechs and machines he can not use, like giving him access to Egg Wizard that was only possible because of Eggman Nega who has finessed Eggman multiple times and made sure he'd never be able to replicate his work in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2, or giving him access to robots that canonically refuse to work for him (Omega and Mecha Sonic), or misinterpreted Sage when it came to the Titans as she never controlled them, just influenced their function to protect the island they were made to do, but she wasn't capable of controlling their every action, or people trying to scale Eggman to being as strong as Sonic when Sonic has *NEVER* remotely struggled against Eggman, and the very few times Eggman managed to get the drop on Sonic, Eggman had serious outside help. I feel it's become very disingenuous and Sonic powerscaling has become the new Dragon Ball Z meme of don't ask us ______ fans. We didn't read our stuff.

[@ballooningen]

Fr the powerscaling stuff be annoying and takes stuff out of context for an agenda

[@Orange_Swirl]

"I like Sonic Mania less and less the more I replay because it has little fully original stages ." Me: "That why I like Sonic Superstars better." I'm gonna steal your onion rings. None of Sonic Superstars "original stages" do not strike me as special or innovative. I do not know how you could feel that way

[@Zerosaber91]

I dont know why someone would dislike a game for using sprites they have seen before, like unoriginality doesnt ruin fun. Mania also expanded upon the old zones, zones like Chemical Plant feel completely different in Act 2. Sonic Superstars doesn't really have much "uniqueness" in its levels. Bridge Island is a Green Hill-like, Speed Jungle is a normal jungle, Sky Temple is a normal temple in the sky, Egg Fortress is a normal space base...

[@SuspiciousCat13]

Thank you for restraining yourself and not making another low taper fade joke 😅

[@shaulov10]

@SuspiciousCat13 it took every ounce of willpower I had

[@igottakirbranger8995]

Black Knight is underrated

[@shaulov10]

Nah it’s properly rated

[@spencermaley4390]

My biggest “Hot Take” is that SEGA should have done more when remastering Generations for SxSG. For one, why aren’t Classic Amy and Knuckes here? Another would be Classics physics; they already were questionable in the original, but now that the drop dash is here, it only exacerbates the fact that Classic can’t properly roll. Even worse is the fact that they probably won’t fix it, either.

[@shaulov10]

I kinda agree but for different reason. I think they needed to be more of a remaster and make the game look better. But changing the core game I’m not super for

[@Kelps.mp4]

Changing Classic Sonic's physics would be a big no no because the levels are fundamentally built with the original physics in mind. They could tweak some things here and there, but it's not really needed.

[@spencermaley4390]

@@Kelps.mp4Showin’s Classic Sonic Improvement Mod shows how good Classic’s physics could be in Generations; it doesn’t break the level design, and just makes Classic overall more fun to play.

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@spencermaley4390 I mean, at some point it did break a lot of things until the creator updated the mod. And CSIM does improve Classic Sonic quite a lot, but the changes that it does are not really needed.

[@spencermaley4390]

@@Kelps.mp4That’s true, but it’d just be nice if they did. Wishful thinking, I suppose.

[@Oc_TheGrunt]

4:27 although i do agree the intro and outrow to cd is amazing people seem to forget how it originally looked on the sega cd (still not bad but not great either)

[@BanTakatsuki]

I’ve always had a hot take about Sonic Boom-I think the character designs are fantastic! Sure, you could argue they’re a bit overdesigned, but I personally would’ve preferred them over the modern 3D designs, which have gotten pretty dull over the years. Amy and Tails, in particular, feel like real improvements, and I love that Sonic's scarf is a reference to Nathan "Nate" Drake from Uncharted. That said, I do recognize that Boom Knuckles is a bit lazy in hindsight. I think a lot of the backlash towards Sonic Boom stems from the perception that it could have been a reboot rather than a spin-off. That’s an understandable reaction, especially since Sega and Sonic Team seemed to be throwing ideas at the wall, hoping one would stick.

[@mr.unsmiley8656]

I think Boom really excelled with its character designs and added some much-needed variety to the normally pretty stale typical Sonic designs.

[@BrassThunder981]

Frontiers is overrated. SA2 mech controls are dogshit. Sonic 1 only has 3 good zones. SA2 only improved on the Lightspeed Dash, the Chao Garden, Music, and graphics, and the artstyle. Everything else got worse or stayed the same. I don't care all that much for the Chao garden. All of the Crush 40 songs that are covers of other Sonic songs (Besides All Hail Shadow) are much worse than the original. For True Story Gens ver. > SA2 ver.

[@Bembiboi]

Nobody disagrees with you on the mech controls

[@Lonelysum]

Jp voice actors are way better and consistent

[@youtubegames6612]

I have to disagree with CD, because I played all the classic games back to back, and CD is the one I least enjoyed, only after sonic 1 (I haven't play superstars yet)

[@2bdaqueen268]

My list of hot takes apparently, first one is I love Sonic which includes the games, movies, cartoons/anime, comics, give me anything Sonic and I’ll most likely love it. I’m fine with versions of Sonic outside the games him not matching his personality 100% I like seeing new takes on him Roger is a good Sonic voice but many want him fired and that’s messed up. Time to accept Jason isn’t coming back, if you want him go to cameo. One game and movie isn’t going to fix all the damage that was already done to shadow’s character Unleashed is the best Sonic game The dark ages weren’t that bad people were just mean I love all the experimenting they did (Unleashed, the storybook and Rush games were pretty good, and Shadow the hedgehog has rubbed off me) As a character I find Sonic more enjoyable then Mario, then again I find the majority of Sonic characters more enjoyable then the Mario ones in general

[@Dark_0verlord]

Now, I could go down the easy route and say something like "Sonic Heroes is my favourite game for the following reasons..." but I want to be more out of the box this time. I guarantee you that few-to-no other people have this take. Lyric from Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric is a good villain, and one of my favourite Sonic villains. Hear me out on this one. Starting with his design, he easily has one of my favourite designs of any Sonic villain. He's a snake in a robotic suit. Not only is that very unique with him being the only snake character in a Sonic game, but just the concept alone is awesome. He's a SNAKE in a ROBOTIC SUIT. Apparently the decision to make him a snake was based on the snake in the Biblical Garden of Eden story, so that's cool. His name is admittedly weird, but I like it. Maybe it's just because I've gotten used to it, but I don't really have any problems with his name now. Lyric's voice is really cool. Patrick Sietz is far from the most iconic voice actor in the Sonic franchise, with his only other notable roles in Sonic being the voice actor of Zomnom in Sonic Lost World and Zavok in Team Sonic Racing, but I love his performance as Lyric. His voice carries this sinister sense of malice and hatred that fits the character perfectly. Speaking of his character, even if his personality isn't the most unique, I think he has enough good elements that make him better than villains like Infinite and Zavok. His backstory is that he wanted to experiment with the Chaos Crystals so he could uncover their power, but the other Ancients did not warn him about how experimenting with the Chaos Crystals would lead to him getting sick, and despite their best efforts, the Ancients were unable to heal Lyric with their organic medicines, leading to Lyric having to make his robotic suit to keep himself alive. This incident led to Lyric developing resentment towards his fellow Ancients for failing to warn and heal him, and he also developed a twisted view on technology, believing it to be superior to organic life due to it saving him while the medicines could not. This delusion and resentment led to him essentially going insane and waging war on all organic life. He seized control of the Ancient's resources and constructed a powerful army of robots so he could rid the world of "everything that lives and breathes" and "rebuild it into a glorious world of metal", though he needed the power of the Chaos Crystals to accomplish his goal. The other Ancients, now knowing the threat Lyric posed, hid the Chaos Crystals from him, but Lyric knew that they had constructed a map to their locations, and he soon succeeded in retrieving it. Fortunately, before Lyric could find the Chaos Crystals, a rouge MAIA unit managed to hijack one of Lyric's Sentinels and destroy his facility thanks to the help of Sonic and Tails who arrived via time travel. Sonic and Tails also succeeded in trapping Lyric in a room, allowing the other Ancients to capture Lyric and imprison him in his tomb. Lyric did have a backup plan, and that was to leave his robots lying around in a deactivated state so someone in the future would find them and eventually stumble upon his tomb, leading to him being freed, and that's exactly what happened. 1000 years later, Dr. Eggman discovered Lyric's robots and inducted them into his army, and he unknowingly led Team Sonic into Lyric's tomb, where Lyric would be freed from his imprisonment by them. Honestly, Lyric may have one of the most in-depth backstories of any Sonic villain. I don't think I could write this much about any other Sonic villains' backstory aside from Gerald Robotnik. CONTINUED IN REPLIES

[@Dark_0verlord]

His actions in the story when the game takes place aren't super interesting, but he still does show a good amount of competency throughout the story. When they first meet, Lyric tricks Sonic into breaking his restraints, uses the Enerbeams to restrain Team Sonic, and leaves them to rot, though Tails manages to reprogram the Enerbeams and deactivate them. Soon after he escapes, Lyric quickly regains control of his army and forms an alliance with Dr. Eggman (though really it's just Eggman working for Lyric). Suspecting that Team Sonic has the map to the Chaos Crystals, he sends Eggman to retrieve it, though he fails, and the two believe that Team Sonic had perished after going over a waterfall. Lyric had anticipated Eggman's failure, so he sent out his Driller Worms to find the Chaos Crystals. Upon learning that Team Sonic survived their fall, Lyric decides to let Team Sonic do the searching for him and try to steal the Chaos Crystals from them when he had the chance. When Eggman breaks the alliance and tries to attack Lyric with Metal Sonic, Lyric easily takes control of Metal Sonic, makes him attack Eggman, and then sends him to find the Verdant Crystal. While Lyric is salvaging components and searching for the Tidal Crystal in Creeper Gorge, Eggman, still salty over being made a mockery of by Lyric, tries to attack Lyric with his Eggman Mech, and he reveals that since it's a mech, not a robot, Lyric is unable to control it. This doesn't matter though since Eggman misses all of his shots, and Lyric just flies away after mocking Eggman yet again. Upon reaching the Sky Crystal, Team Sonic is ambushed by Lyric and several of his robots. Lyric demands that Knuckles, Tails, and Amy hand over the Chaos Crystals or he'll kill Sonic, and they quickly oblige. Lyric then obviously does not go through with his deal and kills Sonic anyway, but Sonic survives because plot armour (That's not a slight against Lyric's character. That's just the story being dumb). Lyric then returns to his lair and prepares to finally put his grand plan into action. This leads to the final showdown between him and Team Sonic in a pretty good final boss battle. After his defeat, Lyric realised that Team Sonic was using the Enerbeams, so he managed to regain control of them and restrain Team Sonic again, but before he could finish them off, Eggman managed to get his revenge by landing a shot on Lyric with his Eggman Mech before falling over. Team Sonic then uses the Enerbeams to restrain Lyric, and Sonic rips out the device Lyric was using to control his robots before throwing it away, leaving Lyric completely powerless. We unfortunately don't get to see what becomes of Lyric after this, but Eggman does find his control device and regains control of Metal Sonic. Interestingly, the Japanese version of the game has Shadow be mind controlled by Lyric via a mind control chip, explaining why he was fighting Sonic and Tails in Lyric's Facility. This detail was omitted in the other versions, with Shadow fighting Sonic and Tails simply because he wants to. Another interesting detail is that Q-N-C is shown to be working with Lyric in the past, but he is working with Cliff in the present, meaning he redeemed himself sometime after Lyric was imprisoned. Q-N-C also helps Sonic and Amy while they are in the Ocean Purification Plant, and he helps Team Sonic make their way through Lyric's Lair. Going back to his boss battle, it's honestly pretty good despite its flaws. Yes, the game's combat is incredibly simple, but it isn't as egregious here due to how the battle is structured. You first dodge Lyric's attacks while fighting some enemies, then Lyric comes down to attack you directly and you deal damage to him. This repeats until you've dealt enough damage to open up one of the paths to some of the Chaos Crystals. Then you have to go through a short obstacle course designed around one of the character's abilities, get the Chaos Crystals, and then return to the arena to repeat the process. The enemies get tougher and Lyric gains new attacks with each phase, making the battle more interesting. The biggest and most glaring flaw with this battle is the complete lack of consequences. You can get hit and die as many times as you want, but it changes absolutely nothing. This boss, like every other boss in the game, is incredibly easy just due to how there is really no danger in the fight. This gets circumvented with self-imposed challenges, but it ruins the difficulty for a casual playthrough. There's also the problem of the character's never shutting up, but that's a problem that plagues the entire game. In terms of personality, Lyric's got the expected traits of a villain. He's arrogant, vengeful, remorseless, ruthless, dishonest, intelligent, power-hungry, serious, and intimidating. That isn't to say he doesn't have any unique traits. He possesses a level of sarcastic wit, as shown when he taunts Sonic for his predictability after being freed, and when he mocks Eggman after the latter misses all of his shots. He usually remains calm and collected, however during the final battle, he snaps and is driven into a furious, savage, and almost animal-like rage. His love for technology is different from Eggman's, because while Eggman mainly uses technology as a means to an end for his goals and he doesn't seek to wipe out all life, just conquer it, Lyric basically worships technology and has an intense disdain for anything organic. Lyric could be considered a more extreme version of Eggman in a way. One aspect of Lyric I find very interesting is his musical motif. Obviously nobody besides me and a few others would remember it due to the reputation that Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric's OST has, but if you pay close attention to the melody during the music associated with Lyric such as his Lair and Boss themes, you will find a motif present throughout them. It reminds me of Kung Fu Panda which did a similar thing with its villains (most notably with General Kai). I must mention that I am purely talking about Lyric from Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric. Lyric did also appear in Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal, but he has a different story and isn't as interesting or deep. He still wants to conquer the world with technology, but the detail of him going insane and obsessing over technology because it saved his life is not present, leading to him just being a standard power-hungry villain. Lyric does mind control Shadow, and he captures Amy and tries to rip the knowledge of the Crystal Shard's location from her mind, but he still isn't as active of a threat throughout the story like his Rise of Lyric incarnation was. Lyric is by no means a perfect villain, but I feel like he's a lot better than people give him credit for. I highly doubt we'll ever see Lyric again simply due to how massive of a failure Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was, but Amy did mention Sticks at the end of Sonic Frontiers, so there may be an absolutely minuscule chance that Lyric could come back and be given a second chance. If Black Doom can be revitalised in a modern title despite his initial negative reception, then maybe Lyric could too.

[@Yali_iNinview]

Here are my hot takes: Sonic heroes is the best 3d sonic game Sonic unleashed was the best boost game until shadow gens colors is one of the worst modern sonic games My classic sonic games ranking is: 1. Sonic Mania 2. Sonic 2 3. Sonic 3&k 4. Sonic cd 5. Sonic superstars 6. Sonic 1 (still an amazing sonic game) Sonic gens classic sonic is really bad Classic sonic has the best sonic games Sonic riders zero gravity is the best sonic racing game Sonic lost world is really overhated Marble zone from sonic 1 isn’t as bad as people make is it’s quite a good level Oil ocean zone is overhated Sonic mania and sonic cd has the best music of all sonic games The original sonic generations is a little bit overrated, it’s like a 8/10 (modern sonic is mostly really good but classic sonic here isn’t good at all) The werehog is really fun Want me to continue?

[@lordrambo7898]

I like sonic underground 🤷🏾‍♂️ I wish manic & sonia can become cannon in some way or show up in spin offs. I want the cartoon to have a remake and finish its story with changes of course , such as getting actual good singers lol

[@ItYaBoiGreen]

I kinda agree with the mania take how slowly overtime it moves down my favorite sonic games list. It was once at number 2 but then I just started playing the hell out of adventure 1 trying to 100% it and mania became number 3. I think mania is a wonderful game but Everytime I try to play it I just get bored sometimes.

[@shaulov10]

Yeah. I think it was 100% a product of its time. It’s still a great game. But I find myself playing it not as much as others

[@robonautico]

Sonic unleashed mid at best? aint no way bro 😭😭😭

[@Grovicalsoda]

i feel like the boom era was the worst period in sonic history because sonic had just got all the good faith back in him from generations colors & lost world was a mediocre game at worst & if Sega just keep making good sonic games & they would be set but when they hire big red button to make a spinoff for the sonic series at first things seem fine until Sega decided to change the whole project on a dime by first asking it to have more speed (i feel like that first one is fair because after reading all the interviews & stuff even if sega didn't interfere it would be the most generic kids platformer on the planet & definitely isn't sonic type of gameplay) but then they started asking for more stuff like changing the designs, changing the story, changing the stages, but these next 2 things killed whatever chance they have first was sega calling a studio to make the show out of the sub series but the development team had to fit the game to fit the tone of the show instead of the other way around & sega not mentioning the fact that they had to develop the wii u instead of a pc etc & not telling them about the deal about it & they still have a deadline to meet with the unreal engine 4 so it released but unlike sonic 06 it didn't sell well because it was on the wii u & it proved how sega didn't learn shit from 06 & it cause big red button big while sega was forced to bleed money & lost them a lot of money & if it wasnt for the movies & they would still struggle with no money for years its how forces & frontiers look as bad as they look (i meant frontiers at launch) the boom brand was the only thing we had during those 3 years, the first 3ds game was bland as hell & honestly the worst 2d sonic game outside of sonic genesis or sonic jam on game com the other one is ok i don't see anything except ok, the sonic boom show was decent & i did like it jokes but making it a comedy show definitely backfired because it still tried to be an action show but you could clearly tell they just wanted a comedy instead in the first season & this royally screwed over the toyline of the show these things did not sold well because they keep making variants of characters that appears like space sonic or parallel eggman & this makes the sonic boom toys sold terribly & this made stores not want to sell sonic toys outside of the main 3 & shadow for a while, & the show was getting screwed over from cn themselves it was airing around early mornings like 3 & later it was airing on boomerang you know the place where shows dies? so from both factions being really bad to the show the second season of the show had massive budget cuts & it still the better season in fact it was great but by that point it was too little too late for the boom brand & the show was like the only thing keeping the boom brand alive & the entire time no mainline sonic in sight so fans of knuckles & shadow (i like boom knuckles but i dont like him as a version of knuckles & see him as a different thing all together & boom shadow is what sega thought shadow was before shadow generations) & fan of others like silver blaze espio charmy etc are all left in the dark until sonic mania & sonic forces & then the boom brand was dead looking back at the boom brand it is an example how to not start a different brand of a franchise , everything that went wrong did happen & i honestly blamed Sega for all of this it wasn't big red button & wild brains fault for all of this to happen it was sega fault for everything & they got punished severely for it took sonic mania sonic forces the movies sonic frontiers etc to undo the damage the boom brand has cost to Sega & i honestly think the boom brand did more damage to Sega then 06 & the other dark era games did yes they all sucked but they all sold incredibly well to Sega but the boom brand did the highest damage to sega ever since their declining console years from way back if you reach this far thank you for reading this comment post & have a nice day :)

[@KOTSOSMC2002]

Almost all of these should be cold takes, unfortunately the fanbase remains too stubborn and spiteful about many things.

[@megasonic364gaming6]

My hot take is that Sonic 4 episode 1 isn’t that bad and and is kinda decent and fun to speedrun

[@drewey-oh6484]

This is my own hot take but I suprised nobody else says shadow generations sucked, like those controls were awful

[@shaulov10]

Maybe because the game doesn’t suck

[@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty]

Let the hype die down, and you'll have everyone dunking on it like they did every other game that came before it.

[@devusuresh6513]

My hot take: Amy is colour blind cuz she got mixed up with sonic when she saw shadow and silver 💀

[@DaviTalks-q3o]

1:09 It was meant to be listen don't judge but I JUST CAN"T HELP MYSELF now...... (deep breath) sonic adventure has NOTHING to do with classic sonic, the classics were about earning speed, sonic adventure gave you everything for free with the spindash, the classics had loops as a challenge for players, sonic advnture scripted all those things, the classics had sonic keeping his momentum while attacking enemies, sonic adventure kills you momentum when attacking enemies SA2 was only made MORE different than classic sonic later on But instead of judging those games as classic games if we judge those games by what they are and see that was NOT the vision intended by the designers you see wonderful gameplay with such a special rythmic flow to it like NO other and such a high skill cieling, for both speedrunning in SA1 or the best scores in SA2

[@camocaplamo]

Sa2 is overrated Sa2 is a great game I love sa2 but I think it gets slot of undeserving praise that it’s this “flawless masterpiece” I’d say it’s a downgrade from sa1 in nearly every way I think it’s a high A tier game but not S tier A great game but not a amazing one

[@shaulov10]

I agree honestly

[@Kelps.mp4]

It's a high C to low B for me, and I do think it's a downgrade from SA1.

[@camocaplamo]

@@Kelps.mp4 I remember for a while I genuinely hated SA2 until my love for the game was rekindled with mods in order to make the game more similar to the Dreamcast version Because ya know the steams ports are awful They need to make new remasters of these games available on modern consoles Remasters that aren’t shit I shouldn’t have to tell people what mods they need to install just to recommend a sonic game to them ya know?

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@camocaplamo People shouldn't have to recommend mods to even play the game like it was supposed to, but hey this is Sonic.

[@camocaplamo]

@Kelps.mp4 the adventure games are absolute classics and the definitive ways to play them should be easily accessible for people on all platforms

[@FirstBorn-e6g]

Sonic 3D Blast is actually a great game

[@shaulov10]

Brother…

[@FirstBorn-e6g]

Specifically the saturn/pc version​@@shaulov10

[@GideonHannsz-ht3qm]

​@shaulov10 I can confirm Not the same kinda game as others in the series, but still a great title I would consider it mainline

[@FirstBorn-e6g]

Real man its so slept on istg​@GideonHannsz-ht3qm

[@bluestreaksthehedgehog.]

My Hot Take: 06 had the worst story but great level design, while Sonic Colors had mid level Design but a good story

[@shaulov10]

I almost agree with you, but I still think that colors has really good level design

[@ballooningen]

Pariahs video of sonic 06 made me realize how bad the story is

[@sikosonix901]

I 100% agree with the Forces one. As a game, it really isn't that bad. The definition of mid. But it's because of the circumstances around it and how we were advertised, people genuinely hate it. And while I disagree, I completely understand. After coming to the knowledge of this, I genuinely feel sorry for them. They got burned hard. Edit: Just finished the video. That last take was brutal. Not because I disagree, but because I can relate. Seeing the same zones from previous games is honestly so unfortunate knowing that the devs wanted to do a fully original game. While it's not as a big of a deal to me, it definitely makes replays much more boring. Here's my hot take. F*ck Sonic stories. 🖕 Gotcha attention. Now hear me out. From what I've seen, a lot of love for Sonic comes from the world and characters. Since it's one of the few cartoony franchises to have extensive lore. The only other ones I can think of are Kirby and Ninjago. Because of that, a lot of people will associate good Sonic games with grand stories. And I say that's bullshit. Cuz how are you going to use a games story to excuse gameplay? Yeah I'm looking at you *Sonic Adventure 2* fans. This is the prime example. The story is amazing, don't get me wrong. But when only a third of your game is peak gameplay, how is the whole game peak? I don't get. And because of this, people will knock down games for having a "bad story" or "wrong characterisation". It very well could be just preference they treat as fact, or they are taking something seriously that was never meant to. Take Generations for example. People say the game has a bad story, but that makes no sense since it doesn't have one. And the game makes no effort to hide that. Yet people are out here acting like it brings down the experience. Brother, *it was never part in the first place* . Colors gets this treatment too. They say "Sonic is being mischaracterized", but I'm wondering where the hell the characterization they want would fit in a game like Colors. Sonic: "I just gotta do what I gotta do!" Tails: "Wh- what? No one's stopping you Sonic, why the heroic speech?" And don't get me started on Frontiers. The amount of over analyzation done on Ian's work is insane. All to just say "me want black knight" for the 100th time. Why does Sonic need to be this specific thing so badly? It's not going make the stories infinitely better. Sonic is a video game character, not a real person. He will bend to the will of the game direction. You don't have to like it, but don't critique them for simply being different. It really seems like people are just projecting what they like about Sonic onto games that never needed it. I get it. That was his entire uniqueness in the 2000s gaming industry. But times have changed. Sonic gameplay has improved so much. He doesn't need a grand and emotional plot to be good. The thing that comes first and foremost with any game, is gameplay. Stories are never that important. Gameplay alone is enough for Sonic to succeed. Look at Sonic 1, 2, Mania, Superstars, Colors, Generations. All of these are much more light-hearted games, but the games are still really good. If you can't enjoy Sonic games without deep plots, that's okay. But thats a you problem, not the game's. Now that you've heard me out, I'll retract my first statement. "F*ck Sonic stories. 🖕". Instead, I say thank you Sonic Stories. 🙏 You made Sonic what he is today. But you aren't all Sonic is. Give space for everything else, everyone deserves to have their favourite aspect shine.

[@Zerosaber91]

Finally, someone said this. I dont understand the love for Sonic stories when story based Sonic games were left in 2006. Thats like saying Super Mario games are bad because they lack a good story. That being said, i still think Sonic Colors had a good story. Except I dont care about it, but still, people really overhate Sonic Colors because of the story.

[@sikosonix901]

@Zerosaber91 I once hated the story of Colors simply because others did. But I matured, and gained an opinion of my own. "Wait, so you legitimately think 'Baldy McNosehair' is funny?" "Yes it is, and I'm tired of pretending it's not."

[@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty]

@@Zerosaber91 There is such a thing called "a format that works" in story telling, and it just so happens that Storybook Sonic is better written than most if not all of the other versions of Game Sonic. You can disagree on whether it's well written, but don't act all confused about it, when the reason is so obvious.

[@thepetekidyt]

SONIC HEROES IS GOOD, SONIC SUPERSTARS SUCKS, SONIC’S SPRITE IN SONIC 3 IS CHEEKS, AND I LOVE SONIC 4 EP 2 KILL ME I DONT CARE. ALSO SONIC WAS THE BEST PLATFORMER OF THE 90’S, yes the BEST ONE

[@shaulov10]

This is the evil sonic take

[@thepetekidyt]

Yeah no this is the right opinion and your opinion is wrong

[@Kelps.mp4]

Agree. Disagree. Neutral. That's your opinion but I think it's complete garbage. I don't know, I don't play many retro platformers other than Mario and Sonic.

[@andraw4002]

I don't remember commenting this.

[@KelvinMalpass]

Finally a sonic heroes hater

[@squarethinkingdude]

Hell yeah, long live money zone (golden capital)

[@SparklingJam]

6:08 I got a forces ad

[@TheChaoFusion]

Sonic heroes isn’t bad people just have a skill issue and need to remember that literally ONE person made half of the levels

[@shaulov10]

Yeah cause when a spring literally doesn’t work and I die, or the light speed dash just doesn’t work, or when I get thrown off a ramp because the splines are buggy. that’s a “skill issue”

[@Kelps.mp4]

​@@shaulov10I have never ever had any of these problems. So until I get any of these glitches, I still call skill issue.

[@dotproduct335]

I really like Heroes, but the game is downright broken at some point…

[@joshshrum2764]

Okay so.

[@TheChaoFusion]

@@dotproduct335 never said I didn’t throw my controller across the room in lost jungle when I couldn’t light speed dash

[@deadpoolwade-de7jm]

My hot take, please guys don't hate me but i think cd even though i kinda like it its overrated the time travel ability felt annoying and tedious and the placement for the floating time machines things were terrible, like why do i have to risk myself getting crushed i can get to the machine i feel like sonic 2 had better level design better boss battle and better and funnier and memorable levels and it gave you a reward of super sonic, i feel like sonic 2 has more going for it then cd which i feel like its mostly carried by its sound track and opening but that just my opinion and i really just don't see how cd is a top 3 sonic game when it has so many problems with the levels to the boss battle and i know im going to get hate for this but i put it below sonic one, i don't hate cd but i don't see how it has anything over sonic mania or sonic 2 or 3 who was able to perfect the classic formula snd give it such a fresh start and also my hot take on super stars well its not the worst game i played it has to many problems to the boss fights to the music to the level design yeah they are original but is doesn't mean better when there very tedious or just uncreative or just levels i feel like they pulled out from sonic 4 and most of the original levels are jusr re skins of classic game golden capital is just re skin casino night zone and that sand level is just a re skin of sandoples no actually it play like that level from sonic 4 ep 2 the only good level was the first one in superstars but yeah thats my hot take.

[@Silence-qm3ku]

Hot Take 1: Rail physics in SA2 are unacceptable. I cant have fun in Space Colony speed levels due to horrible homing attack and rails doing whatever they want. Hot Take 2: Infinite's character is absolutely perfect for the story of Sonic Forces. The contrast between guy who seeks power to fight his insecurities to further isolate himself vs. your OC who becomes powerful through his/her kindness and will to help his/her friends is peak Sonic Storytellling

[@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty]

Number two is a hot take if I've ever seen one. These two characters mirroring each other does not make them or the story "good", especially since this is quite literally the main hero/villain dynamic in the overwhelming majority of fiction. Infinite is a wasted character they could've written an actual good story around but didn't, because they don't have the balls nor the talent to write anything serious. I love Infinite's design and powers, but let's not kid ourselves here: Sonic Forces was a shitshow from beginning to end.

[@Silence-qm3ku]

@@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty I love his design and especially voice too. He looks like an absolute joke a prime edgelord loser, a parody of Shadow or Mephiles. Someone who wants others to see him as badass when in fact he looks absolutely pathetic. Thats why his personality fits so much.

[@JasLamArr91]

I actually enjoyed Sonic 06, Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric and Sonic Lost World. I also enjoyed Superstars more than I did Mania. Mania is great and a beautiful 2D Sonic game, but it still was 85% same old same old.

[@cherry_flavored_content]

My personal Sonic hot take is that I super don't care about the IDW comics lol They are difficult to find where I live so my only impression of the comics is the panels and commentary pieces that people show online, in which I've seen some questionable character writing (mainly for Sonic and Shadow, which yikes), some very neat moments and action scenes, and the original characters that get more development than the normal guys. This could be wrong for all I know, but the impression the comic gives me is that I wouldn't enjoy reading it, whereas the Archie Comics, for as insane and objectively bad as some of its stories are, features a lot more of strong character moments that not necessarily tie into super flashy action sequences (like the Super Sonic vs Enerjak fight where Sonic never actually fights but instead toys with Knuckles to try to bring him to his senses with the familiarity of their rivalry and whatnot)

[@Kelps.mp4]

The story of Sonic games (video games in general really but that's a discussion for another time) should not be favored above all other categories. Sonic Adventure 2 is kinda boring. Sonic Heroes and Sonic Superstars are grossly overhated games. Especially Superstars. Sonic Lost World is underhated, fuck that game. Sonic Mania is more original than Superstars in some ways, and it's way better.

[@danishdiana102]

My hot take: Sonic Generations is overrated, classic sonic isn’t fun for me to control, and it doesn’t feel like it’s adding that much new to the older levels for me to wanna play it other the original games versions of those levels, and yes that includes Sonic 06 Crisis city, anyways congrats on 9K, you should be proud

[@AR-Aiden]

I have been waiting for this moment and I hope sonic fans dont get mad at me Here's my hot takes : Sonic Heroes is better than Sonic Adventure 1&2 and its much memorable Sonic Mania isn't as good as people say ( I'm just saying its good, not masterpiece) Sonic 4 ep 1&2 are overhated and OSTs are not bad Sonic Superstars is a mid game And for the last one Jun Senoue > Tee Lopes

[@justwantedytprem]

“Sonic Unleashed was like mid at best” me when I lie. On a more serious note, I felt that Sonic Frontiers was a better game previous to the final horizon update, the last island lacks direction, you never know where to go or what to do, everything feels unintuitive and the design lacked thought behind it. The final boss as well, nobody tells you anything as to how to beat it unless you collected everything on the island or something like that. The cyberspace levels felt more like “well fans like jumping long ass distances and stuff, let’s make a level where you can skip everything with a jump on low gravity”, while the original levels weren’t designed with the Frontiers movement in mind, when speed running felt amazing, snappy, like everything fits nicely, but the newer levels didn’t reach that feeling for me.

[@KenjiTHH]

Alright, if you will make a part 2 I'd like to throw my 2 cents in on this, and say Shadow gens is not really a sonic game, now let me explain. While the game's level design, and controls are great, it still lacks a lot from what I'd consider a sonic, making it lean into a different thing entirely, and now become any other platformer game, just disguised as a sonic game, but why? There are a couple things I'd want from a sonic: 1. The m word *I'm not funny Ik* 2. Speed 3. Difficulty 4. Freedom in movement 5. Lively environments For me it only crosses the Difficulty requirement, while the rest is completely lacking other than kingdom valley, and sunset heights a lot of these stages feel dull, and empty they lack this thing I really can't put into words, but if you for example put Space colony ark, and compare it to SA2 where it made it's appearance for the first time and you'll get what I mean, same with Chaos island, all of these levels feel dull, while if you look at frontiers islands *they're pretty dull yeah* they somehow still do a better job at making me feel I am somewhere, rather than a big box.. And the game doesn't feel like it's leaving you a lot of options with your movement, it's slow, stiff to a degree, and really feels like you're carrying an elephant while moving, everything is just sluggish, with its saving grace being the quick slide, and it's other quirks because that leaves out a lot of options for you, hell it even makes you faster *yes it does rlly* while everything is so heavy, reason why I liked frontiers physics a lot, is because of how it was able to mix the boost, and adventure physics together, sonic is able to turn amazingly, his normal boost felt like something the adventure games would have, and the blue boost is where the current boost physics come in, with it's saving grace having better turning thrown into the mix, and then you have jump declaration, and the spin-dash, etc. Where shadow gens fails at that, and it isn't even fast... the boost games had sonic go to the left, or right pretty seamlessly, even if they were pretty fast, I could steer sonic, and actually feel nice doing it, and with the quick step, the hop, and how the levels were designed the speed you instantly get, also gives you a lot of freedom. For me if they ironed out the frontiers physics, and had it focus more on momentum I'd say they'd get the movement down. Shadow gens is a 9/10 game don't get me wrong, but it's a 9/10 *game*, but I still believe that they can pull this off well. the Tokyo DLC, the mentioned levels, hell the Tokyo DLC for some reason has some physics tweaks that fixes some of my complaints faster shadow, faster turning, less jump deceleration, etc. In a sense this game is trying to be a sonic game, and to a extent got it down.

[@spence8507]

8:13 wait WTF. I've never played most of Lost World what the hell am I looking at.

[@shaulov10]

This is the nights into dreams Level

[@RayaneBslm]

It is a dlc for lost world that is basically a boss rush against the zeties but with some nights into dreams theme to it

[@Undervoid0]

“Wook at it souwy as a game”

[@jose_studios09]

Hot take, Sonic 2 sucks in my opinion. After Mystic Cave Zone, everything just dies down. And the special stages suck. Though it has great music, it never was to me “a step up”.

[@shaulov10]

I think the only bad part for me is oil ocean and metropolise.

[@TOASTY-100]

I think sonic 1 is way more inconsistent in terms of levels

[@lgill6710]

Do this video again, but just act like a typical Twitter user throughout, would be even more entertaining 👍

[@shaulov10]

so... be condescending and rude. gotcha

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Nice Video.

[@requiem6465]

My hot take is that Labyrinth Zone is the third best zone on Sonic 1, and Marble Zone is the worst.

[@DarkK-90989]

Ok, please don't hate: Superstars > Mania

[@Water90435]

😐

[@shaulov10]

I agree actually

[@DarkK-90989]

@@shaulov10 YEAAAAAH

[@leelewis445]

I would be curious as to why you feel so (both OP and shaulov). Out the two, I only own Mania at the moment, with intentions to buy Superstars at some point soon. I love Mania and understand what it is that makes that experience a fan favorite. Yet I have seen the general, middling to negative, impression on Superstars, though I haven't watched anything in depth, as to experience most of it myself.

[@DarkK-90989]

@@leelewis445 Mania isn't original. Most of act 1's are a chore to get trough. The music is amazing. Grapichs are top notch. Act 2's are spectctural. But, superstars levels are also really good. Some tracks are awful, bosses are garbage. Emerald powers are really fun. So, why do i prefer it? I dont know! For me superstars just clicks! Mania is a 9/10. Superstars is 7/10. But i still prefer superstars.

[@debisi5067]

Forces is good. Sorry

[@shaulov10]

uh huh

[@andraw4002]

No it isn't. I honestly think it's more disrespectful to call it good because even "bad" goes had more effort put into it. I like the music but the level design might aswell be AI generated.

[@ws0909]

Objectively wrong.

[@arbitrary_dumpster-fire]

"the adventure era was the worst" physically hurt me bro

[@shaulov10]

These hot takes are too hot

[@somemadnessfan4763]

my hot take?. Sonic Boom is a good franchise, Rise of Lyric is the one black sheep that everyone points at the show was GOATED Shattered Crystal was mid at worst Fire and Ice was genuinely a good game the comics were funny Dash 2 was a vast improvement to OG Dash, to the point that some of Dash 2's mechanics are now being carried over to OG Dash in a recent update

[@shaulov10]

Idk. I think it’s mediocre at best. It is such a departure from what sonic is, and is not why I want to play a sonic game

[@somemadnessfan4763]

@@shaulov10 fair, but again. It's an alt subseries that's unconnected to the main games. If the game characters started to act like the Boom counterparts, it'd be dissapointed

[@NinjaElectroYoutuber]

8:08 Apparently it wasn't just Sonic Lost World that grew

[@shaulov10]

Aight bruh

[@rhymerlegend2717]

My hot take: I like sonic and the secrets rings. It used to be in my top ten before shadow generations. I have a love hate relationship with it

[@shaulov10]

Everything is good about the game EXCEPT the gameplay

[@rhymerlegend2717]

@ I agree gameplay is so bad

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

My take: Japanese Sonic is better than the western portrayals and is the true Sonic The characterisations and personalities are way more consistent and the scripts are usually better, the only exception to this is the Japanese Frontiers script which doesn’t match the character animations at times, but Tails and Amy still had better character arcs in the Kishimoto version The Shadow 05 and Colours scripts in Japanese compared to English is day and night Also Kishimoto did a much better job writing Amy in the Japanese version of frontiers compared to what Ian Flynn did for the English version since she actually has a character arc Amy didn’t need to learn how to share her love to the world, she’s been doing that since day 1 she travelled to little planet in CD since the tarot cards said she’d have a fateful encounter with somebody, in SA1 she helped the flicky reunite with its family and stood up to Sonic in order to save Gamma’s life, then in SA2 she pleaded to Shadow as to why humanity deserves a chance to live a happy life and not for him to take that chance away from them, which also helped him remember a repressed memory of what his promise to Maria actually was, then in Heroes she took charge and became the leader in order to help Cream and Big find Chocola and Froggy, then in 06 she helped Silver look for somebody only for her to butt in and save Sonic’s life when he was about to die Meanwhile in the Japanese version she wants to take some she reflects on what she saw with the ancients and realises that chasing after Sonic in the immediate future isn’t good enough and could potentially put both of them in danger, instead she wants to take some time to figure herself out in order to protect the ones she loves and to truly show Sonic how much he means to her And for Tails, instead of it just being a repeat of his SA1 arc where he wants to become more independent and a hero, in the Japanese version he also recognises that there are things that only he can do which Sonic can’t and he wants to find his own path and style in order to become a hero of his own

[@30THMAN.]

Unleashed is overrated, don't @ me

[@shaulov10]

Real and true

[@therollingcreeper1]

My hot take is that sonic 3d blast is my favorite 3d sonic game. (I'm not joking, if you forced me to play through 3d blast 10 times, I'd have no problem playing through it 10 times)

[@shaulov10]

This is wild I ain’t even gonna hold you

[@Cyx12]

My hot take is the sonic unleashed dlc levels are better than final horizons dlc

[@vilhovarelius1164]

well i got this man to spell my beans of forces damge the sonic fandom

[@shaulov10]

I mean, I’ve been saying this for a while already. It’s not a secret, but I think shadow generations really made that apparent.

[@akinalski]

sonic unleashed is not one of the top 3 sonic games and one of the most glazed ones. i cant actually say i hate the sun n moon medals because a sonic nerd thats actually never played unleashed will say "skill issue"

[@Zerosaber91]

skill issue, you shouldve became a no-life and grind the game for a year. And no, the game has no flaws whatsoever and is the best thing ever created because my dad bought me it when I was 3 years old.

[@xenoglitchy]

I have Some hot takes 1:I think the storybook games are heavily overrated,mainly because I’ve seen people only gazing the characterization but not the games being good games. 2:To me personally,I’m not a big fan with some of the Adventure games voice cast(No hate to the actors themselves),like I’m not sure why but I’m not a big fan of Shadow’s voice in Adventure 2 he kinda rubs me the wrong way,I really dislike Rouge’s voice especially in Heros it doesn’t sound like Rouge to me,Tails to me had to be the worst case for me because in Adventure all the way to Heros Tails Sounds unbearable to me(No offense to the actors of course),& Sonic’s voice sounds very forced,he just sounds like someone trying to sound like a edgy teenager to me. 3:Sonic CD,Colors,& Superstars are some of the most Overhated Sonic games of all time to me & I don’t understand why games like 06 or the storybook games get more of the praise just because characterization. 4:I will never understand the whole Mickey Mouse Clubhouse & Alvin & the chipmunks jokes with the Sonic Movies & Prime. 5: There is no Definitive version of Sonic,there are different Sonic media that people grew with & that’s ok,no one should be looked down on because they like a different version of Sonic,Stuff like that really ticks me off a lot. & 6: Simpler with 5,All Sonic Voice Actors are peak :D

[@doritorancho4735]

Alright, you want an hot take? Sonic 3D Blast ins't a bad game, far from it, it's very good and it was a nice change of pace from all the 2D Platforming at the time, and people that say it sucks just have skill issue. And i would even go far to say that it was better than most modern era slop we had for a lot of years. (plus the directors cut and saturn versions are pretty cool)