The WORST TAKES in the History of ESPN First Take

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[@TheSkeetleDoodle]

How does this affect Andre Drummond's legacy?

[@justaordinarycanadianfello360]

what we aren’t taking into consideration is how does this affect Brandon Bass’s legacy?

[@AJ-nf3bn]

@Raytheslay no

[@love6ic202]

@@AJ-nf3bn might be a conversation to be had in the next few years

[@unosmith8856]

That's nasty bro 💀

[@drewabrahamson3218]

Drummond a top 150 center of all time no cap 😂

[@brando_05]

Sage's take about clutch shots is facts, the NBA itself defines clutch time as the final 5 minutes of a game. And aside from shots, getting stops, rebounds, etc is also clutch, but people think it's just buzzer beaters

[@supercoolguy466]

and max said kawhi is more clutch in most of the facts stops rebounds in that aspect kawhi is massively more clutch and that isn't even a debate

[@brando_05]

@@supercoolguy466 Oh I agree Kawhi is definitely clutch

[@supercoolguy466]

@@brando_05 well i said in all aspects exept shooting kawhi is definitely better than kobe

[@yungbagger4379]

Dude stop it your acting Like max right now

[@supercoolguy466]

@@yungbagger4379 Dude stop you are acting like stephen a smith

[@rickastley8214]

Preventing a clutch “back against the wall” situation is, in and of itself, clutch.

[@unmhking]

@Raytheslay obviously 🤣😅

[@goldlion9066]

@Raytheslay fr like idk why ppl think he’s good, also Sam Bowie was the right pick 😳

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

Anthony Bennett was the single greatest draft pick that a front office in sports history has made or will ever make in the history of Earth. In 2nd place….Martell Webster going 6th.

[@sir2505]

@@goldlion9066 Personally I have Alex Len at 5 but it’s really close

[@goldlion9066]

@@sir2505 Dragan Bender better

[@ad34bballin]

"Imagine someone your size, but really good at basketball." Max straight violated Ryan Hollins on that one

[@skatefang1]

“I played 10 years with who? Antoine brown” is crazy Paul pierce 😭😭😭

[@2WayJdot]

Paul Pierce is so dumb bra 🤣

[@lolstfu2950]

they hate each other, thats why

[@justc1re617]

I swear Max was just playing around with those takes. He's a smart guy he knows what he's saying is wrong

[@fakedan6568]

I ride by my nigga Max, but goddamn, that was an L. I am one of the lowest you will ever see on Kobe. Some days, I dont have him in my top 10, but holy shit, horrible take (though I do think Max knows he was tripping)

[@RONTHEGOAT]

@Raytheslay only here for sage

[@edwardsl0524]

@Raytheslay i miss when he was ben

[@justc1re617]

@Raytheslay idk about that but i totally disagree with his Paul Pierce take. D-wade is the 3rd best sg ever and his peak was better than people give him credit for. His 2006 finals was Jordanesque. Paul didn't win till he had 3 other hall of famers and even then was just one ring

[@johnnybeatmaker330]

That kd not being top 5 after back to back finals mvp's was insane

[@MisterVicky9]

Some of these takes is ass, but don't forget that Russell Westbrook is averaging a triple double

[@Bj-kc9gs]

How are you always here you haven’t missed in 4 years stop go outside

[@Babyoso0]

Wait Russell Westbrook is averaging a triple double like still

[@cowboysfanlonghornsfanspur5132]

@Raytheslay ur probably 13-15

[@tobecontinued987]

@@cowboysfanlonghornsfanspur5132 its probably a joke

[@ASG_lenn]

@Raytheslay wait 4 years this wont be a bad take.

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

I’ve actually never seen Jay Williams be that dramatic. Lol. An astoundingly bad take from Max as usual.

[@symphoofficial1726]

He usually has decent boxing takes, but yeah 9 times out of 10 he has Skip Bayless-esque takes

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

@@symphoofficial1726 Damn. I could understand why he stays away from boxing tho… R.I.P.

[@Pixelatedspearton]

@@mydogsnameislucy768 His brother right

[@ericfurst6091]

Jay Williams is a fanboy. And Max is right, statistically Leonard is a better clutch player than Kobe. Kobe is a volume shooter, thats it.

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

@@ericfurst6091 you’re a nerd who only looks at numbers. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@lessondburn3971]

When u do the research, Kobe is actually the reason that clutch shots are needed. He they type to got 2-10 in the 4th, then hit the game winner. None the less, Will Cain had the best response to this... he said “I’d really love to disagree w Max here, but Stephen A; ur only argument was saying Kobe’s name.”

[@Shemzinho]

There’s been many games where players have shot well and the game need a clutch bucket. Horrible explanation.

[@lessondburn3971]

@@Shemzinho my point is, no one has stated any evidence Kobe was more clutch than Kawhai at that time.. at the end of the day Kobe was extremely inefficient, especially compared to Kawhai

[@BT-dl8in]

@@lessondburn3971 Extremely inefficient is a stretch but I guess if career FG% is what you use to measure efficiency than go off. The league average efficiency in Kawhi's era is around 5% higher by the way, so relative to the era's they played in, the efficiency gap is not as big as you think.

[@dylansimonella599]

@@lessondburn3971 finally someone who speaks sense

[@lessondburn3971]

@@BT-dl8in Even if I give u that... late game % certainly is disparate. I do give Kobe credit for the fact he wasn’t afraid to actually take the shot... only downside; in which his fans and Stephen A/ Jwill fail to acknowledge is that everyone in the arena knew Kobe wasn’t passing it at the buzzer, even if 2 guys are open. That’s why Stephan A ran from the numbers and said... “but look how many memorable moments...” Hell, Tim Duncan (similar demeanor as Kawhai) had some great buzzer beaters, but Kobe is far more flashy and marketable, so I get it.

[@chill_onpark9492]

Wade went crazy in the 06’ finals, no way Paul Pierce and an older Shaq, (not prime Shaq like Paul seemingly was referring to) get the same thing done, they don’t come back down 2-1 against the Mavs

[@thewriter8762]

Thank you bro!!! Niggas be playing D Wade like that. Pierce is not popping off like he did. That’s how they came back. He’d have to have deferred more to lebron in those years to win a chip too. D Wade is the face of not having help and dragging the Heat to be a tough out.

[@Sqeaky6969]

only thing that went crazy was the ft line

[@chill_onpark9492]

@@Sqeaky6969 Pierce wouldn’t have been getting to the FT line like that either way 💀💀

[@Sinfull166]

Would they even be down 2-1?

[@chill_onpark9492]

@@Sinfull166 honestly I think they would still be down, maybe even 3-0 if I’m being 100

[@updownleftright9258]

Paul ain't winning 06, y'all got to stop lmao. Ain't no way he's doing what Dwade had to do in order to win that finals

[@chill_onpark9492]

Thank you!!!!

[@AdolphSaxOfficial]

Real ones know the real 06 FMVP was actually Tim Donaghy

[@ofesp.]

@@AdolphSaxOfficial A man of culture I see

[@AdolphSaxOfficial]

@@ofesp. a man with 2 working eyes and a desire not to live in ignorance really

[@ofesp.]

@@AdolphSaxOfficial All I see is complete facts

[@calvindiprete9947]

Y’all gassing Paul a little too much or sleeping on wade a little dwade was a way better player at his peak than pierce and there’s absolutely 0 chance Paul wins 06 in wades shoes

[@chill_onpark9492]

Yeah I don’t think they get it done in 06’ with pierce instead of Wade, Wade went ballistic in those finals I don’t think Paul does that same thing

[@jordanhenri10]

Agree. Wade’s 06 finals was nuts and Shaq was nowhere near prime Shaq at that point.

[@WingCoe]

@@chill_onpark9492 didnt wade got gifted FT those finals though?

[@Bigedub101]

​@@chill_onpark9492Pierce will win at least 2 more rings, people slept on Pierce and was better shooter

[@ronaldomendoza7578]

Players use the stepback for more space on their shot, Luka does a stepback so he can let you catch up and still drain it just to call you trash as he walks back on defense

[@ketchumplace]

That first take from Max is actually disgusting 🤮

[@YT-ol7ss]

In fairness he was talking up to that stage in their careers I think this was before 09 and 10

[@theheadofthetable4246]

​@@YT-ol7ssdude that clip is from 2020 .

[@UncleYakuza]

Bro wade carried in 06, Paul Pierce n Shaq not winning that 😭

[@alihamoud3520]

Paul pierce is also carrying you’re forgetting how good he was he averaged 27 7 and 5 in 06

[@UncleYakuza]

@@alihamoud3520 yea but we’re talking about wade having one of the greatest finals performances ever.

[@AdolphSaxOfficial]

@@UncleYakuza if he got that many whistles like Wade his ppg woulda went up to 32

[@UncleYakuza]

@@AdolphSaxOfficial bro he wouldn’t have been in the position to get those calls 😭. Wade was literally attacking and getting past everyone

[@actioninmyphannypack]

To be fair, Kobe isn’t as great in clutch situations as he’s made out to be

[@JoshuaWilliams-ew9lb]

Still better then kawai

[@alexsmith3598]

Kawhi hit one clutch shot and blows a 3-1 lead. Shooting 2-14 in a game 7 isn't losing his clutch gene because he wasn't bad specifically in the 4th quarter?

[@BT-dl8in]

@@alexsmith3598 I mean Kobe has also blown a 3-1 lead (albeit never should have been up 3-1 in the first place) so picking players worst moments is not a good way of arguing. It's like saying Lebron isn't clutch because of 2011 or Kobe isn't clutch because of 2004.

[@HBG313]

@@alexsmith3598 notice how he never said kawhi was more clutch

[@devoid2783]

@@BT-dl8in Kobe blew a 3-1 lead to the best team in the NBA with the best offence while having mediocre teammates. It was a miracle in itself that they were able to win those 3 games in the first place. And funny thing is they were 1 rebound short of winning the series. While same can't be said for Kawhi.

[@crazymentality7824]

All this proves to me is that if we put max, ryan, and paul in a room we would see some of the most interestingly bad takes of all time

[@josephdurnin7698]

" I WANT IGUODOLA" might be the most viral moment in First Take history 🤣. And I really don't like the guy but KD has been top 5 for over a decade no debate even now I would have him 3rd after Giannis and Lebron respectively

[@Goaty9116]

U realize that if everyone said curry it would be a boring show. These guys get paid to make outlandish takes

[@cartmack4736]

People have such a difficult time properly rating Kobe. He is anywhere between the 5th and the 10th best player ever. He is not in the goat discussion and he is not outside of the top ten. Since his death his career has been totally polarized. People will try to say he's better than LeBron and others will say "He's no Dwyane Wade.... He's no Kawhi Leonard". Be reasonable if you look at stats, watch his highlights, hear the stories, see the outcome and put in some context you'll find Kobe somewhere towards the end of a top ten.

[@khaitranngoc4176]

I think the polarization of Kobe has begun some time between his retirement and his death. What you see right now is not too dissimilar to what I have read in 2017. He is either the most or the second most polarizing GOAT candidate behind Wilt. So many different aspects to consider... For once, a sensible take on Kobe for you among a barrage of extreme Kobe take on both end (kid you not, genuinely heard someone goes to extreme length to protect why he has a retired Kobe Bryant as the #33 players of all time, needless to say, it was shit), refreshing for once to hear sone sense...

[@cartmack4736]

@@khaitranngoc4176 definitely started after his retirement. I even heard some bullshit around 2015 wasn’t watching basketball religiously then though. My feeling is the overrating of Kobe began to spread after his death (understandable given the aggrandizement afforded to the dead). Why his legacy is as controversial as it is is a It might have been his injury being the last memory in our heads compiled with his last game being so perfect. Like you saw one of Kobe’s best seasons then an injury leading to him being legit a negative NBA player then him being the greatest player on earth for 48 minutes then never seeing him hoop again. Certainly understandable where the narrative whiplash can come from just unfortunate it persists.

[@Goth-Season]

@@cartmack4736 you people are delusional

[@cartmack4736]

@@Goth-Season are you a kobe Stan or hater?

[@mithunanilangainathan8103]

@@cartmack4736 I'd say Kobe is in the 4-7 range tbh

[@bamshakfwangyil1301]

The Paul pierce question is who had a better career. Not who had a better hypothetical career. So considering that, pierce is wrong asf

[@cashdaniel5978]

Just found you guys lately can’t stop watching these reaction vids love every second guys keep grinding!

[@bobbym0906]

Paul pierce had the red mamba on his team in the mid to late 2000s shoulda definitely had a 5 peat with him

[@Noone-fq4zy]

Yessirr🔥 just in time. Now just waiting for OSN top 25 of all time reaction.

[@baperizerr8813]

Already out

[@Lord.Torvosaurus]

Always good day when they post

[@yogrannybae5189]

So sage not gone mention Kobe had a prime Shaq for 8 years and yet he mentioned Kawhi having an old Tim Duncan

[@spencer.ross.s]

Shaq was not prime after the threepeat, he got fat

[@Sqeaky6969]

@@spencer.ross.s he wasn't prime but he was still in mvp convos until 06

[@spencer.ross.s]

@@Sqeaky6969 he wasn't with Kobe then 🤓

[@Sqeaky6969]

@@spencer.ross.s he was with him for 2 years after the threepeat and they lost in 04 cus kobes ego wouldn't allow him to believe Shaq was better so he shot the team out of the finals

[@spencer.ross.s]

@@Sqeaky6969 I've been watching the NBA since 1997 so I know the history, Shaq was 5th in MVP voting '03 and 6th in '04, he was great but Kobe WAS better than him by then. He got fat shamed by Phil Jackson and Kobe in 2000 and that's why he won ONE MVP in his career.

[@Baby_Jay365]

6:45 I agree considering Harden and Giannis were fighting for MVP during the time of the 18-19, - 19-20 seasons this trend continues today no doubt he’s great but he’s too 5 prolly 3-5 realistically I don’t see any of the top teams from last years eastern conference letting up it’s gonna be difficult until he steps on the neck of the nets and tells them what he truly needs to pull of his own triumph

[@jaysmith3811]

You know it’s a bad take when Max puts his head down 🤣

[@mugsby7962]

With Luca, his shot starts so high that even if you don't bite so hard on the step back, you still have to get to him and jump way high, risk a foul to try and block it, and he's always leaning. Nasty

[@sth02]

Legit get happy when I see a new S&S upload

[@jamescretney5730]

Paul pierce is allowed to say he better than anyone else. Mf an finals mvp and in Hof. He’s allowed an ego

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

You’ll never since Billups doing this shit.

[@TonySoul]

Let me go ahead and sub these young dudes. Yall hilarious for real! Thanks for the entertainment bruvs

[@FaMakaJBaby101FaMTV]

"They bouta cook you boy" 🤣 😂 6:42 Man somebody feelings bouta be hurt

[@ChicoTooCold]

Goddamit Max you be having the best takes wtf.

[@QDibieYT]

Paul Pierce isn’t getting it done in 2006, Dwade was averaging 35PPG.

[@dmanigo77]

4:20 The way he said “Iguodala” had me LMAO. 😆🏀

[@walterwilliams9662]

Paul Pierce did indeed create the stepback 😭

[@dsquare3033]

“I played ten years with who” is crazy Yoo 😂😂

[@QughHefner]

To Paul Pierce defense I always thought and still do think they were suppose to be talking about the wings on the court!

[@colinabbruzzese2451]

The laughs in the background for the Iggy get me rolling every time😭

[@sub-zero7243]

Another fact Kawhi is more clutch than Kobe Kawhi shoots 48% from the field and 40% from three Kobe shoots 40% from the field and 25% from three in the clutch

[@zerfixiswashed3758]

Even though Max can occasionally say some dumb stuff he has to be one of my favorite

[@joelgriffith1654]

Ocasionally? lmao

[@eyonmoon7402]

Steph has had the best stepback in the league for years

[@blackbabyjesus9]

When I saw Ryan Hollins, I knew I was gonna hear Giannis

[@Smido83]

Clutch shots are defined as: "Shots in the last 5 minutes of a game, when any teams lead isnt higher then 5 points." I dont get the confusion what clutch means... If player A shoots a 3 with 3 minutes left and his team is up 3 points, thats a clutch shot per definition. If player B fom the other team misses a 3 in the next posession... that is NOT a clutch shot, cause his team was down 6... easy as that. And looking at the stats... Kobe wasnt that good in those situations... He shot well below average, while taking the most shots possible. So no matter if tripple teamed with 2 guys open under the basket, Kobe would take the 3... and most likely brick it! (he shot well under 30% from 3 in those situations) Lebron for example takes a different aproach. He makes the right decision. No matter if it is him taking the shot, or passing to a wide open 45% C&S 3P shooter in the corner while being tripple teamed. THATS way more clutch in my opinion. Just think of the Kobe to Shaq alley oop in the 2000 WCF game 7... one of the most iconic images from that Lakers era... why? Cause everybody was shocked that Kope passed the ball. Even back then. When did he ever do something like that AFTER Shaq left the Lakers?

[@howisthatgay4275]

“Yea but i don’t like clutch stats because they’re lame to me. I’ll just laugh at anybody who isn’t slurping Kobe’s game winner against Phoenix. Who made the most legendary faces exactly Kobe end of discussion” -S&S

[@Smido83]

@@howisthatgay4275 Lol... typical Kobe STAN! There are 5 missed game winners for everyone he made... but you can get off on the 2 or 3 he made in crucial situations. Doesnt change the fact that Kobe was a great player, but not good in clutch situations.

[@LegendInTheMaking11]

I hate when Paul Pierce talm bout "if you give me Shaq, I'm getting it done." That's not best player on the team Shaq, it's 06' elite 20ppg center Shaq. That's closer to getting modern day Bam Adebayo.

[@Michael-zp7mm]

Idk about all that. 😭

[@jawathazagora]

This last season I think luka had showed that he has the best iso moves in the league rn , like if he got his opponent in a iso at the wing and his in triple double position it’s a bucket

[@QDibieYT]

I don’t think Paul Pierce wins in 2006 because Wade averaged 35+

[@DgSezn]

Clutch is how you play in elimination games to me, the most important games where you have to be clutch

[@crippledepre9539]

Paul pierce was def always high af when on ESPN 😂

[@BengaIaas]

Paul Pierce could get rings with Shaq or with prime LBJ+Bosh, but the question was "who had the better career" not a hypothetical. That's what makes it a bad take.

[@howisthatgay4275]

Kobe was the ultimate clutch player of all-time. Like all those regular season games vs the blazers and that one famous playoff buzzer beater against the suns. (Let’s ignore how he played that game 7, doesn’t matter he made a cool face).

[@tallescs]

Collins kept the hate on Giannis even after the title

[@QughHefner]

2019 you can’t have Top5 player list without KD period. He singlehanded beat the Clippers that year! And I’m tired of the Kobe don’t pass in the clutch narrative now 2005-08 you prolly right but would you pass to those bums??? For the Game??? FUCK NO!!!! People forget how incredible of a passer he is a great clutch passes.

[@superseahawk4296]

" I WANT IGUALDALLLA" will never get old

[@superseahawk4296]

Max was idiotic on he said Kawhi > Kobe but he was right for 3 straight years about the Warriors Dynasty winning again

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

@@YungPhilosopher I wouldn't say that, Kobe was def better than Kawhi, but Kawhi is a lot easier to play with, much better 3 point shooting defending than Kobe, and has higher bball iq, but Kobe is still better of course, Kawhi's mentality isn't to be better than anyone, its to just win no matter what, he said it himself, he cares little about stats and accolades

[@loncannon5523]

16:32 B solz squeaky voice “they would’ve had 3 rings” has me dead asf. But he not Lyin

[@4c3fr3h1y]

Combo guard wing-guy sounds like a yugioh card

[@Belairepapi]

Paul was spitting about that d wade one ngl

[@Sonny173]

That Ryan hollins take oof

[@jonathanfarrington2058]

now the real question HAS to be, how does all of this affect paul pierce’s legacy???

[@BallinLikeMike23]

My 2K23 build is going to be a 2 way perimeter wing guy 😂🙌🏻

[@alwayschanging241]

When the NFL season starts u should do some NFL content u seem to enjoy it

[@colehamblin8035]

Y’all should react to espn best takes

[@nate8655]

Steven a the goat of facial expressions ong

[@lucidstudious750]

Sage don't let skip hear you talking...or else he'll bring up "what did curry average on the last 3 games of the 2016 finals?" 😂

[@abedamonstar1941]

the dude: if the universe was on the line I want iguadola everyone else: I want to survive

[@zerfixiswashed3758]

Max is the type of person to say without Andre iguodala warriors would not of won the finals

[@elijahguerrero4913]

Back in 2019 Kd not being top 5 shouldn’t have been a segment, fast forward to 2022 and I think it’s a real debate whether or not Kd is top 5 right now

[@zaybangaaa9432]

I think it was more Of a debate now than it was back then. We got Bron, Steph, Jokic, Giannis and from there I don’t see much question when it comes to anybody else. In 2019 though. Sheesh

[@megacaptcha5894]

@@zaybangaaa9432 Giannis>>>

[@jaxjaggywires]

Yes, Pierce is wrong

[@dailyvids5900]

Luka got a nasty step back

[@ironspider9804]

You should see Barry mockaniers (if miss spelled my bad) I think they would enjoy it

[@almightymike9484]

The Kawhi and Kobe take is not as bad as ppl make it out to be. Kobe took every game winning shot the Lakers had

[@ericfranklin1802]

Given the background in the first take I assume this was done after “the shot” against the 76ers and Max is always a “what have you done for me recently” analyst. So no surprise here.

[@lucasdeangelo5462]

He has more game winning shots than anybody in nba history

[@pocata195]

No way Pierce would win in 06. That shaq was in no way the player that he was in 05. No offence, but to say that is no having ever seen those finals

[@bryanfoster326]

I mean, the 06 finals is a little tough to judge anyways, I wouldn’t go as far as to call it rigged, but it was shady for sure

[@trellwoods1072]

This video should be renamed “The reason Stephen A got rid of Max” 😆

[@eazymb.]

I got somebody mad cause I said KD isn’t in my top 5 at this point in time. Giannis, Jokic, Luka, LeBron, Embiid are all more impactful than KD. If Kawhi comes back the same player Add him to that list too.

[@mike.cdn7212]

You think Kawhi and LeBron are better than KD in 2022? You're tripping

[@peshlegen8037]

The team was Chicago, I’m still in shock.

[@silvallyy]

I swapped Pierce with Lebron too by accident 😂

[@TheAdidasKnifer]

Ryan Hollins should be on this because of his worst takes too

[@JayTeeAyy]

Fate of the universe on the line… I want combo wing guy Stephen Curry!!!

[@andrewchester3527]

Pierce had the first signing super team of all time, got beat by Kobe with just pau gasol, would’ve lost in 08 if Bynum was healthy, and got bounced every year after that

[@doubleyoujaytee3017]

Ray and KG were traded for, either way that’s still the first Bonafide Superteam where Stars in their Prime came together. This casual fan idea that any team formed Via Trade isn’t a Superteam is absolute shit🤡. A Superteam drafted and grown, traded, or signed is a Superteam regardless. I can grow a grow a chicken, steal a chicken or buy a chicken, I still have a chicken🤣

[@EndManMANn]

I remember when Kobe retired niggas just started hating on him like crazy

[@crisomii]

from 2017 to 2019 it was Bron KD and then the other guys mentioned

[@mitchellbrock2944]

The Tebow thing might actually be arguable just bc of how much bigger the NFL is

[@thatboirose5525]

ayo first take i almost drunk bleach 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chockingninja7676]

I WANT IGUADALA!! 🤣🤣

[@lesliejacoby9137]

But how does this affect LeBron being in Mulitversus as a meta pick?🤔

[@cormacmacaongusa]

People be forgetting Paul Pierce has a FMVP

[@joshuacooper319]

Nah, Solz is so bias for Celtics. Wade was the better player man, his impact on both ends was insane. Pierce with Wade's teams us debatable.

[@donnellthomas7766]

Y’all had to think about the KD take?? In 2019 coming off of 2 back to back finals mvps where he was clearly the best player wit Steph and Bron on the floor? Wtf

[@stefoskyriakou3651]

Wtf? No he wasn't "clearly better" than lebron. They were on the same level if not lebron was playing better

[@donnellthomas7766]

@@stefoskyriakou3651 in the 17 finals KD averaged 35 homie 💀.. I’m sorry, to me he was the best.. Bron ain’t been the best player to me since 2016

[@CelticsIn5]

That’s honestly facts. Ever since he’s been gone. Kobe has been hella talked down on

[@calebbc5434]

Yes, kawhi had a really good team, which is why it's impressive that he had more finals MVP's at his age than Kobe, and Kobe was in the league at 18 and won 3 titles by the same age as kawhi, with no finals MVPs. Kawhi got his first one playing on a loaded SAS team, then got one after leading TOR to a win over GS with pascal siakam as his 2nd best player. I'm not saying Kawhi is necessarily a better clutch player than Kobe, but I certainly think it's a lot closer than they think. Kobe holds the record for most misses in clutch time too

[@coops1992]

Yeah that's not even a bad take like this dumb uploader claims. Kawhi is just all around better player than Kobe ever was but injuries hold him back and in the end Kobe will have the better career of the two.

[@OutofThaFryinPanandIntoThaFire]

I think it’s weird paul said if you gave me Lebron and bosh in my prime but d wade was 29 when he got Lebron and bosh in Miami and Paul peirce was 29 when he got ray and KG in Boston

[@felipefasanella7764]

What the F??? Kobe had Shaq... people always say " so and so had X, Y, Z". No player had a better roster out the Gate than Kobe. And when he was the lone star the Lakers where trash And he requested a trade.

[@Shemzinho]

As opposed to greats having no help at the beginning and then getting help in their primes. Whereas Kobe had nothing during his prime years. All Kobe ever needed was a competent big and he was contending.

[@killjoy3373]

@@Shemzinho do you have the same attitude towards LeBron. Coz he got no help for about 11/19 years pf his career. And he still made the finals 3 times with no help.

[@Shemzinho]

@@killjoy3373 yeah during his first run with Cleveland. After that he’s had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD. He’s done well for himself

[@ramsfan1988]

@@Shemzinho just curious how much playoff success did Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD as team leaders? They have a lot of combined seasons playing without Lebron. I'll give you Wade though.

[@Shemzinho]

@@ramsfan1988 that's not the argument. The argument was LBJ not having help his whole career when it was only during his first stint in Cleveland. After that he's used free agency masterfully and formed superteams which he deserves to do.

[@dwainfrett5385]

17:34 this was Celtics fans after they beat Golden State after game 1 finals

[@Nightmare-we8vm]

I don't think the Kawhi Kobe debate is as far as they make it seem. I think Kobe just has a longer track record. If Kawhi is consistent next few years, maybe he might take that W.

[@fazediamond5671]

Healthy

[@yahiaali4059]

Kawhi healthy obviously a championship level player that’s the only thing stopping him is injuries

[@farrellcityking1]

People love facts… unless those facts work in Lebron’s favor or against Kobe and/or Jordan.

[@bartvandermolen6086]

Need to see solz and sage play basketball

[@fazediamond5671]

Y

[@sinceregolden7552]

The year before that did Kd not win Finals MVP?? How could he not be a top 5 player?😭

[@RApollos107]

I fucking knew a Ryan Hollins take on Giannis was gonna be here