The WORST Unit in EVERY 40k Army | Warhammer 40k Tactics & Reviews

[@ReverendMeat51]

Necrons, "Alright the reanimator again I bet" "Nope an Obelisk. Wtf even is an obelisk" I guess I forgot they existed, for good reason.

[@FrstSpctr88]

Reanimator is hard to use, because its tall and lacks quantum or invuln save... Some suggest kitbashing a shorter one...

[@yuriski1]

@@FrstSpctr88 I mean...the Reanimator can at least work as a distraction carnifex...

[@DragonsBane78]

@@yuriski1 Barely. It's not tanky enough to withstand focused fire like a distraction carnifex is for. granted, it's cheap in comparison as well, so maybe if you have the space to spare in a list...

[@VestedUTuber]

@@DragonsBane78 To be fair, these days if your list struggles to kill big, tanky single-model units like vehicles or monstrous creatures, you're doing something wrong (or playing pure plastic Custodes).

[@DragonsBane78]

@@VestedUTuber Sure, but tanky models still require more than one unit to focus on them. Reanimator will usually die to a single unit's shooting phase and nothing else. it's a joke of a unit and doesn't work as a 'distraction'

[@nathanyoung5530]

Came here for the obelisk, was not disappointed.

[@TacticalTortoise]

xD

[@pyrothem]

Worst unit in all the game for over 7 years! "4 more years. 4 more years!"

[@lancetrozzi3524]

je even named my honorable bad units lol. I still think the SK is bad due to it bracketing so wildly.

[@mrprimarch6484]

Honestly obelisk is just for the looks.

[@mr.outlaw231]

Obelisk is just a moving fortification. Change my mind.

[@smokapopierdolio1157]

Worst unit for eldars - Codex: Craftworlds xD

[@ReverendMeat51]

Just started playing craftworlds, only two games so far both against blood angels. Won both. Craftworld's got some really good shit going on for scoring secondaries

[@smokapopierdolio1157]

@@ReverendMeat51 CWE are an army that has problems with picking and scoring secondaries easily. I congratulate you on your 2 wins but since u started I assume your opponent was new as well. On such levels any1 can win more easily. But once compare our units with other armies u can see that our units for the most part are over costed and inefficient.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@smokapopierdolio1157 I didn't say they were great. But their built in mobility plus strategems like fire and fade shouldn't be discounted. Linebreaker and teleport homer are auto-pick secondaries.

[@smokapopierdolio1157]

@@ReverendMeat51 I'm not saying that the stratagems or options aren't there, it's just when u compare it to the other codexes its just not enough. Yes fire and fading is nice, but can it compare to lets say smash captain that can fight again? Probably not.

[@smokapopierdolio1157]

@@ReverendMeat51 yes some secondaries are auto include. But in general Craftworld have a huge problem with primaty and many secondaries. The fact that come sodexes have faction specific stratagems doesn't help

[@jeremylarson7117]

Dead wrong about the Knight Gallant; it's honestly one of the best units in the codex, and an outstanding ally unit. The cheapest knight, even with a carapace weapon, it's an unrivaled distraction carnifex that the opponent has one turn to deal with before it's inside their lines and crushing things. It's boosted WS means that even at bottom tier it's still putting out serious damage with it's happy feet. Apply the right traits and relics and it goes straight to 11; make it only woundable on 4+, give it 5++/4++ invulns in melee, 2+ armor, have it 8D at S16 and hit on 2+, etc. Favorite knight, and honestly the scariest.

[@GimbleOnDew]

True, but there are only 3 truly different models in the army

[@easyjay427]

Yeah I was thinking the same. The most competitive model along with the crusader. Triple gallant lists were a thing in GTs and big tournaments.

[@Jeeps-ye5ct]

@@GimbleOnDew armiger, questoris, dominus, acastus, cerastus so 5

[@RavenAdventwings]

With only 5 models in the entire faction, it's slim picking. Someone has to get the short end of the stick.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

I wonder why was the Servo Turret never adressed in a FAQ despite no one seeming to play any. A lot of underplayed models got point decreses in Chapter Approved, but no love for the Turret

[@kacpermatysiak9743]

Damn, I honestly didn't expect Custiodian Wardens to be there, I've been playing them for some time and they never felt like worst unit in my codex.

[@theonlyenicfanever5346]

The worst unit in the hands of the right player can be great

[@GreenSpleenSubmarine]

@@theonlyenicfanever5346 You mean my big brother? Dude melts my Firstborns every time

[@lastresort1plays]

He missed the deep striking with warden and how they are typically used

[@CAMSLAYER13]

I feel like the quality of custodes units is pretty good overall

[@bonogiamboni4830]

@@CAMSLAYER13 i guess it's kinda like dark souls 2, the worst of the series but still better than 90% of everything else.

[@mintyaroma987]

'This video can contain so many Land Raiders in it'

[@thomasgirou6819]

Strongly disagree on the knight Galant. With 5 attacks, a 2+ WS and it was cheap in 8th, it will shred anything on round 2. This shit stomped me twice.

[@masterofthelag8414]

Also a fan of it, specifically because it's cheaper and hits well. The lancer is awesome, not gonna deny that but with the addition of costing about 3 times as much actual money as a gallant that is quite the downside.

[@VestedUTuber]

Oh, fun fact about the Biophagus - he literally just gives a unit of Aberrants the Ymgarl factor from the Tyranids codex. And not only is the Ymgarl factor garbage _in_ the Tyranids Codex, if you _do_ want to take it you don't even have to take a random elite slot character for it.

[@thetaomegatheta]

'Custodian Wardens don't deal that much damage' Among non-dreadnoughts, the Wardens deal the most damage in melee in the Custodes roster, generally. I do agree that they don't deal a lot of damage, but neither the bikes, nor the terminators do, sadly. Also, disagree with the Vindicare being the worst assassin. At least they can do something passably, compared to Eversors.

[@mattmark94]

Actually the worst Ork unit is the Stompa.

[@TheCrimsonSpork]

2 lord of skulls are about the points of 1 Stompa. Good job GW

[@kriscrossx122]

Agreed I would say stompa is by far the worst then grots at 5 points then burna boyz

[@scheikundeiscool4086]

The stompa might be the worst unit in the game. Its way to big to do annything in a game that is not set up to allow it to be played.

[@lokalnyork]

Honestly? Burnas were awesome. In 3rd ed book, when they could cut tanks better than dedicated AT weapons (in melee) and had awesome shooting against infantry (remember templates? none of that D3 or even D6 nonsense, You could easy hit 6+ models within 6"). But the best part was they could be taken as Squad upgrades or semi-special-unit.

[@ccggenius]

I'm a couple editions out of date, and clicked this video on a lark. I just assumed the answer was Flash Gitz, but after seeing it wasn't, I looked them up. So they're basically just two wound veterans with plasma now (and gets hot no longer exists)? That's crazy.

[@Meartmans86]

Idk what the people at the GW rule department are smoking sometimes. Making everything viable makes it so that everything sells and everyone can play lists with a lot of variety. Win win?

[@painterofpaint1]

The variety is part of the issue though. Lets take a strange world in which the Eldar and their specialist units are actually viable. You might make a cool list of Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons and Howling Banshees. Your list has two units of each and you have fun. Yet what if we enter a world where just Swooping Hawks are OP and viable? You'll need to buy multiple 10 man squads to fill out your awesome OP list. A number of swooping hawks you would've never bought, had you just been collecting everything. Then next codex or supplement release, Howling Banshees are turned into the super OP thing. Banshees were trash before, so you only maybe have one unit. Better buy your all banshees list. Next up are Fire Dragons, then Striking Scorpions. By the end of the run, you have a small army of every specialist unit; and then the cycle can begin once more again. Luckily you already have your units, but for the brand new player it's just starting. -------- Now this is a super extravagant example that does not properly relate to reality, yet I do believe there's some truth to it. GW has a strong habit of making poorly selling units OP; and once a unit has sold a good number of kits or sells well regardless; they don't mind overshadowing them.

[@BlueZirnitra]

You don't have to be smoking something to fall short of flawless perfection in an incredibly complex gaming ruleset spanning volumes. Do you really think they looked at these units and thought "ah yes, just sub-optimal enough to make less money", or maybe that they're just misjudgements and oversights like any other game has?

[@painterofpaint1]

@@BlueZirnitra When GW has a strong history of making units extremely OP to boost sales? I don't see why not. Just pay attention to the next codex release. Surprise surprise, units people previously didn't play/bought much are boosted into oblivion. The Riptide was another example of this too when it was first released. I buy plenty of GW products, and I often enjoy GW stuff. Yet there's no denying that they do base stats on sales.

[@Meartmans86]

@@BlueZirnitra I would believe that if it was the second maybe the third time. But it has been like this every edition so far. Always units that are useless. Always units that are too OP. Always rules that make no sense. Always thinking changing points is the solution. Nah, their rules department needs a massive overhaul

[@TheSeamonkeyBrigade]

@@painterofpaint1 I don’t really see how this relates to variety being an issue?? Maybe I’m just tired and am a dingus. But if all units were viable then variety would be an immense boon to GW. They don’t need to be OP, just playable and viable within a regular game. We don’t need an Obelisk OP meta for example, because we’d just fall into that cycle of constantly grabbing the next best thing as you described. We just need the Obelisk to be worth the points in any capacity to warrant its existence. It’s what happened with Tau drone spam and Triptides. The rest of the army was so poorly balanced that there were really only two possible routes to victory. Triptides were so overdone because they were one of the only consistent ways to win as Tau, because the rest of the army wasn’t really viable to use. Balancing the entire army instead of whatever units are or aren’t being used would be so much more beneficial for the game and GW’s wallet in the long term.

[@z0zef]

Aaah! No Big Stompa for orkz :/ Well played Burna Boyz, Well played.

[@nateachterman1874]

Disagree on the Fire Dragons. Being 20 pts per model now, and being able to Fire and Fade into a wave serpent makes them excellent at targeted Hard-Target elimination.

[@combatwombat2134]

"Now" the operative word, eh? ;)

[@andrewcarter1747]

The 12" range and the fact that you can't get out of a transport after it's moved means they're still pretty bad.

[@boyanpenev9822]

@@combatwombat2134 TBH at 23 they weren't horrible, just not great. It was costed similarly to SoB dominions w. Meltas. Rangers, hawks, spiders and a few others are imo worse. Storm guardians are pretty useless, but are sometimes taken as kinda cheap bodies

[@darkmagpiestudios8222]

I actually do feel sorry for the artist who had to paint those mutilators.

[@Backstabmacro]

Leave my special uggo-lads alone :( I know they’re not good, but they’re cool...

[@theonlyenicfanever5346]

I find them cool ;-;

[@tbone11x]

My fire strike servo turret has done more for me in the games I've played them than my inceptors and my eliminators combined

[@TheCrimsonSpork]

I’m not sure if that’s a W or an L brah

[@tbone11x]

@@TheCrimsonSpork won with the turret lost with the Inceptors/eliminators

[@thedwarfdave]

The thousand sons vortex beast is handy because the buffs it gives is based on the Tzeentch keyword so it can buff units in a Chaos Demon detachment (flamers, exalted flamers, screamers) or tzeentch marked CSM units in CSM detachment. With soup being less of a good idea in 9th that is a waning benefit at best. You can cast spells to improve the WS and invuln but if you have to cast spells on something to make it good I don't consider it good. It also costs $85 bucks when the defiler is $75. Did I mention I love my Defiler?

[@Knights_Oath]

A lot of these units are from older armies that have a problem with model range bloat. Or older models that have not transitioned well into army redesigns or new editions. For example all the Necron Super Heavies except the Silent King. Do not fit well in the army redesign. Moving the Monolith from the Heavy slot almost feels spiteful. Or in the case of Ogryns, Bullgryns made them pointless. They need a redesign. Give them a 4+ Save, better movement since they have less armor, and a better melee option. They could be amazing shock troops.

[@ajtame]

It annoys me these units exist at all, why when writing a book do they feel the need to go "lets make this shit"

[@nwttp]

Manufactured obsolescence. That and the fact they can't balance a god damn thing yet keep coming out with new rules and editions is why I don't buy stuff from these fools anymore... but I guess enough people don't care because they just keep on keep on keep on doing it. The lore is still cool though.

[@krinkrin5982]

@@nwttp Burna boys used to be really good in 4th/5th edition, where you could have 10+ flamers in a unit and laugh at cover. Especially because you could fire these flamers from a moving vehicle. Load the unit into a truck, or if you can spare the points, a battle wagon, and go around burning the guard out of heavy cover.

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

don't let it annoy you, dude. it'll be alright in the long run! also, i guess sometimes people like to build around themes, so its nice to have rules for other units. just like not every MtG card isn't useful, neither is each unit in 40k

[@schizoidmeme5470]

@@nwttp The fact only half of the Chaos units got new models it was ended it for me. My world eating angry manlets are still very upset that, oh hey, instead of finishing off the rest of Chaos, lets make Primaris! I'm done with GW. I hope they go outta business so the license can get the love it needs.

[@captainparty]

Because they don’t write rules purely for competitive play. They write rules for models, making new models is the most important part of their business.

[@hilmareyberg1439]

Gallants have place actually. You missed out that the gallants Ws goes from 3+ to 2+ and he gains a extra attack and thats a huge mele damage boost that covers his lack of shooting. And usually what you do in a pure knight list is that you charge the gallant in the heart of the enemy line and let him wreck anything he fights forcing the enemy to use all his guns against the gallants and when he dies you use Noble sacrifice stratagem to blow up for alot of wortalwounds. The the knight preceptor is the lamest imo its shooting just isn't that good.

[@Yithmaster]

Long gone are the days when a wave serpent filled with fire dragons was the most terrifying thing on the table. Land raiders monoliths battle wagons quivered with fear at that site

[@oliverp3545]

They still are, it's just a matter of using it like a chess master.

[@TheGateShallStand]

"That's it, I'm getting me obelisk" -an avid Necron fan crippling your entire air force with a single obelisk

[@Yroko]

When that was all people used were flyers. I had a unit of heavy destroyers with an str9 ap2, mowed down tanks and other such things. Then my warriors and immorals rapid fire glancing shots for clean up. This was the necrons first hardcover codex, shortly after core rules were also changing

[@TheGateShallStand]

@@Yroko ah, the tactics of the necrons, one can not deny their simple brutality.

[@Yroko]

@@TheGateShallStand yeah, tell u cant roll past 4+ on 10d6 to hit dark angels basic marines

[@Lord_Aba]

I'd say, for Genestealer Cult, Hybrid Metamorphs would be the worse. Completely overshadowed by genestealers on one side and acolytes on the other.

[@jackmprestonjr]

Quick note about the tac drone unit! I keep a squad of shield in reserve so I can drop shield drones to a battle suit group that is crushing it. I’ll drop it for my ghostkeels if they’re doing good as a distraction but are still on the board killing stuff.

[@clayhittle9110]

In tyranids, the Pyrovores existence hurts my soul

[@TacticalTortoise]

Relatively cheap models that can be taken in units of 1 will always be somewhat playable tbh

[@doesitmatterwhatitypehere]

Really surprised you picked the Razorwing for Drukhari. When building my list I wanted it to be thematically Wych Cults and the Beastmaster gave me headaches trying to fit him into any list. He himself is completely garbage for costing 40 points and filling an elite slot and the three units he buffs all have better better units doing their job overshadowing them. And any beast you want to take now fills a fast attack slot, the one slot I found most contested in the Drukhari Roster. In the end it just made more sense not to play him at all.

[@IAmTheStig32]

It should tell you something that the worst unit in the Drukhari army... is still one of the best flyers in the game.

[@Fauxmadd]

BM IMO is terrible too, but it is also the best character to take the Animus Vitae, give it Splintermind Drug and now it will almost never miss.

[@RavenAdventwings]

I'd contest the T'au pick, and I'm speaking as a Vior'la main. The only reason Tactical Drones were brought up to 20pts per model in the separate Fast Attack slot was to stop people spamming Tactical Drones outside of their Accompanying Drones role. Before the latest pts update, people were spamming drones to act as cheap ablative wounds for their Triptide. Chewing throw 3 units of 12 Shield Drones (for a total of 36 Shield Drones in 3 separate units) was a nightmare, and that's before you take into account the OTHER drones following other units around the table (lol). Then again, I only ever field about 20-30 drones in my entire 2000pts army list, because 1) I don't like playing drone spam, and 20 is already pushing it real close despite having no independent Tactical Drones team, and 2) I don't actually own that many drones... Wait. No. I do have that many drones... (But I swear, I only do it because I want to re-enact the Harbinger Devilfish from DoW and stuff a whole 12-drone unit into a Devilfish for shits 'n giggles.) I'd say the worst unit is the Tidewall Shield Line. Sure, they're basically a moving Light Cover that reflects shots back with good saves, but having only T6 and 4+ Saves on 10W isn't going to save it much. It doesn't even have an Invul save! Just point a single Devastator unit with Lascannons at it and it'll explode in the middle of the T'au gunline like a chunky salsa pinata!

[@matthewvonderporten5605]

As a Marine player who started in 5th for me it's the Servitors. For 20points and an elite slot you get 4 idiots with a melee weapon attack that does nothing. Oh but you can give 2 of them a heavy weapon that does nothing. Their WS and BS suck and if you didn't bring a Techmarine their even worse. Why did I mention when I started, well back in the day they used to help a Techmarine repair vehicles. Now they do nothing, can't even put them on an objective cause they'll die if the enemy stares at them.

[@jerroldlarson1931]

I own 2 Firestrike Turrets. Now I feel like I've wasted so much money and time painting them.

[@GirlPainting]

i feel you...same here

[@MysticMindAnalysis]

For the Tau, I was going to suggest maybe Sniper Drones, since their base BS is 5+ and they require a HQ slot with Farsight Marksman to be effective at all. But then I remembered they can circumvent the "Look out Sir!" rule, get a mortal wound on a 6+, and have -1 to hit. So while they're still not efficiant enough to be worth it IMO, they at least have some small reason to exist outside of saviour protocols.

[@TheAlderMonster]

I remember the day of stuffing trukks with bunna bois and having my enemies eyes go wide with terror. They were the perfect tactic for either strong squads or biig vehicles. . . Now i have 45 models that just look pretty. . .

[@JinxedBoon]

Curious about the death guard pick. You mentioned that poxwalkers can sit in the back and do actions, but they can't do that. Cultists are strictly action monkeys for DG but they are the only ones in the DG army. I would say a noxious blightbringer is typically much less useful in most cases

[@TacticalTortoise]

They're not even obsec... :(

[@mattf967]

I don't think the Burna Bois are as bad as you make out since most flamers are 8" range and like such flamers, they are intended to blunt melee charges. They're not great though because why would an ork player want to *not* be in melee? Also we're just gonna ignore the Pyrovore? The fella who's one role in life is to prevent melee but he can't actually do since he's not attached to units meaning he can only prevent melee on himself rather than on anything you'd need to protect.

[@kennyleung9909]

It's so sad. My Hive Crone served me so well back in 7th edition. I rammed and killed so many enemy flyers with it. XD

[@chefpepper11]

I like firedragons, i load a unit of 5 with exarch w/ dragons breath in a waveserpent w/ a 5 man squad of dire avengers and one of my charcters, generally with a warlock w/ quicken you can drop anything you want the turn they appear, they are just fragile you have to get your moneys worth with the target you take down initially

[@phoenixdblack]

I think the burnas are actually quite fun to play. The Stompa is hot garbage tho

[@VallornDeathblade]

I remember back when the worst unit in the game was the damned Pyrovore for Nids. What a trainwreck of a unit that was.

[@TacticalTortoise]

Yeah it used to just hurt your own army when it died xD

[@B1llthech1ck5n]

Minor correction in that the Trojan Support Vehicle in 8th edition allowed a vehicle to reroll failed hit rolls. The +1 to hit was from the Salamander Command Vehicle.

[@DefaultProphet]

The Tabletop Titans game with Ravenguard that had a bunch of turrets really changed my mind on them

[@Demortixx]

They good in RG? They look cool

[@DefaultProphet]

@@Demortixx couldn’t say first hand but they did work in that game

[@jesterbob828]

Tabletop titans take ridiculous lists and unbalanced armies that don't reflect accurately on the realities of the game at all. I wouldn't use them as a measuring stick for any unit.

[@Wakshaani]

I showed this to my Tyrannid force and the Pyrovores started dancing in glee.

[@TacticalTortoise]

Pyrovores are pretty sweet

[@TARINunit9]

MiniWarGaming put a ServoTurret in one of their narrative play games. The only reason it was even able to shoot is because it spawned on turn 3 and got to shoot immediately, and then instantly died as soon as its turn was over

[@Pers0n97]

Cmon, you've talked about the Starstriders but not the Gallerpox?! They are by far the most insultingly bad stuff you could put on a 40k table, to the point that I'm still wondering why they even bothered to give them rules for that. They couldn't even make them fit properly into a Death Guard army!

[@jordandecourcy3147]

The Astra Militarum one should have been a dreathstrike. Over 100 points and there is a chance it doesn’t even fire in a game. Worthless. At least the Trojan can replenish hunter killer missiles.

[@sehgfx]

mutilators are quite fun as red corsairs.. .but thats about it. rather have the obliterators

[@VestedUTuber]

Ok, last post (I used multiple posts to allow for separate lines of conversation), I'm going to disagree with you on Vigilators being the worst unit for Sisters of Silence, because while they're useless as a Custodes since you generally take Sisters of Silence as backline units for Custodes, they're not necessarily bad at what they do. It's just that their role isn't needed by _Custodes._ You know what army _could_ make use of a decent close-combat unit with big swords and good armor? Astra Militarum. And you can take them alongside Astra Militarum by using the Null Maidens rule, which lets you take a Vanguard Detachment of Sisters of Silence without needing to fill any HQ slots. Now, to note, I understand that Vigilators won't do that much damage, but here's the thing - in 9th edition, killing enemy units isn't the point, it's just a means to an end. And tying up an enemy unit in combat for a few turns can be just as useful. Now, the unit I'd say deserves the spot of "worst Sisters of Silence unit" is Witchseekers. Most expensive of the three different Sisters of Silence units, armed with regular flamers which are effectively a straight downgrade from the bolters used by Prosecutors (more shots and auto-hit doesn't justify the lack of range in this specific case), and they really don't cover any battlefield role. They're basically in the same boat as Burna Boyz, where you're paying more for a unit that does its role _worse_ than another unit. None of the factions that can take Sisters of Silence as allies in some way actually need the additional anti-horde firepower, and Sisters of Silence don't really benefit from auto-hit. There's some overwatch shenanigans you can pull with Witchseekers but that's about it, and no one's going to really want to charge a wall of flamers like that anyway so they're just going to shoot them instead.

[@OrangeKookaduke]

the tactical drone tax is higher because they're trying to prevent mass amounts of drones. #badtake

[@GimbleOnDew]

While this may be true, it's a bad band aid for a game mechanic that is necessary for the army to function and very unfun for both players

[@alterdron]

I think I've seen tactical drones on Tabletop Tactics with Bone playing them. And performed quite well. And won. I'm not Tau guru, but there you probably shot in the cloud.

[@thetaomegatheta]

@@alterdron Are you talking about a Crusade game? Because I can't find any of their 9th Edition Matched games where Tau fielded a lot of standalone drones and won.

[@alterdron]

@@thetaomegatheta Hmm... Probably you're right. It coulld be 8th edition games. "Time! You heartless b*tch..."

[@freelancer102]

Man back in my day the worst model in the game was the Biovore, In 4th Ed if you missed with the gun you spawned free sporemine model. GW in their cocaine induced mania forgot to include a clause in the rules that exempted sporemines from the Killpoint scoring method. This meant that every time your biovore models missed you literally handed your opponent free killpoints. 3rd, 4th and 5th ed was fuckin wild.

[@thejestor9378]

The Despoiler with chainsword and fist is better than gallant, cause Chaos Knights have a way to get up in your opponents face quickly and relics to replace their melee weapons with deadlier variants. But that’s chaos. Imperial knights have no real reason to use one as they don’t really get major melee bonuses like Chaos knights can get.

[@Despresso-ht6ce]

Fun fact: GK dreadnought dont have Duty eternal. We are stuck with the 6+ fnp. Big yikes for me i'd say

[@VestedUTuber]

'cause you haven't gotten your new codex yet.

[@briancline7349]

Triarch Praetorians can be pretty good dude… especially in Silent King lists with him bugging them. They’re actually one of my favorite Necron units. But yeah wtf is up with how much GW seems to hate the Oblisk… 🤔

[@arkslippyjunior7773]

Triarchs actually work really well with orokin the diviner as his buff doesn't need the core rule

[@jamesbgood25]

Aw I love the Biophagus model though lol

[@Spiran_SphereHunter]

I'm kinda shocked for knights it wasn't harpoon boi, I mean he is soo expensive and does nothing, That flamer is his big selling point and it really doesn't justify its existence, The Gallant can be a very good shock and awe piece, Capable of throwing itself across the board and cheap enough you don't really care if it gets focussed down, It definitely has its place it is just not the port of call if your looking to field soup knights, The Valient? I think its called I mean mono or ally there is no reason to bring it outside of rule of cool

[@1995sagotomi]

Did you forget venerable land raiders exist for custodes...because their just hot garbarge

[@VestedUTuber]

You know what's really weird about that? Astartes and Chaos would BOTH kill for a Land Raider that good. But it sucks as a Custodes unit because it's literally the only non-SoS Custodes unit that doesn't get the otherwise universal 5++ invul. Not to mention it's rendered completely obsolete by the much cheaper Caladius Grav Tank and much tougher Telemon Dreadnought, which both also outgun the Land Raider.

[@WaystedMined]

So hear me out. Iron hands servo-turrets. You can Iron Stone the unit for -1 damage across all three, because it applies to an Iron Hands unit. Gives re-rolls to hit though super doctrine doctrine/stratagem. You can also psy-steel armor them for a 1+ save. Plus they have a 6+++. Are they amazing no, but worst unit? I don't think so. They probably need a points drop, because 270 for 3 AC ones still feels too high, but I don't think they are the worst unit.

[@Siathuan]

The thing about Tyranid Flyers, the Hive Crone and the Harpy, is that they're not aircraft-style flyers, zooming and booming across the battlefield dropping death and destruction; no, they're monsters with 30" move. Sure, their damage output is crap and their durability is nonexistent, but for the price of a barebone Walk-Tyrant you get a creature guaranteed to get a T1 charge and lock down an entire section of the enemy front line with its massive footprint. Throwing it at something hard and killy is stupid; use it to snare screening units in a battle they won't win. It will take an entire turn of falling back and either shooting or charging before the enemy can even begin to contest the midfield! And if the enemy puts their good stuff up front, well, that's why you have Swarmlords and Genestealers.

[@flashlightantics7618]

I agree with the Obelisk choice for Necrons...I do not, however, agree with the statement that Praetorians are a "weirdly inefficient" unit. No, they don't benefit from army wide options, but they're a mobile unit that does well in both the shooting phase and the close combat phase. They can be downright monstrous when paired with The Silent King, as well. Are they a better option over Litchguard? No. But I still wouldn't call them "weirdly inefficient". The Flayed Ones on the other hand...

[@endlesswaffles6504]

Obliterators are T5, why the hell is the melee version T4?

[@piotrjeske4599]

No new model, no rule update.

[@lancourt]

I gotta say that the deathstrike is worse than the trojan for the guard. It might never actually fire and even if it does it does very little. Weird interaction though... Didnt realize that a trojan could actually reload a deathstrike

[@socalastarte6727]

So many of the HQ slots got buffs in other codices, I'm predicting the GSC Biophagus gets buffed as well in there codex. It's a pretty new model that no bought, cause it's never been that great. Cool model though. Also, I like that in Eisenhorn Book, a Demonhost one shots a Battle Titan. On the tabletop however, they do 1 damage on their best day.

[@MyAlessandro1995]

Seeing that the orks get buffed with the new codex maybe the servo turrets are not that bad, with 3 of them they are 18 shots and you need only a 3 to wound ork boyz, if you play Iron hands with them you spend 2 cp and can re-roll the hit roll

[@Howardax]

No need. Ork boyz are now terrible and almost never used. It pains me, but right now if you wanna play an army that functions objectively better as a pseudo-green tide horde (better WS, BS, damage, survivability, flexibility/access to more and better stratagems, AND are cheaper by 1ppm)... I'm not joking here, play Admech Skiitari max squads. God I just want my Green Tide to be playable again :(

[@Chippaization]

that firestrike servo-turret looks cool as hell though....

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

It looks like a cool anti air gun but if something looks cool, it most of the time isn't cool

[@Chippaization]

@@RiffSilverthe1andonly hmm well I bought two...

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

@@Chippaization oh no

[@Chippaization]

@@RiffSilverthe1andonly not from gw so I'm fine with it

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

@@Chippaization yea GW prices steep, well hope you can make some good us outa em

[@joriankell1983]

Fire Dragons are fucking awesome now. I bagged four Death Guard vehicles in a single game a few months ago. I named the Exarch Al.

[@davidc8903]

As a Tau player I 1000% agree that Tactical Drones are the worst lol I would be happy if they nerfed Savior Protocols (maybe by making them only intercept successful hits instead of wounds?) to remove the absurd 20pt/model cost. They seem like the perfect unit to score engage on all fronts, or maybe even linebreaker, with.

[@0MaxK0]

Easy fix: get rid of Savior Protocols entirely but give shield drones the ability to give all units within 3" a 4+ invul. In addition drop the points cost of most of your suits to accommodate the fact you'll be taking more losses (also buff the BS of all units to 3+ while you're at it). I'd also give all drones the ability to allow units to fallout of combat with no penalty as they provide a distraction for the more fleshy units to escape. I'd also consider giving all suits (minus Broadsides) the ability to move after shooting... and look at that, I'm having a Tau rant already! Sorry for the tangent!

[@davidc8903]

@@0MaxK0 fire and fade for jetpack units plus 3+ BS would be a welcome change haha Another idea could be that they change Master of War a bit: perhaps at the beginning of your command phase you could pick from a list of buffs (Montka, Kauyon, maybe one to fall back and shoot?, etc.) and every unit within 6” of a commander gets the buff. They might need to be a bit weaker to compensate for repeat use, though.

[@NarvT86]

@@davidc8903 at least if master of war wasn't a 1 time per game it would be nice.

[@XSleepyDwagonX]

as sisters of battle player. i would agree mostly with that the dialogus is pretty much the weakest unit...but looking at this, the dataslate your showing is missing some to which i would say she has two saving graces outside of the standard "does not take up a detachment slot if a canoness in it" that most characters have. the first is the ability to increase/decrase miracle dice values by one if your not taking the triumph of saint katheryn. the second is that she is the cheapest (adeptus sororitas) preist, meaning that this choir girl has the ability to sing one of 6 chosen Hymns of battle (which are quite powerful units sleected within range and affected depending on which hymn is chosen and inspires (2+ check). while there are cheaper preist units like the preacher and Missionary....they only get to use war hymn which all priests know (which simply increases a units attack by 1 until the next com phase.) which is okay...if close to penitent engines or other melee ministorum models as well as one of the first 3 battle hyms. saying this....the dialogus i would agree is the weakes "adeptus sororitas" specific unit...but codex wise...i think the Missionary is worse. a HQ model with terrible stats, terrible weapons and only nothing going for it outside it's 4+ invulnerable save and being the cheapest HQ choice and second cheapest Preist....even if your using alot of ministorum/cult imperialis. which would be strange as your either playing an astra millitarum army or sisters of battle army. but that's my opinion anyway.

[@Yoyoman996]

well I am not confident in any of these, but here we go: Aeldari Craftworlds - Fire Dragons or Hemlock Wraithfighter Drukhari - Beastmasters Harlequins - Voidweaver Chaos / Imperial Knights - Acastus Knight Porphyrion? CSM - Mutilators or Land Raiders Chaos Daemons - Non exalted seeker chariot Death Guard - Cultists Thousand sons - Land Raiders / Vindicators Space Marines - Reivers Sisters of Battle - Crusaders Custodes - Venerable contemptor dreadnought Mechanicus - too new, not gonna try Imperial Guard - Ogryns Grey Knights - Land Raider Banisher Necrons - Psychomancer Orks - Killa Kanz Tau - Tactical Drone squads Tyranids - Tyrannocyte Genestealer cult - biophagus

[@TacticalTortoise]

oof

[@shaunzaarrae3727]

Venerable contemptor is great for custodes, put 1 in deep strike with eternal penetent and multi melta for 6 attacks hitting on 2s, rerolling charges, and 2 melta range shots hitting on 2. Drop it in turn 2 is like throwing a golden wrench into your opponent’s game plan. If u happen to deep strike it with a shield captain rerolling 1s = delete target unit

[@Yoyoman996]

i got like... 5 and a half? not super horrible lmao

[@1krani]

I used to use Burna Boyz since i don't use regular Boyz (I got Grots for choice and have a more mekanized army). But Assault D3? Nah. D3+1 maybe, to guarantee 2 shots a piece.

[@bongusplongus5443]

For harlequins, it’s the webway gate

[@scottcomber]

Dropping a hot like, just for my man Tactical Tortoise.

[@TacticalTortoise]

[@Player-sz8jk]

Tactical like incomming!!!!!

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

Can you please do a video on the nuances of fight twice rules?

[@Ironfist85hu1]

Tyranids: I would be interested in the usage of maleceptor, the mine spores, mucolid spore, and especially the tervigon. ^^

[@regoso8580]

cant believe the deathstorm drop pod wasnt the worse for space marines

[@TaelonZ]

Throwing out the special named characters I would say the worst unit in the Craftworlds army is actually Guardians, Storm or Defender doesnt matter which. Defender are super costly, extremely short ranged and basically just outright outclassed by Dire Avengers who are literally them but better, abet slightly smaller groups and unable to take a heavy weapons, which would be a downside but you've got to pay the cost of 2-3 guardians just to get 1 big gun. Storm on the other hand.... even guardsmen only charge when they have to.

[@reapwh0re]

My Servo turret has done nothing but good things for me

[@canceledlogic7656]

Trojan support vehicle type stuff is super flavorful for narrative play ambushes or dioramas.... But dont really belong in focused fitefight games. Even as it is its rediculous for the basilisk to be where it is

[@Quole1234]

flayed ones DO have a place. They are the easiest way you can score a lot of the secondaries. Retrieve Nachmund data for instance in your opponent's table quarters is perfect for them, not to mention pretty cheap. The REAL deepstrike cc unit that doesn't really have a purpose is the ophydian destroyers. They are more expensive than flayed ones and come in smaller squad sizes so they are worse at getting a lot of the secondaries, they don't have a -1 to hit stratagem and they are the same toughness and save as flayed ones, so they are actually squishier than flayed ones (also RP is worse on them), they are slower than wraiths, weaker than both wraiths and skorpeks in both resiliency, and even potentially how much damage they do, etc. They really don't have a purpose. ANytime I think of taking them I realize that Skorpeks, Wraiths, and Flayed Ones all do any job they could have, better. That being said there are still worse necron units though lol.

[@VestedUTuber]

Ooh, mentioning the Trojan... you can reload _Deathstrikes_ with them. It's not necessarily the most effective strategy, but if you take three Deathstrikes and three Trojans together, you can basically barrage the opposing army with unit-deleting missiles. Again, not exactly effective, but holy shit is it hilarious.

[@jlawsl]

These new editions are turning some of my favorite units to trash. Burnas used to be some of the best basic stat infantry orks could get. A normal flamer in the shooting phase or a power weapon in the assault phase and the ability to just end an enemy assault with their over watch. They were really effective for their points and their numbers. Now, they made them so weak. They gave them all hand flamers pretty much, because far be it for gw to give anything good to anyone but SM players.

[@indecisionator]

can u use the trojan support vehicle on a deathstrike? if the hour is nigh ability gets removed, then this would be completely broken

[@sirbratholomew2743]

I haven't played Inquisition, but what about Inquisitor Eisenhorn? Without a Daemonhost he doesn't really seem to be worth taking. If you take both, the daemonhost becomes 6S 6T 6W 5A. if the host is within 6" of Eisenhorn it gets +1 hit/wound/invul (which makes his ranged D3 on a 5+). Not saying either are good, But Eisenhorn really gets value from adding 1 Daemonhost.

[@TyHunterX]

For AM, hear me out- Reload Deathstrike missiles!

[@shaunzaarrae3727]

Servo turret is actually a decent counter to the new Agro dark elder meta

[@thejestor9378]

It does well at my local scene where infantry heavy armies are more common.

[@ethanwelner1230]

How? It gets one shotted by the average damage on a dark lance?

[@stresselemental]

@@ethanwelner1230 because of the funny win the game roll that happens before the game (Roll for who goes first)

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

Expected to see more fliers but some of these do make a lot of sense

[@PinoyCarter]

Had to do a double-take when the Mechanicus flyer came up. The background tortoise's whirlwind launcher was in a location where I thought the flyer has some real weapon.

[@TacticalTortoise]

xD it does look like that lolololol

[@deadHummingbird]

DG cultists can do action, poxies - could not. You should pick one of predators)

[@zacharyellis3336]

I still think flayed ones are pretty fucking awaful. Considering you want to run then in 20s but they sell them in 5s

[@Nyxcha]

1:39 ....*kicks all auxilaries out of tau list* sorry, no regiment traits

[@norimasayasui5071]

I thought the Death Strike is pretty god awful in the Astra Militarium range. It's a glorified heavy bolter until you get to maybe shoot that death strike missile once per game. IF you're lucky, you get 3D6 shots averaging about 11-13 shots. This still requires to hit on a BS 4 assuming you didn't take any damage. So you're looking on average about 5-6 mortal wounds and maybe a D3 mortal sounds assuming that unit was 6" to another unit on a 4+. Not to mention it still requires permission to shoot. 6up on round2, 5up on round 3, 4up on round 4, and 3up on round 5... No doubt the Trojan isn't great. But it at least got it's moment of glory in 8th ed and it's a FW model. So judging as most models in this list aren't from the FW range, I didn't feel like we had to go dig for our worst model in the FW range. There's just one in the Codex ripe for the picking. If anyone played a Death Strike against me, I would probably be asking if I'm such a bad player that he/she needed to take it THAT easy on me... But that's probably what will trigger the 6 on turn 2 to wipe half of a critical unit, so who knows.

[@viridisxiv766]

same idea, but with highest potential damage output. and the number of lasguns required to kill it.

[@grud8495]

"you are already not taking aberrants" excuse you ? Aberrants are the best unit in the GC army. Which, isn't saying much considering GC are pretty much trash sadly. But aberrants, for sure, are one of their best units if not the best.

[@Knights_Oath]

GSC were written to rely too heavily on their deployment abilities and are over costed for 9th.

[@RavenAdventwings]

I agree with you on the Aberrants. With the right set up support (no, not you Biophagus) a unit or two of Aberrants bearing down on the enemy rear is going to throw the enemy's entire battleline into chaos. They're meant to play the surprise Hammer to the Acolyte and Neophyte Hybrid's Anvil. With the Abominant thrown into the mix to buff those Aberrants, they're going to tear a big hole in the enemy's back end while their main fighting force are bogged down by our squishier brothers holding them down in the midfield.

[@SoldierChamorro]

Damn, I was betting on T'au Hammerheads, significantly worse than Broadsides while being much more expensive.

[@ZetsubouGintama]

Even in Dawn of War Burna Ork is bad since it was attatch to Slugga squad so they coming melee without using the burna a lot.

[@TheNaturalnuke]

Thoughts on Renegades and Heretics units? Found in Legends pdf

[@BrianZoidberg]

the burna boy is not great, its that the burna becomes an ap2 melle weapon that makes them not the worst. The snazzwagon is worse, fills no role that everything else in fast attack does better, Stompa is worse, 4 tiers and ludicrously expensive in points plus LOW are garbage unless u have 3. Flash gitz are worse, overly priced nobz with overly priced guns.

[@Skull_Boi1]

I love soul grinders look but I really hope they get better when the daemon codex comes out, I can only ever want to take it during non competitive games.

[@diamondsfarms461]

So for the transvector Right now it transports all Imperium Infantry So yeah

[@ethanwelner1230]

Squigbuggy is worse than burnas or the stompa, don't @ me

[@darkmonger6244]

Didn't the Fleshmetal weapons rule use to let the Mutilators choose to use one of a bunch of different melee weapons?

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

32:05, is that wahapedia I see? Yes now I can justify using it

[@TacticalTortoise]

Yeah I *highly* recommend wahapedia It's such a useful and well-maintained resource

[@zanmatoshin877]

I actually used to play vortex beast alot! Boosting termies strength or horrors strength was really nice or have tzaangors +1 str and AP. Nice and flexible. Not very killy but somewhat tanky for the points☺️ strength 7 +1 to wound horrors with reroll 1s reroll1s and 90 shots is hilarios😄

[@samuelswinamer4939]

I know it's a lot of work and other channels have gotten into it, but do you think you'll be doing a review of the new admech dex? I'm not sure how much of the new Admech you're seeing on TTS. Great stuff as always!