The Wreck of Battleship Roma - Shattered and Buried in Silt

[@skyneahistory2306]

And reported. If you responded to the comment and notice it missing, that’s why. I try to not comment or otherwise get involved with politics, but ‘literal Mussolini apologia’ is a bit beyond what I want in my comment section. Especially when it gets close to Nazi apologia as well.

[@ostrich67]

That's why I don't tell anyone that I'm a WWII buff. Too many of them are a little too admiring of the Axis.

[@nunyabidness674]

@@ostrich67 I also am a bit of a buff, and while I am rather impressed with some of the axis generals, the politicians I cannot quite comprehend. I also catch a fair amount of crap for expressing the opinion that many of the allied generals were such (For lack of a better word) Karens that it shows just how badly the axis politicians hamstrung themselves. Piss poor performance from the allies side being met by all the performance the axis could wring out, and the axis still couldn't hold their own.

[@ostrich67]

@@Joe_Blow215 Heywood Jablomi

[@NashmanNash]

You have been in the kbismarck forum aswell i see :D@@ostrich67

[@thekingsilverado3266]

Putin & Xi should make a note this is the way the yis gonna view his ships in the future.

[@General.Longstreet]

RIP to this beautiful ship and the brave men who served on her

[@NGC-gu6dz]

First ship sunk by a radio controlled bomb, a crude percussion guided munition. Pretty major historical significance, and the ultimate death blow to the era of the battleship. RIP.

[@josephlongbone4255]

It really shows how tough Warspite's plot armour was that she (as a much smaller and older ship) took 3 Fritz Ex's and was still back in action to provide fire support on D-day.

[@davidmurphy8190]

Warspite lost use of X turret from that attack by Fritz X guided bombs.

[@josephlongbone4255]

@@davidmurphy8190 yes, she went into D-day with only 3 turrets active.

[@tanidigagliano]

Actually Roma was sunk because of her much heavier armour. First Fritz penetrate the entire hull while 2nd was blocked by the armored deck and exploded inside the ship. On the other hand Warspite armor made the bombs overpenetrate and explode outside the ship

[@federicomalignani4957]

Being italian,the wreck of Roma seems even more sad because she was sunk in the most critical days ever lived from Italy. She was attacked by an enemy that was an ally until the day before.Total lack of information and orders in the country led to a chaotic situation and many thought the war was over,instead the worse had still to come. Only the Regia Marina, under the strong command of admiral Bergamini (who died on the Roma),was kept in full efficency and everybody on the italian ships was conscious that the sacrifice of the surrender of the fleet was necessary for having less hard and heavy conditions from the winners. Many time I thought of what were the feelings of the men aboard,and for them the surrender was not an easy choice,being considered traitors from the germans and loosers from the anglo americans. Expecially considering that the Regia Marina fought with honor in the previous three years,and with heavy loss of lives. This devastated wreck represents for me the situation of of the country in those dark days.

[@thekingsilverado3266]

The Germans to this day still deny the sneaky sinking of that ship. They stated it ain't covered in pink weenies sauerkraut and bratwursts so they didn't sink it.

[@Martin77641]

This ship was a treat to the germans so it was the best thing to destroy it, than to let it give the enemies. Who wanted a big battleship go to the enemies? No one would do that. So you sunk it or it would be destroyed.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

I just read the story of the Roma - it's really devastating like the war itself. I am very sorry for the loss of so many lives - after they surrendered themselves already to the Allies. Being German I learned a lot of the WW2 history, fascism, Nazis - how they came about and especially how to prevent those anti-human ideologies again coming back. I love italy, have Italian family myself.

[@federicomalignani4957]

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Bavariancarenthusiast is a name that I approve,being myself a car enthusiast and having a little collection of four vintage cars. About the historical moment in which the Roma was sunk,in Italy happened tragic things. For everybody was a devastating problem to choose if following the orders of the king,who rapidly escaped to the South with his family,or following the german ally,having fought three years together....It was a matter of personal conscience not easy to solve,expecially when everybody faced that the war was not over,and the worst had still to come. And I perfectly justify the german bombing of the italian fleet,from their point of wiew,as I understand that the italian ships did little to avoid the attack,because they were not sure to be attacked. The italian armed forces were in total confusion with a total lack of orders,and the tragedy of the Roma was the result of that chaotic situation,even if the navy was the only italian armed force to remain solid and with the sacrifice of the surrender and the loss of the Roma (and of many minor ships in Italy,in the Aegean,in Yugoslavia,in Greece) made possibile to have better peace conditions.

[@turambar620]

8:47 one of her rangefinder for the secondary artilerry. Upsidedown, you can see the gear. There where 4 of them, 2 beside the bridge and 2 beside the funnels further back. At 7:02 the rangefinders for the 90mm AA. The secondary turret from 6:07 is completely blown of. The pictures shown the gun and powder elevator openings. After a closer inspection its not the case that the superstructure falling away from the main hull. The Hullpart is burried underneath the superstructure. good work so far

[@Martin77641]

Okay this is it. I thought it could be a turret because of the gear.

[@turambar620]

I doppel checked some pictures. At 8:47 the big door puzzled me. It is the starboard rangefinder and i mixed it up. This is one of three rangfinders, 2 beside the bridge and one on the second tower behind the funnels. Those are the Main AA Rangefinders. At 7:02 are kind of backup rangefinders for each 90 mm turret.

[@12LoLproductions]

She was a beautiful ship, shame she didn't live on to be a museum piece

[@Brock_Landers]

Absolutely. Those Italian ships were works of art.

[@robertstone9988]

The Italians were so broke after the war there's no way that ship wouldn't have been scrapped if the British were forced to scrap warspite you know the Italians couldn't have kept any of their ships they just didn't have the money luckily the Germans made that decision easy for them

[@easterworshipper730]

Too bad they were part of the italian Navy.

[@liamcorcoran8575]

@@robertstone9988fritz x go brrrrrrt

[@Ah01]

@@robertstone9988Italians had two battleships (Andrea Doria and Duilio) commissioned until 1956, does not sound like being bankcrupt. If Roma had not sunk, it would most likely been confiscated by the victors, just like Italia and Vittorio Veneto. The two forementioned rebuilt WW1-veterans were considered second line units anyway and thus italians got to keep them under their own flag. Long story short: Roma was never gonna be a museum ship in Italy, but it had nothing to do with the state finances. Still a pity that neither one of the Dorias was kept, they were absolutely beautiful ships too. Actually that may have had something to do with the lack of public fundings, and also the fact that fascist Italy and it`s war policy in WW2 was a total shipwreck and there was not much enthusiasm in memorizing it.

[@carlogianotti-gx7si]

L'affondamento è avvenuto a poche miglia dal mio paesino Stintino, nel golfo dell'Asinara, in Sardegna. Io ho fatto il servizio militare nella Marina militare italiana nel 1983/84 e il mio diretto superiore era un anziano capo, superstite della corazzata Roma. R.i.p.

[@galendubois2714]

That’s my favorite Italian Battleship.

[@princessofthecape2078]

Most beautiful battleship of WWII. Not that that means much when you lack the AA suite to match even an American light cruiser. But still - just an intensely pretty ship.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

Good to see the Regia Marina getting some love.

[@MarshFlyFightWin]

DKM Scharnhorst will be a tough wreck to review as theres not many pictures and rough video from when they found her

[@A_p_T53040]

Or the German cruiser ship buried under a car park

[@MarshFlyFightWin]

@@A_p_T53040 it would be fascinating to learn of Heavy Cruiser Admiral Scheers state today after she was buried

[@kevinyoung9557]

I always felt the Italians made some beautiful ships. Nobody could have survived two fritz bombs. The poor girl never had a chance.

[@mcduck5]

I bet HMS warspite could have given it a shot!

[@kevinyoung9557]

@mcduck5 Maybe, but one X did a lot of damage to her, too.Warspite did survive it.

[@historynerd88]

​@@mcduck5One Fritz X was enough to cripple her and leave her dead in the water. Had the Germans managed to drop another in the mags (as was the case with Roma), she would have met the same end; likely with worse casualties, being older and less robust.

[@richardcutts196]

I believe the turret at 14:37 is a 6" secondary. The 15" turrets have a angled plate on either side of the guns that this does not appear to have.

[@alephalon7849]

Shipwreck Sundays sounds like a good title if you continue to put out videos that cover the rediscovered remains of sunken ships in the future.

[@Italian_Military_Archives]

Thank you for this video !

[@danielkapp9468]

14:20 is 100% one of the main gun mounts. I'd suspect it's either from the B or C Barbette due to it's depth (leaning more towards C as B would have considerable damage from being explosivly ejected i.e. the bottom would be mushroomed from the force of impact, and the guns would likely not be well fixed in their mounts from the force of landing back in the sea. That being said B would be much further away from the rest of the wreck, so it really depends on how close this is, as main gun mounts have a tendancy to drop straight down, suprised that it landed on it's side as they also tend to land face down and be completely burried in the seabed. On another note, those Fritz X bombs were insane, I doubt any capital ship at the time would of survived more than one, much less take two like Roma did. I know the only thing that saved Littorio in the same attack was the fact that the bomb punched through the entire hull and detonated beneath the ship, as it would of had a similar fate.

[@dillonpierce7869]

Uss savannah took one directly in 43 and made it home...... Rather badly wounded but made it.

[@danielkapp9468]

@@dillonpierce7869 I just read up on that (and saw the pictures), considering it survived a impact on it's magazine it's very impressive that it survived. Based on the damage, having allied ships close by and the remaining crew's' quick reaction no doubt saved the ship. From the pictures I am very surpised that the ship didn't immediately break in two. That says alot about the build quality and design of those ships.

[@dillonpierce7869]

@@danielkapp9468 very well built light cruisers that thing was part of a class of. Forget which one now I went and looked that up earlier to post that before I posted the comment. 😅

[@Backwardlooking]

Thank you for your time and research. 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@svgproductions72]

I’ve been following your channel for about a month now, your content is awesome! As a WWII navy/aircraft history KZbinr as well, I’m glad to see fellow creators getting so much spotlight!

[@rogerkay8603]

Loving your work fella

[@Klyis]

While I'm no expert on Italian aircraft the plane itself is visible (just below the the guns of the aft turret) in the photo of Roma sinking at the 1:00 minute mark of the video. It looks very much like a monoplane so my guess is that it is a RE 2000 and not the RO 43 biplane. Regarding the mystery turret at the end of the video, I think it is a main gun turret. In the wreck photo the side plate of the turret is angled inward towards the top and the guns are mounted close to the bottom of the turret which both match the main turret design. In the 1940s photo the side plate of the secondary gun turrets appear to be completely vertical with no inward angle and their guns are mounted nearer to the top of the turret.

[@ingos5233]

8:50 One of the secondary rangefinders, located midships next to the smokestacks, upside down. 10:40 That's the bottom of the ship with one of the bilge keels ("aletta di rollio" in Italien) to the right.

[@smokeyjoe4078]

I'm glad to find your channel. I always wondered how these ships are looking on their final resting place. Thank you for your work and your Videos. I can't describe HOW fascinating this is to me!

[@wesleypeters4112]

1,393 sailors, Admiral Bergamini, and Captain Adone Del Cima all went down with her after the attack by the Germans. A very sad ending for those men, many who would have been relieved that the war was over for them.

[@larsbose6279]

The war was not over for them they only switch sides.

[@juansintierra2590]

A severe but justified punishment from an angry and disappointed former ally who helped Italy every time it got into trouble (Albania, Greece, north Africa, ) and was paid back with a never before seen act of treason, not only surrendering unconditionally without previous warning to Germany, but worse still : turning immediately against the ally with whom they had formed the Axis pact and had shared the burden of 3 years of war together against the Allied Powers. What a shame.

[@steakczar8425]

Would love to see you cover the wrecks of iron bottom sound. Would probably need to be split into multiple videos, but I think it would be fascinating. Excellent work as always!

[@kiwihame]

I always wanted to see Roma's wreck. Such a beautiful ship. Great content. She is is shabby shape.

[@BlindMansRevenge2002]

My Lord! Those fritz X bombs literally tore her to bits! So many sailors lost when that thing touched off the magazines! By now there’s nothing left of the bodies that were trapped aboard that wreck. Bone and tissue don’t last long underneath the sea.

[@ronaldgray5707]

A beautiful ship. Sad end. Roma had some of best and innovated optical range finding systems of the war. Poor ammunition manufacturing practices hindered her guns performance. Thank you for the video.

[@daviddrake9135]

Another great video GJ man ❤️

[@USAACbrat]

The day Roma was sunk; i joined the US Army Air Corps as a dependent.

[@michaels.5878]

Love these. But would like to see a comparison to what we are seeing on the wreck to a photo of the ship. Thanks

[@AlexVanEks]

Fascinating to see a ship ive never heard of! Lovely coverage over what little information was available and what a fascinating wreck. I wonder if she would do well with higher tech sonar or if the silt would muddle the images. Regardless of political views, rest in peace crew

[@johnfranciscastilloatienza2555]

This video about Italian battleship Roma is interesting

[@DK-gy7ll]

If you're willing to listen to some constructive criticism, please don't use up so much time making disclaimers and caveats, and focus more on simply telling us what you know about the subject. Nobody expects you to have the answer to everything, and it makes the listener feel like they're listening to a lawyer rather than a historian. Aside from that though I really enjoy your presentations and the pictures you use to explain them. Keep up the good work!

[@Hjerte_Verke]

Addong to that, work on your speaking cadence and choice of words for emphasis. The speaking sounds a bit stilted and not shall we say conversational, but like you're reading a script for the first time.

[@petepanozzo6854]

Amen!

[@franksposato6072]

Thank you again for covering this ship! I hope you will take a look at Ark Royal, Danton, Victoria, and some of the found Tribal DD class too someday!

[@jjohnsonTX]

Very interesting how different oceans flow & deposit silt, and what it will do to man made objects. Pretty good pictures, in my opinion, considering the amounts of sand, dirt and debris floating around.

[@ruchem71]

They were a beautiful class of battleships.

[@ikke12345]

On the interactive map you see two rows of 90 mm anti aircraft guns, it is lik they are still in place on the central part of the hull

[@efnissien]

The rust on the Roma would be down to the depth it lies at. Unlike those of American ships of the Pacific campaign, or Titanic, the Roma's lies in 'shallow' waters where the oxygen level in the water is higher.

[@tommasogubiani3768]

Excellent video. Just one thing to point out at 5:35 the miunting is a twin 20/65 breda not the 37/54, you can see the difference between the two because the 20 mil as the barrels stuck on top of each other while on the 37 they are at the same higth. The nexy picture shows infact the 37 millimiter mount

[@Martin77641]

Great video, I like it. I think at 8:52 is a secondary turrent upside down. It looks familiar like a turret or something that you can rotate.

[@avnrulz8587]

Always surprised by the depth of the Mediterranean.

[@MarkGeraghty]

The Mediterranean Sea has an average depth of 1,500 m (4,900 ft) and the deepest recorded point is 5,109 m (16,762 ft) ±1 m (3 ft) in the Calypso Deep in the Ionian Sea.

[@chrishartley4553]

10:35 Those the bearings for one of the main gun turrets? You can see some in place at 14:00.

[@Ryan-ch7yk]

'Ship a week with Skynea' i find rather catchy, derived from the 'ship a day helfrich' nickname of a famous dutch submarine officer during ww2

[@gregorioconti5998]

Amazing video!

[@HM2SGT]

🤔 *I wonder if there's something particular about the environment or the steel that makes this wreck so much more vulnerable to deterioration when compared to pacific or Atlantic wrecks?*

[@travissmith5945]

Warmer water makes for easier deterioration as well as possibly the silt and mud

[@MarkGeraghty]

Also shallower depth means more marine life/bacteria that feed on iron.

[@level98bearhuntingarmor]

Love the look of the Littorios, wish Littorio/Italia was preserved

[@toddkurzbard]

Considering how deep her hull fragments are, I have to wonder if, over time, her heaviest remains will sink further and further into the sea floor.

[@fredwood1490]

Quality of the paint and the quality of the steel under it play a significant role in the rapid rusting of this ship. It has been noted that, apart from Bambino's rantings, Italy was not ready to fight a major war, lacking good, modern technology and materials. I knew a few of those old Italian Sailors and they were good men, strong and brave and devoted to their country, so no blame should lay on them. Italy's own Military-Industrial complex was very much to blame for wasting so many lives and so much wealth. There is a lesson there for today too.

[@sirboomsalot4902]

1:32 Is that Roma? I’ve always seen that photo attributed to being HMS Invincible

[@divinerowecom]

I just checked pictures of the sinking Invincible. They seemed quite alike but the stern of the Roma is already overturned which was not the case on the pictures of Invincible

[@sirboomsalot4902]

@@divinerowecomThat’s true, I forgot that Invincible’s stern stayed upright. Glad I know this photo exists now

[@davidbarnsley8486]

It amazes me about how rusty it is 👍👍

[@jesstreloar7706]

9:04 with the gear ring showing, I would have to believe that is a turret or director upside down in the slit.

[@sanjosesharks3534]

Will you be doing a video of the battleship Bismarck and her sisters? Plus will you do a video of h.m.s hood

[@NashmanNash]

How sturdy did the italians build her that she remains visually pretty intact after turning one of her turrets into the heaviest sea to air rocket ever?

[@thatwormhole1760]

I wish you did one on the HMS Invincible R05

[@leroysgamesandmore2226]

After watching this video again I’ve decided to do a diorama of her wreck a very rough idea of what it looks like today

[@MrRjh63]

If your doing shattered shipwrecks you should do one on the most famous one the Hood.

[@bobcohoon9615]

It was quite a heavily armoured ship,so a lot of it is alloy steel many inches thick . I think main armament was 15 "

[@lukasito100]

Pity Barham , Zara and Fiume nobody looked for them. There will be no video. But I heard Neptune was found, and the Penelope , Eagle ?

[@salisburydiff1]

I would say the main turret found is not the one that was above the magazine explosion - the barbett and structure above would have much more damage - like the images of HMS Hoods turrets and barbetts - love this channel, pls keep it up

[@ronhastings8439]

"a roll fin" maybe a bilge key, sorry to state the obvious, a beautiful ship. What it would be to match all the great battleships in a fight.

[@alanh1406]

It looks like she was filmed in a blizzard.

[@JohnSmith-jl3fm]

The amount of silting even on the gun barrels themselves makes me wonder if there is a previous generation of ships buried from humans 🤔 great vid thanks.

[@giorgiotoso1039]

Thank you for putting together this nice video. Looking at the Italian Navy web site, there is a 57 minute video of a RAI documentary, in which there is some additional video of the wreck, as well as useful related comments. But the video is in low resolution (240), and all in Italian, which is no problem for me. I t contains a short interview of the son of Amiraglio Bergamini, and other people related to survivors of the Roma sinking. I can help with translation, should you be interested.

[@zacklewis342]

I think your translation "signal box" was exactly that, a semi-circular locker that held signal flags.

[@lolloblue9646]

Reverse-translating with Google gives me "cabina di manovra", lit. "maneuvering cabin." Ring any bell?

[@danb9312]

I wonder if a lot of the ship is preserved in the silt but we will never know?

[@justincooper5189]

Do you have any pictures of this ship from before it sank? It would be difficult, but possible to compare the before pictures with the debris on the ocean floor. It makes me wonder if Italy would be willing to let someone with current imagery tech take a second look at this ship, so they, and the rest of us, can get a good look at what happened to this one. After all, we may know that the Germans sank it because they were losing and the Italians were switching sides, but the footage shown doesn't give full details of what happened to the ship on its way down to it's current location.

[@ricksadler797]

Did they use poor quality steel??

[@INUYASHASR]

Please do Ark Royal next!

[@reinaldorios2518]

We should have learned from the unsinkable Bismarck and the unsinkable Titanic (and we also have the Yamato). As in the movie Titanic..."she is made out of iron sir, and she will sink!"

[@launcesmechanist9578]

The first warship ever sunk by radio-guided munitions, the German Fritz-X guided bomb.

[@christopherhanton6611]

very neat sad what happened to her

[@thinaphonpetsiri9907]

Consider the violent nature of her sinking, she could have been worse, at least there are some more recognizable parts compared to some other ships that got blow apart.

[@leroysgamesandmore2226]

It’s surprising how rusted she is compared to other wrecks

[@boqndimitrov8693]

the people on board probably thought that the war was over for them. and then - their until recently allies killed them! what a sinister irony..

[@actonman7291]

The blowing up turret and still did not break in half means this ship had an exceptional damage control crew that keep it afloat saving hundreds of sailors

[@Orangefan77]

Um... what?

[@actonman7291]

@@Orangefan77 um what? What?

[@stralabastro142]

Italian sailors were much more trained than the ones in the army

[@jeraldsamuel5598]

Why didn't you say exactly where it's located.

[@Aelxi]

There are ppl looking to illegally salvage the wrecks. Best not mention the exact locations.

[@blue2sco]

It's a grave leave it alone. A few Royal Navy wrecks in the Pacific have been looted and lost.

[@obsidianjane4413]

"roll fin" would be a bilge strake in English.

[@trickydicky2908]

Those 'Fritz-X' bombs were badass. If the Japanese had them, oh my!

[@Urbicide]

I would consider the Kamikaze to be the equivalent.

[@genekelly8467]

Naval architect Cuniberti designed the ship for speed; which dictated thinner armor than was customary. This may have contriubuted to the loss.

[@Aelxi]

No. Engineer Umberto Pugliese, designed Littorio class. Roma had 13.8 inches of belt armour and 6in max deck armour. In comparison HMS Warspite which survived same kind of bombs that sunk Roma, Fritz X, had 13in belt and 3in deck. And Roma's armour is comparable to other contemporary battleships. It was just bad luck.

[@historynerd88]

Cuniberti died in 1913. Hard for him to have given any advice on how the Littorio-class was designed. And, while he liked speed, his proposal for an all big gun battleship did envision a proper 12" armor belt.

[@grimreaperscreed5938]

She must been blown to pieces..

[@mikeggg5671]

She was. We sunk her, because she was en route to betray us

[@stralabastro142]

nope didnt even split in half

[@cratecruncher6687]

Being an enthusiast of all things Italian with wheels, I can confirm that the rusting blobs of oxidized iron and steel are of genuine Italian origin.

[@jungothemal7201]

Put a radar on italian navy, sit back and watch 😉

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Don't modern Italian warships have radar?

[@maineiacman]

Of course even Italian battleships rust fast.

[@Aelxi]

My girl ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ

[@bill5982]

Image processing software would clean up the pictures a lot.

[@ColinFreeman-kh9us]

That’s what ya get for joining the enemy

[@akmaui3324]

hey there ! can you explain why sonar images are reflecting a shadow on ship wrecks ? i thought light couldn't penetrate water to a certain degree ?

[@HM2SGT]

You're correct in that light does not penetrate to the depth, but just as light casts a shadow, sonar casts shadows. When a target is scanned, everything on the opposite side of the scan source is in the shadow of the scan target.

[@albertorossi2793]

Per me la classe littorio è la più bella mai realizzata per quel epoca e che gli americani non sapevano cosa avevano tra le mani 🤦

[@DominiqueLebegue-gr6ul]

Dommage que les commentaires ne sont pas en français

[@RH-om1ph]

I read it as "Shattered and burried in shit" at first

[@crazybarryfam]

RM not RN

[@Aelxi]

Then explain Regia Nave

[@crazybarryfam]

@@Aelxi Regia Marina, nave is boat in Italian.

[@Aelxi]

@@crazybarryfam then Regia Nave = Royal Boat/ship. So RN-Regia Nave-Royal Boat/ship-Roma is correct. Even Google search results show as 'Regia Nave Roma' or 'Regia Nave Pola'.

[@skyneahistory2306]

Furthermore, there’s a nice picture of Impero’s keel laying that very clearly has ‘RN Impero’ written on it. Maybe stick that in a community post. Hmm.

[@sirboomsalot4902]

It’s RN, the N is for “Nave”. A ships prefix usually isn’t the name of the navy it belongs to (KMS/DKM and IJN/HIJMS were not actually used by the Germans and Japanese respectively. They did not have official prefixes for ships)

[@thekingsilverado3266]

The Italian Navy has learned how to make and fire a much better meatball since back then. I get em down the local market all the time and they R great. Just if ya wanna do any damage with em against an enemy ship ya gotta shoot em while they is frozen. Otherwise y'all couldn't even dent your neighbors car.

[@richardderosset6960]

Everyone knows that the "ROMA" sank after hitting an Iceburg.

[@giudicedredd9195]

The Littorio class, the best battleship class of World War II

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

I assume that you are Italian?

[@giudicedredd9195]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 It's not just about being Italian. Simply someone who knows battleships and history. Then if you're one of those ignorant fanboys who think that the best battleship is the Yamato or the Bismarck. Then it's your problem

[@lolloblue9646]

Sorry, but the Iowa Class would take the title for that. The Littorio Class was the best *European Axis* battleship class. (Bite me, Kriegsmarineboos)

[@giudicedredd9195]

@@lolloblue9646 What you wrote is half right. It is true that the Iowa class is the only class of battleships that can stand up to the Littorio class. Since the Iowa 406 guns and the Littorio 381 guns have the same power and range (while the Littorio has superior penetration). As for the armor are also here quite equal. The Littorio’s armour was designed to withstand cannons from 400 to a distance of 10000. But the real difference is the enormous speed and agility of the Littorio class. In fact, as Admiral Fisher says, "the best defense is speed". That’s why Littorio could defeat Iowa. Even if in the end as Bismarck and Hood teach us, luck is what makes the biggest difference

[@giudicedredd9195]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 I’m someone who knows about battleships, unlike you

[@Владимир-х1в8б]

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