The Wrong Oil Could be Causing B58 "Injector Failures" (LSPI Explained)

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@kern417 Ай бұрын

Order your Discounted B58 parts through my BimmerNetwork Affiliate Link (Coupon Code "kern417"): www.bimmernetwork.com/?afmc=kern417& My Preferred Oil for the B58 Engine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWPFpKucqt2Lm6s

@SlickJeff2020 Ай бұрын

Keep advocating for that 0W-20 and this is the results, soon or later you'll find chunk of you piston that is missing, I wonder why?

@TheKingAtlus Ай бұрын

I definitely talk about injectors all the time, very normal

@See.M.Swervo Ай бұрын

Kern, never stop posting. You are the goat. I hope I can shake your hand one day and genuinely tell you thank you. God bless you brother.

@postalpancho Ай бұрын

We also need to talk about Complete fuel system cleaners with Poly Ether Amine. It the fuel cleaner doesn’t have Poly Ether Amine then it is useless. Keep them injectors clean, don’t lug the engine, don’t use oil that has calcium in it, try to stick with oils that are certified to work with your engines.

@maxgnarnage Ай бұрын

Finally someone is making the B58 community aware of this. It specifically applies to DI turbo engines like the B58. I bring it up every time someone asks for oil recs. API SP only for me. Also keep in mind some oil additives, like liquimoly ceratec, have high levels of calcium that contribute to LSPI as well.

@SomethingSomething1337 Ай бұрын

😱 I put that shit in my engine last oil change! I had no clue

@maxgnarnage Ай бұрын

@@SomethingSomething1337 I've used it previously with no ill effect til i knew better. You'll never really know how it's doing unless your getting oil analysis done. This is a good video on why not to use additives kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXKqhWifo7aGmacsi=NFCT6CEbPUh5fTko

@2seep Ай бұрын

Just downshift. You’ll never have to worry about lspi

@Boosted.bimmer365 Ай бұрын

API sp oil what I’ve been using in about to switch from api sp 0w20 to LL01 liquid moly 5w40 because I watched another video from kern an he said LL01. So that’s why I bought that kind

@Boosted.bimmer365 Ай бұрын

What do you guys recommend I live in southern California

@Sold_a_dummy Ай бұрын

What I am hearing you say is always drive in sport mode and get an xhp transmission tune, done!! 😂 Thanks though your work is not going unnoticed. This channel is a staple of mine; it's great for research

@texnomex1245 Ай бұрын

LSPI has been linked to high Calcium levels in the engine oil. If you're using LL-01 or some other older spec oil, those oils have much higher Calcium levels than a modern SP synthetic oil.

@maxgnarnage Ай бұрын

Also certain oil additives have high calcium levels . . . like liquimoly ceratec!

@540irwd Ай бұрын

what about Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40? this is rated as API SP and at the same time meets the ll-01 spec

@postalpancho Ай бұрын

@@maxgnarnagealso if you are adding oil additives, you are essentially “watering down “ your oil and reducing the oil life. Shorter oil life=not as much protection. Just stick with BMW standards.

@texnomex1245 Ай бұрын

@@540irwd Only way to know is by oil analysis by Blackstone or SPEEDiagnostix. Might be able to find a KZbin video by someone who has had their Pennzoil Euro analyzed. Some European oils are really high in Calcium.

@busterscrugs Ай бұрын

@@540irwdsame story with castrol edge euro. you’ll be fine!

@jamsbong Ай бұрын

The GR Corolla also suffered from this LSPI catastrophic failure. The failure is so bad that it blew a huge hole in the engine block!

@edc15de Ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. So basically with a bigger turbo that spools at f.e ~ 3700 rpm vs. the stock turbo that comes in full boost at ~ 2500 rpm, I'm less prone to have that problem. And I use PEA fuel additive from time to time, always high quality fuel (RON 102 EU / 95 octane US) and API SP 5W30 oil. So it's about time I order my bigger turbo, only to prevent LSPI, of course. 😂

@o-oo-oo-o3234 Ай бұрын

I wonder how true this is, might have just convinced me a pure turbo is the best reliability upgrade for my 440 😂

@edc15de Ай бұрын

@@o-oo-oo-o3234 It's just a guess from my side but LSPI occours mostly in a low revs up to 2000 rpm with high load. So on the stock turbo, from around 1500 rpm (pedal at 100 %) you feel the boost building and at 2000 rpm it starts to go pretty nicely already. With a big turbo, it should be like completely dead up to 2500 rpm or so which means there is not much load at all at 1500 to 2000 rpm (engine runs basically like a natural aspirated one). So the load will be a lot less in that rev range AND I would clearly not be trying to accelerate in that rev band anyway. I could even reprogram the gear shifts with XHP so that the engine is in the 2000 to 2500 rpm rev band when I want a little bit of acceleration instead of 1500 to 2000 rpm where I have "only" like the 300 Nm (~ 220 ft-lbs) of torque from the N/A engine.

@rolandotillit2867 Ай бұрын

Main cause of LSPI, too spicy tune at region of max BMEP 2,500-4,000rpm, or flooring it a lot in that rpm range. Bad quality gas, and engine oil with too much calcium detergents.

@racingdaily3674 Ай бұрын

I shared the Engineering Explained video about LSPI in a B58 group a long time ago and no one wanted to talk about it. 😂

@seeyawouldntwannabeya347 Ай бұрын

You say don't lug the engine by pushing down on the gas while at a low engine speed. One thing I found on another video if you hold the left (-) paddle switch on the steering wheel for a few seconds it downshifts the trans and rev matches the engine so you can do this instead of guessing what gear to use to accelerate and avoid lugging the engine. I have a 2023 M340 and it works on my car. It is really cool the way it rev matches for the down shift. Hold the - paddle for a few seconds then punch it and hold on cuz it's a b58 engine. For what it is worth.....

@cuttingedgecool7235 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this fundamental information on how to chose an engine oil based on specifications and approvals actually being met or exceeded, not just recommended.

@prometheus1354 Ай бұрын

That brought back some memories lol. I remember looking up lspi info when i 1st got my n54 back in 2012. Surprised its not more common knowledge to avoid oils with higher calcium levels in the additive packages. Those destroyed pistons look more like ring land failures from rings butting. Pre-ignition damage is very noticable on top of the piston.

@ralkros681 Ай бұрын

Honestly, with all the new small engines with turbos, now is the better time than ever for amsoil. I believe even their oe line boasts 100% LSPI protection iirc. Though it's probably got some caveat to that claim. I'm glad I went with a non turbo Forester as ever since I read about lspi a few years ago I've been nothing but paranoid for others

@TheFanatic340 12 күн бұрын

I ran their signature series oil for years with over 700hp in mine. Excellent oil. Still used 0w-20 too.

@DblA90 8 күн бұрын

Mechanic sympathy, ha, love it

@onekind1554 Ай бұрын

Engineering explained has a great video on oil and lspi great video definitely recommend watching

@LionHeart567 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the information. In Europe I never checked the API certification, only LL-04 oil. I just see even my BMW original Twin Turbo 0w30 bottle for N55 is API SN only. Shell 5w30 and 0w30 the same. One of the Liqui Moly is API SP on their website, the two others SN only.

@edc15de Ай бұрын

I'm from Germany and I use "Aral Super Tronic K" 5W30 in my B58, it has API-SP and BMW LL04.

@JustBadly 29 күн бұрын

Small Ford engines are bad for this but Ford run an engine at 120°c which I think contributes to pre-detonation. Ideal engine temp for a street engine is about 85°c but you see them running over 105°c which is asking for trouble. With over hot running temp the piston/bore gap goes up and add LSPI it's no wonder pistons are taken out. Mfrs have been running hotter year by year but for an engine to start at -15°c the piston/bore gap can only be so small or the piston will be stuck in the bore at cold start. Therefore there is also a maximum temp for a street engine to run at.

@the_batmobile0.4 Ай бұрын

Amsoil signature Series.

@jpbredenkamp5091 Ай бұрын

Kern, you’re the man. Thank you for these videos

@chippyjohn1 Ай бұрын

SN plus is also suitable for preventing LSPI

@chippyjohn1 Ай бұрын

If the oil rating changed from SN to SP, it most likely has had a chemistry change also. You would need to send both sample to a lab and have them tested. Automotive oil manufacturers can change the chemistry without notifying the consumer.

@AMS611 Ай бұрын

Only semi-related but it’s interesting to hear that calcium and magnesium have somewhat antagonistic roles in LSPI, as they have a similar relationship (physiologically speaking) at the neuromuscular junction

@bikingmoments Ай бұрын

It’s interesting that LSPI damages different parts in different engines. Honda 1.5T has seen massive blown head gasket while their fuel injectors rarely got damaged.

@torentmonkey Ай бұрын

Back in 2017 when this started happening people called me stupid for saying that oil chemistry is causing the abnormal preignition with di engines. It's also not just "low engine speed" but also midrange can occur under certain conditions. TLDR is that taking calcium out is good in this case if you substitute with other detergents. I'll also say one more thing that people say now I'm "eating dog sjht": Premium gas, especially on DI engines, has a massive impact ( good as in low ) on engine bore wear. The volume of gas mixed in the ring lang area with oil is huge on DI engines and a good gas will actually change your oil analysis iron content change to change :)

@m5nut Ай бұрын

Thanks for the great info as always Kevin. Good advice on the lugging, it was something I was taught 25+ years ago and it irks me how the stock turbo makes so much torque low down. Not only as it's not how I like torque to be delivered across a revband, but also for the damage it can do. I'd love to be able to DIY tune my OTS map myself, or create my own custom meaps. Maybe I should look into..... This has also got me thinking about what oil should go in at it's next service. I'm sure I've watched a vid you did on it already, but I have zero memory so I'll go find and re-watch it LOL Again, you do this community a great service man 💪👊👍👍

@twinscrolled Ай бұрын

Yep and look what engine oils that are popular on this platform that are not API SP rated.

@mbeacom21 19 күн бұрын

If an engine says it can take 0w20 or 5w30, which would be better for reducing LSPI? I dont care about fuel efficiency I just want the lowest chance of LSPI.

@MallyG30 27 күн бұрын

Question. Are you still using your engine cover with your pcv delete? if you are can you show how you set it up .

@F32_Rocket Ай бұрын

Another Kernel (.dll?)of wisdom from the man, the myth, the legend. Good info to know

@John-yh9wf Ай бұрын

How about Italian Tunning from time to time? What is your opinion? Thanks for the videos!

@danielwilliams214 Ай бұрын

Lspi was only found in low displacement engines. Do to lugging. Why you should never put a load on the motor at low rpm and and high gear.

@MrGuvEuroman Ай бұрын

I thought the knock sensor would have controlled this? I try to use ESSO 99 with 2X detergents in, you can smell the cleaner and octane when you fill up.

@kengit2 Ай бұрын

Knock is not the same as LSPI. Reason why knock sensors cannot save you from LSPI. There is a part where he’s using the two terms interchangeably hence the confusion

@JT-of9qb Ай бұрын

@kengit2 Valid point, however knock and LSPI can go hand in hand, crappy fuel could contribute to LSPI as the car builds boost as well as cause knock/corrections in the mid range.

@lilyanimate7266 Ай бұрын

good to know thanks Kern

@robbyskyline Ай бұрын

Great video man again my guy 📹

@Kenneth5164 Ай бұрын

I’m sure this goes for the S58 as well

@radimfoucek8765 Ай бұрын

Hello, I have never heard about LSPI and what damage it can cause! 😮 So, normally, if you have good fuel, good oil which is in the temperature tolerance it should not happen, right? From what you said it happens when there are low RPMs and you request maximum power but this is typical BMW scenario. 😊 Everyone is trying to overwhelm others how fast can his or her BMW accelerate, right?

@george8336 14 күн бұрын

Damn I just got API SN for my gen 1

@SomethingSomething1337 Ай бұрын

What’s the best way to keep track of knock events? I always keep an eye on the “Condition for detected knockers” on BimmerLink dashboard while I’m driving around, this value is always zero (which I think it’s good) but is there a better way? Edit: can you share a link to your 0w30 Liqui Molly? I could not find it for my last oil change

@BartjeMssls Ай бұрын

Just checked castrol 5w30m and that has the sn-plus rating. The 5w30LL has the sn rating. Might be the reason why bmw does not approve the LL version anymore.

@davidhenry4265 Ай бұрын

Injectors went out on my b58 and flooded the engine with gas and lots of metal in oil

@ranmas2004 Ай бұрын

USE AMSOIL SIG SERIES OIL no more issues.

@StBernardFan Ай бұрын

Another great video… Thanks!

@future62 Ай бұрын

I first started hearing about this with the 2.3 Ecoboost engines. Nothing in this world is free

@legoman911 Ай бұрын

0w-20 API SP is the only weight I can find that is SP and is LL certified 🤷🏻‍♂️

@busterscrugs Ай бұрын

I do notice my B58 powered X3 “lugs” the engine way more than my F10 550i. Perhaps that lugging combined with wrong oil is causing these LSPI issues?

@meee80580 Ай бұрын

My BMW dealer is doing my oil change for less than I pay for just the oil…..

@hooncop Ай бұрын

Would you say running e40 would also maintain a cleaner fuel system similar to those additives?

@rickyvwt Ай бұрын

MOTOR OIL GEEK talks about that a lot.

@PlatanoFury 24 күн бұрын

I’ve been using liquid moly special tec 5w30 LL and it has an API SL classification? Should I switch back to 0w20 with the API SP?

@singular9 Ай бұрын

Valvoline is the way to go

@fitimio001 Ай бұрын

Great video!

@ProjectBMWevolve Ай бұрын

You mentioned being in low RPMs and hitting full throttle, I do that to initiate slides, and also feather the accelerator, which actually backfired and doesn’t let me continue the drift. it feels like it cuts all the power when I start feathering it.. especially since I do not have an lsd. Do you believe this will create big problems for me down the line as I am drifting/sliding the car more frequently. I do let it warm up, ride around, before doing it. Anything that you suggest I can do to prevent any damage…?

@mikew4796 Ай бұрын

Great info! I will be changing to Toptec 6600 based on this video.

@g20_bms Ай бұрын

That’s crazy, I decided I’m going to change my oil this morning and bought liqui-molly top tech because I’m putting a flash tune on it as I just got the ecu back and unlocked and thought some fresh fluids wouldn’t hurt. I also got Cerma tech additive because kies motorsports swears by it.

@Yruh4688 27 күн бұрын

I’ve been using penzoil Euro L and it’s API SN but meets bmw longlife 04, does this work as well?

@rayraycarter04 Ай бұрын

So which oil do you recommend, currently running Pennzoil euro spec

@davepaturno4290 Күн бұрын

Bottom line: Obey the owner's manual regarding oil (viscosity and certifications).

@SimoneBenati Ай бұрын

Kern sorry, what do you think of oil catch can, in s55/b58?

@chriskamen2152 Ай бұрын

What about API SL?

@edc15de Ай бұрын

That is a VERY old specification from 2001. Before API SP there was API-SN PLUS (also LSPI tested), before that API SN, API SM and before that API SL. I would definitely not use such a old spec oil in a B58.

@LionHeart567 Ай бұрын

And don't run the car with low fuel tank. Bmw says in the manual it can cause damage to the engine and believe me it's true !

@Zzafari7 Ай бұрын

thoughts on the 0W20 Top Tec 6600 for the b58? it has the API SP rating through FCPEURO

@grein545 Ай бұрын

It meets the BMW LL 17 spec. I use it on my b48.

@Chaletjohan-wo4ke Ай бұрын

@zzafari7 yes 0w20 6600 toptec i just changed one week ago in my x3 M40I. The norm is the most important LL17FE so 0w20. We Can use Also 0W30 Toptec 6100 LL12FE. 5w30 LL04 i absolutly don't advise. Components inside motor particulary Solenoïd of vanos Can make failure. So 0w20 interval 8000km and 💪🏻🔥😎

@g20_bms Ай бұрын

It's what I went with along with Cera Tec per Kies recommendation. I ordered it, so I will change the oil in a few days.

@goranmiskovic2685 4 күн бұрын

@@Chaletjohan-wo4ke Does Castrol Edge 0w 20 is good for my b58 engine ? In europe i can only find this kind of oil with LL 04 standards ?

@Chaletjohan-wo4ke 4 күн бұрын

@@goranmiskovic2685 LL04 is to old as i remind above you should use oil with the norm LL-12FE. It correspond for 0w30. But you Also use the LL-17FE 0w20 I run with this oil actually and no problem. 04-12-17 correspond of the years of the norms. So take care of this. It's really important. Castrol... Is not good better to use Liqui Molly.

@F32Peter Ай бұрын

Hey bro question cuz I feel like you’d know, would I be able to put F30 bc coilovers on f32? If it’s same bolt on top

@theodorecendejas1343 Ай бұрын

Would this affect n54/55 platforms as well or just b58? I’d say to always downshift or have rpms at least 3k before doin pull

@skate69641 Ай бұрын

0w-30 specialtec foreva

@pepeshopping Ай бұрын

The SP classification means nothing. Calcium level is the key!!!

@edc15de Ай бұрын

You only get SP certified if the calcium level is low in the oil and you pass the LSPI test.

@federicotorresbordils7624 Ай бұрын

Be aware with the motor oil you use in your T-GDI engine. BimmerN53

@adamxxvii2424 Ай бұрын

i use costco gas, there's a station 5 minutes from my house, saw a recent dyno video that compares gas and costco was included, it showed 7HP less compared to shell, car was making around 300HP avg, my buddies always told me to stay away from costco gas, i started thinking they were right but now that i know that costco uses additives i'll keep using it :]

@robotbro7187 Ай бұрын

costco gas has top tier gas certification, it can be trusted.

@postalpancho Ай бұрын

The main difference between Cosco, Chevron and Shell is the amount and types of detergents. There is a federal minimum amount of detergents but it is abysmal. This is not really going to affect hp but it does affect engine longevity.

@bladerunner6087 Ай бұрын

Stay away from bad ⛽️ fuel

@michaelcollins8774 Ай бұрын

I bought some genuine BMW oil from the bmw dealer and on the bottle it’s only API SN

@jackchueh1231 Ай бұрын

0-20?

@michaelcollins8774 Ай бұрын

No it’s 0w-30!! I thought it was supposed to be 0-20 but the dealer said it’s the right oil for the car

@jackchueh1231 Ай бұрын

@@michaelcollins8774 0-30 is not API SP and 0-20 is… both are dealer approved.

@catalin.c Ай бұрын

Currently using amsoil 0w30 signature, but ive just changed my turbo to a hybrid one (daw flowmax v2.5). Should i go a higher viscosity?

@trapgodnah9022 Ай бұрын

Uhhh my tuner likes 2000rpm full throttle pulls

@adsali03 Ай бұрын

Is this on the b58 gen 1 or gen 2?

@edc15de Ай бұрын

Both, even the B58TU1 has a little bit less compression ratio (10,2:1 instead of 11,0:1), they are still both in danger. But not as much as f.e. a 1.2 liter turbo engine.

@Hatchbacksnerd Ай бұрын

I use 5w30 C3 mobil 1 ?

@Hatchbacksnerd Ай бұрын

Acea C3. API SP

@Starscream8896 Ай бұрын

Is motul 5w-40 8100 xcess one of these bad oils?

@Starscream8896 Ай бұрын

On website it says it meets API SP, but on bottle says API SN ??

@kaleb8985 Ай бұрын

@@Starscream8896i use the same thing. Curious

@Starscream8896 Ай бұрын

@@kaleb8985 Hello, Thank you for reaching out regarding the API standards for Motul 8100 X-CESS 5W-40. We have made our search and according to our records the Motul 8100 X-CESS GEN2 5W-40 Motor Oil is indeed advertised with the API SERVICE SN. 8100 X-CESS Gen2 5W-40 also adheres to ACEA A3/B4 and API SERVICE SP requirements, and the API SP standard is fully backward compatible over API SN standard and all former API standards. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact us at anytime. This is what motul replied to me with. So Im guessing we are fine to use it haha

@kaleb8985 Ай бұрын

@@Starscream8896 that’s awesome thanks for that info! I see the same thing on their website now so we should be good 😅

@jamsbong Ай бұрын

Fuel wise. I almost always use Costco gasoline. They essentially have the cheapest TopFuel certified gas. BP actually is not topfuel certified. Marathon and a few other brands are.

@howardthings Ай бұрын

I use m1 0w-40 and at 72k miles it’s been pretty good to me

@edwardwitty Ай бұрын

LSPI is also caused by not using the right oil for Direct injection cars. As I’ve seen an Audi s5 in our workshop that suffered from LSPI due to wrong oil being used. FA20 Subaur engines suffer from this massively

@busterscrugs Ай бұрын

My bone stock Forester XT threw a rod at 58k miles despite using the proper oil and changing it earlier than recommended 😂 FA’s are just garbage engines.

@edwardwitty Ай бұрын

@@busterscrugs have seen this too. I’ve personally see 2 engine with cracked ringlands completely stock Wouldn’t surprise me lol