The YouTube Couple Torn Apart by an "Obsessive" Fan: Ryan Trahan and Haley Pham

Ryan Trahan and Haley Pham are called out in a video essay, and the response gets very messy.
In early September, a KZbin channel called SPV Laboratories posted a commentary video titled "ryan trahan and haley pham need to press pause."
Before it was made private a few weeks later, the video had nearly half a million views.
The video essay was just over two hours long and contained many criticisms about Ryan's and Haley's decisions and how they presented their actions to their young audience. And then it got really messy.

[@Shinigami-ve1mf]

Yea let's not visit a struggling country that needs tourists so they dont struggle

[@froufroudeluxe]

That was so tone deaf

[@Rose-xe4ct]

Right! I literally didnt understand what she meant by that?? Like isnt one of their main sources of income tourism??

[@junglejin3096]

Legit like tourism will help the country’s economy 😭😭 is she okay 😭😭

[@batulraza4203]

The way it's been a year and she's apologized multiple times

[@jellieschaos]

Exactlyyyy

[@aBADcold]

Hayley: She’s not even a real doctor. Like, I know nurses are doctors but... This is why you stay in school. Nurses are NOT doctors.

[@aBADcold]

Hman1827 Probably so

[@chronicallydisguised]

What bothered me is she was also saying the nurse didn't get to know her and was trying to get money from a scan🤦🏻‍♀️ idk, maybe its because I've spent so many years in and out of hospitals and I have a few cousins who are nurses that her whole attitude towards the nurse is just ugh🤦🏻‍♀️

[@aBADcold]

chronically disguised that whole snippet was a massive facepalm

[@iljaxox526]

@@CanHSoccer1827 any nurse would agree to this. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement from her.

[@sadieperry]

she sounded so ignorant. yes, nurses aren't medical doctors. obviously. but they still know A LOT, especially nurse practitioners.... and they are probably who she was seeing in urgent care.

[@flowerondiscord4254]

“Greece is economically struggling” “I highly not recommend visiting Greece” What you should do instead is visit Greece because it benefits from tourism. Well not right now but help Greece ok.

[@user-id2tv9cu8d]

i know you mean well but man.... the implication that people would go to "help" us sounds insulting. visit Greece because it has nice things to see

[@cheetodust745]

@@user-id2tv9cu8d it’s just a fact the economy is struggling, obviously it’s a beautiful place too why do you keep replying the same thing lol

[@anaalina5964]

Oh, so tourism out of pity? Ok.

[@ChristieBrooks]

Thank you, we are indeed struggling but our tourism rates are high and the hospitality Greece provides is wonderful, we really love having tourists and having them experience how beautiful the city and the islands are.

[@yellowbroz7120]

Piano woman hung above piano after “murdering” green haired man

[@kayjones7301]

Y'all ever noticed that it's the ones that "save themselves for marriage" are always the ones that get married ridiculously young?

[@idkwhattoputhere8575]

Yeah I assume it’s because they wanna do it quickly my parents got married young they were both 22 but they had been dating since 16

[@2them0on62]

How about you respect peoples life choices ? Stg it’s fun, you should def try it !!!

[@mariak4311]

No. Not really.

[@kayjones7301]

@@2them0on62 didn’t say I was disrespecting it, just making an observation. Maybe don’t get so easily offended?

[@2them0on62]

@@kayjones7301 im not offended lol. You putting quoting marks on « saving yourself for marriage » just feels like it’s invalidating it or something.

[@StrawburryPandaMC]

“People used to get married at 14” nah you mean forced to get married at 14

[@niamhc3600]

Ahaha literally like it wasn’t consensual

[@prachisaini1]

🙌🏻🙌🏻 eeyasssss..... And it's still happening in some f up countries.

[@MaddyLovesU99]

Child marriage is very different lol I’m talking hundreds of years ago people definitely married young because they all died by 30 or 40

[@anne-mirelieantoine9927]

Not always and depend on what culture

[@ordinaryotaku3066]

@@prachisaini1 happens in usa too

[@kufreituk8025]

In immigrant communities and families, we buy our parents stuff. It’s a way of thanking them for literally giving everything up for us

[@dianaval6082]

Exactly, we always help our parents out. Well at least the good kids.

[@yasmino.2193]

Yes I agree.

[@fadalerabrasool3563]

tbh I want to make up to my dad for always spending his money so i want to when i have a stable job send him money. because i feel bad for always forcing my dad into buying whatever i want for me

[@keturah7749]

Exactly, or we take care of them financially

[@VeehVon]

This!!!

[@peonylee4773]

As annoying as Haley is, this SPV guy is really creepy...

[@leahgrant4367]

Tbh

[@jillianhenriques]

He seems almost obsessive. I’m all for commentary videos but somethings off with him.

[@catcotton3517]

Yeah alot creepy

[@badlilthang2]

NGL HE IS THO. DID YA'LL REMEMBER WHEN HE SAID THAT SVP WAS WAYYY OLDER THAN HALEY AND RYAN?? YIKES....

[@flamethrower2703]

He admitted he has a weird sense of humor but yes somewhat creepy. His documentary is for that point. Being a documentary, meaning he needs to get all his info correct and valid, so I don’t find that creepy.

[@kaligerber2470]

"I know nurses are doctors.... maybe she was getting a commission for the CAT scan." Dollface, you really should have finished high school...

[@jessicanicoleprice]

🤣🤣

[@onebook195]

could someone tell me what a CAT scan is- i’m kinda uninformed.

[@jessicanicoleprice]

@@onebook195 It’s basically just an X-Ray image, but what it is isn’t really relevant to the point. Hailey was saying she thought they ordered a CAT scan to get commission (percentage of the sale) from it, as if they’re a retail employee🤦🏼‍♀️

[@onebook195]

@@jessicanicoleprice ohh mk

[@informanti]

Pretty sure that was a joke, meant to convey how strongly the nurse wanted her to get a cat scan, not that she actually believes nurses get commission... 🤦

[@sams3015]

It is just me or do young “Christian” influencers always seem to send messed up messages about expectations.

[@pinkie5963CP]

im not a Christian or religious in any way but i do agree 100%!

[@dubu-itis1795]

i’m christian but i kinda agree, but can we please not generalize? ❤️

[@moths_wing]

As a Christian, not all, but MOST do

[@pinkie5963CP]

@@dubu-itis1795 i think it's cuz this is what we're just used to of seeing on the internet. i understand that it doesn't give the religion good rep but with channels like Paul & Morgan, Girl Defined, etc. we cant help but criticize them. especially if they're giving out such outdated ideas and trying to enforce viewers to convert (i do understand that they're not trying to do that but it's just the feeling i get).

[@_Spy_]

Yep.

[@andreaxxxedge]

Am I the only person who thinks Ryan sounds WAY more mature and intelligent than Haley?

[@huntern4454]

I definitely think so as well.

[@olliekim1730]

i mean, he is somewhat older by 4 ish years

[@betteroff.buteraa1315]

@@olliekim1730 4 years? I thought it was 2

[@yaya804]

She's younger and less educated

[@betteroff.buteraa1315]

@@yaya804 it’s still 2 years right?

[@user-nm6nq8nu7e]

urgent care is URGENT care. they dont want to know you.

[@anamericangirl4078]

Wrong, urgent care or any care for a medical condition should always ask questions and get the feel of what's going on with the patient, hence get to know them. To just walk in, tell symptoms and get treated is why so many medical errors happen. Example I had an allergic reaction and went in to a not good urgent care and they just seen the hives and left. Never asked questions or read my information I filled out. They prescribed me a medicine I am allergic to and that I clearly put down. And had they asked i would have also told them. I think maybe you are misunderstanding the "get to know me" quote she used. Its more like get to know my symptoms, what I've ate in the last few days, where I've been? Get to know the patient well enough to find if there is a clue to why these symptoms accured. Not like be friends and know my life story...

[@mikayla8642]

P

[@user-nm6nq8nu7e]

@@anamericangirl4078 i literally work in an urgent care. urgent cares are urgent. they aren’t supposed to get to know you unless you’re a regular patient.

[@anamericangirl4078]

So just an opinion to anyone reading this..If you ever enter a medical facility and they treat you cold, or like you're a bother and don't ask questions or enough of them, I suggest you leave and find another establishment. Do not think urgent care is supposed to be a band aid. You are to be treated as if you were visiting a regular doctor. I would not expect anything less from medical professionals. - Nurse Practitioner NP

[@user-nm6nq8nu7e]

@@anamericangirl4078 thats not what i said??? you’re so weird trying to make up your own story. all i said was that its an urgent care and they are urgent.

[@undersuncheese5829]

If I were to visit Greece, I'd visit it for its culture, not for instagram photos. 😶

[@sopigmented6306]

I'm Greek, we ain't got culture hun. don't confuse yourself with ancient greece, save your money for somewhere better

[@flixs1353]

And that's because you are you not her

[@beastboy6359]

@@sopigmented6306 lol thanks for the information.

[@beastboy6359]

@@sopigmented6306 SO wait where's the actual Greece?

[@beastboy6359]

@@sopigmented6306 in Greece?

[@antisocial1645]

This is how many people didn’t know who they are

[@maixe13]

@@ethereal6122 tf?

[@len6197]

no

[@zia7849]

@@ethereal6122 🙏

[@kerbeuz1669]

Wait people dont know them!!

[@camillenia3886]

GOD loves you all. GOD bless you all. Have a blessed day everyone!!..

[@artrage999]

am i the only one who like completely forgot about them?-

[@furrycum225]

No

[@darkqueen2256]

I still watch them

[@queenjamee5566]

I been forgot

[@Arsonist69]

@@darkqueen2256 Why tho?

[@pepperducks9019]

I didn't know them in the first place

[@alphahale7668]

So SVP dissected every second of their life and criticised every single thing they did, but when Ryan mentioned vague info about his life that in no way doxxes him, he got upset? Okay, dude.

[@WasatchHandicrafts]

THANK YOU. I don’t get why people are attacking Ryan and Haley

[@DSQueenie]

I think the difference is SVP isn’t a vlogger and hadn’t willingly put anything about his life online like these two had. Everything SVP commented on was put online by the couple themselves.

[@alphahale7668]

@@DSQueenie He put himself online one way or another. You don't get to harass someone over how they live their life and then cry when someone vaguely talks about yours.

[@genuinedelusionsmusic]

I couldn't imagine being 27, and spending countless hours studying some kids as if they don't have other adults to advise them...Doesn't he have his own life/marriage to focus on?

[@StefanTonioSampson]

IM SAYING!!! Ppl were so angry at the two of them, but BROOOOOOO- the stalker 'criticizing' is the one who needed to press PAUSE.

[@trofii.]

@@StefanTonioSampson THIS ^

[@dannyknight2597]

He just wants to adopt them 😭😭😭😭

[@CPLsmilez]

Bro, why are people upset with SVP?

[@Kodico]

@@CPLsmilez because the way he was analyzing and doing a deep dive on then was weird especially considering that Haley was literally 19 at the time. Like imagine if a stranger made a deep dive into your life and analyzed everything. He had some valid criticisms but it was just weird

[@themakeupaddict01]

Haley’s idea of “natural” birth control is based on a false reality. Yes you are more likely to become pregnant while you ovulate. HOWEVER, you can become pregnant at any time outside of that too. It’s a slimmer chance, but it’s still possible. The problem is that she is speaking to an audience of young teens who are just taking her word for it and probably have no idea you can still get pregnant outside that window.

[@lernyl]

ok but couldn’t you say the same thing about any contraception? condoms. you can get pregnant but it’s a slimmer chance. the pill. you can get pregnant but it’s a slimmer chance, and so on. what a person chooses to use as birth control is all up to the person. sure some kids can be naive but it’s unfair to place all the blame of haley. a young teen should be mature enough to understand the importance of birth control and choosing the right one for them. they should be going to a their doctor or at least do their own research online.

[@pixienyx4306]

I think it’s dangerous for anyone who isn’t qualified to discuss birth control. What so many people forget is as mentioned here, you can fall pregnant at literally any time. Yes it’s normal to release one egg per month during your window, but you can release multiple eggs throughout the month. It can and does happen, multiple births being the outcome. You can also ovulate during your bleed. As much as NFP can work for some people, it’s too risky to use as a full formal form of birth control. The only guaranteed protection from pregnancy is abstinence. Anyone on birth control of any form, even multiple forms, can fall pregnant if they have intercourse.

[@Rosiecotton2424]

Having horrible side effects from medical birth control is real and more common than you'd think. Family planning should be used alongside condoms and with that, it's decently effective. I was advised to use that when we aren't trying, and many of my other friends as well.

[@ven7ce510]

@@lernyl totally agree with you.

[@whitneyyvonne977]

And i also just want to add, apparently she did address everything in a podcast afterwards, which is a good thing. Hopefully she really did learn from this and learns that her words can have a huge impact. I don't know these people, so I'm learning what I know right now, with this video, so i don't know the full scale of things. I personally couldn't use pills or the shot for birth control, as I know all too well about how it just doesn't jive with some people. It made me violently ill and I've tried many kinds over a long period of time before i gave up and went back to condoms. Birth control helps with so many things though, other than just pregnancy. I have endometriosis and am just recently (literally within the last 2 weeks) trying to work with my gyno to see if i have PCOS and birth control would have saved me from so much agony, had it have worked for me. Figuring out what works with you is really important. This is a matter that she should have approached differently, and I'm glad she's correcting it.

[@jellieschaos]

The only thing I find off about them is the Greece video and Haley's criticisms...You went to Santorini in the off season, not in the summer. You didn't even go to the rest of the country, just the part dedicated to tourism...there is so SO much more to take in and explore and offer. As a Greek American who has been to Greece in August, everything she said about Greece is NOT Greece. You don't go and complain bc it didn't look like the instagram pictures. YOU don't look like YOUR instagram pictures. Gosh. People are the worst. Sorry, just annoyed.

[@urmom.69420]

I mean she said that her video reeked of entitlement and that isn’t who she is anymore and she realizes what she said wrong. Not sure why you’re still pressed over something she took down (for a reason) and made an apology for

[@frogdrug8282]

Yea that video says a lot about Haley at that time. Maybe she changed who knows, but I agree with you.

[@Aly_224]

@@urmom.69420 people have every right to be angry. Just bc she took the video down doesn’t mean ppl can’t be angry. Are you good 💀

[@chico4631]

@@Aly_224 bro it’s not that deep

[@furluxxy9367]

Kids will be kids .... sometimes when they get disappointed they don’t take other people’s feelings into consideration.

[@MajorStalker8D]

It’s such a tragedy this took a creepy turn. I thought the way Ryan responded to the video was really good. Instead of some others who’d just be like “oh he’s just hating” and ignore the valid criticism.

[@sophspice32]

frrr if spv didn´t also impersonate ryan´s friend and post creepy stuff i would love the video and the fact that it forced ryan and haley to take accountability and adress the valid criticism

[@francinev3971]

ryan and haley may have immature moments but spv seems to lack more maturity than they do. he literally has a family and chose to obsess over a couple of young adults, it's too weird. no one in their late 20s would obsess that much unless they themselves are either immature or a creep or both.

[@justjulia8007]

Well said.

[@freefalling6218]

Thanks for saying what needed to be said!

[@Rexorazor]

Well said. There seems to be a sick stigma against young adult wanting to marry even though they are financially stable.

[@basilallen1881]

Greece is economically struggling and they actually benefit a lot from their tourism so I would recommend visiting Greece actually

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

Greece has one of the best food in europe

[@peachimeachi8170]

@@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult Greek salad is literally my FAVORITE

[@LenaFerrari]

I'd definitely recommend visiting Greece. There's so much to see. Never been to Santorini, but Athens, meteora and a few "minor" islands, yes. They are defenetly worth the visit.

[@RealiTeaV]

Considering I’m heavily into Greek mythology and culture, I definitely want to go one day.

[@basilallen1881]

@@LenaFerrari if you ever plan on visiting again in the future Kalymnos. The beaches, and old churches are gorgeous. It’s also a very culturally steeped area with great seafood.

[@alex-jo8bc]

i never tjought i would see ryan trahan in one of these

[@elizandrareyes302]

Oh my god me neither I’ve watched them for so long and would NEVER expect to see either of their names in this type of content

[@tiyaku]

literally same

[@shinnn.]

same, i watched him like on 2018. His videos is fun ngl

[@alex-jo8bc]

@@elizandrareyes302 same ive watched a couple of his videos

[@mj-cd9fr]

@@rae2626 he makes commentary videos

[@cellostrings565]

I think it’s really messed up to over analyze young people like them. They’re so young and they’re learning. Imagine if somebody made a 2 hour documentary about you over the course of 2 years.

[@erin9110]

Super creepy 😳

[@amruta_hana]

I agree

[@9DeadDingo]

I mean who wouldn’t have that impression when you watch a you tuber for years

[@namsaibunnag7087]

AGREE

[@Radha-gk3cn]

Not really, spv was just a really old fan, you need to expect this kind of things as you become "famous"

[@ieevux]

I cannot be the only person who finds it weird that this SPV person LITERALLY "Analysed" their financial status, relationship and just their lives in general. Like that's soooo weird and creepy?? Not to mention, he doesn't know Haley's and Ryan's relationship and how they are behind the scenes, so who is he to sort of dictate whether they should get married or not? Imagine being almost 30 years old and being THAT invested into a 19 yos and a 21 yos lives, as well as relationship.

[@kuonjibaskerville2411]

SAME

[@FlourishingFrog86]

Exactly! Even if there are valid criticisms the "obsession" with their lives is so creepy and weird. I can see why a lot of people have complaints about a lot of the stuff that they have said/done but going into such detail about them and their lives is soooooooo creepy.

[@beavermustang5089]

Thank You a Sane person

[@lizzyjka8487]

I really like how Ryan talked about the whole situation, he was acknowledging where SPV was right and had a fair point but also pointed out where he was wrong and explained these things I liked it more when he brought Haley to talk about the whole Greece situation.

[@piguu7226]

Yes. I found their response video very reasonable but people are still flaming them lol.

[@kikikiller1153]

The anger was because when Ryan talked about SPV, he gave personal information about spv which they had agreed Ryan wouldn't mention

[@julieannanderson2228]

spv made a video that he thought the response was well done. He got mad because Ryan and him agreed that certain info would stay between them. Ryan blurted it all out on the internet. Information that spv worked to keep off the internet.

[@crystalwolcott4744]

I appreciated that their apologies seem genuine as well. They weren't saying things like "IF I offended someone" it was all "I'm sorry that I hurt people" and "I needed to recognize my privilege."

[@crystalwolcott4744]

@@julieannanderson2228 It's really almost like you didn't watch the video

[@ashe2fake]

being an asian, if i said i would drop out of school or not take college, i will invite all of you to my funeral

[@MadisonM1]

Haley is Asian too. But she also has more money than most will ever have with a college degree. And she has financially supported her mother since she was 17. I somehow don’t think her mom is mad.

[@ashe2fake]

@@MadisonM1 I am also African so technically you'll still be invited :'D

[@dusk4735]

@@ashe2fake girl are we the same person lol

[@ashe2fake]

@@dusk4735 both our funerals then

[@RealiTeaV]

I’ll bring flowers 💐 😂

[@shoggy1713]

OH they’re saving it for marriage no wonder they’re going fast

[@gabychuels2955]

LITERALLY MY FIRST THOUGHT

[@Cadence777B]

No

[@sophiawood6651]

well yea i mean majority of people i’ve ever seen waiting for marriage get married before 23

[@MyFavoriteColorIsGlitter]

I was thinking the same thing lol I feel like when people “wait for marriage” the relationship seems to go super fast. To each their own 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@jacksonmiller9536]

@@Cadence777B ⁹

[@ashleyhumbyrd7274]

Ryan’s response to this insanity really illustrates just how mature he is. He’s handling this better than I would and I’m in my 30s. I don’t think getting married young is a great choice, but honestly, it’s not my life. I married the man I was with from the age of 21 on. We waited until we were 28, but we had been together for ages, soot wouldn’t have made a difference in our situation

[@ElleEasternSuburbsMum]

Greece is absolutely stunning. Santorini is way more gorgeous in person than in pictures and I loved my time there. My husbands family is Greek so my kids are also Greek, so maybe I’m bias but I think it’s a lovely country full of even lovelier people💖

[@chickennuggets1990]

Also you guys did first make cake, right???

[@josselynaz6614]

Really :0 I can't wait to go there now

[@spiritedwolfe]

The country is beautiful, I was there for a mission of mercy trip. HOWEVER, Greece has a terrible government, the people are used to such an extent by the government that on a business level these people can't get out of debt that the government caused and basically is claiming that the debt is the people's fault not the governments. And the sad thing is, according to our guide, the people know this.

[@josselynaz6614]

@@spiritedwolfe Mercy trip like donation for people?

[@mariellakoufalis3356]

I’m Greek and Greece is really beautiful, you should teach your kids Greek because I wish I knew more of the language. I still have some time tho

[@LT.VIPERZzz]

Why would a nurse get to know you? She has tons of other patients. She doesn’t get to know you. Her job is to take care of people.... tf is with her?

[@chxco676]

If she doesn't get to know you... your schedule, what you eat, when your period is, etc... then how is she going to be able to "take care of people"... idk what you're trying to say

[@CB-bb2ix]

@@chxco676 that’s a doctors job lol. Nurses just ask about the current situation and treat you. It’s not a requirement to build a rapport. Some just do what they have to do.

[@lilovs9952]

@@CB-bb2ix but that’s exactly what Hailey said and she was bashed for “not respecting nurses”

[@taylor5495]

Doctors and Nurses aren't required but it's recommended that they have nice bedside manners, maybe the nurse didn't have that but it's not required. All they have to know is what is wrong with you so they can help you.

[@Emiliapocalypse]

Narcissism is what’s wrong 🤭

[@crystalwolcott4744]

While these kids clearly did some misguided things, they actually seem to feel remorse for it. Like their apology videos seem to actually talk about acknowledging their privilege and apologizing to the people they hurt, not just "if" they hurt someone. IDK at the very least, I can respect that. Sounds like growth to me.

[@shonagh8144]

I feel how she feels about the crisis at 19.. it’s still hard to balance being an adult and a teen and the transition to being an adult is settling down and getting a job

[@berniceanne]

Why does the friend sound so much more pressed than the couple though?

[@valeriachaidez8162]

Because the SPV guy from the video, made it seem as if he was the friend, he made it seem he was the one doing the video, that’s identity theft, plus if I was their friend I would be livid

[@luisthis1647]

Spv has a scary obsession with him. I’d be pressed too.

[@ann6370]

I'd want my friend to be angry on my part too. I think he's a true friend.

[@tkbliftime9730]

Id be even more furious if it were any of my friends, its called being protective of ur loved ones

[@batulraza4203]

Because impersonation is a crime 😀👍

[@youtubeguest6177]

I don’t know why, but I REALLY don’t like Haley. Something about her personality/vibe seems really obnoxious and off-putting. Idk

[@sleepystars8482]

She does not care, we are just internet humans lol. What an odd thing to say to your audience of internet humans.

[@GabrieleMBest00]

har fans have called her out for being rude and mean to Ryan. it was under a "my boyfriend does my ruotine" video. just looked like ryan was more in love than she was.

[@GabrieleMBest00]

@KELECHUKWU IWUNZE birth control is not only for preventing pregnancy. it helps people with heavy periods, bad cramps, clear skin. teens at 14 get prescribed bc pills.

[@GabrieleMBest00]

@KELECHUKWU IWUNZE I am a woman who has other women friends who use birth control. I think I know more than you about what I put in my body. yes birth control Is used in teens and adults to help with bad periods.

[@GabrieleMBest00]

@KELECHUKWU IWUNZE birth control literally stops tour whole period depending what pill you're on, yes it absolute gets rid of cramps if you have no period to begin with

[@sairaaahmedd1306]

I feel like this young couple handled these issues really well and people still want to pick them apart. They were respectful in the beginning accepting that they have made mistakes and that good points were made in the video..... that is NOT how many immature and rude influencers respond to these things, people always get wayyyyy too wrapped up in the lives of social media personas, many of these people make the same type of mistakes as any other person their age.

[@marigabyba5786]

This is insane, it is crazy how serious everyone is taking this. I do not follow Ryan Trahan nor Haley Pham, but it is crazy to think that people should have a saying on the way people live their lifes, the way they spend their money, how they handle their reproductive control, etc. They should be able to live their life however they want and can and they have no duty to educate or even set a good exaple for their followers, each of them is responsible for their own decisions and outcomes.

[@dannyknight2597]

Exactly

[@nataliestillwell7430]

fully agree with this

[@santilmunine3936]

Then why post it in social media when you dont want people to have opinions of you

[@cjsteg3623]

@@santilmunine3936 the issue is because these are such minimal things and their content is not tailored toward a 30 year old. There are much worse content creators out there then them.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

its not about what people do its that theyre influencing younger ppl

[@user-sj4ou6jc9u]

That thing the two said about not taking relationship advice from random people was completely reasonable tho?? Like, ur not required to take relationship criticism from people who don't know you at all and that's completely normal??

[@aadvani22]

Being in the public eye by default invites all types of criticism. To dismiss it as “creepy” just because it comes from someone older (and has actually seen more of life than these two) is honestly pretty immature

[@applesas942]

@@aadvani22 They called it creepy for other reasons (the guy having created weird images of them to get their attention for years, trying to get their supporters to stop supporting them). Not to mention age doesn't mean you have to listen to them when they don't know your full situation. It isn't immature to focus on opinions of adults in their lives over a stranger.

[@thecatface8255]

@@aadvani22 so a random stranger making a 2 hour video criticizing your entire young adult life and relationship while not even knowing all the details isn't creepy? Sure totally not creepy

[@TheEmmaHouli]

@@aadvani22 yes it does invite it, but that doesn't mean they have to listen to it or take it seriously. Like they are not just public figures they are people first. And for a person's mental health they should only be listening to the advice of the people who know them

[@aadvani22]

@@thecatface8255 the difference here is that they’re profiting off portraying the perfect image of love and maturity to a super young audience. If they were just random teens of course this would be creepy

[@jennih9250]

The one about a homeless man approaching her car is a valid fear. Now before you get angry let me explain. I don't know about her but I was ones approach by a guy asking for money but here's why it freaked me out I was in an empty gas station with my younger sister and was stuck between him in his bike and the gas pump; plus the area we live in has a strong presence with gangs plus he kept knocking on my window i would like to add that im female. All I could do was drive away cause that situation was freaking out me and my sister. This does not mean we have anything against homeless people its just that the way we were raised makes us worried of strangers. Also just to add recently were we live two young girls were murdered a few days before that event so we were a bit on edge at that point it time.

[@jewelnavarrette6041]

I completely agree

[@beachesincali7606]

It's not the fact that he's homeless I feel like it's the fact that it was strange man approaching her. Idc what a dude looks like don't talk to me when I'm alone and vulnerable

[@NyxMareux]

Ive had this before. It's totally valid. I've been approached by people on the street who have asked for money and have become verbally abusive when I wasn't able to help them. Idk why it was interpreted in a weird way.

[@KuninKat]

Anybody approaching your car who you do not know or looks sketchy can strike a humans flight or fight response it's a simple human instinct used for us to survive situations

[@LeannahW]

Exactly. I've been homeless and have known many homeless people that are genuinely good people with good intentions. But I'm also a woman on the young side and I'm wary of other people, particularly anyone bigger than me approaching me. It's a survival instinct and it shouldn't be shamed.

[@wannabethiccbihhh1607]

okay the whole situation is weird but the whole "its not financially a good idea to buy a house" why is that ur business, its not your money, or ur bills. thats just not a valid example

[@avalonfey]

It also hasn't aged well - speaking for now with the housing crisis, inflation and everything spiraling out of control. Buying a house 4 years ago was a smart move

[@NaturallyDOPE0990]

SPV gave a full on breakdown and went out his way to research the cost of their house and just assumed they couldn’t afford it and made a poor financial decision. That’s where he stepped out of line. Ain’t nothing more personal to me then my bank account.

[@jorrdan.]

I think SVP had lots of valid criticism but at the same time I can’t pretend that I don’t think a 27 year old being this invested in the lives of a 21 and 19 year old is not weird. Plus the tweets... like I understand it can be random humor but coupled with what I said previously, it doesn’t sit right with me lol.

[@Glazertv]

Yeah, I think it's pretty strange..

[@saadlawl5082]

and like if anything don’t make those weird jokes about other ppl... like they didn’t find it funny nor were they in on it

[@Glazertv]

@KELECHUKWU IWUNZE yes but he gathered way too much personal information about them which was morally wrong and an invasion of privacy

[@KreAtorGames]

why is everyone weird about age difference? they’re all legal adults and it’s not weird to watch someone younger than you.

[@MaliciousMazikeen]

@KELECHUKWU IWUNZE I think the point is, there was no reason for him to make a 2 hour video on them. Why these two? Why not some actual seriously controversial KZbinrs? Why does he care about these two young adults and their personal options they've made in their education and relationship. It's weird don't act like it's not.

[@alexiswilliams8831]

why is he going after them when there’s people like tana 💀

[@addisonpettyjohn]

BYE- FR

[@commentorbot3979]

And trisha paytas 💀💀

[@zaeyact]

@@commentorbot3979 ikr-💀

[@reretherock5532]

Facts

[@reretherock5532]

@@commentorbot3979 Ikr💀💀

[@BV-us9fw]

As much as I think some of spv's points were valid I can't ignore the fact that 30 year old dude is stalking and obsessing over teens. It's really weird.

[@kennedylareign]

a lot of SPV’s criticisms were completely blown out of proportion, and it’s very weird of a 27 year old to be this invested in young adults lives like this. he seems to be projecting a lot of his personal experiences and beliefs onto ryan and hailey

[@nissakamara461]

I don't even know these people until today's.

[@botecia2647]

SUGA 💕💗💓💖💞💘

[@nissakamara461]

@@botecia2647 SUGA: Hi☺️😊

[@user-cc7vz8bm2g]

deadchi 😔💔

[@pleaseleave1462]

Never thought I'd see suga here. 😏

[@JamesLawner]

I remember them from the Greece controversey.

[@malaya7099]

I personally think that Haley and Ryan haven’t made the best decisions in the past but they don’t deserve to be torn apart like that

[@cheerfulsatanist]

I think it's far worse than that, it's like no one is focusing on his freaking weird that dude is this trained on them....I've seen docs on the jfk assassination that are less intense.

[@alexlux8337]

They're public figures it's fair game

[@hillarybanks92]

They publicized their lives, this was constructive criticism.

[@ghostdagreat]

As public figured it's to be expected :/ like, I'm not saying all public figured should and can be harassed but come on, this video really was more just critical than straight up hateful. Honestly he sounds like every other reviewer and this situation was just blown out of proportion.

[@cheerfulsatanist]

@@ghostdagreat most reviewers dont turn their subject into a freaking dissertation yes theyre public figures but the favt that he's actually been trying to involve himself with them....and effect their lives, fa!ilies, friends, futures...THe facf that he used multiple accts to bely how long he's been focused on them now...disturbing

[@londonlinton7541]

I don't care what side you feel more inclined to, those edited pictures SPV made of Ryans (underaged at the time) friend shows more red flags than any of the "criticism" he made on the young couple.

[@3llevate]

He's very eloquent, both of them but his response in the second half of the video was so concise and calm and addressed EVERYTHING. This is what you get for underestimating someone.

[@applesas942]

This situation is just weird. A guy who's been making weird tweets based on Ryan and his friends for years is strange. He then makes a documentary on someone's life... Commentating on their personal choices and relationship. That's weird. That's creepy and scary. And the way this SPV guy acted was borderline obsessive and I do hope he realizes this and learns that this is not acceptable behavior and doesn't ever do something like this again.

[@sarah6941]

Thank u so much thats exactly what i was thinking... srsly they're not affecting anyone why bother to make a 2h long video and talk about their life in details?? That's just creepy and messed up

[@ssine_]

god, THANK YOU. i'm tired of seeing ppl defending this guy bc they don't like haley and ryan, he seems creepy asf??

[@pep_z780]

its CREEPY

[@hrmfll]

Yeah, this is stalker behaviour and it's scary to me that Ryan talked to this stranger who has been trying to insert himself into their lives.

[@pep_z780]

@ YUP! it has to be jealousy or a weird obsession because I can name 20 other worst influences then them, like he chose the time to make videos on two people settling down and committing to each other and buying a home but not the people from the hype house who are way worst influences on kids? that’s suspicious

[@Sam-tk6dq]

I think Ryan Yerrow has the right to be creeped out, those photos are weird and there's history of this guy trying to get their attention. Yerrow's Instagram story may have seemed a bit harsh, but it's completely valid. Ryan Trahan's response was very mature and he addressed everything. Haley's reaction is what you'd expect, she was upset because it's an upsetting video, but she was still mature about it. SPV's responses, twitter and videos are just weird and seem obsessive.

[@kate-zh4ny]

yes totally agree

[@haoasakura6885]

Fr

[@kennedy78]

Yes absolutely

[@maiaa.3552]

Ngl Ryan and Hailey are dealing really well with the criticism, I mean you know when compared to other youtubers.

[@work4bread818]

Ye but some part a bit wrong but this is very welled handled by Ryan and Haley

[@treeapocalypse8421]

@@work4bread818 which part?

[@hubabaloop]

Dropping out of high school versus dropping out of college is so vastly different it’s alarming. If any highschoolers are reading this do not drop out your life will be immensely more difficult if you do so.

[@funmitalabi9607]

I don't doubt that Ryan was valedictorian in high school. He is very mature (and smart), and if buying a house takes the maturity and mentality level of a 30 year old, then he's got it. Haley didn't impress me, she was immature at the beginning but I see her improving and as she said maturing. I dont see how anyone could wish for this marriage to fail when I see these two growing and maturing together making each other better people. He is a great influence on her.

[@TheEmmaHouli]

Buying a house does not require any level of maturity or brain power. It requires money.

[@khoiphan2990]

@@TheEmmaHouli Sir I’m pretty sure buying houses is much more complex than buying milk at the grocery store.

[@nick_434]

@@khoiphan2990 if you got money, you are good. Pay people to tell you what to do, pay them to make sure you are doing it the right way and pay the mortgage.... it's pretty easy if you got money, if you were around people with big amounts ofmoney you would know.

[@bums009]

@@TheEmmaHouli buying a house with someone else, is a whole different thing.

[@pocketlinttreasures33]

@@khoiphan2990 ya but it's ur real estate agent who deals with all the complicated paper work.... and the agent and the bank do basically all the hard lifting..... the person buying the house gets the simplified version (how much are mortgage payments, yearly property tax, etc)... you don't need to be smart or mature to buy a house.... you need money and the right real estate agent/banker/home inspector.

[@cornbutts]

Not me watching an almost hour video about people I don’t know

[@allison.jissel]

felt.

[@SoMooLand1nine7]

Deeply felt

[@jenniferms3605]

Facts

[@gracecaroline9138]

Yup totally! 😌

[@inluvwjacky]

It’s tea don’t matter who they are we just *need* *TEA* (don’t take this offensive it is just a joke)

[@kkurajam]

SPV is creepy, why are you all so focused on the couple

[@TiffanyMaryJean]

Because they are in the public eye.

[@Simplyjasmaine]

@@TiffanyMaryJean That doesn’t mean anything theirs so many couples in the public eye they aren’t the only one

[@WillianyAmill]

@@Simplyjasmaine wouldn't that mean they would have thier own themed videos outside of this one......maybe? MAYBE.

[@lilwilly5265]

How is making a video on FAMOUS PEOPLE creepy?

[@MCRTS]

@@lilwilly5265 it's always creepy when it's TOO involved, like why would you be SO invested in a life that's not yours? That it's not at all connected to yours? If some rando person started to follow you around and take pictures of you, recording you, digging into your privacy, it would be creppy af, no matter if you're famous or just popular between your circle.

[@sarahbyfernandez4584]

Can someone tell me why SPV even bothered to make these chritisisms in the first place? Like it's not his job or anything...

[@krose420]

Criticisms

[@froggers8945]

"You're too young to be married! You should put more time into your relationships!" "No, buying a house is a poor decision!" who tf asked

[@jayconvo]

I have no idea about what’s going on but the fact that a married 27 year old with a PHD is invested so much in the lives of young youtubers is weird... tbh. (In my own personal opinion, I am not saying it's not possible but the whole situation seems odd to me.)

[@Sophie_Pea]

dude it’s so weird. especially knowing that he has his own family and things like that to take care of, why is he spending all that time picking apart the lives of someone he doesn’t know in the first place, let alone people THAT much younger than him. i thought he made a lot of valid points in the video when i watched it, but now knowing all of this, it just kind of creeps me out honestly

[@calyp9]

Agreed. I have no clue who any of these people are, but that seemed super odd to me too.

[@Juicycouturebubblegumwhore]

hes just calling out the truths

[@iz6028]

@@Juicycouturebubblegumwhore he’s putting too much time into these random people tho it’s creepy

[@Faeriiexx]

@@iz6028 But arent people like spill, the right opinion and many others doing the same?

[@theconfusedlesbian26]

When you used to watch them but stopped as soon as they started posting engagement videos-

[@abbi7025]

SAME

[@CanteLizzie]

Dude yes I was the exact same XD

[@jas3399]

omg plssss

[@WOW-gi9ww]

Yesss

[@thaliaayangla7492]

EXACTLY Idk what's happening 😭😭

[@raechelgrantham8134]

Ryan seems like a very intelligent and well put together young man. It's obvious that not only does he have goals but the ambition to succeed. He's responsible with money, speaks well and was the valedictorian of his senior class. He knows he's made mistakes. He accepts them and shows that he's applied what he's learned from those mistakes to grow. I think this is an everyone sucks here sort of situation. Honestly, it sounds like they are smart and open minded and are figuring out life. Nobody is perfect. I hope these two continue growing as they find their paths.

[@tjm8128]

Why is this 19 year old girl financially responsible for her fully grown mother? I don’t care how much money she has. That is not fair to put that burden on her. Her mother needs to get a job and stop sponging off her daughter.

[@whatismylifeanymore]

You don't know what the mother is going through. My mother cca't work due to a disability.

[@justjulia8007]

And there are cultures where children are expected to work and help out the elders in the family.. maybe strange for some, but I admire the commitment she showed to help out. My best friend as a teen, was working and contributing money to her struggling parents at a time her mom couldn’t work due to cancer.

[@imrianenichelle]

I don't even like Haley (or know this Ryan guy) but she had a point when it comes to not listening to advice from the internet. Like she said, these people don't know them and their relationship the way their actual friends and family do. They don't have a real, in-depth look into their lives and only see what the two choose to let them see. So yes, the internet shouldn't have to control their relationship. If people think that they're too young or they're making horrible choices, then that's their opinion. It doesn't mean the two have to change their lives because of it. If it's a huge mistake, then let them figure that out for themselves. Jeez.

[@casualviewer9792]

Completely agree! People most of the time value opinions more from others close to them

[@tima3905]

I agree

[@loen2629]

So true. The guy who made the video is so entitled for thinking it's his place to give unsolicited advice about their personal decisions. It's their life and they need to figure things out on their own. Who knows, maybe they will get divorced. Maybe they stay happy together. Anyways, it's not the place of a stranger to give them advice on what they should do with their relationship. That's just ridiculous.

[@auxi1211]

@@loen2629 as much as that is true they share their lives on the internet, that leaves them free to criticism.

[@user-ss6wm9qv1k]

@@auxi1211 but they don't have to listen to it.

[@milyviewing5986]

I think Haley needs a therapist. This is not to be mean towards her, I just think it would help her in the long run.

[@pissonmytoast]

Definitely

[@taylor5495]

diddo

[@leilanivlogs]

yea as a haley fan she was really really struggling for awhile there, and she tried to get a therapist, but i think the experience was too much for her (she has pretty bad anxiety) so i'm not sure if she has gone back really.

[@anaalina5964]

"help her in the long run" With... what?

[@leilanivlogs]

@@anaalina5964 therapy would help anyone in the "long run" by better equipping them with healthy coping mechanisms and problem solving skills that best work for that specific patient/person.

[@___u7888]

ryan seems like a very mature person its very impressive actually

[@Savannah-]

I feel like a lot of these criticisms are weird and invasive. Like going into how he feels they're not financially ready to buy a house or mentally ready to get married isn't really any of this rando guys business. And to say that if they do something they feel is right for them and they show them doing it it's terrible because it's going to convince a bunch of 14 year olds to...what? Get a mortgage they can't afford? Lol. Also criticizing someone for dropping out of school is gross. That is their lives and their personal choice. They're obviously doing OK. It's not right for everybody, but did either of them say it was?

[@toshimctoodle7232]

Haha yeah like a bank will give a mortgage to a regular 14 year old :/ the difference between them and normal teens and young adults is that these kids have some finances :/

[@froggers8945]

He acting like buying a house is a poor financial decision LIKE MATE IS BEING HOMELESS THE BEST DECISION? Also Ryan and the girl DIDN'T ASK FOR THE MAN'S CRITICISM

[@AsmaHt]

I find it weird and a bit creepy that a stranger is making a video dissecting a couple's relationship and telling them to take a break. How's that any of his business?

[@kreepietoast]

Absolutely not!

[@kikikiller1153]

Because it's public information and if you market that, you can expect critisism? Also he only told them to reflect on their actions

[@megane.9874]

@@kikikiller1153 their info being public doesn’t make it any less creepy... spending hours researching someone and making a video ab them is super weird and obsessive

[@Faeriiexx]

@ Wait so why is it not creepy if other creators do videos like that? The right opinion, kappa kaiju and even spill all have very long videos aber certain people and no one cares

[@mmhnma]

@@Faeriiexx I was thinking the same thing. I think people only get in an uproar when the video is about their fav.

[@Lulu-qp6oh]

Early marriage 90% of the time fails, from what I've seen. Usually it winds up in divorce because they aren't as ready to settle down as they think they are, but that's just what I think. If you love someone a lot I think it shouldn't be too hard to wait for marriage, also my own opinion. However it isn't our place to bother anyone about it. Let people live. My beliefs are for ME to live by and not other people. Some people sound so rude when they bash people for their choices on personal topics like marriage and kids. I feel like it's not ur place unless you're personally close to that person, feel you know them well, and genuinely think a decision they're making is poor. Even then you only ask them to consider- not tell them what to do.

[@mirela1894]

My parents went through an early marriage but they fixed what they were doing amd got married at 41 and 47. They met at 26-28 years.

[@Raven-lu5ee]

Eh to each their own. I got married at 19 and 7 years later we're still together ❤

[@cloudiii9543]

@@Raven-lu5ee My parents got married at 20, were happy for a good 18 years and now they are going through a divorce so to each their own yeah

[@leledeed90]

Totally agree with u

[@Lulu-qp6oh]

@@Raven-lu5ee I'm glad you're doing well! I grew up with parents in a much different situation and a grandmother who divorced after 30+ years together, so my beliefs root from that. Here's to hoping you're the small percentage that does well though! Remember to take good care of each other with times get tough ☺️

[@claudiamiller5895]

In my opinion he wasn’t wishing their marriage failed, I think it’s more that he was highlighting some major issues that could potentially hurt them if they didn’t address them. It seems like no one in their life is giving them criticism.

[@ting6226]

they project a false and disconnected reality for sure

[@EricaArcher124]

Honestly, I can see how they’re problematic but a two hour deep dive into everything you disagree with? Mind your business, dude.

[@uniqueinkinez8562]

Seriously!

[@acm0ney]

im sorry but when you put the disclaimer in front of a photo of greece i laughed out loud. her denouncing greece because it didnt look like the instagram photos is still one of the most embarrassing things ive ever seen

[@acm0ney]

@@morganmurphy8700 that's not even the worst thing she's done and she took 0 responsibility for spreading false medical information about birth control. she has offended so many different people and I find that egregious

[@acm0ney]

@@morganmurphy8700 yes i watched the entire video. believe it or not i used to be a fan of hers and i am also catholic. i have no problem with her using her platform to talk about her religion but she has made a number of uneducated statements to her audience and the birth control podcast was the last straw for me. we don't have to agree on this

[@acm0ney]

@@morganmurphy8700 i see what you're saying but i personally don't use my faith to justify people's actions and words. i don't wish her any ill will; i hope she continues to take accountability and grows as a person.

[@churblesfurbles]

@@acm0ney What's false? Future people will look upon the pill the same way we look at romans eating and drinking from lead vessels and pipes. Scrutinizing peoples decisions while promoting doping up women on pills that make them crazy is just hilarious.

[@acm0ney]

@@churblesfurbles literally what are you talking about

[@tiffanys358]

I mean it seems that all of the stuff said in the video essay is public knowledge or information that is put out into the public by them.

[@yb4702]

Right!!

[@MadisonM1]

Yes but it’s creepy to obsess about these young adults like that

[@chrisisannoying3499]

@@MadisonM1 he was never obsessing he made a fair video about how they are misinforming their audience about serious issues and it was never hateful it was just constructive Criticism

[@pep_z780]

@@MadisonM1 creepy behavior

[@zanet391]

@@chrisisannoying3499 Constructive essays on things like these are a genre on YT, for example look up The Right Opinion, j aubrey. They do on 30min+ essay video on certain creators or TV series in a format similar to a documentary. IMO, it´s a good genre for summarizing things for people who aren´t into watching five 10-minute videos on the same topic but one or two long ones.

[@paighpage]

hes so concerned about them as if he was their therapist

[@DesireeEagle]

Ryan told you. Dude is smart.

[@trofii.]

Fr dude is knee deep in another person's life 💀 that's a bit unsettling

[@bingewatchingintesifies809]

Imagine going on an 3000 year old country and feel angry that it doesnt look like Insta travel blogger A E S T H E T I C.

[@Xforeverlove21]

It's more then 3000 years old

[@flixs1353]

How does it being old bring this topic relevancy it needs to keep up with the times nevertheless

[@colleenhenneberry849]

how about we give this same energy toward some of these problematic guys on tik tok who have actual allegations made against them

[@srishtipatel561]

mf tony lopez omg. not to mention they keep letting him slide they really gotta do smth about it. but it's good that spv made the video bc even in her apology, haley didn't mention alternative birth control methods or try to educate her following by genuinely wanting to do better. she just shifted the attention to the fact that "they aren't responsible" when they are giving advice. i am all for extra s3x ed and i think it was a good topic he touched upon that ppl who what haley might have not known before.

[@colleenhenneberry849]

@@srishtipatel561 i totally agree with some of the points he made, like the birth control statements she made and other things like that. he just spent sooooo much time on it that he could’ve spent making a video about something else

[@srishtipatel561]

@@colleenhenneberry849 that's true

[@DancinFerret10]

Right

[@athinacrilley]

I don't get why people are so bothered by them making whatever choices they have made. They're adults, and although I personally wouldn't make some of the same decisions, it's up to them what they with their lives

[@CybrV-1]

but they are not adults... they’re barely legal

[@sarshanewton2647]

@@CybrV-1 Which makes them adults in the eyes of the law.

[@sombra298]

@@CybrV-1 if they are over 18 then they are adults.

[@CybrV-1]

@@sombra298 yes but mentally??? idk man

[@urmom.69420]

@@CybrV-1 the brain doesn’t stop developing until the age of 25, which might be what you’re referring to, but it isn’t that much of a good argument. My parents only were dating for a year and a half before getting married, and this was all before the age of 25. (The were 24 when they got married). They are still happily married today. Just because your brain isn’t fully developed doesn’t mean that they can’t make their own choices without being criticized by random people in the internet with nothing better to do with their lives.

[@jazmintirado2900]

I'm 28 and I wouldn't be obsessed or documentating in a 19 and 21-year-old couple that guy has a wife, kid and yet he cares more about some teenager's life? That is creepy even for me. Theirs more important issues going on to get invested in teenagers' lives.

[@blueberryara28]

sorry but it will never feel not weird a 27 y/o obsessing about a young couple’s relationship/life and how he posted weird thing abt the other guy… and he gets offended by his name being “leaked”? HUH?

[@AltClev37]

Yeah I’m not gonna take travel advice from a teenager who knows nothing about a country other than it didn’t line up with what she saw on Instagram. I would love to go to Greece and will go if I ever get the chance to.

[@morganmurphy8700]

She apologized multiple times admitted she was so wrong people make mistakes let’s not hold that against her.

[@107frenchy]

"It didn't look like the instagram pics!" Bruh, you don't look like your instagram pics.

[@sakuraogami6885]

@@morganmurphy8700 it wasn’t real. Get over it, your fave influencers don’t make real apologies, they don’t care about you, or growth, they literally just want your money.

[@_Https.maddie]

@@sakuraogami6885 I mean it’s kinda true

[@kageyamaswaifu3196]

@@morganmurphy8700 Delusional

[@SeanShimamoto]

Maybe it’s just me, but I think it’s weird that on one hand Ryan and Haley want to be viewed as mature, grown adults...but when it suits their narrative, they refer to themselves a just kids or just a 19 and 21 year old. You can’t have it both ways.

[@DesireeEagle]

This.

[@juliannalydia6868]

Yup! Very aggravating.

[@SeanShimamoto]

@@juliannalydia6868 Ooh, I love your name! Sorry, I just had to tell you that ‘cause I’ve always thought, and still think, that Luna is a pretty and enchanting name...just like its namesake, the moon. Anyway, love and aloha from Honolulu! 😁🤙🏽❤️🌈☀️ (just symbols of Hawai’i)

[@aless8048]

I think u can, emotional maturity and I guess physical maturity are v diff

[@Sunny-is4sn]

I think what they're trying to say is that they haven't lived through enough of their life yet to know everything that's right and what's wrong, and that they're bound to make mistakes so people shouldn't hold them accountable as if they were being ignorant. but at the same time they want to let people to know that they aren't immature 13-year-olds who need people yelling at them, telling them what to do, because this is their life, and they know enough to the point where they would rather learn from themselves than some random 15 year old on the internet. Yk?

[@KaitlinJL]

A lot of the “slander” against them is claiming that they need to grow and realize their actions and things like that, and while yes they do have a certain responsibility online to be decent humans, the growing they are doing, an do, and will do in the future is between them. In their relationships, between them. In their careers, between them. They are not required to grow for anyone and not every KZbinr needs to keep gaining followers and money consistently to be “successful” and “respectable”. They simply have a responsibility to each other, not to anyone else, not their audience and especially not people who watch a few videos and then make judgement. Yes it is their job so they most likely will continue making content for a while to come, but it is just wrong to ever assume a youtuber owes you anything, especially emotionally, that’s just not ok.

[@trala8911]

No idea who any of these people are, that said, it seems like SVP massively underestimated these kids. Having watched this video, it seems like they’re considerably more emotionally mature that a large majority of people in their 30s or 40s. I wish them well.

[@kalex791]

Seems like the SPV person is just trying to point out that it’s unrealistic for their young viewers to expect that they can drop out of high school or college, marry their first loves, buy a home, etc etc. and expect there not to be struggles just bc they don’t portray those parts of their lives in the videos

[@IDWTAI00]

Agreed. Rather have someone who is putting out the truth than the younger generations growing up and thinking this is a normal lifestyle for people.

[@notky848]

I feel like a lot of what Spv was true. And it’s okay to criticize-to a point. In the end, it’s not his boyfriend or girlfriend, it’s not his relationship. Over analyzing someone else’s relationship is what’s REALLY unhealthy here.

[@CybrV-1]

i partially agree, the analyzing and almost praying on their downfall is a lil out of line however i have to side with spv cause he made the most points and his crit was very valid. they're insanely privileged and need to humbled.

[@sofia-yk1gr]

Bmgyu. I can agree with both statements because they are giving an unrealistic way to live life to most people who are just middle class and stuff but he was also out of line with things said but I also appreciate the couple apologized for the ignorant things they said especially the girlfriend

[@brookelynn3627]

Right and its just over line weird but I do agree with his points

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

I feel like the finance part shouldn't be blamed on them, because it is the fault on our education system that doesn't teach us about this stuff.

[@loneywood3883]

@@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult finally someone talking some sense.

[@Monkey1640.]

Haley and Ryhan eat food. The SVP, “The economic state they are in is not suited for them to consume food.”

[@KoDeezylove]

SPV talking about Hayleys birth control is the one thing i really dont get. It's literally HER business, she was sharing her experience with birth control why are you criticizing a girl over her preferred birth control methods? I bet SPV has never taken birth control even once in his life who is he to talk about what she should and shouldn't do for her own body? Hes 27 he needs better things to do.

[@iamnotauser93ify]

Idk Hayley is definitely entitled and kinda annoying but it’s their life choices. If they wanna get married young... who cares?? People don’t get married a d have kids till their 30’s now and that’s so praised. They wanna be different and maybe they have a different bond and that’s okay. Don’t agree on them buying a house before marriage doe... that was kinda weird lol

[@chxco676]

It's not weird to buy a house before marriage... actually it's kinda smart bcuz usually weddings (depending on if u do a big or small one) can cost a lot of money. There are many people and youtubers who had small weddings and the money they saved they ended up spending on a house. There have also been many people who have come out and talked about how they regretted spending so much money on their wedding because they could have saved it and spent it on other things. If you do it the other way around (buying a house then getting married), you get the best of both worlds (a house and a big wedding) --> if you're rich then you'll get that regardless. Also, some people build or buy houses for their kids so that when they get married; they don't have to be worried about a house. Therefore, it's okay if they want to feel secure about their finances before getting married (and if they have the money and can afford it, why can't they?).

[@alinaisdumb1684]

exactly. like they are young adults and they 100% chose to get married so why are people mad lol.

[@maraimaski4762]

@@alinaisdumb1684 because the chances of it ending in a divorce is very high. But they are allowed to do as they please

[@emilymoyer100]

I know so many people who have gotten married young and their lives have turned out fine. Just because they aren’t doing what people think they should doesn’t make it wrong... my two bets friends are 22 and getting married in the summer I don’t think they’re making a mistake. It’s such an obnoxious opinion to believe everyone has to take the same path and their is a “right” way to do things. They’re both of consenting age so anyone’s opinion on what they should do doesn’t matter.

[@justatadofinsanity4762]

SPV did bring up valid criticisms but it also seemed nitpicking to these kids lives. Haley has been called out for the things she’s done wrong, and it’s fine to bring them up again if you don’t feel like they’ve been adequately addressed. But putting things like Haley’s Greece trip controversy and Misinformation of Birth Control on the same pedestal of them getting married young and buying a house really makes his arguments seem childish. It’s fine if you don’t agree with somebody’s life choices but if it’s not hurting anybody then what does it matter?

[@ashleymary8082]

amen 👏🏼

[@missyureiii]

It matters because their audience see their life choices and might copy them or use their actions to justify their own reckless decisions. I think it's great that they did address and apologize for their decisions, and did clarify later that their decisions were not as reckless as they seemed. But their actions should not be dismissed as having no consequences at all.

[@justatadofinsanity4762]

@@missyureiii I totally agree. Actions have consequences. I just think that the certain actions that only have consequences to them (ie getting married, buying a house, etc) shouldn’t really be a problem to us. We can disagree with it sure, but to rain on these kids parade while they are just trying to live their life. Seems unnecessary especially for a two hour documentary.

[@sofia-yk1gr]

Totally agreed I think criticism is great for everyone I just think he’s getting a little obsessive which makes a lot of agreements seem childish

[@amora8152]

I can't help but laugh when he mentions the house buying thing. Like... no one in their "young and impressionable audience" is gonna be buying a house

[@TheRosyrosita]

SPV is weird af....absolutely weird...the fact that he’s so obsessed with Ryan and Haley. Absolutely creepy...the fact that people don’t see that is beyond me...

[@marcodvbr8641]

And he just says it's an ARG...like nothing about your obsession with an underagged guy wayyy beyond your life says ARG there is no game??? In you posting a topless underagged teen...and people don't see that

[@Didi-qc3vc]

Kinda feel like people should be less focused on other peoples personal lives and decisions

[@CybrV-1]

true but its the internet and if you cant take/handle others opinions on you and your life then you should get off and pursue a irl life.

[@jenniferh9612]

then why are you watching this video? these channels exist bc people watch other people’s personal lives that they choose to put out. if they don’t like how they’re being perceived, then maybe they should take a second look at the substance of their content.

[@Didi-qc3vc]

@@jenniferh9612 but this isn't someone putting their own life to the world someone else gave out parts of their life to be talked about it was not something that the couple made a whole video on

[@angelwells92]

I didn’t expect them to handle this so maturely. They had reasonable defenses for the things they disagreed with while taking full responsibility for the more valid criticisms. They didn’t appear to deflect blame or downplay their mistakes. I’m kind of impressed that 19-21 year olds can accept criticism so well.

[@chintadw]

i agree

[@catbeehendricks]

Completely agree(a year later 😂) but I have a feeling that Ryan wrote Haley's speech... She was reading a script that sounded like the way he talks without reading... I don't know if that makes sense but it sounded like his words coming out of her mouth...

[@kriskeleigh6956]

i agree. it seemed mature and they didnt get overly emotional or irritated. and then we have grown adults and mid to late 20's or older with laughable apologies!! oh lord

[@KevinRAAMAAAGE]

At first I was like "ugh teenagers" now i kinda feel for them, don't k ow who they are, but I'm sorry they were put in this position. The thing about birth control and Greece made me cringe. Greece is an important piece of human history

[@Diet_Martini]

“She didn’t try and build a relationship” it’s an URGENT CARE!!!! Sure you should feel comfortable but the nurse has other patients, you aren’t the only issue there! If it’s so important go to the ER first!!!

[@dylanclayton7606]

As an advocate for patients getting proper care from a medical professional I'ma have to stop you right there. Yes a nurse has multiple patients but a nurse/doctor should give full and undivided attention while talking to a patient and listen to what they are saying is wrong with their body. Maybe you should look up about people who doctors and nurses brush off or the fact that women and minorities face issues feeling heard by medical professionals.

[@Diet_Martini]

@@dylanclayton7606 I completely agree with you there but with how entitled this girl sounds I have a feeling there’s something being left out. I have witnessed people getting brushed aside for their medical issues but complaining about one urgent care nurse and saying she doesn’t even count as a medical professional is just as demoralizing for the nurse. And so if this girl had no issue saying that in a video, I can only assume her actions are just as immature. Not only that but urgent cares don’t have the proper set up to take certain cases on, such as a rare infection that you should see the emergency room or the gynecologist for. So while yes the nurses and doctors you have should take the time and effort to hear what you have to say and they should treat you as an equal and give you respect, you also have to show them the same respect and realize some levels of health care are not properly situated for your case, that does not mean you can say “they aren’t a real ____”

[@Sunny-is4sn]

@@Diet_Martini when she said the nurse 'wasn't a real doctor', I don't think she meant it in a way to disrespect her, but rather in a way to show that she understood why the nurse may have not taken time to get to 'know' her because it wouldn't have benefited the nurse since the nurse probably wasn't specifically trained in this area of health. I'm sure Haley was just in heat of the moment and worded everything incorrectly because she had a lot on her mind causing her to be stressed out. I've been in a similar situation SO many times and I know how it feels.

[@Izak213]

Actually all medical providers should do a through assessment and builds a rapport. I’m a Paramedic and a lot of nurses have that problem.

[@marleybebe6352]

Just gonna say, when Yarrow claimed SPV dozxed himself, there's a difference between WILLINGLY releasing information about yourself and someone else revealing information without your consent.

[@elbowsbuns1896]

Fr. Ryan, a person with a huge influence, by revealing that kind of info is dangerous, and completely unnecessary.

[@marleybebe6352]

@Stanman121 I'm not really sure what you're meaning to say but Ryan released SPV's name, age, relationship status etc after they both agreed to keep the conversation private. SPV didn't consent to that information being released, but when he released his own living area, he was doing it willingly. People need to understand that consent is a major factor in these things.

[@marleybebe6352]

@Chloe Taterka I was just trying to point out the difference between what Ryan said and what SPV said about where he lived. He didn't consent to what Ryan said being let out but he willingly said the other stuff.

[@ellerose9308]

me, watching this entire 50 minute video, having never heard of any of these people before in my life : 👁👄👁

[@soapychikin]

Same.

[@germantennesseean8438]

Same I can not keep up with all these tiktokers and content creators . Millennials seem to be the new boomers lol. It just popped up on my recommended .

[@fanboy_artist3645]

same lol

[@velvetblood_231]

Same af

[@jameslau5497]

Same. I live in a World with a pandemic and global economic collapse. Anyone else?

[@malvine5412]

The birth control question is the literal definition of mensplaining. A man explaining how a contraceptive that has been shown to be effective when used right doesn't work. That doesn't sit right with me

[@LittleBabywriter]

Those guys are actually very resonable. The commentor is just controlling freak who wants to be a parent to a young adults he doesn't even know. Creepy. The guy isn't even in the age to be their father. If we are talking about people acting their age.

[@akika3822]

I never thought Haley and Ryan would be on spill Edit: Thank you SO much for the likes, I really appreciate it ❤

[@valeriefirth2444]

Ikr

[@zee-xh7tq]

SAME IM SHOCK

[@iminlovewithaleaf194]

Yeahhh

[@donut_hugger2347]

I kind of saw it coming 😂

[@o0048]

True and also i am shook half the ppl don't even know who they are 😔

[@nuve9190]

They aren't perfect, no one is but the fan is wack. It's not that deep

[@whitykitty2651]

i agree, but I also can see why someone might feel entitled to an extent about people they watch. It's how parasocial relationships work.

[@peachimeachi8170]

The fan needs to learn some boundaries 😳

[@osheridan]

SPV did have some valid points, but I find it weird that he's so... Kinda obsessed?? With other, younger peoples' lives and decisions. Let them make their own choices, long as they're happy, healthy and non-harmful? They should maybe be better to their younger audience, but WHY??

[@beultra3083]

Please do not take birth control advice from a high school dropout OR an older man who makes videos about a teenager's birth control choices.