The YouTuber Who Brought 4chan into Politics

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[@ThinkBeforeYouSleepYT]

Bro. Stop showing the dates on these videos. You are making some people feel old.

[@MerVolteR]

I feel like this magical era is so far in the past its depressing

[@DjDeadpig]

Congratulations on beating Noah again I guess.

[@halfadecade4770]

Ew look it's a retard

[@AnomalySource]

Hey your the douche who caused illymations to get doxxed. Asshole

[@1053Master]

Ultimately, quit watching documentaries on living people

[@Onestroke]

Tom the type of guy to say "Back in the day" and mean a few months prior.

[@pate7179]

isnt that the meta among 20yr olds

[@arteckjay6537]

Tom the type of guy Tom the type of guy Tom the type of guy Tom the type of guy Tom the type of guy I said the line over and over, why is nobody laughing?

[@goosefootjones7196]

I did ur mom "back in the day".

[@biffjfk18]

​@arteckjay6537 Jay the type of guy to be upset over type of guy comments

[@Spookykidshow]

10 years ago is back in the day

[@SargonofAkkad]

Thanks for making me feel old, bro.

[@PLpatriot999]

You're putin's shill. Jim was right in mocking you

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Hey Smuckles, where’s my appetizer?

[@Duo_Fish]

As someone else who had life before the internet was ubiquitous, it's odd that half a decade on the internet feels like so much more time than a half-decade of real life events. In any case, thanks for the entertainment in the 2016-2018 era.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

May you find Christ and lead the reconquest of the Church of England. Preferably also reintroducing Sarum rite because the medieval English liturgy was cool.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

Please, I need the Gender Wars video back, and a part 2 & 3 of the other two Rey Star Wars films.

[@flomoyo]

Boogie being seen as the “Mr. Rogers of KZbin” back then is crazy in contrast to current Boogie we all know today

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

I think people owe Anita an apology. You did the Lord's work in calling out Boogie back then.

[@riptors9777]

@@MrBell-iq3sm No one owes Anita an apology. Just because Boogie became Depression incarnate doesnt meant that Anita isnt A PoS

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

@@riptors9777 She is a POS in your book, because she called out Boggies pathologic, manipulative ence sitting which ruined the entire point of the panel she attended? Riiiight. And GG wasn't sexist at all. It was all about ethics and arguments. Sure.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

@@riptors9777 If you have any kind of decency or at least politeness in you, you apologize for mistreating some one else. People unjustly attacked her for the Boogie incident and therefore owe her an apology for it. Simple social human behaviour that shouldn't even have to be mentioned in a civilised society.

[@riptors9777]

@@MrBell-iq3sm So you just assume that what boogie said about her is untrue because... boogie is a lolcow... i guess? You are aware that both can be true right? That both of them are bad people? You also are aware that there is no evidence refuting boogies claim? And that his statement fits with Anitas personality? Speaking of: you really want to come from a moralist angle? How about the stolen footage/artwork she used without consent (from a female artist no less, go feminism!) and the fact that Anita defacto scammed people out of Kickstarter money for a series she never completed? And the lies.. oh god the lies! From anita not playing the games she talks about (wich was her reason for starting a kickstarter, so she would have money to buy and play all those games she was suposed to talk about) to the whole kickstarter itselfe being highly sus considering that in no way shape or form the videos where any different from her non-kickstarter videos? Begging the question what the money was actually spent on? Or how about claiming she was a gamer since she was a child yet videos of her exist where she tells people she never played games or got into gaming because its icky to her? Anita is neither innocent nor a saint nor a good person. Shes a grifter, a scammer, a charlatan and a liar who has done alot of damage to gaming in her quest for money and prestige. She deserves no apology because no wrong was done to her. Infact she is the one that should apologize for the things i just listed. Fat chance of that ever happen though.

[@doomdtn]

I'm 31 and was around for all of this... I have never felt older in my entire life.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I just turned 33 myself. Honestly glad I grew out of that. 😅

[@doomdtn]

​@@SleepyMatt-zzzoh dude I feel you... I was a big time TWIS skeptic. Some good times but I became the cringe I sought to escape haha.

[@AgentFulgoreBasedDepartment]

i'm 36, same lol. i feel old.

[@unkoolaid961]

I’m 24 and knew about it, young people knew about it too

[@doomdtn]

@@unkoolaid961 the kekistani wars scarred us all then it would seem...

[@PootisPenserPow]

Sargon won in the end, he's got a company, and Anita had a wedding-themed birthday party

[@SerfinBird]

Did he win though? Companies like SBI still exist and make large sums to do what Anita did.

[@anaturn12]

Seen Sargon photoshoped into her birthday party? They really look happy together :-D

[@KnightOfTheWired]

​@@SerfinBirdyeah but companies like these aren't hitting it big as often or long or even easy. The ghost of GG forever hang over the gaming industries.

[@dextergordon7510]

@@KnightOfTheWirednah. Gamer gate never “hit”. It’s just a grift that nobody outside these bubbles cares about. These companies will continue to exist and these type will continue to farm outrage.

[@tjmartin8516]

@@SerfinBird That would’ve happened regardless of how successful the discourse was. Once BlackRock created their E.S.G. programs, it basically became an infinite money glitch if entertainment companies incorporated social justice ideology in their games. Suicide Squad, Gotham Knights, BF2042, and COD Vanguard all failed to turn a profit. Yet they still continue to make games with elements of this ideology present within them.

[@Chretze]

4chan was political long before Sargon had an impact on it.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

/pol/ came into existence as a containment board for the previous inhabitants of /new/, which had the same culture. This happened years before Sargon had a KZbin channel

[@alekslic3385]

Dude, the title clearly says "Brought 4chan into politics". Meaning that Sargon took 4chan and used it for his political career.

[@alekslic3385]

@annoyingsmuganimeavatar7229 i never said using 4chan for a career in politics would do him any good.

[@turnermd1302]

You need better reading comprehension lol

[@LarryActionGlass]

Yeah also the video barely explains anything about pol at all...misleading title

[@reklaw103]

Sargon had little to do with UKIP's decline. Brexit Party did that and it was a protest vote anyway because we were already leaving the EU. That section was poorly researched.

[@joshuadrew6246]

The NEC ousted Gerrard Batten, the democratically elected leader of UKIP and then when party membership elected Richard Braine who was the Batten 2.0 candidate in a landslide the NEC almost immediately removed him too. UKIP was completely dead after that. Carl and Mark joining accually boosted membership by quite alot.

[@richardcrook2112]

@@joshuadrew6246 How is the NEC able to do that?

[@Wykesidefruitmachine]

Gerard and Richard were amazing too. Braine debating Femi was chef's kiss, so funny. Even Bray showed his face to look a fool 😂​@@joshuadrew6246

[@charliecharliewhiskey9403]

Americans don't understand British politics. Some things never change.

[@joshuadrew6246]

@richardcrook2112 they voted to prevent him from running for another term as party leader.

[@DjDeadpig]

You gotta admit even after all these years it’s still funny Carl’s joke still pisses off Jess Pisslips to the point that she wrote a formal complaint to Rishi Sunak, our Prime Minister.

[@dadoogie]

The latest instance of Jess Phillips using her political privilege is when the Lotus Eaters (Carls podcast with other guys) interviewed Liz Truss and the political world and media had a meltdown over it. Was quite funny and cringeworthy hearing this stuff mentioned on national radio.

[@DjDeadpig]

@@dadoogieeven as someone who dislikes Liz Truss, she had the right to appear on LotusEaters, and Jess Pisslips had no right to moan about it to the public.

[@jonathancrosby1583]

She has evey right to complain about it in public she had no right to try and stop it small but very important distinction ​@DjDeadpig

[@DanielDorn-tr7tw]

She really did that? AHAHAH

[@DjDeadpig]

@@jonathancrosby1583I mean not really from a moral standpoint as she’s a complete hypocrite. What she did was worse than what Carl could’ve ever said, and the fact that she has a say in Labour says a lot about the state of the party now.

[@Cainny]

Holy shit the victim complex from Akilah is CRAZY. She wasn't expected to pay $38k because he was racist, she was expected to pay because she made a frivolous lawsuit lol.

[@ZombieSazza]

Smells like a lack of accountability to me!

[@notreallyhere67]

When your whole brand is built on being a victim, what did you expect her to do? :D

[@lightfeather9953]

It sounded like she felt she should automatically win because her opponent is Bad, as if he's a literal outlaw. It's disturbing how some people feel justice should be biased in favor of people who share their politics.

[@grantglow4206]

Exactly

[@theatagamer90]

That whole Akilah thing was hilarious the way it erupted. Also gave us excellent Fair Use case law for any other clowns.

[@hjge1012]

I'm pretty sure large parts of the old stuff are inaccurate and/or the chronology is wrong. Thunderfoot for example already fell out with Sargon and his buddies way before that, over Brexit.

[@berndbernd3464]

Thunderfoot realy lost his mind because of brexit

[@harbl99]

@@berndbernd3464 His funding came from Brussels. Whatever principles he proclaimed took a backseat to his income stream.

[@HooDooBrown]

@@berndbernd3464 His change was legendary(not in a good way), absolutely died off after that. Not even the Normies or Lefties wanted anything to do with him.

[@berndbernd3464]

@@HooDooBrown he is geting a lot of elon haters to watch his videos

[@StephenNatoli-l6j]

​@berndbernd3464 no, he has people who don't ballwash a racist south African scam artist

[@LordEsel88]

One would think that him starting The Lotus Eaters would get a bit more attention than just the last few seconds of the video.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I was around and on these communities through this entire saga and I had no idea the guy from Lotus Eaters was "Sargon of Akkhad". I went full Obi Wan when I learned that too, "That's a name I've not heard in a long time."

[@callummartin4697]

Ehhhhh TLE has dropped off a cliff as they have become the thing they set to not be.....a divisive propaganda mouthpiece dressed up as "journalism"

[@thepoliticalgunnut8018]

​@@callummartin4697 elaborate. Cause si far they seem to be one of the more objective political commentators around when compared to the H3 podcast or louder with crowder.

[@DebtSentence]

Carl was nowhere near 4chan pol lmfao

[@hugohom2280]

Even MM made fun of him back in like 2018

[@DebtSentence]

@@frankdrebinn If he had pol views he would've got 20 years in a UK prison.

[@harrietxo2310]

@@DebtSentencelol murderers still don’t get sentences like that in the uk ((rarely)

[@harrydeansatan6803]

haven't even started the video but I guess he means Carl took memes from 4chan and spread them to more mainstream places like youtube and reddit, which is true. See the whole Kekistani meme for example.

[@ayylmao4702]

​@@harrietxo2310 murderers do get 20 years,its just that 20 years is the maximum sentence and usually you sit out only 1/3rd of it before being able to get out on parole

[@Duo_Fish]

The chronology with Thunderf00t is definitely off. As an ancient being, I remember quite clearly a debate between Carl and Thunderf00t about Brexit that led to Thunderf00t getting rather upset and eventually "leaving" the skeptic community (while continuing his seemingly endless content about Anita Sarkeesian).

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

That was peak Thunderf00t. He's gone from endless Sarkeesian to endless Elon Musk. He completely missed Elizabeth Holmes getting her jail sentence reduced, and the sympathetic biopic she received.

[@Duo_Fish]

@@SaltpeterTaffy I just popped over to his channel and quickly noticed the extreme number of Elon Musk videos. I guess the man has always been rather obsessive when he actually latches on. The worst part is how Phil will be absolutely correct about something, yet uses boomer effects, an absolute eternity and multiple repetitions to do so. He reminds me of one of my family members who never wants to be seen as wrong about something. If you disagreed about something at one point in a conversation, even casually, you'll receive arguments and rebuttals months later about a subject matter you never had a real stake in to begin with as if your disagreement were a personal offense. The goes double for political disagreements, even though philosophy is a subject matter that you can't utilize empirical evidence to prove your points.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Solar Freaking Roadways. Ah, Thunderf00t. Him, Sargon, The Amazing Atheist, Shoe0nHead, Armored Skeptic, Bearing, and even Undoomed (the most respectable out of that group) really takes me back to 2015 Skeptic KZbin and how that saying about "dying as the hero or living to see yourself as the villain" really holds true. Out of that cabal, who really came out not looking like a clown besides Undoomed who quit while he was ahead.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

@@MarvinPowell1 If you only pay attention to what happens on KZbin I'd agree, but I think Sargon made out alright in the end. He's left the more globalized arena of KZbin and focuses heavily on the UK now. The Lotus Eaters get some big names in the UK to appear on their show, such as former PM Liz Truss.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

@@Duo_Fish Thunderf00t being correct about the science is the only reason I stay subbed to him. I don't even watch his videos anymore. I just wait hoping he talks about something interesting again. I don't even like Elon Musk, but JFC. And his fans are sycophants who seem only to be interested in observing Elon as a lolcow. Thunderf00t has failed to inspire an interest in science in his fans.

[@LiftandCoa]

I have no idea who that person is but "this is widely accepted as a racist term" "Yeah, i know, thats why i used it" is SUCH a funny reply.

[@Philip_Taylor]

Sargon actually brought real life politics into 4chan, the uploader is just too young to know that. This guy spilled the beans on a lot of terrible things going on in the British establishment, and in society in general, 10 years ago. Things that were not being reported or talked about at all. His YT videos turned the light on for a lot of us, but uploader is looking at it through an innacurate zoomer-tier lens.

[@GlitterRain15]

@@Philip_Taylorhe’s not gonna fuck you. Don’t need to simp so hard

[@eno6712]

Yeah Turkey Tom must be under 18 to have this understanding of the world . He was watching Cocomelon while Sargon kickstarted the anti-Progldyte movement . ​@Philip_Taylor

[@KM-ph9pi]

It’s a 12 year old edgelord reply

[@xx_pcgamer_xx6866]

Lol that was so funny 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m still laughing because of how funny it was 😂😂😂 I’m still laughing even because it made me laugh when he said “ I know that’s why isl” 😂😂 IT WAS SO FUNNY!!!

[@StormaLorda]

Zoomers will never understand how fun the internet was 10+ years ago

[@NotUp2Much]

Internet was way more wild and uncensored. You can't even swear on youtube anymore.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

It was boring as fuck in the early 2000s then it was fun for like 3 yrs then the terminally online took over and ruined everything and now the terminally online are complaining about younger terminally online while the corps take over. Honestly if i could go back 15 yrs i'd force myself to be more social irl so i'd have stayed off the internet.

[@fedpostah]

Zoomers were online 10 years ago

[@oscardean8962]

We do because we were around, the guy who made this video is literally a zoomer himself. We’re not babies anymore, you’re thinking of Gen Alpha

[@Katt1n]

t. joined KZbin in 2015. You are probably younger than me.

[@JohnBoyAdvance]

On UKIP - They were always a "one issue party" The issue being "Don't want to be in EU anymore". Their voters were mostly a mix of Tory and Labour. Their peak was 2015 where they actually got 3rd in Vote share but because they never had enough voters in an area they only got 1 member of parliament (MP) The Brexit vote happened and the "one issue" was solved. The UKIP vote share collapsed in the 2017 election and they lost their one MP. It always was.

[@captainweekend5276]

Yeah what the reform party is now is basically UKIP under a different name, the party itself changes with the issue of the day, having gone from UKIP to the Brexit party, and now Reform UK, but many of the party members and the voter base remain the same. Also only having a single MP isn't at all bad, it's more representation than a lot of other political parties in the UK ever see, the green party is often seen as the 4th party in English politics after Labour, the Conservatives, and the Lib-Dems, and they only have a single MP.

[@JohnBoyAdvance]

@@captainweekend5276 Oh I agree to get 1MP is actually impressive. The first past the post system sucks for smaller parties and the current system only benefits reds n' blues. And yeah Reform Party seems to be UKIP2: immigrant boogaloo. In a time when more people are really against illegal immigration, so they are polling nicely.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@captainweekend5276 I hope reform becomes a serious movement. I want them to not be a 1 issue party, but a multi-issue party. The UK has a lot of problems, problems that I believe Reform should be focused on fixing.

[@splinte111]

@@captainweekend5276 With the conservatives becomming Labour-lite reform is trying to actually produce a right wing party. And i for one support the idea.

[@nathanperquin9910]

@@Kaiserboo1871 imma be honest reform to me feels like grifters, i know people are grasping at every straw they can to get away from the current paradigm and in comes a group of people who stop working everytime they almost reach any form of goal, once again to profit of their despair.

[@BismarckDidNothingWrong]

“[…] He’s managed to strike a healthy balance between his online presence and his personal life” is just about the best closing remark Tom’s given yet

[@dreamsofthefuture2890]

Im feeling like an r slur these days

[@-lloygic-3565]

Jesus, Tom. UKIP achieved Brexit, then the party died out. You're making it seem like the party lost popularity because of edgy youtubers, when it's more likely the case that edgy youtubers helped push Brexit over the line. Farage left in 2018, Brexit was achieved in 2016, you post an article from 2019 indicating that the party had collapsed. NO SHIT, THEY WON.

[@splinte111]

Exactly, UKIP was always a 1 agenda party. They got what they wanted and promptly disbanded. Now Reform is the response to a weak conservative party who failed to carry on the legacy of what Brexit was supposed to be.

[@user_abuser_o7]

Toms retarded

[@christopheraaron1255]

Nah, they lingered. Right wing marks getting manipulated by disaster capitalist arseholes is the turd that will not flush.

[@AELXO-cc7hr]

Ya but we can't say that here - but Turkey Tom wanted to make this as a hit piece... so ya

[@0816M3RC]

And now the UK regrets it's decision.

[@GfSavages]

It is worth mentioning that the Lotus Eaters Podcast recently interviewed former prime Minister Liz Truss which caused a massive political shit storm that even the current prime Minister Rishi Sunak had to address. If you go by raw KZbin numbers Sargon isn't as "popular" as he once was but he's still very much a part of British politics and has a very tangible impact on their public discourse. You don't have to like him but it's worth mentioning since there's sort of a soft implication in this video that he's past his prime in that sense. He's essentially filling the Tim Pool niche in Britain and really is one of the only former "anti-sjw" content creators to have successfully worked their way into real life political commentary.

[@Ulrna]

sargon is popular with the mainstream and politicians. Politicians hate being called out.

[@cubbian]

He fell off. Deal with it

[@cubbian]

@Adam_Johns washed up youtuber interviews washed up politician. Yeah, keep huffing that cope

[@xiaohuli27]

​@@cubbianhe regularly gets 40k+ views on his lotus eaters videos, and 100k on his Sargon account despite barely posting on it. You struggle to get 50. Don't call people bigger than yourself "washed up".

[@cubbian]

@@xiaohuli27 I post for fun. Sargon posts because it's his job. And his prime on KZbin was years ago. He's fallen off and the numbers show that. I thought you people were all about facts over feelings. Also, it was proven that Sargon made a fake Twitter account to defend himself. Pathetic and washed up.

[@AliceBowie]

It's funny that the police investigated him for saying that he *wouldn't* do something, under any circumstances. And they treated it as a threat that he was going to do that thing to that person.

[@pneumaniac14]

'i wouldnt even r*** you' has far more implications than its explicit meaning. It is true, in general, that any given phrase has a reasonable level of concision, and there is no need to state the obvious. You wouldn't say something like 'I wouldn't even cut my balls off for you', because the general assumption is that you wouldnt cut off your balls in any circumstances, so the sentences itself has the implication that you would usually cut off your balls for people, and you specifically are exceptional in this regard.

[@JohnDoe-vw4zf]

Sarcastically threatening to do something isn't really a joke for normal people

[@mapsdot9223]

​@@JohnDoe-vw4zfTry and keep up. He hyperbolically referred to her undesirable nature. He didn't threaten anything, sarcastically or otherwise

[@aidenfalconer3007]

​@JohnDoe-vw4zf he was clearly not threatening to rape anyone, and saying that he threatened to rape anyone is clearly a bad faith argument

[@_uncredited]

@@pneumaniac14 It has no implications. You are making inferences. There is a difference.

[@Notaracistatall]

Only real ones remember Sargon of Applebee's

[@asgrahim9164]

Tfw no suit

[@Notaracistatall]

@@asgrahim9164 DO YOU EVEN OWN A SUIT JIM???

[@squelching]

I'M LITERALLY DEALING WITH PAN-EUROPEAN POLITICS

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Is Laurence Fishburne white?

[@w00d5m4n]

classic metokur acting like a white n-word

[@androidoficeandfire9667]

Not even gonna mention how his company interviewed the former Prime Minister of the UK

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

This former Prime Minister is one of the biggest if not the biggest pariah in UK politics given that she crashed the economy and was out of office in record time.

[@simonkoeman3310]

I think Connor did that on his own

[@androidoficeandfire9667]

@@simonkoeman3310 as owner of the company Carl would’ve had to rubber stamp it

[@Skeloperch]

@@androidoficeandfire9667 Carl apparently exercises little control over his employees trusting in them to make the right choices themselves. Connor is more of a right wing generalist who actually goes on TV and has work outside of the Lotus Eaters, but most of the rest of the employees work exclusively for the Lotus Eaters.

[@BasileusXI]

@@Skeloperchit was done in the name of the lotus eaters

[@gaminganarchist]

Being a guest on a stream with Sargon and Dev where the kekistani concept was first brought up publically makes me feel ancient

[@matronmalice9867]

Bro, remember GamerGate Plus?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

were you there? :o

[@vincentadultman6226]

​@@ShortFatOtakuDo not cite the ancient rites to him, Tuber. He was there when it was written 🦁

[@wilius1428]

I remember that stream vaguely can't recall who was in it xD

[@gaminganarchist]

@@ShortFatOtaku sure was, I think it was the only time we spoke on stream

[@boymeetsfish3589]

Tom the type of guy to pretend he doesn’t know the transgender is obviously Blaire

[@honieebean]

I was wondering if it was blaire 😅

[@TheFaqvideos]

Holy shit you're so right.

[@Hatemile]

He has to not acknowledge trans people exist or his fans will be salty.

[@es0teric76]

​@Hatemile he's always been publicly respectful toward Blaire. What are you talking about?

[@beninthehills8155]

And call it a woman...

[@generalzucc462]

The fact he even trusted the BBC to interview him fairly lol

[@The13thRonin]

If you are an OG you'll know that he trusted David Pakman way before he trusted the BBC. A way worse mistake.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

There is a full version taken by himself and then released online, and yes they did heavily edit it to change context and framing.

[@The13thRonin]

@@vorynrosethorn903 Of course they did. It's the BBC. The BBC are the biggest liars in the history of television.

[@jonbergman7943]

Dude I even said at the time, right when that happened: "You JUST called these people dirty smear merchants, who will never ask questions or put forward your arguments in good faith. Why are you answering their questions now?"

[@adriadelafuente3648]

There's the recording from his part, if I remember it was to make a point about how they wouldn't represent him fairly, and lo and behold, they didn't.

[@SuperTallBird]

You made an video talking about the history of Sargon, and The Lotus Eaters was only 14 seconds at the very end of the video? The media company he started and runs that has been putting out tons of political content for years and landing major political interviews, and you only mentioned it for 14 seconds???

[@axaxaaxaxa6269]

Sipping the applebees juice??

[@lord_haven1114]

⁠@@axaxaaxaxa6269Lotus eaters content is actually legitimately great. If I were to ever pay for access to something, it would be that.

[@toadloads]

Literally who gives a shit. Sargon is a fucking fully fledged twat

[@BasileusXI]

⁠@@axaxaaxaxa6269metoker cope

[@drewpeacock9087]

When people make videos on Yoko Ono and the breakup of the Beatles, are they compelled too spend time on what Yoko is up to nowadays and how great her new art is? Or is it a video about a specific moment and you are only such addendums because you are a Sargon fan?

[@MrSnek75]

I still hate that he took down his old videos. They're basically lost historical media, unless someone has copies.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

He did it hoping to get monetization back. This shows where his true principles lie. It was always about the money. Why else would someone, who called the EU all the bad things you can think of, trying to become an MEP, knowing that his country would have to pay his salary, since this was a requirement of Brexit?

[@SuperTallBird]

I have all of them downloaded and preserved so they aren't exactly lost. He said he was going to delete them years ago, and then didn't for a very very long time.

[@SuperTallBird]

@@MrBell-iq3sm He said he was going to delete them a long time ago, prior to the start of the lotus eaters podcast, so I doubt it had anything to do with monetization

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

@@SuperTallBird He had this plan long before this podcast, he just didn't do it for a while.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

It's really frustrating. The video doesn't go into it, but i'm certain his ideology changed quite a bit over the years. I think I watched him basically nonstop from 2014 until he started the Lotus Eaters. I got bored of Lotus Eaters when I could predict what they'd say before they said it and noticed my mental health got better after I stopped watching him. Eventually he got really doomery and lost the fun side that made me initially start watching him. And IMO the full context of the Chink clip was fine. He was responding to somebody saying you couldn't be racist to white people because they're doing better than black people. He pointed out that Asians outperform White people, so it should therefore be okay to call them racial slurs, like the original video was defending with white people.

[@usefulusinguser]

He really bounced back with lotus eaters ngl

[@Blorp_]

Lotus eaters is dreadful

[@gregutz4284]

​@@Blorp_ Because you're not British. And you're likely a child with short attention span

[@laurioho2041]

the middest podcast

[@Badookum]

@@laurioho2041 Nah it's pretty entertaining imo, i've noticed that everyone has their own opinion on it, some think its ass, others think its mid, others say it's decent and others think it's the best thing Sargon has done. Im number 3, you're number 2, i just called you poopoo haha.

[@CurliFox]

The topics on that podcast are repetitive, and the hosts are stale and boring.

[@MrNamine]

Metokur vs Sargon was a good time on KZbin.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

One of the funniest sagas

[@biospark4758]

Carl is such a glass cannon. He’ll talk a big game, but 9 times out of 10, he crumbles when he gets blowback. He made content shitting on Anita Sarkesian for years, but tattled to convention organizers about her when she insulted him back. I don’t like Anita at all, but you’ve gotta be able to take what you dish out.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

@@biospark4758 You are conflating two different environments. There are far better examples of Carl's weakness against criticism, mostly from the last few years. Anita was 100% in the wrong for her actions at that event.

[@Gator159]

I feel it ended on a Cliffhanger though. Metokur made a Distrack and Sargon never responded on KZbin... Idk about the other social medias though. At that point I think he was busy setting up the Lotus eaters and leaving behind the Sargon KZbin Channel. Idk anymore, I stopped paying attention years ago lol.

[@TheGraveyarder]

​@@Gator159 carl made the right play of ignoring the drama i gotta respect that hindsight of his because he and all of us knew that jim wouldve made such a big fool of him

[@abramillio6402]

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters is not on KZbin and is mainly on their website, and not only a podcast, they put out Videos and articles. They did an Interview with Liz Truss, which sparked an outrage even the current Prime minister had to adress.

[@samsby14]

POTLE is on YT what you talking about willis?

[@nedlooby7419]

​@samsby14 the podcast isn't but clips are

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Yeah...a very good podcast.

[@YuziTriesVA]

Turkey cooking but his barber ain’t…

[@damianmonke3922]

He needs a good barber

[@manelneedsaname1773]

That's why he's a barber, not a chef

[@duwupe]

@ville__#WeStandWithImAlexx ✊🏿

[@Positive-Vibes-77]

Tomathon needs to pull a Burger Planet and go back to demand a refund

[@RowansReviews]

Hair line ain't straight but this money is

[@zawarudo1041]

3:00 remember, zoe quinns allegations drove man into self-deletion

[@stevestrangelove4970]

And his sister clapped

[@JackJohnson-sz3dm]

It's been a long time so I might be misrembering but wasn't the guy who self deleted an actual abuser though? There was. More than just what zoe quinn was saying.

[@homelessend8557]

@@JackJohnson-sz3dm no, those were rumors. In fact, those same allegations were what led to him self deleting + his history of depression. Look up Alec Holowka

[@riptors9777]

@@stevestrangelove4970 And then used his money to help fund Sweet baby Inc. Cant make this shit up even if you tried...

[@multilad816]

I haven't heard a peep about Zoe for years.

[@AlexRojas-db6yd]

Tom's youth is showing with this one: 4chan was involved with politics long before Sargon.

[@HallowedOstelogist]

I think he means, he was first to bring them into the public eye politically.

[@co44re]

I was there, before the beginning. I watched it all unfold. I learned an important lesson, meme magic is real.

[@mommasbigboy8656]

2016 was concrete proof of that.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

I learned that critical thinking skills never existed online and we'd have all been better off if wifi ans broadband never existed.atleast then we'd hsve more faith in the world it isnt full of adults behaving like children.

[@ben31uk]

Sargon didn’t come from 4chan

[@suprcrzy]

I still remember when Metokur was trying to stream snipe him years ago. And Sargon kept making excuses like shitty hotel WiFi (which is a valid excuse TBH), and just wouldn't go live. Then it got to the point where he just eventually refused to go live, because he wasn't gonna give Jim the satisfaction of re-streaming him (and making fun of him). Good times 😢

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Oh man that hello Jim stream was a huge disaster He was muted for 30 minutes And when Jim streamed he has 28k watching and blew Sargon out of the water

[@derichip3657]

Big ups Supercrzy!

[@ashleybrooke2087]

Never engage Metokur. He's wanting a fight. Just let him troll & do his thing but Sargon's pride made him take the bait. Jim was never going to lose there because it was never about winning for him. Either don't be a smug git or just ignore him & go about business as usual.

[@malekartorian3054]

Sweetie squad homies

[@c.d.c.8729]

@@malekartorian3054 chud buds represent. Buy a hat for your hat.

[@ghastly4360]

I used to love listening to Sargon's audiobooks on Machiavelli and many of his classical readings. I have some really great memories from those times as a kid! ❤❤

[@ben31uk]

This video is 7 years to late

[@nice3333333333]

So was you, and unfortunately your mom was a little to old for carrying at that time, which resulted in your minor R-slur’dation

[@bonx1955]

Tom the type of guy to title a video “7 BANNED KZbinrs who everyone forgot about” then list the most high profile KZbin ban cases in internet history.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

You could make a Turkey Tom style video, about Tom himself.

[@Lonit-be]

calling out sunnyv2 I see

[@PepsiMan666]

When is Carl gonna bring back those appetizers? Poor Jimbo has been waiting for years.

[@bobdole27]

Its funny that the hat man more or less predicted how his entire campaign was going to go, man that was some funny stuff

[@Panax07]

My Fritatas are getting cold!!

[@myklaaron7879]

Buy a hat for your hat🎩🤠🧢

[@scrubadub1397]

can you show some RESPECT?! He owns a suit goddammit! Jim probably doesn't even own a suit.

[@floyd9727]

@@Panax07”Can I speak to your manager?”

[@Oblivious2013]

Carl has 4 kids and has really improved his demeanor since the early days

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

If you scratch at the bottom of the barrel, you can either go the Ethan Ralph path and keep doing it, or go the only other way, which is up.

[@mommasbigboy8656]

Fr. I had forgotten how aggressive he used to be. 😂

[@jakublulek3261]

He mellowed out which many his fans don't like. For me, he went through a very similar character arc like myself, so he is even more relatable.

[@iamamaniaint]

Well at least he has four kids. I'll give him that.

[@darlindodan3603]

For better or for worse sargon and gamer gate got me to think more critically on politics

[@onlyonewhyphy]

That's a "for better". Theres no bad side to what you've said.

[@LarryActionGlass]

@@onlyonewhyphy I dont know, if he cant see it as all upside perhaps he shouldnt be trying to use his brain at all

[@onlyonewhyphy]

@@LarryActionGlass your comment was about you and critical thinking, due to external factors. If you can state that's anything but positive, I have no way to know what to add to that, beyond this. I said nothing, in my initial comment, that anyone could disagree with.

[@tlaloqq]

so you became a reactionary groyper , nice job dudee!

[@darlindodan3603]

@tlaloqq I used to be back in 2016-2018. Then I realized they were lying half the time too. Now I am lib because it seems to make the most sense most of the time.

[@attestedatom6752]

my turkey is tomming

[@stevestrangelove4970]

I feel he had one of the best endings from the GG era. Armorskeptic lost everything, mundane matt is still collecting rocks, chris ray gun does nothing, metokur has ass cancer, etc. I mean, shoe got married and has a kid now, but with all the bad endings he did okay.

[@BasedHyperborean]

Armored Skeptic’s channel has never been more interesting, Chris Ray Gun was always a joke, Ethan became the thing he swore to destroy, Shoe’s still based, and if we wanna talk about bad endings… idubbbz. Nuff said.

[@grendelsnub6304]

You realize getting married and having kids is normal and expected right? That’s not an accomplishment. If that’s all that shoeonhead is known for recently then as a KZbinr she’s fallen off like most of the skeptics. Chris raygun was literally on creator clash boxing for charity recently, and he runs a podcast with his friends. That’s not doing nothing. Just because he’s not obsessed with culture war slop doesn’t mean he’s fallen off. And metokur having cancer is somehow an L? Don’t act like you have morality when you shit on those at their lowest. Maybe sargon shouldn’t have made himself look like a dunce by accusing him of being a pedo or accused him of lying about his illness.

[@pepelag7278]

@@grendelsnub6304Shoe’s videos get millions of views. She didn’t fall off at all in fact she’s objectively more successful now than she was years ago. Her getting married and having a kid is a different kind of success. Her ex fell off in every way.

[@BasedHyperborean]

@@grendelsnub6304being on the idubbbz fake boxing charity thing isn’t impressive. Chris is as cooked as idubbbz.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

​@@grendelsnub6304 Shoe got married, has a kid, a succesful youtube channel, a loving husband, a good life. I mean, that is being succesful, just the good life part is enough. I dont care if chris does culture war shit, I say he fell off because he stop doing fun videos and I would be amazed if his podcast has the views his old videos had. And the boxing was shit, why anyone care about a boxing event with no views and wasted money? And yes, getting cancer is a L, one of the biggest L life can give you. Go defend your eceleb husband on your discords, Jim is a funny guy but the amount of retards ideolizing him are worst than rick and morty fans.

[@AlexiosLynx]

I was among the first to think that #gamergate and its consequences were Vastly underestimated. Basically it kicked off the "culture wars" shit we got in these years.

[@jamesdreads7828]

I think you might have actually been the first. You also invented bread.

[@soHatey]

Not really but with Gamer Gate a ton of people that weren't interested in any of that stuff got it shoved in their face and they didn't like it

[@lithuaniaball]

That's forbidden lore. Normies weren't ready to find out how much influence the government has in our day to day lives, circling the wagons and declaring war on gamers pulled the curtain back too far too fast, then one thing led to another

[@Beelzeboogie]

​@@lithuaniaballFuckin lol "They targeted gamers... Gamers!"

[@Fahrenheit38]

The culture war was coming one way or another.

[@RoyalJester17]

gamergate is what brought this new age of sweet baby inc games, trying to appeal to a non existing audience

[@warbossgegguz679]

I do have to say that tom critiquing someone else's abilities when it comes to debate is really funny.

[@PuritySin]

Oh my thank you so much for showing off my channel. Im glad my archive could help out.

[@Deadsnake989]

I remember you from all of this stuff. Used to see you in chats in pretty much everyone's streams. And now you're an over 100k subscriber channel, neat, and congratulations.

[@PuritySin]

@@Deadsnake989 Thanks so much! Its honestly wild how all this played out..

[@Badookum]

@@PuritySin I have no idea who you are but congrats for 100k regardless, that's definitely an achievement. Hope you got your silver play button/getting it soon.

[@PuritySin]

@@Badookum After months of waiting they actually just shipped mine out im pretty excited and thrilled that so many people like my vids.

[@darkfeign]

The ending seems a bit rushed

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

I had the feeling many of Carl's controversies were only glanced at and even brushed over, the longer his story it goes, the harder it is to do this.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

@@AbeYousef Indeed. Nowadays he is essentially irrelevant. Just one of many bland voices in an oversaturated market, but before all of this, before his run for office he was a very polarising and controversial figure, who was associated with many shady individuals.

[@DantinozMC]

@@MrBell-iq3sm ?? He's not relevant on KZbin in the same way maybe, but he has a large following on his podcast and still produces good content.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

@@DantinozMC How large exactly? We are taking average, not good days?

[@DantinozMC]

@@MrBell-iq3sm 10k average for regular streams ON his website. Around 2k for paid things (meaning he would be doing quite well also). His YT channel (Podcast of the Lotus Eaters) has 430k subs, you can check to see the viewcount, it's not millions but for political podcasting content it's pretty damn good.

[@sdal5427]

Fuck, I feel old Shadilay brothers, Shadilay

[@NoFlu]

Had a long car drive a few weeks ago and threw on that one playlist, where you have just dumped in all the songs you liked over the years, and shadilay came on. Honestly, the song is pretty dope...

[@noticer3721]

@@NoFlu It helped us meme a deity into existence. A classic until the end.

[@TheBathrobeWizard]

​@NoFlu agreed song is still fire.

[@matthewgubbins8515]

He just wanted to play video games

[@DjDeadpig]

Rucka Rucka Ali reference

[@Vancofe]

Look what they done

They should have let us play video games, man. All they had to do was leave gaming alone and their world domination would go totally unchecked. But they poked the autists, and now we ree

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Correction. The tourist wanted to complain about video games while pulling a Steve Buscemi and going all “How do you do, fellow kids?!”

[@walkermott1750]

Carl is what happens when the "I just want to grill"er learns that he is no longer allowed to grill

[@gingeranagram2467]

What a handsome Applebee's waiter

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Uh oh, Carl! This dude’s apparently got the hots for you! 😂

[@empireschild1]

Do you even own a suit!?

[@Unpainted_Huffhines]

Applebee's _manager._

[@wilius1428]

bruh this is such a trip down memory lane

[@vincentwerts4724]

He's just sitting there...menacingly! Anita.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Anita is maybe the most unlikable person in the past 20 years of the internet and that is an insanely tough competition.

[@francisxavier8374]

bruh no, dude was screaming about debating him

[@vincentwerts4724]

@@francisxavier8374 after she badmiuthed him. He didn't say a thing until she insulted him. His response was to invite her to a conversation. Not exactly "garbage human" behavior if you ask me.

[@Darth_Bateman]

@@vincentwerts4724 So you probably don't have all the details, and are missing something. Sargon made a LOT of videos about her. . . .A LOT. . . . .Something about over 40 in a year? Sargon had an INCREDIBLY hateful fanbase. When you have a hateful fanbase, what they do is swarm you like vultures DEMANDING answers and mocking you all while mocking you and calling you names. Sargon knew this. Sargon understood this. No sane person in Anita's position would want ANYTHING to do with Sargon at that point. Yet Sargon pretended everything and kept showing up and "inviting her to debate" and showing up to her panels knowing FULL well he basically sicced his rabid fanbase at her multiple times demanding he engage with her. He harassed her and that is the truth. This is coming from someone who DESPISES Anita Sarkeesean. Her presence in games over-corrected it and let a bunch of obnoxious California narcissists into the gaming community and was INSTRUMENTAL in radicalizing everyone in a medium of fun, because thanks to HER? Rage bait grifters had ammo, and games have NOT improved with her presence.

[@vincentwerts4724]

@@Darth_Bateman I've watched most of them, I know. Many people did, and many people still do. Not a single one of the videos he made on her said anything slanderous or profane. He simply countered her arguments. How many did you watch, friend?

[@LordDoof]

Kraut is still active actually, but now he makes history and political science videos lol.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

He went full libtard for a bit, then realised he could push his message better if he made it look factual.

[@xenn4985]

@@vorynrosethorn903 "look" factual?

[@harbl99]

How is Tilly doing?

[@pieshka4509]

Isn't he a leftist now? Last I saw him appear was a lazerpig stream on the Russian ww2 parade when he came on and everyone got excited and amped vaush wanted to join

[@castiron2844]

​@@vorynrosethorn903What is his message?

[@knobjob2839]

Gamer Gate kicked off the antiSJW movement we see now? Dude you are in your early 20's huh....

[@chiefslinginbeef3641]

You know he is.

[@maxabdulhadi]

what did? It defo popularised it. I remember when I was 10 watching anime youtubers randomly start making vids roasting Anita and Buzzfeed

[@MGsubbie]

@@maxabdulhadi Kicking off means to start something. It made it bigger, but it certainly didn't start it. All of this was already happening for years before GG.

[@EricHamm]

@@maxabdulhadi SJWs have been a meme well before even before memes were a thing. Have you ever heard of Hippies? You know anything about counter culture?

[@RaggedLands]

I'd say there were definitely anti-sjw sentiments, but an actual anti-sjw MOVEMENT? as in, people finally standing up and saying "get lost with this shit"? That was gamergate

[@felixkristofferjanitz6023]

I love count dankula

[@DjDeadpig]

Nazi Pug is the best example of how bad the Scottish legal system is, and Dank took it like a champ. I still remember him coming on PKA talking about being in prison.

[@BonShula]

Everyone who replied to this post is on the spectrum

[@DjDeadpig]

@@BonShulaNah, that’s a Vaush thing.

[@george_denbrough]

@@BonShula Spotted the Vaush fan

[@casualcrusader1547]

@@BonShula**LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE**

[@sentient_trash]

We just wanted to play video games

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I think in my entire life before the Great Awokening I heard racism in real life twice. Two times in my entire life I heard someone say something racist. After the Great Awokenining, I think about race every single day and I see racism every single day.

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

When you guys complain about seeing black characters in video games, this simplistic argument loses its merit.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 You mean like when EA made black Nazis...

[@setterfieldstray]

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 No ones complaining about black people in video games. We're complaining about forced diversity where it isn't needed. Like turning vikings into black people or making WW2 elite soldiers into women. Stop simplifying it just to make your argument sound better.

[@jakebreaker]

Correction: The original Zoë Post not only DIDN'T claim Quinn slept around for reviews, but at one point, the author put in a note to "trilby-wearing internet detectives" stating explicitly that that wasn't the case. He had two other contentions, instead: 1) Quinn was an excellent narrative designer-so good that she never stopped designing narratives, even in her personal life. 2) Quinn was a rapist and abuser. The Zoë Post is a pretty wild and enraging read, to be honest. And I recommend it for anyone interested in internet drama.

[@TheUplate]

It did prove that she cheated on Eron 5 times though. All 5 were in the industry and 3 gave her twine "game" positive reviews. Eron was blinded by his proximity to the situation and the trilby detectives were almost certainly correct

[@biospark4758]

Whether or not she explicitly slept around for reviews, the fact that she slept with multiple people who positively reviewed her games shows a massive conflict of interest.

[@TheNotshauna]

@@biospark4758 You are literally talking about freeware, conflict of interest implies that there is a tangible benefit for exposure.

[@biospark4758]

@@TheNotshauna there absolutely is though. Positive press can mean more opportunities for work, subsequent, not freeware games turning a bigger profit, etc.

[@Beelzeboogie]

@TheUplate Er no only 3 of the 5 were identified, and only one of those, Nathan Grayson, was a game journalist, the other two were musicians.

[@RusstleDeeJimmie]

"I'm literally dealing with Pan-European Politics. I'll be wearing a suit. Jim probably doesn't even own a suit."

[@zazikikomo7796]

Metokur fans just can't let this go lmao.

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

That was a great time on KZbin.

[@bstybyz3]

I mean... we all know it was Blaire, right?

[@intboom]

He just wanted to play videogames.

[@mikecampos1193]

So did Mister Metokur.

[@S.D.E06]

YOU ARE HIS BIGGEST SUPPORTER??? NOW THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOU DOESENT IT? YOU ST*PID PR!CK

[@BrandonBuckingham]

tom is goated with the sauce

[@acedia_14]

damn there’s hella tubers in this comment section

[@soHatey]

Feels like it was a lifetime ago

[@typhonviserys8288]

Naw. "A lifetime ago" was the expiration date on all of these "Applebees manager" jokes from the Mr. Mediocre fans.

[@TransRoofKorean]

One thing I hope gets somehow mentioned: of all YTers who stuck around long enough "to turn into the villain", so to speak, Sargon's the one exception who stuck around long enough that everyone got to see him truly improve in pretty much every aspect of his life. I remember him back in 2013, before the whole GG thing kicked off; I remember when TWIS began (and kinda miss that sometimes); but it's amazing to look at him back then, when the best thing there was to say about him was that he was an edgelord, and contrast it to the upstanding father with his own successful small news business. What a change.

[@xenn4985]

omegon picked up the twis torch, a bit different but you might like it.

[@TransRoofKorean]

@@xenn4985 I know his buddy Vee was more directly doing it, but I hadn't heard of "omegon"

[@MarvinPowell1]

@TransRoofKorean He never had a redemption arc or matured; he just bounced back from irrelevancy and does some stupid podcast most people outside of his fanbase don't even know about. (I checked and it only has 400,000 subs; less than his main channel. That is irrelevant in 2024 KZbin.) You can say Andy Warski has had more "comeback arcs" in a single year than Sargon has. Again, not that "success" equals "maturity" or redemption.

[@Olter_]

@@MarvinPowell1 hahahhahaa you are delusional dude

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@Olter_ And you are sucking Carl's dick way too hard.

[@nonAehT]

i still remember that stream where he pitched "Gamer Gate 2.0" to Mister Metokur and was laughed out of the room. Highly entertaining.

[@lord_haven1114]

I think he was just wasting their time. I mean the kill stream is a pretty goofy low tier show. It’s funny but it’s also just e-celeb drama type stuff. He shouldn’t have, but I think that’s what he was doing because I guess he had nothing better to do with his time at that point? It was weird. Now whatever one thinks of Sargon, the lotus eaters is genuinely a great machine.

[@Meeceace]

​@@lord_haven1114He was being genuine in that stream, no need to pretend he wasn't a complete retard that was trying to get his former fame back

[@TempestSol]

So. I've got bad news for you... 4chan was brought into politics long before Carl Benjamin did it. Lest you forget the ancient meme of 'And who is this Four Chan?'

[@otopugpug]

Damn, crazy having Tom talk about Harmful Opinions, the GOAT

[@smolbeanregarder]

Wrong chronology on the "but let's be honest nobody's got that much beer" comment, that's from a joke outtakes video he made in Gibraltar during his ukip campaign

[@coolassjack3214]

This is not a well done video but not even in a way where you just got some stuff wrong. It seems like you purposely got facts and dates wrong to create a false yet more interesting narrative. This is the first time I knew enough about it to catch it but how common is this in your video essays?

[@cringemeariver5266]

Way too often.

[@thimbletoe]

Basically anyone that makes content like this will be very unreliable, just trying to get views in regardless of how accurate it is, this one is worse cus he had like a decade to get his facts straight

[@FecklessandKekless]

"That's a slur" "Yea... that's why i used it" King

[@jboy77]

Lmao "I know, that's why I used it" is absolutely diabolical 😂😭 0:29

[@some1online2]

The controversy about his platform interviewing the UK Prime Minister Liz Truss is worthy of a video in itself.

[@carlhartwell7978]

He recently publicly apologised unequivocally to Jess Phillips in a GBN interview. He said he's willing to apologise to her in person. You jumped the gun on the video by just over two weeks!🤣🤷‍♀

[@MisterN1]

Have you even read John Locke? -Sargon of Akkad

[@spacedebris566]

Loki

[@thehangedman6690]

Sargoy is one of these characters whre I am conflicted about. But him asying "I wouldn't even rape you" comment and then refusing to apologise is some really funny shit.

[@bakerboat4572]

I generally like him, because while he does get headstrong and put his foot in his mouth sometimew, at the end of the day he is actually able to sit down and have a conversation. P.S. I started watching him back in the day because he was a center-left perspective in politics that I found insightful (notwithstanding debate fiascos).

[@beyersviljoen1160]

Jesus Christ... Even in a video about Sargon... Can't fucking escape imalexx...

[@CozyTardKebin]

This video was all over the place. I hope you didn’t spend too much time much time gathering info because a lot of this was wrong

[@thebubonicj]

The ‘wouldn’t even’ tweet was actually pretty brilliant but you can’t expect those dirty smear merchants to play fair

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

These dang dirty trolls, spreading negativity around Carl of Swindon.

[@Corndogsauce1974]

Please do one on The Amazing Atheist. This was such a throw back to watch thanks tom

[@grendelsnub6304]

Talk about a skeptic who fell off even harder. Dude’s a full on anarchist now

[@jukebox_heroperson3994]

One who fell off period

[@Corndogsauce1974]

@@grendelsnub6304 man I used to love the drunken peasants podcast. I was like literally 12 but he was so funny to me at the time lol

[@VoxRationisUltima]

Bro, I was wondering if Sargon would ever be covered on the Turkey Tom channel. Sargon was, for better or worse, one of the first content creators I ever followed consistently. Its been a long while since I've followed him, but it's hard to deny the impact that he's had in the online politcal commentary space. Fun fact: Theres still a PewDiePie video up where him and Kraut are mentioned in the video description.

[@louiefillet6932]

What if? now hear me out, you guys... We get Donald Trump to tweet about gamergate

[@aromardu]

Ah yes, Sargon of Applebee's.

[@twiztid_gamer]

Dude, you gotta do Dankula now. Call it "Absolute Mad Lad - Count Dankula"

[@nice3333333333]

“And now for something completely different…”

[@RisingPhoenix05]

I remember watching Sargon during high school. During the big radical/anti-feminism skeptic phase I had. I don't regret that time. It was a time of learning what I value.

[@Bashbekersjiw]

What make you change

[@KingRumar]

It’s incredible how offended they got over the RP joke and I remember when it happened. He said it as a way to put her BS down but like a typical troglodyte would - keep pushing it for years and years because it just got to her. It was such a non-threat that it became a threat to her ego and existence. At that point, they were demanded to know why he wouldn’t RP her like they WANTED him to after all that

[@wanderduck3]

Pepe was never an alt-right symbol. The point of making Pepe look right wing was to keep normies from using it because Pepe was starting to be used by MSM, and the absolutely worst thing to a person of the MSM is right wing nonsense. It basically turned into a one-up game. Now, were there actual racists/alt-right people making some of the memes? Probably. But in no way can you reasonably claim they were the majority of even a large minority.

[@Henners1991]

Something I think you could have gone into more detail over is how Sargon's politics have changed. As you said, he debated Richard Spencer as a Liberal and yet, nowadays, actively disowns liberalism as a failed concept. He self-identifies as a Conservative Reactionary now.

[@epicphailure88]

Most conservatives are philosophically liberal. Liberalism isn't a failed concept because it has yet to be defeated.

[@Henners1991]

@@epicphailure88 If you watch his more recent videos and stuff with the Lotus Eaters, Sargon quite specifically and intentionally repudiates Liberalism. Specifically because he views progressivism as its inevitable conclusion (because it's founded in liberal principles and is difficult to refute through Liberalism)

[@basedautistic6021]

Ah yes, the meme wars… many brothers were lost that year

[@hagbardceline9909]

Do not cite the old magic to me, I was there when it was written

[@blob22201]

I miss your videos, hope you're doing OK.

[@neon-lf-graves]

This is going to be painful to watch

[@ShabririChirugh]

Gonna be interesting when Tom finds out about "Angry foreigner", that would be a video indeed!

[@Stealth86651]

4chan's been political long before people started doing youtube videos on it, guess not too many people were around then.

[@ReventonSpeed]

Tom really needs to make one of these deep dives on Metokur

[@kazekagekid]

It’s important to note that GamerGate was called that because the official big name gaming news media sites started using “gamer” as a slur, unironically. They showed insane contempt for their own readers while siding with the wokies who weren’t shy about how much they hated games and those who enjoyed them. Gatekeeping is important sometimes.

[@VillainRetro]

What timeline are we in when I see the Ulster Unionist Party in a Turkey Tom video?

[@CodiiLuv]

Tom, have you read John Locke?

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Sargon ironically finally got round to it and is not a fan, he has been arguing against the philosophy of liberalism since. At the moment with conservatism, but Christian KZbin is readying the baptismal font.

[@JessyDoyle]

@@vorynrosethorn903 all they need to do is finally declare a proper crusade and Carl will come kneeling, ready to serve God.

[@goddammitalana]

/Pol was WAY more abrasive than Carl ever was lol