The Zoe and Liang Show 惠眼说亮话 EP4 - Do people date for lust or love? 年轻人只谈暧昧不谈爱情？

[@libinlin6563]

惠眼说亮话，越来越劲爆。

[@Buttercookies0]

Even though you may think you have found that one finally and get married, there is no guarantee that the marriage will be really secured. The world is changing and people also change with time. Human beings are not static objects. They continue to change and so there are still risks in the future.

[@Peachu_n_Goma_Home]

Yes, and trying out in situationship is different compared to marriage, there are people who can be very good friend / sex partner but they are so bad as spouse...some are very bad parent as well (projecting insecurities onto children). If the female guest is so insecure about marriage than dont get married but pls protect yourself...have heard many insecure girls who ended up unmarried and raising child on their own...fine if this is what they want...but you get the vibe that it isnt.

[@christinetan2281]

这个节目真的很好！ 让我们这些老年人长知识！ 郭亮惠玉见解跟我们比较相近！ 也了解为什么现在的年轻人为什么动不动就离婚！🙏🙏🙏

[@yanling60]

I think what the youngsters are saying doesn't apply across the board. Maybe it's more acceptable these days to try and date people simultaneously but for me and my circle of friends, we are more like zoe's way of thinking. We have a boyfriend and are serious in our monogamous r/s. Only when we are officially bf and gf then we kiss, hold hands etc. I'm in my mid to late 20s.

[@manyue2003]

Zoe tay is no prude. She's a model when she's young. She seen many such stuff. Also in the 80s these things happens too just not talk about so often.

[@charmainewongsm]

Agree. I think she is the type that is more attention seeking and needs that attention from others for self validation.

[@naofumi9980]

I dont even kiss unless I know In gonna marry this person. You guys are all animals

[@manyue2003]

@@naofumi9980 Are you sure you are not a boomer ? 😁

[@starshine9836]

人越来越缺爱，想爱但怕被受伤害，不敢担当责任。the world is broken down. More and more people lack love and seek instant gratification. But mature love needs commitment and responsibility. Nowadays, not many know how to bear responsibilities even for themselves, what more another significant one

[@5huihui]

人太自我为中心了，一直都是。以前可能自我隐藏太好。如今更堕落 - 自我到有理，到自欺欺人，到极致。 爱 是 恒 久 忍 耐 ， 又 有 恩 慈 ； 爱 是 不 嫉 妒 ； 爱 是 不 自 夸 ， 不 张 狂 ， 不 做 害 羞 的 事 ， 不 求 自 己 的 益 处 ， 不 轻 易 发 怒 ， 不 计 算 人 的 恶 ， 不 喜 欢 不 义 ， 只 喜 欢 真 理 ； 凡 事 包 容 ， 凡 事 相 信 ， 凡 事 盼 望 ， 凡 事 忍 耐 。 哥林多前书 13:4-7

[@DCVT22]

有种人更可怕，嘴巴满口道德批判到处别人行为，这叫伪君子😌七宗罪傲慢可是比色欲更危险，你如果想要引用圣经的典故的话我送你一句“不要论断人，免得你们被论断”。(太7：1)

[@DCVT22]

圣经教导人要用爱引导，你用圣经论断🤣神说一切罪等他到来，你倒好代替神论断

[@748-Fxxx]

@@DCVT22 这是公开言论自由的帖子管你屁事！

[@DCVT22]

@@748-Fxxx 你都说了自由发言了呢😏😏😏😏

[@DCVT22]

@@748-Fxxx 用回你的角度问回你，我说话又关你屁事😌😌

[@ariel3234]

I love this episode, feels honest and two generations sharing perspectives

[@seraphhaha5151]

这集很okay 就比较像在聊天 有来有往的聊天式访谈 看了真的挺舒服 也不会那么拘谨🥳🔥

[@5huihui]

同意。可能要有至少两位嘉宾才行。可能话题是好的。

[@nalipalollipop]

我觉得第一集也不错! 整个谈话比较顺和有flow。这集的来宾蛮有想法的、表达能力不错又适时发问来延续话题 🙂👍

[@littlemisssuper]

這集的訪問看得太舒服了 主持人來賓就是要互相丟球 雅慧那集看得好辛苦

[@summergal006]

Good discussion. Can accept dating one to one but not with multiple partners. Really depends on one’s maturity and what they are looking for 😊

[@charmainewongsm]

Agree.

[@Sagepeh]

郭亮其实很敢说，并且三观也很正确

[@joyhapply]

对关系都这么随便了，怎么相信伴侣会认真哦？这样子当然不敢进入婚姻啦！ 年轻派约会/暧昧感觉好像很爽，但是面对婚姻就却步了，因为伴侣随时换，离婚的风险比较大。

[@catJen115]

Basically in this type of relationship, you are just guessing your partner's intention behind this relationship...definitely, there is one person in this relationship hoping it to flourish to become the real thing but may not want to be the one to admit it. This is way more tiring and frustrating.

[@charmainewongsm]

Indeed. It’s for those who need to be with someone for self-validation. It doesn’t do them better, actually.

[@p.candle]

跟惠玉同款的震惊，原来现在的年轻人对待男女关系的态度是这样的。

[@杞雨宸]

很喜欢这个节目

[@Liz-ux8be]

interesting topics & interesting show 👍

[@guru6831]

Of course, they date for lust! Avoid mistaking lust for love.

[@Truth008]

Exactly. Zoe and Liang should tell them this is wrong!!! The 2 young ones value is so wrong!!!

[@andrewng267]

Invite rui en please !

[@iamjulia9458]

只觉得现在年轻人的思想很堕落。人在每个间断，感觉 成熟，思想，稳重度都不一样。人生本来就是一个赌注。没用100%的完美。都是要磨合的。 你在选人，人在选你。难道步入婚姻就是不能变吗? 变了又怎么样呢？同时跑几条感情线… 对自己和对方来说都是一个不负责任的态度。难怪最近一直有看到性病检验的广告。🙄 Aids 就是这么来的。还没找到幸福就丢了命！笨！

[@DCVT22]

很奇怪呢，法律也没说是犯法，年轻人想要追求自己想要的也没错啊，人生是他们的啊，反倒是你，谁给你的权利可以对别人的人生批判堕落不堕落，道德的高点让你觉得可以随便对他人的选择批判🤔就算是他们因为这个事情中aids好啦也是他们自己选择啊，他们做的选择你有啥权利批判呢👀你觉得人应该怎样也是你自我的想法，不代表可以强制把观念强塞吧😌

[@DCVT22]

还有一个事情，不要把aids说成好像一种羞耻，有些病人因为自己的另一半导致的传染原本应该接受治疗，就因为你们这种人的发言导致他们想告诉家人的勇气，接受治疗的勇气给弄没了，这些无辜的人其实没必要被人将看待

[@748-Fxxx]

@@DCVT22 你太激动别人的看法了！每个人都有他们的观点！不接受也不用一直到处阻挡别人贴文！

[@DCVT22]

@@748-Fxxx 强制灌输自己想法是小事？教别人怎样选择人生是小事？，好共产党的想法呢😌，我就是看不爽高高在上的道德批判，这也是我的权利，不爽别看，我就爱怼类似你们这种人，不赞成就别定义别人，站道德制高点显圣母

[@748-Fxxx]

@@DCVT22 想想别人的观点有强制你接受吗?还是你害怕你不同观点被压制?那么容易受人影响就不要上网！

[@huangjunhui]

个人觉得只是现代人不想要有commitment, 比较想要自由自在

[@qilimercurial5116]

Great episode..

[@yeezeey4037]

Excellent episode to peep into young people's world. Prep myself not to get shock from my teenage sons LOL!!

[@thomaslau2362]

Zoe and guo liang do make a good tag team

[@tamshanon8917]

不要忘記，新一代，還是老一輩的…..出了什麼事，女生始終還是吃虧的一方，尤其是在bio上。

[@baibaizhang3421]

一种模式 网路上寻找陌生人，彼此可以亲嘴约会，但不干涉或介入彼此生活。不过约会结束后，便不会打扰双方的生活，甚至可以都不联络。 有人提过，向往正常谈恋爱，但应各种因素没办法进入关系。 或者，担心自己处理不了感情问题，又不敢接受单纯的性，单纯亲吻能给自己极大的身心慰藉，和極底成本满足自身需求。

[@foosintuak1036]

Good program, good host

[@wongweihan8639]

The guys that started and brainwash girls into accepting this kind of relationship and arrangement and now becoming a norm for the younger generation is really the champion. Have to really Salute them

[@thomaslau2362]

Nowadays the generation is more on 暧昧 and enjoy the process. A pax age and his perspective towards a raltionship also play a pivotal part on the 暧昧.

[@yvonneng3081]

郭亮 👍support u

[@frankl2280]

我觉得有这种思想这种行为的人非常低级、非常低贱。

[@DCVT22]

说出这话的你也不会高级到哪里去，站道德高点说粗俗的字眼😌

[@frankl2280]

@@DCVT22 你道德低或没有道德是你家教的事。

[@748-Fxxx]

@@DCVT22 贴主有自己言论自由的观点关你屁事！

[@DCVT22]

@@748-Fxxx 我说话又管你屁事呢？

[@tamshanon8917]

Dating 連房間也開了。沒事發生，…隨性…甚至「帥」。但如果，懷孕了呢？ 年輕人對於這種隨性的辯解，是發自在「沒有事發生」的基礎上。我的問題是，懷孕了，怎麼辦？不跟父母親說，直接把胎兒，打掉？隔天，當作什麼事情也沒發生，繼續try 嗎？ 說到來，他們年輕人的這套作法，都是站不住腳的，歪理

[@evelynlim8649]

道德的沦陷。简直把找寻伴侣当游戏。

[@tamshanon8917]

@@evelynlim8649 的確

[@hiemengsu4533]

Very honest interview. Chan Tong very handsome. Hopefully he could make it to top before 30. Otherwise, old liao

[@NoMusicNoMeaningful]

where to buy the bubbletea chouchou?

[@ClementLee2000]

Sex is an important part of marriage. Why? Because if there is no sex, can just be good friends. So the biggest difference (among other things) is sex. This new "Situationship" scenario, one will be ended up with a few whom you have good sex with. From this few, one will see which one has a better fit. That is also provided that the other party's feeling is mutual. But I have one question : If a girl has 3 guy friends in "Situationship" and she got pregnant, how does she "proof" to the guy that the baby is theirs?

[@Lovepeace.112]

OMG!! I just realised I got generation gaps now. How can that happen? I am as shock as Zoe Tay ! 😅 The definition of Dating has changed now . 真的好泛滥了啊！Very unhealthy mindset and giving excuses for ‘trying ‘ I think. All sort of excuses actually. Youngsters nowadays focus on physical sexual needs more than anything else , sex alone will not give you any security and commitment. As you age, you will regret your loose lifestyle. 我觉得现在的年轻人反而不够勇敢和太害怕了才‘ take the risk’ of keep trying different partners, 难道这样做就能确保将来能得到美好的结婚吗？ 哪也不必然的。

[@bartliao2882]

Another perspective is that, in the past, dating couples would pre-live a commitment to exclusive dating partner to subject themselves to test against the Marriage vow - In the name of God, I, _____, take you, _____, to be my wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until parted by death. This is my solemn vow.", but today's couple with do the exact opposite and once decided, expected to suddenly flip a switch and able to mentally, emotionally and physically live out the marriage vow. Sadly, it seems to be a twisted logic.

[@Mintziestwisties]

It is sad that our young society is saying that behaviour is “normal”

[@Sagepeh]

我的天了，为什么女生那么认同，女生其实很吃亏的啊

[@mamemo359]

我身边也有这样说话的女生但事情发生后根本潇洒不起来，难过的要命。哎。我还本来真的觉得她是个思想很前卫的女性，后来发现女生也就是女生啊。。。🥲

[@babymonster007]

When can interview paige and pierre?

[@silverfox3800]

Youngsters nowadays do not care about commitment. What guarantee anyone can have by trying out first? No one can predict the future why lead such careless and irresponsible lifestyle?

[@charmainewongsm]

I v agree it’s actually lack of confidence or self-love. Kind of堕落

[@ClementLee2000]

With divorce rate at about 50%, means that as much as half of the young people saw how their own parent went separate ways. This show them that marriage is nothing when come in the face of "Love conquers all".

[@silverfox3800]

@@ClementLee2000 It is not like they hv no confidence in marriage rather these ppl find it fun to not be committed and hv multiple bfs/gfs.

[@jerrychen7535]

是的，如果做爱不默契，其他地方再默契也没用。

[@cherryzhuzhuloveslemontea]

我可以明白同时跟多位异性做嘴友，可以从中找到可以恋爱的感觉。 如果对某一方特别有感觉， 可以有在进一步的发展。 但是对同时有多位异性炮友， 我觉得风险太大了。 我觉得对身体健康很不好吧！

[@lukelow8927]

Young people are different lol we have to explore things first before settling down into a proper and probably a long lasting relationship and then getting married. There's nothing wrong about it. Also it's not every young person will do this kind of stuff. It's a case by case situation

[@godbless9455]

我很好奇：不是说了不用负责任吗？怀孕了，怎么还要问要不要孩子？而且试了几个，怎么知道孩子是谁的？你觉得和你一样玩试试的男人会对你和孩子负责任?双方不要孩子，接下来要怎样处理？新加坡堕胎合法吗？😅不好意思，我完全不解...

[@Peachu_n_Goma_Home]

玩玩试试根本女方吃亏。女生该醒了。😄

[@weleklee]

A situationship, i.e. NSA, FWB, FB etc in the heterosexual sociology these days if indeed exists is, frankly, way behind the male homosexual pattern.

[@DTYY941]

I feel this kind of relationship happens on decent looking people or those sweet talkers people. Introvert unlikely and may just go geylang

[@linlong5053]

郑六月好棒！第一次看她，感觉落落大方！

[@diesopain260]

对的人不一定觉得你是对的人。所以不要浪费时间找对的人。

[@承恩蒋]

我现在不在相信爱情很恐惧

[@boopeep8277]

有机会邀请 Fann 文芳吗 😁

[@vincentlee764]

Just like prostitution, as long as they can justify it, they do it. So, where is your value system?

[@flowercolourful4718]

Worse than prostitution. I respect prostitues, perhaps they may be in financial difficulties or have to support family or have no qualifications/ skills, so they have no better choice but to work in this trade to earn money. But now such youngsters' trend is lacking in moral value, no self-control, no accountability, no responsibility.

[@tamshanon8917]

What are we ? 至於嗎？…. 好好笑

[@clesonpoison-d2y]

You need to date many people to know what you want. So you will find the right one and not divorce afterwards. And u only young one, don’t date many then wait till become auntie and uncle then u will regret for not having all these experiences.

[@evelynlim8649]

This will eventually become a habit that one will just walk out of a relationship when not suitable, which is the same as divorce. Cannot be faithful in the least , won’t be faithful at all

[@eehangsin4463]

Invite fann please

[@tamshanon8917]

現在的年輕人的愛情觀念，真奇怪？其次，不就是不要太早負責任的一種藉口嗎？

[@tenga3tango]

火辣辣的， 汗流浃背的， 最基本人性的行为， 先做后再谈 礼，理， 端庄

[@sy.c7032]

situationship 就是成人家家酒…这是小孩玩起的

[@charmainewongsm]

It’s childish.

[@MrXiaoting]

才不谈这些 本姑娘正正经经的良家妇女不玩这些只有张金标这种才爱玩。我就是真不懂他是这种渣男。我懂鬼才认识 我喜欢正经男人像我

[@bernardgoh3678]

这是有信仰和无信仰还是有区别！

[@MrXiaoting]

是的我这麽好的不该跟这麽坏的一起还有脸留言责怪我骂我真替你们丢脸做错还有脸直怪直骂我

[@MrXiaoting]

以前爱我的都是正经正派的 找爱人我找品德不是看钱事业没用的品第一你完全没问一大堆你们嘴不好眼不好 自己品烂别一直拖累。我品不知多好可惜认识错的人毁我 好人怎会毁我

[@limpieling5531]

真的不能接受🙈

[@exploringapis4495]

You are only young once, why wan to have so many rules to restrain urself.. married alrd then realise missed out on a lot is alrd too late

[@xxl5712]

It is not about only young once. It is about our chinese culture value & responsibility.

[@clesonpoison-d2y]

@@xxl5712 culture values were invented by humans. You only live once why not enjoy and stop caring on how people judge you. When you die no one will remember your so call “values”.

[@dailyvlogwillywilly]

聖经已说了，人越来越败坏。。。

[@748-Fxxx]

同感！因为现在的人越来越没有安全感！太多泛滥观点导致不信任！控制力低的人就害怕做怪胎,反而觉得群体一起犯罪别人就不觉得他有问题！

[@glorytruthlove]

end times now

[@valerichua9369]

don’t kill babies , post abortion trauma is real and life time pain

[@Sagepeh]

天哪我都听蒙了，证明我老了

[@chiaw3nable]

都是朋友的事情，好可憐的朋友全部躺著中槍

[@nana-kt2hk]

人類都~道德淪喪了~也難怪天災人禍一堆~。

[@748-Fxxx]

同感！有心人才能有第六感察觉无形中的连带关系带来蝴蝶效应！

[@glorytruthlove]

sinful lead to judgement

[@Truth008]

The 2 youngster in this program are so wrong in their value!!!

[@Truth008]

The older ones should tell the younger ones that this is wrong! Imagine your daughter telling you that she want to go around fuxxing men she like and see which one qualify for husband!!!!! Very wrong thinking!!! And if i have a son doing such thing to ladies, i would be very enrage and disappointed because he is just taking advantage of them and there is zero respect for ladies. As parents, we really need to accompany our children and teach them right.

[@kadajlim]

Yes guoliang well said~! next generation is following America trash way~ #一见钟情

[@wasabi6507]

No morals these days.. It's saddening

[@JanghoTango]

真的是世风日下 真恶心 🤢🤢🤢🤢

[@JanghoTango]

要是我的女儿 随意随便 随时随地 给男人上 。。。。我要怎么样？ 要是我遇到这样的女人，我要娶吗？

[@mamemo359]

女生别在骗自己了。每次说到很潇洒但是事情发生了，每次都后悔难过。🙄

[@kellove7931]

人越来越败坏

[@eleanorpeh8803]

What omg

[@ombebek5095]

Its just selfish, u guys just wanna happy life for yourself, u want the best life that u could get by trying to date as many as u like. But life is unpredictable, what about if ur partner become sick? U will leave him or her? Or what about if u are the one who sick,other person leave u because they dont want a misery life with u? I dont think u guys searching for spouse,its like a business agreement. 2nd thing u guys will become old person, u will not be handsome or pretty anymore,even u get plastic surgery ,your body will not be the same as u are young. What about if the guy want to end the relationship because he want younger women? Is it okay? 3rd. What about accidentally the girl pregnant. Do you always have self control in any situation (even drunk) to not get pregnant? What about if one of them didnt want the baby? 4. U guys put urself in a high risk situation to get sexual disease from your activities from multiple partner. Dont say u have regular check every month or so, so u will be certain u are healthy. What about other person? Do they check regularly? The thing is virus need time to replicate, not a guarantee if you have negative result that means you dont have the virus, if you get the virus, it is to late to have a mind that u want a happy life. Its because of ur self to get involved in high risk situation that u cant control others what to do with their sexual life. 5. What about if the sex didnt great? I dont think this is just one reason to justify to life together before marriage. I dont think u can really 100% sure u know other even u life with him/her for 10 years or so. What i think that sex is just one of the tick boxes that u want to decide to marry that person. A lot of criteria that u search not just sex. Its like u wanted a perfect human,which u are not perfect either. You want to find perfect person to fulfill all your needs ,not to support each other. All is just about me. Do you think ur marriage will last with that "ego". All i need to say if u guys want to do this, u have to say at the beginning of the date that u guys can date with other person in the same time, not for deep serious realtionship, so it will make clear situation from the beginning, no heart feelings. 2nd u guys have to accept all the risk and blame urself if something bad in your living together habits. There are other way to know your partner. Sadly not everyone is becoming them self when living together. It doesnt always guarantee that u will know that person even living with them for several years

[@Dandelion1199]

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