SoulCalibur/Tekken Shared Universe Timeline | A Line Through Time

[@wrestlerboy500]

I think you kind of missed something important, in that Jack in Tekken 1 is stated to have been made in the former Soviet Union which would mean that Tekken 1 would have to take place after the Soviet Union dissolved which was in like 1991. So the events of the first game would have to have been in the 90s meaning that the Tekken Force raid in Tekken 4 would have been in 2015 (Christmas was on a Friday that year) and that the first Tekken Tournament would have been in 1993. (I'm no math major, but I think that math adds up) Regardless, this video was really well put together.

[@The4thSnake]

Damn, that's a good point.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

if soul claibur and tekekna re the some unvuris then so is sterrt figher as akuma is par tif tekken 7 canon sotry line

[@The4thSnake]

o no i gess ur rite i beter tek this vid down and do it agen

[@Anw4rr10r]

@@The4thSnake lol still, I love this video man, A+ plus for the effort and f*ck those knobs that say story doesn't matter in a fighting game!

[@Anw4rr10r]

Thanks for the love bro, been a fan from early days - since your TT1 remakes and custom prologues, keep up the good graft

[@BelartWright]

I think fighting game stories often overdo it when it comes to the plot. Not everything has to be an end of the world doomsday plot. All you need to do is emphasize character motivations in the backdrop of the tournament. Show us why they want to win so badly and why the tournament prize is so important to them. That's why fighting game stories are so compelling for the first one or two games then quickly get out of hand.

[@Zdiot]

Belart Wright Occult Gaming tekken does a great job with this if I count from tekken 1 to 5 they rest where world dooms day plots and oh my god I remember when I found out that jin was kazuya son that was a mind blown thing at the time especially jin was a very sort of hidden story at the time.

[@HubPie3]

I can see the argument that story doesn't matter in a fighting game because the fighting system is the most important part of it. That being said, a good story can enhance the experience.

[@metagross9092]

Indeed

[@vibezzz7211]

Well I mean most people now a days paly it for the online.

@@vibezzz7211 not totally true. in fact the older fighting games have gotten the more demand for single player/offline couch vs. thus why games like MK and Injustice got so big and why Street Fighter 5 added in offline modes with Arcade when it was essentially online only before, and why Tekken got slammed, despite having the best gameplay in its series, for having no offline. Soul Calibur was kind of at the forefront of Offline content and look at that game, 5 was panned for not having much offline content and 6 went back to how it was during the first 3 games and its gotten far better reviews.

[@vibezzz7211]

@ They half assed the offline modes instead of focusing on the real problem in sf v and tekken well if you dont have ps plus/ xbox live gold there is no reason to play it.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Despite said demand for offline content, all I ever hear people asking for unfortunately is online (specifically ranked) and E-Sports viability.

[@sygyzy0933]

I'm okay with Tekken, Soul Calibur, and Street Fighter taking place in the same universe.

[@sgtwolf7391]

And so dose final fantasy and, The walking dead... Now apparently.

[@metagross9092]

@@sgtwolf7391 you forgot about Fatal Fury/King of Fighters since Geese is in Tekken 7 too

[@sgtwolf7391]

@@metagross9092 That is true.

[@mr.meleeringside]

Don't forget Legends Of Zelda, Star Wars, Assassins Creed, God Of War, And Spawn

[@unclewaluigi8512]

So, street fighter, tekken, final fantasy, the walking dead, fatal fury, king of fighters, samurai showdown, world heroes, strider, final fight, captain commando, fighting ex layer, star wars, assassins creed, spawn, the legend of zelda, the witcher, god of war, that nintendo game with lloyd and soul calibur all take place in the same universe?

[@Chris331Cole]

What if the devil gene is just a Soul Edge fragment embedded in the Mishima family genetic code, and Soul Calibur is embedded in the Kazama family's genetic code and that is the reason they are attracted to each other and why Jin is so powerful since he has both of their blood?

[@jedibattlemasterkos]

Thought the same thing

[@Wing-Zero-si1eu]

Well that sure explains a lot. Meaning the Devil is indeed Inferno reincarnated. While Angel is Elysium reincarnated.

[@Omega-jg4oq]

That would have been Soooo Awesome, now imagine Kazuya or Jin holding the Soul Edge

[@Wing-Zero-si1eu]

@@Omega-jg4oq don’t forget Jun or Asuka holding Soul Calibur, since they both have the Angel Gene.

[@Omega-jg4oq]

@@Wing-Zero-si1eu and Angel Jin basically be like SC4 Siegfried and True Devil Kazuya being SC4 Nightmare except in a whole another level

[@JagoShogun]

And then it turns out the "Devil Gene" is just an offbranch lineage of malfested from Soul Calibur. Also Zasalamels ending in four, noncanon, shows him reincarnate into the future, a nice opportunity for a crossover skit.

[@jedibattlemasterkos]

I definitely want Zasalamel in a Tekken game.

[@SetzarothTV]

It's not a shared universe but it should be. They should have made a piece of Soul Edge related to the devil power or something, instead of Akuma.

[@moonalesca]

Yoshimitsu doesn't name the sword after himself. Each successive wielder of the sword assumes the Yoshimitsu moniker because that's the name of the sword itself.

[@avenged-khaos]

yoshimitsu the first from soul caliber named it

[@Kenmiester2012]

If you ever plan on revisiting the Soul Calibur series, a really interesting development occurred in Cassandra's Soul Chronicle. Read more for spoilers. The OG timeline's Cassandra actually ends up spat in the new timeline, malfested for whatever reason and fights the new timeline's Cassandra in a fit of insanity. She ends up sharing knowledge of her future to her past/alternate-past self, meaning that a whole bunch of stuff that happened to Sophie and the Alexandras may never happen in the new timeline thanks to Cass' intervention. It was also really sad to see the bubbly and energetic Cassandra reduced to a malfested swordswoman swinging her sword at anyone she deemed to be an obstacle in defending Sophie. It's unclear what happens to OG!Cass after this happens, literally vanishing. It's possible that in sharing the information to New!Cass, she back-to-the-futured herself out of existance, she simply died and dissipated like Nightmare in SCV's intro, or if the Astral Chaos took her back.

[@conradojavier7547]

Soul Calibur's Yoahimitsu = Right-Handed Tekken's Yoshimitsu = Left-Handed

[@utoresa5193]

He is a successor

[@metagross9092]

Things can change within 500 years

[@RC99_Productions]

Or it's the same character and he can fight using both hands equally well.

[@metagross9092]

@@RC99_Productions although Soul Calibur 5 isn't highly regarded it shows that Yoshimitsu isn't the same person

[@bytaggingthisiadmitsubisbetter]

It's been confirmed that SC Yoshimitsu, both, are ancestors of tekken's one.

[@louiscypher4996]

I always thought of Mitsurugi as an ancestor to the Mishima's, especially Heihachi. They both want powers they don't have, and despite all the misses, they still want to get it. Although in Heihachi's case he can't, because retcon.

[@rellmonshade3241]

Whoa

[@yakideetv7151]

Kilik demon mode Jin demon mode

[@JH-lb6qf]

I'm still waiting for that Jun Kazama "Wasted Potential"

[@Anw4rr10r]

They wasted her 'plotential' twice now. First T6 then T7 like wtf how stupid can you be?

[@metagross9092]

@@Anw4rr10r that's Japan in a nutshell

[@stanj85]

Where would we be without you to piece this all together? Perfectly concise and easily understandable. Another fantastic video.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Fighting games stories our really confusing in my opinion

[@danielramsey6141]

After the release of SC6 and the Cassandra DLC, it finally reveals that we are in an altered timeline away from the one where SC5 ended, as Cassandra fought her corrupted SC4 counterpart after years of being trapped fighting in the void.

[@chidori7234]

Remember when the Devil Gene was portrayed as more of a sepearate entity before the Hachijo retcon? I think it could be possible that the Devil Gene is basically the spirit of Soul Edge (Inferno) taking form once again, centuries later. I mean it makes sense considering the names "Devil" and "Inferno (meaning Hell)" have strong connotations with each other... Also I just wanna say that Jin and Siegfried are very similar characters. Both of them have internal struggles with their inner demons and both of them committed atrocities. Siegfried went through a redemption arc in III while Jin is likely gonna hvae the same treatment in Tekken 8.

[@chimericalical]

I just wanna say that Tekken's story arc is how I wished a lot of other story arcs happened. But a lot of writers didn't have the balls to replace the main character or have the hero of the story become a villain. Soul Calibur even did the same thing for a bit and made an honest attempt in V to keep up with the torch passing... but they made shitty characters no one likes instead of someone like Jin.

[@MetaKnuxXbeats]

Awesome video. Been looking forward to this one for a while. Can't wait to see what you think of SC6's story. I think it is just a retelling of past events and not some major alteration to the main canon besides the fact that is would take the of SC1 in the timeline but I am not too sure either since I haven't played the story yet. Also, I think Azazel is a being from the Astral Chaos considering in Tekken 6, he said that he is from a "higher plain of existence", plus, I think he is connected to Soul Edge. Either he is some sort of malfested being that is influenced by Soul Edge or is Soul Edge/Inferno that manifested into a new body that is somewhat similar to Night Terror (the first option is probably more likely) since how he is awaken is kind similar to how Soul Edge gets it's power, bloodshed and death and in the intro of Tekken 6, we see Azazel imprisoned with a bunch of crystals impaling Azazel which could possibly be crystals that came from Soul Calibur. I can talk about this crap for hours, I really love this shared universe theory.

[@Xehanort10]

Hearing Snake describe Lars really makes you realise what a Gary Stu Lars is.

[@KBXband]

The same day I decided to start playing Tekken 2 again I looked up this video and I love it.

[@slightlytwistedagain]

Jun like a lot of women simply love their bad boys. :P

[@ALLSTAR5498]

Fighting games with stories tend to fall apart after the 5th/6th installments. Tekken 5 and MK Deadly Alliance/Deception are the best games from this time period. But after doing something new everything just falls apart, stories get unnecessarily complicated, characters are created and thrown into scenarios just for plot. And the timeline starts looking like a crazy straw until the inevitable reboot comes along to try and make sense of things which surprisingly doesn’t end up working (MK9). Instead of rebooting and changing a story; take the games that were restricted by technology and show us how they played out. Imagine actually seeing the actual Mortal Kombat/Tekken tournaments build up to the conclusion we know without a dumb plot change(Kung Lao, and every earth hero dying that isn’t Johnny Cage or Sonya Blade)

[@UnifiedEntity]

That is true. Tekkens story peaked for me at Tekken 4. 5 was ok. But the rest...sigh. And as for Mortal Kombat, I did feel Deception was the peak as well. Although Deadly Alliance started a quick decline.

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

Devil Jin is Soul Edge confirmed

[@sinister2509]

Huh, I always assumed the first two Tekkens took place in the respective years they were released with every other game following suite with the canonical time spans between installments. Never really took into account about the dates and what years they would actually take place in. I always liked the idea of both this and the Soul series taking place in the same universe, and I like seeing other people's takes on it, let's hope Tekken 8 has a somewhat competent story. Also is it wrong for me to think Jin's outfit in 7 looks kinda cool?

[@The4thSnake]

I can't blame you, really. When the series suggests there are 4 martial arts tournaments held in one year by the same corporation, you can't expect anyone to put much thought into the timeframe. And no, that's fine. Jin's always been an appeal to edge and I guess there are just different types of edge to appreciate and despise. I love Devil Jn's design, for instance.

[@jeffcarroll1990shock]

The Devil Gen is Soul Edge. It makes too much sense and it fits perfectly.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

I'm that guy that will buy a fighting game for the story with not interest in getting competitively skilled. So Tekken, MK, and maybe even Soul Caliber after this video really appeal to me.

[@dronaroid]

Woah, I literally JUST subscribed to you with notifications on and this shows up. Good stuff!

[@The4thSnake]

Perfect timing, eh?

[@spyro115]

so akuma in tekken 7 is an alternate akuma, still, if so, that would mean street fighter and tekken's universe coexist in the same realm the difference is that lets say in the tekken franchise, major antagonists from other franchises who would have a big impact on the world and could involve heihachi and other tekken characters such as bison, seth, urien, gill and even rugal from the king of fighters franchise. but because tekken's story follows as is with it's own major antagonists we could say that in the world of tekken, something happened to bison to where he perished earlier at some point of he was just unsuccessful to where his organizational plan "shadaloo" failed for some reason along with the illuminati which didn't give rise either, with the entry with geese howard his existence in tekken and not play a big major role like he did in the fatal fury/king of fighters games could be some alteration where his brother and his brother's kids (terry bogard and andy bogard) died or was left irrelevant to geese to not trigger the main events from those games to where his role in tekken is more solo and smaller. however, with the appearance of akuma theres possibly a chance where ryu may still be alive or could be dead which could question akuma's purpose in living on. his involvement with kazumi where she saved him from "something" could be the result of him going insane with power perhaps while he was undergoing intense training or a certain fight with someone. though, with street fighter x tekken, it's also canon but takes place in an alternate time period where most major antagonists coexist all at once making a big uproar fighting each other cause of a "pandora's box" sent from ingrid - a character from the street fighter franchise. for the most part street fighter and tekken are connected but vary under major event differences to where some major antagonists don't play a big role that would have an effect on either franchise which makes them as a whole as JUST street fighter or JUST tekken.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

so that means in the tekken universe gouken,ryu and ken never existed?

[@spyro115]

they did, though taking from what the4thsnake said where this is probably an alternate akuma where chances are ryu could have been dead probably not giving akuma much of a purpose since he mainly focuses on ryu. though from my theory, because tekken and street fighter is connected ever since street fighter x tekken and the canon tekken storyline including akuma, it's likely possible that major events in street fighter can only happen if heihachi, the mishima zaibatsu and jin wasn't around since the organization such as shadaloo would have gotten involved and attempt to use heihachi and the mishima zaibatsu and perhaps even the G corporation for their gain, especially since when jin took over the mishima zaibatsu waging war on the world, that would have a major impact on shadaloo and bring about some hectic events in street fighter which never occurred in any way. for major events to happen in tekken? same thing as i explained.

[@ChrisGildart]

Great video man. I've been tempted to get back into both of these games lately.

[@TevyaSmolka]

So our soul caliber and tekken timelines connected

[@toyboxstudios7517]

I didn't realize Soul Calibur and Tekken where connected cool

[@The4thSnake]

Then, you're now a smarter person. Congrats.

[@metagross9092]

Both are made by the same developer and share the Yoshimitsu character so one could take a guess that the two are connected in some way

[@mrmeteor64]

I don't know I think BlazBlue did a good job with some character relationships.

[@metagross9092]

You could say that for both of the Arc System fighters in Guilty Gear and Blazblue

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Wait! Akuma is in Tekken 7 and a big part of the Mishima story then wouldn’t that mean that Akuma was Street Fighting while he was waiting for Kazuya and Heihachi to get stronger? (No don’t give me there are two Akumas in different universes)

[@TaigaXsenpai]

that also means that Tekken and Soul calibur share multiverse with Tales multiverse ;)

[@somerandomname75]

15:10 Because "Your Sunset" is clearly appropriate for descriptions of betrayal, revenge, devils, etc.

[@The4thSnake]

I needed something calm, not blaring techno.

[@somerandomname75]

I get where you're coming from, Tekken's soundtrack is usually hit or miss. Tekken 7's especially. Why not tracks like "Moonlit Wilderness" from Tekken 5 or "Emotionless Passion" from Tekken 2? I feel like either could've worked for what you were going for. Edit: Not trying to tell you how to make your videos, just making a few suggestions.

[@The4thSnake]

I don't think MW would fit. Big operatic pieces aren't a great fit. Emotionless Passion probably would have worked better, yes.

[@ivantsarevitch337]

Well during the Lidia promo event there was that one letter that was addressed to Lidia from Heihachi which has 21.01. As its date. And in Tekken 6 Zafina says that the war has being going on for 6 months.

[@DriveTr4in]

Nice video, I've been a long time fan of both games despite the questionable story. On a side note, SC3 had the best soundtrack and "history beckons" is super nostalgic for me. SC4 wasn't as memorable but "gigantesque" was the best, I assume you think so too for putting it in.

[@Don-bw1eu]

When he said heishrio mitsurugi was garbage I flipped

[@mistergremm735]

No No No... you see, Kazuya isn't evil because he's father killed mother without knowing why and being thrown off moutain cliff and understandably was so enraged that he made a deal with a devil sending him in dark path... *He was just born evil plain simple* he was fated to be evil, there is no chance he would have been a good person or even hero.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

it's his mother's fault,which is ironic,she tried to murder her own husband because she feared he and kazuya would destroy the world,not realizing she was the reason for why her family turned out the way they did.

[@The4thSnake]

So, he's basically Sasuke Uchiha then.

[@metagross9092]

@@The4thSnake Sasuke with straight up demon powers only

[@zerofudou5689]

@The Programmer of video games You've misunderstood the confrontation of Heihachi vs Kazumi. At that point Heihachi already overthrew his kind father Jinpachi and sealed him away. After this Kazumi realizes Heihachi needs to be stopped but is conflicted, thus her devil form takes matters into its own hands and due to being unable to control her feelings the devil form takes complete control. Heihachi was always power hungry Kazumi didn't start him down that dark path, he then used Kazumi's devil form as an excuse to get rid of a future threat in Kazuya.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Zelda, Spawn, Star Wars, The Witcher, Gon, God of War, NiER, Assassin's Creed, Tales, Street Fighter, Xenosaga, Final Fantasy, The Walking Dead, Soulcalibur and Tekken all take place in the same universe. *_C A N O N ._*

[@NinjaWorldWarrior16]

Lars didn't beat Kaz, it was a stalemate. I agree that Tekken 6 and 7 story modes were a waste of time, btw. There isn't a really successful fighting game story mode at the moment.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

your channel doesn't have a discussion tab so I'm going to say this. when I said that evil ryu from super street fighter 4 is young gouki i mean't that as a metaphor and I blocked people,because I got tired of trying to explain what I mean. I explained about a hundred times that I know Evil ryu is a what if character,I was trying to say that for super street fighter 4 what if evil ryu's story is actually many years into the past and that it's actually young gouki's story but capcom is using (evil)ryu as a metaphor to portray young gouki. and maybe evil ryu is being used as a symbolic character,maybe symbolizing that gouki was once like ryu before becoming akuma and the real ryu fears he may become like akuma,which is why he continues to reject the satsui no hado I should have been more clear.

[@utoresa5193]

Lars is stronger than kazuya

[@NinjaWorldWarrior16]

@Uto Resa 519: By the end of the game, yes.

[@vibezzz7211]

This video left me more confused than the theory of evolution. Also from the way to describe Namco fighting I'm guessing you dont think they're good.

[@TheSimmr001]

I'm surprised warriors orichi 3 wasnt mentioned for Its cameo of sophita. It's set just after 4 as she was returning home to her child and portrays her quite well

[@tipzdaturtle]

Thanks for this. The entire Tekken story is wasted potential. I've thought so since I was 12.

[@AlonzoTompkins]

The best fighting game plot I’ve seen was “characters fight in tournament.” And that’s it. Lmao

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Wait! if Soul Calibur And Tekken are connected, and going by the guest characters in almost every Soul Calibur game, then wouldn’t that mean Legend of Zelda, Spawn, Tales of Symphonia, Star Wars, God of War, Assassins Creed, Nier, Samurai Showdown, And Witcher takes place in the same universe as Tekken and Soul Calibur? (And No don’t give me the excuse the Akuma In Tekken is not the same Akuma from Street Fighter)

[@tanyaharmon6739]

Those guys are just dlc and THIS akuma is just part of the tekken universe. Nothing more my friend.

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

2:30 honestly jun going missing is complete bullshit,she's dead,I know Harada confirmed it but this is coming from the same guy who stated the original Kuma from tekken 1 and 2 went missing,wouldn't be surprised if harada said king 1 is missing or Armor king 1 never got killed by marduk in a bar brawl.

[@spyro115]

don't be so sure, chances are what if one of the new character DLCs in tekken 7 ends up being jun?

[@metagross9092]

Did he really make that claim?

[@utoresa5193]

@@metagross9092 Jun hasn't been considered dead for years.

[@k9thexv630]

Weren't Jun and Sophitia kicked out of Tekken and Soul Calibur because of the whole "Christmas Cake" phenomenon in Japan where they consider women passed the age of 25 to be too old for marriage or something? Not sure if that's just a rumor of sorts, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt.

[@The4thSnake]

That does seem to be the case, though the threshold in this case is 40. I'm planning a video about this.

[@k9thexv630]

@@The4thSnake Oh cool! That gives me something to look forward to if it hasn't already come out. Feel free to take your time with that project.

[@yousufhellsing581]

17:47 except tekken 4 writer he did a really great job with tekken 4 story and characters stories

[@elchameleon8356]

Hey man I love jins Tekken 7 outfit.btw love the video

[@The4thSnake]

Thanks. Do you prefer this one over the T4 and 5 hoodies?

[@elchameleon8356]

@@The4thSnake no they're better

[@The4thSnake]

Good.

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

While I am aware that the only game that likely shares the same universe with Tekken is Soul Calibur it is still fun to look at all the crossovers and imagine they exist because of a shared universe. With all the crossovers that are stated to be within the same timelines, as in, a character is said to have traveled to the past or future or simply exists in the world with no multiverse plots, this would mean that not only does Tekken exist with Soul Calibur due to Yoshimitsu and Heihachi's story in 2 saying he came to the past, Street Fighter exists in this shared universe as well due to SF X T and T7 (head canon wise, not actual canon). It gets deeper however as another fighting game franchise added into this shared universe, Mortal Kombat. The connecting thread here is Kratos from God of War who in both Soul Calibur and MK is said to have been ripped from time to be brought into the current events of the game, implying he exists in the past of these games and thus connects Soul Calibur (with Tekken and Street Fighter) with MK with God of War also being a part of this universe. Another franchise that can also connect MK with Soul Calibur is Spawn assuming his MK11 story doesn't involve him coming from a different universe like Joker. In Soul Calibur 2 he is also stated to have traveled into the past, not into a different universe like Link and the Starwars characters have so this also implies that Spawn is in the same timeline as Soul Calibur and Tekken. We get some other crossovers as well with Freddy in MK9 who also seems to have always existed in MK and Freddy, Jason and Ashley Williams exist in the same universe as well with Jason also showing up in MK as seemingly a normal part of it and not a different universe sort of deal. Leather Face also exists here and so do Xenomorphs and Predators (I am unsure what their actual species name is) so quite a large amount of horror franchises exist in this massive, hypothetical shared universe. To make it even bigger through the use of a set of crossover fighting games, all of Capcom exists in this shared universe as well as implied by the Marvel vs Capcom series as all the Capcom characters are shown to exist on one specific Earth separate from the Marvel one and Infinite also shows this since Jedah implies that all the Capcom characters come from his universe specifically so Resident Evil, Dead Rising, Megaman, Dark Stalkers, all this also exists within this shared universe and Rival Schools and Final Fight already existed in Street Fighter so they were already a part of it. The one final connection I can come up with that I got wrong in the past (I thought she was a Gundam character for some reason) is Angol Fear in Soul Calibur 4 being the cousin of a character from the Sgt Frog series, Angol Mois. Basically, with all these guest characters and crossover fighting games, this can imply a massive shared universe with dozens of horror characters, demons, whole mythologies of gods, aliens and advanced technology that is destined to one day destroy the planet. I do agree that only Soul Calibur is actually likely canon to Tekken and the rest are just non canon crossovers but its still fun to imagine all these things existing at once. Would be a pretty crazy universe however, especially since a LOOOOT of these series abuse time travel so god knows if they would all even exist in a single timeline if they did share a universe.

[@MatthiasAI]

I loved Tekken 1-4 but after that it felt like it all went down hill... I dont remember if it was 5 or 6 that I had... but I couldnt stand waiting 3minutes in a loading screen to have a 45second fight so ended up giving up on tekken completely. :'(

[@The4thSnake]

I recall 6 was really bad for loading. I don't think 5 was.

[@firzanwolfred6112]

I rather like to simply think that the Hachijo clan had some of its members be afflicted by the Malfested in Soul Calibur which after years forward progressing through the Tekken timeline has now been called the Devil Gene. Let me put my take is possible: Soul Calibur 6 since its the remake in a sense storywise has us following the tale about Soul Edge and Soul Calibur and as the time goes on with people going after Soul Edge for their own reasons be it conquest and all, once was destroyed, its fragments remains as some sort of beacon for disaster and may have left its residual to some people specifically the Hachijo clan, who was afflicted by said Malfestation residue left by Soul Edge and for years, after the Soul Calibur timeline, Heihachi is born. So on and so forth, Heihachi has thirst for world conquest and is denied to inherit the Mishima Zaibatsu and Heihachi staged a coup against Jinpachi after he married Kazumi who somewhere around the time had assisted Akuma maybe saving him from a near death experience or saved his life when he's dying and promised to Kazumi to honor Kazumi's request to have Heihachi and Kazuya killed. Time forward after the first Iron Fist Tournament, Kazuya met Jun Kazama and had a child and now said child is out for blood after Ogre hunted who supposedly killed Jun and went under training with Heihachi and so on so forth. As the "Devil Gene" awakened, it is essentially a reawakening of a fragment of Soul Edge's power that lay dormant within those who still have their bloodline affected by the Malfested, unleashed upon the world once again and presumably that Angel, is probably the race that we see within the Character Creation screen in Soul Calibur 6, who are angelic holy being who desired for peace. Currently, Yoshimitsu within the modern time Tekken hadn't been aware of the Soul Edge curse is still alive under a different brand that being the Devil Gene since it is best to assume that this modern time Yoshimitsu knows about the Soul Edge curse given that his clan has a deep history with said accursed sword. WIth Yoshimitsu unaware the heavy gravitational magnitude threat the Devil Gene posses as it happened last time in the Soul Calibur timeline, it is only a matter of time before Yoshimitsu has to take the mantle and step up to intervene against a curse well known by his clan and people.

[@undyingsoul3949]

You just listed all the events in chronological order. You didn't point to some connection between the two universes. There's nothing like the devil gene having anything to do with Soul Edge's dark and corrupting influence on an individual, which I only use as an example here. I don't claim they share a connection. This way, it's still just speculation whether the two stories take place in the same universe, or not.

[@typolet6883]

So now this begs the question is soul edge's evil seed to blame for the azazel as a creature? Or the devil gene in general... what happened to the lizard folk or the orcs... did the undead die when soul edge was destroyed? if yes, why not the rest of the evil seed? If no where did they go? Is zasalamel still alive in tekken? What about Raphael the vamp? Is it possible for them to join the fight? I'd imagine they'd want to

[@danielramsey6141]

The Lizardmen of Soul Calibur inspired the Conspiracy theory of Alien Lizardmen, when in truth they were slowly hunted into Extinction.

[@Wasdye]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE REALISED IT!

[@The4thSnake]

I think most fans of both realise it.

[@ashchisalleh1454]

Finally someone speaks it. I read many comments but only one or two realize it.

[@qwertyMrJINX]

Sophitia didn't die, she was trapped in Orochi's world.

[@The4thSnake]

Then got sent home and died. :(

[@qwertyMrJINX]

@@The4thSnake They never found a body, they just assumed she died when she never came back.

[@nintyfan1991]

@@qwertyMrJINX So they pulled the same crap with Sophitia like they did Jun Kazama, they went "missing".

[@qwertyMrJINX]

@@nintyfan1991 Probably because they wanted to leave it open for her to come back in a sequel, you know, before SCV flopped, and SCVI ended up rebooting the series. Besides, it's not like we don't know where she is... was... will be...

[@danielcook7975]

The4thSnake it is in fact namco had confirmed that yoshimitsu in soul calibur is ancestor of tekken yoshimitsu so somewhere the SC characters descendants are running around in tekken timeline

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

did you know heihachi mishima appeared in soul calibur 2?

[@danielcook7975]

Yes I did it was non canon but with the yoshimitsu canon connection I am thinking otherwise now

[@shenelljohnson74]

@@danielcook7975 wait wait, so the whole time harada lie, he gave a lore about on how heihachi in tk5 was blown up by Jack squads then heihachi came crashing down on a graveyard Area obviously in tk5, but underneath it, it was portal into the past, then heihachi fought his way out to get back home. Harada that was a dick move man dick move.

[@danielcook7975]

Not sure honestly cause soul calibur 2 was made before tekken 5. No likely it is not canon unless harada and namco say otherwise

[@songoku9348]

I bought SC6 today, haven’t played it yet, but I’m glad you make videos like this, I always thought the two series are connected. The journalist in T7’s story mode briefly mentions the Mishima family’s ancestors and their history. SC need a Mishima ancestor character. That would be dope, he would have a mixture of Jinpachi’s, Heihachi’s and Kazuya’s fighting styles.

[@The4thSnake]

They could just take Heihachi's SCII style as a basis and build from there like with Yoshimitsu.

[@songoku9348]

The4thSnake Yeah, he could use unarmed and armed combat. I guess we’ll just have to pretend Mitsurugi is part of the Mishima bloodline.

[@2rytmc]

Good video. But kazuya making a deal with the devil was retconned. It's now literally just a gene passed down from kazumi and whoever else is in her bloodline. I quite like the thought that the devil gene has got some sort of link to soul edge.

[@utoresa5193]

Well he still arguably made a deal with the devil that was inside him.The whole devil thing in my perspective has both a scientific and spiritual part.I think of it as the force and midiclorians

[@The4thSnake]

Tekken 4 maintained the idea of the devil possessing Kazuya being split in two and half of it possessing Jin, even while introducing the Devil Gene.

[@DoihaDX]

I'd love it if Jun comes back in T8 to stop Jin and Kazuya's fight. Briefly. She would be forced to pick a side or kill one of them. Or even a third option: she absorbs Jin and Kazuya's devils and she becomes an even bigger threat.

[@masaruten5213]

Everything makes sense and fits perfectly.

[@Night-Lord]

So SC6 Cassandra is sort of involve in Unbreakable Soul Cassandra's shenanigans, so I guess Unbreakable Soul is kinda canon, SC6 is a hard reboot , and Cassandra is sort of a time traveler. So SC6 is both a retelling of the old story and a lore reboot. There's also shit like Azwel apparently causing Amy to become Viola in SC5. idk, still haven't finish all the story modes, but it is rife with retcons far as I can tell.

[@MegaUnavalible]

Hey since u do shared universes can you do maybe ubisoft (assassin creed, ghost recon, watch dogs far cry), rockstar ( gta bully rdr and la noire)or rareware( banjo, conker , grabbed by the ghoulies Donkey Kong country and sabreman) shared universes

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

La noire wouldn't fit as being apart of the GTA universe,you notice that cities in gta are los santos,vice city and liberty city? La noire's is obviously Los Angeles and los santos is the gta version of LA. all the gta games have been split in 3 different universes by the Console gen of their games 2D universe:GTA 1,2 and london,3D:GTA 3,VC,San andreas,Liberty city stories and vice city stories. HD:GTA 4/Episodes and GTA online and V. and before you say the universe thing is bullshit,IT'S NOT,rockstar themselves confirmed that.

[@gmannumerouno]

Assassin creed and watch dog makes since but none of the Tom Clancy universe would have connections with either AC or Watch Dog.

[@gmannumerouno]

The Programmer of video games I can agree with the 2D having separate universes but the 3D and HD are set in the same universe because in both 4 and 5 you meet characters from San Andreas and Liberty City and if I'm not mistaking someone makes mention of Tommy Vercetti in gta4.

[@StudentOfKasumi]

Outstanding video I love this information my favorite video you ever uploaded so far ❤️❤️😊

[@The4thSnake]

Awesome. I'm glad you liked it.

[@pn33milan11]

Nice job, man. Soul calibur vi basically retells the events between the end of soul edge and the beginning of sc2, giving every character his spotlight. By now, i haven't noticed any real change from the original lore. At best, there are some points where they expect the fans to know some stuff they don't tell. I won't spoil, even if i don't if it can count as a spoiler XD About tekken story... I too hate they cut down Jun immediately. Asuka is not the same, and she doesn't really affect the story, despite being named Kazama -_- Tekken 6 story is a little hard to believe (the illegitimate child of Heihachi comes out of nowhere and takes the spotlight from Kazuya and Jin, who are presumably fighting for the fate of the world -_- ). I do like Lars, but i think that story was a little unfocused. In tekken 7 they tried to make the origins of the series more clear, introducing Kazumi and giving a new point of view on Heihachi's story. I'm ok with this last point, but i have to admit Kazumi's background was a little stupid... Or at least, as they have explained it, it was -_-

[@GhostFan-ev4di]

and it's apparent that kazumi knows akuma and she saved him once,that also came out of nowhere.

[@pn33milan11]

@@GhostFan-ev4di yeah, Akuma in the story was a little forced, but i don't mind him that much. His contributes to the story might be even forgotten (basically, he fights Heihachi and Kazuya XD ). It's the plan of Kazumi's family i don't understand: "you have a devil gene no one knows inside you... Go befriend Heihachi, our enemy, and maybe marry him and have a child. Only then, you can kill him" XD sure, bring a worse calamity than heihachi to the world, and then try to kill him. nice plan XD in the end, they tried to convince us Kazumi really loved heihachi and tried to kill him just because she was possessed by the devil. But all of that would mean that the part where her family sent her to kill him in the first place should be completely removed. I mean, be consistent. I am not going to forget those details in a 4 hour long story mode -_-

[@UnifiedEntity]

I gave up on the story after Tekken 6. 7 was .....eh....The ending with Jin was sorta worth it.

[@jackalkin6757]

@The4thSnake Imagine if Namco did this; If Heihachi during his time was sent there by a work in progress time machine that went haywire; sending Heihachi to the time of Soul Calibur II? Course, unless there’s a way to get him home earlier, he would have to be canon in Soul Calibur 2, and its sequel till he could be sent back to Tekken possibly by Zasalamel. But then huge changes in the timeline would happen.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Great video on both timelines

[@The4thSnake]

Thanks.

[@TevyaSmolka]

The4thSnake your welcome

[@ThunderJuice]

Just a quick FYI, there are *four* characters who've been in every Tekken: Heihachi, Nina, Paul, Yoshimitsu.

[@gameguy021]

King and Kuma aswell.

[@The4thSnake]

Nina wasn't in 7 until Fated Retribution, I believe.

[@ThunderJuice]

+The4thSnake I'd still count it seeing as that was the definitive (RE: console) release.

[@The4thSnake]

Eh, that's fine.

[@ilcapitano648]

GameGuyZ There have been two seperate Kings and Kumas though. The King and Kuma in 3-onwards are descendents/successors to the ones in 1 and 2 so people don’t tend to count them.

[@linkzellda]

For people who claimed that story doesn't matter, then I will bring my counter-argument. If story doesn't matter, then why game developers spend money and time in writing one?

[@nick2cut]

Well it matters almost as much as gameplay

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Akuma is a guest character in Tekken 7 along with Noctis, Negan, And Geese Howard, And there’s also Gon in Tekken 3, if we include Street Fighter X Tekken then Pac-Man Cole McGrath And Toro And Koro are dlc fighters, wouldn’t that mean that Street fighter, the Final Fantasy series, The Walking Dead franchise, The King of Fighters, Gon, Pac-Man, Infamous, And The Japanese exclusive series Doko Demo Issyo is in the same universe as Tekken? (Again not the whole two different characters of the same character answer)

[@omarmendez0402]

Well, those franchisees were made by the same company (Bandai Namco) after all, so... yeah, it make sense

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

You know you could just forget the other characters for Soul Calibur Legends And Soul Calibur Broken Destiny And just focused on the important stories for Soul Calibur Legends And Soul Calibur Broken Destiny

[@BlytzDragon]

Looking forward to the followup as Tekken 8 got released.

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

Rite on pretty spot on in about few hrs I’m going to my beloved retro game store to get SC6 I’m really excited it looks promising in spite of it being a reboot timeline I have high hopes that it doesn’t go the MK 2011 route it seems like with the disappointment of SC5 they would have had no choice but to discontinue that continuity and perhaps when they get to the events of SC4 they altar the the events timeline or something with SC6 however not so much so as changing everything but going into more depth into the lore that we missed during SC and SC2 era that’s my speculation I guess. It’s pretty kool I personally didn’t mind later post Tekken 6 story myself the problem I see is that a debut introduction of characters like Kazumi or Jinpachi are seemingly significant characters you would expect to have been introudced early on in the franchise.

[@constructivecriticism2568]

I wonder if Soul Edge has anything to do with the Devil Gene? Like what if, before it was destroyed, Soul Edge infected Kazuma’s ancestor with the Devil Gene so that it may live should something go wrong?

[@JEF_W]

So. What do you think of Soulcalibur 6?

[@ashchisalleh1454]

Now you know heihachi good guy. You will feel that all those story will related.and you need find manhua version to learn more about both sf, tk, and sc.

[@lewddude2830]

Kazuya has done less bad shit compared to Heichachi and Jin yet he's the bad guy?

[@The4thSnake]

Kinda.

[@TitusPrime1995]

I always thought tekken 3 took place around 2017

[@housinengi9512]

thank god soul calibur 6 didnt have time travel or took that spinoff for the new timeline. but did the classic the store been retold route like it been said in a different way

[@LeesDeeds]

Well it did Sorta

[@lordhades598]

I always wondered if their both the same universe shouldn't soul edge and soul calibur be somewhere in the Tekken universe unless maybe they were destroyed before this. Maybe they could make the devil gene as a result of an ancient Michima ancestor possessing soul edge and maybe altering their dna or something to tie in both games. Idk how u could tie in Street Fighter in the same universe as Tekken and Soul Calibur

[@AndrewSun15]

I love Tekken this guy is salty

[@mrwizzardknight]

Yay! 😃 Awesome video matey! ;) Now can you please tell me how and why you think Tekken is more popular than his younger brother Soul Calibur? 🤔 And it IS! 😃 Arcade Cloud did a video telling you everything about Tekken’s lore up to Tekken 6 but they did not for Soul Calibur, at least not yet! Lore, that tells you all about much more fandoms’ lores in just one minute.

[@lonelywolf5659]

Tactically Paul beat ogre and then Jin came in beat him again and killed him.

[@alexsantos3100]

Is the Time Crisis series, Ace Combat series, Ninja Assault, and Ridge racer series related to Tekken and SC?

[@The4thSnake]

No.

[@ilcapitano648]

While we’re here, what’re your thoughts on Soul Calibur 6 so far? Assuming you’ve already played it.

[@The4thSnake]

It's good. The story mode presentation's a bit underwhelming, though.

[@ilcapitano648]

The4thSnake Eh, what with the game supposedly being on a tight budget, I can live with it. I feel like there’s a lot of love that’s gone into the story. Even if the main story was slightly underwhelming for me I’m loving each character’s individual episodes.

[@koricthegreatwashedupfight9088]

Fighting game lore is best handled by head canon. I don’t know much about the actual story but I play a little bit of story mode, read/ win quotes and fight dialogue. It’s all nice cliff notes but the actual actual story is never really, maximized potential.

[@metagross9092]

Seeing this video is well worth the wait

[@The4thSnake]

Awesome.

[@johnpaulgontor2362]

.Jin and Lars are gathering allies to stop Kazuya and G-Corp from taking over the world .It explains the ancient history of the Mishimas,Kazamas, and Hachijous .they finally found a cure for the Devil Gene .the final battle between Jin and Kazuya .Jin defeat Kazuya,but didn't kill him because they are cured of the Devil Gene .the new enemies are the Hachijou clan .Jun Kazama is alive .6 newcomers are coming to the game .9 characters are returning

[@alexsantos3100]

Tekken 3 is based in 2010's and beyond is based further in the future just at the technology

[@brucenatelee]

I hate it when people try to make cameos come off as canon. Yes, I love cameos like the ones Mortal Kombat does, but that doesn't mean they are officially part of the plot, thus appear in multiple games for years. They are meant to be treats to enjoy, not fuck plots up.

[@jbbelenkokoro2673]

Have you played Cassandra’s story in Soulcalibur VI? It’s surprising really good.

[@The4thSnake]

I have. It's good.

[@jbbelenkokoro2673]

The4thSnake will you do a review of Soulcalibur VI’s story and what it does differently with the lore?

[@The4thSnake]

@@jbbelenkokoro2673 I'm not as familiar with a lot of the small details of SC as I am with MK.

[@jbbelenkokoro2673]

The4thSnake I understand. I’m pretty familiar with all of the details since I have been a fan since I was a child. With some of the big reveals from SCVI’s story, I’m excited to see what is going to happen in future SC titles.

[@TheRunningComedian]

If fighting games don't need stories then all the fighters should look identical and have the same fighting style. Because many beloved fighting game characters look and fight because of their story.

[@ilyamuromez6412]

Oh btw since we know SC 1 to 5 do happen before 6 according to Cassandras story mode and Lidias Letter for her dlc promotion states 22nd of January o wpnder how much this holds up. Also dbg being canon makes no sense because the 16 to 18 year old Anna being an Tekken Force soldier makes no sense.

[@tomhibbert6486]

So you gonna review tekken 7 telling us why it's bad then doing wasted potential episode now you would fix it

[@The4thSnake]

Most likely.

[@javimontana817]

I think the devil gene comes from soul edge

[@whiffunderscore703]

Wait Kazuya doesn't make a deal with the devil. I know thats what they said in the beginning but it is later clarified that the Devil Gene is a genetic disorder and that Kazuya made no deal at all

[@The4thSnake]

Tekken 4 still made it seem like Devil was a separate entity.

[@whiffunderscore703]

@@The4thSnake I think we can both agree that the tiny details in tekken make absolutely no sense since bandai just change their minds whenever they want

[@theonewhowatches869]

Other than castlevania, I would love to see you try to put together a timeline for the Mario series

[@The4thSnake]

People would have to pay me to do Mario.

[@mr.marmar7690]

I need that Jun video,I first played her in the firsr tag and she became my main.But since shes not in the cannin games rn I use Asuka.Just a thought but they should reboot Tekken,it has so much more potential.