Dream Theory was NEVER Canon | FNAF Lore Theory

[@stardayze6465]

If dream theory was canon, then purple guy's entire contribution to the plot was putting that performer's hat on.

[@alex.g7317]

Dear god…

[@FoxyGuyHere]

Except that Purple guy is in more than just dream theory games.

[@ThaCataBoi]

@@FoxyGuyHerebut Purple Guy is only a murderer in FNAF 2 and 3.

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@ThaCataBoi But he is a character in every single game

[@seerified]

But what does he do in the other games irl if dream theory was canon? @FoxyGuyHere

[@naidr0x]

24:40 I think the main reason for 'phone guy is purple guy' is that one sprite where he's holding a still-unidentified phone-shaped object

[@Darkrin]

Phone guy once said that Foxy is his favorite animatronic and we have minigame where purple guy is standing near pirate cove and smiling, so some people put this two fact together and assume that they are the same character.

[@dantdmfangamingrich9802]

I thought the “phone” Purple Guy has was his hand

[@Artician]

@@dantdmfangamingrich9802 It is

[@Alkeeros]

Well, and at the time of FNAF 2 we had.... 3 characters. A purple man, the night guard, phone guy. No one else has a personality or what seems to be the ability to implement long term plans. Phone guy knowing perhaps more than he lets on, the "villain was someone you've previously met." It all vaguely fits. It was the best theory one could make from a game with maybe 6 pieces to out together, and some were so obvious it's like "yeah... of course, the game with death and spirits has possession."

[@atanaZion]

@@Alkeeros Ikr, ppl wanna talk about how "shit" these theories were while all you had to work on what a paragraph of lore

[@Layanor]

Matpat debunked dream theory a week later. He was working on dream theory and non-dream theory at the same time because the community was split between them so he made an argument as best as he could for both . He was convinced that Scott intended dream theory but Matpat didn't like it. I do think Scott seen the community split in two after he made comments on his website and decided he couldn't open the box because his version was vastly different. I don't remember alarm clocks in hospitals in 1983, but the alarm clock location in fnaf 4 sure isnt at a level for a child to reach.

[@xHavki]

Something said by Scott can be easily misunderstood by the mind of a theorist.

[@andreazevedo87]

GiBi saying CC is so engraved in my brain

[@TheCheezwiz1]

for real Cici is now the canonical name for me

[@Magnusmm88-wp4it]

I used to call my sister Sissy. And every time when I hear him say CC I think of that.

[@alex.g7317]

CC stand for Crying Child?

[@FilthyTea]

@@alex.g7317no, it stands for Chris Chan

[@ItzCici547]

did someone say cici? lol. hearing my name everytime someone talks about the crying child is great @@TheCheezwiz1

[@panther99299]

I just think that it's Mike dreaming about the events because the guilt from him living in the same house as a terrible serial killer is catching up to him, and now he connects the evil animatronics to his childhood home, therefore bringing nightmares.

[@FookMi69]

Is it bad that I think this is a more interesting interpretation than what the entire community believes?

[@panther99299]

@@FookMi69 nah lmao. It's just a take that isn't based in ooga booga clues that have no correlation to eachother, but is based on the themes of the game, am I stupid? Thanks for the compliment!

[@FookMi69]

@@panther99299 Is there a lore reason why you posted this? Are you stupid?

[@phoneguy4637]

bs. then why does CC never appear during the main nights? and why do we experience the flashbacks in the minigames from CC's point of view?

[@panther99299]

@@phoneguy4637 probably cuz it's a game? Like why so pressed big dawg

[@bluestar_kun]

I think the reason nobody went "hey what if we play as FoxyBro" is because the minigames for FnaF 4 set CC as the protagonist, and gives ZERO reason to expect the games to actually have several protagonists. The problem with the box now is that the insides have changed at least a few times by now and if I'm not wrong FnaF 3 was meant to end the story but more was made to appease the "jumpscares are bad" people, meaning if anything the series needs to be looked at as if there are several ending and timelines based on what game was meant to be the end

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

Except literally none of the other games had the minigames star the same people. And again there's all the clues, the fact the setup matches FNAF 1(CC was never at that location), the fact the nights continue after CC dies(and he dies one night after the bite, there isn't time for 8 nights of Coma Dreams, and even if you ignore that he dies on Night 6 in game yet there's a 7 and 8), the Plushtrap minigame matching FNAF 3, the fact WHOEVER WE ARE PLAYING AS HAS HEARD THE N1 PHONE GUY TAPE. WHO ELSE?

[@Handlelesswithme]

Also because the nightmares don’t take place in the house. They take place in the hospital hence the flowers, vase, IV bag, pills And why the house looks different then the minigame house

[@bluestar_kun]

@nathanielgarza9198 that's... not a valid point. If the character is meant to be seeing thimgs that arent real the house isnt valid proof. If anything the simplicity makes the dream theory more valid since it's been proven dreams can't contain complicated data like proper writting, and I assume architecture is complicated enough to be in that bag too

[@Handlelesswithme]

@@bluestar_kun and no to say everything is a dream does not nullify evidence of what the dream connects to I meant why we are not Foxybro If we were Foxybro then seeing the pills and IV bag would not make sense since we are not the ones in the hospital. We could disprove dream theory by trying to fit in the night 6 Minigame. Also by the same logic nothing that happens in the main gameplay doesn’t actually matter

[@Takejiro24]

​@@Handlelesswithme It's implied Michael was by C.C.'s hospital bedside since his final lines of FNAF 4 are "Can you hear me? I don't know if you can hear me? I'm sorry."

[@Wonderhal1]

I’m pretty sure Scot said in the dawko interview or somewhere else that fnaf 3 and 4 where intended to be the end he may have had ideas of what he would do in other games but I don’t think he really intend to continue the series as much as he did

[@cherrylimeali4393]

Well yes. Remember that the first game only exists because he was about to give up programming, and it's continuously obvious that he's been making it up as he goes.

[@SuperDababy2]

He probably only made Sister Location because everyone started believing in dream theory. The box staying locked means we missed something at the time and dream theory never really held up.

[@afro025]

@@SuperDababy2 the box stayed locked was because the contents of the box itself kept changing, and it soon became an irrelevant plotpoint. it very well could've solidified dream theory, but changed it after seeing the backlash to it and made sister location, thus changing the contents of the box

[@SuperDababy2]

@@afro025 I remember the reasoning being that the contents of the box wouldn't make the fanbase happy. Also Scott said that he has made only 1 notable retcon throughout the series. In his interview with Dawko, he also said that he had plan to and had a rough idea of the future games up to sister location right after making either FNaF1 or 2 (pretty sure it was 1). It really seems that the box would have held something like Elizabeth's body or something linking Mike and the Foxy brother. Whatever it was, it was big enough to angry the community but also something that we COULD have seen at that time. Scott tends to really point things we missed out in his next game, so Michael being Mike and the Foxy bro being literally told to us in sister location was probably because we missed it.

[@afro025]

​@@SuperDababy2 no...? scott said that he planned on fnaf 3 being the final game, but people complained it wasn't scary enough, and thus it led to him creating fnaf 4. fnaf 4 was literally being advertised as "the last chapter", and we all know that was wrong. scott clearly didn't have anything planned up to sister location, especially when the first game was created. hell, he didn't even think fnaf 1 would be as successful as it was. if it weren't for the game blowing up in 2014, we would've never gotten any future entries. like they straight up say this in the interview; Dawko: So, when you were making Five Nights at Freddy's 1, were you already planning on making a sequel, or any other ideas that were flinging in your head on what to do? Scott: Um, I definitely left a lot of things open-ended, you know, in case I wanted to expand upon them later. I mean, obviously, like, you know, I did not have the entire story planned out, as I know there's much debate about that on the subreddit, like, oh you know, some kind of mad genius that had, you know, seven games planned out from the beginning. No, I didn't. scott only left the story open ended, but he never had any actual plans regarding the story. he made that up as he went along.

[@RedBookBag420]

In your 9 hour video (which was amazing!) you mentioned how the story is told in trilogies, so you didn’t want to add security breach or help wanted into the video because that trilogies story isn’t finished, but now we have help wanted 2 to finish the trilogy so I was wondering if we would ever get a video similar to the 9 hour video but just for the last 3 that weren’t covered!!

[@HorrorHomestead]

I'm currently reading all the Fazbear frights book, and intend to make a series about them as I go. Same with the tales from the pizzaplex books. As far as this trilogy of games goes, I don't think we'll truly be able to see what's going on until this "phase" of story telling is over. Ruin ended on a cliff hanger and there's a lot of hints toward some sort of carnival themed game. I think we need to wait to see where they're going with the story before claiming to "solve" security breach.

[@porcelainchips6061]

Ghosts in the Arcade Machine - When FNAF2 came out, I voiced an opinion no one else around me seemed to shared; I thought the 8-bit cutscenes/minigames were the recorded memories of the animatronics. That, because this whole thing is a video game, we are playing through them but that they represent a record of events; like "Save them / You can't" is very literal, "Foxy Go Go Go" is literally something burned into the circuit board-memory of the Foxy animatronic. Eventually more games came out and they clearly could not have been tired to memory stored on physical hardware; FNAF3 is all about the animatronics no longer existing except for one. But in the FNAF3 cutscenes there are three arcade cabinets shown in that safe room where Afton is confronted by the ghosts. The cutscene then clearly shows the ghosts fade out after he's springtrapped... Now... Where did they go? The reason why they are "out" is because the animatronics where disassembled; they were haunting the machines. But now those machines were gone, so what do they attach themselves to now? Why are their three arcade cabinets in that cutscene and we are specifically shown the ghosts fading away (when, narratively, they haven't passed on because we have to help them do that). Is it possible Scott was trying to say that the ghosts could possess the arcade machines, like that possessed the animatronics? Logically it kind of makes sense; this is a world where metal can harbor spirits and most computer components include metal parts; it's very "cyberpunk" for the ghosts to then inhabit the digital space, but if they can exist in the materials a computer is composed of, why can't they then persist inside the "world" of the arcade machine? It makes me think FNAF3 is about playing those arcade cabinets to "find" the spirits and rouse them from hibernating inside the games. You have to go out of bounds and glitch the games to find them, like they are always there but sort of imbedded, hiding. I always felt like the cake you give them is the invitation to "come out" from their digital corners and come together. Happiest Day is you've found them all, so they are not sad and alone; so they can now all leave together. I also think that's why our "player character" is wearing the puppet mask; the Puppet isn't here, in the FNAF3 game. The puppet is somewhere else; but our game-avatar is wearing the puppet mask because we are performing the role of the puppet; we are guiding the spirts to move on. And that, I think, is a bit of visual story telling a lot of people missed; the puppet was never there, but the visual of the puppet; it's mask, represents it's role and not the literal character. I think it was an attempt to connect the idea of us (Mike) and the Puppet sharing similar goals.

[@Halfendymion]

Man that makes a lotta sense

[@monothephantom]

That's actually a really cool theory. It's surprising how people tend to fall into such one track mind about this series that I haven't even come across this take before. I want more people to speak out about these subtleties. Even if it isn't 'canon' it's still awesome to hear more variety in interpretation.

[@twistanturnu529]

I love this theory so much I wanna print it on a shirt

[@ComicLighthouse]

​@@twistanturnu529same tbh

[@RlrOfWorldzYT]

Hmmmm I like it

[@herretik2287]

Even if it was meant to be canon, 90% of all "it was just a dream" theories are pretty lame. The FNAF one is probably the least worst one, but still.

[@softreyna]

Yeah, it's just saying "none of these games really happened!" which is undeniably true and not particularly interesting

[@ajflink]

The only games where all or large portions of the game is just a dream where it does not feel lazy are OMORI and Yumi Niiki. In my opinion, resorting "It's all a dream." is usually a sign of bad planning and direction or you're J.J. Abrams.

[@powerrangerturbo1]

​@@ajflink And The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening has a good one. Mainly due to the fact that it 1. Takes place in someone else's dream and 2. Escaping and ending the dream means likely ending the existence of all the characters you meet in the game, so the stakes are still there.

[@zgmfx-09a]

Hey gibbo, I don't think matpat is suggesting the kid is recovering at home and having nightmares of fnaf 1. I think he WAS suggesting that he's having those dreams before he gets bitten. Not really important just had to point it out, it's at 7:40

[@HorrorHomestead]

Very good point. I hadn't interpreted it that way but that does make his statements in that section make more sense. I have an issue with that theory, that being that according to the mini game he didn't hear about people getting stuffed in suits or plush trap or balloon boy until a few days before he got bitten, do he'd have to dream all of FNAF 1-3 in like 2 nights. But that's assuming the mini games are supposed to be very literal, which I don't. It's something to think about.

[@zgmfx-09a]

@@HorrorHomesteadNo I mean it's a flawed theory(matpat) I'm just nitpicking since I hold you to a very high standard in regards to presentation, unlike him sadly But then again he doesn't write his own videos

[@atanaZion]

@@HorrorHomestead why you think he haven't hear those beforehand?

[@NewPhone-ms5dv]

okay, counter argument time: you're being hyper-technical without understanding context and meaning. You don't have a real tangible non convoluted answer to the missing beak because dream theory is absolutely the *simplest* answer for it, especially with the information provided at the time. Not necessarily all dream trappings, but the idea that the recurring images of a child's POV have culminated into a nightmare. Pointing at a check date kinda misses the forest for the trees and also hits on something hippo was talking about. This is everywhere in FNAF4 and misses the mark because on a fundamental level FNAF 4 is literally a game in a child's bedroom where he is seeing anatomically and physically impossible monster designs. It's meant to pick at the twisted perspective of children. Fundamentally, these are nightmares. These games stand on their own and even if Scott had a vague idea for the franchise, he made these individually to stand on their own first and as sequels later. Even if there was a literal value to the other games, I don't think scott ever found the theory ridiculous. If he did, he absolutely blamed himself for it, not matpat. I think your big point I agree with is Michael being the security guard immediately, I think this was the big miss nobody saw at the time but that plot point also doesn't really have information within fnaf 4, and isn't really relevant to that game's understanding (indeed, this was the game we still understand the least about). In my point of view, your citations of cawthon's dismissal of dream theory also ignore interviews where he stated he realized the audience didn't like how fnaf 4 resolved things (indicating that dream theory was at least an acceptable interpretation to him) and also fails to realize that literally including dream theory in the movie is not about cancelling what was before but rather internalizing the popular interpretation into a different and new canon. I don't think FNAF 4 always being an experiment for Michael was realized until sister location, and I don't think scott had that fully planned until he got to it. That was likely a neat retcon but also robs the details of the game's own meaning, which is the problem of dismissing dream theory. I see these comments and they are quick to be like "what was it all for if it was just a dream", and there's plenty of stories where dreams are much more than this statement gives them credit for. Dreams are memories, they're reality (rather, they reflect real feelings and thoughts that you bury), they're imagination rolled into a big thing you call a story. All stories are dreams when you get down to it, which is why many feel like a cop out and the "easy" way, but the secret to making them satisfying is actively incorporating them thematically. Which FNAF 4 did and it doesn't ruin anything. FNAF 4's dream stuff is not meant to pretend nothing matters, it's instead meant to reflect an essential aspect of the entire franchise: the mascots can be scary to kids.It plays on those ideas in a way the other games couldn't as a security guard. A security guard shouldn't actually be scared by a chuckie cheese or a showbiz pizza bear. Kids get scared of those, and that affects them down the line, being the cause for nightmares. Hippo's scott mouthpiece also says that he realized that when orville was trying to look for a meaning in a story and he said there wasn't any, hippo realized that the very telling of a story gestures to the audience to *find* meaning, and hippo takes the blame for it. This either means that scott acknowledges he didn't have much of a plan and when people started lore hunting he eventually realized by only having these little shreds that he was begging them to piece it together, The breadcrumb story better fits that. In which breadcrumbs and the whole situation is misinterpreted because of a communication error. The quote I'm referring to at large is "well, I didn't really have any story to tell. In-in hindsight, I-I probably just misspoke when I said that I had a story. I think it would have been better to tell Orville that I wanted to tell him something, rather than tell him I had a story. But y'know, even then, that might have put too much importance on the whole thing. Either way, it was quite a nice day. I remember... I remember that we were drinking tea.”" Thematic messages allow scott to convey what he wants to say to the player, but players want to understand a full coherent story, which Mr. Hippo didn't have. Eventually, they pieced one together and made one but at the sacrifice to the individual games themselves.

[@hugubugu9100]

7:38 what? no matpat's theory purposes that the 3 games are just regular nightmares BEFORE the crying child gets bit. and then fnaf 4 is after he gets bit

[@skyeote5982]

Glad someone said it

[@sillygoose9791]

Scott Cawthon is gen Z George Lucas. He will never be fully understood, and many will continue to believe they could have done better than him.

[@TactlessC]

the difference is nothing in Star Wars is really as rife for mystery as FNAF. George is just weird, Scott is a conspiracy board that likes spooky robots.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

And most of them will be right.

[@BeyondTrash-xe1vs]

​@@TactlessC"George is just weird," really? I have always admired his world building, especially how standardized he kept the universe over different mediums.

[@TactlessC]

@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs You can acknowledge the good parts about Star Wars when George held the reigns and also acknowledge that he's kinda fuckin weird. Even his best friends and colleagues will tell you that.

[@perfect-o-lini]

True, but a better comparison would be he's gen z's Tetsuya Nomura, creator and writer of Kingdom Hearts, since he is all that but with mystery being a big focus in the writing. Which, surprisingly, Mat Pat never really seemed to cover during his time on YT, except when it was convent to the algorithm that one time.

[@virgomercury]

such an awesome theory. but why…. why did scott ask WHY the tiny toy chica would missing her beak…. it implies that there not only is a definitive reason but that said reason has been solvable (at least in scott’s mind) since fnaf 4….. isn’t nightmare BB canon from fnaf 4?

[@Takejiro24]

He is but I could not tell you what that means for the larger story much less in the context of Mike having the nightmares 🫠

[@dredgengam4610]

​@@Takejiro24 he wasn't, not in the original Halloween update. He became canon later on in the series, like the nightmare puppet

[@Takejiro24]

So, I just found an answer from Reddit that could explain Nightmare Balloon Boy: "Nightmare Balloon Boy is added in the base game instead of the DLC, and unlike the others he doesn’t actually replace any characters If there’s a reason why him as opposed to others, it’s probably that Nightmare BB existing firmly sets the nightmares after FNaF 2. We know both Mangle (or at least a white/pink foxy) and the Puppet existed in 1983, so Nightmare BB is the only one whose existence sets the gameplay after that, since we never see BB chronologically until 1987" This makes sense considering we don't actually see BB in the FNAF 4 mini games; just a kid who looks like him.

[@Takejiro24]

For the tiny toy Chica, the only thing (2 things?) I can think of is that Scott was pointing out that these are the originals of the Toy Animatronics (making their names actually make sense) and to make a connection to FNAF 3's Happiest Day (MemoryVictim/ShatterVictim theories).

[@saeklin]

He was trying to hint that the FNAF4 minigame was a limbo that overlaps the reality of FNAF2. And in FNAF World he further spelled it out with the whole "what happens here is reflected out there." All this implies that the children in this limbo don't realize they are affecting the real world. FNAF2 seems to take place just after the Bite that happens in the FNAF4 minigame. The phone guy calls were made last week, just like in the first game. But the BiteVictim is stuck on a loop and that's what the plush Fredbear is trying to help him get out of. Notice that one of the other kids says "aren't you that kid that's always hiding under the table?" This implies the other kids in limbo see BiteVictim doing these repetitive things. Oh and Mangle shouldn't be a real life toy for children so why the heck would there be one in that bedroom. That's another proof that the minigame is a limbo reflection of the FNAF2 reality.

[@Hapsetshut]

To be fair about the hospital beep, all the machines in the hospital pretty much make that sound anyway so that could be something. I don't know why MatPat would have phrased it that way though

[@prophetedubaroque5136]

For me it was just a way to show that cc changed place were he slept but due to the lack of clock in an hospital Scott used a modern clock to contrast. But this is just pure speculation

[@fromgreattobrilliant922]

I never believed dream theory due to how ridiculous the clock evidence was. Like, what kind of twisted doctor would put an alarm clock in the hospital room of a coma patient? Seems like sick joke

[@BonusDuckie]

To me MatPat missed the mark on that tiny detail. In a hospital there's no alarm clocks BUT there are a lot of beeps. If he said it was the kid waking up and hearing the beeps, there would be no nitpick and everything would still fit

[@hellkaiser1366]

My doctor...thats not a joke,my doctor has a alarm clock in the hospital room...I never actually though about it much but he has one

[@narwhalz968]

I remember watching that video and going “oh this guy is an idiot” back when I didn’t realize matpat was like the head of the lore community

[@Handlelesswithme]

Also the night 6 minigame would not make sense

[@atanaZion]

An alarm set in the hour that the patient need to take his meds,maybe?

[@enchantedtorch]

If you say people were meant to question if the brother was the previous security guards, before Sister Location spelled it out, what hints/evidence existed in the first 4 games to lead people to that idea? FNAF 1's "IT'S ME" fits but I can't think of anything else, or how that really connects all the games by itself.

[@Markcrazeer]

i have problems with its me. in the ar teasers its me was connected with C witch could stand for crying child but that is dumb, because the more reasonable solution to that is cassidy. the problem with cassidy is why is (s)he so important? why do we have one child with only a name and zero backstory that is the most important to the lore, and an important to the lore kid with only a backstory and no name? both in the same animatronic. why isnt cc cassidy? why is cassidy the vengefull spirit? why is cassidy the one you should not have killed? we only know whsat they are not why.

[@rudithedudi1757]

This hinges on Foxybro being the FNaF 4 dreamer, but I think the biggest hints are the reversed Phone Guy call in the background ambience of fnaf 4 + the games' overall parallels to fnaf 1's gameplay (bonnie left, chica right, foxy has to be checked on, nm fredbear/nightmare being like golden freddy)

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

The Phone Guy Audio in the background, the fact that the gameplay mirrors FNAF 1 suggests he was there, the fan and phone indicating our dreamer has been in an office, Fun with Plushtrap mirroring FNAF 3 suggesting he was there, the Nightmares(mainly Chica and Bonnie) having elements from the Withereds and Nightmare BB being canon suggests our dreamer was also there too. CC was not a guard at all these locations, but whoever our dreamer is was. But our dreamer was also clearly there to see CC at the hospital(if he was in the coma, CC never would have seen the IV or Pills or Flowers...but someone visiting would have) and Nightmare implies he knew of the event. But the only person who would have such strong feelings besides the victim is...the perputrator

[@perfectpasta3155]

in all fairness, I don’t think Scott responding directly, especially during such a high profile livestream, helped much. He was likely already aware how much the community picked apart every little word he said regarding FNAF and it’s lore.

[@LionPKrono]

The problem with your arguments is that is confirmed that 1-3 was a closed story (stated by scott in the intervew with dawko), 1-4 was also a closed story confirmed by scott after releasing TSE, FNaF 1-World was a closed story confirmed by the fact that it was changed to have a hint to SL AFTER it's release in Update #2. I know that Scott said that he had aready a couple of things in mind for the next games, but it's clear that Scott had already closed the timeline over 3 times when SL came out. There are currently 5 timelines of FNaF (only counting games) * FNaF 1-3 Timeline (i call it the classic timeline) * FNaF 1-4 Timeline (i call it the golden era timeline) * FNaF 1-World Timeline (i call it the original timeline) * FNaF 1-6 Timeline (i call it the pre-current timeline) * FNaF 1-Present Timeline (it's the current timeline) UCN isn't part of 1-6 timeline since when it was released Scott had already planned HW1, AR, Frights (we know this thanks to the infamus post where he talks about FNaF Into Madness, the "VR" game and the "AR" game) and Tales (we know this last thing thanks to the fact that FF was expanded after book 5 most likely because of the delay of FNaF SB). So bassicly MatPat did had the pieces in place, but Dream Theory was the result of not putting them together correctly and see stuff like Easter Eggs, when in FNaF 1-4 there aren't lots of easter eggs or there aren't easter eggs at all, all of that were pieces to solve the lore. In my opinion the fact that there are 5 timelines of the games just makes people have wrong timelines, for example, we can't say that Charlie died after the MCI since in 6 is implied that her death caused all of the other murderers "A wound first inflected on me, one that i let bleed out to cause all of this" or the fact that since 2 is clear that she died first.

[@LionPKrono]

Also, Dream Theory would be a retcon, so it can't be true.

[@Handlelesswithme]

Also dream theory severely leaves out the night 6 minigame Nothing there would make any sense if that was the case

[@eMorphized]

My theory is that the real reason for this is that each game changes the canon of the previous games. The canon ending of the latest game is the good ending, but the canon ending of every game before it is the bad ending. Because that's the only way the spirits could still be around and intact.

[@atanaZion]

@@LionPKrono everything post fnaf 3 is a retcon, if you don't include the intirety of fnaf 2

[@yeethaw5816]

after seeing all the people shitting on matpat on twitter for years it's genuinely surprising and heartwarming how beloved matpat actually is, how many people admire him because that shows that I was not alone in my appreciation of the guy. he is the most authentic og youtuber on the platform and it's so sad to see him go. at least we can all see how people really felt about him and all the shittalkers are being drowned out by appreciative fans who want the best for ol grandpat

[@MZ-sr2xr]

I don't really know what you mean by that. Most "hatred" always started with: "I'm sure he's a nice guy but... " with it concluding somewhere along the lines of: "he should have known better" Like yeah but I'll still miss him

[@yeethaw5816]

@@MZ-sr2xr im talking about the ones posting ooc screenshots of his theories and especially the twitter account 'summarizing' his theories, "i watched game theory so you don't have to"

[@Yui-999]

he's a nice guy afterall, I'm sure people didn't mean harm and were just shitting on shitty theories, not him

[@cherrylimeali4393]

Well, some people genuinely don't like him the person.

[@frenchfries2998]

@@Yui-999a lot of people do hate him though and like to try and twist his words and actions to make him look like a horrible person. Like years ago when he made a theory on a Charachters gender and everyone called him transphobic

[@BunBit_]

This is a pretty decent video! I have many small niggles, but my main issue is that you essentially both claim that FNAF 4 was entirely solveable at the time of 4 and simultaenously contained several hints and easter eggs that were entirely unsolveable at the time of the game's release. While whatever Arcade Wackiness you might come up with to explain the missing beak on toy chica might be true now, FNAF had not actually dealt with video games interacting with the real world like this. Same goes for Mike being Foxybro: While entirely sensible today, this was not a conclusion there was any true evidence for at the time of FNAF 4.

[@thefonzpart]

The minigame freeing the spirits of the children with the birthday party is a pretty big thing

[@BunBit_]

@@thefonzpart how so?

[@timeturnerdust6093]

yeah i reckon scott thought that it was reasonably solvable, but because he was the one with all the pieces he didn't add enough for us to figure it out for ourselves

[@WatchThisSpace415]

You know I've been waiting for a video like this for a while now, it's been a long time since the last dream theory debunk. And you can see that with how many people view this theory as/was canon nowadays. It's fascinating to me just how close the livestream got to Miketheory with the security guard thing though especially with stuff like the FNAF 3 guard having to experience FNAF 1 and 2 due to the phantoms designs. But for clarification at 1:54:57 they run through all the evidence that they think is from Scott and Dawko dismissed that specific comment about security guards being written by Scott and I think that's ultimately what made Matpat fully pivot to dream theory. Not saying Dawko was wrong, as there's no reason for Scott to bring up the security guards when Matpat was already talking about it but I think that and the livestream crashes are what stopped us solving the story until a year down the road.

[@eow4317]

Weird, in the same Dawko interview Scott said that it was supposed to end with 3, then he made another since people didn't like the jumpscare. Interesting how you left that part out to fit your narrative.

[@Mr._.ghost0]

he talks about that in 5:28

[@mannlardex]

@@Mr._.ghost0he doesn’t? He says that the community believed that not that Scott said that

[@aniqueevans1547]

Thank you for calling this out! Sure it's possible that Scott had some ideas for general artistic styles for other games if he was able to keep making them, but that doesn't mean that he had the entire story structure laid out as well. In fact one of the first things he says in the Dawko interview is that he's not some mad genius who had everything planned from the beginning.

[@poolturtle5772]

In the long video he goes in depth about that. Short answer is Scott improves with every game he makes, he knew he wanted to make more FNaF games as based on the clip from the Dawko interview he used. We can infer from these two things that he, while not having the story perfectly planned out, was more than willing to make more than just 3 games. Also, and this is just conjecture, you don’t make a game in 4 months that’s supposed to completely solve the lore because people criticized a jumpscare. You intend for the lore to have meaning and thought it out previously AT SOME POINT (regardless of having it all planned from the beginning)

[@superl8296]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠this explanation still makes no sense to me. He said in the interview it originally was going to be the last game. Case closed. Maybe he had ideas on where to take the story IF he decided to make more games but well that’s an if. He didn’t think he was going to make more games at that point. We know this confirmed 100% You can argue you don’t think dream theory makes sense to come up with after fnaf 3 (because If dream theory was real at one point it was definitely not the plan all along) then sure. However the point that he actually did intend to make more games is still simply wrong.

[@johnman8398]

I disagree with some of the the reasoning for dream theory being never canon. Scott didn't have the story planned out he said so himself in the interview and in fact that segment where he talks about thinking of fnaf 3-5 during fnaf 2 isn't to do with lore its to do with colour palettes and approaches to setting. A big thing Scott emphasises is that the main reasoning for going beyond FNAF 3 and 4 was the criticism and reaction the games got he even said for FNAF 3 that the franchise could of ended there if it weren't for that. He has also said that FNAF SL was partly an attempt to better the lore that FNAF 4 had presented not that it was to clear up misconceptions. Dream theory being joked about by Scott and the movie isn't evidence that it was never canon, it can be easily explained Scott acknowledging a poor writing decision he almost stuck with and is joking about it. Mr Hippo shouldn't be used for lore its clear thats he's a meta joke character in UCN. Also the idea about looking to deep into things is directed at matpat specifically is weird when it's clearly for all FNAF theorists in general.

[@HassanHaris-ic1nw]

I honestly dont think scott is someone who would make you listen to a 3 minute long mr hippo speech just for trolls. Sure trolling could have been the main reason but i feel like scott would be the person to somehow embed a message within that and it felt really specific. Also, about scott not having a plan, that doesnt necessarily mean he was certain that either fnaf 3 or even 4 would be the definitive end. He himself was unsure if it was even the end and in one of his teasers which says "The end thanks for playing!" By brightening up the image you can clearly see that there is a question mark after "the end" To me this proves pretty clearly that there was a high chance of fnaf 4 not being the intended end to the series hence disproving dream theory

[@johnman8398]

@@HassanHaris-ic1nw I think a 3 minute long speech is exactly the sort thing he'd do as a joke. Everything from the framing, tone and the fact that you are forced to listen to it even if you try to close the game heavily suggest the idea that its a joke. There are messages there for sure but it has nothing that can be used to support any arguments about the lore definitively as its too broad of one. The teaser you're talking about came out after the game released which could just mean that he originally had intended for it to the end but changed his mind or that teaser was created because he wasn't sure if he was going to continue or not and to give himself leeway to do so if he decides to. Regardless he himself has said that 3 could have been a stopping point and that the primary reason for both it and 4 getting sequels were due to their reception and criticism upon release, not because he was going to regardless. The very fact that FNAF 4 was called the final chapter only adds to this idea and at least to me that up until release he had planned for it to be the ending.

[@_o.0_]

Most hospitals have analog clocks, late 70’s to early 90’s hospitals adapted to digital clocks, most hospitals these days use a analog wall clock, that “medical professional” seems questionable, but I guess location And timing determines everything

[@pinkyoshi9339]

Difference is they don't have alarms

[@molamola9723]

What public hospital with analog clocks has an alarm going off 6am every morning for a child in a coma. What public hospital has alarms going off every morning when there’s so many other patients that could be disturbed by the noise.

[@Hapsetshut]

Scott wouldn't write something bad *eyes that Matpat mpreg springtrap baby story*

[@MegaBusterDude]

Personally After FNAF 1, Scott had a general idea where to take the story and had too much ideas, but instead chose to stick with 4 games at the time. But as time went on and obviously more games had turned out. He needed a way to convey FNAF 1-4 in a better and narrative way. Not only is 1-4 the full story (the backbone) he then later turned them into "all these events are real, but are up to interpretation" which to most of you guys its sounds like a copout, it can be, unless you make it make sense. The story could be something as simple as 2 families beings friends until a single tragic accident occurs, which in turn lead both families down to despair blaming each other and there kids being caught in the crossfire. The box could have a big family get together picture of both the Afton and Emily Family in a Park. This is just thinking ontop of whats on my head, dont take that as a super thought out theory. In conclusion 1-4 is/was Scotts special box of events and scenes that he can always take from and morph to whatever that can fit better for the future.

[@connorschultz380]

I do want to say, Scott describes having gameplay and settings worked out for each game, nothing to do with lore, for all we know he still did that as he went along ( He did call quite a few things The final chapter, possibly he orginally intended to start a new fanf story, but that just didn't really happen)

[@Zaya512]

"friendly respectful engagement discussion & discord yield... pizza" This is the best

[@itsPlasma06]

NEW GIBI FNAF VIDEO LET'S GO

[@RegularDegular_]

GIBI UPLOADED!!!

[@allshaftsfall]

11:50 This was someone impersonating Scott Cawthon. If you watch the livestream, you'll see that Scott emailed Dawko saying that only the hints on the website were actually him.

[@anyoneatall3488]

Wait, really?

[@renav.3239]

Seems to me that 1-3 were supposed to come off as legit. Story about Afton killing Henry's daughter and 5 others, the spirits haunt the suits, etc. Etc., culminating in a battle against Afton as Springtrap in 3. 4, being labelled a "final chapter" while not actually being one, was supposed to imply it was all a childs nightmares Then 5, Sister Location, was always meant to be the DOUBLE twist that it was all real, thats why it ends with the "im going to come find you" scene showing Springtrap is real, was always real, and is still alive.

[@Isaac-ze4fl]

wild take but i kinda love it

[@FoxyGuyHere]

I just haven't found any other theory that explains why peak of toy Chica is important

[@Alexpg19]

iirc Gibi's theory is that the minigames in fnaf are real video games meant to be played by the spirits, or at least by golden freddy, to help them remember what happened to them and set them free. Similar to the drawings in the movie

[@heyittgsf]

Dawko's theory is that it just a foreshadowing to say this girl may possess Toy Chica

[@derikhans]

I think it's importance is connected to FNAF world's toy chica having a beak unlike the other games...

[@CoolKidMethew]

I think Toy Chica caused the Bite of 87. The bite used to be a major talking point in the first few games before becoming irrelevant after a while. During the time of the livestream though, it was still important. I think all of the allusions to Toy Chica's beak are to imply that she caused the bite. Her death line in UCN about her beak being lodged in the player's forehead makes me especially think so.

[@MigWith]

​@@CoolKidMethew yep, you solved it. that makes too much sense to not be true

[@wyn9693]

my trouble with the evidence in this theory is that you rely so heavily on scott writing ahead. yes, he had an idea of some aesthetics he wanted to use but the fnaf 4 teasers clearly show he either hadn't decided on the story of 4 yet, let alone a 5, or just felt like spreading misinformation. like the amount 87 appeared and the final chapter label. heck, the fact he was saying 4 games, 1 story clearly shows sister location was nowhere near finalised in terms of story. however, I do really like the idea of the gtlive hints not having anything to do with fnaf 4 and instead being teasers for fnaf world

[@timeturnerdust6093]

i reckon sister location was meant to answer questions from fnaf 1-4 cos people went in the wrong direction, so it's not a bad thing that he didn't plan SL cos it wasn't intended to be made. Not sure about fnaf 4 tho

[@BohdanKaiba]

I hope this gets a good solid 100,000 views!

[@paganathiest6349]

that box infuriated me as a 12 year old... because without knowing whats inside the game didnt feel complete and my naive child brain couldnt comprehend that its a community thing i just wanted to break it open lmfao

[@porcelainchips6061]

I've been in ERs a lot and admitted as a patient several times (hello, I am the out patient that becomes your 3 or 4 day patient) and I've never seen an Alarm Clock in the room. What I do see, sometimes, (not always) is a traditional wall clock that runs silently; meaning the hands moves fluidly without a "ticking". Also, I'd like to add; they do not give you pill bottles inside of the hospital. Your medications are either handed over directly by staff, or handed to you by staff within a shallow paper cup similar in size to a mini-cupcake cup. Scott has several children and a wife, which I believe is important to state and to remember because that means he has spent time in hospitals like it or not; for births, emergencies and probably someone in the family has had to stay overnight at least once (given the size of his family). This means Scott has first hand experience/awareness of what is or is not around a hospital and how procedures are gone about; he would know there are no pill bottles, there are no alarm clocks. Also The Flowers - Why Tulips? And why are they even there? I know this might sound super particular, but consider; if the Crying Child was "bit" (crushed in a machine) that badly (the graphics pretty clearly want it to show his head gets smashed-in) and was taken to the hospital Would there really be time to bring him flowers? And who would bring the flowers? Flowers are usually brought to someone as an encouragement to get better, or to stay positive through the process. If CC was out in a coma and passed away, perhaps he lingered... But for how long? Flowers imply someone who is already concerned about him/cares about him heard what happened, went to a flower shop or the gift shop down in the lobby of the hospital and then returned to present them or leave them by the bedside. I'm sorry but I feel like William Afton would have been to busy at CC's side to want to go through all these actions. Perhaps Mike, as a frighten tween (I think he was a tween, not a teen. He is taller then CC, but shorter then the adults shown) would have done it out of guilt... But do young brothers really bring flowers to each other? Also, Also - Why the queen-size bed? The bed in the FNAF4 bedroom is a full or queen-size bed; large enough for two pillows side-by-side to fit two adults. CC is guessed by most to be younger then a 7 year old, why would he be in an adult's bedroom? Unless the gameplay bedroom was originally the parents bedroom? Beside the layouts of the two bedrooms shown in the game not lining up, I haver personally always suspected that just the difference of the cutscene bed clearly being a single/twin-size bed and the gameplay bed being clearly a double/queen-size bed shows that we're not only dealing with two houses, but also two protagonists. Last one; Why is Crying Child always Crying? - No one asks this. This kid STARTS the game an emotional mess. Literally everyone always just jumps to an assumption that he's crying because he is the child of a bad person and then immediately move onto other things. I think we need to stop and really address this; it's a trait that included on purpose; his crying is a continuois animation attached to the sprite. It literally is his main animation. So why is he crying and why isn't his mother there to pick him up, give him a kiss and sooth those tears that keep streaming without end?

[@bailey7447]

wait if we’re playing as mike in fnaf 4, and it’s based on real events that took place when he was a kid, i’m confused on why the room looks like it belongs to a very young child. if the events take place after the bite, my understanding was that mike was a tween or teen at the time so why would his room look like that?

[@angelic428]

Only thing is that this makes FNAF 4's Dream Theory feel very invalid and kind like of a stupid destination theorists arrived at. Despite how it felt from a satisfying and narrative perspective, there was really no reason why people coming to this conclusion was stupid. It was very obviously and cleverly hidden and explained, and made a lot of sense from what we were given at the time. Even now, again despite how it FEELS narratively, I feel like this was a very well-rounded interpretation at the time and was THE theory with the most evidence before SL came out.

[@prophetedubaroque5136]

The best video i've found on fnaf 4 is one made by captain hype which I feel is just extremely solid. Dadly he is a small french youtuber so no one will ever aknowledge is work or that of enzoul who has put into question the theory of golden both recently

[@Handlelesswithme]

It would be invalid anyway cause the night 6 minigame

[@aidanshay5846]

But it’s stupid

[@Lovely001]

Hey so I just wanted to say thanks for bringing this up! I remember seeing this theory way back when, and I agree exactly with how you explained everything. Something just never sat right with me in the dream theory, and you explained it perfectly! On another note, your voice has the same intonation as the hand unit, and I thought that was a fun thing to point out. Thanks again for the theory!

[@dumflame]

At this point Fnaf lore can only be solved if we had the mind of Scott Cawthon

[@dpsadoting]

I had an alarm clock in my children’s hospital room so did my little brothers and it was a digital alarm clock idk dude this isn’t weird

[@ClarkTitorTrueArchives]

CC is a coma patient.

[@nestronicalnet7620]

Maybe one day, in 10 years, Scott can just clear this whole thing already. I feel like revealing the lore of FNAF 1-5 wouldn't ruin whatever new crap they're trying to do.

[@anyoneatall3488]

Plot twist, he just doesn't rember 💀

[@atanaZion]

@@anyoneatall3488 unironically what's likely to happen

[@probablyjustsnails]

That comment at the end has me thinking you could turn it into a video. “I’m genuinely worried about the future of KZbin without you” (29:00) I’d love to see a discussion of your thoughts on this

[@MZ-sr2xr]

Yeah I am convinced that dream theory probably wasnt a thing though I still have certain questions. "What is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" In dream theory this points to CC having nightmares about things he saw. The guy being stuffed in the locker is the main example. I dont understand what this means in the context of dream theory was never a thing. Whos mind are we talking about? What exactly as being misunderstood? "Why is Toy chica missing her beak" Dream theory says: Fnaf2 Non-dream theory says:... what exactly? Are you trying to tell me that the guy who made the fnaf 2 toy animatronics based them off of these action figures and for some reason they have both exactly the same defect. That sounds stupid. I dont understand what scott was trying to hint at. The plushtrap plush Oh boy that thing, in Dream theory it says: Look guys its a literal flesh trap, yeah this one traps your finger. CC dreams of it trapping people. Non-dream theory is like: Yeah so there is this random plushie that is also a finger trap and like 30 years later head of fazbear entertainment gets trapped inside of the golden bunny which has now rotten to the point that it looks exactly like the plushie for no reason what so ever. Why include that plushie, i do not understand what the point of the plushie is if your intention was NOT to guide people towards dream theory. Yeah saying everything was a dream might be a disservice to Scott as a write but quite honestly it is amazing how you manage to accidentally make something look exactly like it was all a dream and with everything lining up with minor holes like the amount of cash you get and the pink slips and the at the time arguably non-canon ending. Essentially what Im trying to say is. Even if Scott never intended for dream theory to be a thing, god dammit Scott you left a crap ton of evidence for something that was never supposed to be a thing in the first place. Like isnt it kind of just strange that the 4 animatronics from fnaf 1 are the ones that cc has as plushies. With the exception of golden freddy which he... also had as a plushie. Glowing eyes and everything.

[@MZ-sr2xr]

Like in dream theory a lot of things are so simple, you just go "AHAAAA" when you dont think about it. I dont believe MatPat did all that much. I believed in Dream theory even before I knew about GT which might be a third way of acquiring their arguments but the reason the gt video is so dumb is because they overemphasize the importance of the digital alarm clock.

[@MZ-sr2xr]

@Sonicmid this is exactly what I'm talking about but it was already getting too long. Like I'm sorry but I have been misguided by what I saw when playing the games rather than guy talking about a digital alarm clock

[@MZ-sr2xr]

@Sonicmid couldn't have said it any better

[@aidanshay5846]

Did you not watch the video? We don’t NEED a satisfying theory for toy chica missing her beak. It doesn’t prove Dream Theory. From what I heard, Scott put up that hint while Matpat, on the stream, was talking about how not all Easter eggs have meaning, and bringing up stuff like pictures of Scott on the wall in FnaF 4. With this in mind, it’s entirely possible that Scott was acknowledging how not every Easter egg has to have some huge piece of meaning to it, like MatPat said. The missing beak could be just a nod to Toy Chica in general.

[@aboynamedmadi]

The biggest problem that I have with Dream Theory is that, if Scott truly intended for FNAF 4 to be the final game and for everything for that to just be a dream, why would he place such a heavy relevance on the fact that this game takes place in 1983 when we already know that there was a bite of 87? Like, if this game was confirmed to take place in 1987, then maybe I'd be willing to believe it, but it's such a weird detail to say that this game is set 4 years before that.

[@bimpadimp]

good guy foxy is probably one of my favorite "bad" theories. it's just so cute and fun i love it

[@I_Pizza]

Whats interesting is he said he “grounded” FNAF in storytelling again with SL. I think there is a complete story with fnaf1-4, even if we never found it, but it seems likely fnaf5 wouldve been a soft reboot, and if people had understood the story of fnaf4, we wouldve gotten a different protagonist and new story.

[@shawnbay2211]

I LOVE the revelation in this video. Here’s y: When I’m studying philosophy there r 2 types of theory I notice. There is (1) a hypothesis of a specific phenomenon & (2) a retrospective hypothesis on what led 2 that former idea. Type 2 is like if there was a philosopher but ur focusing on who the philosopher was & what they experienced rather than judging what they said. That type of theory redefines EVERYTHING that could’ve been said. & that takes a profound effect on the initial hypotheses. This video is potentially extremely important in the fnaf theory landscape bc it redirects the theorist’s focus & understanding of the whole franchise & lore. U basically said, “what if we were supposed 2 look @ this in a symbolic, emotive, or Easter eggy sort of way?” & it’s honestly a rlly good take bc a lot of literature is not literal symbolism; sometimes it’s psychological & indirect or it’s purely incidental. So basically saying “maybe not everything was intended 2B a big deal” is a big deal. Ik u respect MatPat, but this is most likely y a lot of theorists probably dislike him in how he unintentionally can direct discourse in a counterproductive way. He can b very literal & all-encapsulating with his interpretations. Even now, I think the “dream theory was probably intended” retrospective take is more common than this “fnaf 4 wasn’t trying 2 tell u it was a dream” take. & I get it; our desire 4 logic is more natural than our acceptance 4 openness & uncertainty. But time & time again, a fnaf instalment is better answered by its follow up rather than itself.

[@WWTWW]

If I remember correctly, the "Scott" that was talking to them in the chat of that infamous livestream ended up being fake. (I can't remember without checking the original video, but I think they did mention it during the livestream later on.) Even still, the fake Scott still posed some interesting questions for them to think about.

[@ciboria1]

I disagree with you on the point that no one had dreamed of a fursuit in 1983; Chewbacca has fur Star Wars: A New hope came out in 1977, and in 1983 The Return of the Jedi premiered. So I'd say, given how CC was the child of William Afton, co-owner of Freddy's; Its not farfetched for the child to imagine those things, given the context of the time period

[@piranhaplant3623]

Tbh I do think Scott only had FNaf 1 in mind, then 1-3, then 1-4, then 1-5. It's evident. Scott says otherwise because it will be to admit how he came with the story on the way, to admit that he didn't think of the bigger story since the beginning, making theorizing less exciting.

[@TheDarkFuryKnight]

Lol, I am just noticing that the chica toy part is supposed to show that toy chica removing her beak is an attentional feature and because of that the beak is removable on the toy

[@purplestrawberrys]

You state multiple times that scott wanted us to see that foxybro was the security guard the entire time but how would we have gotten to that conclusion pre sister location

[@HorrorHomestead]

I think "four games one story" could have lead people to realize that foxybro will return later in the story. CC being killed by Fredbear and golden Freddy saying "it's me" to Mike would then be the other half of the puzzle.

[@michawhite7613]

​​​@@HorrorHomestead That seems like even more of a stretch than dream theory. I doubt he intended to put the on his website more than five minutes before doing it. If he hadn't, then what? We were just supposed to guess that the "me" in "it's me" refers to the crying child? It would make just as much sense to say that it refers to the phone guy, but we'd have no proof of that either. Also, I think it's been established that CC doesn't haunt Golden Freddy, so this can't even be true.

[@DecoratedInRain]

I do get why Mat's team considered Dream Theory, because the games had an odd end at the time. Think about it, there were the first games about job shifts and posters about dead kids then all of a sudden there is a game about a bedroom at night... what? Still I didn't like dream theory, but I get understood why he thought it. Regardless of some off evidence about hospitals.

[@noDice-_-]

I have a theory that on the 10 anniversary of fnaf Scott might open the box. My other theory was Scott would do something for matpats goodbye but basically only matpat knows if he’s right or not

[@kevencruz8974]

Hey Gibi, I hope you’re doing well. Omg I just had this crazy theory pop into my head. What if the FNAF 4 kids (no not the ones who CC talks to outside the Fredbear establishment). I’m referring to the Foxy bro’s friends. It makes so much sense. Well I don’t have any concrete evidence from let’s say the books or other media. Since I can only keep up with so much. I’ll use the games instead. I thought about this because the kids wearing each of the masks in fnaf4 and in FNAF 3 happiest day mini games we see the alternate version of those events. P.S I just realized my theory falls apart because foxy bro is wearing a mask and is Micheal Afton. Anyway thought it be fun to spark some conversation.

[@Takejiro24]

Possible answers for Tiny Toy Chica Missing Her Beak: 1) To show that the Toy Animatronics' name was more literal than we maybe thought: they were actually based off toy of the Fazbear Gang. Showing either the first Freddy's restaurant was opened as far back as 1983 alongside Fredbear's Family Diner or it's foreshadowing that *everything* in the plot kicked off because of this game even if nothing paranormal or sinister happened yet. 2) ShatterVictim/MemoryVictim.

[@monothephantom]

Fnaf lore to me feels like those cool optical illusion puzzles where they look abstract until you put every piece at the perfect angle, and it makes a grand picture. I feel like the fnaf community tends to get caught up in the same ideas, though. Sometimes, it feels like they're trying to brute force the picture even without the right angle. Stuff that doesn't fit quite right often gets explained away vaguely or even as a retcon, rather than change perspective or look for something new because things aren't fitting together. If people stop trying new angles on the puzzle and just keep trying to force it into place, it will never be solved. Things only get the chance to progress from people thinking outside the self-constructed box. People need to try new angles, especially when things aren't fitting right. The fnaf community has been pretty tunnel visioned over the years. If the loudest person in the crowd sees a potential horse in the optical illusion, then everyone scrambles to construct the horse without even considering it might actually be an otter, a deer, or even a bear.

[@OkayestChemist]

Hey Gibi, just wanted to drop a comment to thank you for your thoughtful and respectful commentary. You set a great example for what fan discourse should look like and I like to point at your videos as examples of how to respectfully disagree with ideas of others.

[@_politefrog_8892]

Dream theory is a really smooth conclusion to come to with only games 1-4. So at the time I really think it was true, but Scott realized the fans wouldn’t like it. Inside the box would be the animatronics as toys, symbolizing it was all a kid’s dream. That’s it. Very simple & easy to understand. I’m glad Scott changed it though. Your theory makes no sense at all and you have no good reasoning for me to lean towards believing your line of thinking. You didn’t even attempt to answer the toy chica beak thing…

[@damkylan3]

Something being simple does not make it likely. It just means you are ignoring the actual story and points of evidence to suit your own narrative. And that’s fine, but don’t pretend it was ever a real thing outside of your own perception. You know… like a dream. lel

[@CamKoudo]

Been to a lot of hospitals this year and forget about there not being any alarm clocks, there were no clocks at all any of the hospitals I visited 😂😅

[@KrizaIid117]

Can't explain why toy chica is missing the beak in the fnaf 4 flashback? "yeah, it's just some silly thing scott said" seems too convenient for me. Next time try to explain the main point that stands against your own theory before dispelling others. Dont get me wrong, I'm not 100% sure dream theory was ever cannon and yeah MatPat gives some weird explanations that make no sense, but at least don't give a weird explanation that makes no sense yourself. Still fun video to watch, keep 'em coming.

[@ariana9941]

so... whats the deal about the beak, are we going to absolutely forget about it?

[@timeturnerdust6093]

a popular theory i'm seeing in the comment section is that she's missing her beak to imply that she was the one that did the bite of '87

[@aidanshay5846]

Did you not watch the video? We don’t NEED a satisfying theory for toy chica missing her beak. It doesn’t prove Dream Theory. From what I heard, Scott put up that hint while Matpat, on the stream, was talking about how not all Easter eggs have meaning, and bringing up stuff like pictures of Scott on the wall in FnaF 4. With this in mind, it’s entirely possible that Scott was acknowledging how not every Easter egg has to have some huge piece of meaning to it, like MatPat said. The missing beak could be just a nod to Toy Chica in general.

[@skyeote5982]

I know you say that hospitals don’t have digital clocks, but scott needed to have a clock sound effect regardless and I think it’s notable that he made these sound choices. You say scott just used a grandfather clock for fnaf2 to just have a recognizable sound, but that’s a pretty weak explanation given that he instantly drops that detail in the next games. I don’t believe in the dream theory, but I do believe scott intended to want us to believe it even as a red herring. The differences in alarm noises is the exact thing any storyteller would do if they were trying to convey that point

[@ajflink]

"You twist theories to suit facts, not twist facts to suit theories." -Sherlock Holmes, probably

[@shawnbay2211]

I like the conclusion of y the box was never opened. If ur right, the moment the box was opened, we basically already r getting the answer 2 what it was. The box opening was basically the series continuing.

[@statefromjakefarm1]

Maybe the broken chica is just that purple guy seeked out children of broken homes since they were easier to lure?

[@vanyadolly]

MatPat did a lot of good for the franchise, but unleashing dream theory was one of the worst things I've ever seen happen to a fandom. And he wouldn't let go of it! So still to this day we have people who insist this was real, regardless of all the evidence in the game saying otherwise. There's a very sad correlation between the dream theory and people who insist that Scott is a hack writer who doesn't know what he's doing, and the fnaf story is unsolvable anyway. The dream theory doesn't have anything to do with looking at the facts, it's about people taking out their frustration on Scott.

[@TheLegendaryDiscoChomper]

25:33 It's because he got tired of her voice xd

[@marx4538]

Wait, but the first two UCN posts seem to hint at the mechanics of the characters: Foxy seems to describe how Rockstar Foxy acts, and Phone Guy describes him while also hinting at there being two William characters in UCN for the fun of it. Am I stupid? It just feels like Scott having a bit of fun with those posts more than anything to me. Good video though, you make good points overall and it's an interesting view

[@rileymattr]

I hope you make a video about toy chica’s beak.

[@TypeHonk]

If grandmother clocks are not same then orange guy and purple guy aren't same person.

[@HorrorHomestead]

Correct.

[@eow4317]

then who the heck is the orange guy? Who is the person watching TV? Who is the kid that ran away? Why does the minigame say "later that night"????????@@HorrorHomestead

[@HorrorHomestead]

These are all answered in my video about midnight motorist. Orange guy is the father of an MCI victim, specifically the MCI victim that toy chica talks about in UCN when she tells a story of going and breaking a window to abduct a child. The person watching TV can be anybody either the MCI victim's mother or grandfather or whatever just a babysitter. The first part of the game is called midnight motorist. The second half is called later that night. It is later in the night from midnight motorist, it is after midnight. The footprints are William leading the kid away to Freddy's.

[@Shadow01974]

The idea that Scott, at the end of Matpats final theory, starts patronizing Mat for dream theory, is hilarious to me and i believe it now XD

[@VoidDaviCrystalheartC]

Okay what i find funny about this video is when Scott makes fun of absurd fan theories HAH!! Also you do have a point with this Video on A WHOLE LOTTA THINGS and insighted me on the lore!!! Anyways GIBI i wish you well!! Keep a Bright mind and Bright soul 🌈🌀💙

[@eduardosguilarohara333]

Not sure if I wasn't paying attention, but how exactly were people supposed to link FoxyBro to Mike? That's what I don't get

[@azimuddin1890]

Agreed, like that FoxyBro was just an older brother who’s a bully, and Mike wasn’t a character himself so there’s nothing to connect the two. Mike being connected to Fritz Smith seemed more plausable back then.

[@systemprogramstartup]

Have we ever considered the possibility that there is more to the bite of '83 than we initially thought? I mean, think about it. Why would Fredbear just randomly bite down on crying child? I know the answer that many of us have gone with is "the springlocks in the jaw failed" but that doesn't really make sense. Tears don't give off moisture. It's just a singular stream of fluid. The only reason I could think of that it would cause the locks to fail is if he was crying directly on the locks, but they would be in the back of Fredbear's mouth, no? The cutscene shows that Crying Child wasn't that far in his mouth. So who do I think did it? Well, the book Dittophobia introduces a new character named Rory, who was tortured in the FNaF 4 bedroom. I think he purposefully snuck out one night (midnight motorist), and reprogrammed Fredbear to bite Crying Child so that William would be too busy with grieving to continue Rory's torture; a perfect opportunity to escape. When will the fnaf fandom realize this is how it went?

[@Fw.Mxnster]

Wait this is such an interesting theory. Though the books and the game seem to be different from each other. Somethings are similar or makes sense and some doesn’t at all. So it’s hard to really believe what information is truthful to the game lore.

[@saturnbee.]

Are you genuinely stupid? 😭 Rory isn't canon to the games. This might just be one of the worst theories I've ever heard. (surprisingly) You're right about the bite not being caused by a springlock failure though. I strongly believe Fredbear was infected with the Mimic1 virus, *that* is what caused the bite. But Fredbear didn't just pick up the virus by chance, no, Henry Emily was the one to purposefully program it into Fredbear. But I know your dimwit self isn't ready for such a revelation.

[@michawhite7613]

Yeah, Scott expected us to just guess that someone snuck out in the middle of the night and reprogrammed FredBear to bite the kid while none of us were looking.

[@Takejiro24]

Pistons. Fredbear's mouth has pistons in it. Put something in his mouth and he will still move his mouth up and down regardless because he's a robot specifically programmed to do that.

[@athenaruna]

isnt that just how fredbear's mouth works?

[@MyUsersDark]

I don't think Matpat intended that the child dreamt all of fnaf while in a coma. I think he meant he dreamt the first 3 games while sleeping in his own home, then the bite happens, and then he dreams fnaf 4 in the hospital. You still convinced me though, nice video!

[@All-SeeingIGGY]

babe wake up a new GiBi fnaf theory vid just dropped 🗣🗣

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I think dream theory was the original intent, just not the version Matpat had when FNAF 4 came out. I think its more likely that the version Matpat brought up in his box video was the intent. Where there was always a supernatural element to it. Scott brought attention to that video when he brought up how the box has changed over the years.

[@Madaracannon]

The entire community needs to see this.

[@paradiso-gt-7452]

The people dismissing the allarm clock aren’t completely right. Maybe the clock was brought by someone else that was kept in the same room as CC. Now, I have no idea how hospitals look in America, but in my country it’s perfectly normal for two or even three persons to be in a single room, so my apologies if I’m wrong in advance.

[@Takejiro24]

That person was probably FoxyBro/Mike Afton. It's heavily implied by the end with his lines, "Can you hear me? I don't know if you can hear me. I'm sorry."

[@azimuddin1890]

Someone may have brought a clock there, but that’s pretty much adding a headcanon without much evidence really. There’s nothing to imply that

[@kandieharrison4055]

I'm not a believer in dream theory, however, in regards to the idea of digital alarm clocks being in hospitals, that is actually something I've seen before. I was diagnosed with type 1 Diabetes at the age of 4, so I spent a lot of time in hospitals growing up and I actually have seen digital alarm clocks in a few of the rooms I stayed in over the past 31 years since I was diagnosed (I'm 35 now). But I will say that it was never in rooms where the treatment was intensive, like the ER or ICU, it was always in the recovery rooms that they'd put me in on the last day or so of my stay in the hospital. (Meaning my condition was much better and so they'd keep me in a room to just observe me and make sure my condition didn't get bad again before I was meant to leave the hospital). Those rooms are not meant for patients who are not conscious and able to function normally, so those rooms lacked all the medical devices and instead the rooms had a nightstand with a clock, so while the bed was still a hospital style bed, it didn't feel as much like a hospital room as the other types of rooms. Though I will say that this is not the case at every hospital I've stayed in, (I've stayed in a lot of different hospitals, including ones in other states, like Oregon, where I live, Washington and Illinois), but it is the case in a very small few of them. Anyway, that's not super important to note, but just thought I'd chime in and give my own experience on the subject, but again, I don't believe dream theory, so I agree with this video, but I just wanted to point out that it is possible to find digital alarm clocks in hospitals, just not every hospital or in every room.

[@juantroisi6276]

Great video, and great explanation. I now believe dream theory was never canon, but there is one thing still on my mind: Scott said once that he only retconned one thing, at the time it was believed to be Dream Theory, so what would the retcon be now?

[@HorrorHomestead]

I personally think it's that originally Mike's last name was Schmidt. The retcon is that now his last name is Afton, and that Schmidt was a pseudonym.

[@juantroisi6276]

@@HorrorHomestead Hm, so originally the security guard from game 1 and 2 weren't supposed to be the same guy? And in the 3rd game it was retconned to be all the same guy, to be later revealed to be the son of the yet to be named purple guy? I can see it

[@G.I.RobotLuvr69]

well fredbears line that says "I assure you I am very real" kinda makes that obvious

[@_Ecliptic]

okay, this just annoyed me, you used the dawko interview as evidence that scott always planned for at least 5 games and not 4, but if you played like 10 seconds more, he made sure to say "I always knew part 5 would be high tech, *_IF_* there was gonna be one" or something along those lines, he did intend on FNAF 4 being the ending, but comtinued

[@Krueger_ai]

I always thought of FNAF 4 being a prequel to FNAF 1.

[@shadowsoulless6227]

What's crazy is the first comment about working at a hospital sounds just like a comment I typed up the other day, but I don't even remember what video I left it on 😂

[@FTZPLTC]

OK, devil's advocate here... I actually quite *like* the idea of a family using a digital alarm clock for a child in a coma - like it'd be something the kid was familiar with and maybe it would prompt them to wake up. Kinda sweet in a way. That said, I think any ward nurse worth her salt would be like "No, that'll just going to piss off literally everyone else" and put a stop to it.

[@DarbyAllen-sc2kc]

Has anyone ever brought up the fact that both depictions of children’s rooms in this series are technically closets? The crying child’s room is shown from an arial view, and there are no indicators that he has a closet in his room. And the room with doors at both ends. . That’s a linen closet or a pantry 🤔 I just think it’s odd

[@Double___]

The main problem with this theory is that Scott already admitted that MatPat was right about the FNAF 4 box's contents changing. The box is just the explanation for FNAF 1-4, the pieces put together, so if it was meant to be evidence that would be consistent with the future story then there would be no reason to change it. To me this makes it hard to believe that Scott's original intention for FNAF 4's story and lore is the same lore it has today. Here are some random counter arguments to add on: A digital alarm clock being used in a hospital is weird, yes, but then why else would the game switch from using the grandfather clock to the digital alarm clock in FNAF 4? At least hospitals have a lot of beeping machines, even if it's not specifically a digital alarm clock meant to wake CC up (because that wouldn't make sense). All it takes for Scott to add that change is to think "well it can't be a grandfather clock sound anymore if CC isn't actually at his house, so I guess I'll make it a generic digital alarm clock with beeping since he's at a hospital", even if it doesn't make that much sense overall. I also still don't see any satisfying explanations that can explain the questions Scott asked at the time, regardless of how important the community should treat those questions. Why does the child misunderstand something in the shadows? If kids are really getting stuffed into suits by Purple Guy, why would him seeing Purple Guy help an employee and thinking it's a murder mean anything important? He's still killing people either way. WHY is the tiny toy chica missing her beak? I think it's a much further leap to say that the minigames are all fake video games that have a magic effect on the real world than to say that the toys inspired CC's dreams, this evidence makes wayyyy more sense for the dream theory than any other theory that could be proposed at the time. "Four games, one story." for this I just don't see how anyone would interpret FNAF 4 as the story of Foxybro when the minigames are so heavily focused on CC. If this is trying to tell us that FNAF 4 is about the origins of Mike then I think it's a terrible clue since Foxybro's importance was not emphasized at ALL in FNAF 4. I honestly think Scott thought about Dream Theory and made the clues to support it for FNAF 4 specifically. He has admitted to switching up the story before as he goes along, he may have had general ideas for some future games planned but not the actual story itself. There are clear shifts in it, like from FNAF World's first update trying to explain FNAF 4 to the next update building up Baby and Sister Location. I really just think Scott wasn't a great writer, especially back then, which led to contradictions and plot holes in each side. I think there was evidence in support of and to debunk every major theory at the time, so it was too much of a mess for Scott to continue it that way. But that's why we hold so much weight in his hints, because it's the best clues we have to what Scott was actually thinking about the interpretations of the lore at that point, and not how it is now which is where existing hints and details take on completely new interpretations and meaning as the lore of the games evolves.

[@Razzberry_dollz]

I still don’t think all the story’s were about Mike tbh Fnaf 2 Mike is only the custom night gaude The story of fnaf 2 is vary specificly about the final days of the bite victim leading to the final party where the bite happens it’s why the bite of 87 isn’t as lore relevant anymore because the answer was given in 87 Jermey Fitzgerald after being instructed to keep close to the animatronics hey bit Ether by toy chica larger her beak in his head or mangel

[@temubrine2]

you completely changed my view on the franchise. you're crazy man lol

[@otaku3OBSESSION]

Pretty sure the implication of toy chica missing her break is that that girl who did that to her toy was killed and possessed that toy

[@davidsmiley7036]

kinda hard to dream about your spirit being released when you are dead and unable to dream anymore? I personally had a dream not only of being a ghost in the local library but already knowing the ropes as if I had been dead before. So not sure what you're point is there. To be fair, you are correct in that kids knowing minimum wage laws and predicting increases is a bit sus tho.

[@pikasonic9402]

Wait this video doesnt have 1.2mil viewers? This is crazy

[@UnsaidLies]

the summer job thing might be because they were just using a Old tape to be cheap.

[@HorrorHomestead]

The location was only open for 2 weeks.

[@UnsaidLies]

@@HorrorHomestead maybe it was a really old tape? 🤷

[@michawhite7613]

​@@UnsaidLies How did the tape predict the behavior of all of the animatronics, the previous security guard leaving before you, the investigation, and the closing of the location?

[@UnsaidLies]

@@michawhite7613 I don't think about that.