Golden Freddy Was Killed During FNAF 2 | CassiDCI

[@DefNotMyBurner]

“FNAF theories are just fanfic backed by evidence“ Facts

[@JanisChambers]

That describes every hypothesis ever made. Science is just nature's fan fiction, constantly updated and confirmed.

[@ethanhong5466]

The best n worst part ab the community 😂😂

[@TheXell]

*theories

[@Wyvernatus]

I know it’s meant to be a joke, but isn’t that literally what a theory is? An explanation for something based on evidence?

[@sleepking2565]

@@Wyvernatusjust sounds funnier I guess

[@clemensm1568]

I like every theory that decreases the ammount of murders, because it seems so arbitrary to just have more murders without them ever coming up again

[@vvanderer2287]

I feel like less is more because if there is more then it seems less grounded

[@Ideataster]

Yeah, I still don't believe a "DCI" happened at all.

[@longfishy]

​@@vvanderer2287 How so?

[@michipeachy69]

​@@longfishy fictional serial killer kills 5 people: makes sense, completely within the realm of possibility fictional serial killer kills 20 people: he had to be a genius and very meticulous, you're asking me to suspend my disbelief a little more fictional serial killer kills 130 people: yeah no, that's insane, needs way more suspension of disbelief

[@Panamations]

@@longfishy It also feels a bit messy. Just like he kills 5 children.. and another 5, and another 5, and another 5!

[@paydaygh9388]

21:31 “Whatever’s going on out there” is Cassidy going missing. “We had a spare suit in the back… a Yellow one. Someone… USED. IT.” Notice the word choice. Notice the motif of lakes of blood. Notice how a spring lock death in the book’s is “drowning in your own blood.” The phone call of Night 6 isn’t about Spring Bonnie being used to lure the kids away. It’s confirmation that GOLDEN FREDDY WAS THE MURDER WEAPON.

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

THANK YOU

[@Cloveinti_Uno59232]

You're cooking.

[@_Daijah_Vu_]

And the phone guy sounded so rattled saying it, like he couldn’t get the sight of it out of his head

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Heck maybe they dont even consider it a murder. Fore all they know a child snuck in at night, put on the suit and got herself springlocked because she had no clue what she was doing

[@jan_harald]

luckily plenty of theorizers have realized this connection, but yes, it makes a lot of sense

[@Eric_I_Guess]

14:26 A while back I thought "Wouldn't it be funny if Cassidy's last name was Andrews" and then when this came out I laughed so hard oh my god

[@thykappa]

Funnily enough I've head-canoned that Cassidy's full name was Cassidy Andrews for years. I even made a fictional missing poster for Cassidy with that name and posted it on Freddit a year ago. Not very far down on Google images when searching "FNAF missing poster" too.

[@UnwitheredTruth]

This is really very interesting. I remember RyeToast discussed something similar a long while ago, and further evidence would be how Golden Freddy only shows up Night 6 which is when we learn about the "DCI". My only main counterpoint to this is that the text spells out "SAVE THEM", and while, yes it could be a singular they or it could be somehow referring to saving the kids' bodies, it just feels a little bit strange if the intention was for us to understand only one kid had been killed. I've been asked recently to share my thoughts on the DCI by people in my own burgeoning following, so I suppose I might have to give this CassiDCI more thought!

[@generalsheep4169]

Wsg big man! Good to see u

[@marsmurderer9868]

To be fair I wouldn’t put too much stock into the pronouns used in Fnaf 2 because Scott already also retconned the Save Him minigame into actually being Save Her since Charlie is a girl

[@vvanderer2287]

I liked your 1989 theory :)

[@longfishy]

Hey Unwithered!

[@GayAnnabeth]

I mean, if it _is_ Cassidy... their gender is intentionally ambiguous in UCN, so... them works

[@spudsbuchlaw]

I've been saying for MONTHS that people just take "Charlie died at Fredbears" at face value for NO REASON. I'm glad someone's finally saying it

[@GREENCORD-01]

I agree, Charlie probably died at a earlier Freddy's that was opened after bite of 83.

[@vanyadolly]

I've been saying it before that and got buried. It's the only reason the second game would have a second set of five dead kids. It's hard not to get riled up with how pigheaded the fandom is 😩

[@kyletheorangeguy7090]

I always thought this since I realized Golden Freddy's jumpscare is triggered by the numbers 1987

[@Camilo-ne1sx]

OMG yes that's always bugged me

[@eduardosguilarohara333]

Isn't that just a non-canon Easter Egg tho?

[@kyletheorangeguy7090]

@@eduardosguilarohara333 why would they put such a specific thing like a year as a non-canon easter egg? Especially since we know something important happens on that year in FNAF

[@yaboiricku919]

​@@kyletheorangeguy7090 the reason 1987 is even an Easter egg in the first place was to stop rumors about 1987 in custom night lol, on launch it didn't do anything but was patched in

[@eduardosguilarohara333]

@@kyletheorangeguy7090 cuz people thought if you imputed 1987 there'd be a secret ending, which made Scott update fnaf 1 to include that

[@soji6916]

gibi's videos are such a special way to spend my time, i have to carefully consider before each one if it is worth watching *right now* or should i savour knowing there is a new video i haven't yet seen...

[@BluyMolla-fj8ql]

Lol, yea it's the same for me too.

[@rainbowbrony12]

I've had this theory for a while, so I'm going to give you more evidence that you didn't mention: 1.) Golden Freddy only becomes active in FNaF 2 on night 6, after PG mentions the use of the "yellow suit," implying that whatever happened with the yellow suit is what created Golden Freddy. 2.) In FNaF 1, typing 1987 into the custom night menu triggers the Golden Freddy jumpscare, tying them to that date. 3.) We know the golden suit used during FNaF 2 couldn't have been the Spring Bonnie suit because it was currently left in the back of the old restaurant. 4.) In HW2, the graves at the end are for Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy and the Puppet, not Golden Freddy, further alienating them from the event.

[@vi4654]

From the survival logbook we know that the name on the last grave isn't Charlie but Cassidy, so it can't represent the Puppet. Unless you find another way to solve the grid that gives the name Charlie or her name is actually Charlotte Cassidy or something like that. Also (a bit circumstancial maybe but) it seems more reasonable to assume that the five gravestones are connected to the five main animatronics that are in fnaf 1 rather than four from fnaf 1 and one that is randomly from fnaf 2, it's not really evidence but who talking about the most intreseting group of 5 animatronics (as a set) thinks of the puppet?

[@rainbowbrony12]

@@vi4654 Have you considered that Cassidy may be Charlie's name in the games? They both start with a C.

[@Whyteroze28]

I thought the theory was that Charlie's grave was the one up on the hill under the tree?

[@masoneckhardt8879]

Great points

[@IsaacC94]

Also we DON’T know where the Spring Bonnie’s location is until 1989 (where FNAF 1 takes place, another video explained it) and if anything, they keep moving Fredbear, why wouldn’t they move Bonnie??

[@bigking3218]

I posted a really similar theory to this in one of IDs shorts a few weeks ago. I'm so happy to see someone talking about Cassidy being a springlock death from fnaf 2 and that's why she's the one he should not have killed. I hope more theorists start seriously considering it.

[@myst1que_mach1ne]

When you really put the pieces for this theory together, it becomes so obvious. I honestly don't know how the community hasn't picked up on it beforehand.

[@Chance_Of_Chaos]

I’ve also always thought that Cassidy was kidnapped so I’m pretty okay with this theory. I would like to add on that I think it’s likely that Cassidy could have been the victim of the nightmare experiments before she died. In the logbook, she knows about the walkie talkie Fredbear plush and the purple telephone, asking Dave about them. But how would she know about them in the first place, since they were kept in the underground bunker? Plus, in order for the nightmare animatronics to torment William in UCN, I think either the vengeful spirit or William needs to have seen them. So Cassidy being the victim of the nightmare experiments just makes sense. How does Micheal know about them? We know from the books that agony can influence dreams, and can make someone live the memories of the agony-filled spirit. I think that’s why Micheal refers to the nightmare creatures as “dreams” and uses them to answer Cassidy’s question. I don’t know if I buy that Cassidy was spring locked in the new location, but I do like how there are 6 puddles of blood, 5 bodies AND the GF suit. Overall I think your theory and mine mesh together really well.

[@Platinuments]

This might be one of the new foundations for theories going forward. I'm delighted it's from yourself too! I've been enjoying your nuanced takes aswell as your extensive albeit, ever-changing timeline. I've watched this 3 times consecutively, and I really love this. The ramifications for a simple thing like the date of Cassidy's death may prove massive. I'm genuinely extremely impressed by this one. I hope it goes to the moon. It's a fantastic theory!

[@EdenVix]

I really love this theory, it's satisfying from a narrative standpoint and it honestly makes so much sense. The only issue i have with it is the chica line in ucn saying she was the first, and the fact that the gravestone order in help wanted 2 starts with her. Yes i know there's other ways to explain away both of those (she was the first animatronic, not murder; it's the order in which they move on, etc) but that seems like excuses to me, considering it was reiterated twice. I think there has to be a way for this theory to work around the order and make it so that chica was still the first, because that would honestly make it perfect

[@auroraofclanborealis]

I love this theory. Very rarely does a theory feel deserving of the word 'solved', but this really feels like it cleanly uses the evidence and context in a very Occam's razor way.

[@pondthings]

I love the idea of cassidy's death being later and from a kidnapping just bc that little decal in security breach with the black haired little girl sitting in a cot with a bed spread just. So reminiscent of the fnaf4 bedroom haunts me

[@AnUsername]

18:16 Doesn’t FLAF having a Spring Bonnie accessory on the Midnight Motor car directly confirm that we play as William in Midnight Motorist?

[@Phyrior]

Someone also brought up the distinct possibility that William lured Dave and killed/buried him in the woods while black-out drunk, went to kill Charlie, and since it was raining, he had to do it outside without the costume and in the rain. There's also the fact that Freddy during the Charlie murder was WORKING ALONE. Freddy OR Fredbear, that's kinda off script, right?

[@BroskiWind]

I'm writing a retelling of five nights at Freddy's through the eyes of William Afton in the first person exclusively, And your videos have been immensely helpful, I like how you're more honest about when something doesn't make sense in a theory, and about the whole I solve blank dilemma and I just find your theory to be more cohesive.

[@PendragonTheNinja]

This sounds amazing. Are you planning on making a video with it eventually?

[@BroskiWind]

@@PendragonTheNinja no I'm just going to publish it on a03, thanks.

[@HasibHasan-q8y]

@BroskiWind I hope someday someone makes a video based on your retelling. I would love to see it.

[@codyfurst591]

Hi, what is the name of your story? I'd love to read it!

[@electric_cat_101]

Pls let us know when you publish it

[@ConfusedOctopus]

1:46 as an avid consumer of fnaf theory youtube videos, I honestly don't care that much if a theory is substantiated or backed up by any evidence whatsoever as long as it's engaging and fits thematically into the canon. Like idc who the yellow man is in mm, I just want to listen to someone tell me who they think it is for 45 minutes while I knit

[@briggleybroggley5859]

so real

[@Takejiro24]

Mood

[@pengoschwortz4734]

I really hate that KZbin has become so bland that we have to do test thumbnails to see which will manipulate people into clicking on it 🙄

[@the_br0wnie294]

Everything is for 1 goal

[@Xitol]

Thats just basic human psychology. Theres a reason clickbait, fearmongering and hate posting works, and draws people in. Even if we'd like to think we're far evolved past being emotionally manipulated by endorphins, we're not.

[@pengoschwortz4734]

@@Xitol I know why it works, but I wish we could bully creators into not doing it anymore. At least he’s honest about shamelessly doing it to farm views but anytime a creator does it it makes me value them less

[@joshclark756]

i sometimes click without even looking at the thumbnail

[@Quailbbu]

It's always been like that

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

The only problem with this theory is that one of the FNaF 2 Nightmares actively has Golden Freddy in it. Maybe it is outside of the timeline of those nightmares, but it still is a wrench in the theory.

[@EvyDevy]

That's meant to be William using the Golden Freddy suit to lure and kill the children imo. Granted, after The Silver Eyes, he's just been associating William with Spring Bonnie now.

[@MyUsersDark]

@@EvyDevy He's been associated with Spring Bonnie since Fnaf 3.

[@EvyDevy]

@@MyUsersDark Somewhat yes but only as Springtrap. He uses Shadow Freddy and he also uses Golden Freddy/Fredbear for the MCI in TSE. By PS, Spring Bonnie was his only association and everything about him using yellow bears was retconned supposedly.

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@EvyDevy William never uesed Shadow Freddy, they are diferent entities.

[@AnJelloGames]

Golden Freddy is such a major character. It’s kind of crazy we really haven’t HAD a game specific. Unless you count FNAF 4 and of course ultimate custom night

[@syksis9842]

This might be one of my favorite FNAF theories. It covers everything we know to be true regarding the killings and the loose timeline of events, but it also covers extra stuff like the shadow animatronics, which are usually just waved off as spooky and random. You’ve blown my mind again Gibi

[@stuartgalloway8674]

Yo! Original commenter here! Thanks so much for highlighting my theory, I'm a massive fan of the channel. I like your interpretation of savethem but I have some thoughts; instead of the 5 bodies being the MCI + Cassidy, what if you are playing AS Cassidy walking through the pizzeria and discovering she isn't the only one. The main reason I say this is that one of the bodies is lying next to the prize corner which says to me it could be Charlie's body. The only thing about this interpretation is that it seems a little weird for withered Freddy to be the sprite that represents Cassidy (tbf that's not the only time a minigame sprite has been confusing, *cough* followme *cough*.) Hope you're having a nice day!

[@taylorrobin8044]

I don’t know if you’ll see this but I have some questions for your Q&A videos 1. In your too long video right after phone guy dies you mention that Scott probably regrets killing phone guy because it severely limits story telling. Can you explain how that would’ve have limited story telling? Does The Week Before change your opinion on that? 2. On remnant, it always sounded to me like remnant sort of soaks into any metal around when someone dies, does this imply that since the beginning of humanity’s history with metal that there’s souls trapped in metal all over the place? Every suit of armor, every sword, rifles, knifes, cars, and so on, all could have remnant in them? Scrap yards full of souls trapped for eons to come.

[@anotherinternetsoul4515]

I believe that the remnant one might also be confusing "Agony". As far as I know Remnant is the mix of metal with a soul/energy and Agony is the "possession" of an object due to strong human emotion. So in the armors, knives, etc case it might be Agony and not Remnant

[@noravanguard]

3:45 The Unwithered Truth did a really interesting video on how he think that FNaF 1 might take place in 1989. I would recommend it.

[@BakerBones]

Yea it can't anymore. Week before almost even disproves it being '93 if you take it all as fact

[@itsPlasma06]

​@@BakerBones The video specifically uses The Week Before as proof that it can't be '93. The one page most people use as proof of it is one that can't normally be accessed without breaking the game. It's a really good video, you should check it out

[@isabelortiz1230]

​@@itsPlasma06 which page are you talking about?

[@Teker_Eonix]

​​@@BakerBones + Data from the mails in AR

[@Toaster003]

@@Teker_EonixThose were written by illumix without input from Scott. They are explicitly not meant to be used.

[@rvmp2ka]

Just a question, if Charlie dies first as an MCI victim, how does Chica’s “I was the first” line in UCN fit into everything?

[@emeliaawang572]

He did actually address this in his 9 hours fnaf video but ill summarlise it for you since 9 hours is too long to look for one thing. Basically, he thinks that the line "I was the first" does not apply to her dying first, and that it isnt the child in Chica who is speaking at that time, but it's Chica herself saying that. Saying Susie died first does not really give us anything as an audience - who cares which one died first? Since it could be Chica the animatronic saying that line, it means that Chica existed before all of the Freddy's characters and even before Fredbear's Family Diner. She was originally part of the "Mediocre Melodies" resturaunt chain which eventually partnered with Fredbear's and created Freddy Frazbear's Pizza using the medicre melody animatronic of Chica, the revamped versions of Fredbear and Spring Bonnie (making Freddy and Bonnie), and adding in a new character called Foxy. The second part of Withered Chica's voice line being "I have seen everything" does not mean she was a ghost and saw all the murders because she couldn't have seen everything since C.C's death happened before she could have possibly seen it. That line actually means that she, Chica not Susie, has seen the expansion and origins of the company. She was the first Freddy's character since she existed before William and Henry opened Fredbear's and therefore she has been there since the beginning and has seen the growth of everything. I don't know if I've explained this well but if you go to his 9 hour fnaf video here are the timestamps for when he talks about this. 6:22:42 is when he talks about the line itself, and 5:50:48 is when he talks about Chica being part of the Mediocre Melodies branch.

[@rvmp2ka]

@@emeliaawang572 I actually completely forgot he said this, it’s been a fat while since I last saw the thing (and 9 hours of info is quite hard to remember at once). Thanks for the reminder

[@wakerodgers761]

I think the four animatronics could've died first which is why Chica says "I was the first" and then William kills Charlie afterwards. I don't think the order matters much anyways right?.

[@emeliaawang572]

@@rvmp2ka np and i get that its hard to remember stuff from that long video but i just remember it cuz ive watched that video all the way through about 30 times and i watch it to fall asleep at night lol (it's actually a problem i am deeply obsessed with it)

[@emeliaawang572]

@@wakerodgers761 it doesn't really make sense for the 4 animatronics to have died first because during the insanity ending of pizzaria simulator henry mentions that all of the depravity and hurt started with "a wound first inflicted on me" meaning that william killed charlie first to hurt henry and the mci happened later

[@FANE3002]

naaaaaaa charlie pulled a yoda and joined the force ghost world

[@Placeholder-qh2ku]

Feels impressively accurate as always

[@humptydumptysat]

11:28 In order to unlocked the Puppet Plush in HW2 you have to type in the code “1983” in a drawer further implying that the novels are accurate to the death of Charlie

[@scottcaldwell4102]

None of the other methods for acquiring memory plushes are related to the plush itself, so I don't see why the Puppet one would be different. I think the 1983 code has more to do with the location (secret office in Sister Location, which in the original game also uses the same code) rather than the plush.

[@humptydumptysat]

@@scottcaldwell4102 I mean yea but for a plush of the puppet being specifically unlocked with 1983 which just so happens is the date Charlie died seems a little too obvious. Otherwise why do this?

[@scottcaldwell4102]

@@humptydumptysat Is there any evidence that Charlie dies in 1983 other than the novels? (The novels where almost none of the details cleanly map one-to-one onto the games...?) To me it makes more sense that the Puppet was built after the MCI, because it seems like the Puppet's whole purpose is to try to prevent another MCI from happening. (Keeps track of all the kids coming and going to make sure none of them go missing...) The HW2 gravestone order seems to back this up.

[@Flowermations]

@@scottcaldwell4102 Some say it's the order each of them moved on, and that Charlie dying after the MCI would apparently "ruin the timeline" or something, but that's because everyone thinks she died at Fredbears for some reason (I used to believe this until I realized there is zero evidence backing it up, nowhere is it said that the Puppet was built at Fredbear's Family Diner, how would he be if he was first introduced in freaking FNAF 2, why would Henry make a security bot to protect his daughter at Fredbears when the diner already closed due to Mike and his homies putting his lil bro Dave into Fredbear's mouth which lead to Frederick Bear giving him the kiss of death) and interpreting Henry's "a wound first inflicted on me" line as him referring to Charlotte being the first to be murdered when this "wound" could be anything, likely something to do with Fallfest that The Secret Of The MIIIIMMMIC! May reveal the reason Afton snapped, Charlie dying before the missing children doesn't really change anything, Charlie's death in the books is inconsistent so it's hard for us to know whether or not she actually died in 1983, Help Wanted 2 is literally showing us the order of which kid died to our faces and yet people deny it cause it doesn't match up with what they thought, thus leading to the whole "everything in this franchise is retconned" thing even though Scott said he only retconned one thing in FNAF and it was seamless.

[@GREENCORD-01]

​@@Flowermations1) Puppet being introduced in FNAF 2 is a dogshit argument, considering Fredbear's Family Diner was ALSO introduced in the same game. Same for William Afton lmao. 2) Ah yes, because it makes so much more sense that Henry Emily in FFPS references the Fall-Fest and not y'know, HIS DEAD DAUGHTER? 3) William Afton was always a psychopath. He was a controlling and power hungry monster who never cared about anyone other than himself.

[@Number_1_Rated_Salesman1997]

14:15 Ok but Cassidy is exclusively referred to as male in UCN. Ex. “I have seen *him* , the one you shouldn’t have killed.”

[@FlimFlemFlom]

And Puppet was referred to as a he in UCN as well, despite the spirit being a female, Withered Chica could've been referring to the gender of Golden Freddy, AKA Fredbear

[@Number_1_Rated_Salesman1997]

@ Fair

[@ASapphicKitsune]

My personal reading of SAVE THEM is ToysDCI (with JJ included under the table) but I have related theory regarding what happened to those victim's souls: A common objection is that narratively the DCI victims never come up again, which is fair. However, I wonder if the intention with FNAF 3 was that the minigames we play to bring about happiest day are actually played by the DCI victims. Notably to finish happiest day, we have to play as balloon boy, then as mangle, then as balloon boy again (notably its the only minigame that must be played twice, once for each, BB and JJ), then as Toy Chica, then as Golden Freddy in Stage01 (this is the only one that doesn't cleanly map onto the Toy animatronics but it is a Freddy I guess) then as Shadow Bonnie (which looks like Toy Bonnie). Additionally there is a box of parts containing the Toys in the office, so perhaps their spirits were in the building and possessed/interacted with the arcades? Then they would be released in the fire. I like this theory because it explains why the Toys are possessed without needing to know about soul splitting which was never even hinted at back in FNAF 2, gives the DCI kids something to do narratively and also explains the weird metaphysical FNAF 3 minigames. It also ties up why the DCI don't return after, they were ready to move on.

[@mariohalili5856]

If we do this mini games we got good ending which we can see the fine original animatronics so that means the five children in fnaf3 mini games are suise frizt Jeremy grabiel and Cassidy. Puppet wasn't because we saw her ni cameras.

[@techmark3665]

This theory seems a bit forced. I doubt that ‘save them’ was supposed to be interpreted as the mci bodies being taken out of the suits + one extra recent victim.

[@decomposingdave2902]

Why tho ?

[@techmark3665]

@@decomposingdave2902 'Save them' doesn't differentiate between the dead bodies. If it was trying to communicate that one of the bodies was a recent kill and the rest being years old, then maybe it could have shown the older bodies as being decayed in some way, or the more recent one could be in the middle of dying, to highlight its recency. The fact that no such detail was provided implies that the bodies in 'save them' would be grouped together. Additionally, in the series, Golden Freddy has always been grouped together with the 4 other classic mascots, whereas, to a certain extent, the puppet has been singled out. 'Foxy go go go' shows five bodies in the same pattern as the bodies in 'give gifts give life', implying that they are the same set of bodies. If you believe that 'Foxy go go go' is showing the mci, then it would make sense to line up the bodies with the mascot heads they are shown to have in 'give gifts give life'. This would line up the mci with the classics (including Golden Freddy, as his jumpscare comes out of the middle body). Importantly, this would exclude the puppet from being an mci victim because it is clearly a separate character from the fifth body that appears in the middle of the minigame. Finally, Scott responded to Matpat's Fnaf 2 theory, stating that he got almost everything right. Given that we now know that purple guy and phone guy are not the same character, it would make the most sense for Scott to be including Mat's interpretation of the minigames as part of what he got right (which for reference is FGGG + GGGG being the MCI, Take Cake being the puppet, and save them being a new set of victims). If Matpat had misinterpreted the minigames that greatly, it would not make sense for Scott to make his statement. Scott also made a steam community post when Fnaf 4 was the current game, expressing his disappointment that no-one was able to solve it. In the post he says that the first 3 games were solved by the community. It would be weird for him to say that if the intended interpretation of the minigames was so wildly different from the common consensus of the time.

[@techmark3665]

Update: I looked at Foxy gogogo and the bodies aren't quite in the same layout as give gifts give life. I still think that my other points stand though

[@GhostRose6500]

Yeah that’s one of my main issues with this theory, being that William removed the bodies from the suits. Like… why? It would make sense that the bodies would be removed at some point due to the animatronics themselves never been shown to have bodies inside them while we see them, but why would William of all people do this? And dump them in random spots in the location? And why do this on the same night he kidnaps and kills Cassidy? Is he trying to make it seem like someone else killed the kids and it all happened recently? That wouldn’t have worked since the bodies would’ve decayed to some degree at this point. Plus William was working as a night security guard, and like with the previous location, would be someone with a lot of access to most of the building. This is definitely gonna get him sentenced but we know he doesn’t.

[@humptydumptysat]

13:03 you’d think there would be more blood around Golden Freddy Also why is he dragging the bodies around to experiment on them

[@MyUsersDark]

Remnant

[@GendoRokabundi]

Another interesting thing this timeline does: it gives a possible purpose to one of the Candy Cadet stories. Charlie could have saved Cassidy, but was weakened as a result of helping the four MCI. Instead of saving one, all five end up doomed. On the Charlie body question: it’s possible for Cassidy to both go missing in 1985, and die in 1987. The nightmare experiment chambers. William kidnapped one child and murdered and stuffed the other four. William’s experiment was automated, so if he was missing for about two years because of say, legal troubles, he could return to a traumatized, but still alive, test subject. Save them is therefore a early version of Follow Me. Removing the bodies, killing Cassidy, and basically gathering data. Cassidy is powerful because of being basically supercharged with agony. That might also explain why William added pieces of Golden Freddy to himself. If he understood that Golden Freddy was more powerful because of all the fear experimentation and the horrific springlock death, he might have been trying to use that power himself. Most important, CassiDCI is such a banger name

[@KayceeH-t1q]

good video! had a similar thought a few months ago, but never put it to page - glad to see the thought get out there

[@noahthompson5010]

I don't know what it is but this channel makes FNAF lore seem to simple. Like I feel like I understood everything and I'm convinced . No other channel can do this to me.

[@W2nps]

7:48 Idk why but it annoys me that nobody talk about the 5° child being sad, like, why nobody came up with a entire theory jus with this sprite?

[@nanexists]

I think Scott realized early on that the fun of fnaf isn’t the story itself but instead the process of piecing the story together, like buying puzzle instead of a full picture, which is why he obscured the story so much and made it vague enough that people can interpret the story in different ways. A lot of people don’t like this, but I wouldn’t NEARLY love fnaf enough if it wasn’t so malleable.

[@ember13dp]

Great theory!! You presented it well, too! The only minor problem I have, is with Cassidy being the Midnight Motorist victim, is that HE is referred to as a boy. “Leave HIM alone, HE’S had a hard day” when Cassidy is a girl.

[@sariaswoods]

This is so random but I love that you used Fi's theme as background music at 9:15

[@fnaf-ology]

The DCI (KCI) is so thematically strange the way they're never mentioned again. I love any theory that removes it entirely. Although as others have said, i think the occams razor simplest explanation of the MCI being how its presented to us in FNAF 1 is probably correct. Still an awesome theory and video ❤

[@fnaf-ology]

Y'know what I take it back. CharlieMCI ftw

[@Dylan-q4c]

I agree about Shadow Bonnie & Freddy being connected to suits that did murders, and further I think they’re Agony beings. They’re able to appear without needing a physical suit because Agony is emphasized to be extremely powerful. The only reason Shadow Bonnie looks like Toy Bonnie instead of Spring Bonnie is because Spring Bonnie didn’t exist yet, design-wise. I believe Scott has said he designed 2 with 3 in mind so the connection is almost definitely there.

[@covereye5731]

Charlie is not a robot in the games, so I don't think Henry has enough reason to hide her. The puppet gets possessed at that moment by lying next to her and I also don't think she has enough reasons for hiding herself and letting her dad be confused on what happened to her. The only unconfirmed body hiding spot we have, is the dirtpile in midnight motorist. I think the more likely scenario, is that Afton came back realizing he should probably get rid of the evidence and that was when he finally witnesses and learned about possession.

[@Chance_Of_Chaos]

In regards to why Henry would cover up Charlie’s death. If you aren’t open to the Tales books not being canon, a lot of people think that Henry was the one who made the mimic-1 program. The motivation for this would be some way of trying to bring Charlie back. Trying to create a machine that was complex and intelligent enough for Charlie to fully be herself while possessing. This is backed up by the fact we never see Lefty burn in Pizzeria Simulator, and also in Security Breach and Ruin there are only 3 burners in the pizzeria basement, not 4. I think ryetoast has made some videos about this. So I 100% buy the concept of Henry covering up Charlie’s death.

[@GREENCORD-01]

Henry objectively is NOT an Edwin parallel. Also, nothing states in Henry's character to HIDE CHARLIE'S BODY????

[@Chance_Of_Chaos]

@@GREENCORD-01​​⁠I’m not saying he’s a 1 for 1 parallel, just that if we assume that Edwin doesn’t exist in the game timeline, then Henry was likely responsible for making the mimic, as it’s his style of engineering and we don’t know anyone else who would be capable and have the motive to do so. Plus… what do you mean it’s not in his character? He literally covered up Charlie’s death in the Silver Eyes. We only hear from him in fnaf 6 and that’s not enough to characterize him as someone who would never do something dubious for the sake of bringing his daughter back.

[@longfishy]

LONG THEORY COMMENT - I would completely agree with this theory, as it is close to solving Golden Freddy, but you got some details wrong and then stretched them to make a theory which churned up a solid foundation we had for the lore post 1983. Things I dont agree with - For obvious reasons, Charlie disproved this theory the second you mentioned her. She immediately became haunted because her body was left outside and thus found, so she wasn't part of the MCI. Not liking the fact that there was ckearly a second series of deaths and trying to make the DCI the MCI is something I've always disagreed with as there are so many differences between the events. Things I mostly agree with - Toy Chica's high school years being used for the deaths in 1985 and 1987. I think that this describes William kidnapping kids in town, hence the PG line 'whatever is going on out there', and bringing them to FNAF 2, to test possession after seeing the MCI become supernatural. After seeing an increase in aggressive behaviour at FNAF 2, hence the staring as William is there, he gets cocky, commits the brutal kidnapping of presumably Cassidy, and decides to spring lock him in the Fredbear suit to test direct contact with an animatronic. This brutal line of events causes Cassidy to become Vengeful, creates the fifth missing child that is used in the 'five missing children' 90s article, explains the moved Golden Freddy suit in Save Them and the PG line about a yellow suit being moved, and most importantly, makes the DCI far more important than we first thought! All without changing Charlie's death, or the first four MCI deaths at Freddy's. Tip for the future - if you have a new point of view, try to fit it into other timelines first, before creating an entirely new one.

[@fullaccess2645]

then what happened with the children that where kidnapped and killed in fnaf 2? Where did the bodies go?

[@longfishy]

@fullaccess2645 Well, you saw them, the kids (or most likely teens judging by the larger size of the bodies, standing up they would be almost as tall as William in Save Them) were left strewn about. Thus not causing any direct possession themselves, but probably creating Shadow Toy Bonnie.

[@fullaccess2645]

@@longfishy I meant to ask about the police investigation, there's no they found the bodies and still let William go free.

[@longfishy]

@@fullaccess2645 The Utah police are stupid, so you can't really expect them to catch anyone unless they directly see the person commit the crime in front of them. When the public reported a bad smell coming from the animatronics, the police should have looked in them for the bodies. However months seemingly pass before the original location closes, so obviously they didn't do anything.

[@zgmfx-09a]

Everything connected. Every puddle of blood accounted for. Andrews brought up just the way I like it. It's peak. Keep em coming mr devon.

[@Blastoise-1123]

I like this theory it means that no dead kid is sidelined by not being acknowledged by the story, the only thing I dislike is more of a general story then specifically this theory is that the Funtimes either didn’t kill any kids or if they did then they just aren’t plot relevant

[@mizunashi995]

new gibi vid on my day off? this will be a good day off!

[@magic8ballin]

LITERALLY! happy fall break

[@jeremymorris345]

0:22 It's Morphin Time! White Ranger Tiger Power!

[@GendoRokabundi]

Tiger Rock? The Mimic?

[@revenge3265]

18:18 - William showing up to kidnap the kid in the suit just doesnt make sense to me, especially when it could rain (which is guaranteed springlocking) and the broken glass was obviously recent enough that no one noticed it until then. Furthermore, "later that night" being an obvious reference to Charlie's murder and the racing game giving the Midnight motorist car a Spring Bonnie head decoration just screams that he is in fact William.

[@eegocey6436]

I was really hesitant to this theory at first because I was initially convinced that the dci were definitely possessing the toys, but after actually hearing you present the theory, I like it a lot. It cleans up a lot of unnecessary deaths and, as you said, doesn’t break anything. I hope this theory gets spread around more because it’s really good. Another thing I would like to bring into the conversation is midnight motorist. If this theory is correct and Cassidy was kidnapped by William , given the details of midnight motorist, isn’t it possible that midnight motorist represents the night of Cassidy’s kidnapping? If so this one theory would solve TWO of the most infamously mysterious minigames in the series.

[@Asprzyk]

As disappointing as it was, FNAF help wanted 2 confirmed that Charlie died AFTER the MCI, so it kind of ruins your timeline if you believe it (just pointing it out there. I’m also disappointed by it, but I feel like if that’s what the game is telling us, then we have to believe it) 😔

[@mariohalili5856]

Charlie was first because in mini game giver gifts given life's she give the four children life

[@Asprzyk]

@@mariohalili5856 yeah, which must mean that she died right after the MCI where she possessed the puppet and immediately helped the MCI kids possess the their animatronics. If you don’t believe me about FNAF confirming that she died after the other kids, check out Game theory’s recent FNAF videos covering the topic. (The one from a few weeks ago)

[@mariohalili5856]

@@Asprzyk and we never see dci victims never again.And also we don't see the bodies of the mci children on animatronics in fnaf2.And the last we know that William use golden Freddy custom so if Cassidy was in golden Freddy how he wear that custom?

[@Tank-lc4nw]

Never clicked so fast in my life. Been loving the channel GiBi ❤

[@Tosbur]

Me too I just checked and there wasn’t a vid I was bummed. Refreshed my page and he was up top. So happy

[@BluyMolla-fj8ql]

Me as well!!!

[@kalifogg6610]

I saw a theory not long ago where it was suggested that Cassidy was one of the two children lured to one of the back rooms. In that theory the theorist suggested that all of the missing children were tied to the bullies, younger siblings or cousins, except Cassidy. Cassidy was the friend of one of the children and they were always together. William couldn’t take that one without Cassidy witnessing it so he took them together so there wasn’t a witness who could tell police what the person in the mascot costume sounded like or what they said to get the other child to follow them.

[@edenrom2349]

I really like it. It gives cassidy more reason to be special and "the one you should not have killed" if he started experimenting on dead/dying body and if it was the painful springlock death The only issue I have with it is what did the help wanted 2 plushes wanted to tell us then? We have all the evidence Susie was the first, I wanted to think charlie was the second or 5th still in the MCI but shes still the last plush

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

No Charlie was the first death Susie was just the first MCI death.

[@poochyenajones1362]

I like this theory. The only big remaining problem is the gravestone order we get at the end of Help Wanted 2 still contradicts this theory.

[@CandiBuunny]

Another lovely work of Fnaf fanfiction based on textual evidence! And I am a HUGE fan of the name “CassiDCI”

[@redvice6210]

18:09 I take it you don’t consider the racing game lore about the midnight motor canon then? What were your thoughts on that when it was released?

[@marian9394]

I feel like it has to be an Easter egg, maybe a metaironic joke

[@sillyander]

I have never thought of this before but honestly like this theory. I wasn't really seeing the picture until you brought chicas high school years into this, and it made a LOT of sense. I've always wondered who the other victim was in and this all adds up.

[@thedarkdevil1661]

10:30 (haven't watched the rest of the vid yet) And it's the main 4 and Charlie, making the 5 MCI kids. And then Dave/CC is the outlier. The Secret 6th dead kid. The one who possesses Golden Freddy... At least, that's how my thoughts went when I first thought of this a few months ago, too. I think it's possible based on 1-4 ONLY. But I don't think it could EVER be the case NOW. 15:30 My old thoughts were CC and Cassidy have Yellow bear forms, then have forms that match their Accessory colours, whenever the other is most in control. Cassidy = Black (Golden Freddy + Nightmare) Dave/CC =Purple (Shadow Freddy + Nightmare Fredbear) But now I think they're agony made from the murders biggest murders. Shadow Bonnie = DCI Shadow Freddy = MCI/Cassidy Springlocking (Hence why they look like a dark version of GF specifically) Also Nightmare (Shadow Freddy in the files) says he's William's "Wickedness", meaning he's a result of William's deeds. (15:40 it's why Dave's death might not create a Shadow, if they're made from wickedness/misdeeds) And Shadow Freddy being formed from the MCI makes sense why they follow them to mike's Fnaf 4 dreams. And it being Cassidy's agony specifically, makes sense for why they lure the MCI kids to take out William in Follow me. 20:29 HW1 Gabriel. "I have a surprise party for you in the back. All your friends will be there" 20:40 Fritz (ITP links Foxy to Oswald and Oswald is lured by Pitt-trap waving at him.) Also Foxy's eyes are orange, if Orange Guy STILL isnt William. And the runner animatronic is the one that RAN away??

[@JonnieK2006]

YOU CAN'T JUST DROP 9:16 LIKE THAT MAN! I WAS ALMOST CRYING. I wish i still had my Wii...

[@starbonnie552]

Honestly I think the only problem I have with it is that there's more than one body and there's nothing really discerning the already dead children with the newly dead child. That and the save them thing, I know it could be singular but there's more than one so kinda expected that it's implying multiple. Despite that though yeah most of this is pretty fair, we know something happened at the location so the bodies in some form are real. The last TCHS also specifically calls out kidnapping and it feels like the best candidate for them to be the vengeful spirit they were killed and forgotten. Though I don't really think it matters where Charlie dies Fredbear's is still under Fazbear's so still connected to Freddy's that and the Chica line wouldn't work all that well at least unless they were separate incidents and just counted together or something. Also since you brought it up. Finally someone who doesn't think that stupid bonnie antenna thing is lore confirmation. It's an easter egg in an unfinished non-canon spinoff game. Why is that counted but the Freddy in Space games or Fury's Rage aren't? (fnaf world is a canon spinoff) At least in those games we know nothing will be changed. FLAPS is unfinished, we know for a fact things will change. So why are we taking clues from a demo which we haven't been told is in anyway canon especially when we have no idea if what's in the game now will stay in the game.

[@realbrobo]

look, i love this theory, but i just can’t get behind blatantly ignoring the hw2 graves. and while pointing out how in toy chica’s highschool years, the first kill aside from the foxy hook is someone with a dog is clever, it ignores the seemingly unrelated other murders. you might be able to argue the broken window connects it to the mci kid in midnight motorist, that assumes midnight motorist is even about and mci kid in the first place. personally i still thinks it’s william afton. thanks for reading

[@CombustableLemon]

Ahem... "A WOUND FIRST INFLICTED ON ME"

[@sabotagedgamerz]

I have thought far and wide about Toy Chica’s High School Years, and I’m happy you addressed them. I’ve thought about the Foxy hook representing David, and it’s probably the best explanation I could have of it; I’m not a fan of Andrew being part of it, and it being some unforeseen irrelevant victim seems very odd to me. I still have my qualms with it, but I like it. With the main part of CassiDCI, I think it’s a good and respectable theory. It gives good explanation to SAVETHEM, and also to Cassidy’s uniqueness to the other MCIs. And I’ve definitely thought about CharlieMCI before, for it does solve some problems. You’ve certainly created a nice narrative. I do oppose CassiDCI however, mainly because I just think the link between the 5 MCI, and the five Classics in FNAF 1 is too strong. I just really think 5th victim has to be Golden Freddy. Not due to evidence, but narrative. I wasn’t a fan at the time but I’d imagine people definitely linking the 5 missing kids, to the 4 animatronics, and the secret Golden Freddy. For SAVETHEM, I have no clue what I think it is. Best guess is a set of murders, that go on to do nothing or possess Toys, OR, William taking the bodies out of the suits. I like your interpretation of the Shadows, and I think Cassidy dying within Golden Freddy is very narratively pleasing to me. I still thought this was a great theory. Well done :3

[@roscoe5427]

this is a good theory. the one hang up i have though is using the orange guy≠william point. with FLAF, it's being as confirmed as lore bits get in this series that orange guy is in fact william. I know people talk about the EatR "jokes on you it's a rental" dialogue to say this guy rented the same car william used, but that's a lot of coincidences when it's being shown to us pretty clearly that orange guy is william

[@timeturnerdust6093]

if orange guy is actually william i will be furious, cos why would they randomly change the sprite colour when he's only been purple this whole time????? like in the 'save him' minigame, afton has a purple car and is *also* purple. it does rely on the springtrap thing in FLAP just being a nod to the theory instead of confirmation, but this series is so convoluted and heavily debated that Scott shouldn't have done that if it was meant to be a "haha how silly a non-canon theory"

[@roscoe5427]

@@timeturnerdust6093 my apologies if this is a bit long, i just have a hard time understanding the orange guy ≠ william takeaway from MM so I'm dropping some additional evidence from my POV there are 2 pieces of evidence from the car in FLAF, the original description(before they removed the car description feature) said that it was the perfect getaway car after committing a crime. i feel that it's far more than just a nod, especially when we're talking about scott and his series. it's a common misconception that scott has no involvement in new games, especially the ones not being developed by steelwool. scott had to look at this design, and give the OK to the currently most-debated part of the franchise with the most mysteries revolving around it. scott knows the power of including these things and wouldn't do it for the sake of "it's a nod to a theory that isn't true from a minigame from 7 years ago that is still being heavily debated". on the topic of "save him", charlie looks entirely different and was even regarded as a "him", so we really can't rely on visuals in that minigame anymore. i'll also tack on that FFPS was the next game that came out after the symbolic purple guy vs literal purple guy debate and scott would need a way to differentiate michael and william. with michael being the most recent purple guy of the two, making orange man purple would lead people to believe orange guy is mike. beyond all of this. to our knowledge, all disappearances happen at an establishment, especially at the point of FFPS. William would not wear a springlock suit in the rain, and all disappearances/murders are confirmed to happen at establishments(charlie outside fredbears(most likely fredbears, could be freddy's), MCI at freddy's, DCI at freddy's, Elizabeth at CBPW, and any funtime abductions would be at events, not outside houses in the woods). it just doesn't make sense that a child would be abducted outside of their home really any way you look at it, even including the UCN chica cutscene dialogue, which breaks our understanding of the MCI which those cutscenes are most likely referencing

[@timeturnerdust6093]

@@roscoe5427 nah all good, that's the joy of theory crafting. My response will probably be even longer hahah. idk if using the deleted description is reliable. Scott definitely has influence over the newer games, but who knows if it was him who added it, or a dev who thought it was canon b/c it's so popular. The fact it was removed is important imo, cos that could have been Scott removing it. Idk why he would add the springtrap thing though, but we have seen him make fun of theories he thinks are dumb. The fact that it's in a lore-relevant spin-off game is very frustrating. I think the visuals for 'save him' are fine - the cutscene where the puppet possesses Charlie is a totally different style. Obviously Charlie isn't a 'him' anymore, but it doesn't make the aesthetics arbitrary. My point is that Afton's representation was purple as well as his car being purple. Most ppl I've seen assumed orange guy was Afton cos the car was purple. I don't think ppl would have assumed that orange guy was Mike, since he's never been represented in orange. Like he's associated with red (foxy mask), grey (shirt) and purple (sister location), but never orange. Also, that would mean that Mike had a kid, etc. I agree that it's odd that he went to the kid's house, but we don't know the circumstances of why he did. Like, maybe there was some heat or suspicion on him and so he had to move quickly to get some more kids. I def think that the kid was killed at Freddy's, though, not outside of his house or something. It's also possible that this was Cassidy? Would make sense to show it, and it breaks the mold of what we know about the MCI victims. But then its an issue of a girl being referred to as a boy again. Idk if Cassidy had been established at the time of MM, though, so maybe they changed her to a girl? Honestly, I think the most important info we're supposed to get from MM is that Afton targeted vulnerable kids (with absentee/abusive parents, etc.) and took advantage of them and how they felt safe at Freddy's. On the topic of the springlocks: in the first part of MM it isn't raining, it only starts in the 'later that night' section. We don't know when the rain started, or when the window was broken/the kid was lured back to Freddy's. Also, MM was heavily implied to be about an MCI victim in Chica's high school years.

[@roscoe5427]

@@timeturnerdust6093 ah, to clear up a misconception, i meant orange guy being purple could lead to people thinking it's mike, my wording was to blame for that, my bad on the raining point, yeah it isn't raining in the first part, but we see that it's raining in the security puppet minigame, enough to deteriorate the puppet by the time it reaches charlie's body, so i think that's an important thing to think about in the timeline of security puppet into later that night. imo i think the rain was very intentional on scott's part, as to both deteriorate the puppet and also show that the animatronic footprints weren't a springlock suit. my personal understanding and placement of MM in the timeline and why everything is the way it is is a lot of text wall that i won't place here, but it makes sense of the footprints in somewhat of a concise thesis: all 3 lorekeeper minigames happen on the same day, fruity maze>security puppet>midnight motorist, which allows golden freddy to be the footprints, charlie to give life to the rest of the animatronics, and for the runaway to be David(i know, it sounds crazy, but the reasoning and evidence i use at least partially makes sense imo) personal understanding aside, i think it's important to note that william is also often shown as golden, so making the switch from purple to gold to avoid the purple guy confusion could have been scott's intention to show its william without much confusion, which seems to not have worked too well. i think another important connection between william and "orange guy" is that in UCN, when you complete a night, the midnight motorist music starts playing, which is a very specific inclusion in a game that we are all but confirmed to be playing as william in

[@roscoe5427]

this is a secondary response to your comment, hopefully youtube will give you the notification as i know it's neglected to do so in the past concerning replies to other comments. on the topic of the UCN chica cutscenes, the "i'll just find a window" comes after several other options, so i don't know how much i can follow it being heavily implied that it was referencing MM with the window being broken, especially considering the animatronic footprints are only in one spot, without any footprints(animatronic or otherwise) leading to or from that spot, with the only other footprints being child-sized footprints leading(most likely) from the window past the bushes. because of this, i find it hard to say that the animatronic footprints are the ones that broke the window(although i know that there is a lack of broken glass *outside* of the window which would lead one to believe that the window was broken from outside). i definitely see the connection between the dog and susie being lured, but it happens differently between the CHSY(chica highschool years) depiction and what we see in fruity maze, meaning that it could've happened fairly differently while still loosely adhering to CHSY explanations. most of the CHSY dialogues are fairly ridiculous and exaggerated, so i'm not sure how much weight i can give to the clearly delusional chica's ramblings, as i'm sure stands much the same for the actual William Afton. this is something i don't like doing much, as i don't trust the reliability of them, but the MCI posters from FNAF 1 talk about the children being abducted at freddy's in 2 series of 2 at first, and then 3 after that. this interjects with much of our understanding of the MCI, which is why i don't concern our understanding of MCI now using those clippings, but it's still important to discuss what exactly we know about the MCI at this point in time, and as well as when FFPS was released. it's real muddy if i'm being honest, trying to make sense of most things in this franchise is, but it's especially muddy outside of knowing the location it happened at

[@vanyadolly]

I've been saying for AGES that FNAF 2 is the Golden Freddie/Cassidy origin story. It's the only reason why Scott would come up with a second set of (seemingly) five murdered kids for the second game. It allows the re-shuffling with Charlie being killed at the MCI location and GF with the DCI. It had to be five more victims so FNAF2 wouldn't contradict with the news clippings. Some of them are ambiguous enough to refer to *either* the MCI or the DCI. That's the key to the whole DCI incident. Cassidy is the sixth pool of blood whose body was stuffed into the GF suit while the other five were found. This had to happen during the opening week in '87 because William was using the suit during the week according to the drawings. The FNAF2 location is a re-opening of the first location where the Fredbear suit was used and stored, which would be the logical decision for a game about the origins of Fredbear and GF. The reason we never hear about the DCI victims again is because they're not haunting the suits and their purpose in the story was fulfilled. Give Gifts doesn't imply anything about the MCI, it's only showing us the six animatronics becoming possessed. But notably it shows Charlie giving gifts to *four* bodies while the fifth body appears *after* she's done, implying that GF was killed/possessed after the others, and Charlie before them. There's no contradiction with Charlie being killed first at the first opening of the Freddy's location, assuming that it was opened before Fredbear's shut down. Which is implied in the tape recordings in FANF2. When you look at the evidence and specifically what Scott chose to add in the game, there are a lot less contradictions in the story than people assume.

[@blitzes3177]

I find it interesting that there's a body right next to The Puppet's box in SAVETHEM.

[@jeremymorris345]

I'm confused. You mentioned Chica's line of "I was the first, I have seen everything," but she still died after Charlie, if we believed Chica's HS years. Are you saying that she was the first of the two who were lured to the back? Or are you saying Charlie was just a murder before Afton had plans to kill children, and Chica was his first real "intentional" kill. Also, what are your thoughts on Golden Freddy being linked with the MCI in every other continuity.

[@syksis9842]

I obviously don’t wanna speak for Gibi, but my interpretation is that most people interpret Chica’s line to mean she’s the first of the mainline MCI victims who then possessed Chica. Charlie possesses the puppet, but she’s typically considered separate from the other MCI kids because she is Henry’s daughter, so her death is kind of a personal revenge against Henry because CC (afton’s son) dies. The Chica kid, Susie, is then the first kill he makes with the intention of testing possession, which is why “she’s the first”.

[@nikalamity]

he is saying suzie is the first of the mci, so if charlie helped her possess chica, she would witness the rest of the murders. it doesnt really make sense to have chica die first imo but it's really up in the air

[@seef25]

What about Chica saying she was the first to die?

[@Zacvh]

Since all of the animatronics are in character when they say their voice lines i think it is safe to say chica was also. So chica saying she was the first is more of saying she is the first animatronic which it’s one of the few matpat theories I agree with

[@JSheerXeno54]

the way i always figured is that the main MCI eventually went on to possess the main 5, then their spirits were released during fnaf 3, and that the funtime animatronics were made using the 87 murders. However this theory does also line up with everything too so, definitely gives me a lot to think about

[@EmotianalBrat]

Omg the way you explained the chicas highschool scene is SOOO GOOD I never thought of it!!!!

[@cullbear55]

I like this theory a lot. Way better than DCI imo. I never liked DCI from a storytelling perspective, and I always believed it was just pieces of the withereds put into the toys. I'd like to add on my own thoughts. It's also interesting to note that one of the FNaF 1 posters specifically mentions that two local children were lured into a back room. The implication is that they were paired or taken together, and I think it was Gabriel and Jeremy. The reason why I think this is because we often see Freddy and Bonnie paired together. Whether it be Shadow Bonnie and Shadow Freddy, Spring Bonnie and Fredbear, or Glamrock Freddy and Glamrock Bonnie being gay for each other. So the order would be Susie, Fritz, Gabriel&Jeremy Or Susie, Gabriel&Jeremy, Fritz At least, in my opinion. I'm still not sure where I'd place Fritz...

[@firedowns6145]

Another piece of evidence that supports this is that putting 1987 into the Custom Night for FNAF 1 triggers the Golden Freddy jumpscare.

[@skogsmyra]

the only thing i don’t understand if this was to be true is why cassidy is clearly grouped together with the mci kids in the fnaf 6 scene with all the graves… maybe i missed something but i don’t really see why scott would show us that if we were meant to associate charlie with the mci kids and see cassidy as a separate incident.

[@skogsmyra]

i also just personally take evidence from later in the series more seriously because scott was fully aware of the theorizing and how important it is to plant relevant clues, and that piece of evidence is such a deliberate lore drop that details of where the graves are placed matter a lot, in my opinion.

[@skogsmyra]

if i was to over analyze it even more, charlie being far away and up on a hill would be because her death was the furthest away (first) in the timeline (except for dave but his death was different since it was clearly an accident and not a crime)

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

She’d still be a missing kid because if she was spring-locked they would never find her body.

[@GermanFFreddy]

The one where William found a window may make sense, only if he used a Spring Bonnie replica that had no animatronic in it because it was raining, and we all know what happens if a springlock suit gets wet.

[@shaelynmartin1996]

In GiBi's super short FNAF video that everyone accuses of being way too long, he gives an easy explanation. The Later That Night is meant to be later in the night of the minigame itself (When driving on the highway) and it's not raining in the minigame. So when Spring Bonnie lured the kid out, it wasn't raining.

[@samuelharrison2048]

Dude, you mentioning William luring two kids to the back room made me remember the Scripts Scott put out back in August. One of them basically has exactly that happen.

[@GREENCORD-01]

No offense Gibi, but this theory literally RELIES on the very flawed idea of Charlie being the 5TH MCI. Not only does Charlie die in a much more different way than the MCI (She was killed outside the location, instead of being lured in the saferoom), but she's literally NOT a "Missing" child? Her body was literally laying in the alleway, with the fucking PUPPET hugging her. If anything, she'd be a "DCI" victim more. Overall, the simpler conclusion (Cassidy is the 5TH MCI) makes more sense.

[@samaaalshawhati8155]

I don't believe this Theory but I think there could be one answer that can solve it Freddy's is a shity company phone guy state the if a person dies their that they were just report the person as missing and I heavily doubt that Freddy's didn't know about Charlie dying they were possibly the first ones to find her

[@GREENCORD-01]

​@@samaaalshawhati8155Charlie's death also happens before the MCI btw, Henry literally says that the "wound" (Charlie's death) was first inflicted on him.

[@kingloucifur8086]

Rereading the newspaper articles recently, I came to the same conclusion that the business going under after 'many years' was more contemporaneous with the FNAF 1 Freddy's restaurant, but I notice something else that I'd like a response to if you have time, given that you said otherwise in this video. The first article says that the suspect was identified thanks to video surveillance and that police only 'think' he used a mascot suit. It is only in the second article reporting five missing children where the use of a costume is stated as fact. To me, that sounds like William was in fact caught on camera and that either eyewitnesses saw Spring Bonnie/Freddy leading the children away or Ralph's message from FNAF 3 where he says the Spring Bonnie costume had been 'noticably moved', right after stating that employees should not be leading customers into the safe rooms. Granted, we don't know exactly what was caught on video. Maybe it was William leaving the room without the costume after the time the children were reportedly lured away. We can't be certain. But I would argue that William was in fact the one identified as a suspect. Of course, and I agree with you on this, "Nothing was ever proven in a court of law" as the bodies were never found and, likely, William was never seen with the children directly, therefore despite what the headline of the second article says, he was not in fact convicted, only charged. Headlines are the hotbed of embelishment.

[@medhathefni9485]

Actually. No. what Andrew was the one who was killed in the DCI because he couldn't have been killed anywhere else in the Timeline it just makes sense for him to be the fifth kid in that specific incident

[@alexschneider1667]

I always thought it was weird that 5 kids would all die around the same time in similar circumstances, but Cassidy SPECIFICALLY would be the one you should not have killed. I think this makes a lot of sense as to why she is so important. It also explains the “wound first inflicted on me” line, she was the first mci kid, and Henry feels he is at fault for not being able to stop William. It just makes more sense that he’d be more invested in the murders since his kid was involved, rather than the previously assumed time skip where he left the company. (I also think that crying child is still first, but since it was an accident, Henry isn’t counting him)

[@NguyenZander]

13:28 how would William have the blood but not the body? And how would there still be blood if it was 2 whole years? And also if Charlie was killed first why would the first two missing children reported be the back room ones and not Charlie as she was also easily connected to Freddy's?

[@somewhatdweeb5194]

Were the two children lured to the backroom the first victims, or the last two that caught police attention the following morning, allowing them to connect the other three disappearances to Freddy’s prior?

[@NguyenZander]

@@somewhatdweeb5194 if Charlie were the first wouldn’t it make more sense they knew about her first, especially since she was the literal owners daughter? They would put her in the newspaper along with the 2 lured in the back room.

[@holycat9609]

7:15 I feel like the into the pit game helps prove this, because in one of the endings for it he becomes foxy, but also in the game he sees the kids on the chair dead already while the spring Bonnie costume just stares at them. But he also lead him to the room I general

[@TheSunsetHero256]

My favorite part of GiBi is that he's actually working to create a unified theory of FNAF. Other channels will just use the pieces of the games that's convenient. GiBi, the absolutely madlad that he is, is going to explain how "phone guy's voice can be heard in FNAF 4" and "there are no easter eggs in FNAF 4" can both be true. This time he's looking at "SAVE THEM", which I consider to be the most esoteric minigame in the franchise. Okay, it's the origin story of The Vengeful Spirit... That's why there's "5 MCI", but six pools of blood. It's consistent with the Golden Freddy jumpscare that occurs after like two frames of a fifth body in the GIVE LIFE mini-game, implying The Puppet never "gave life" to Golden Freddy. So why is Mangle moving around? Is it because none of the Withered Animatronics' parts were used to maintain it, like the other Toy Animatronics? BB and JJ don't appear in the minigame. If they did, maybe they'd also move around? Also Mangle's sprite has "he was here". Weirder still is that if you touch any of the corpses, or Mangle, the minigame stops (crashes?). Purple Guy touching you briefly gives a "You can't" message, obvious when "SAVETHEM" is on repeat in the background, and also the screen flashes blue instead of red before stopping. Most importantly, the only characters moving around are Withered Freddy, spawning in one of the rooms he can show up in in FNAF 2, Mangle, and Golden Freddy who teleports around. I kinda thought it was something Scott either retconned, or moved away from over the years, because it doesn't fit neatly with any other detail across the franchise. Like, yeah, we can kinda use it hear, but there's weird details that still don't connect to anything or make sense on their own.

[@Trontotario]

This brings me to that page on the survival logbook where faded text asks the question “was your favourite ride the carousel?” Whoever this question is directed to the character has to have a relation with the FNaF 2 location

[@Cloveinti_Uno59232]

This theory makes a lot of sense to me. I agree that Cassidy really is an enigma of the series, and a new focus of their sole death in the FNaF2 location really ties things together. However, all of this discussion has a cloud above it ready to rain on the parade. The grave order from Help Wanted 2. Everything was fine until the Puppet was put last, and this applies very explicitly to this video. CassiDCI fits perfect if Charlie dies before the other MCI victims (Susie+1 is lured, other 3 are tacked on due to the short time frame). But not only is Charlie after the MCI 4, but is also after Cassidy. I'll say it again. Everything was fine until the grave order happened. We finally get a very clear implication of the order of events---and it doesn't make sense with the info we have. At this point it might make more sense if the Puppet was a Mimic (putting the kids inside the suit on Afton's behalf [Edit: Alibi-related?] ) and Charlie was killed outside the FNaF2 location (the nightmares show the now-possessed Puppet 'waking them up' in the FNaF1 location after they were taken apart and put back together. Edit 2: I'M BACK. I couldn't stop thinking about it so i got one last addition. If i want to double down on Charlie dying at the FNaF2 location, I want to ask a question. What if Give Gifts meant something else? Maybe even "Save Them"? I'll cut to the chase on this one. MCI happens (because of CassiDCI I only have 4 bodies now, my biggest flaw) --> Cassidy is abducted and springlocked --> Charlie is killed and possesses the Puppet (+tear marks on the mask, very important!) --> Save Them. Afton dismantles the other animatronics and removes the bodies, testing either/or 1. undoing the possession and 2. creating a new haunted animatronic --> Save Them is Charlie putting the MCI 4 back together. Slight option here is Cassidy. Their 1-frame appearance is either because... well it's Cassidy or because *they're already in the suit.* Afton killed them by springlock. --> Bite of 87 is a retaliation after Charlie interferes. Edit 3: Real quick. I think something unutilized is the Puppet's tears. Baby's eyes turn green, Security Puppet Minigame doesn't have tears. A+B=Ghost Logic. The Puppet is def possesed for both Save Them (he's dismantling them [Puppet gets away]) and Give Lifts/Life (Puppet is seen putting suit heads on bodies). If we have to accept that the Puppet dies last, then we need new definitions to these two minigames. I think these ones have minimum contradictions to the story. Finally, there's the 🐘 in the room. If Afton kills 6 kids, and CassiDCI subtracts 2, where's the 5th MCI? My only option here in the grave I've dug is a hail mary: Elizabeth or David (CC). We've never been given an explanation as to how Afton sweeps her death under the rug. She got a face full of gas leak and died @ Circus Baby's? There's no body he *could* show for that. Still, I'll go with Dave Afton. With what I've already proposed, we need a fifth body for Save Them. He'd have to remove Dave's body to put Cassidy in Fredbear.

[@Flaaffity]

I feel like golden freddy not having an endo makes an even worse death too. Like it's literally just the lock mechanisms piercing the body vs the endo and locks? Sounds like a much slower and agonizing death lending golden freddy the darker influence fueled by rage and angony.

[@lastsynapse]

This is so enticing narratively as well!! Many people struggle to give a valid explanation of why William ends up putting the DCI bodies in the suits. But if he first kills Charlie, and realizes the puppets possession, and is then motivated to recreate it with the remaining four active animatronics, his reasoning is a little more relative. I also never liked the idea that he would use all five suits in the DCI because the main characters are Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy. Golden Freddy is separate and it makes sense for the scrapped Golden Freddy suit to be his last thought for where to put a body years later. New theory: EvaporatingCharlie lol

[@BakerBones]

another note is when entering 1987 in fnaf 1's custom night, you get the golden freddy jumpscare. more evidence to back this up

[@thecorrected7401]

The only thing I really want someone to explain for me in a way I can be okay with is the whole Puppet giving life instead of William stuffing the kids into the bodies debate. Willy stuffing them as an experiment to replicate Dave haunting Golden Freddy makes sense to me. The Puppet doing it is weird, because if the Puppet is the one with the ability to bestow life instead of William, why in every name for Heaven would it go ahead and “give life” to a Springtrapped William? Surely it and the spirit of the MCI kids that we se chase him into the suit would have denied him that second life and given him oblivion instead? I don’t know, maybe someone has a satisfying answer, but for me I am leaning to William learning about Dave possessing Golden Freddy and stuffing the kids into the animatronics to replicate that phenomena himself.

[@Toaster003]

Charlotte absolutely died at Fredbear’s though, and the newspaper about five children going missing states that ALL of them were lured to the back, not just two.

[@SonicFabear]

1:Freddy's was opened in 1983 and closed in late 1985 because of the children 2: that's Freddy because it's the same color as the give gifts give life game and if that was fredbear Gabriel would had possessed fredbear which makes no sense

[@Toaster003]

@@SonicFabear I meant the Fredbear’s *building,* after the Bite of ‘83 but before it closed down. There’s evidence in Pizzeria Simulator that Charlotte’s death was at the same building as FNaF 6 takes place, and it ain’t Freddy’s. Narratively it makes sense for Charlie to die after the bite but before the MCI, but at the Fredbear’s building. The fredbear characters were probably replaced with Freddy’s characters after the bite, explaining the cakebear sprite.

[@kerry14]

I'm not a big fan of CassiDCI (reasons others have stated in the comments) but I really like how you laid out how the victims of Toy Chica could be explained. Great video regardless

[@CptRennett]

“I just want to assure you that what ever is going on out there, however tragic it may be, has nothing to do with our establishment.” I guess it makes more sense that phone guy would down play it so much if there was only one missing child in FNAF 2.

[@mouseyboy427]

Shadow Bonnie is an important part of Happiest Day and “putting him back together.” I know the shadow animatronics were an afterthought for this theory, but shadow Bonnie’s many depictions do seem to contradict the ideas presented in my eyes.

[@Ariana000V]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING FOR SO LONG, thinking that William just killed 5 more kids randomly and Scott just… didn’t do anything about it? THANK YOU

[@Drake-xl1cu]

A lot of people will say that Charlie couldn’t have died at the fnaf 1 location because side there’s no puppet, but that makes sense. If the puppet is active as an animatronic in fnaf 2, then when she’s killed and merges her soul with the puppet they would obviously scrap/stop using the puppet by the time fnaf 1 happens

[@LeaveMeAlone3-c5b]

It genuinely boggles my mind how little anyone talks about the spring-locked Cassidy theory because it is genuinely so obvious once you connect all of the dots and the evidence has been here for so long. Her being the only kid to have not been stuffed in GGGL, the phone call implying that a kid was killed via a yellow suit and then golden Freddy coming back on that night implying that golden Freddy killed a child so a kid was killed by a suit but not by luring them with it, the imagery of golden Freddy twitching in the same way Springtrap twitches, the AR audio of golden Freddy that sounds like a spring lock failure, his heavy association with water etc

[@LouBuyack]

This was such an amazing theory thank you for opening my eyes to something new.

[@AVol_0]

For me as DCI killings hater, this theory is pretty nice. I have been believing for some time now, that the "save them" minigame does not represent the killing, but, rather, William doing something with the MCI bodies. But I have a few problems with it, and I'm gonn a propose my own little theory/solutuion. The "Take cake to the children" minigame is really problematic. It's really hard to conclude anything from it. Some people say that it's freddy, based on the color, some people say that it's fredbear, based on the color too (though his sprite in the files does in fact share color with another sprite that's "freddy"). The cake. Why are they serving a cake in a pizzeria? If it's a birthday, then it's not weird. But still, why would Scott want to represent Freddy Fazbear's PIZZA with a cake? Maybe he did that to show that it's actually not a pizzeria? But in FNAF Pizza sim, which begins with a minigame, where f̶r̶e̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶w̶s̶ ̶p̶i̶z̶z̶a̶ ̶a̶t̶ gives pizza to children. Did Scott want to clarify that it's actually Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in "save them"? So, I'm not arguing for "fazbear's" or "fredbear's" here, what I want to say is that it's one of the most flexible parts of the fnaf lore. Sorry for that ramble. An important detail: Golden freddy is already active and can do his usual teleportation tricks in "save them", even though the body is not inside the animatronic. For me it sounds a little weird that Cassidy has just been killed, and she already teleports around the pizzeria, like it's something regular. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it just doesn't sit with me. Unless you meant that Cassidy got killed some time, before the cutscenes. Another important detail is that golden freddy is THERE in the dream cutscenes in fnaf 2. This need an explanation too. You could say the cutscenes take place in different years, but that'd be kinda awkward, and placing them all in the time of around fnaf 1 would be easier. Lastly, the evidence overall is not that strong and there isn't much of it. Plus, it clashes with other media - the books and maybe the movie (arguable). I know that you addressed this in the video and that's fair, but idk, doesn't feel right. In conclusion, the theory in itself is pretty interesting, but I think it needs some more work. I'm not really trying to disprove it with the stuff above, but rather highlight the weak points of this theory. Maybe it sounds much more convincing in your head, but for me as a random viewer the video lacks something, I think there needs to be more explanation, details and ties with some other thing in the story. I actually read some other comments, and they got some really good points. So I hope that you can revise this theory and make a part 2 or something, because it's really cool and gives food for thoughts since it's an unusual take on what happens in the story. So, now on to my own thoughts. (That's not really a theory or an explanation, it's actually more like just my thought about the fnaf 2 story) I've believed for a while now that "save them" minigame depicts Afton taking the bodies out of the suits for experimenting or some other reason. Maybe it's because of this, puppet is able to "give life" to the children. The fnaf 2 minigames could be depicting the overall "progression" of the story. "Save him" shows us charlie dying, foxy "go go go" minigame shows the other five dying (not 1 to 1 with what actually happened at all). "Save them" shows William taking the bodies out of the costumes, while puppet tries to intervene in some way. And "give gifts" shows us puppet giving life to the kids. Perhaps the events happen in this order. Charlie gets killed, William notices that the puppet got possessed, after some time he tries to replicate this and kills 5 more children over some time. His attempts all fail, the animatronics are not possessed (besides Cassidy maybe), then he goes to take out the bodies to do more experiments or get rid of them, this time puppet tries to intervene, she somehow manipulates freddy (since he's not yet possessed, maybe it's some special technology) into going after William, but it doesn't help much, Charlie wants to try and give life to the kids and puts them back into the animatronics, but this time gives some of her remnant to them, which makes animatronics possessed and around that time the pizzeria reopens. Now, there are some problems here, like why don't puppet do anything earlier. This may be explained by them being in separate locations before fnaf 2. But I found that this theory could fit with the hw2 gravestone order. If the MCI takes place before Charlie's death, that could explain why she didn't do anything before fnaf 2 location - she was killed in the fnaf 2 location, that also could explain the phone guy talking about stuff that's "happening outside", because Charlie does actually get killed outside, while Cassidy gets killed inside the pizzeria, if she died by getting stuffed into an animatronic. There are more details I could talk about, but actually dislike the theory, and I'm too lazy, and it's already taken too much time. Now it frustrates me, because both theories are somewhat compelling and both explain different things, but they are kinda the opposites of each other and they both have some flaws (the Charlie after MCI has a ton). But I really hate the Charlie after MCI theory, because it just doesn't feel right, and I have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to fit it into my image of the story. So yeah, kinda just throwing my thoughts out there. 18:08 coping (sorry 🥺, it's just that unless they change the thing in flaf on release, there really isn't any hope for the theory, don't mean to offend)

[@phillybobjr461]

this was actually really cool, gonna share this with some friends. and yeah, the only but I was lost with is what happened to Charlie's body. i really like this fanfic though.