Jiu Jitsu When You're Old

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VIDEO DESCRIPTION
Rick Ellis talks about the challenges of being an older athlete in BJJ.

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@jameslyons6655
@jameslyons6655 3 жыл бұрын
56 purple. Just went back in after a two year break due to injuries ( on and off the mats). If you are on the mats at all, regardless of belt level, in your 50s or beyond please realize that you’ve already won. If you get submitted every roll, if you get submitted by lower belt, if you feel your jiujitsu is not progressing or in my case retrograding, it doesn’t matter. Just being in the mix is good enough. Relax, have fun, avoid injury and try to be in the moment.
@surfside-hj2ue
@surfside-hj2ue 3 жыл бұрын
What's the payoff? It's not like you're in competition going for the gold.
@victornice858
@victornice858 2 жыл бұрын
JL, great comment!
@loganlogan9095
@loganlogan9095 2 жыл бұрын
51 and a white belt. You hit the nail on the head sir!!
@chetjarosz6359
@chetjarosz6359 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Just being able to do it is a blessing!
@wherrera
@wherrera 2 жыл бұрын
45 purple going into 2nd ACL reconstruction next wk. Great comment, just want I needed!
@boyertb
@boyertb 3 жыл бұрын
“Train for the joy of training” As a 52 YO white belt, this has to be my mantra every time that I step into my academy.
@coachlamont1083
@coachlamont1083 3 жыл бұрын
Me too man don't give up.
@shaunclubberlang2887
@shaunclubberlang2887 3 жыл бұрын
You're doing a great thing. Took up Judo at 51.
@jt5899
@jt5899 3 жыл бұрын
at any age, more harm than good to pressure yourself beyond your limit, know your limit
@RobertGarcia-wb4hy
@RobertGarcia-wb4hy 3 жыл бұрын
50yr old no-belt here. But man, this guy has me interested in trying this.
@boyertb
@boyertb 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertGarcia-wb4hy I am three months in, and I’m addicted. I just need to stop thinking that I’m a young man, because it’s caused me to hurt myself. If you do it, which I recommend, pace yourself, and enjoy the process.
@ByronC900
@ByronC900 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 34 years old, and I feel old in a sport that is flooded with 16-20 year olds. Watching this video and reading these comments from the guys in their 50's and 60's really motivates me. You all are an inspiration.
@johnnyb2799
@johnnyb2799 Жыл бұрын
Hey Dulu, I’ve been an athlete my whole life, and I just turned 60 in June of 22. I just earned my first stripe on my white belt. I realize my place on the mat and where I’m at in life. I continue nonetheless in doing the things I’m drawn to and I’m drawn to jiu jitsu. I want to be smooth and patient in my pursuit of this game. This is what I’ve learned for life in general. That, and respect of others. Peace brother.
@blockaderunner
@blockaderunner Жыл бұрын
@@johnnyb2799 I'm in my mid-to-late 40s and I just started. They give me nothing but blue belts. I'm a big guy at 200 lbs 6'1." I can jump rope for an hour plus, run 4-8 miles, shadowbox, pullups, chinups etc have been my routine for the past 3 years. All other white belts are paired with other white belts. The blue belts are having their way with me. I fatigue by the end of the hour and I've been sick (just a malaise and lack of energy) this past week but kept going to class. I'm better now after going to the doctor over the weekend and think I'd do better this week. I don't try too hard as I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
@CalebSpears1
@CalebSpears1 Жыл бұрын
I’m young and I’ve been training 2.5 years. I can tell you not trying too hard is exactly the right strategy. Feeling peoples weight, feeling where I have gaps to move or mechanical advantage is the only way my game gets better. If I try to use athleticism or explode, I only get worse at the art of jujutsu.
@biglj822009
@biglj822009 Жыл бұрын
I'll join bjj at the age 37 and now I'm 40 years old I don't feel no different than I was what I was in my twenties teens in my twenties doing physical sports. it's all about taking care of your body and conditioning at any age because I see 20 years get injured in a match all the time but the point is it doesn't matter how old you is it's about how you take care of your body the condition your body to take any type of abuse and to make sure that you take couple days to rest for your recovery so you can heal for your injuries. y'all act like once you get to your 30s or 40 50 you just fall apart that's not true because when you turn 30 you just hitting your prime as a man what you got another 20 years because your prime does not end as a man when she turns 60 years old and depends in the old age how you take care of your body before you turn 60. when it comes to war I don't think any age matters.
@jimmygamiao5528
@jimmygamiao5528 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the validation. I started Jiujtsu at age 49. I’m 60 years old now and a brown belt and I’m addicted to this incredible journey. Jiujtsu has done so much to improve my health, flexibility, strength, cardio. Thank you for this incredible video. From Hawaii…Osss
@redwave96734
@redwave96734 Жыл бұрын
🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
@marceloguimaraes4035
@marceloguimaraes4035 Жыл бұрын
Brother... I don't even know you but I wish I could give you a hug, man. I just turned 50 and I am wondering if I should start. I am afraid of injuries. I've had my fair share of them already by being an active guy. But your message, in so many words, says: "your 60-year-old self will thank you for embarking on this journey right now. Do it!" So... thanks!
@patrics.5451
@patrics.5451 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful Story. Thanks for sharing. I am 49 and thinking about to start BJJ 🙂
@bretparker6172
@bretparker6172 3 жыл бұрын
I’m starting at 62. Thank you.
@SenseiShah
@SenseiShah 3 жыл бұрын
That makes two of us! 💪👍
@njmike9784
@njmike9784 3 жыл бұрын
Get it!!!!
@tomanderson848
@tomanderson848 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I'm 65 today. The toughest opponent is my ego. In my brain, I'm still 18. The best line (of many) for me was, "Train for the enjoyment of training." Was rolling with a new guy today. He getting a "late start" at 36.
@kennymccorkle1386
@kennymccorkle1386 3 жыл бұрын
I started a 63 and love it
@MrMrbrianbechtel
@MrMrbrianbechtel 3 жыл бұрын
That's fxcking awesome man. Congrats. Focus on drilling, get everything polished and u will progress quickly
@snoyl11
@snoyl11 3 жыл бұрын
I'm almost 70. All this is right on and so true. At some point you just do it for the love of the game and the challenge. you can still be a beast ... just don't get in a fight with a 20-year-old, 250lb kid ... :) I'm never going to quite this shit. Too much fun.
@kramepilef
@kramepilef 3 жыл бұрын
Rock on!
@Rk-os1sm
@Rk-os1sm 3 жыл бұрын
Great work - keep rolling!
@bp6877
@bp6877 3 жыл бұрын
You can fight with the 20 year old....it'll just take you 6 to 8 months or longer to recover! :)
@Marcoshary
@Marcoshary 3 жыл бұрын
Great, mate! Way to go
@coachlamont1083
@coachlamont1083 3 жыл бұрын
Good advice keep pushing .
@frankcorso2607
@frankcorso2607 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this presentation. 72 year old white belt that started the Gracie Combatives course and loving it. Your advice is a great help to keep me motivated.
@ronaldpurdy9587
@ronaldpurdy9587 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm starting at 62 in a week or so. I needed to hear from someone my age or older. It sure helps with my doubts.
@MatthewEngelson
@MatthewEngelson 3 жыл бұрын
45 year old brown belt here, it’s never too late to start, I promise. As older athletes the best piece of advice I can give is be very selective who you roll live with. Safety first is so true.
@allancross2105
@allancross2105 3 жыл бұрын
I am 40 brother and started 6 months ago....
@justinmarkow6117
@justinmarkow6117 3 жыл бұрын
So true!
@MatthewEngelson
@MatthewEngelson 3 жыл бұрын
@@allancross2105 keep going!!!
@allancross2105
@allancross2105 3 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewEngelson thank you my brother
@kai19821
@kai19821 3 жыл бұрын
At what age did you start?
@GramJujitsu_Carnivore
@GramJujitsu_Carnivore 2 жыл бұрын
59 year old, received my Purple belt this week. I’m 5’1 at 118 lbs. I get smashed often. I returned recently after three month injury recovery. I should have declined the roll that injured me. As I progressed in my jujitsu I got more excited. I need to remember, when I first started I was not concerned about belts, just the journey. I used to say “no” more often also. It is a wonderful journey. I do feel like I’m in my twenties. It’s like being a kid again with my brothers and sister. Saturday morning wrestling . I also like simple. Fancy can be for the younger generation. Roll to roll another day. Great talk! Thank you!
@janiceetter5259
@janiceetter5259 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I really needed to hear this. I am a 61 year old, small, female blue belt.
@michaelchen3208
@michaelchen3208 3 жыл бұрын
I started BJJ 2 years ago at the age of 62 after Retired. Still white belt, I have been doing really well. I know BJJ is already part of my rest life for fitness and joy. I totally agree with Professor and work on the detail mechanics of the technique. I have the full confidence to stay on mat forever.
@michaelchen3208
@michaelchen3208 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you train bjj?
@rpiresleite
@rpiresleite 3 жыл бұрын
What an inspiration!!!
@paulcolloff3617
@paulcolloff3617 3 жыл бұрын
Love success stories ❤
@johnvansplinter3874
@johnvansplinter3874 3 жыл бұрын
Just started at 62 with no ACL in my right knee and no bursa in my left knee. There’s a sense of pride that you have when you leave the gym realizing you just lasted over an hour with people half your age. I have to admit that all my prior martial arts training means little in this new environment. I also must say the addiction is real, I’m hooked.
@fitgma4290
@fitgma4290 3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I needed to hear, and my husband has been telling me this too! I'm a 54 year old female blue belt, started at 51 years old. But of course, just like you, I'm 24 in my mind. This is such good advice.
@GrumpyOldGuy777
@GrumpyOldGuy777 3 жыл бұрын
Thats inspiring to hear. Respect!
@fitgma4290
@fitgma4290 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrumpyOldGuy777 thank you!!
@docabj
@docabj 3 жыл бұрын
You are amazing! Glad you are working on keeping perspective but staying with it! BJJ needs more women like you!
@anotheryogateacher8499
@anotheryogateacher8499 3 жыл бұрын
when my wife won't listen to me i just find a youtube video that tells her the same thing i"ve been trying to tell her. its like magic.
@ccrass4443
@ccrass4443 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@rickybarksdale7150
@rickybarksdale7150 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 38 years old but my body has been through the ringer, 8 years of the Army, 8 years Kyokushin karate, 4 years Muay Thai and now being a stunt man. Some days it sucks that my body can’t keep up the same way when I was 18. Now I’m reading comments of men old enough to be my dad and it’s motivated me to keep driving forward, I really love this art and that’s why I keep pushing through it.
@mars.hansen
@mars.hansen 3 жыл бұрын
Same boat here. 15 yrs Air force. 10 of those EOD. I just started, but keep trying to stay the path so I can do this until I die.
@edjohn1986
@edjohn1986 2 жыл бұрын
Same here Army paratrooper, wrestled in high school, karate in middle school. 38 and I’m one week into BJJ and I’m inspired to go till I’m dead.
@JH-me1gc
@JH-me1gc 2 жыл бұрын
@@mars.hansen HUA I’m Air Force reserves 315 SFS Joint Base Charleston. I’m 42 and signed up today for BJJ in Ga.
@KarmaFlight
@KarmaFlight 3 жыл бұрын
I had this very conversation with Roy Harris about 6 months ago. He told me that it is imperative to learn to say no as an older guy.
@derekfriedrichs
@derekfriedrichs 3 жыл бұрын
Roy Harris is a legend. I've learned more from watching him then anyone else.
@opinionmaximus
@opinionmaximus 3 жыл бұрын
I asked him the same exact question when we had him for a seminar a few years back (2017?). We're having in back in Sept, CAN'T WAIT. ❤😁
@amancio2446
@amancio2446 3 жыл бұрын
A little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing (48 y.o.) White belt. 🤙🏽
@silverfox8801
@silverfox8801 3 жыл бұрын
Me too 🤙🏻🤙🏻
@kmno2168
@kmno2168 3 жыл бұрын
Me too 🤙🏻
@NobodyNewsNetwork
@NobodyNewsNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
38 here. Just signed up with an MMA gym.
@bryanmcdermott77
@bryanmcdermott77 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. 🤙🏻
@danielkeene3852
@danielkeene3852 3 жыл бұрын
47 here and just got started.
@wcpassegai9979
@wcpassegai9979 3 жыл бұрын
As a 68 year old martial artist just resuming training (my wife was ill for a long time) I very much enjoyed this one - wish me luck.
@davidecapps65
@davidecapps65 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir...As a46 year old blue belt, I needed this.
@wesleydaub8002
@wesleydaub8002 3 жыл бұрын
Any tips for a 32 year old man thinking about starting this sport? Injury recovery time is the only thing that I'm starting to notice at my age compared to 18-23 year olds.
@matthewcrawford4216
@matthewcrawford4216 3 жыл бұрын
@@wesleydaub8002 tap early, and tap often. No point letting yourself get injured for the sake of pride. You are far better off at your age than you think. I did army basic training @ 33 and crushed the kids. At 45 it's much harder to keep up with the young guns in the gym but I still do. Listen to your body and let yourself rest when you need recovery.
@wesleydaub8002
@wesleydaub8002 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewcrawford4216 doing Army basic training at 33 and crushing the kids has officially earned my respect!! I'll pay attention to your comment about not getting hurt and taking the tap. I did Karate and Muy Thia for twelve years from 10-22 but ended up tearing the tendons in both my knees at 22 and I was hadycaped for three years. I picked up Compound Archery while I had my lower body hadycap and have been doing it since ten years later. "Once a Martial Artist, always a martial artist" as the saying goes and I've been itching to get back into the game for a while.
@seabeebillm
@seabeebillm 3 жыл бұрын
54 yo blue belt who’s body is literally falling apart from a lifetime of football, wrestling, judo and powerlifting...this is such great advice Professor, thank you!!
@josephbriggs9790
@josephbriggs9790 3 жыл бұрын
68 & 3hip replacements and still grinding
@Seven-gf7uo
@Seven-gf7uo 3 жыл бұрын
There’s a word for people like you “warrior” 😎
@aceofspades7605
@aceofspades7605 3 жыл бұрын
Good for you Joseph! I have been putting off getting mine replaced and living with the pain for years for fear it would end my journey. I am always inspired when I learn there are people that have undergone hip replacement and continue to train BJJ. I wish more would share their experiences.
@kennethcurtis1856
@kennethcurtis1856 2 жыл бұрын
@JOSEPH BRIGGS just had my staples removed of my 2nd full hip replacement at almost 70s, who has COPD. Looking into the fisibility of starting jiu jitsu.
@herberthenderson9453
@herberthenderson9453 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 62 and doing jujitsu for the first time after years of interest. This video is so helpful in preparing me for what could possibly be in store for me. Also the stressing of safety and understanding my limitations as an older participant. Thanks.
@ArtesianSpringOM
@ArtesianSpringOM 7 ай бұрын
I’m almost 47 and just started BJJ after watching my sons participate for the past five years. Thank you for sharing your experience. This helps me know that it’s ok to say no and not allow my ego to put me in a bad situation.
@charlespalmer5014
@charlespalmer5014 3 жыл бұрын
I am 60 been training 25 years. I am dealing with sciatic nerve problems & spinal stenosis. 😒 I feel good when I roll but I pay for it! My cardio is good, thankfully. I keep telling myself any defeat other than death is just psychological!
@Cindy_istopforheartrocks
@Cindy_istopforheartrocks 3 жыл бұрын
Started 4 years ago at age 58. 4 stripe Blue. The reality is that even our coaches don't know this. My coaches are in their early 20's. Thank you for this!
@kramepilef
@kramepilef 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 56 and just started jiu-jitsu about a month ago. I needed this. My body reminds me every morning after class that I'm not in my 20s any more.
@mariowajrak3868
@mariowajrak3868 3 жыл бұрын
Get in the sauna every day for 15 minutes
@waynecolombo7405
@waynecolombo7405 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. I started Jiu-jitsu six months ago. I can relate to everything Mr. Ellis is saying. I am 74. My Buddy is 69. Learning and staying in shape is the goal. Belts are not the goal. Our instructor and the other students understand when I sit out from time to time. Great bunch. I think that having us older students in training motivates some of the young students.
@tamaskep4902
@tamaskep4902 3 жыл бұрын
You are amazing! Really inspiring
@andrewkarl5174
@andrewkarl5174 2 жыл бұрын
At 64, 3rd degree brown belt in judo, 2 stripe blue belt, one side benefit, is just hanging out with all these young people. They think us older guys are cool. Tap early, tap often, have fun, stay cool.
@Roll_Vids
@Roll_Vids 3 жыл бұрын
I have to join with all the oldies here who thank you for this video. Inspiring!
@congac33
@congac33 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a 56 year old Black Belt and have been training on and off since 1995 (consistently since 2010). This is absolutely spot on! Thanks for taking the time to share!
@qn8jlot453
@qn8jlot453 3 жыл бұрын
I am 54 years old and full of injuries. I find myself in these explanations Thank you for your video
@TimMcIntire
@TimMcIntire 3 жыл бұрын
This is really valuable. As a 51 year old blue belt, I needed that reminder that the progress is going to be slower than my dumb brain tells me it should be.
@hoppy760
@hoppy760 3 жыл бұрын
In my late 50s and started to notice my cardio going down only just a couple of years ago. Been a black belt since 42 years old and have been very fortunate to be able to roll hard all these years without sustaining any major injuries. I can still redline and my bpm are typically at around 150-160 after a roll. Yes I can still roll hard, but try to limit the movement and scrambles. Getting old sucks but I believe adding other types of training can definitely help. Biking or compound weightlifting movements like kettle bells or cleans helps get that heart rate up too and will help your jiu jitsu. I actually feel better if I train twice a day. Doesn’t matter if it’s just an easy jog. It all helps. With that said, I am not your normal old guy. I am used to working out. Haven’t really stopped since I was a teen. I was a competitive runner and cyclist before I started training jiu jitsu.. And even trained judo at 22 for a few years.
@1989cadiman
@1989cadiman 3 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome ! I hope to be in as good of shape as you and as skilled at BJJ as you are in my 50s . Btw love your channel Mark🤙🏻
@tededo
@tededo 3 жыл бұрын
48 here. I've been in martial arts combat sports for 40 years, and that include 25 years of boxing, 20 years of grappling (wrestling free and greco and catch and nogi BJJ) to name a few. For grappling, I give you credit on your comments, but 95% of the high level grapplers I roll with on the mat would get clocked, if they were mma or boxing against me. My striking skills are still peak, while those grapplers never if barely train their striking skills. That helps to ease my mind. I once challenge my grappling instructor to a boxing sparring session several times, and he declined several times, that is just he wont accept his ego to be bruised in a ring, but hey, I have to accept that my ego can take a beating on the mat, O, so please coach. So though you are right bout grappling being harder as older people, I have to mention that the high level and even the simplest decent grappler in their 20s, refrain from putting on boxing gloves with seasoned fighters like me, THAT IS A SHAME. So who said we, older, are slowing down, in reality, we arent really. I see myself as a fighter not just a grappler, but only from a grappling stand point, I' slowed down, now from a fighting stand point, different story. Just wanted to clearify this point with you.
@hoppy760
@hoppy760 3 жыл бұрын
@@1989cadiman 🙏
@hoppy760
@hoppy760 3 жыл бұрын
@@1989cadiman Thank you. Have some new content coming soon.
@tommym321
@tommym321 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! The cardio thing! It was right around 45 that I suddenly noticed a big change, nice to know it’s not just me. I’m back into lifting again, all compound lifts, going easy on the poundages, no squats or deadlifts heavier than 225, lots of barbell rows, land mine presses, etc. I’m a 48 year old black belt
@drewa8342
@drewa8342 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 58 and thinking about starting just for the joy of training and introducing my body a whole new way of moving and thinking. Thanks for the excellent advice!
@jamesbishop4183
@jamesbishop4183 3 жыл бұрын
prove it Drew!!!
@brandontwohawks
@brandontwohawks Жыл бұрын
52, white belt -- do it. So damned fun.
@DBlaze9
@DBlaze9 2 жыл бұрын
I am a 45 year old blue belt, train almost everyday and compete 3-4x year. I really appreciate this - a helpful and valuable perspective. I also do it so my kids can see me doing it, struggle with it, and persevere. Thank you for the message Rick.
@peterdesmier6165
@peterdesmier6165 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. As a 68 year old double hip replacement and onto my first month of BJJ you have addressed my major concerns. Truly grateful for your wisdom. Now I practice BJJJSU! Brazilian Jiu jitsu JUST SHOW UP! That alone is enough for me. One day at a time.
@blakemckinley2328
@blakemckinley2328 3 жыл бұрын
Great comments, valuable perspectives. I’m a 59 year old Purple Belt, maintaining physical flexibility is critical as is learning and studying technique. And yes, accept that age controls your effectiveness, maintain a margin for safety, and leave fuel in the tank, both great principles.
@catholicroger6800
@catholicroger6800 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I am a 2 stripe white belt that got discouraged a little a couple of weeks ago because a younger man that started after me got his third stripe. I started at the age of 74 on the mats 4 to 5 times a week. I finally realized why I was on the mats, I can roll and enjoy the sport. My goal is to get my blue belt next year and be on the mat at the age of 80. Yes I want to compete in a year but we have a coach that helps make that decision. I am on a Gracie Barra group and it has taken me about 5 months to really realize the coaches have a reason to treat me with kit gloves so to speak. I am learning there is so much more to jiu-jitsu than just rolling on the mat. Even at my age it is an art of enjoying and learning to be the best person you can be in life and that may be something the younger artist can learn.
@bananapatch9118
@bananapatch9118 3 жыл бұрын
Did my first class last week at 59. LOVED IT !!! My knees were stiff the next couple days but I hope to keep trying. We hope to retire and travel outside the US and my goal is just to feel a little more confident about keeping my wife and I safe. GREAT VIDEO ! Thank you so much...this info helps a lot.
@opinionmaximus
@opinionmaximus 3 жыл бұрын
GOOD FOR YOU! I'm 49, been training for almost 9 years and I don't have the best knees, if you're looking for a GREAT pair of knee pads look into Asics sliders. Make sure you don't get the Jr's, those are for kids. Keep training. 😁
@tonytechsupport
@tonytechsupport 3 жыл бұрын
I practice Jiu Jitsu and I highly recommend you stop training. It is a young persons game.
@tonytechsupport
@tonytechsupport 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattm1579 of course I will. There are so many injuries and its super rough on the body. Youre at such a disadvantage being older and trying to keep up. Whats he gonna do when they practice takedowns and throws?
@samr826
@samr826 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonytechsupport you are wrong, and a bad influence. You can roll at any age, but you gotta pick training partners safely
@johnalmonte3821
@johnalmonte3821 2 жыл бұрын
I am 59 and also just started. Picking the right trading partners is key.
@BlueKimura
@BlueKimura 3 жыл бұрын
Much respect Professor Ellis. I’ll be 51 this year and I know exactly what you are saying.
@SilverSnowRF
@SilverSnowRF 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Master! Greetings from Russia. You know, your advices are also usefull for middle-aged athlets. Say, I'm 35 (white belt, 2 stripes, started BJJ 10 months ago) and I'm one of the oldest in my gym. I'm rolling with guys who are younger, stronger, heavier than me. According to my own experience, I would recommend to come 20 min. earlier to the gym and do good complex stretching. It'll help to aviod many injuries. While rolling I usually prefer defensive style (close guard, de la riva, etc.) finishing with kimura, triangle or omoplata. Another peace of advice - do not wrestle with young opponent! Don't use strength (you'll going to lose your breath) - use technics. And by the way, 3-4 rolls (6 min. each) during evening is OK for me.
@andreil707
@andreil707 2 жыл бұрын
Good advice and experience, keep it going! Greetings from Samara 🤝
@ericstone9925
@ericstone9925 Жыл бұрын
I'm a 53 yr old no stripe white belt, been training 4 months, separated my shoulder, broke a toe and now have a MCL sprain. I had no expectations when i walked into my first class, but can't imagine not training now. I train 2-3 times per week, usually work travel permitting and i know this for sure, the guy training now would beat the guy who walked into the academy 4 months ago for sure. Love the content and perspective.
@blockaderunner
@blockaderunner Жыл бұрын
yeah nothing ventured nothing gained, I had to go down this path cause I need to Know (how vulnerable I am)
@tokorojj
@tokorojj 3 жыл бұрын
24 years of bjj here. I couldn't agree with you more. Coming to terms with age and permanent injuries is a real struggle, but I always think that the alternative (not being able to train) would be much worse. I promise you I cried from the first minute of the video onward. Love to all my fellow old bjj practitioners.
@OmegaSupremeWCheese
@OmegaSupremeWCheese 3 жыл бұрын
48yo white belt here, when you said in your mind you're the same as you were at 25, man I felt that. Having previously done judo, there are times when I can see the move coming on a mile away.. and still cannot stop it. A couple months back I was playing stand up with a young kid late 20's phenomenal athlete, I give him space and some red meat to bait him to single or double leg me, I'm going to counter and then come under for a cheap Sumi or Khabareli. That was the plan, sure enough he took the bait, and the kid changed levels lit into me so fast even though I set up the trap he blew right through it, caught his double, as I'm going back I throw a last second Sumi and he sprawls out on top of me almost right into mount position where we start our roll. Getting old is real.
@ajperkins288
@ajperkins288 2 жыл бұрын
I started jiu-jitsu last year at age 59 and feel great. I feel like I'm 35 years old! Even my sore muscles feel good.
@johnsherwood3586
@johnsherwood3586 3 жыл бұрын
I’m 54 years old. 2ed degree in karate 🥋,1st in weapons and working on my purple belt. Your advice and your translation of your knowledge is spot on. Thank you for reminding us these crucial lessons that will enable us to continue our journey in martial arts 🥋. Even with years of experience we sometimes forget our mental image of our physical ability is often grossly inaccurate. Especially if you had exceptional abilities in your youth. I struggled myself. But we have to grow...... Now I wear my age on the mat with pride. Thank you.
@DAGOBJJ
@DAGOBJJ 3 жыл бұрын
50yrs old and currently a 3rd degree Blackbelt (been training for the past 22yrs). Still compete and roll with all the younger guys and do really well with everyone but I do say NO to anyone that outweighs me by 30lbs - no matter their level. It's just being smart because if they zig when I zag, it's just not worth it from a safety sake and recovery standpoint. I'm glad I started BJJ in my 20's wrestled and did MMA / went thru the wars early. It gave me the technical skills to get myself in great positions early and establish the tone of the roll. Great Video and appreciate the content!
@ANGELA-kk5tu
@ANGELA-kk5tu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this... i am 53 yrs old , female, 5 feet tall and have decided to start this journey. I dont look my age, nor do i act my age. I still feel like i am 25 but now my body is starting to experience wear and tear... it sucks but i have decided its now or never for me. Having spent most of my life raising 2 kids I put my interest aside to give them a better life. Now they are grown and I am now starting my martial arts journey. This year i dedicated it to doing some of the things i always wanted to learn but couldnt before due to financial reasons. With that said, i have started Kempo karate and just this month BJJ 😮😅 Both sports are very technical and different. Everything you mentioned in your video is so true. I have always been physically active, going to the gym and trying my best to stay healthy, but no matter what, i am starting to feel the aches and pains that I never though would happen to me. Needless to say, I am have always been very competitive and not a quitter BUT I lately I have come to accept that I am 53 not 25 or 35 and while I am pursuing these physical sports I am having to also teach myself to say no or just step aside instead of trying to always compete because of ego
@TheArtofSkill
@TheArtofSkill Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome, and good luck on your journey!
@moh23ce
@moh23ce 3 жыл бұрын
So important, especially saying NO, I am 40 years old, I was injured two times because I couldn't say it, I am in recovery for finger cracks for 4 weeks now, I will say NO if I need to always..
@jitsapprentice4034
@jitsapprentice4034 Жыл бұрын
40 years old and only a month away from my black belt, took me over 13 years to get and I can definitely say I can’t train like I use to, many injuries from being a cop for a decade along with many jiu jitsu injuries. I would definitely say don’t give up and keep putting in the rounds it’s all worth it in the end, also take it easy on your body and your ego, you don’t have to be the best every night.
@raymondodell3164
@raymondodell3164 Жыл бұрын
i recently resumed my journey after several years away and now i'm a 60 year old blue belt who is struggling mentally and physically to improve my game. Thank you for this video. It's what I needed to hear when I needed to hear it.
@jordimac9165
@jordimac9165 3 жыл бұрын
Great clever words. I remember the mother of a great friend of mine who told me when I was 18: "when you get older, you'll be young in your mind, but not in your body. Keep it in mind" Now I'm 56 and you have described perfectly the situation. At 18 I can fight against any enemy, and now I only think in geting safe and as healthy as I can.
@rommelcortezano5499
@rommelcortezano5499 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. As a 51-year-old blue belt, I get so frustrated at my ability to keep up. I'm retired military and I always assume that I am still that guy that can do most things when I was even in my 40s. How things change in just one year of aging. Great video, thank you.
@brandonn844
@brandonn844 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! For the words of wisdom. I'm a 42 year old white belt 2 months in and this is exactly the video I needed right now. Liked and Subscribed!
@KragSmash
@KragSmash 2 жыл бұрын
44 here. Just got home from the dojo. It's Week 2 for me. We've got this. 🇧🇷🥋💪🧘🏻‍♂️
@allancross2105
@allancross2105 2 жыл бұрын
41 here. 8 months practicing... 1st tournament in 10 days!
@hardeho
@hardeho 2 жыл бұрын
43 here, second class tonight. Glad to see I'm in such good company.
@allancross2105
@allancross2105 2 жыл бұрын
@@hardeho welcome to the club Brother
@C0ochieMeat
@C0ochieMeat 2 жыл бұрын
What’s your rank now?
@j.echohotel5235
@j.echohotel5235 Жыл бұрын
I'm 52 now. Just started with BJJ. Have trained Judo in my childhood (from 6 to 12 years of age). Doing Krav Maga frequently. I agree to 100% in what you said in this video. Its much different to train when you're older than when you're young. It takes more time and injuries take longer to heal. BUT YES it feels f..king great to learn BJJ in my age instead of playing Boccia or Golf.
@chriscorros3298
@chriscorros3298 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a 51going on 52 year old purple belt with three stripes and I needed to hear this. I was contemplating of giving up juijitsu but there's hope. I think at my age I need to be able to pick and choose who I want to roll with. Thank you Professor Rick Ellis.
@johnvalenzuela8478
@johnvalenzuela8478 2 жыл бұрын
I’m 47 years old, started BJJ 8 months ago with my 13 year old son. Of the last 8 months I’ve spent 4 of them injured. Getting leap frogged by everyone including my son, it’s hard to deal with as I’m very competitive. I watch this video regularly to keep me grounded, Rick is an inspiration for me to keep going and not give up!
@Tigercomm
@Tigercomm 3 жыл бұрын
56, training 17 years, brown belt. This is spot on. I recommend Flexaware as a supplemental mobility practice. It changed my life and kept me off the surgeon’s table.
@kevinmcgivern5436
@kevinmcgivern5436 3 жыл бұрын
Is FLexaware very different from a "stretch and relax" yoga practice? Thanks.
@MoJoJoJo747
@MoJoJoJo747 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I needed it…I’m a 44 Purple belt and last week on tuesday I had a few good rolling sessions and I was happy with my effort, However on Thursday I was struggling with pain and stamina…I got tapped by one of my nemesis a few times and a few others that I normally do well against…I want home jumped into the shower and starting sobbing…I felt so broken and defeated…I got anxiety from this situation because I have a no quit attitude but this time I felt that quitting would be my best option….In my mind I’m excellent at BJJ and I know what to do in every situation yet my body is not responding….But listening to this gave me more motivation…So I get tapped out…so be it…But I don’t want to give up and I still have my black in sight…But thank you for this….It just what I needed…God bless
@danbaumgardner1192
@danbaumgardner1192 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! I’m 57 and 9 months into BJJ. This was just great to hear. I’ve noticed I can’t train like the younger guys and need more time for recovery. I love learning new things and flow drills, but know that I’m in preservation mode and won’t risk that. Tap early and tap often!
@infamousone8260
@infamousone8260 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating this video! I started Jiu Jitsu at 51 years old. Tomorrow I will be 55. I love training BJJ and want to do it the rest of my life if I can.
@jimnorton4106
@jimnorton4106 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent information, thanks for putting it together. I’m 62 and a 2 stripe blue, started training at 57 . I’m the oldest person training at my gym, everything you said is true. Especially like the discussion on max heart rate as you age.
@scottlenhart
@scottlenhart 3 жыл бұрын
Of the hundreds of Jiu Jitsu videos I’ve watched, this is by far my favorite. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. I needed to hear this. Well done! ~48 yo white belt.
@cv6975
@cv6975 3 жыл бұрын
Your message is delivered beautifully. Thank you from the oldest roller in my gym.
@KarmaFlight
@KarmaFlight 3 жыл бұрын
I feel you Brother! 53 year old blue belt checking in.
@aordi5630
@aordi5630 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your video!! At 41 I enrolled after my two sons have been doing Jiu-jitsu for 3 years and I have been loving every second of it when I roll with them. Making awesome memories with them is priceless.
@cantonese8085
@cantonese8085 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice,, best thing I learnt is pick your trading partners wisely...going at it at 💯 with the youngsters that just wanna win,,, you may not loose the roll but for 2 or 3 days you can’t move..😬🙄
@shahree100
@shahree100 3 жыл бұрын
So True 😁
@Seegie16
@Seegie16 3 жыл бұрын
As a 44 year old you just made me cry. I know there are older guys out there and I feel for you but im at the early stages of being old. I started feeling old at 38-39ish. It sucks because the 20 and 30 year olds think im an old fart and I feel like an old fart but I was just right there with them not to long ago. Now I has a sads and goes to sleep. night night
@Sonofshane1
@Sonofshane1 2 жыл бұрын
46 Years young here. Start strength training, Francesco. You WILL achieve a double bodyweight squat, 2.5 x bodyweight deadlift and maybe 1.5 or higher on Bench Press. Throw in 2-3 cardio sessions, and eat well, and you’re good. Within 2-3 years you’ll transform yourself. I started BJJ 3 months ago and have no problem at all with the 20 year olds. This video is well meaning but will nocebo you and instigate self limiting beliefs. You are not “old” for a long time yet.
@Xsynth
@Xsynth Жыл бұрын
@@Sonofshane1 This. Truth is a lot of older folks let their body spoil, and then wonder why they can't move like how they did in their 20s after they've been idle or had bad lifestyle habits for the last decade. Your chronological age could be 25 but your biological age could be 40, vis versa. The theory of chronological age and biological age has proven to be very substantial in current research.
@gkewish
@gkewish 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great breakdown of getting older and doing Jiu Jitsu, at 63 soon to be 64 and running an academy teaching multiple classes per day 6 days a week. 3 ops on my left knee, 2 on my right… just coming off my third and biggest shoulder operation, i resonate with each and every word in the video. The hardest part for me is just accepting that you cannot compete with the young guns because they simply and easily outwork and out speed you. Nowadays i am just grateful to be doing what i love everyday and sharing that love and passion with other people.
@wchphoto
@wchphoto Жыл бұрын
This is an important video and should be watched by young people involved in any martial art. I started my BJJ training 30 years ago when I was 39. I wasn’t the oldest guy there, but I was the most senior new guy! Looking back, it was really a magical time. All 5 Machado brothers were teaching there. My first few private lessons were with Carlos and a few weeks later, he moved to Texas to head the BJJ section of Chuck Norris’ organization. For the next year, I took privates with Roger until he told me that it was time to be thrown in with the wolves. He said I had more techniques than many of the blue belts, but it was time to learn how to make them work. A number of the future Dirty Dozen were blue belts at the time. Rick Williams, Chris Haueter, Bob Bass, and David Myers come to mind. Renato Magno was a newly minted brown belt. I had been continuously involved in martial arts (Judo, Karate, and Aikido) since I was 14, with a Sandan in Shotokan. Obviously, that experience only translated to BJJ with the “Budo-heart” that I brought with me. At the age of 40, I was still in denial of my advancing age, and soon, I started experiencing many of the injuries you refer to in this video, apart from the elbow issues. (Roger had always told me to tap early and often…and I did.) After a few years as a blue belt, I was giving purple belts a hard time. They still controlled me, but it was becoming harder for them to make me tap. Then it became harder and harder to get out of bed the day after training until finally, I had to curtail my training. Eventually, I would be diagnosed with degenerative discs in my lumbar spine with severe stenosis in a few areas. These days, as I approach 70, it’s all I can do to show basic BJJ techniques to my students. Although I have no regrets (okay, maybe a few), I wish I had trained smarter in those earlier days of BJJ.
@josephbreza-grappling9459
@josephbreza-grappling9459 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible! It’s like you’re telling my story! Especially the part about how my mind thinks one thing, but my body says something else.
@marlon1431
@marlon1431 3 жыл бұрын
"Ego is a dangerous thing!" A lot of great advice, as I am always the oldest (57) in the noon competition class at my academy. So very difficult to adjust to my body not doing what my mind tells it to. Oss!
@zenman52
@zenman52 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Shotokan karateka at 69 yrs old. In college I was a competitive gymnast. Your advice is golden. Applies to many, maybe all, elder athletic activities. Thank you. This is sorely needed.
@in2heat451
@in2heat451 4 ай бұрын
63 yo 2 stripe white belt , had a bad experience at the academy a couple days ago, one of the other athletes turned me on to your channel , I needed this.
@kxe7934
@kxe7934 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Professor. I needed to hear that today.
@66maelstrom
@66maelstrom 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video. Whilst I guarantee none of us give up at any time during our rolling, there are valid reasons why we can't mix it with a 25 year old at the peak of his fitness. But that ain't gonna stop us trying! Our journey is our journey. It's not the journey of the 25 year old who is strong, fit, has great flexibility and recovery. It's the journey of oneself - working with what you've got, doing your absolute best - whatever that may be. Personally I have found that the young guys look to me for other things off the mat. Advice about life, career, money, relationships, etc. So whilst I can't roll flat out with them, it doesn't mean I still can't be the teacher!!
@GilbertAllenPlugowski
@GilbertAllenPlugowski 2 жыл бұрын
So true. I remember, when I was 25 we had a 64 year old man joining the TKD fullcontact competition training. First we laughed (yeah I admit), but later we admired him. He showed us what is possible when you just stick to the game... and boy, he still had a punch to avoid... Also you can be a true woman or man on the mat - that helps the young ones to find their way.
@christophershupe5213
@christophershupe5213 Ай бұрын
52 now, 3 stripe blue belt. I have donated 2 knees and a shoulder trying to chase that next belt and stay ahead. This perspective is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks for that 🙏.
@edwinberroa9201
@edwinberroa9201 3 жыл бұрын
Professor. This was awesome. Being a 41 year old blue belt from nyc. I definitely understand the grind that’s needed to keep up with the new generation of hungry whipper snappers. It’s a journey and I’ve loving it but finally understand the technicality that you have to start to develop in order to stay on level and be at the next level for a potential of a belt promotion. Thanks for the jewels 💎
@robinbjj
@robinbjj 2 жыл бұрын
thanks Rick ! Started at 52 and got my blue belt just before the pandemic. Now I am 55. Addicted ! My main goal ? Being able to be there the next course ! My 3 inspirations : Ciao Terra for the technics, Adam Wardzinsky for the sweeps and Roy Dean for the fluidity !
@highwaytohell9055
@highwaytohell9055 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you master for giving such good advices to older drillers
@madmars135
@madmars135 4 ай бұрын
46 years old purple belt i started at 35. I really start to feel the pain, now i feel the real declin in all physical jujitsu aspect. I really need to reset the game and approach to bjj. This video is a gift, thanks a lot. I am sure it will help so much.
@andytyler2052
@andytyler2052 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. I needed to hear today I'm hard on myself....and it can get me down. I'm 53 and started in Feb this year. I'm gonna keep on keeping on. Very carefully!
@kracylatin01
@kracylatin01 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video: It’s real eye opener ; I have done all the mistakes you mentioned. I’m 50 years old 3rd stripe blue belt and the oldest member in my academy
@dynamic75
@dynamic75 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You dropped some serious jewels in there. I would add taking time for therapeutic treatments; acupuncture has helped me tremendously.
@BeingMarcKnox
@BeingMarcKnox 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. So on point. Almost 50, but In my head I am still 25 too. I started BJJ with 5 studs 20 years my junior. Took me almost 4 years to realize we're all on different paths. I no longer try to keep upl with them. I accept that I'm on "the slow train". Also - I watched you BB presentation video. You are in inspiration. Thank you Sir.
@michaelchen3208
@michaelchen3208 3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the advice. I started BJJ 2 years ago at the age of 62 after retiring. I have been pacing myself and doing well , though still a white belt. I have fallen in love with BJJ and it is already part of my life. I have been reading a lot of books, watching DVD, Videos, making notes (my note books are thick with ocean of informations). I spend at least 3-4 hours in average every day researching bjj knowledges and practice BJJ about 1 hour average each day. I am happy with my dedication in this art and I know it will be a major part of my life forever.
@ClaudioLMascarenhas
@ClaudioLMascarenhas 2 жыл бұрын
This video is incredible! I’m a 54 years old, and just started BJJ two weeks ago, so far one training per week, because is taking me a week to recovered from the rollings, each class has been a battle! I’ll try to apply some of the new approaches! Ive no words to express my gratitude! Thank you so much master Rick!
@blockaderunner
@blockaderunner Жыл бұрын
my issue is my job relies on me not being injured, it's not a desk job
@flatstanley6232
@flatstanley6232 3 жыл бұрын
This is great advice for anyone I'm 22 and do judo twice a week and bjj 5 times a week. I know a lot of guys go all out because they train 2-3 times a week but I'm just trying to chill and work on techniques. It's better to get more class time but go lighter than to go all out and risk injury or long recovery.
@w00tw00tish
@w00tw00tish 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible tips. As a 45 year old grappler ... this is gold! Thank you!!
@estoyballecer1109
@estoyballecer1109 3 ай бұрын
Your are telling us the right advise Prof Rick Ellis; started Jiu-Jitsu last week of December 2022; 66 yrs old; my right smallest finger (Pinky) deformed by accident during my very first roll; my right shoulder pop twiced; my left shoulder pop onced; my right elbow pop 3 times; my right rib got injured, both of my ankles got injured, my neck was near break during a collar drag takedown, etc; now I am 68 yrs old and trying my best to be very careful. I tap right away and always gave way during rolls.
@mritorto1
@mritorto1 3 жыл бұрын
unless you were able to get your skill level high when your younger your body will suffer when your 50 . basics are important but sucks when us old guys stated we learned from blue belts not like the kids from this generation learning from 2nd and 3rd degree black belts. if you have the time to train 4x or 5 x week to do other recovery exercises you can keep training. but most people can cause work and family gets in the way
@georgedemetriou2760
@georgedemetriou2760 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That was outstanding.
@michelerosito8588
@michelerosito8588 3 жыл бұрын
Within a couple of months I'll hit 60 yo. A few years ago I started this amazing sport after 10+ years of kickboxing, and just recently I got my blue belt. And I wholeheartedly concur with Mr. Ellis each and every second what he is advising. And fortunately I'm training in a wonderful gym where everyone is respecting my limitations, without giving me a feeling I'm not part of the group!
@llgrow
@llgrow 2 жыл бұрын
This way, by far, the most impactful BJJ video I've seen. I just got back on the mats as a 41 year old after almost 6 years off of the mats. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
@jonathanb1059
@jonathanb1059 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Ten years ago, I began to train in BJJ but I quit to focus on starting a family and a new career. Now, I just turned 40 last month and I am starting BJJ as a new white belt again. I have come to realize that I need to focus on relaxing and allowing people to make mistakes, use technique to submit and not try to use brute force. Be okay with playing the slow and safe game when I roll and not force things. I want to earn my black belt, I want to train until I die if I can, so thank you for your words of wisdom.
@blockaderunner
@blockaderunner Жыл бұрын
that's all I'm trying to do is get the techniques down, while my partner, a blue belt, is using brute force
@glenbecerra8114
@glenbecerra8114 2 жыл бұрын
Great message and advice. I am 41 coming 42 in the summer. Blue Belt Blues. are true. I felt the plateau last Aug being a Blue Belt coming up to 5 yrs in BJJ. What I did was push myself by coming 6X a week to train and take Private lessons. Then I decided to put myself to do a BJJ comp late Jan, this would be my second comp in my BJJ journey. The last time was my white belt level 3 years ago. I started private training with my professor in Aug giving myself time to learn and get ready for the BJJ comp in Jan. I like what you said about leave some gas in the tank with training to save energy. Thank you for the video and I will keep watching. OSS!
@SuperBluehaze
@SuperBluehaze Жыл бұрын
Great advice professor, I started BJJ and Capoeira at 66 years old. i am now 69. I have had no serious injuries, just a sore neck or whatever. I always tap early. I am the oldest there; I only compete with myself, I do not grapple with white belts unless i know them. Otherwise, I just survive and never get defeated - "The most important thing is not victory, the most important thing is not to be defeated." Rickson Gracie It took me 2 years to be able to do a head stand; it got a bit scary, here and there, but i did it. In my capoeira classes, if i do not feel completely comfortable, with some of the more advanced moves , I do not attempt them but watch. My struggle is with myself, and attempting to get better; while gauging how far I can go in safety - how far to push it, without causing myself harm. If I do not push it, then i will not get to where i want to be, but at the same time, I do not want to cause myself an injury. I just take it slow., and exactly as you advise in this video.🙏
@MrSamIAm39
@MrSamIAm39 Жыл бұрын
51 and recovering from systemic blood clots and pulmonary embolism from the "shot" last year. I have been fighting the fight of my life for the last 14 months. Lost 45 llbs, running, doing keto and fasting. I have 4 herniated disc in my lower back, two fused in my neck. I have arthritis now that started after the vaccine all along my spine. I put on about 15 lbs after 9 months because I was exhausted from the fight. I know the fight you are fighting brother. I attended my first Judo class 4 weeks ago and lower back and stomach, legs, neck were sore as hell for 3 weeks, my lower back has been a battle for 7 years now. I'm grappling with the situation. I'm back on keto and fasting, went to the gym twice today. I'll never win a tournament, I don't care, it's about love of the sport. Keep raging against the darkness. We stand on our backlegs now and bare the fangs.
@usbsol
@usbsol 3 жыл бұрын
22:38... wow... How about this; if you are old, chill out. Have fun, leave your ego outside the dojo.
@davidrichards3851
@davidrichards3851 3 жыл бұрын
So true. I’ve never practiced this art. But I’ve competed at an international level in other sports. The message is the same. We all age at different speeds depending on many things. But less is certainly more as you age. In tai chi, chi gong etc I learned 70 % is a safe max. Great advice 🙏🏼
@blockaderunner
@blockaderunner Жыл бұрын
good stuff, I'm going 70% too no anxiety here just even keel at all times, if the guy is gonna spaz, that's his problem
@sandycharm9544
@sandycharm9544 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I swear off KZbin, I come across a video like this that is beautifully executed and thoughtfully “written.” Thank you. I know how much time these take to put together. Know your efforts are greatly appreciated. Cheers-
@jimlynch5135
@jimlynch5135 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome perspective!! Thank you for your advise. I’m 59, a competitive minded older athlete, who is thinking about training in BJJ in the near future.
@mritorto1
@mritorto1 3 жыл бұрын
i miss the days of rolling for 2 hrs straight
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