Explaining Astrology to Non-Astrologers

[@brendalomax1879]

Astrology is so lucky to have you representing it, Chris! I'm so very impressed.

[@ladyoftheblacklake]

Amen to that!!!

[@lisawomyn21]

He’s the best of the best. So grateful for him!!!

[@jaetok]

Chris came with receipts, historical pinpoints and overall solid explanations. He didn’t get all woo-woo. Just facts on the basis of Astrology and just what it is. Very stoic and regal almost. Loved this.

[@Mel-oe3dw]

Yes and he is such an eloquent speaker, loves him!

[@barbarabee2391]

And that's why we (astrologers) come to this channel...to get copies of those receipts not just for our own self discovery and foundation but when we have similar encounters with other non-believers.

[@rebellerevelle]

Netflix and chill? No thanks... I'd rather binge watch astrology podcast episodes to my heart's content and learn about all things astrology! Thanks for making such thoughtful and thorough quality content available for free for the world to access! Your well informed work on this channel has redeemed astrology from it's reputation of being an unserious form of entertainment or heresy to a respectable, complex, ancient field of study and practice. I salute thee 🙏

[@Xenooni]

people admitting they don't know instead of thinking they do and just regurgitating information they've heard is such a powerful message. I hope more people adopt this kind of thinking - we need more critical thinking.

[@aligninglightastrology]

The question from Ian at ~9:25 about how to shake the feeling of “this is bullshit...” so you can suspend belief: I know this feeling well as a former atheist and continuing doer of hard science. It’s been a few things to help shake it off and have Beginner’s Mind: I got in the habit of questioning the accuracy of my knowledge. I am forced to for work, so that continual humbling helps. Second, my values have changed over the years. The more suffering I’ve seen, the more I’ve became increasingly comfortable with finding value in the immaterial or unscientific as long as it works. I became less comfortable judging the merit of something solely based on its ability to fit into a single framework: in this case the modern sci method. The way something worked and knowing those details became less important to me versus just finding what worked. (Assuming of course that everyone is following ‘First do no harm’.) It’s possible to practice evidence-based work, while still holding space for less recognized methods of analysis like astrology. It’s recognizing the duality of the situation and being ok with not resolving it right this moment. It doesn’t have to mean a lack of intellectual integrity if you’re a critical thinker who understands the limitations of things.

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

This might be a good podcast topic for you and I to do one of these days.

[@aligninglightastrology]

@@TheAstrologyPodcast I’d love that!

[@MissJoy16]

That was wonderful and beautiful. Thank you.

[@aligninglightastrology]

@@MissJoy16 Thank you for the kind words and you are welcome!

[@Tristan-ni8qb]

Do you recognize that the causes of astrology are well understood through cognitive bias and the barham effect?

[@JKB25]

Astrology to me(Physician) is pattern recognition which is how majority of medicine is. Evidence of scientifically proven causes is being added as time goes on. There is also a component of intuitive alignment with astrology which is not present in the modern medicine as intuition has been excluded and it is not yet recognized as an important healing modality.

[@clairesmusings]

and people wonder why they can’t get in touch with their intuition.

[@murlimewes3685]

What a great idea! So glad to see people being open minded and willing to learn.

[@sydkins432]

Chris, you are so wise & I feel just the right person to hold these kinds of discussions. So patient, thorough and neutral. Astrology deserves to have a closer look than most people give it, and I truly believe with experts like yourself at the helm, we can accomplish that feat. I love that you are teaching other Astro students as well, as the voice you have is so important and they will be able to spread the accurate information for the next generation.

[@MayasDream]

Chris, we love you. Thank you for your research and for being a voice for the founders of this craft! Thank you for teaching with such grace and groundedness. You have contributed so massively to this field by unearthing and demystifying the founding wisdom. We appreciate you so much. Your rhetorical abilities are strong and we love your Mercury!!!

[@cc1210]

I love the way Chris made them sit up and pay attention. These boys had no choice but to nod and say hmm interesting. Also just to annoy them, I love how the Gemini stellium one was super excited to give his birth details and the earthy Taurus was like 'No I'm not comfortable revealing my info!' Sorry boys but you'll now be added to the astro evidence stockpile.

[@Nevira666]

I have not found a single Taurus man who will entertain Astrology for a second.

[@wombat6177]

I read this comment before I got to the end of the show and I have to say, based on your comment I thought the “Gemini one” must be Shay and Ian the Taurus for sure... Interesting that one minute earlier Ian would have Taurus rising....Also shay didn’t give his date so we don’t know what sign he is.

[@cc1210]

@@wombat6177 pretty sure he mentions being a Taurus in his own podcast podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5jYXB0aXZhdGUuZm0vY2FtcHJlZWR1Y2F0aW9u I do have to say it's a bit frat boyish and they do call astrology dumb numerous times and treat it as a joke. What's the point in recycling the same jokes and critiques?

[@maurice8180]

But what you're doing is judging people based on their sun signs and this is why a lot of "non-astrologers" have negative feelings toward astrology! If a person only knows one superficial fact about you, but proceed to judge you anyway - that's why a lot of people don't like astrology 🙊

[@wombat6177]

@@maurice8180 yes unless you’re a Scorpio sun ... they often seem to love telling everyone how sexy they are 😉 particularly the women

[@chelseadiakite1418]

as someone who is doing their best to really understand astrology and not just from a psychology perspective, I loved this conversation and listened to every minute! I learned so much that I hope I can share with others when asked the broad question “what is astrology”. Thank you!

[@faithjvs8320]

Thank you, Chris, Ian and Shaye for this interesting episode. I have to say though, Ian and Shaye, you pretty much confirmed all the biases and stereotypes of men engaged in their first serious conversation about astrology. Chris, as a novice to astrology myself, it would have helped me, and maybe Ian and Shaye, if early in the conversation we’d all have been given a look at one or both of their charts (birth date, time, and place deleted for privacy), and have you explain a few things, perhaps even providing an abridged reading, using their chart(s). Learning just how complex astrology can be a real eye opener for a sceptic, especially if you can tell them something about themselves you wouldn’t have been able to know without the chart. Thanks again for presenting this episode. It was enlightening.

[@faithjvs8320]

@pce i never suggested springing a chart reading on anyone. You can’t produce a chart without obtaining a date, place, and exact time of birth. Those would have to be obtained with permission, precisely as Chris did near the end of the podcast. My suggestion would have taken what Chris did a step further. It implies obtaining the information and permission in advance for a brief chart analysis as a means of explaining or demonstrating concepts that are not correctly understood by average skeptics. My goal is enhanced understanding, not some kind of gotcha game. I’m not interested in those kinds of games or in trolling. From observation I think I can say the same of Chris Brennan

[@faithjvs8320]

@pce Were we watching the same podcast? Because Ian and Shaye are not typical skeptics in that the whole point to their podcast series is an “immersion camp” to learn about a topic they know nothing about. They were clearly interested in the topic of Astrology. One of them even gave his birth data so Chris could produce a natal chart. Look, I made a comment about what would have helped me as a novice to better understand some things Chris was explaining. It’s really moot since the episode is done. There’s no need to litigate either Chris’s presentation or my newbie suggestion. It was only a small suggestion from a novice interested in learning more. You don’t like my suggestion? Oh well...

[@Mel-oe3dw]

Nah they should pay for that

[@karrissabarajas8475]

i think it would’ve been enlightening if chris read their favorite musician’s chart, or even someone historical.

[@danswantarot4946]

In regards to astrology and tarot, each tarot card has an astrological association eg. The 7 of Cups is Venus in Scorpio, The 2 of Wands is Mars in Aries, etc. The link between the two is huge. I'm a tarot reader and I came to astrology through tarot, so it was interesting to hear how often its the other way around :) as for predicting the future, many tarot readers including myself don't do that (or don't even believe in it), its used for accessing the subconscious. I do a 12 house tarot spread all the time :)

[@embodiedconfidence]

What’s 5?

[@danswantarot4946]

@@volstarthemagi3859 i use the THOTH tarot deck which is revamped and designed specifically based on the astrological associations (amongst other things) and I almost consider it a whole new divination tool to traditional tarot. So how new it is doesn't matter to me but I appreciate your insight.

[@danswantarot4946]

@@volstarthemagi3859 and you are correct about playing cards - many people do that (especially those who live around people who get freaked out by tarot such as teenagers with religious parents. One of my friends reads playing cards and has created his own system and it works very well for him. in theory you could make up your own system using blank cards.

[@morphinpink]

@@danswantarot4946 Guessing that by "traditional" you mean rws, but both thoth and rws are based on the golden dawn's understanding of astrology. Each deck portrays the personal interpretations of Crowley and Waite respectively, hence the differences, but at its core they're the same astrological associations (I'd argue waite kind of shoe horned some of his interpretations I.e switching strength and justice but still the same golden dawn bs 😂)

[@alpheendomination]

@@embodiedconfidence Nothing, astrology means nothing

[@sharicerney5439]

Fascinating conversation. I listened to this first before going to Camp Re-education for their full experience. I must say that the Part 1 was very difficult to listen to. It felt so harsh, judgmental, and close-minded. It actually solidified how deep my belief in astrology truly is. Knowing that this interview happened after Part 1, I was very excited to hear Part 2. You would never know from this interview that they held such deep-rooted beliefs going in, so kudos guys for not only giving Chris such respect, but for asking truly brilliant questions. After listening to Part 2, I was happy to hear specifically where they landed. It IS a loving and kind community. I’m not a big fan of horoscopes, and pop astrology, but I do use my “tool box of knowledge” about sign characteristics when dealing with the relationships in my life. I’ve understood better, issues that came up before I studied Astrology and they make sense to me now. It has proven to me (in my experience) to be quite accurate. And as one of their guests said... it is like learning another language. So true. And the jokes!! After the train wreck presidential debate hosted by Chris Wallace, I saw a meme that said “what did you expect would happen when a Gemini debates a Scorpio moderated by a Libra.” I laughed out loud. Astrology adds an extra layer to my life that makes me feel grounded and connected. I’m a huge fan of science as well. They do not feel mutually exclusive to me. Thank you, Chris, for all that you do. Love your PodCast.

[@JKB25]

Astrology if done ethically will induce a sense of compassion in the individual who is receiving the reading towards themselves and others.

[@starfishcove5989]

Chris -- the ideal astrologer to answer those questions!! Your historical insights do so much to put astrology as we understand it today into context. Thank you, and to Ian and Shaye for the questions. As to whether astrological forces work independently from our observation and attention, one way individuals can experiment with answering this is to review any journal notes and diary entries they may have made before being introduced to astrology, and seeing whether events matched planetary transits that occurred at those times. 1:14:26: On the inherent neutrality of the planetary configurations, I am reminded of an astrologer from the UK, Pam Gregory, who likens astrology to a "weather report" giving us a practical forecast, indicating how inclement or favorable conditions may be for different ventures at different times, and how we can maximize the potentials of each period. It's really a vast field, truly a lifetime's pursuit 😊

[@fidelmapereira5987]

Wow brilliant analogy with the weather forecast.

[@dandelavergne601]

This was so well articulated. This is such an important video for the world of astrology.

[@kwelikaley]

Chris Brennan could talk to me about astrology for hours and I would literally never get bored. Also I was WAITING the whole time for them to let him cast their natal charts! I would actually like to see someone who is skeptical/unsure get their natal chart read.

[@SusanHopkinson]

Wow - it's sad that people think Wikipedia is the last word on everything, without realising that there are editors who bring their biases into their editing, and instead of putting information out for the public to decide upon, they end up as opinion pieces. You won't find objective truth on Wikipedia. Even my kid's high school forbade them from using it as a reference - It is one aspect of what should be a greater body of research.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

You've constructed a Straw Man. That's not really how he saw it and by the end of this conversation, he definitely doesn't. 0:05:20 0:07:57 2:04:03

[@valyawalker1035]

Thank you for asking them for their charts. Also, thank you for doing this. You did great.

[@paulmulhern1096]

2:05:41 You mention a placement that astrologers have. Can you share? C.E.O. Carter writes of a conjunction that "it is certain that this aspect is commonly found in the horoscopes of astrologers". A superb conversation that you carried all the way through and so refreshing to hear the reception you got. Many congrats.

[@Sarah-zs2ed]

Thank you Chris! You were so articulate, and I learnt so so much from this. So enlightening, educative, you are wonderful at explaining everything, I can't thank you enough.

[@01mementomori]

I love this.... Opposing mindsets: enlighten your ideas, or strengthen your ideas. Great job.

[@LexiePersonForever]

i think one of the big disservices in america is the focus on quantitative research rather than qualitative. of course using quantitative to make sure that everything is statistically sound makes sense, but qualitative research really brings everything to life, fills in the gaps, etc.

[@milaaquariosoulinc4994]

Chris - I have always admired your efficient yet eloquent speech and explanations. I am SO glad this topic and the X over I didn't know I needed in my life at this time. Kudos.

[@anndebaldo7381]

Fascinating discussion! And I really appreciate your honesty and forthrightness, Chris!

[@ElizabethMagicalGarden]

I truly enjoyed this episode!!!! You did your thing Chris 🙌🏽 you have such a way of getting into the meat and potatoes of a subject ❤️🪐

[@hollyw.]

I agree with you. Chris did great! So calm and just gave facts and history. Very well done.

[@susancampbell5948]

Always wanted that explained thx’s was really interesting and I love Chris’s voice and his ability to speak so clearly . Not many can speak as clearly as him

[@maurice8180]

This is so cool! I often create fake scenarios in my mind where I'm explaining to a hypothetical person why I'm interested/using astrology xD

[@Samanthamidnight888]

Wow, Chris! You represented so well. Thank you for being the rational side of the spectrum of what astrology can be perceived as versus the lunatic fringe. Great job.

[@ReeseDee]

I'm early in my study of astrology and this podcast has become one of my main tools for learning - not only giving me alot of context for things I don't yet know how to apply, but also sharpens my ability to speak on the subject - and this episode was like a grab bag of useful retorts for critics. I feel so vindicated 🤣. I also can't think of enough questions - Chris seems to cover everything. Also - the end themesong makes me think of that movie nightrider, with the talking car. And, Austin's cat being named as a sponsor always gets me. I will be imploring my pets to donate as well.

[@Mk_Champ]

Super proud how you represented Astrology. Thank you Chris

[@lindaholman2630]

Carl YUNG said astrology is the greatest course in psychology you can take.

[@Umuma871]

Inspired idea Chris thank you so much 🙌🏾🙏🥰

[@sirin844]

I'm so glad I watched this. It gave me a lot of ideas about how to approach skepticism. I appreciate your podcast and the clarity you give to astrology. :)

[@lisawomyn21]

Chris, your brilliance and humility is so inspiring! Thanks for YOU!!

[@akindertone]

A great interview! Chris' explanations are so comprehensive. Thank you.

[@chocoboasylum]

Funny how they just happened to have a chart where a correction of 1 minute in their birth time made such a difference.

[@EvelineReinke]

but not every astrologer uses wholesignhouses. Another aastrologer would have explained how the ascendant moves from one sign to another and the ruler of it but not every planet would have been in another house.

[@FourthOneIsIt]

It's a fractal universe, that's all. It's a very well-defined principal. Every part is in any part. Like a holograph. Check out the World Science Fair on the subject of a fractal, holographic world. One could learn to read anything. Like throwing I Ching sticks.

[@eftihiawilliams7320]

Thank you Chris for the unaffected elegance of your authentic approach to dialogue. Alert, focussed and accessibly scholarly ,your transmission of information and metaphors alike, compellingly resonates. Thus illuminating both Principles and Possibilities alike.

[@Gracundrprssure]

Chris what a phenomenal podcast and you were masterful throughout the interview.... thank you 🙏🏼 they could review the podcast for 2020 and the monthly updates to see the incredible accuracy of events during specific transits and dates. And listen to 2021 and What has rolled in January- as you all nailed the events on the 6th

[@duckyte1]

Once again, Chris - I am totally amazed with your ability to present astrology, your beliefs, explanations, theory, facts and what not to the skeptics. I could listen to your teachings for hours! You are never forcing people to change their beliefs, but rather calmly elaborate on whatever is being thrown at you (I do not mean negatively, just in general). Thank you and next thing I need to do is to buy your book😎💪🏻

[@shelliecrowastrology2923]

You never cease to amaze me, Mr. Brennen! And kudos to your thoughtful guests. 😊

[@marisazammit6249]

Such an open, honest discussion of astrology. Chris, you are so fair, calm headed and articulate and give astrology the kind of attention it deserves, such an ancient tool, if it did not work it would not have lasted so long.

[@MsLS8]

I think astrology is very useful to look at one’s karma and karmic purpose of one’s life, potentials and areas of improvement I think that carries the most amazing message that we all get what we deserve and that our current existence is not pointless and we carry this on to the future

[@jenbrown1078]

This was great!!!! Enjoyed every second👍

[@juliegiles334]

Excellent job! Chris was a great choice for this podcast. Thanks.

[@kathleenbarry2944]

Really enjoyed this podcast, as did my husband (which is really saying something)! I thought you did a great job giving some history and validity, though I don't think they quite grasped the scientific methods that validate the idea of astrology. It's difficult to see past the pop culture and shallow understanding of it. My own sun sign is Gemini and my entire youth up until finding your podcasts thought that was all there was to it, therefore I had such a misconception of my own personality. Learning about the rising sign and digging deeper into different alignments I see myself so much more clearly now. If only you had the time to go over that with them or the one at the end to show how it can work.

[@petitepigeon3174]

Loved this episode! A respectful conversation between people truly wanting to learn and attempt to open their mind. I'm glad you mentioned Bill Nye and Cosmos, Chris ; growing up, I was very much against astrology, thinking it was, as Carl Sagan put it, a scam, a pseudoscience that we cannot and should not rely on. Glad I didn't stick to his opinion and went to see for myself what astrology was all about, since it's bringing me a lot of joy and appreciation for the world we live in :)

[@TheRenekruse]

You always have a choice and you will make the choice you are fated to make.

[@astraeusgodofthestars676]

When Astrologers said last year that Astrology will be revived with the Saturn-Jupiter conjunction in Tropical Aquarius, I know that would be true. And this is the start. Thank you so much for sharing this video sir Chris. I'm always your fan since I discovered Hellenistic Astrology way back in 2017. Greetings from PH 🇵🇭 💐💐💐💐💐💐

[@kineticastrology]

Such a great discussion and I felt like I was bursting at the seams wanting to explain so much to these guys! They had great questions and kudos to them for being curious about the world. Hope they can come on again and a discussion about gravity, wavelengths, quantum physics, sacred geometry, and perhaps steering them toward Nassim Haramein would be helpful for all their questions about "the mechanics of astrology". Also, the book, Physics of Astrology, might help them alongside learning the deep cultural and historical history of this practice. Super great discussion, thanks for having it! 🪐

[@tatisloveoth]

Wonderful discussion, you made me fall in love with astrology all over again 😊

[@bethselgrade9792]

I just want to say thank you Chris. You truly are important in the field of astrology.

[@cindychin1111]

What I liked best about this episode was learning about your path to astrology and some of the struggles with misconceptions people have. You were eloquent and clear, thank you!

[@andreac.6779]

I just fall in love with this Ian...

[@CatarinaAntunesYouTube]

As a member of this community (of astrologers) i cannot thank you enough!!

[@bokky24]

SUCH INTEGRITY from ALL PARTIES^^ Bravo!!!

[@natureconnectionastrology]

Thank you Chris for explaining astrology so comprehensively in this show. As a student I feel very strongly about the affirming quality of particularly psychological astrology which can be so healing and freeing but it's not always easy to explain to friends how or why it works. However after listening to you explaining historically and culturally I feel a lot better equipped to do so. Like getting a really good bird's-eye view of how astrology sits in our human context.

[@dimitrioskazaglias]

Very very interesting video! Have you considered of touching topics like: 1) Why the planets have the properties and qualities they have? Are these properties there since their creation in the beginning of the solar system? 2) If yes what would the properties of planet earth be for a person been born for example on Mars? Since Mars takes Earth's place, then there couldn't be any effect of Earth s Moon to that person and if not would the Moons of Mars Phobos and Deimos replace the properties of the Moon in some way? How would astrology work on a different location of our universe? 3) Are the properties of the signs contained only within our Milky Way Galaxy or are they universal? Thank you! These questions bother me for years!

[@user-hd7ks7eb1x]

Incredible episode Chris! You're the best!

[@grapeypear4558]

Wow that was so impressive! Chris, you should be very proud 👏👏👏👏

[@mnqmaldonado]

Glad I made it to 2:04 to hear the guests question their grasps on “science”. My initial reaction to them holding Wikipedia’s declaration of astrology being pseudoscience was like “come on guys, y’all have to know how Wikipedia articles are created”.

[@jennyd_1111]

Thank you so much for everything you do.

[@claraalexandrapasquali5408]

Wonderful Chris!💫✨Bravo🥇

[@shamankaangel-heart7509]

you did amazing Chris. you did yourself and astrologers proud i believe x

[@cosmicprogram]

In my research into this ( of many yrs), most people are NOT astrology skeptics or non believers, they may or may not be interested but they often will be interested enough to listen politely or engage with it. Most people respond to evidence and most people have a healthy level of humility and imagination and ARE OPEN to topics that may be alien to them. The astrology skeptics are often MILITANT emotional types, they behave like a MOB, they have a massive issue with anything NEW AGE, they always have a smirk, mockery always follows, and they always manage to create a battle of MENSA membership, IQ levels, race wars, gender wars, etc. They also seem to have an issue with WOMEN, and minorities etc ( Incel community is a HUGE % of such folks and I think I know why). When I look at such charts, I see a damaged jupiter/9th house/sag realm, every single time. Vedic texts literally identified these eons ago. So my conclusion has been, anytime someone who has NEVER even had a reading, doesn't even know the background to astrology, not even the wikipedia propaganda version, and has such a strong opinion ( you all know how anti astrology jihadusts react), the BEST action is NO ACTION. Leave. Do not engage with them AT ALL. DO NOT offer to read their charts, DO NOT educate them, DO NOT provide links and books and try to explain the sciences ( something I used to do as a PhD engineer). It is pointless, 100% of the time. The issue they have isn't logic or proper information or lack of clarity or confusion. You could provide them peer-reviewed articles and they will DOUBLE DOWN. They ENJOY going after anything right brain bc their right brain is CEMENTED. IT is not functional. They CANNOT compute and comprehend new age topics, nor can they litrature, poetry or quantum physics. They are newtonian reductionists, and live in FEAR. They lack imagination due to dysfunctional right brain. Einstein, wrote what he wrote about imagination probably after dealing w such folks.

[@MarvelGirl100]

THANK YOU, CHRIS....ADAM ELENBASS SPOKE OF YOU AND HERE I AM. GREAT TOPIC AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING SUCH GREAT GUESTS. HOW WE BELIEVE THE WAY WE DO.....??? GREAT WAY AT TACKLING ASTROLOGY. JAN 25 2021

[@kathrynfisher2982]

Also, I think something that is SUPER evident and distinct is your concentration on the subject itself rather than letting your personal ego get worked up .... and I think this is really what makes a great ambassador for astrology! The funny thing is .... most people hold others input to standards that they don't hold themselves to .... in example, these people were much more critical of your thinking and really didn't seem to be very focused on applying the same critique to their own .... although they attempted to create the image they were doing this but even that had a kinda shallow undertone. Its like, can people just play fair? Their feelings seem to get hurt when in reality they're the ones asking about the truth ... right? If people want the truth .... then .... lol

[@karenoleary2273]

Hi Chris- I just viewed your show today 5/21 - You were great representing Astrology - so sound, so smart.

[@angelareynolds1111]

Ty so much Chris for doing this show!! I’ve been very interested in astrology but I have no idea where to start!

[@malikperry1007]

Chris went full beast mode! Respect!

[@kathrynfisher2982]

Wow! You are so very Impressive! I Absolutely Positively Love your Approach and modesty and also your plethora of knowledge that you deliver in such an effective way that is concrete and matter of fact while still conveying a natural, intuitive understanding .... beyond this observable world! I feel like you actually know what people are going to say, because you've probably heard it all, your position in this world is specific. You are necessary! I'm happy you exist!

[@rabbinirvana]

Such a great discussion here........ As one who is by no means a professional astrologer, one thing I like to point out when small talking with non-astrologers is the 4 Saturn-Pluto conjunctions that occurred between 1900 and 2020 and their correlation with : the bloodiest year of WW1 (1916), the beginning of the Cold War (1947), The AIDS pandemic (1982, when the term first came into use, though it began in 1981), and finally 2020 with Covid. And I can show them on my tablet using the Stellarium app, that way they see an actual star map of the sky along with the planetary movements rather than an unfamiliar astrological chart wheel.

[@patriciawilliams3735]

This is brilliant Chris 😊

[@crystaldragonwoman]

I am curious if they have had their charts read ?

[@flyleelee5351]

I would have loved to see that. That would make a believer out of them 😆

[@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL]

That is absolutely the way this should have gone... these skeptic guys are quite dull imo

[@samanthas8340]

Did you guys notice the 10th house ruler neptune in the eighth 😁? pretty fitting if you ask me.

[@lindaholman2630]

I love listening to this podcast and reading at the same time. Five times already in the past hour I have heard you say a word as I am reading. It happens all of the time. That fifteen minutes of fame energy is in play.

[@cosmicqi7916]

Chinese Astrology is NOT based on your year of birth. The focus is on your day of birth. The year tells you nothing without relating it to the day. The confusion may be all the publicity over the Chinese New Year. This is a celebration for Spring Festival, traditionally for Farmers (which was the majority in old China) to bring in the new harvest year. Ancient Chinese were not educated, so well-known animals were used to represent Time. The animal name, for example Year of the Ox, is to define the actual year, it has no astrological interpretation. Chinese Astrology on the other hand, uses a Solar calendar which begins approximately on the 4th of February every year. One must have an awareness of Chinese culture to interpret its astrology, using western concepts to understand it can be problematic. The closest correlation I can find for interpretation is: the year represents where Jupiter will be in a Sidereal chart. So having your year pillar as Ox, is similar to Jupiter in Capricorn.

[@edwardwhite907]

Adding to that, the serious forms of chinese natal astrology (eg Eight characters, Ziwei Doushu) involve casting charts that go down to the *hour* of birth. (Some even go so far as to cast charts for 15 minute increments)

[@astraeusgodofthestars676]

As someone who is self-studying Hellenistic, Vedic, and Chinese Astrology, I say YES to your comment. If Western Astrology has birth chart, Chinese Astrology has BaZi. If Vedic Astrology they have Vastu Shastra and Nakashatras, in Chinese Astrology they have Feng Shui, Gua, and Chinese Lunar Mansion. Both systems parallel each other so much! Side note: Mayan Astrology is very difficult for me to understand as of now lol. Maybe because it's so different from Western/Asian style of Astrology especially on it's orientation.

[@cosmicqi7916]

@ That's partly my point, On its own, it doesn't mean much.

[@cosmicqi7916]

@ yes, for a sidereal chart.

[@NathanKibler]

Jupiter is a planet, sometimes called wanderer because it follows the ecliptic in the path of the Sun's movement in the sky, unlike fixed stars that do not follow the Sun. Along this ecliptic twelve constellations are identified and relate to the twelve symbolic divisions of the astrologic zodiac. Capricorn is one section covering a time period that is usually in the mid winter on the northern hemisphere. Its symbol is that of a goat with a fish tale. A general delineation for Jupiter in Capricorn is growth through practical means. Jupiter is seen as a planet bringing positive influence that can increase benefits for the individual; Capricorn is said to be a cardinal earth sign, cardinal meaning initiating and primal, earth meaning grounded and potent, so combining those individual meanings is how western Astrology builds up a basic Zodiacal symbolism. A typical Astrology chart has a few more layers though, so not much more can be said without talking more about how you are applying this information.

[@delphisquirrel2430]

The Tardis didn’t do a good enough job of blending in the background. I noticed it.

[@CrystalUniverseCity]

Chris, your my favorite teacher.

[@lreed1024]

Does anyone remember the podcast number Chris referred to that discusses the Reagans? I want to listen to that one as well.

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

It is episode 68, but there is only an audio version on the podcast website: theastrologypodcast.com/2016/03/08/joan-quigley-reagan-and-astrology/

[@JKB25]

This is a great talk to share with someone who does not understand Astrology. Especially the scientific minds.

[@emilymarty1894]

This is so good. Thank you.

[@sunmoon9574]

So good!🙌🏽 What an honourable discussion🌹. Also, obviously curious to know "that placement" that many astrologers have and are shy about revealing (as far as I understood). Anybody know? lol

[@poojasharma-xc9un]

When people ask that what's the physics or mechanism of how astrology work or brings it's effects in real world..I wonder if they have understood the 'being' itself? Human existence has the both Physical and metaphysical aspects...It is the latter which is in touch with astrological energies.. So when you have the answer for ' Who am I?...you will know the mechanics too...

[@MarvelGirl100]

THE GREAT QUESTION IS AT 17:25........GREAT QUESTION THAT MOST ASK AND NEVER PONDER....

[@meredithr9824]

What great answers! And great questions.

[@barbarabee2391]

2:03:30 Playing this back for a second time. Is anyone else wondering what Shaye's natal placements are? Oftentimes I can hear people's charts through the words that they speak. And if I were to guess, I would bet that he has his sun, moon, rising OR the ruler of one of those placements in a fixed sign. And if I were to guess further, I'd say that the two fixed signs could either be Taurus and/or Aquarius. Also, based on the shape of his face and his skepticism, I would also guess that he too has a strong Virgo placement in one of his top three. Would've loved to see his chart to get confirmation. ***Update*** So I went down the rabbit hole and clicked the link to their podcast in the description. Clicked on their astrology podcast #1. Straightaway, they were discussing their horoscope on the Co-star app and Shaye stated (indirectly) that he's a Taurus sun. So I definitely guessed correctly. ONLY now I'm wondering if he subconsciously picked up characterizing himself as "fixed" only after having read an astrological description of his Taurus sun. OR if "fixed" was previously how he described himself prior to reading stuff about his sun sign. AND finally, it makes sense that he and his co-podcast partner (Ian) are touching on esoteric subjects given that Uranus (ruling astrology) is transiting his sun sign. :-)

[@OlgaRykov]

I think the biggest issue with 'skepticism' towards astrology is that it's commendable by our society in general. Essentially it's people seeking approval from others and generating a point of similarity with someone on the basis of dismissing it demonstratively. At times it seems that astrology is a scape goat to be used to bond over with others. Like people will either fail to agree on the majority of things or worse yet - will be afraid to even open up about things important to them, lest they are disagreed with or judged - but dissing astrology is like a safe circle jerk about how smart and clear-headed everyone is. And then comes the scientific dilemma - if you don't know what it is, you never looked at the thing, never studied it, never attempted at applying it - can you pass judgement on it? If this is not the most unscientific approach to treat something with I don't know what is.

[@charliebook3343]

This was awesome!

[@knitinpeace1430]

Great discussion! Thank you

[@barbarabee2391]

Just two minutes in and am psyched by this topic. Too tired to finish watching tonight. Will pickup in la manana.

[@echebert]

good work Chris^

[@captainnolan5062]

It would seem that the best way to convince an (open minded and truthful) skeptic would be to interpret their chart for them and let them see how close you are to describing them and their life.

[@lindaholman2630]

Athena maybe is involved with card reading. The numbers base of ten and the signs base of twelve are involved with the tarot. The last t in the word Tarot is to depict the cycle of four seasons (Heard the word seasons as I started to type it) beginning their cycle --again.

[@ShelbyyShares]

great episode chris!

[@azurastrologue]

Really enjoyed the episode overall but I have to say I am a little bit disappointed about some elements in the discussion around 1h20 about gender and women being more interested in astrology. I feel like neurosexism and bio-essentialist assumptions (ie "women are naturally more x") could be challenged more. I agree that toxic masculinity is at play there and I wish there was more commitment to denouncing it. On the subject, my go-to recommendation is the book "Delusions of Gender" by Cordelia Fine, the neuroscientist who coined "neurosexism", it does a great job at underlining how the naturalisation of sexism is not at all good science and just an attempt at legitimising patriarchy through dubious methods. It makes no doubt to me that sexist conditioning and marketing resulted in more women being into astrology. In fact, I very often see misogyny in the way skeptics attack astrology; I do not see the same aggressiveness towards psychoanalysis or even some parts of psychiatry, even though the lack of scientific evidence to support some of its principles is often glaring, and even though these institutions have caused (and still do) far more violence (forced institutionalism, forced medication, conservatorships, medical mutilation such as lobotomy, etc) than astrology ever did to my knowledge. One can wonder why astrology is such an easy target, and I definitely think misogyny is at play, even when it's male astrologers who are attacked: they're attacked in part for engaging with something which is associated with women.

[@hinnyastrology]

Brilliant comment :))

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

I had a much more nuanced discussion about this topic in episode 189 that I think you would like: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGK4mqOsfayKsKM

[@danswantarot4946]

Women are usually more interested than men though? Just my observation. I wish it wasn't that way though. I'm a tarot reader and its similar with that too

[@azurastrologue]

@@TheAstrologyPodcast Thanks! I started watching it recently but never got around to finishing it, I'll do that soon. My point still stands though, esp since this episode is more recent.

[@azurastrologue]

@@danswantarot4946 I struggle to figure out where in what I said you thought I said the contrary? My point is not that the statement "Women tend to be more interested than men in astrology/tarot/whatever" is false; it's that the assumptions we make about *why* that is, are rooted in misogyny and a naturalisation of patriarchy. That is to say, instead of acknowledging that our culture encourages or conditions men and women to behave a certain way, we try to find convoluted pseudo-scientific explanations for it ("Male brains and female brains are probably different", etc). Hope this clarifies what I meant by my first comment!

[@allisonsaupe]

Maybe with advances in technology of increasingly in-depth statistical analysis applied to astrology, the scientific collective will gradually acknowledge the strong correlations found in mundane studies at least. such deep and vast and spiritual bases of astro influences make formal methods difficult. Also as we learn how subconscious beliefs shape our reality from new physics and biochemistry neurology etc fields of study, we may begin to see how subjective experience and participation with the material info/ancient knowledge,, Is key. Just my initial thoughts listening here. Appreciate your contribution more everyday, Chris.

[@ryancombass2846]

The answer to why astrology works is simple and super-overlooked. Electromagnetism. Sect works because the Sun, Jupiter, and Saturn have electromagnetic fields, while the Moon, Venus, and Mars do not. Our DNA is magnetic. Ignore the signs behind the planets and simply use them as marking points to make things easier to map from a geocentric perspective on Earth. What’s happening is the solar system is a grid in and of itself. If we look at the solar system from a bird’s eye view, we’re seeing huge balls of mass have gravitational and electromagnetic effects on the Earth and everyone occupying the Earth. That’s why astrology works.

[@LGaud100]

Love this-accurate & well articulated-thank you for sharing!

[@lkhfun6575]

Very interesting discussion.