Bob-VA | Atheism Is Just An Argument From Personal Incredulity | The Atheist Experience 26.33

[@ojrmk1]

"Atheism comes from a fear of the unknown..." If this guy was projecting any harder he'd have an IMAX rating.

[@acetrades1524]

This comment wins the day.

[@henrim9348]

Religious people are champions of projection. I used to watch fox noise ... until I realized... all they do is projection. They might not religious themselves, but their core audience is.

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@henrim9348 Who is the God being worshipped and glorified by religious people? - The Creator, the God of the Christ? OR Satan the Devil, the God of the anti-Christs? Do you happen to know?

[@donnyh3497]

Well played sir

[@jimdietrick1681]

Atheism is embracing the unknown.

[@Robeebert]

The irony of them having to explain to Bob why they aren't committing a fallacy, and then Bob committing the fallacy of him accusing them committing.

[@tracerhobbes9722]

"You're saying that the power of nothing, unintelligent thinking, created a sustainable universe?" Congratulations Bob, that was a classic, textbook argument from incredulity.

[@mofobecks]

I was coming here to comment the same thing!

[@mofobecks]

@@tracerhobbes9722 he also did the whole if things were slightly different then how is it we’re here kinda thing

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

Irony-ception? LOL

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

@@tracerhobbes9722 "No, Bob, I'm just saying I don't believe YOUR supposed 'explanation'. That's a nasty underhanded vicious attempt at strawmanning, though..."

[@Z4r4sz]

Bob is one of the average online christians who cant understand fallacies but constantly accuses others of committing them.

[@iAtheist4Life]

😆

[@archapmangcmg]

He's part of the swarm of Christians who zerg rush atheists with terrible apologetics.

[@KC-py5vq]

@@archapmangcmg then when we get tired of addressing their fallacious arguments they assert “checkmate”

[@kattihatt]

@@archapmangcmg zergling rush, then quickly go mutas.

[@Daniel-wr9ql]

The kind of Christians who think they use reason to achieve their conclusion while not knowing how to think critically 🤡

[@lorenemaurer3310]

Skeptics: "I'm skeptical." Bob: "That's not skepticism! My personal incredulity causes me to believe that your beliefs are out of personal incredulity."

[@joulian]

I can't believe your beliefs can come from something other than personal incredulity therefore I'm right :P

[@lorenemaurer3310]

@@joulian The irony

[@kevinlakeman5043]

H can't even pronounce the word correctly who of course he only partially grasps the meaning or concept.

[@reptoidrenaissance]

@@kevinlakeman5043 He obviously just learned the term recently, but didn't bother learning the actual definition before using it as many times as possible in 15 minutes.

[@nicholashazel7049]

"Trust me bro, I know you."

[@thaimperial97]

This caller was the perfect of example of someone "Listening just to respond" Instead of "Listening to understand " He's soo convinced of his own bs that he can't imagine his opinions and beliefs being wrong 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Virtualblueart]

You can hear him prattling on constantly in the background as the hosts are explaining their views. Classical tactic for avoiding hearing something that might challenge your convictions.

[@grantm6514]

More like "responding instead of listening"

[@jeffreylehman1159]

@@Virtualblueart That is so typical of theists on this show, they don’t listen because if they try to understand what the host is saying, they might either question their beliefs, or have to do some original thinking to support their position.

[@k0lpA]

it's always like that.. they are there to convince themselves or something..

[@revwillyg6450]

That didn't sound like my mom on the line😂😂

[@BigTwitchy]

Wow, she formulated the most polite version of “fuck off and bother someone else with your bullshit” I have ever heard.

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

Well, Shannon IS from 'Canadia'...the place where they're all polite because they outsourced all their anger and aggression into Canada Geese (/s, of course, but heard that line and loved it.)

[@carl5438]

LOL. Good one.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

Atheism is pretty much the default position here in Scotland. I find the idea that being an atheist is a fringe position to be both alien and - frankly - a damning failure of American education.

[@patriceriksson7924]

Same here in Scandinavia.

[@BigRalphSmith]

Same here in America... except for the first part.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Atheism is the default position.

[@hakureikura9052]

I will argue that there is supposed to be no such thing as atheism. Hear me out. As far as i know, most people live their lives without knowing the god of other religions. Many of them are just brainwashed to be biased towards their own belief system. So a person who grow up without ever being indoctrinated... Just grew up... a normal person. A person who will not believe in incredulous tales of magic and myth. But looking closely, isnt... what normal people do to other religions, are also the same thing they do to other religions? When a christian is askes to believe in thor, he'd ask for proof. But not when its his own fairy tale. Basically, what i observe is; A person who believes in bronze age fairy tales. And a normal person. Calling us atheists is just projection. A christian is atheistic towards hinduism. And a hindu is atheistic towards christians. So to me the term atheist is just to shallow of a word to describe us. I prefer to call a person who doesnt believe in any gods, a normal person. That's it...

[@WhoThisMonkey]

@@hakureikura9052 Is it abnormal to believe in a god? Humans are prone to flights of fancy, we aren't all born with an inherent sense of rationality. Yes, we are born without a belief and it gets introduced to us later, but there is also the possibility of a person creating their own god or godlike concept. Having an imaginary friend as a child is pretty common for one example.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

If the Atheist Experience has taught me nothing else, it's that smug condescension is a pretty accurate indictor of someone who is deeply ignorant of the topics they discuss. Applicable in pretty much every conversation/ argument/ debate.

[@grahvis]

It is the arrogance of ignorance.

[@ravarga4631]

Yes whenever i suspect i am getting smug i know from experience that i am straying onto thin ice, sawing off the limb im sitting on, about to be served a bowl of crow or humble pie,i said i was experienced, eh! Lol.

[@nagranoth_]

Yep, pretty much.

[@adriancoppola3729]

Classic Dunning Kruger 🙁

[@happymaskedguy1943]

Essentially: 'Whatever you think you know, you're probably wrong'

[@WintersunExtras]

I love how he accuses Atheists of using an argument from incredulity, then at the end he USES an argument from incredulity. Brilliant.

[@jaflenbond7854]

THEISTS or fanatic JWs, Born Agains, Muslims, Mormons, etc. who worship Satan the Devil as their God and believe in the LIES and foolishness of the anti-Christs about Trinity, Armageddon, heaven and hellfire, reincarnation, rapture, etc. are nothing but shameless, foolish, and worthless human beings who'll just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their inescapable deaths. ATHEISTS who worship the fictional Harry Potter and Santa Claus and believe in the fairy tales and fantasies of the Lord of the Rings and Spiderman are nothing but shameless, foolish, and worthless human beings who'll just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their inescapable deaths. LOVING, kind, and respectful persons who hated and rejected all the LIES and foolishness of Satan's anti-Christs will be blessed, favored, rewarded and honored by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Christ, the Creator's Anointed and Chosen King and Ruler.

[@leonardo.hm96]

A theist contradicting themselves and not being consistent with their points? Feels like I've seen that before.

[@puckerings]

Same deal with Christians who claim that atheism is a faith-based position...while at the same time arguing that it's perfectly reasonable to hold a faith-based position.

[@Dsullivann]

Isn't this show amazing? I've been watching for over a decade now and I'm never disappointed

[@anthonylong9067]

If christians do it, it’s not incredulity. It’s logic we simply cannot comprehend because god

[@happymaskedguy1943]

Man, Bob has a LOOOONG way to go towards a half-competent faculty for critical thinking.

[@TheSnoeedog]

let's not mince words....Bob has a LOOOOONG way to go before the nurses will let him go to the bathroom alone or write with anything sharper than a crayon. "I'm talking about incrudelityitydelutidy" - anyone who's seen the episode of "Last Week Tonight" on Televangelists knows, "I DON'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!"

[@Heathen.Deity.]

He’s also got a long way to go to achieve the basics of active listening skills. It’s never a surprise when those who are utterly incapable of listening for 30 seconds, also show how little they have learned in life.

[@larryfulkerson4505]

Christianity got started when an April Fool's joke got way the fuck out of hand.

[@jquest99]

I thought it was when someone had premarital sex, got pregnant, and had to come up with an explanation for the pregnancy without getting stoned by the village.

[@kizza390]

@@jquest99 I can hear Baldrick in the background "I have a cunning plan ...".

[@vic.smittie.5668]

@@jquest99 🤦🤣🤣🤣👍

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

When a woman got pregnant before marriage and didn't want to be stoned to death, but yeah....

[@user-qo8xk7tg5b]

It got started when someone made a dollar.

[@darthvirgin7157]

bob just learned the meaning of the word INCREDULITY, so he’s been trying to use it as much as he can to sound SMARTER than he actually is.

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

That's what it sounds like lol like a kid trying to impress his parents for learning a new word lol

[@reptoidrenaissance]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[@ahtech1990]

Hands down my favorite part is when Secular Rarity asks Bob what Shannon's objection was in order to point out that the caller wasn't listening to her at all, and didn't understand her objection to begin with.

[@donnyh3497]

Bob is the kind of theist that other theists would rather didn't try to represent them because he not only has nothing to offer but he doesn't even seem to understand his own thoughts enough to put them into a coherent statement.

[@archapmangcmg]

90% of Christian apologists give the rest of Christians a bad name.

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

Bob is a Cargo Cult 'debater'. He tries to use the *forms* that rational debate uses, refusing to understand that it's the *substance* underlying such arguments that makes them valid.

[@jebclang9403]

Don't forget about the banana's !!

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

@Guitarzen Disagree. Some are ok and just want to live by rules to be good people. They aren't the ones we hear from, though, and by not leaving religion they tacitly approve of the vile ones.

[@emdivine]

I've yet to see a theist that other theists *would* rather try to represent them. They all either try the big stage and fail, or form/join their own insular cults. Or figure it out and leave the religion, of course :) That's kind of the point of this show to begin with: absolutely anyone can call in and make their arguments. Everyone is welcome to, and even with that open criteria nobody succeeds in being a good representative for any god.

[@gary_stavropoulos]

It is annoying when someone’s strategy is to not listen and repeat their flawed “point” then claim victory.

[@iAtheist4Life]

Lmaoooo yep, sure is. 😂

[@gavsmith1980]

And it was just brilliant the moment when SR made Bob recognise that he had no intention of learning where he was going wrong.

[@ajclements4627]

Claiming victory is pretty much what every caller and troll in the threads does 24/7.

[@thekububeach]

Legend has it that he is still using the 'You can't explain reality' argument to argue about everything

[@trafficjon400]

@@iAtheist4Life Its not funny when Many christians are tortured mentally by a believing truth that never becomes any truth at all.

[@InterestsMayVary2234]

He called to talk at you and got frustrated when he realized you weren't going to let him preach at you.

[@13shadowwolf]

Bob demonstrates the problem. He can't figure it out, he lacks the capacity to understand the concepts he is talking about. Then, he projects his incredulity outwards. Bob's problem, is that he lacks the ability to understand complex issues. He needs to see things very simply, and he thinks that other people are on his level. In reality, Bob is a child trying to be part of the adult conversation and it shows.

[@patriceriksson7924]

You pretty much nailed it!

[@feedingravens]

Well, it is called "the children of God"... The whole strategy of religion since humans exist is to bind people to them, to get control over them. By offering them great promises (eternal happiness in heaven), simple ruled being saved, being ALWAYS RIGHT in whatever you think or do - for the small price of believing in a handful of slogans and NOT questioning them. As reward you get a beautiful gut feeling,

[@trafficjon400]

@@feedingravens Then turns to confusion and torturous when they don't fallow up like.

[@Z4r4sz]

The "he needs to see things very simply" reminds me of a conversation with ray comfort on the street. He always pretends to be a scientist, uses only simple terms and when educated guy used big terms on him he demanded to hear simple terms because he is just a simple guy. Like bob they have no clue and lie about everything over and over and over.

[@13shadowwolf]

@@Z4r4sz William Lane Criag tries to appear as if he has complex concepts to explain; but when you replace the overly complicated language with simplified terminology, his arguments are "I feel".

[@Scroticus_Maximus]

Been watching off and on for years. I had no idea Shannon was so eloquent. The spontaneity of her response so immediate and brilliant. No b*******. Thanks for taking the time to be there.

[@Scroticus_Maximus]

@@michaelmoore5928 Agreed

[@stopmojim]

Bob understands, he just can't absorb it without putting a huge kink in his faith. It's the catch 22 that keeps the status quo. He did realize however that he is not "debating" on Facebook anymore.

[@gleniliffe]

When he started blathering about fine tuning and degrees of movement in the earth, my brain instantly went to the classic SciManDan line: "A 15 degree per hour drift... Thanks Bob"! 😂

[@krissykatportal]

He learned a new word and just wanted to try it out.

[@iAtheist4Life]

😆👍

[@KC-py5vq]

You can tell by how many times he kept repeating it

[@frankensteinlives5451]

"What is reality?" Reality is what remains when YOU are removed from the picture.

[@IMD1Guru666]

The irony of Bob speaking about intelligence.

[@KC-py5vq]

He definitely doesn’t speak from experience

[@sarahchristine2345]

Shannon’s awesome, she’s one of my absolute faves!

[@gavsmith1980]

Great job from SR, got Bob to recognise that he has absolutely no intention of understanding why his point fails. Very clever.

[@foppishdilletaunt9911]

Very well handled call, as far as reality goes.

[@petercollier9073]

Shannon and Mr Secularity revealed themselves in this call (and no doubt many others) as genuinely wonderful people, incredibly patient and sincere with such a difficult caller, and their intellectual rigor a steel trap, Truly impressive, sets a high bar for all good people and thinkers, god bless ;!)

[@vitast2000]

The crazy thing is, he'll run back to his fellow theist and tell them how dumb he made those atheist on that call-in show look, and they will watch this video, and agree with him.

[@iAtheist4Life]

And then Chuck Norris's fist will come flying out of the screen and punch them both in the face. 😆

[@paddlefar9175]

@@iAtheist4Life Actually that punch would be a better thing to happen them then what their religion is going to do to them, frankly, ha! Just losing that hour a week alone over a lifetime, listening to nonsense, is bad enough. My kids went to a Catholic School because they could walk to it rather than have me drive them to a public school. (They are both Science educated and both atheists, so don’t worry.) One day I get a notice from the school about a sleep over at the school for the kids and guess who organized it? Yup! You’re right! The god damn Priest! Idiots are still hunting.

[@amathystunicorn]

@@iAtheist4Life unfortunately no. Chucky boy is just as deluded as they are.

[@ReddFoxx1562]

​@@iAtheist4Life ... hey man, have you heard of this Gangnam Style song?

[@freddan6fly]

The Personal Incredulity is strong with Bob.

[@teritrujillo6042]

I feel like he just learned that word and thought it sounded intelligent.

[@thefirm4606]

Something is strong yes 😂😂😂

[@aidanabregov1412]

Someone who can’t comprehend what “personal incredulity” means, uses his personal incredulity to call other people incredulous.

[@stephenroberts2526]

"I have an unprovable answer to an unknown, and it is incredulous that you say you don't have answers. So, I have to be right.", Bob said incredulously mindreading.

[@alexanderweddle3948]

Incredulity can be either a conclusion or a premise. The fallacy of incredulity is faulty reasoning which relies on incredulity as a premise: “I can’t imagine it; therefore, it is not true.” Incredulity as a conclusion of reasoning independent of a premise of incredulity is not a fallacy of incredulity.

[@nagranoth_]

Very well put. Of course Bob would need to actually listen and understand that point, which is really hard when every point he has is another logical fallacy.

[@eh9618]

Instead of "I can't imagine how it happened, therefore..." It is "These are the premises, i can't imagine how it happened" And just stop there.. no making claims without evidence. Come to think of it, the argument from personal incredulity is really similar to god of the gaps. "Idk, therefore god did it"

[@robmckennie4203]

A great explanation, better than they were able to come up with on the actual call 😂

[@alexanderweddle3948]

@@eh9618 , god of the gaps is similar, except that the fallacy is made to sound more objective by referring to the state of scientific knowledge. The premise “I can’t imagine how it happened” is replaced with “Science cannot explain how it happened.”

[@MichaelFoster1969]

@@alexanderweddle3948 That's because god of the gaps is an example of argument from personal incredulity

[@Hyperpandas]

The real irony is his argument about reality, the universe, gravity, etc. is an *actual* argument from personal incredulity.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Bingo.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

First time seeing Shannon Q in action. Great job! Great job to you both.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

"Lizard legs"!!!!😂😂😂

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

Holy cow, the unlikely prospect of ever having to debate Shannon both scares and excites. She's a force.

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

Guy had no problem with being unable to summarize Shannon's point. I want to say it'd be nice to see her show she understands his, but this guy reminds me of a good friend with whom I talk for hours without him understanding a damn thing. Only repeating things he has heard.

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

@@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong Something about over-educated Canadian girls. 😄 Welcome the gang. It's okay if you're not Canadian. Or a girl. 💗🇨🇦

[@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong]

@@empressoftheknownuniverse Yes. Definitely something about all I witnessed there. Over-educated, strong, and brilliant. *Shutters

[@collincricket]

What do you call a man floundering around in water ?, Bob.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

What do you call a man standing in a hole as deep as he is tall? Phil.

[@jbibro]

“I’ve been humiliating myself on Facebook for ten years.”

[@slyker25]

I had the exact same argument with this clown on Facebook. I even explained that he doesn't know what an incredulity fallacy is

[@FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb]

Can you tell me the name of the group? I'd love to see some back and forth.

[@trafficjon400]

@@kentonbaird1723 Who is Darf Dorkins? and why would they end up with this obnoxious Dork of Dorkins and what Orpheus Orpheum theaters do they atend to Dork in .🤔🧩😕😵😄😄

[@zoggdawg8141]

Good lord. How oblivious can a person be? Peak dishonesty and hypocrisy. The best part was when he admitted to doing the same thing he accused the hosts of.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Lord Farquad?

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

"EVERY accusation is a confession..."

[@WhoThisMonkey]

@@douglasthomashayden2566 You have too many fingers!

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

@@WhoThisMonkey What can I say? I'm a Motie!

[@aukemebel4263]

*Argument failes* "Random bullshit, GO!"

[@krishnav5122]

And he's back to "look at the trees" a.k.a fine tuning.

[@saikoakuma]

The projection is strong with this one, from start to finish.

[@unkaumanguy1439]

Like most brainwashed theists Bob doesn't want to discuss any points presented to him. He is incredulous to the extreme which is heart breaking to hear. He is lost to ridiculous fairytales.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

You should do that EVERY TIME!! "You say you understand, but you're demonstrating something else. Can you repeat back what I just said."

[@JS-os2qi]

Bob just learned a big word.

[@EricAxel36]

The 'fine-tuned' argument is a big LOL.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

It's preposterous on it's face. An all powerful creator deity would not need to fine tune anything - he could just make it all exist regardless.

[@cirick1696]

Bob may as well have been saying "Bananas are yellow, and you can't explain why so therefor God."

[@FourDeuce01]

Bob, like many theists, loves to show off his ignorance of atheism.🙈

[@berenjervin]

Listening to these people gets old after a while. These hosts have sooooo much patience!

[@grapeman63]

"Atheism comes from a fear of the unknown." This from a guy who believes in heaven and hell because he's petrified of the alternative!

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Ikr I almost spit out my drink when he said that lol

[@zekebuzby67]

I love the "The universe is fine tuned" argument. I hear it frequently and no it's very much not fine tuned for human life. Everything from cancer to eye glasses to toxic substances to one small planet.

[@reptoidrenaissance]

Yea, something like less than one billionth of a percent of the universe is even _hypothetically_ suitable for human life. The rest is actively hostile to it. So much for fine-tuning!

[@BootBizarre]

Bob, is your non-belief in Santa Claus also based on your personal incredulity?

[@TheHomininXInquiry]

Incredulity is refusal to believe something despite evidence shown for it. Skepticism is suspending belief until such time evidence can be provided. Big difference.

[@anthonymitchell9793]

He didn't listen to a single thing either host said.

[@devb9912]

if he'd listened it would have been much too hard to keep his current position.

[@cofty]

You both handled that very well. Impressive!

[@philkayo3905]

This was pretty demonstrative of every conversation about atheism with a theist, ever... painful.

[@Daniel-wr9ql]

Religion is so pitiful...

[@kjaime7030]

Bob himself is proof that there is no intelligent designer.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Brother Nathaniel deleted "The evidence was in the Dover trial. Before that, law wasn't attached to science or god. Every school was allowed to teach anything and everything. That wouldn't stop us from having good doctors to..."

[@iAtheist4Life]

What happened in that thread?

[@zoggdawg8141]

That dude has to be an atheist just trolling. People cant be that dumb, not even the worst theists.

[@LenHazell]

This is why I no longer engage with people like this, it is like talking to a brick wall and hoping the bricks will crumble, neither of them are actually going to listen you, nor understand you or are even capable of thinking about what you have said. Talking to such people is a waste of time.

[@inshadowz]

All I hear him say is “You don't know, therefore God!”, over and over and over.

[@TheRealJanKafka]

Why didn't they just quote Philip K. Dick to him? "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”

[@ericwilliams1659]

"I can lay eggs" Caller's inner thoughts "I mean she is an atheist, why not"

[@kevinhooper8859]

He is projecting his own incredulity.

[@az8theist977]

Bob's assertion that Earths orbit, if it only changes BY 1 PERCENT, will lead to destruction, demonstrates a COMPLETE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING of orbital dynamics and astronomy in general. What a waste of space between his ears.

[@matszz]

I love the title, because you already know that the caller has no idea what an argument from incredulity is.

[@carenome1]

I also notice that Bob is happy, VERY happy to talk over Shannon, but he WILL listen to her partner.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Good point

[@MrMattSax]

“I don’t know, therefor I don’t believe” is a very different statement then “I don’t know, therefor god exists”. He really doesn’t get the fallacy he’s claiming.

[@seoigh]

an exhaustive list of theists who are capable of listening:

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

The empty set?

[@jdevlin1910]

Hi bob, for your info, I'm athiest because ending up anything like you is really scary.

[@barryweatherley5046]

Let’s send Bob out into his “finely tuned universe” and see just how long he would survive…heck, we could just place him in the majority of our planet’s inhabitable areas…deserts, the expanse of water, volcanoes, mountaintops…

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Was thinking the same exact thing when he said it

[@ajclements4627]

Yeah, drop him on Mount Everest without survival gear and O2, see how “fine tuned” things are.

[@autonomouscollective2599]

I liked that fact that Secular Rarity (who is this guy? I’ve never seem him before) steered away from the fine tuning non sequitur and got the discussion back on topic. Far too often these debates go down those rabbit holes and become unhinged.

[@Oxus21]

“Atheism is an argument from incredulity.” Atheism isn’t an argument. It’s a lack of belief. Next topic.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

There was once a rather comical conversation between an all too honest theist caller and Matt, where Matt was asked if he’d rather me arrogant or ignorant. Bob is proving that you can certainly be both to a gross level.

[@1maulana]

Kudos to secular rarity for stepping @ the last minute saving the show when Forrest valkai camera had broken! Good man

[@Rage867]

Believing in magic is the cop out!

[@tshepokgwele1789]

Shannon is spitting bars.

[@truthserumbackup4151]

Atheism is, simply put, someone who does not believe the claim kf theists that "God exists" or "Gods exist". It is not a claim of "God does not exist" or "Gods do not exist", no matter the triggered theists say.

[@truvelocity]

You both handled it really well. Shannon, particularly you, I’ve been following you off and on for a few years now and I appreciate your knowledge on psychology and your conversational skills. You are polite and remain polite and its something that I appreciate.

[@ciri151]

''we have an organized universe that is fine tuned, that shows intelligence'' Yeah a universe with trillions of (as far as we know) empty planets. And we can only survive on 1 of those planets (Again, afawk). Even if we could survive on other planets outside of our solar system, we wouldn't even be able to get to them.. Yeah it was all made just for us....... 🤦🏽‍♂

[@Tiburon_Odyssey]

Bob's reply at 6:03 tells everyone listening that he doesn't know what the word incredulity means, or at the very least doesn't understand what an argument from incredulity is. SR gave a perfectly straightforward counter about which it shouldn't have been possible to be confused - namely, my not having an answer doesn't mean your answer is correct - and Bob inexplicably brings up his new favourite phrase. I would have been interested to hear his reasoning for that.

[@logan666]

I had a tough time with this one at first because my initial thought was, “yeah I guess I would have to say I’m incredulous to your God claims”. The difference is in SRs and SQs responses where the incredulity in the theists frame of reference is an answer to a question, rather than as a starting place to knowledge for an atheist. Sure we’re all incredulous, the question is are you ok with that being the end of the discussion?

[@oldmanaz.6811]

I am incredulous as well because there is no fact, so it isn't an argument from personal incredulity cause he has no fact to demonstrate.

[@drg8687]

Not really. Incredulous has more to do with seeing something you can't believe where as being skeptical means questioning something until there is sufficient evidence.

[@BootBizarre]

Incredulous is 'not willing or not able to believe something', but I've never heard anyone on the AE say they are 'not willing' or 'not able' to believe in a god. In fact as many hosts _DID_ at one point believe in a god, so clearly they are willing and able to believe in one, even though they are now atheists. I wonder how Bob would explain that? 🤔

[@splatted6201]

*Sure we’re all incredulous, the question is are you ok with that being the end of the discussion?* Right. The mistake about what argument from personal incredulity _is_ comes from loose thinking. But when we analyze, it's obvious that we are going to find people to be personally incredulous of a claim whenever they honestly take a position _against_ it. Argument from personal incredulity is the rather gross problem of trying to use a property of all honest disbelief as _proof_ of the contrary claim. One might switch perspectives and say that argument from personal incredulity is like argument from personal authority. After all, both are personal. Just as with personal incredulity being a property of disbelief, personal authority is a property of one who claims to have any degree of knowledge. The fallacy is in taking this generic property of believing oneself to be justified, and using that as the _only_ justification. It is obvious that, excepting possibly some abstract trivial claims, having personal authority to be justified on a claim means that you have _done some of the work of investigating the claim,_ and can retrace some of your steps by _providing other reasons_ for your belief.

[@derinderruheliegt]

@splatted Good distinctions made.

[@midnitemagic711]

Shannon is so good. Love her approach! Her reasoning and process is great.

[@chucknorris2266]

Bob is the type of theist that I love trolling on Facebook

[@iAtheist4Life]

😆

[@zhontac6194]

It is always fun to troll an asshole.

[@lissam8988]

Bob: I'm not living in reality... you are not hearing me on the phone. LOL 😂

[@iAtheist4Life]

😂

[@heinshaaine8153]

From Wikipedia: "The Azusa Street Revival was a historic series of revival meetings that took place in Los Angeles, California.[1] It was led by William J. Seymour, an African-American preacher. The revival began on April 9, 1906, and continued until roughly 1915. On the night of April 9, 1906, Seymour and seven men were waiting on God on Bonnie Brae Street, "when suddenly, as though hit by a bolt of lightning, they were knocked from their chairs to the floor," and the other seven men began to speak in tongues and shout out loud praising God. The news quickly spread; the city was stirred; crowds gathered; services were moved outside to accommodate the crowds who came from all around; people fell down as they approached, and attributed it to God; people were baptized in the Holy Spirit and the sick were said to be healed.[2] The testimony of those who attended the Azusa Street Revival was "I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost" in reference to the three works of grace of Holiness Pentecostals, the original branch of Pentecostalism.[3] To further accommodate the crowds, an old dilapidated, two-story frame building at 312 Azusa Street in the industrial section of the city was secured. This building, originally built for an African Methodist Episcopal (AME) church, had more recently been used as a livery stable, storage building and tenement house. In this humble Azusa Street mission, a continuous three-year revival occurred and became known around the world. Stanley H. Frodsham, in his book, With Signs Following, quotes an eye-witness description of the scene: The revival was characterized by spiritual experiences accompanied with testimonies of physical healing miracles,[4] worship services, and speaking in tongues. The participants were criticized by some secular media and Christian theologians for behaviors considered to be outrageous and unorthodox, especially at the time. Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century." If your "evicence for god" is a stopry about 7 men behaving crazy over 100 years ago, then you really are confused...

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

TL;dr - "we figured this bullshit scam could make us rich, and BOY HOWDY did it ever!"

[@tequilastealer]

11:57 Shannon's reaction to "The Earth moves left or right," is priceless.

[@reptoidrenaissance]

Wait until Bob finds out that the earth's orbit changes by a few thousand miles from the sun every few months, without wiping out all life on earth.

[@randomx4289]

We were all Atheists when we were born.

[@lnsflare1]

"Things have physical properties that interact with one another in consistent manners, therefore GAAAAAAWWWWWD."

[@n0etic_f0x]

I get his point but just apply it to Hinduism, Bob is just incredulous against the idea of other gods.

[@TracedaBassman]

What would American Christianity be without all the condescension and arrogance?

[@pencilpauli9442]

IMHO If someone makes a statement based on personal credulity, it's valid to retort with personal incredulity, because as Bob beautifully demonstrated, logic is a waste of energy when responding to apologists like him.

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

Bob for some reason never got around to telling us WHAT HIS GOD EVEN IS!

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Just like every theist that trolls this channel.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

We can be sure that Bob is incredulous when it comes to god(s).

[@MichaelFoster1969]

"So you're saying that things could be as they are via another way than the way I imagine it? You can't explain it therefore my idea has merit..." That's LITERALLY an argument from personal incredulity.

[@oldmanaz.6811]

The movement of the earth in its orbit is 100 or so miles in or out . Reality is that which can be demonstrated true and real to every individual.

[@t800fantasm2]

It's more like a few million miles difference....

[@oldmanaz.6811]

@@t800fantasm2 or that I erred on the side of caution.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@oldmanaz.6811 That's fair...

[@lipsucant]

The reality is that what can be demonstrated and then repeated is that Bob is ability to repeat that reality is made up by a mysterious thing, and not by verification of the things you can prove to be real and true through demonstration and repetition.

[@BootBizarre]

Incredulous is 'not willing or not able to believe something'... and yet, many AE hosts *_DID_* at one point believe in a god. I wonder how Bob would explain that? 🤔

[@UnintelligentDesigner]

His church performs miracles like making toast appear on Jesus, walking underwater, and bleeding sweat.

[@frankvee]

This guy isn’t listening to what the hosts are saying. It’s going in one ear and out the other. 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[@collincricket]

Yeah !, it's like there's nothing to stop it whizzing through one ear to the next.

[@chfr927]

Bob’s argument: I am so incredulous that you are incredulous.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

There was a young fellow called Bob, who called in to argue for « god »; his ignorance strong, he was never wrong and sounded like a bit of a knob.

[@mcarp555]

"It's fine-tuned for existence! That proves intelligence!" - Not on Bob's part.

[@JimJonesKoolaid]

From the few shows ive seen of Shannon, shes fucking hilarious with her deadpan.

[@nagranoth_]

And it completely flies over the head of most callers.