Diana-KS | Atheists Cannot Judge Good & Bad | The Atheist Experience 26.41

[@waynetec13]

"I was an atheist, but I found too many contradictions, so I became a catholic." I think my brain just leaked out of my ear.

[@casparuskruger4807]

ha ha!

[@wread1982]

She is supporting child predator priests

[@ACAB.forcutie]

No no, she explained it perfectly in the call. She wants justification to kill people. She wants to only be accountable to her imaginary friend, who has questionable morals at best, instead of real life people.

[@sonja4164]

I know! 😥😢😭

[@Raptor3388]

Everytime they say they used to be atheists, I smell BS. There's no contradiction in atheism, it's a conclusion due to a lack of evidence, so these are the words of a preacher of some sort.

[@boomdelted]

"I'm not a psychopath I just did it for god" type of lady

[@BobSacamano666]

Mass shooter mentality

[@claudiasolomon1123]

You did it all for the nookie??

[@MaxPulse1]

🤣🤣

[@boomdelted]

@@claudiasolomon1123 how about you take that mf cookie, and preform a colonoscopy with it 🧐

[@frankmurphyburr3598]

🤣

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

The horrifying part is, people like her are on local School Boards, and in our Governments.

[@lucylane7397]

Maybe in America not really in civilized countries

[@joejoe-lb6bw]

And, many are trying to make the USA a Theocracy. Maybe they won’t kill your if you don’t have a beard, but you better wear your Sunday best and be at mass or ELSE.

[@dwijon]

​@@lucylane7397as an American it hurts me to say this gal gets it.

[@timothywilliams4089]

@@lucylane7397 Not only in the US, there are many muslims in the UK on school boards who bring their perverted sense of morality to the table; forcing schools to change their diets, misogyny, homophobia, and many other repugnant ideas based on their q'uranic framework .

[@TeslaGengar]

they are the entire republican party in america. this is their bread and butter, this is who they aspire to be, to say the quiet parts out loud and be accepted for it. our country is rotting because of republicans like this lady

[@garman763]

The caller demonstrates perfectly the saying... "Ain't no hate like Christian love"

[@jabberwocky3598]

100%

[@bremass851]

Yep

[@Rob-fc9wg]

Too far king right mate!

[@imperialmotoring3789]

The Christ-phobes do have a lot of hate in their hearts.

[@michelmurphy7152]

Well put!

[@Shnitzelpuff]

“Saying they killed thousands of defenseless people is a straw man” 2 minutes later “Yes I think killing thousands of defenseless people is fine”

[@SuperEdge67]

9 million were killed in the Crusades. Given the world’s population at the time it was the equivalent of World War 1.

[@firmak2]

@@SuperEdge67 true but that was in the span of 100+ years while ww1 was 4 years,

[@SuperEdge67]

@@firmak2 oh ok so that makes it alright then does it.

[@firmak2]

@@SuperEdge67 no, just seemed you were underselling ww1

[@skagenpige88]

@@firmak2 You are aware that in ww1 people could move faster and kill faster right? So basicly its the same thing....

[@suspiciousmustache]

Poor woman. As Hitchens said, "Good people will do good things, evil people will do evil things, but only religion can make good people do evil things."

[@carlosabram6030]

She's not a good person ... quite obviously

[@7StarsMA]

The full quote from Steven Weinberg not Hitchens: Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

[@tiagopaes9524]

Good people don’t do evil things- REGARDLESS of what religion tells them to do

[@worldkigong-by-7StarsMA]

@@tiagopaes9524 Then what was the Spanish Inquistion? The Crusades? and many, many more evil deeds done by good people in the name of religion?

[@scruffylookingNerfherder5742]

A perfect example of someone who believes themselves to be morally superior but proving with every single breath that they are utterly morally bankrupt.

[@lawratify]

This woman Diana has absolutely no morals. The most vile immoral act one can commit is to kill another human being. This woman has no conscience, compassion or empathy , the most important and unique attributes that set fully fledged decent human beings apart from the rest of the animals. She is a SUB-HUMMAN or a human CREATURE and not a human-BEING.

[@Alifesalife]

💯

[@yachishairclips2250]

And I hate the fact that we have the same name.. Urgh

[@quintonsm2616]

Totally....what annoys me is the complete ignorance to the hypocrisy of her position.

[@scruffylookingNerfherder5742]

@@quintonsm2616 what's that expression, there are none so blind as those who will not see or something like that

[@sanjeevgig8918]

When MY religion kills others, it is OK. When THEIR religion kills my people, it is PERSECUTION. - Every Xtian / Muslim / Hindu LOL

[@sephidude123]

You should just say "close to every religion" Only two I can think of that dont think this way

[@Johnboy33545]

@@sephidude123: Why? Sanjeev's comment is precise and true as written while you don't bother giving the 2 you can allegedly think of.

[@sephidude123]

@@Johnboy33545 I'm not disagreeing with him. I'm saying expand it to include almost all other faiths. The two I couldn't say at the time (because I was working and didn't have the time to fully write out my reply) are Buddhism because it strictly preaches peace, and Satanism because it's unironically based and nonviolent.

[@TBomb39]

Nowadays, they claim that they're persecuted for nearly any reason under the sun.

[@jwades77]

an Xtian perhaps but No real Christian can kill others, unless in self defense life/death situation. they are meant to pray for their enemies, not hate them.

[@NiklasMX]

This reminds me of: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”

[@CraigGood]

Here's the source quote: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg

[@vinnygi]

“Murdering innocents is just fine” she says with glee in her voice.

[@countroshculla]

So peaceful right?

[@nevyn_karres]

I have to assume she is not Catholic at all and is just trolling.

[@gknight4719]

AS CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS STATED, RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING! and Diana's rant proves it.

[@TheKosmikid]

@@nevyn_karres why?

[@SadPandalorian]

The glee of an absolute psychopath.

[@ianchisholm5756]

I love the way that Forrest ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT let theists slide off onto another topic.

[@chickenfist1554]

Totally agree. Even on KZbin comments the religious want to flick from one subject to another and just fire off questions like you're on a time clock. No matter how many times they try to change the subject, don't let them! Haha

[@SoftBank47]

@@chickenfist1554 And when you do demand they answer the question, they claim they answered it. A strawman in and of itself.

[@chickenfist1554]

@@SoftBank47 Had that exact thing a day or so ago lol

[@johnbross4219]

I get the same thing when I use history and their own bible as reasons that the bible is morally bankrupt

[@Alifesalife]

They do love to slither away

[@DefaOmega]

The worst part, to me, is that she probably left that call thinking that they just wouldn't hear her out. There's almost no chance that the call had any impact on her and that is absolutely terrifying.

[@FECtetra1918]

She certainly felt wronged.

[@jackkraken3888]

Diana learned a new word (strawman) and wants to use it everywhere even if it doesn't fit. 😂

[@johnd.shultz7423]

A neat verbal popgun of defense,i wonder how she would rationalize a family member or friend being molested by a catholic priest? Oh thats Right! she had that covered too....

[@Leith_Crowther]

It’s no one else’s fault if your position is built with all the intellectual sturdiness of a man made of straw.

[@rembrandt972ify]

The logical fallacy is two words, the straw man fallacy.

[@hermixtonen]

Yeah I was wishing they would have asked her “what does “strawman” mean?” , because I could tell she does not know

[@cooloox]

Yes, it was hilarious that she clearly doesn't know what that even means. Noone made any straw man arguments.

[@Moralatheist101]

Diana: "My moral framework comes from god and that means anything done in the name of god to push Christianity further is correct and good." Hosts: "I think that if you believe that killing unarmed and defenseless people for your god is good then you are morally bankrupt." Diana: "Well what framework are you using to come to that moral conclusion? You don't have one so you can't judge me." Please, girl - I have a heart, empathy, and compassion. Some things you obviously are lacking. I don't need your religion since obviously, I'm morally above you and your god.

[@lh1673]

So true, I also wonder why the stories of Lot trying to give his daughters to be raped, a concubine being raped whole night then being cut into 12 parts for the tribes, Job is happy to have new 10 children even though the first ones died by God’s betting game, 42 children killed by bear, Samson’s crazy immoral story and many more are okay to these Bible believers, and even NT god refers OT as loving Father!? knowing these stories! It’s beyond words!

[@AmericaTheSimpleMinded]

When you’re an evil person you don’t care about morals, and only care about justifying your awful behavior.

[@eh9618]

@@AmericaTheSimpleMinded and when you're in a group that's evil. Then you'd find any reason to excuse your group

[@IronFreee]

The crusades were just another war, like the last Iraq war... The Catholic church at this time was a political actor, that's not the case anymore. So that's like saying: "you support evolution, what about those theories of race superiority that came from it? That makes you a racist".

[@georgevasquez2655]

@@eh9618 indeed that is what Dianne is doing 🤮🤮

[@stinkyferret1282]

"Don't take advice from someone you wouldn't take criticism from." That's great advice, Forest.

[@guybrush1701]

That phrase suddenly and horrifically reminds of when in my community college English class we had "peer review" day and give constructive criticism of other people's stuff. Surprise, surprise, what I always got stuck reading was something that my 5th grader could write more cohesively, and they told me that I needed to dumb down MY writing because they couldn't understand it. Sorry I'm writing this for the teacher and not the dumbest kid in class. I refuse to take writing advice from someone who writes in incomplete sentences.

[@chickenfist1554]

Her honesty shocked me more than her morality 😆😆

[@twcnz3570]

In a way, thank god for her honesty.

[@darcyoneill9377]

She's proudly psychopathic dressed up in religion's poison.

[@ege8240]

@@twcnz3570 thank who?

[@Trackformers]

The thing is, the more moral she thought she got, the worse it got. 🤣

[@Trackformers]

@@kentonbaird1723 100%

[@ghostwriter4567]

I think she saw someone in a video win an argument using the Strawman defense and she thought it was a kill shot, so then she tried to use it against two people that know exactly what it means.

[@kevinsturges6957]

LOL!!

[@jo_b7405]

Yes! Exactly!

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yup, for shure.

[@thebxx724]

Lmaooooooo

[@dx1450]

Yes, you can't accuse someone of using a straw man argument when they're repeating your exact argument.

[@Raptor3388]

And if someone asks again "why are you doing this show", this is exactly why. When basic common sense and morality is outshined by some old writings, this is an issue for humanity.

[@mistylover7398]

✝️⚔️⚛️

[@cavecookie1]

I'm a jaded old guy, been to a couple of county fairs, thought I'd pretty much see most of the crazy the world has to offer, and I'm not easy to shock any more. This insane woman just managed to accomplish that. Very, VERY disturbing.

[@artistjoh]

She is the same sort of amoral monster that thought it okay to fly aircraft into the Twin Towers. Except that in her book, if another religion does it it is an attack, but if her religion does it it is a defense.

[@debbiehenri345]

I find it horrifying that she questions atheist's abilities to distinguish right from wrong - when she spends the entire call defending her position of supporting a religion that approved the murder of innocent and vulnerable people, when the 'moral code' she stands behind clearly states: 'Thou shalt not kill.' If that isn't an inability to distinguish right from wrong, I don't know what is.

[@jayv9779]

@@debbiehenri345 The problem is it also says to kill. The bible contradicts itself over and over. It is ridiculous to me any adult could believe it.

[@0cypher0]

@@debbiehenri345 yeah, but the thing about the moral code she stands behind is that it applies veeeery selectively, a short wander through the old testament should be enough to disprove any sort of rigid adherence either by their deity of choice or his "chosen people". And whenever confronted with that or the atrocities done in the name of christianity since it becoming the dominant western European religion (and in reality also the horrendous acts perpetrated in order for it to become that) then all of a sudden, from a christian perspective, atheists have no moral framework to judge those actions.

[@michaelbrown343]

Right? Hahahahaaaaaa!

[@sparki9085]

"we invaded and slaughtered your children to defend ourselves" Yeah, that might be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard

[@thaDjMauz]

Yet still widely used today.

[@___Chris___]

That's Russia right now.

[@janellesart]

@@___Chris___ exactly what I thought.

[@graceskerp]

Anne Frank posed a credible thread to the Third Reich. Of course pyscho, makes perfect sense.

[@markcontini5396]

She's undoubtedly one of those people that everyone thinks is a sweet angel but is a monster underneath. Terrifying.

[@kaweckipiotr]

This is gold. She is insane

[@michelledavies2197]

Totally insane, how sad to be so brainwashed

[@StopWhining491]

And likely dangerous.

[@carstekoch]

No, No. Morally good (christian version)

[@jasonmanasco6291]

Way to go forrest for not letting her just change the subject

[@creativewriter3887]

Yeah.. that bitch needed to have her nose rubbed into her amoral justification of the Church's actions.

[@cepahreinholt8710]

100 against 1 she was about to rant against the trans comunity.

[@ravenvalentine4919]

the Crusades were a response to the Islamic raids that went all the way from arbia to north Africa to Spain and Europians had to start fighting back all the way until the age of Salah al Deen who toke the middile back again

[@TheNinthGeneration1]

@@ravenvalentine4919 and that justified murdering children and other non-combatants? Including beheading POWs?

[@ravenvalentine4919]

@@TheNinthGeneration1 dude i am an ashiest , i dont agree with her madness but she was not historically incorrect

[@jackc3205]

I like how she's ok with the killing part, then says shes 'moral' with a straight face. I honestly thought this was a put up. Then I realised, she's just nuts.

[@carstekoch]

"But it's a strawman! You aren't allowed to repeat what I say!"

[@GSP-76]

She lost the argument before the Crusades but she lost her head when she tried defending Crusaders.

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

Forest: is killing 2000 Muslim prisoners of war by beheading ok Her: yes Absolutely fucking insane holy shit

[@claudiasolomon1123]

When your argument is repeated back to you, & you get upset that's a good indication your argument/point is horrible. Hey Diana, if someone who believes in a different deity tries to behead you in the future, I KNOW you WON'T complain because you told all of us "that's moral" 🙃

[@apocalypsenow317]

You mean like how Matt Pornahutty used to scream out and curse and lose his marbles on the show when his arguments were horrible? BTW... where is old Matt now? The ACA pushed him out the door because of his narcissistic behavior. His whining finally caught up to him and he left because he couldn't get his way anymore over his handlers. Yep, he split or was forced to exit by his own so you can watch him cower on his own show now.

[@heinshaaine8153]

It wouldn't be to her because it is not the right fictional character shes beheaded fir

[@-EC002-]

Live by the sword, die by the sword... It's only fair!

[@rembrandt972ify]

She won't complain because she'll be dead.

[@mattslater2603]

@@-EC002- an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

[@vidfreak56]

Morality framework = sympathy/empathy and reason/rational thinking. Thats all thats needed.

[@mistylover7398]

🔴⚛️⚔️✝️🟣 Megatron is LORD

[@stevewarren4813]

This women believes that killing non-believers is moral and I as an Atheist can't determine good or bad? Really.

[@AxeGaijin]

God: Thou shalt not kill. Also God: Hey yo, go kill those people over there 'cus I said so.

[@Bluesmanstr]

I woud have been discussed even if I were christian

[@johnd.shultz7423]

The Fear of hell and the Greed for heaven can corrode morality easily....

[@cliftongaither6642]

@@johnd.shultz7423 well said. is that yours?

[@Rob-fc9wg]

@@johnd.shultz7423 Thanks mate, I'm gonna use that👍

[@puckerings]

4:21 I love that Forrest tries to steelman what she said, and then his face just drops when she says the Crusades were just fine, revealing that she is exactly as bad as you might think she is.

[@lawratify]

This woman Diana has absolutely no morals. The most vile immoral act one can commit is to kill another human being. This woman has no conscience, compassion or empathy , the most important and unique attributes that set fully fledged decent human beings apart from the rest of the animals. She is a SUB-HUMMAN or a human CREATURE and not a human-BEING.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

"Is murder bad? Yes. Is genocide bad? Yes. Is infanticide bad? Yes. Is adultery bad? Yes. Well, Yahweh committed all of those bad things. It means he's evil. No! No? No. Yahweh gave us the laws, but they do not apply to him." If there are exceptions to laws, then those laws are not absolute and objective.

[@mistylover7398]

It's like she's da ( might makes right ) type of believers where no matter what EVIL almighty gawd idiot does he demands to do whatever he wants just guz he's gonna murder you to stop him.

[@thebxx724]

Quite ironic that Christians portray atheist as immoral yet they use their religion to justify immoral acts. The atheists seemed more moral in this call here.

[@Johnmhatheist]

Christians don't do bad things or supposedly don't do bad things because they're afraid of hell. I, as an atheist, don't do horrible and wicked things because I don't want to. I desire to be good and be treated well. I don't have a God to tell me that.

[@Temulon]

"Quite ironic that Christians portray atheist as immoral yet they use their religion to justify immoral acts" Don't forget people who follow Islam.

[@mistylover7398]

​@@Johnmhatheist same. Gawd seems evil. 🟣✝️⚔️⚛️🔴 and megatron is LORD

[@MrPilton]

And there you have it folks a textbook example of "Christian Love and morality"

[@revwillyg6450]

God loves you. So love him back, or he'll burn you in a fire. Forever. Makes sense, right?

[@MrPilton]

@@revwillyg6450 Makes perfect (one might even say divine) sense.

[@taylormade9971]

Lets just say shes literally living up to her biblical morals

[@AussieNaturalist]

" I dont like logical contradictions" And then she tries to defend a HUGE logical contradiction with multiple fallacies... O.o

[@yuuseir3391]

When religious people say that, you just know that they have lost all logic. It means they are super super super skeptic about any science, to the extent they may think the earth is flat. But, ANYTHING in their religion is accepted as good, not the least criticism or anything.

[@Sochi314]

I had to rewind that part to make sure I heard correctly. 😂 Poor little tink tink.

[@amy_pieterse]

This quote is comes to mind "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." Steven Weinberg

[@smacksumbody]

Thanx. I thought I heard Hitchens say that. Oh well, it’s the quote that’s golden

[@carstekoch]

​@@smacksumbody I never heard anyone say that, but I believe it was Darth Vader.

[@Sydney_With_A_Why]

Wow, what an inhumane univestigated position. I'm an ex catholic and I'm embarrassed that I probably used to sound this ridiculous too.

[@rockpadstudios]

I'm an exJW and I cringe at this now also - I must have sounded like a fool

[@usèr1234-x1o]

Kudos to you though guy , most people would be loathe to admit that . 👏

[@gerboiremoncopaing933]

@@rockpadstudios Ironically, both are the exact religious fanatics of the same coin; however, it is too bad these guys at Atheist Experience don't seem, or don't care, that they are actually moving towards that far-left fanatism, notably shown by the need they seem to have to precise people's pronouns before each call.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@gerboiremoncopaing933 They're just being inclusive and are being respectful of a minority that is literally shunned by christians. Just relax dude.

[@rockpadstudios]

@@gerboiremoncopaing933 When you first leave religion people tend to over compensate and they end up being part of groups not associated with the far right. I wasn't a politics person and tend to stay in the center but could not stand the republicans at first and listened to Bill Maher etc. Now even Bill Maher is rolling his eyes at the far left. I don't get the extreme right or left myself, both are just nutty. But you are right they tend towards the far left but remember they have to try and please as many people as they can to make money and republicans don't pay their bills.

[@arthurhunt642]

Is Dave ever on the show anymore? My heart goes out to him and I hope his disease hasn't stopped him altogether.

[@erinclark5681]

I can't remember when exactly, but it was announced on their channel that he was stepping away from doing shows. His illness has made things more difficult, and he wanted to spend as much time as he has left with his loved ones.

[@ToHoldNothing]

"Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can also make you commit atrocities," Voltaire

[@matteeks8207]

This lady is disconnected from reality, current and historically.

[@ishmaelkelly951]

You have to disconnect from reality when you believe in fairy tales because, when you bring them back to reality, it's like taking drugs from a drug addict🥵. These people don't know how to function without their dope call religion😅😂

[@Reno_Slim]

Being disconnected from reality helps the faith go down.

[@Johnboy33545]

No, she's just a Catholic.

[@ingridschmid1709]

@@Johnboy33545 And we get to hear plenty of protestants just as disconnected from reality if not more. What is extraordinary is that those two main sectarian currents of Christianity both are driven by their fanatics to further a common goal of theocratic power but are also quite ready to wage religious war against one another as soon as all other "enemies" of their faith are conquered.

[@Johnboy33545]

@@ingridschmid1709: I would never say protestants were any better, they are after all fellow Christians.

[@TheCountBlackula1978]

As soon as that back touched that corner she was in she ran.😂😂😂😂

[@88mphDrBrown]

Wow, Diana just spews ignorance. When asked what objective morality she can point to she brings up the catholic church, but when questioned about the disgusting abuse within the catholic church she immediately appeals to subjective interpretation.

[@Mewse1203]

She also says "Popes can speak infallibly" and then blames Pope Francis for the problem. A) Pope Francis is brand new and is the pope who came in after the issue was discovered. B)Pope BENEDICT was implicated in one of the many cover ups and it's rumored that's why he stepped down. C)those abuses were going on before either man was Pope. We don't even know when the problem began ffs. We do know it probably went on for almost the last hundred years. Hell it could have been happening since priests were forced forced to be celibate in the 1100s for alm we know.

[@areid5907]

And to top it the caller thinks she is way better informed than the rest of us ignorant heathens! 🙄

[@areid5907]

@@Mewse1203 LOL omg yes I missed that one, popes are infallible "except pope Fransis" jeez. She's a fringe catholic known as a Trad(traditionalist) unfortunately at some point I wound up with that crowd.(it tend to be the smarter catholics who are Trads) because logically if Catholisism is true, then it really should be that way. The problem is the premise "Catholosism is true" is bullshit & when a person realizes that non of it, traditionalist or modern catholic makes any sense when looked at from the outside. The hard part is looking at it purely objectively from the outside. Then there's the cognitive dissonance, then finally the breakaway. It was hard for me because I lost dear friends.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

@@Mewse1203 Actually, the current pope francis is neck deep in his own pedophile coverup scandal, he went to great legalistic lengths to protect a serial pedophile offender named father grassi who sexually abused young parishioners in the Argentinian diocese that then archbishop Mario Bergoglio/the current pope francis was in charge of, these victims repeatedly asked for an audience with archbishop bergoglio/pope francis, he refused, and then spent extraordinary effort and time to legally protect this priest(father grassi) from legal punishment.This priests crimes were so grievious that he was convicted and jailed/ pope francis then lied about the presence of any pedophile offenders in his diocese in written word and verbally, saying "that there had been no pedophile clergy present in his diocese while he was archbishop" (a bald faced lie) Why did archbishop bergoglio lie? to protect his chance of canonization to popehood- plain and simple.All of this criminality has been exposed by journalists and public media-Its a fact! yet the pope remains in power and wont spend a minute in prison (where he belongs) for aiding and abetting a known pedophile.The catholic church is rotten to its core, using parishioners money to buy its "goodness" for centuries while its monastically twisted clergy have engaged in pedophilia for just as long.For this latest crime mario bergoglio A.K.A. pope francis earns the title: The Poppin' Fresh Pontiff Of Pedophile Protectors...

[@Mewse1203]

@@johnd.shultz7423 lol, I dont doubt it. Gregory the last had the same shit going on.

[@internettevarolanadam]

"Innocents were killed by the name of god but what about the way people are dressing today? Total moral bankruptcy."

[@domiro8156]

This woman is the ultimate caricature of a theist!!!!!!

[@artistjoh]

This woman is clearly okay with the account of the priest who chronicled Crusade atrocities in which he wrote that he wept with joy when walking ankle deep in the blood of women and children because he believed that running the sword through children was saving them from a life living as heathens.

[@rdhallmansr]

I doubt this: not that I or this could justify such atrocities. The crusades were the result of muslumsarmies invading Christians countries in the Middle East and across Spain. Thery were stopped at the French border.

[@msfluorescent]

Wow, such good, much moral.

[@yachishairclips2250]

Please!! I beg of you... Where to read such book?? Want to confirm it... I knew how corrupt Catholic Church is because of the historical fiction of Dr. Jose Rizal.. It is fictional but it gave glimpse of how atrocious the Viceroys (Mexican and Spanish) and the Catholic Church is to their colony.. Like his book is the reflection of its time..

[@theunholinesswithin3601]

"I can't argue, so you're STRAWMANNING ME!"

[@jameslaupan6499]

This lady is exactly what led me to leave Christianity. The hypocrisy is so thick you could spread it with a putty knife. Her rationale is insane! That's what drove me away. Shes absolutely nuts and horribly brainwashed. If she has children the kids are in danger, and should be checked on by the authorities. I'm delighted they held her to her claims, she should be investigated. GROSS in every way.

[@Temulon]

Her rationale is acceptable if you were living in 11th century Europe. Catholics, and at the time all Christians were Catholic, believed the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ on earth, his representative. If the Pope said we need to march to Jerusalem and put those heathen Muslims to the sword, that's what you did. Catholics still believe the Pope is the vicar of Christ I believe.

[@dontworrybehappy150]

James, I hear you. I've had the same experience with a few people who follow morals and values of the bible. My eyes were opened wide, realizing how damaging religion is. For example, one homophobic friend said that LGBT people are a 'mistake'. Needless to say, we've grown apart. I won't tolerate the judgmental and bigoted behavior.

[@mistylover7398]

​@@dontworrybehappy150 🔴⚛️⚔️✝️🟣 Megatron is LORD

[@DarkMatterVisible]

Diana: "I have a superior moral framework!" Also Diana: "Morally repulsive things are fine!" Theists seem unable to grasp how people asserting that something is good or bad without any supporting argument or evidence whatsoever is the very definition of subjectivity.

[@reggiedixon2]

When people say that it is not fair to consider religion as mental illness, they need to listen to callers like this

[@msfluorescent]

The most factual comment on the internet if I've ever seen one.

[@Valkyrie77]

Illness is something medical. This is the results of years of brainwach...

[@reggiedixon2]

@@Valkyrie77 "A mental disorder is characterized by a clinically significant disturbance in an individual’s cognition, emotional regulation, or behaviour." I think this caller meets this definition.

[@Valkyrie77]

@@reggiedixon2 ...then I want to ask you, did she get a mental illness due to that she is a Christian?, or does she have a mental illness because she is a Christian? or is it because she is a Christian that she has a mental illness?

[@reggiedixon2]

@@Valkyrie77 Not possible to say but at some point delusional thoughts and reasoning have become normal for her in relation to talking about religion.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

Dave & Forrest make a great team.

[@LaRossaSelvaggia]

What a horrible person she is. If that’s Christianity, count me out.

[@strawberryfields9762]

Agreed.

[@cliftongaither6642]

it is and ive been out for 35 years.

[@Andrew_Reno]

Christianity shouldnt be like that There are wolves in sheeps clothing

[@youneedhelp6902]

See you in hell,bring some cold beer

[@OswaldBatesIIIEsq]

I've been out for quite a while.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

For once, I don't think this women was a troll. I think she was for real. We might have finally done it. We've found the most immoral person that has ever phoned into the show.

[@deanlowdon8381]

Not sure about that, there’s been some strong contenders over the years!

[@mackhomie6]

I don't believe this was real. I'm surprised this many people do. Her tone was all wrong

[@deanlowdon8381]

@@mackhomie6 She just sounded to me like someone that suddenly realised she couldn’t actually defend her beliefs…

[@QuintarFarenor]

@@mackhomie6 she seemed like she wanted to press both for a commitment to an answer regarding morality (that it's all subjective, humanist values, etc.), I mean the moderators didn't trip in that trap but caught her in it was poetic justice. I did wish they wouldn't talk over each other (all 3) so we and they could hear the full argument. It was a bit heated.

[@ministryofarguments3525]

She said that it was moral to kill unarmed people that were prisoners of war. The Malmedy massacre was a German war crime committed by soldiers of the Waffen-SS on 17 December 1944, at the Baugnez crossroads near the city of Malmedy, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge (16 December 1944 - 25 January 1945). She so reminds me of a Nazi.

[@Mulukkis]

Another PERFECT example what religion can do to people and their moral compass.

[@mistylover7398]

✝️🧟🧟🧟🧟🧟🧟

[@AnvilofCrom666]

I don’t think I’ve ever “GASPED” so hard in my life than when she said beheading POWs was moral. What. The. EFF. I’m beside myself with disbelief, holy crap.

[@snooganslestat2030]

Why? Why is everyone so shocked?

[@dragowolfraven3806]

My question is this: Why does God get a free pass on murder/genocide?

[@destronia123]

Gawd is almighty so it answers to no one and there's not a dang thing you can do about it. ;^)

[@destronia123]

@@GodlessFiend Did you not notice my wink of sarcasm? ;^)

[@denverarnold6210]

@@destronia123 save a handful of times, he usually does it through other men, and even then, we're talking about condemning an action, regardless of our ability to stop it.

[@jquest99]

@@destronia123 but you did provide the correct theist answer. They'd even say that since God created us, he can do whatever he wants with us.

[@theargonianmercenary184]

Every argument made for this almost always boils down to “might makes right”.

[@dogearflopper7011]

I wasn't expecting the caller to be an absolute psychopath.

[@paulanderson5389]

I had a guy tell me after he found out I was an atheist that I could not determine what good and evil is because I am an atheist. Weird.

[@faithbad666]

Evil Isn't External Nor Is Good 🙂

[@lh1673]

My super indoctrinated Bible believer family will also say the killing, tricking of innocents and all those immoral things what God allowed and the people who followed His commands are okay, nothing wrong. It’s beyond words!

[@jim.h]

I have the same family, but don't recognize your initials. 🤣🤣

[@lh1673]

@@jim.h Since my freedom from indoctrination, I enjoy watching and laughing my indoctrinated family being serious watching the charlatans Bible tv programs. I wish someday they will be free too.

[@chiricahuaapache5132]

LH, have ypu ever pondered the possibility that these sheep .... are not Elected to live in a Heavenly mansion .... but that Christianity may be a psy op created by inter dimensional beings ... and when they come back for The Harvest, they're gonna ritually sacrifice and eat the "Sheep."

[@mistylover7398]

Evil God death cult of faith.

[@garystokes9979]

I think Dianas head can rotate a full 360 degrees.

[@conradlorgar5508]

She lives in her own little reality where she can rewrite history to her content Now the crusades were a defence and not an unprovoked offense

[@Lobster_Lars]

The crusades while unjustified by modern standards, were extremely provoked. The muslims in the levant were also invaders, also spreading their word by the sword. Im tired of people using history as a club in debates. Leave the historical analysis to the experts. Contemporary issues are enough to address any questions people might have on secular morality, or the evils of religious oppresion.

[@areid5907]

Look at it like this; The ruling party said the crusades were ok, so what do more do we need than that! Remember if you were catholic back then and you didn't think the crusades were a good idea, you'd probably see the pointy end of a spear.(or be cast out by the ruling party) The catholic version is that it was a defensive move, as Winston Churchill said "the best defnce is a good offence" That hardly excuses the atrocities, but when humans get drunk with power, shit happens.

[@oddctioum]

to be fair: Islamists conquered a big part of "christian" Territory (even the 2 biggest Holy sites of orthodox christianity) and declared and followed through with hundreds of jihads before any Crusade ever happened. but i have to add that doesn't make any of the atrocities the Crusade made along the Way Moral. again: not a defence for any of it, i find the concept of a "Holy War" extremely immoral by itself and there is tons of stuff about the crusades you can criticise, them being "unprovoked" is not one of them.

[@Trevor_Austin]

They were merely a Special Religious Operation.

[@henghistbluetooth7882]

The crusades were bad - but they weren’t unprovoked. Muslim armies had by 1050 streamed across North Africa, taken over 90% of Spain and had tried to take over France until defeated at the battle of Poitiers by Charles Martel. Imagine us today seeing an army taking over half a continent, persecuting your people and enslaving them but waiting the better part of 300 years to mount a resistance.

[@hamster4618]

“Because I dislike contradictions I’m ok with murder”. 😂

[@liberalinoklahoma1888]

"We have no need for that now", But if the "need" arises.........

[@alevaldezcabrera1106]

Diana needs to review some history books!

[@hopsta5628]

She kept repeating, I think, when it's blatantly obvious she doesn't think, she just does what she's told by her religion.

[@MartinWillett]

If you read the Bible you'd know better. That's the same argument. I have come across many situations in which people who have barely cracked the spine of a book suggest that if other people read more they would think differently. There is not just one way of interpreting history or the Bible. "Read more then you'd agree with me" is among the lamest of "arguments".

[@MartinWillett]

The first Crusade was justified and defensive in its aims. It turned into a bloodbath because of military considerations. Starving armies can't just turn around and go home across the land they have looted.

[@ministryofarguments3525]

Indeed she needs to visit the graves of her American soldiers that died at the hands of the Waffen-SS during the Battle of the Bulge. What a despicable human being she is as a Nazi sympathizer.

[@jayv9779]

@@MartinWillett I love when I get this one. I have read it multiple times and studied it in college book by book. I'm always ready to play who knows the bible better with Christians.

[@jeneeba1313]

Ya know, this call was hard to listen to live, and it was even harder to listen to twice. Forrest and Dave kept their cool a lot better than I would have. Well done, guys.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

I would cornered her Hard Core about the pedophile priest issue which she immedietely brushed off in a few words, (and was allowed to do so) no! i think the hosts let this miscreant off easily to appear "reasonable" Dillahunty would have blown her out of the water! nice Fumble hosts!

[@JohnSmith-vm8rx]

Honestly love the responses of the hosts to Diana statements. I was literally doing the same responses you were all doing.

[@Zachorazor1]

She said, "I have no problem with the crusades." Then, when challenged as this being immoral, she actually said, "Don't put words in my mouth."

[@pdav1285]

"I'm right and if you don't agree with me then you can't say what is good or bad because you don't follow my thoughts on morality." What an amazing way to dismiss someone else's opinion without even considering their opinion.

[@jimjohnson3349]

Diana has a very strong thought stopping mechanism. The thought is uncomfortable so I need to move on to a different thought and pretend the first one didn't happen.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

That's every christian!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I am an atheist who knows the difference between right and wrong. I do my best to do the right thing by myself and the world that surrounds me.

[@areid5907]

You can't possibly know the difference between write and rong without the knowledge of the flying spaghetti monster.

[@Snowchapel]

She had to be a prank caller… sounded like she was trying not to laugh…

[@richardgregory3684]

Christians define "moral" as "whatever the guy with the biggest stick says"

[@mikewiz1054]

This woman is EXACTLY what Christopher Hitchens was talking about when he gave this quote: “Here is my challenge. Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever. And here is my second challenge. Can any reader think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith? The second question is easy to answer, is it not? The first - I have been asking it for some time - awaits a convincing reply. By what right, then, do the faithful assume this irritating mantle of righteousness? They have as much to apologize for as to explain.”

[@Jason_Horner]

And how are people like this caller is allowed to walk freely among the public? Apologizing for mass murder.

[@theunholinesswithin3601]

That's just how America is.

[@DJ-73]

@@theunholinesswithin3601 not just the Americas

[@kellydalstok8900]

She should be on the watch list of the secret service as a potential terrorist.

[@filthyclown8033]

@@DJ-73 but mostly

[@Steveman27]

@@filthyclown8033 Why don't you just say that there are some fucked up people in the world rather than generalize an entire nation? There are a lot of people in America who are like the hosts and co-hosts on The Atheist Experience, and there are also plenty of agnostics in America who are also like that.

[@subductionzone]

I am going to miss Matt terribly, as will the ACA themselves. The leadership appears to have followed the wrong path. I still have hope and I find the exuberance of Forrest to be a very welcome addition to the line up.

[@jshaers96]

He hasn't gone anywhere, he's still doing the same thing, he's just doing it somewhere else.

[@jackkraken3888]

Matt had his issues and I think bring new blood is better. Sorry but I feel Matt was way too abrasive and I felt we lost a lot of callers in the process. let me be clear here, I'm not saying the caller was going to become an atheist or something, but at the very least I want the caller to under the atheist perspective. I think many calls got pissed with Matt rightly or not and left a bad taste in their mouth.

[@jackkraken3888]

I should mention Matt's own KZbin channel is pretty fun so check that out. I really liked it, when he's cool.

[@reggiedixon2]

@@jackkraken3888 In fairness it would only take me a month of speaking to people like this caller for me to be replying to everything they said with an instruction about sex and travel.

[@jackkraken3888]

@@reggiedixon2 I completely agree, Matt has been doing this for years! But here's the thing are we actually getting through to the people calling in? There was a lady who got angry that Matt swearer and Matt didn't care and she cut the call. For me that's a failure. I don't think we need to swear to get our point across and this might be the last time she ever talks to atheist. Do you think that's ok?

[@nickmcalinden5661]

Her absolute belief in this being ok is astounding.

[@RichardThomas-vu1bf]

"I'm struggling to explain something. Can you hear me??"

[@human_hope]

I'm a big fan of Forrest after this video

[@Godlimate]

Forrest looks to have a bright future ahead of him.

[@macescoolchannel]

Forrest is honestly one of the best additions to The AXP

[@lmechb3305]

Needs to find a better balance with his co host for me. Many opportunities to let Dave take a run at Diana and he crashed over him.

[@benblock9655]

There's another video where he goes off on a dude that said it's okay to beat kids and own slaves. Called him a fascist and everything. That's when I knew I loved Forrest

[@ThanatoselNyx]

@@lmechb3305 I have only watched a few videos with Dave and Forrest, and Dave just isn't great host, but yeah Forrest should allow him to state his piece.

[@barryl.spencer1564]

I was raised in the catholic church. As a survivor I can say that this woman goes through life with her eyes closed and her mind nearly so.

[@latteknowsbest6365]

Good for her. Some of us (aka the people negatively affected by the Catholic church’s actions over the course of centuries) do not have such a privilege

[@FactStorm]

@@targaryen7049 Like the vast majority of people of faith

[@ronrolfsen3977]

@@FactStorm I am pretty sure we are all brainwashed in some ways. People in faith in general just a lot more. I think most cults in general go above and beyond even that.

[@michaeldynesdynesis3534]

The greatest sins of the Catholic are wilful ignorance and wilful denial. She personifies them wonderfully.

[@robertmitchell8438]

Forrest needs to resist the temptation to interrupt the caller. Especially when the caller is in the process of verbally burying themselves. A mute button each would also prevent you guys from speaking over each other at inopportune moments. Great show guys.

[@pavel9652]

The worst is when they speak over themselves! It happens very often for these two hosts, unfortunately.

[@BankJunction]

This is a very good point, Robert, which is missed by most people. The presenters shouting over each other adds nothing to the debate. The irony is that the more silly and unstable the caller the more the presenters shout. Noneed for this because callers like this make their own downfall. Good points, made by the presenters, do not get better by shouted repetition.

[@zendavesta1027]

@@pavel9652 yess, I miss Matt, he didn’t need any co-host to expose sneaky and dishonest callers. These two have good points but they stray from the important route by presenting different ways of approaching the same goal thus allowing the caller to switch the topic

[@ASH-su6nb]

@@zendavesta1027 Matt spoke the most over callers

[@IamnotJohnFord]

And, today people are still killing others over different beliefs. It boggles my mind.

[@wickedcabinboy]

I have to say that I'm enjoying watching Dave and Forrest as a team in these videos.

[@YellowFreesias]

Medieval History graduate here - having read contemporary accounts.of the crusades they were a disgusting bloodbath and many, many of the people who went over came back disillusioned with the church. The only bit I can mention here is there was so much blood in the streets people talked about how they were slipping over in it and had trouble walking anywhere after the unmentionable acts against women and children and slaughter.

[@wilsonlove7647]

"I feel sorry for anyone in her world." Well said.

[@nocturne7371]

I thought that even the Catholic Chuch acknowledged that the Crusades were wrong, since Pope John Paul II apologized for it in, I think, 2000?

[@HidingFromFate]

Yes, that sounds about right. I haven't been involved with the Catholic Church in a few decades, so perhaps there's been some splintering or factioning regarding such questions. I know there is a conservative wing of believers who don't care for a lot of the liberalizing aspects of the modern Church and the current pope. So if their types of views exist more broadly within the modern church, I suspect it would come from this faction.

[@miskatonic_alumni]

@@HidingFromFate Trad caths.

[@issecret1]

In her worldview, that's John Paul's mistake, I bet

[@antoniofernandez7641]

I cannot even fucking fathom this thinking. As I was listening I actually felt like I was gonna be sick. As an atheist myself, to hear someone saying (whether or not they have the power to do so) that killing you should be considered not only justified, but a good thing, is the absolute worst kind of evil. I'm actually tearing up right now.

[@Gwaithmir]

“Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” (H.L. Mencken)

[@drg8687]

You can't have a moral framework without asserting an invisible sky daddy first. LOL

[@yuuseir3391]

It's even worse: "my" invisible sky daddy

[@casper130rocks]

Anyone who publicly announces that they would kill for god should be put on a federal watch list

[@zarxog]

I often find myself saying "ask him/her:...". When these two pearls run the show I don't have to wait long. They ask exactly that. You have to listen to where the callers come from, which some hosts don't have the discipline to do, but you two are great!

[@deanlowdon8381]

Diana: The crusades were OK, but how dare you try to say I’m OK with killing people for not being Christian! 😳

[@moldevort5754]

According to her killing innocent people is fine but showing a bit of shoulder is sinful, and then clams we have no moral standing. Absolutely crazy

[@rockpadstudios]

I talked to a Catholic several weeks ago and I said so God favors geography - and to my surprise he said yes. When I asked what is going to happen to Hindu's and Muslims and to my surprise he said - the lake of fire. He didn't dance around the questions which was amazing. He started out that you must worship the "triune god". I asked can a god die? He did dance around that one. Jesus is god's son and died for our sins and god raised him from the dead but Jesus is god - crazy stuff.

[@rockpadstudios]

@@toughenupfluffy7294 The "Holy Trinity" is utter nonsense, only those brainwashed from birth believe it. God is all powerful, i.e. created the universe. Which means he existed outside of the universe and has infinite energy and therefore infinite mass. He used a small part of his energy to create this massive universe. He then created humans using his holy spirit which is just his active force not a thinking entity, just something a spirit would need to do things in a physical world. The bible clearly states Jesus is God's son not god himself, I know we can argue a few well placed words in specific scriptures but overall for a blood sacrifice to be meaningful that person would have to die. A god cannot die much less raise himself from the dead. The Christians and the Muslims tried to unite many times over the centuries but the sticking point has always been the trinity, the Muslims have it right (logically) there is only one almighty God. The multi-headed gods come out of Babylonian, Greek myths. I was forced to preach when I was young and I have to say of all the religions the Catholics are more like the JW cult - mindless drones. We live on forever but not one person that died has ever contacted us - why is that? It's because they are dead. As a previous brainwashed Christian it is a difficult truth to accept (it hurts in fact) but there is no afterlife, there is just nothingness. Acts 24 says there will be a resurrection from this nothingness so in the future there are only 2 options, when we die we are dead forever, or there will be a resurrection and we will all get a second chance. In either case there is nothing we can do to prove our beliefs system is right or wrong. God would not put billions of people in a "lake of fire" just because they were brainwashed with a different version of holy nonsense. All the things those in power preach against they have been proven to have done with very few exceptions. Voltaire said "More people are fooled by hope than by deceit".

[@Mouse_007]

How sad is it to be this caller: In a time when the church cannot dictate what you believe anymore, or threaten you with torture or death if you dare to think for yourself, you choose to be their slave anyway.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

“I don’t like logical contradictions,” then proceeds to say the crusades and beheadings were moral 🤔🤔😬😬🫣

[@no-mind723]

Must be nice to be totally brainwashed relieved from all human responsibility. Way to go Diana!

[@banonKING]

"I don't like logical contradictions" so, because it's not a logical contradiction to be a murdering psycho and kill people, thus killing people is okkay. Yikes... I don't believe this caller was genuine, they must have been a very unfunny prank.

[@theargonianmercenary184]

I sure hope it was. This person is likely old enough to vote 😬

[@jquest99]

Yeah, apparently it was a logical contradiction to NOT slaughter innocent people.😬

[@msfluorescent]

Unfortunately, I think this person IS genuine. Genuinely confused and indoctrinated.

[@sarahchristine2345]

@10:10 “this is the type of circling that I dread” What?!! She said something stupid & then accused them of “straw man” arguments and circular reasoning because she realized she messed up and couldn’t get out of it 😂😂😂😂

[@solly119119]

Diana has the right to vote. If you don't want people like Diana to elect our politicians, then you must vote. And vote blue.

[@joshsheridan8239]

Yeah but your vote might not count. That's decided by a bunch of nameless politicians

[@QuintarFarenor]

@Richdragon probably because it was opposite back in the day, they switched quite a few years ago. It's really interesting to see.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@Richdragon Because the settlers and later politicians wanted to do everything opposite to the British and Europeans I'm guessing.

[@dandromeda1]

Vote blue no matter who is an incredibly ignorant mindset and only leads to more corruption and absolutely zero real change. The dems are no different than the reps, they are both owned by the same corporations. Stop allowing them to manipulate you or you're just as indoctrinated and foolish as the ppl who call this show.

[@dhwyll]

But to the original question: My moral framework comes from observation, testing, and analysis. I choose a set of goals, and that is admittedly a subjective task, such as well being, minimizing harm, and such. I then analyze actions based upon their ability to further those goals. I test certain things to see what the results are and observe the results. And I recognize the fact that there is no way to satisfy all goals simultaneously. Any moral system complex enough to model human behaviour will have dilemmas that cannot be reconciled by that system. A Moral Incompleteness Theorem, if you will. A scenario can always be created that puts goals into conflict. And that's why I am able to determine that killing someone in general is bad and killing them for the "sin" of not being Christian is decidedly bad.

[@dhwyll]

@@toughenupfluffy7294 The fact that there are other people to teach me things doesn't mean I can't observe the results of those lessons and question the rationale used. For example, the morality for much of the nation is to find being gay repugnant and yet, we can see the harm that "morality" causes not only to gay people but also to the rest of society. Thus, that tenet is rejected. I don't have to commit murder in order to understand that I shouldn't do it. Not because of some supernatural "written on my heart" nonsense but by simply asking the question, would I want this done to me? If not, why not? What would happen to the rest of society if this happened? What consequences beyond the immediate are likely to happen? So to the question of post mortem cannibalism, to borrow a phrase, does it break my leg or pick my pocket? No? Then exactly what is the moral consequence? So yes, we do reinvent the wheel. It's the only way to improve. That hardly means we always get it right. It's been more than 150 years since we've ended slavery, but racism is still a thing and to be absolutely honest, all we did was end public slavery. The 13th Amendment still allows it as punishment for criminal activity. And even when we think we have it right, we still need to reexamine what we think we know when new information comes to light. We need to rethink our understanding when we teach it to others. The question of "Are you sure?" is always appropriate.

[@dhwyll]

@Todor No, there isn't. But you may find yourself ostracized and isolated if you don't. Humans are a social species and while there are individuals who truly want to be left alone, they are rare. For the rest of us, we need to figure out how to live with each other and one of the things we can observe and analyze is that being nice to each other, caring about each other, leads to better outcomes for everybody. Caring for other people isn't the premise. It's the conclusion.

[@SilverSlugs16]

“How is it a moral negative? You tell me!” When defending the crusades is NUTS

[@jquest99]

I wish Diana would get on the comments.

[@TBomb39]

That would be memorable. Nepy would fall in love, and SOT would suffer from the dilemma of agreeing with a woman. The thread would skyrocket.