I DELETED My Specialized Future Shock!

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The Bike Sauce

The Bike Sauce

Күн бұрын

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@MS-bw7yt
@MS-bw7yt 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from a German engineering colleague. This piece is probably better engineered than most of the stuff sold by OEM's! Keep up the good work 👍🏼
@durianriders
@durianriders 2 жыл бұрын
They call it 'future shock' because you are in for a SHOCK in the future at the price or lack of parts down the line.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
🤘durian! Yea I’m torn on this system as well. Did you see the rear future shock?
@gregkowalsky8890
@gregkowalsky8890 2 жыл бұрын
Quoting Specialized: Future Shock Maintenance The Future Shock is designed to offer consistent performance for the life of the product. With a fully sealed design, the Future Shock assembly does not need service beyond wiping dirt and dust from the exterior. Should the rubber boot become fatigued from use, replacements are available, S209900002." - So why replace future shock with simple aluminium rod ?
@harrylen1688
@harrylen1688 5 ай бұрын
👍😎
@DaigoroToyama
@DaigoroToyama 2 жыл бұрын
Furue Shock 1.5 works pretty well.for me, but I'd love to buy the FS Delete as a backup once it becomes available.
@chriswilliams2089
@chriswilliams2089 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get one of those as a backup! Are they making a bunch and selling them? I would take one. However, there is no Specialized recommendation for replacing them every 500 hours. I have asked multiple specialized dealers and they never head of that requirement.
@cryingrocknathanaeledwards1828
@cryingrocknathanaeledwards1828 2 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful! Thank you for giving people a way out of a proprietary pidgin hole! I feel like saving the future shock for chunky stuff/ racing, and using a ridged insert for day to day miles would be a great system!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good idea. Pretty easy to swap out
@jeffreytoepfer9356
@jeffreytoepfer9356 2 жыл бұрын
The FS Delete you are experimenting with is something I have been hoping for. I have a 1.5 FS on my 2018 S-Works Diverge that is shot, and there are no replacements in the supply chain... as well as no 2.0's. They are on back-order. So I would definitely be interested in purchasing An FS Delete when they become available. Thanks!
@SilverShamrock71
@SilverShamrock71 9 ай бұрын
What was the long term review on the delete? Also, how are you getting on with the Diverge? I'm just getting back into cycling after a number of years hiatus, I've got myself a Sirrus 2.0, most likely will be upgrading to a Sirrus X 4.0 or possibly an entry level Diverge, just need to figure out what type of riding I'm going to be doing, new area too, I'm SE London UK / Kent, there are quite a few cross country loops around here, but also I will be doing a fair bit of city riding. I have a few months until my cycle2work scheme kicks in. Was really into the idea of FS 1.5, but what are the benefits vs financial cost and weight trade off? Also, at 5' 9" with a positive ape index I went large size frame on the Sirrus, wondering if I could be better off on a medium
@kdstoffel7574
@kdstoffel7574 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the FS on my Creo. I tell people it’s like the equivalent of adding 10mm of width to the tires. 28’s now ride like 38’s. I knew it was proprietary when I bought it and although I wasn’t aware of the 500hr replacement recommendation, if I have any issues I’ll gladly replace it with a new unit.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. I’d say most people appreciate the benefits of having it. It’s just expensive to replace
@levhrvth
@levhrvth Жыл бұрын
As a fellow engineer (FEA simulation) and Roubaix owner I am really happy to see that somebody put in the effort to do a fatigue simulation on the part, the level of development is amazing. I too would be interested in the FS delete once it will be available. Keep up the good work!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Lookin like less than a week or two from now!
@Mr909808707
@Mr909808707 Жыл бұрын
Do you will make an video announcment?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
@@Mr909808707 I believe the ‘product drop’ video will come out on 3/19.
@christophbehle4617
@christophbehle4617 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce would buy one!
@212035720
@212035720 2 жыл бұрын
Put me down for one. I love my Roubaix Pro, but I would definitely like to reduce the weight. I only ride on the road and have my Future Shock tightened all the way. I loved your weight demonstration and could not believe the difference. Great job on coming up with a better mouse trap. I am sold on this delete!
@marcinz90
@marcinz90 2 жыл бұрын
I guess it would also be nice way of getting handlebar lower, putting stem right down to the collar (and cutting remaining "chimney" at top)?
@kulit5610
@kulit5610 2 жыл бұрын
Just saw your video and looking forward to more informative reviews and definitely interested once you decide to put it in production. Keep us posted
@PathLessPedaledTV
@PathLessPedaledTV 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome. Now you can put a Redshift on it :)
@Mosely2007
@Mosely2007 2 жыл бұрын
Red shift stem and bar user on 3 gravel bikes. Great additions to my pre shock Diverge
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Haha already on order for an apples to apples comparison
@PathLessPedaledTV
@PathLessPedaledTV 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce great idea!
@dtolios
@dtolios 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Redshift and I think it works wonders for how short the "travel" is.
@DilbertMuc
@DilbertMuc 2 жыл бұрын
The quote of the day! 😅
@hopsing1387
@hopsing1387 2 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a used Diverge Expert and subscribed to your channel to learn all about it. Great videos and super informative. I was very disappointed to learn of the 500 hr replacement schedule. I would definitely be interested in your FS Delete. I keep my bikes for a long time and have been bitten by being on the bleeding edge of technology. THANKS!!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
I should clarify that there is some debate as to the 500 hour thing. Someone found an official document saying it should be good for the life of the bike, while some authorized specialized dealers still insist that it’s every 500 hours. I can’t say for sure.
@Matze.Himmelgrau
@Matze.Himmelgrau 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately my futureshok 2.0 is starting to move sideways... I would like to replace it. With your "delete" befor.i had the normal future shok and never had problems.
@robertreynolds2690
@robertreynolds2690 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is doing the same thing. Have you found a remedy for all the movement?
@timdixo
@timdixo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a FS convert,it’s no gimmick. I use the stiffest spring to reduce sag and I run narrower tyres for the same comfort level. That said,the Specialized Roubaix and Diverge range with the FS are wickedly overpriced. I’d say a standard frame with a Redshift stem offers best bang for buck.
@greggr1591
@greggr1591 2 жыл бұрын
Science rules: simple, light, and strong. It's a win all around. Very cool 👍🏻
@jaydesimone4297
@jaydesimone4297 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Roubaix and I'd never heard of the 500-hour replacement (probably should have read the manual). I've certainly exceeded that and I haven't noticed a performance difference, or it has been so gradual that I've gotten used to it. Either way, I wouldn't bother to replace it.
@urosm6257
@urosm6257 Жыл бұрын
I never heard of a 500 hour replacement also. I think that was the thing with the previous version of the future shock
@tombola4046
@tombola4046 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a die hard Specialized person for many years, had a few diverge bikes all with future shock, last one being a 2020 expert, I had issues with all of them and the shock and warranty claims. I’ve now sold the Diverge and bought a 2022 Giant Revolt Pro, absolutely different league in terms of ride and love it.
@hyperclearphoto6573
@hyperclearphoto6573 6 ай бұрын
Can you use a suspension stem with the FSD and do you ever plan to thread the top so threaded top caps are an option?
@jonathanwoo6597
@jonathanwoo6597 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice! The Future Stem is a boat anchor. I plan to delete my FS as well, but I want a steerer tube that is 1-1/8" so I can put a light weight stem such as the Kalloy Uno stem.
@DilbertMuc
@DilbertMuc 2 жыл бұрын
So wider and softer tires actually substitute the missing FutureShock? 😄
@johnbaca8692
@johnbaca8692 2 жыл бұрын
I can almost hear the guys firing up their garage lathes!!! Nice work around.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@alfonsoceccarelli05
@alfonsoceccarelli05 Жыл бұрын
Hi, it is possible substiute the origina fork whit another? I would like to replace it with one that allows for wider wheels
@davidcornelis3792
@davidcornelis3792 2 жыл бұрын
Due to some wheel problems on my Roubaix (FS 1.5) I had to ride a sportive on an older Trek with rim brakes and beside the pavé sections (I live in the vicinity of the Tour of Flanders and Parijs-Roubaix courses) I really didn't miss the future shock. Very excited about this project and your findings! Cheers from Belgium!
@KILLA-J
@KILLA-J 2 жыл бұрын
Is there somewhere to sign up, or to get on the list to receive info when the FS replacement part(s) will be available? I have a Sirrus X 4.0 - it's already got over 400 miles on it but I can live without the FS and would like to replace it with a fixed position alternative. Also, I totally love your videos - keep 'em coming! I am an old person and the use of dropper posts was new and even though I have two bikes that came with d-posts, I never used them. When I finally understood how helpful dropper posts are should be used, and why, then I began using them and of course I immediately "saw the light" and now I will always have and use them (I think it was your video with the six upgrades to a Rockhopper that really began to help me understand the value of DP's). Thank you very much!!!
@11356p
@11356p 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid and the work! Can you reduce the stack height with a shorter delete?
@rjrichar100
@rjrichar100 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that the future shock had a need to be replaced, maybe that is why mine has started making a noise when being compressed. Thanks for the info, and yes my spacers are still working great!!
@rr5thnov1111
@rr5thnov1111 2 жыл бұрын
Will you sell the FS delete, or did Specialized get to you?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
ha. We're in the process of developing it for production. It's an aftermarket accessory; I hope they won't come after us. We're taking necessary precautions.
@rr5thnov1111
@rr5thnov1111 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Dude, I will def purchase one.
@lazyac_
@lazyac_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce so happy to ear that! "if specialized ears us, if this aftermarket is available i'll buy a diverge, i hate future shock thats why i own cannondale topstone"
@gally44
@gally44 2 жыл бұрын
Let us know when it goes on sale
@ninone23
@ninone23 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta make an s works carbon fiber rigid delete next 😆
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Haha the logical next step
@mattiagaliazzo4872
@mattiagaliazzo4872 11 күн бұрын
If i delete the future shock with this piece can i put a traditional suspension fork on diverge? Thanks
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 10 күн бұрын
No, unfortunately the FS headset design is baked into the frameset. Our delete kit just removes the suspension cartridge, but doesn’t fundamentally change the headset design.
@elithe240guy
@elithe240guy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Based on this great idea. Any chance you have plans to refine this “delete” and create one with A: a shorter lower section, (at some point the friction interface between the steerer ID and the cylinder OD become redundant.) B: the upper section that has an OD for a standard 1-1/8th stem. Add spacers or trim the length to preference…. I believe with a little refinement you can safely get this delete insert under 100 grams. There would be a real difference in feel at that point. It would not be a placebo. Keep it up.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Great feedback. Will definitely consider
@samdavid1978
@samdavid1978 2 жыл бұрын
nice work! are you able to lower the handlebar stem a little more than the stock FS? i feel too upright on my roubaix- so, how can i get one?
@disloyalyou5455
@disloyalyou5455 2 жыл бұрын
Same here got a longer stem but now I order an other topcap because the standard are 15 mm high 😵‍💫
@alexgonzalezMI
@alexgonzalezMI Жыл бұрын
Can it be used to lower the stack height? I hate how tall my Diverge is.
@paulcang6752
@paulcang6752 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely watching for updates on this (love my Diverge and hope to keep it for long) . I can't deny the benefits of the Futureshock but it is definitely not a long term tech at its current state (unless Specialized builds a serviceable unit later on... Which I doubt they would do)
@mattkavanaugh5623
@mattkavanaugh5623 2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting video, thanks! I suspect the different feeling (sharper) in steering that you felt is due to the rigid fork, no squish in the cornering, no change in HT angle, rather than the reduced weight. And I think you have the metrics you need - the ride feels just as good if not better with the FS deleted, so isn’t that what really matters…
@johnnypedals
@johnnypedals 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Question, why design it to keep the boot. Was there an engineering reason? I think when I machine mine I will make the top section 1 1/8" dia to accept standard stems and spacers. Might even send it out for black anodize too :)
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Boot is purely aesthetic. This is a prototype. Final will be anodized, even though it’s completely concealed
@darrennelson9420
@darrennelson9420 2 жыл бұрын
Next project, an adapter for the headset to add an aftermarket suspension fork like a Fox or RS?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting idea. 🤘
@dvoob
@dvoob 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce this would be even cooler
@bennuendo
@bennuendo 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I bought the Diverge largely on your early recommendation videos, and bought into the future shock as key in this decision. I love the bike overall. But having put 6k plus miles on the bike, I started to think the shock as more of a gimmick given the chunk that I like to ride. I am sure I’m past the service interval for the unit and I’m not interested in putting $ toward a new one. I think carbon bars would get me 80% of the comfort if I deleted my future shock. Definitely interested in getting one when they hit your store!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@rc0787
@rc0787 2 жыл бұрын
Interested as well!
@kidShibuya
@kidShibuya 2 жыл бұрын
Thats being a good little consumer! Buy what a youtuber says, then buy the thing he says to replace the thing he said to buy.
@averagegravelgrinder471
@averagegravelgrinder471 2 жыл бұрын
You have my attention. I bought my comp carbon for the futureshock and SWAT box, I still love the SWAT box.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I’m torn on the future shock. Functionally it’s pretty good, but so proprietary and heavy and expensive
@averagegravelgrinder471
@averagegravelgrinder471 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Heavy and at times not being able to use a stem cap mount has made things a little bit annoying.
@dtolios
@dtolios 2 жыл бұрын
Wait till the SWAT box delete 😉
@davet003.5
@davet003.5 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Prof Sauce - any updates on the device? Cheers Dave
@greenday987987
@greenday987987 2 жыл бұрын
Let me know when I can get my hands on one!
@tiagocardoso8876
@tiagocardoso8876 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Can't wait to buy one! Congrats for your work! 👏
@Spajdi2310
@Spajdi2310 Жыл бұрын
Hello, is it possible to install in this bike a third party fork? Even if it comes with getting rid of future shock?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
What do you mean 3rd party fork? The specialized future shock fork is proprietary and I don’t think there are any aftermarket options
@Spajdi2310
@Spajdi2310 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce I mean standard carbon or alloy fork that can be found in other bikes or purchased in bike store. As i know forks in bikes that have future shock has shorter and thicker forks tubes (because of possibility to install future shock).
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Right, you can’t install a normal fork in a FS bike. Or maybe you can, but it’s not officially supported. You’ll have a weird divot where the duck bill used to be
@Spajdi2310
@Spajdi2310 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Divot won't bother me, is there any adapter or someting that will allow installing traidional fork? I just want to be sure that i won't be forced to throw away whole bike, because i won't be able to change a fork when mine will break.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
There’s nothing on the market that I know of right now
@ScottFreeVideos
@ScottFreeVideos 10 ай бұрын
Do you think the Future Shock has an affect on watts? i.e. would stiffening up the bike with the FSD improve Watts?
@Markhypnosis1
@Markhypnosis1 10 ай бұрын
No. Because the bike doesn't move up or down as you push on the pedals. This has been shown in simulations.
@angelortiz353
@angelortiz353 2 жыл бұрын
Man do i need one my future shock is done and this would def be a solution for me
@anticlimacus513
@anticlimacus513 2 жыл бұрын
Love this! I am a machinist and have thought about making something very similar for myself out of titanium. I have wondered what stresses this would introduce into the fork steerer tube and or collar. I wonder if a carbon “future shock delete” would reduce those stresses. It might help dampen vibration as well. In your testing, do you plan to do any testing on amplitude/frequency of vibration into the riders hands vs standard future shock and vs a standard carbon fork? Would be very interested in seeing that.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Funny you ask. I have a couple of high frequency vibration data loggers on order
@ChristerJohansson
@ChristerJohansson 2 жыл бұрын
I have my own FS delete and been running it for a while. ATM a titanium one brewing... Regarding a carbon one, all manufacturers I spoke to said that the collar is expensive to get right, is the sharp edges. For that to be economical defendable, a series of units is needed. Anyways, the Diverge with the FS deleted is fantastic.
@paulrawlings1814
@paulrawlings1814 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried just replacing the spring with a hollow tube spacer? It would be a simpler means of achieving a similar result.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Good thought, but it would only apply to the 1.5. Also, the adjustable spring is only a booster spring and the main internal spring would still be active.
@EliasLopez
@EliasLopez 2 жыл бұрын
Can I replace the whole fork and stem from a Tarmac SL7 on a Sirrus X Comp?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
If it has future shock, you can’t replace with a standard fork and stem
@robertreynolds2690
@robertreynolds2690 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 Specialized Diverge expert with the 2.0. My future shock is shot! I feel the bike is unsafe at this point. With both hands in the drops you can alternate pressure by pushing down on the bar and there is a lot of play. I have disassembled and tightened everything to spec and can not figure out why the excessive movement. I can not find replacement future shock 2.0's for sale anywhere. I am on the verge of ditching the diverge and going with something else. Please sell me one of your replacements!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. In the works! We’re working on it
@angelortiz353
@angelortiz353 2 жыл бұрын
Hi by chance are you selling any delete hardware??
@MokaBoucha
@MokaBoucha Жыл бұрын
Can I replace the complete fork and future Shock with a standard fork?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Not officially. You might be able to hack something together, but the headset design is completely different from standard
@MokaBoucha
@MokaBoucha Жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce thanks. Got a Diverge but have FS2.0 permanently off bc I ride flat smooth gravel. Would that prolong the FS life?
@urosm6257
@urosm6257 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that there is a 500 hour replacement interval for future shocks 1.5 or 2.0. It is a 500 hour interval service for future shock 1.0 that costs 50 dollars. Future shock 1.5 and 2.0 don’t have service intervals.
@hopsing1387
@hopsing1387 2 жыл бұрын
Noticed you were riding the FS delete on the latest wheel video. Any closer to production on the FS delete?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Getting there. Still in progress
@jlagarde
@jlagarde 2 жыл бұрын
what happens if you just don't replace it? does it eventually just sag down? Wouldn't it be easier to add some spacers at that point (don't really know the mechanics of it, just hypothesizing)?
@paulrawlings1814
@paulrawlings1814 Жыл бұрын
The Future shock wears at the front and rear, increasing clearance between the inner and outer sleeves. It will make a more pronounced grinding/rubbing noise as the clearance increases. My Roubaix is doing this already. It is an inherent design problem because of the torque moment applied particularly when riding on the hoods. I have tried to lubricate the sliding surfaces but it didn't make any difference.
@Freightlinerbob
@Freightlinerbob 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work. I’d own a 64cm Diverge already if it wasn’t for the future shock which is the only option in that size. My issue is Stack. There’s never enough and I use a steerer extension on most of my bikes. Something I suppose a future shock would not accommodate safely.
@Luchopapa16
@Luchopapa16 2 жыл бұрын
I really like my Diverge but will definitely buy one of these if you sell them! Good work 👍
@roslynhenricks8362
@roslynhenricks8362 2 жыл бұрын
Interested in purchasing if you sell them! I have a 2018 Diverge and always wondered if the FS really made a difference and if that was worth the added weight.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
We’re working on a production version!
@Ryezn5057
@Ryezn5057 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. BTW would you mind sharing your handlebar bag?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Lead Out bar bag.
@dtolios
@dtolios 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Changes in tire pressure can "simulate" part of what the suspension stems/FS etc do, but come with their own compromizes if you get too low and/or when you try to push the bike hard on pavement. Choices, choices
@philhatton9551
@philhatton9551 2 жыл бұрын
Can I buy one of these? So fed up with future shock issues 😢
@marcinz90
@marcinz90 2 жыл бұрын
I would get one immediately for my Roubaix! watching this space :)
@mikeokano4290
@mikeokano4290 Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a way to delete the future shock on my SWorks Diverge without having to buy a new fork. Love the bike, hate the future shock! You've got a great solution and I'm inline for one as soon as available. Hopefully not too long or I'm getting a new frame! :)
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Early to mid March is the target!
@henzsy1404
@henzsy1404 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on testing delete future shock ! Just checking if you want to test another type of headshock component similar to future shock 1.5 ? Basically just drop in replacement ?😜
@gotfixed
@gotfixed 2 жыл бұрын
U r a genius! Think of all those diverge bikes and their shocks when they fail! Ur gonna make a lot of $$$$ way to go! I went through three shocks until I had enough. Riding a canyon now.
@Metal_Face_Doom
@Metal_Face_Doom 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Is there an estimated date for the release of this FS delete?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
We are really trying for early ‘23. Hopefully feb?
@Metal_Face_Doom
@Metal_Face_Doom 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Awesome! I'll definitely be waiting with cash in hand! 😅 BTW - Nice nice videos, keep up the great work!!!!
@juanhernandez8021
@juanhernandez8021 2 жыл бұрын
Planning to sell more of those FS delete?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Hoping for a couple months from now
@octopusphysiotherapy9272
@octopusphysiotherapy9272 Жыл бұрын
Do you sell the Futureshick delete?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Yup. Link is in description
@nigellee7892
@nigellee7892 10 ай бұрын
This is a great video. Heck though, I think that quite a lot of the “innovations”of the multi-£billion 'cycling industry' (including Future Shock) are more about ‘enhancing the perceived value’ of bikes and thereby increasing their overall retail price than about anything else. In a similar way, I remember my grandfather, who used to make and sell expensive, handmade fishing rods (back in the day), telling me with a big smile on his face that a lot of the ‘fishing tackle' he made and sold, was more about catching the fisherman than about catching fish! It's always stuck in my mind as an object lesson in commercialism, as well as a comment on the potential gullibility of the consumer. What he was getting at, does of course apply as much to ‘anglers’ in the literal sense, as it does figuratively to cyclists and other consumers more broadly. And I have to admit to being guilty of this folly myself too, at times. No doubt, there are genuine new developments and innovations that bring some genuine benefits to the cyclist but they typically come at great extra cost and yet provide in reality, only a small ‘diminishing return’.
@jasonott2283
@jasonott2283 2 жыл бұрын
When can I get my hands on one of these?
@adonisrodriguez4499
@adonisrodriguez4499 Жыл бұрын
I am trying to get rid of the whole system and slam the stem to make my bike more aero. You should make a video about that
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Seems there is a lot of interest in this. May do a slammed version soon
@ScottFreeVideos
@ScottFreeVideos 10 ай бұрын
@@TheBikeSaucePlease do! Would definitely purchase one.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 10 ай бұрын
A slammed prototype is undergoing ISO testing presently. Hopefully in the online shop soon
@jeffreyrule8143
@jeffreyrule8143 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍. Thank you. I ride a Roubaix and this video was very helpful.
@tandemracer
@tandemracer 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the final design be able to use a standard top cap above the stem and maybe a 3D printed cone to replace the rubber bellows filler below the stem.
@tandemracer
@tandemracer 2 жыл бұрын
More unrequested input - Looks like the top section of your Delete is the same diameter as the Future Shock without the additional shim required to use a standard stem. Why not just make it 28.6 - it could also be stronger and without as much of a stress riser where it narrows down.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, all things we considered. As is, it’s a direct replacement which wouldn’t require a new stem. The stock boot is left in place to retain the stock appearance
@greenday987987
@greenday987987 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think there is actually an interval replacement for future shocks. I have heard of that but specialized doesn’t have anything published that says that.
@mg6263
@mg6263 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. They actually state that the Future Shock should last the life of ownership, basically the life of the bike.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Yea interesting. All of the media outlets all stated the 500 hour thing, but reading my owners manual, I don’t see the number of hours listed. Sounds like it was a recommendation by Specialized that they’ve perhaps rescinded.
@yumenonobe3984
@yumenonobe3984 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! I’m one of the students who helped bring this product to life. During this project, I directly called Specialized to inquire about the frequent replacement, and they confirmed that they still recommend that riders get a new Future Shock every 500 hours. I unfortunately didn’t think far enough to ask why, so I’m still unsure why it’s not listed in any manuals. Maybe I’ll call again and ask.
@davet003.5
@davet003.5 2 жыл бұрын
@@yumenonobe3984 that would be great. Would you mind also asking them for the characteristics of an end of life future shock? my LBS doesn’t know if a replacement recommendation.
@LVang152
@LVang152 Жыл бұрын
I just order Sirrus X 4.0 and cannot wait to ride it.
@paulwaters3411
@paulwaters3411 2 жыл бұрын
Would this work for the future shock 1.0. If so how can I get one.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Should fit fine. We aren’t in the production phase just yet
@paulwaters3411
@paulwaters3411 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Please keep me in the loop.
@pogingbryannorway
@pogingbryannorway 2 жыл бұрын
So the bring back the cannondale headshok and to avoid patent issue the place it over the head tube. And instead of the entire fork they make it like a steerer tube extension. The engineer of that thing might be a fan of headshok.
@rguitarist
@rguitarist 2 жыл бұрын
Great video again! What setting on the 2.0 do you think you ride the most? I’ve been running mine about mid way, 4-5 clicks on pretty hard terrain. When it gets chunky, I open it up. Curious to know your thoughts. I wish Specialized would have a guide to settings. Thanks man!
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Usually just wide open or fully closed.
@jmpusa01
@jmpusa01 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Its on or off specialized fooled us with clicks in the knob
@billmaidment5623
@billmaidment5623 2 жыл бұрын
Is it ready for sale?
@BrettWae
@BrettWae 2 жыл бұрын
Will the delete kit be available?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
It will. Hoping for Jan 23
@BrettWae
@BrettWae 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce How much would it cost?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
aiming for well under $100, but will depend on mnfr costs
@outdoorexpeditionsusallc6496
@outdoorexpeditionsusallc6496 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Count me in should you start to produce them.
@Slow.Smooth
@Slow.Smooth 2 жыл бұрын
Hey anyway I can get my hands on one?!?!
@elachichai
@elachichai Жыл бұрын
Modular Replacement beats Proprietary Designs. Same for Canyon Double Decker Bar - which is worse as handlebar is irreplaceable. The Duck bill is an Achilles heal as it can break. Besides it can allow water trickling. RedShift stem is a better option! In fact if companies don't sell pedals with bikes, they shouldn't sell seats (and reduce cost) and handlebars either (or provide size/type options).
@rale2562
@rale2562 2 жыл бұрын
I am also thinking of building a rigid tube to replace my future shock. Your first version looks not bad but I am wondering why you are keeping the complex shape with the sharp notch at the diameter change. This is not good for fatigue. I will mill a tube with two diameters out of one piece with a smooth transition from lower to upper diameter so that no notch is given. No notch, no local stress concentration and no fatigue issue. There is no need for a rubber etc. since there is no mechanic etc. to be protect at the diameter change. Keep it simple. Since it will be milled out of one piece, you can also directly integrate the thread fixing for the upper ‚headset cover‘.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like a good idea to keep it more simple, but there are aesthetics to consider as well as ease of installation and preservation of fit. Without the boot, there will just be exposed metal of different diameter. Or you end up using 35mm worth of hs spacers to avoid changing the stack. Design aside, or analysis shows no localized stresses to be concerned about. The prototype is undergoing ISO fatigue testing as we speak, so we will see if anything comes up.
@64fred
@64fred 2 жыл бұрын
Please keep the research going! I have a Sirrus X 4.0 and I love riding it, the geometry suits me perfectly. But long term I don't want to be forking out big money for a replacement futureshock system when I can go up a tyre size and fit your de!ete system. A definite sale from the Uk.....
@jessechen4971
@jessechen4971 2 жыл бұрын
Please make an aftermarket FS. I tried to brainstorm a generic one that could fit on all gravel/road bikes, but I guess my MechE degree + 0 real engineering experience wasn't enough. Also, Specialized is incentivized to have us replace the FS. I would bet that 500 hours was picked to be low enough to generate max revenue (max # replacements), while high enough to not deter buyers of the bikes. For me, unless the FS starts feeling bad (or wiggles, jiggles, and makes sound etc.), I probably would just continue using it past 500 hrs.
@JuvoII
@JuvoII 2 жыл бұрын
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@jralicea6299
@jralicea6299 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, until I feel a difference in performance I will keep the FS I have (first version with springs) in use.
@tandemracer
@tandemracer 2 жыл бұрын
I have about 1,500 hours on my Diverge with Future Shock 1.0. Still works, but not quite as smoothly as when new. Interested in the delete option to save some weight.
@Cycle9568
@Cycle9568 2 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see how light this option could be. Could you cut another 50 grams away? How long does the adapter actually need to be? Also, thanks for making the 5mm adapter rings I have purchased a set and have one installed on my bike currently.
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Yea it’s a first draft for sure. Although being the stem area, I’d rather not see what I can ‘get away with.’ It’s already more than 150g lighter than either FS model
@Cycle9568
@Cycle9568 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce totally understand the liability issue. But, say I am running the 0mm headset spacer vs the 15mm one... That is 15mm of 7075 that I don’t need on my bike. 😁
@jimpeyton1459
@jimpeyton1459 2 жыл бұрын
Bought my first new (to me) Roubaix which came with FS 1.5. This is the first I heard of Specialized's recommended replacement cycle of 500 hours...that's essentially once per outdoor riding season! Love the prototype testing. Looks solid. Would an aftermarket FS (1.5 or 2.0) be viable?
@antoniocastro8289
@antoniocastro8289 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is allready going for 30000 kms, it works like new. Never had a problem with it, but this is a great solution!
@tecnociclista5342
@tecnociclista5342 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely engineered...but to me the main takeaway from the video is don't buy proprietary stuff like this in the first place. What's the point in spending extra dollars on the Future shock system, only to 'delete' it a couple of years later? I made similar experiences with Cannondale's Headshok...pretty cool when new but expensive and. Complicated to maintain and replace. Since then I stick with the simple stuff...:)
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
No arguments there. I think a lot of consumers buy into the future shock system without understanding the long term maintenance requirements
@daniels.2720
@daniels.2720 2 жыл бұрын
...FS is the sole reason I DIDN'T buy a Diverge
@jasonwu9287
@jasonwu9287 2 жыл бұрын
@@daniels.2720 I had the opportunity to buy a used Diverge at a good price, and then I noticed the FS boot and called off the purchase 🤔
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is that it’s a great bike
@andrewhamilton3486
@andrewhamilton3486 2 жыл бұрын
Is the delete from a solid piece of metal??
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Machined from solid aluminum bar
@prof_writer
@prof_writer 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Sauce doesn't it seem like just yesterday... the Future Shock was the biggest marketing story in bicycling? It seemed to be so high-tech and futuristic. Now once the bling wore off you're sticking a chunk of aluminum in there and turning it back into a hardhead. Is that the opposite of a hardtail? Good work tremendous practical student project.
@pault477
@pault477 2 жыл бұрын
When can we get it from you?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Haha will be a while I guess. Lots of logistical stuff to sort through
@jimgriffin7367
@jimgriffin7367 2 жыл бұрын
are you selling those cartridges?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Not yet, but I’d like to eventually!
@pedromonica1983
@pedromonica1983 2 жыл бұрын
where can i buy the delete ?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Working on a production version. Hopefully soon
@greenwich6094
@greenwich6094 2 жыл бұрын
available in stock?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Soon!
@Pleasure_Baron
@Pleasure_Baron 2 жыл бұрын
Stoked about the Future Shock Delete-- will it be on your webstore soon?
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce 2 жыл бұрын
Working on some logistical stuff, but that’s the plan
@seventiesandbeyond
@seventiesandbeyond Жыл бұрын
Any news on this???
@TheBikeSauce
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
First production run in manufacturing. So, pretty soon!
@Combat556
@Combat556 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got a 2022 Turbo Creo SL with a FS 2.0, and no issues, but just wanted to see what a replacement FS 2.0 would cost; $398 at Performance Bike online as of Nov. 3, 2023. Yikes, that’s an expensive maintenance item. A FS delete may be in my future (after 500 hours), and I’ll probably replace the factory aluminum bars with carbon bars for a better ride quality.
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