Who Is Omnius, the Ultimate Enemy? | Dune Prophecy Episode 6 Explained

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Agamemnon was not a hybrid between human and thinking machine. He’s a human brain controlling a mechanic structure, a cymek. There’s no “thinking” in his machine, so to say. He was ultimately enslaved by Omnius, forced to comply and work for the evermind. And his plans (along with the other Titans) was to eliminate Omnius and seize back the control of the known universe.

[@thedarkside3899]

thing with the emporer is... not even killing himself really was his own choice... Valya told him that his entire life was basically faked in case Francesca wouldn't go through with the plan since Valyaa understood that Francesca had true feelings for him.

[@Binge_Zone]

🤯 I didn’t even realize that! You’re right

[@thedarkside3899]

@@Binge_Zone it's damn well written tbh. I mean her sitting on the Throne would have been enough to be imprisoned so her mocking him was for a reason.

[@dudewrapsupreme]

jeez this made his death feel even worse hahaha

[@alexrider8616]

She should of just told him she loved him in the end . Man went out dark asf

[@pragma5282]

Plans within plans

[@midsizesedan7620]

This was the best episode imo. The pacing alone was better than all the previous ones.

[@Binge_Zone]

The pacing made it flow so well. It didn’t even feel like 1hr20

[@lolah3838]

It really was a phenomenal episode. It didn't let up for a minute. I didn't know it was a longer episode going in and at the hour marked I checked and saw there was still 25 minutes to go and I was excited because we definitely needed more.

[@pragma5282]

The hooded figure looks to me like Erasmus, and it could be great, since it's the most interesting character among the thinking machines, and survived the Jihad

[@adelezakus4795]

They were given a choice of accepting a new mother superior or going the way of the sister they followed. Choosing death is the end. It means you don’t get to form another alliance to overthrow someone who you think shouldn’t be in power. There was enough of them that if they had bided their time, they may have been able to overthrow her. They chose to die rather than live on and fight or see that maybe Valia was correct, however now they’ll never know.

[@NotUnymous]

Right. And yet, they knew that they would only have been slaves to empower all what they belive (truthfully imo) to be evil, to betray everything they stood, worked, lived for. And that the chances of them ever beeing able to rebel against it where near to none. ...as you could see looking at the one sister who in fact did chose life. The other took the noble way out. Not betraying their own existing, even If it means certain death.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Not Omnius! Maybe we saw Erasmus in that scene. Erasmus DID experiment a lot on human beings. But Omnius was wiped out by Vorian an the human armies, to come back only millennia later. Erasmus used the form of a robot, and famously wore a characteristic cape. But could also be another human enemy controlling/using a thinking machine.

[@petersilvestry3395]

@@TETASARAIVACS I hate to spoil it for you but Omnious survived the war. He had sent copies of himself out across space and one reached the furthest reaches of the galaxy and he's building an army. Erasmus is with him.

[@mako88sb]

@@petersilvestry3395 Been so long since I read the Dune schools trilogy I’d forgotten that. Need to read it again. I wasn’t a huge fan of the previous 8 books by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson but the schools trilogy was pretty decent. I especially enjoyed when they focused on the navigators.

[@jakeg3733]

No, and the distinction is academic. They are all part of a collective, one that humans ourselves could never achieve. Erasmus is essentially a different facet of the Omnius personality; the later books tell us as much. All of of his individuality was built upon the core of Omnius, which all thinking machine models were programmed with. They're like brothers or something. Different perspectives, coming from different experiences, but the same basic "person" if you will. The prequels get into some pretty deep philosophical issues, despite all the hate they receive. Erasmus and Omnius both, by the end of the timeline, I think qualify as people. They didn't start that way but evolved over the millennia in much the same way as the Cylons from BSG. Which raises interesting questions about how human consciousness developed and where _exactly_ the cutoff is for sentience

[@jakeg3733]

@@petersilvestry3395 Why we don't EVER want to create tech like this. Yes, he sent out not only probes with automated manufacturing capabilities, but also a final broadcast from Corrin containing his complete, unabridged consciousness. To be picked up by one of the multitude of machine outposts beyond human-charted space. You cannot defeat these things once they've reached the level of self-replication; they're much like ants or termites, leaving so much as one functional unit will mean they can rebuild given enough time

[@TETASARAIVACS]

@@petersilvestry3395 As I said, Omnius was destroyed by Vorian and the human armies (all of its copies in the Synchronised Worlds were wiped out), and would only come back millennia later. The lore explicitly tells us that Omnius was defeated. And that it only returns after the Scattering (yes, from one copy of many that were previously sent across the universe). So if it turns out that Omnius is indeed the enemy behind Desmond Hart in “Dune Prophecy”, it would be a huge violence against the lore.

[@AlexBoyle-x8k]

Forcing someone to make a choice between life for death, and then amplifying that effect by using The Voice is kinda an assault, she forced them on a molecular level to make an instantaneous decision which their minds had already made before their bodies could react, they never had a chance unless they already had their doubts

[@Binge_Zone]

That’s true, most of them didn’t have enough time to process. And to your point about doubt, sister avila only survived because of it.

[@zentai5076]

I was waiting for the "fear is the mindkiller" line or origin of the mantra.

[@gergobardos1831]

Yes, that is the only thing I really missed. It would have been so good to hear from Tulah when she was guiding Valia trough her fears.

[@lolah3838]

5:41. Valya didn't slaughter them. They chose to take their own lives, but the only remaining people who know that are Tula & Valya. I'm sure the Dorotea acolytes won't believe they weren't slaughtered.

[@NikolaosSkordilis]

It was an enforced choice though, via the Voice, so she kind of did. Choices are supposed to be free, but this one was not. No option was given to quit the Sisterhood or not choose at all. What surprised me most was how easily Valya infected the other three with her bloodlust.. How could they trust someone whose only options were "Bend the knee or rot at the bottom of the well?" How do they know she won't turn on them next? Valya keeps saying "Sisterhood above all" but what she really means is "Valya above all". Just Valya, not even Harkonnen...

[@leeblack2103]

Maybe it’s Erasmus in the shadows

[@MattFriedman2]

Valya did not kill the sisters. She only ordered them to choose. Remember one of them did choose to live and join Valya.

[@MorcegoYar]

the emperor did not chose for kill himself to die, remember that his death was aready decided by valya, he killing himself or die by the poison didnt matter, his fade have been decided for him, he did not chose a single moment of his life not even his death, (ironic isant it)

[@a.b3748]

Nice review thank you 👍

[@eliedelkind]

We know Omnius survived but I don’t think there’s any evidence that rules out the Ixians, Tleilaxu, or any Omnius remnant (including Erasmus).

[@jimmyandersson9938]

I guess Desmond had to be taken over by the AI many years before he got to Salusa secundus, considering he was a known soldier allready who survived so many years on Arrakis when most didn't make it past their first?

[@NikolaosSkordilis]

5:32 Valya and the other three Sisters did not give the others a choice, they _enforced_ a choice on them, via the Voice. Which seems like an oxymoron, since choices are supposed to be free. So said enforced choice was "die or bend the knee", without another option such as quit the Sisterhood or a choice to not choose at all. And all but one chose to die... Either way, if Valya is meant to win I strongly doubt her victory will be bloodless. At least half of the Sisters who saw the skeletons in the.. well and her AI will probably die. "Sacrifices need to be made" for Valya to have her pound of flesh for her brother's death. She will blame everyone but herself, though deep down she knows she's the one to blame... A very angry and hateful woman.

[@jillg9108]

They could have suggested follow me or leave. It was mass murder.

[@Binge_Zone]

That’s true. Giving the option for death is the nail in the coffin.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

@@Binge_Zone No wonder why they`re called "the Witches"! They are not the "good guys".

[@chadvanderlinden9548]

Mankind outlaws the thinking machines, and after a valiant battle, the machines are destroyed (officially). Some realize the machines may only have retreated outside human space, to regroup and rebuild. Others suspect that there are hidden machines almost everywhere. Underground in every human world, and in nearby space in places where there are no reasons for humans to go. Some know there are machines, as they still use them for illegal purposes. But the truth is even more sobering than that. There is no prescience. There is no voice. There is no self-manipulation at a molecular level. There is no hereditary memory, no mentat ability and no navigator evolution. Everywhere, there are nanobots. The machines never left! They just let humans believe whatever comforts them. They blind humans to the truth. The technology to detect nanotech is as illegal as nanotech itself. The machines enhance human minds and provide them with the talent appropriate for their training. They provide the expanded consiousness, the memories of ancestors and the visions of the probable future. And they keep those minds from discovering the truth. To say the machines won is an understatement. But, why do they let the humans live? Why do they manipulate the humans from the shadows instead of just uploading new programming into everyone?

[@TETASARAIVACS]

So your insight is a "midichlorian theory" of the Dune Universe 😁

[@TETASARAIVACS]

But no, if it was so, then Omnius and Erasmus wouldn`t need the facedancers to infiltrate and try to dominate the known universe in the end, after the God Emperor.

[@chadvanderlinden9548]

@@TETASARAIVACS I haven't read any of the Brian Herbert books, but maybe they didn't need the facedancers for anything. They just let them stir things up and watched for amusement.

[@NikolaosSkordilis]

"But, why do they let the humans live?" Assuming your hypothesis holds any water, if a virus (whether organic or nanotech based) kills their host the virus will also die.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

@@chadvanderlinden9548 I always suggest to those who haven’t read all other Dune books that they try the audiobook versions. They are very good! And also, sometimes we feel we’re short of time and not willing to read through the whole thing. 😊

[@sammychung4156]

It definitely would not be Omnius because he was destroyed at the end of the Butler Jihad. My guess is that the shadow figure is Gilbertus, working on behalf of Erasmus.

[@ricoltmetric8156]

The Ultimate end of Dune Universe battle of Thinking Machine vs Humans is the Ghola of Duncan Idaho merging minds with the Robot Erasmus . Duncan is the ultimate Kwisatz Haderach. Repeating cloned in every novel and Erasmus Robot Mind has been around longer since the Jihad.

[@petersilvestry3395]

I would hate for this guy to be Omnious. From what I know, Omnious comes back with Erasmus waaay later on in the books. It would just be completely messing up the chronology.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Exactly the point I've been making

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

The show didn't say he was Omnious. He had nanotech implanted in his eye. That doesn't make him Omnious

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Did you watch the video in question here? Dude says that maybe Omnius is the enemy for whom Desmond Hart works. We think that’s not likely, because Omnius was defeated by Vorian and only comes back millennia later, after the Scattering. If it turns out that Omnius IS IN FACT the enemy behind Desmond Hart, it would be a terrible lore breaking.

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

@@TETASARAIVACS after all the wrong predictions about the show by KZbinrs I would not put much stock in what this video says

[@vjo38]

Highly recommend reading the original trilogy this draws from.

[@MrHealthWellness]

I enjoyed the first season. Happy there will be a second. I think the choice was Valia or death.

[@Binge_Zone]

Yeah. Making the second option death was extreme

[@ianbrewster8934]

I'm not going to lie I'm liking this I didn't think I would.

[@BILLYRAYBOB9789]

The machines acted like the sith in starwars blend manipulate with whispers

[@deltonlomatai2309]

It may not be omnius. It maybe another house using thinking machine tech.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Yes, it could be some other human enemy. Could be a version of Erasmus, using his infamous metallic cape. Could be someone related to the Guild. Or even the Thleilaxu. But it couldn't be Omnius, which was destroyed and only returned millennia later.

[@CrazyJoeClark429]

So could Paul Maudib be working for the machines? I remember in the original Dune 1984 movie Paul told the Mother Superior “Try looking into that place you dare not look, you will find me staring back at you”.

[@TETASARAIVACS]

Paul had full prescience, and lived full-time in a state of full prescience. it was like he was the very core of Prescience itself. He was the Kwizats Haderach. Every time a Reverend Mother tried to look into this "core of Prescience", they would see Paul "staring back at them". BUT NO! Paul would not be working for the thinking machines.

[@muzammilm.nurdin3349]

​@@TETASARAIVACS agreed with you. I believe Frank Herbert was trying to put some sort of mystical/spiritual elements into his novel through Kwisatch Harderach character. Some things are simply 'divine' and 'miracle'.

[@WebFanNY]

@Binge_Zone did you catch the Baron Harkonnen scene removing the video recorder was like a product placement for the Ring Surveillance camera! 💍= 🎥

[@gregorygraham3145]

Yes forcing someone to do something against there will is bad

[@juanspinzanti5724]

This season could be the same in half the chapters

[@nadiamond]

I know they show his eye getting pulled out and machines attached to his optical nerve, but if it can do nanoscale things, why not just inject nano machines into him or he inhales them, not having to be so invasive lol.

[@walstib1989]

Has anyone made the connection between the Worms and the Spacing guild ships? they do look very similar. Also Desmond was engulfed by a "worm" then implanted with nano ai's. Could Omnius be hiding out in a Spacing guild ship or even be a "worm" half organic half AI??

[@nadiamond]

That picture you used with a humanoid robot and a big mecha with guns, the humanoid was Erasmus, because he liked to wear robes, the mecha was one of the titans, not omnius.

[@Ebwankanobi]

Legendmac?

[@N95787]

They chose.

[@alshamms]

Question: when Jesus went to John to be baptized, what name did John use to baptize Jesus?

[@Albertius-Omygod]

Anirul started it all. Paul existed because of Her...?

[@jimmmmy41]

Do we know they are thinking machines? Or..just machines used by Tleilaxu or Ixians?

[@Binge_Zone]

I’m leaving towards the Tleilaxu

[@nadiamond]

I know valya wins cause I read the book.

[@hthee3rd]

I didn’t like how the show depicted most of the BG’s powers in comparison to the movies. The powers came off a little cheesy and without the gravitas of the movies’ portrayal of the BG. I appreciated your concise and informative reviews. Your reviews kept my interest level up for the episodes. I wouldn’t put this series in my top list for the year. It was just ok to me. I doubt I’d recommend it. Although I will check in for a season 2.

[@NickS-l1o]

Definitely not Ominus

[@abheceshabemuskk3531]

nice spoiler on the thumbnail. you are a disgrace

[@Binge_Zone]

What spoiler?

[@abheceshabemuskk3531]

@@Binge_Zone i will report you for terrorism

[@dominiccastro6483]

Constantine will be Emperor in the end. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[@lalywindland5764]

Yes, or a son of princess Ynez or of Constantine. Emperor Shaddam,, during Paul Atreides's time , was desperate for a son, but had only 5 daughters, princess Irulan being the eldest. I always thought it was just misogyny, as Irulan was wise and competent, but maybe there were instances in his family's history that made the emperor wary of a female heir... in exile, he considers his grandson Faran'd his heir, despite him being the son of his third daughter, not the first or second daughter.

[@dominiccastro6483]

@@lalywindland5764 It has to be a male heir to carry on the Corrino name.

[@lalywindland5764]

@@dominiccastro6483 Not necessarily. In our history, when prince Phillip married queen Elisabeth, he took her family name and not the other way around, because she was the queen regnant and not queen consort. In many countries, in 2024 , average couples can choose whose family name they will use after marriage, keep their family names or can hyphenate their names. Corrinos were called Butlers before the battle of Corrino. Just like the Windsors took that name instead of their germanic one during the war, to show patriotism for UK.