SECRETS REVEALED, Who Is The Ultimate Enemy? | Dune Prophecy Episode 6 Review

[@ThisOldChris]

I did not like how Lila/Dorothea opened the secured door with two hits of a crowbar...

[@nora-.-g]

This bothered me too. Things like that take you out of a story - because really in all these years did no one else do that?

[@charliebice]

haha for real, nobody has done this before?

[@ForeverBrooklynNYC]

@@charliebice why would they? why would any of the acolytes be so distrustful and rebellious?

[@mjw907]

Two crow bar hits to destroy a door one crow bar hit to destroy a giant sentient super computer

[@lol_vevo]

How did she even know about the location of the bodies (or even about their existence)?

[@zeebaa6]

The de-transition from the warp was so cool

[@Epoch11]

I was under the impression that the ships were more like portals and the space inside of the ship was folded. Allowing for instantaneous travel from one part of the galaxy to another. Now it seems as if the ships can create portals themselves. I thought the way the spacing Guild held their Monopoly was because you needed to essentially move through one of those giant ships to get from one place to the other.

[@TheBakedalaskajoe]

epic

[@Locomang0]

@@Epoch11that’s what I imagined it would be

[@MaharionPendragon]

@@Epoch11 10,000 years later, that is indeed the way.

[@neondemon5137]

Looked and sounded like something from The Expanse.

[@nguyenkh2002]

I like how Valia experience will lead to Benne Gesserit test for humanity and their litany: "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

[@zackswanson7188]

This may be my favorite scene of the episode.

[@jolietjake19]

Yeah, I loved that reference when Tula said: "let the fear pass through you." I immediately thought of the litany.

[@dustyblanco1546]

Yes. At first I was a little disappointed by the burning being a virus, but then watching the finale and seeing that scene, and remembering that the virus inhabits the amygdala (fear center of the brain) it clicked. I realized this would be the origin of the litany, and why it would become so important for thousands of years.

[@Darkemboli]

Wow, that’s an eye opener!

[@TheShapingSickness]

I really liked that they didn't explicitly said the litany, but made it so valya said the words so organically.

[@kirk001]

Every actor brought their A game in this episode. Absolutely amazing!

[@Kevin.A.S]

There were a few weak performances, the indian girl changing the babies was bad

[@DallasRenaissanceMan]

God Emperor Quinn’s Ideas proving that he is the ONLY KZbinr with the prescience that predicted the origin of the blue eyes!

[@JimmyBagOfDonuts]

He IS the kwisatz haderach of Dune info!

[@christopherfisher2820]

Anyone that thought it was Leto hasnt payed attention. Leto only cared about the future of humanity. So absolutely no reason to interact with the past(if that's even possible) it was a red hairing that people took line and sinker. Which if they actually paid attention to the point of the golden path, it was always about the future. The past is just that past, done.

[@iinkshade]

@@christopherfisher2820 I haven't read God Emperor, but unless I'm mistaken, Leto II did look back on the past of humanity very extensively. Wouldn't they at the very least be able to see him looking back at them through prescience?

[@Zeppelin180]

@@christopherfisher2820plus the God Emperor wouldn’t make robot noises.

[@GilmoreJST]

It wasn't executed well, but I think the original plan to swap out Ynez was blown up as soon as she demanded they take Keiran with them. It would have looked very odd if they took him, but left the Princess, so impersonating the guard was an improvisation. It still didn't make much sense when she could have just fled with the group at that point though. The whole facedancer subplot has felt kind of shoe-horned in TBH.

[@redrocket3239]

Yeah, the whole facedancer thing feels rather fanservice-y. Why they decided to include one yet completely omit mentats seems odd to me.

[@ANTIStraussian]

"The plan is blown, come with me and be a body guard."

[@davepost7675]

Yeah, that's what I think as well. Though, she really didn't gain them much time by what she did. Too bad she didn't have a poison dart.

[@deankruse2891]

Kind of a metaphor for the whole show.

[@marcacee220]

I think they added a facedancer to introduce people not familiar with the books to them before dune messiah comes out

[@bovinicusdivinicus]

6:20 they were not commanded to commit suicide.they were commanded to choose. Each of them chose death . True they were forced to choose. But it was their choice.

[@rickbase833]

Good catch! I heard the same when I viewed this episode again.

[@guys917]

👌"Mother Superior, whatever became of Mother Doretea's disciples?"👌 "They all, save one, chose to leave."

[@lyndsay80]

Agreed on the longer last episode being superior. I also wish that most (if not all) of the episodes were around 80 minutes long.

[@alexanderwood5999]

Yeah or just do 10 episodes. I really don’t like how after GoT did it once, every other show has been making less and less episodes. I think 10 should be the minimum. 50 years ago shows had like 36 or more episodes per season and now we’re down to 6.

[@evilzilla4053]

@@alexanderwood5999 yep and its not just HBO I want my ten episodes back too having said that this was better than HOTD

[@Freddie-Z-Geek4Ever]

Just be glad this IP is not owned by Disney or else it would have been six 30 minute episodes!

[@lyrilljackson]

how are u taking this long to realize that HBO IS LOSING MARKET AND PLAYING HARD TO GET AT THE SAME TIME. they literally fucking told you push and pull

[@TheRogBG]

I just wish the show wasn't so boring.

[@robertvest917]

In “The Butlerian Jihad” book, a sandworm swallows a machine factory bot designed to terraform new worlds into the Synchronized Empire built by the short-lived Omnius on Giedi Prime. Maybe… maybe it’s literally still there, inside the worm, making cyborgs.

[@ANTIStraussian]

The machines lab inside the worm should be shaking more lol.

[@lyrilljackson]

cringe

[@70briareos]

Holy shit, that sounds like a Borgified sandworm! The mind boggles!!

[@ANTIStraussian]

@70briareos how can there be a work station inside a worm?!

[@charliewoot22]

That idea sounds kind of awesome to me 😂

[@Kastigatr]

I found it interesting when tulla was "coaching" valya through her ordeal dealing with Desmond's viral attack. Almost like the foundation of the litany against fear, as the viral effects intensify based on the fear of the victim

[@ANTIStraussian]

Good catch.

[@gfxced]

The fact that the test of fear is burning / fire too. That's what happens in feeling when the BG tests people with the hand in the box.

[@lyrilljackson]

except what starts the fear again? certainly not because the fight started by the victim.

[@lyrilljackson]

@@gfxced lmfao all just fucking made up bs. why would any such DESIGNED SKILL be double edge sword? why would the victim be able to potentially see the attacker's own fear? esp ironically the fucking eye procedure itself, that gave such power lmfao. epic cringe

[@uapuat]

As I was watching that, I thought we were going to see the birth of the Litany Against Fear.

[@VesicantMorgues]

I was surprised you didn't mention Valia surviving the virus with the help of her sister. Tula guiding her to "allow the fear to pass through her" seems like the origin of the litany. I thought that was the coolest reveal anyway. So keen for season 2.

[@lyrilljackson]

give me a break. the whole fucking movie stuff is epic cringe. it was supposed to be a 10 hr tv from the start by a comic artist do u not know that?

[@Anthropomorphicrat]

fear is LITERALLY the mind killer lol

[@leo_is_not_available]

Hated that

[@GunninRebel55]

I don't think Desmond Hart was swallowed by the sandworm. I believe that memory was either input into his mind or he somehow equates the fear he went through during the procedure to the fear one has for coming face to face with the Shai-Hulud.

[@delbertbowers221]

We saw him getting eaten by a worm through the surveillance video. Emperor reviewed the video. It’d be a beautiful analogy if we didn’t have evidence of the event.

[@GunninRebel55]

@@delbertbowers221 Whomever is controlling the machine that performed the procedure on Desmond should have enough power to doctor a recording pretty easily. I stand by my belief that he in fact was not swallowed by the sandworm but instead, like I stated, has been led to believe he was, and the emporer believing this was part of the plan as well, hence the recording.

[@GunninRebel55]

@@delbertbowers221 Everyone believed Desmond's ability to burn a person from the inside out was connected to him being swallowed and ejected by the sandworm. This was rooted in the fact that the Shai-Hulud has some sort of furnace burning deep within. Come to find out, his power is actually a product of a machine implanting a device in his eye. The worm memory in his mind was necessary to trigger a deeply rooted inescapable fear in Desmond, which the virus feeds off of. The eye device then allows him to transfer that same virus onto another through their own fear. Even in the drawings the sisterhood created in their nightmare state, Tula & Sister Avila both believed it was the eye of Shai-Hulud staring at them, but that was a deliberate illusion and ended up being the lights from the machine. So again, the worm was only being used to fuel fear but never was a part of what happened to DH.

[@lyrilljackson]

@@delbertbowers221 can be forged

[@ttrestle]

@@GunninRebel55bingo

[@tanyaglover2217]

I'm old school Dune fan (read Dune after watching Lynch's movie), so I came to the series a little hesitant. Glad to have stuck around. Enjoyed the series & appreciate your commentary.

[@abbynaldoza298]

There was a scene where Tula and Valya says “Sisters above all.” instead of sisterhood. Relates to the fac that Valya was said to always be a Harkonnen.

[@lyrilljackson]

that's just valya gaslighting everyone since she has the og voice except oh wait raquella already had it. lmfao. epic cringe

[@flzrin]

@@lyrilljacksonexcept raquella never had the voice lmao, where did you get that from?

[@lol_vevo]

Why did Theodosia disguise herself as the princess? At first it seemed like she was gonna take her place, but then she transformed into a random guard just to stab Desmond. Also, why does Dorothea know about the dead bodies? She was dead at that point and no one in her line witnessed it (not to mention it makes no sense for her to remember her own death since she had passed down her DNA long before that)

[@richard1493]

The original plan was for Theo to disguise herself as Ynez, but when Ynez demanded that they take Kieran with them when she was rescued. It would not make sense for the Mother Superior to escape and take Kieran but not Ynez who is actually Theo, so Theo then decided to pose as the dying guard instead. I think it would have made more sense for Theo to leave with them than to have stead. It does not really make sense to me why she stayed, to be honest.

[@Cryosxify]

you could say the same with raquella, how does she know anything towards the end of her own life and choosing her successor. it's clearly not limited to when they gave birth and passed on the line, it's somehow still connected until the very end

[@TentaclePentacle]

@@Cryosxify That's not how the other memory works, it's not a ghost recall, it's memory passed through genes. The writers got it wrong.

[@qaztim11]

@@Cryosxify In Frank Herbert lore, you only have access to to other memory of your parents up to the moment you are born, writers fumbled the rules to make it take less time for her to piece it together,

[@Haterbek]

Because showrunners are dumb.

[@DeepeshMaan]

It breaks my heart that I have to wait for season 2! This season was lit!

[@NindoNas]

Absolutely loved this episode and season. They nailed the landing and I am super hype for season 2. It gives me the similar Dune-feel that the miniseries gave me, and it feels like it’s only going to get better.

[@rickbase833]

Really liked that it was ambiguous whether the eyes were either Leo II or AI until the end.

[@dustyblanco1546]

I really don’t think that was their intention. For multiple reasons. The eyes of Ibad don’t glow, and the bigger reason being that the eyes were always accompanied by a mechanical/robotic voice. Why would Paul, Leto, or any human sound like that? It’s even possible that they chose to include the robotic voice EVERY time to intentionally make it clear that it wasn’t Leto or Paul. Personally, never bought into the theory because of the sound. But it would’ve been cool if it was Leto, admittedly. Edit: Also, the recurring nightmare/vision was from the POV of Desmond. How would Desmond have seen Leto’s eyes? Unless he is prescient I guess, but everything else in the vision was what he literally saw. Awake, with his eyes open, without prescience.

[@ryankwon8785]

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

[@Battiewell]

Holy crap I never realized that till seeing your comment just now. I understand that valya ultimately completes her goal and shapes the sisterhood to eventually become the bene gesserit so that fits nicely as to why in the movies a bene gesserit sister is constantly repeating that phrase.

[@ryankwon8785]

@ Dorotea taking over Lila’s body might also be why the Bene Gesserit despise and execute abominations. Take in mind that the show takes place 10,000 years before Paul’s birth. A lot of progression took place. It’s why the show’s characters feel more human than the movie characters.

[@mimih23]

Quinn, I believe you were the only reviewer to really stick by the notion that the eyes were mechanical.

[@eds1942]

The Emperor’s long held fear was that he was thought of and will be remembered as weak. When everyone teamed up on him to say that he was just their pawn,.. the last straw was with Francesca. It wasn’t so much Voice, just everyone of importance in his life revealing their schemes with him one after another, underlining his fears that he was weak. It was too much for him to absorb and process in such a short time. He didn’t take the easy way out with the poison, since with Francesca, the pain would’ve been dang near physical, like someone stuck him with a knife. (The mind is weird like that) So he chose the dagger.

[@vanyadolly]

Yeah. Learning your entire life you've been used and ridiculed even by the people you thought loved you. It made sense to me.

[@chaseforliberty]

Yay for a Season 2. I hope we see more improvements.

[@SameerAli-qw1hn]

I am hopeful about season 2. Now that Valya herself is on Arrakis, the show's title "Dune Prophecy" makes sense. We will see how they implant prophecies in Fremen culture. I firmly believe "The Hidden Hand" is Bene Tleilaxu.

[@ewarrior9776]

It makes sense that that humans behind the machine are theTleilaxu. They hate, hate, hate women especially women in power. They are also religious fanatics who think they should rule the Imperium. Desmond is working towarfs both of these goals.

[@iruleandyoudont9]

love the show so far. Desmond is this kind of Rasputin character who survives a bunch of assassination attempts and manipulates the empress. I'm still hoping he's the Tleilaxu kwisatz haderach mentioned by Scytale in Dune Messiah. might not be but I think it would explain his abilities to resist the voice and also the emphasis on the word "see" when Valya uses truth-sense on him. he seems to be a methodical planner and have some kind of prescience and that hasn't been explained yet

[@DenizBVD-oy6zi]

If all Dorothea's followers are dead, how this Dorothea faction survive thru acolytes ? All of a sudden, a friend of theirs who supposed to be dead shows up claiming she is Dorothea, and they all decide to obey her when they know sisterhood is facing an enemy and nobody questions anything. How come Valya and Tula have 0 supporters after being in charge of the sisterhood for decades. That part of the plot was kinda weak.

[@TentaclePentacle]

not to mention how does dorothea/lila know where all the bodies are? She wasn't there when everyone was killed only one person survived and she never told anyone.

[@encyclopediaofelizabeth]

@DenizBVD-oy6zi Pretty sure that faction are less Dorothea's followers and more direct followers of the Orange Catholic Bible. The girl leading that faction keeps reading from what appears to be a Bible of some kind. As far as Valya and Tula not having more supporters, a lot of sisters were shown leaving out of fear and this is still early in the sisterhood founding and the level of control on sisters and acolytes wasn't as strict. The BG we see 10k years later would have shut all this down, we are seeing WHY they adopted a lot of their strategies here.

[@NeilsonBuntowa]

Valya's followers were grown adults already deployed into different sectors of the imperium. Dorothea's new followers are just these new handful acolytes currently in training.

[@Diogolindir]

As someone metioned before. I think the sisterhood have a tendency to attract OC bible fanatics (which is not intentional) and after Valya killed everyone there were no divisions. Her inner circle went to work on different planets and these new recruits are not well educated yet. I think this shows how the sisterhood is yet to learn how to stay away from religious dogma at personal level and also the importance of total control over the sisters. The policy of unquestionable loyalty. How did Dorothea knew about the bodies? Good question. My guess is that she saw that little vision of a drop of blood falling into the pond and reacted to that. Im not sure

[@lilyli2756]

@@TentaclePentacle Yeah it doesn't make sense at all for Lila to inherit memories of how Dorothea died and what happened afterwards

[@hezzybaby]

This episode was definitely a 10/10 for me. Shit was kicking off. I like that it ended on a bit of a cliffhanger like the 90s Star Trek series. I'm also hyped we're getting a season 2. I think the original plan to swap Theodosia and Ynez went out the window as soon as Ynez demanded Kieran be freed. Also, Valya mentioned a safe house on Arrakis when speaking with Mikaela so I thought they headed to Arrakis to lay low (I also hope we'll see Mikaela in season 2).

[@expatphotographer8745]

Great episode. The scene where Valia squares off with Desmond was brilliant, and beautifully shot.

[@flzrin]

I am so glad that they didn’t finish the season with a cliffhanger. the ending was just perfect.

[@jimmycantstop]

Feels like a part 1

[@LucasGonzalez-rj9bk]

16:08 I think their initial plan had been for Theodora to take the place of the princess, but when Inez insisted the Atreides Swordmaster go with them the plan changed. Probably because Theodora would have had to lie about him leaving without her which would not have been believable. At least that’s how I took it.

[@peterharothszabo9231]

I thought the exact same thing

[@walterclarke6996]

Me too

[@SirAanonym]

I figured she never had the opportunity to dress up like a soldier and jumped on the chance.

[@trehubb6144]

Honored to have witnessed the show with you👌🏿. Years ago watching your GoT vids I remember stumbling upon Dune which you obviously loved😅. Ultimately glad the show produced things you & other readers liked💯

[@cm42019]

I feel bad for the Emperor he seemed like a decent dude and didn't deserve to go out like that

[@ForeverBrooklynNYC]

He was too weak to have that much power but at least his final act was one of his own free will.

[@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262]

I have read Sisterhood of Dune and kind of understand that Corrinos haben always been power hungry despite being either strong or weak individuals. Actually Vorian Atreides said that he notice how frightened and jelous Faykan Buttler (later Corrino) was of him that is one of the reasons Vorian Atreides chose exile. All in all, Corrinos in general were always as rotten as the latter Harkonnen generations but always looking immaculate.

[@skullking5246]

​@ForeverBrooklynNYC nope, in the end he did what valya wanted him to do

[@kasvith]

@@ForeverBrooklynNYC nah valya knew it would happen

[@b1bbscraz3y]

I like how he proved Valya was correct calling him weak when all he did in response to being told he's nothing as the emperor, is just arrest her. imagine if he ordered her dead on the spot

[@IndrajithMadhumal]

I think the initial plan was to transform into Ynez. But Ynez insisted that Kieran to be freed. If Kieran is gone and not Ynez, that would raise more suspicion. So they had to improvise. That's what I thought of it anyway.

[@bshr1nk3yk1d]

Show clearly was a great excuse to explain a whole bunch of dune lore in preparation for the next movie and I assume they plan on having season 2 come out right before the movie to really explain abomination

[@lyrilljackson]

"explain" lmfao, they are not gonan keep to the same fucking lore system. do you live on mars where u didn't go through with all the mcu and dceu bullshit?

[@lyrilljackson]

abomination is just abnormal, even abohorrent monster, lmfao, enticing fear, u are new to englando aren't u

[@abynighteater5670]

Huh, I'm not sure really. Alia's abomination plot really kicks in with book 3, in book 2 she's not possessed by anybody, she simply has a really hard time forming her own ego because of how she's been swiming along with all these other personalities since birth, and she notably shares a particular bond with her mother of course, and sometimes conflict her feelings towards some people with hers - like how when she thinks of Leto, she can feel her mother's love for him instead. Plus it's really there to link in with Hayt/Duncan's shared conflicted personnalities. If anything, introducing stuff like face dancing before Messiah is a bit of a shame for non book readers who won't get to have to this new cool concept introduced in the movie - 'specially since in the show Theo really doesn't get to do much with it, while it's gonna be central to the plot of Messiah. Messiah overall introduces like, way way less stuff than book 1, so it's not like movie goers will be overwhelmed by new concepts methinks. Plus the first movies were already good at focusing on particular aspects instead of delivering the whole package as to not overwhelm viewers and get their message across loud and clear.

[@jcs200000]

Excellent episode. It wrapped up all the treads setup in the prior episodes and setup a great foundation for season 2.

[@RostamArchives]

All and all this series was much better than I expected! Especially since BHerbert vision isnt as pleasing to me as Frank (Especailly the way he handels butlerian jihad). 8/10 Also I just realized how much 40k took so much from dune. "Warp" "God emperor" "Navigators" "SpaceMarine Legions"... wh40k is basically a homage to dune and it makes me so happy. The diffrence is warhammer is RomanEmpire+Cthulu in space, while dune is completely Aetheistic. Thanks for the reviews Quinn, watched all of them and learned alot

[@IVG2814]

I was just reading the scene in Messiah where Hayt is given to Paul and Paul thinks about how the Tleilaxu give gholas metal eyes, so when i saw Desmond's eye pulled out the Tleiaxu was my first thought.

[@weatheranddarkness]

Theodosia was supposed to take the place of the princess in suspension. I think when the plan changed she had to do something different in order to give the others more time to escape. That's how I was reading it in the moment at least. Also, in the first moment I thought Valya was just going to remove Desmond's eye.

[@TheLifeSpot]

With Theodosia, the plan was never to take Keiran Atreides. The plan was a simple switch and a clean getaway. The princess spoiled that when insisted on taking Keiran. They had to improvise.

[@gclishe]

The reason theo disguises herself as Ynez is because doing so was part of the original plan, which did not involve the Atreides. But then the real Ynez refused to leave without him, so they had to change plans. Hence the transition into the guard.

[@logirex]

yes basically when the princess insisted on bringing the Atreides swordmaster along the deception was up. so she tries to delay them instead and does injure Desmond and likely delays his respone and the others gets away.

[@maciedixon3983]

Im wondering why she didn’t just go with them then instead of disguising herself as the guard?

[@TentaclePentacle]

no the original plan is dumb, valya was supposed to be up there in the cell with them so when she leaves with the real ynez is no one supposed to question why valya disappeared?

[@mikkojuhani7704]

@@TentaclePentacle maybe original plan was that Valya stays there with Theo, only Ynez escaping

[@chisomo8088]

​@@maciedixon3983I honestly think she had no place in their future plan. Her work was to be Ynez and divert suspicion only, as she told valya, she wanted to fulfill what she was brought to do. But after Ynez messed that up, she had no concrete purpose and just tried to delay the rest getting caught by stabbing desmond

[@harish-garg]

Valya's original plan was to only break out the Princess by Sister Theodosia taking her place. That changed when Princess insisted on taking Keiran with them. So Theodosia staying back as Princess would have not made much difference when the 2nd prisoner would have been missing. So she made a judgement call for taking the shape of guard knowing Desmond will show up and she will have a shot at killing him.

[@cward1701]

Then she should have just went with them. Theo gained them nothing. A total waste. "Well, Ynez changed the plan... " that's dumb. The writers made the plan.

[@Bionickpunk]

@@cward1701 A human error of misjudgment in that short moment, however I would agree that at that point there was no real reason to leave Theodosia behind, especially since her face dancer abilities could prove useful in the future.

[@somewhereupthere785]

Valya definitely wanted to make sure Javicco was going to die. I think there was no reason for her to continue as Ynez because the Atreides guy was going with them. Like, the plans just had to change.

[@70briareos]

I think when Theodosia turned into the guard that was her thinking on the fly, a "Plan B" if you will. Since the excrement already hit the ventilation unit there was no sense for her to assume Ynez's identity, so she assumed the identity of one of the wounded guards in the slim chance that she can get close to Desmond to take him out. It kinda worked, she should have went for his throat instead of his heart.

[@vanyadolly]

Yes, theres a few lines of Valya commenting on Theo deciding to stay after the first plan changed. I'm seriously wondering why that wound didn't affect him more, because she got him deep.

[@davefulton4488]

I always had a poison vibe from Hart's "power". And then also thought of the Omnius Scourge when it was revealed to be a virus. Edit: Theodosia was going to be Ynez in the original plan before Ynez decided they had to take Keiran along too. Then she had to improvise being the injured guard to buy Valya, Ynez and Keiran time to escape.

[@stephenm.5121]

Theodosia became Ynez because the original plan was that she would take her place in the prison. But all of that went out the window when Ynez refused to leave without Keiran. The original plan only worked if everything was seamless. An escaped Kieran would've triggered a castle-wide search, risking their capture. At this point, Valya and Theodosia wordlessly abandon the original plan and Theo decides to make the sacrifice play.

[@markj3169]

I feel like the sandworm was just an implanted memory by whomever is pulling the strings. Also Tula and Valya at the end was giving Star Wars family drama lol

[@markmassey7916]

The whole series was great. I cannot wait for more Dune whether it be movies or series.

[@canyas6318]

Arrakis is also where Constantine is stationed and I imagine given what Natalya did to Ynez, Valya can use both siblings to sow discord against the Empress. She will blame Natalya for the Emperor and Francesca's deaths.

[@raymondsoliz4306]

Valya is a gangsta as a Dune fan I love the series

[@andrewmiller8206]

Pretty good with two exceptions: 1. And you hit on this, the fancedancer’s involvement seemed like an afterthought; 2. Destroying the thinking machine with a crowbar seemed so silly and cheap.

[@andrewmiller8206]

3. Tulya finding Valya upon landing was way too convenient.

[@flzrin]

I haven’t read the books so idk if anything is mentioned about the machine, but I can bet that it isn’t destroyed. dorothea simply “unplugged” it.

[@dvsteve71]

Why is Princess Ynez and Valya on Dune.... because “He who controls the spice, controls the Universe”. I predict her brother will come with the fleet and hinder spice production to have Empress Natalya bend the knee.

[@hunter4hire]

She became the guard instead, because the plan changed as the Artroeites guy was rescued as well, so there was no need to be the princess. Valia probably thought of plan b, which was to kill Desmond, and the tleilaxu sister knew it.

[@awesomehpt8938]

I just realised something. Desmond’s surname Hart is a combination of the H from Harkonnen and the first three letters of Atreides Atr switched to Art. H + art = Hart

[@ForeverBrooklynNYC]

hmm

[@AmanCreatesArt]

Or just the first three letter of HARkonnen... and a T.

[@nancyjay790]

​@@AmanCreatesArt Desmond is both Harkonnen and Atreides, similar to a certain dude who became the Kwitzatch (so?) Haderach.

[@TentaclePentacle]

There is no way Desmond would know he is a harkonnen or he is the son of a Bene Gesserit

[@encyclopediaofelizabeth]

​@@TentaclePentacleDidn't he say his mother was BG and have a bit of cloth from a BG cloak?

[@bostonmetalclips]

I think Theo breaks from Valya’s plan because she either wants the princess to be found or killing Desmond wasn’t in the plan and she took the initiative 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@richard1493]

I thought it was odd that Theo did not escape with them. Since they took Kieran, it would not have made sense if Theo was there posing as Ynez, so why leave Theo? It makes sense that Theo shaped as the dying guard instead, but why lose such a powerful ally in such a way?

[@maciedixon3983]

This such a bad plot thread. If they had just taken her it makes way more sense

[@ruzaroos]

Great show and great episode reviews. I can't separate the two experiences, so well done to Quinn for enriching the effort of the creatives for those of us not fluent in Dune lore.

[@theronin9984]

Like you, I have many thoughts about this series and on this particular episode. But I couldn't help but think of how cool and ironic it was to see a Corrino (nee-Butler), a Harkonnon and an Atreides step onto Arrakis together, for the first (and ostensibly the only-save for an unwritten scene in the BJ) time!!👀🤯🤣👍🏾👍🏾

[@bluet.]

Oh, right! I just realized that. The three of them are really from those 3 houses

[@flzrin]

literally my thoughts😭 I giggled when seeing it. the writers and producers of the show really outdid themselves and proved once again that HBO got the best shows out there.

[@danniellewheeler4363]

With the exception of Duncan Idaho…no Ghola was ever that powerful and it took them going through countless gholas of Duncan to get to THAT Duncan. Desmond is way before that level of ghola success

[@friedkeenan]

The thing with Theodosia was supposed to be that they put her up in the suspensor prison with Kieran so that everyone would think Ynez is still there and it's just that Valya escaped, but then when Ynez won't leave without Kieran it bungles that plan because that'll make it very obvious that something's going on. They still could've maybe put Theodosia up there anyways and pretended Kieran and Valya left her behind, but idk it seems like a fair enough call to me to try to go for the kill on Desmond

[@stevedenny3026]

I thought it was an obvious oversight for the guards not to be prepared for the voice. Desmond had experienced it before. Some form of hearing protection should have been easily available,, and would counter the otherwise OP ability.

[@Emanon...]

Fear is like Chipotle: Don't fight it, you'll only make it stronger. "Let it pass through you"

[@SilverScale.]

Love your reviews and the chats with Alt Shift X & Co -- it was a little uneven but overall a good show, a nice surprise to the end of the year! Looking forward to next season!

[@HyperCubist]

Good finale. I'm still bothered by the non-origin of the Voice. It has such power to shape events, but instead of it being developed over thousands of years, someone (who's not even a sister yet) just discovers she has it??

[@Quaaludio]

in a deleted scene they showed that she ordered it off of amazon

[@lyrilljackson]

@@Quaaludio lol

[@flzrin]

I think that the voice is more of a spiritual thing that doesn’t need to be tested or evolved, and well in the movies it’s clear with Paul Atreides.

[@craigwhitley1529]

Like you I always thought it was machines, and then on a secondary point I have a feeling the computer is not that easy to destroy with one whack of a crowbar, but perhaps the interface was destroyed...

[@rajatbhandari6454]

Your thing about the acolyte being ynez first but later just became a guard, confusing the primary thing is because originally valya wanted her to replace Ynez in the suspensor cell but when Ynez says she wants the Atreides to go as well, that would look as if valya only took atreides but not Ynez (If the acolyte just stayed as Ynez), leading to suspicion in the Imperius about why she would just take atreides and not Ynez as well. Hence, Valya then said i wont be able to save you hinting the changing to guard hoping the stab might kill Desmond or just buy her some time.

[@f33fifofum]

After an uneven first season, it really redeemed itself in that final episode. Feels like the series has really found its footing now.

[@demonbox7780]

This is how you do flashbacks, intertwined within the narrative of longer episodes, rather than dedicating full episodes just to that. I too enjoyed this episode quite a lot and also completely agree on the commentary on the part about turning Theodosia into Ynez and instead ending up as the guard, the only explanation I can find is that Valya didn't expect to be forced and free also the Atreides and that changed her plan?

[@zackswanson7188]

The facedancer acolyte plan got changed. She was going to be Inez in a plan that got scrapped. There are moments where valya asks the acolyte if she is sure she wants to go forward with the plan b. That's when the soldier plan happens.

[@kam_iko]

15:45 the plan was to substitute her for the real ynez in the prison, however after ynez insisted on freeing the swordmaster too, that plan didn’t make sense anymore.

[@forlornfuture2630]

We're taking it for granted that Desmond's memory of the worm devouring him is 100% accurate and genuine. What if that may not necessarily be the case? Even if Valya is seeing it as his memory, could it not be possible as an implanted/false memory if Desmond is unaware of it. In a prior episode, if I'm not mistaken, the worm ate him at night, but in this episode, it happened during the day, so I think it might be unreliable as a measure of what really happened to him.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

There is the recording of him being swallowed by the worm that the emperor watches in ep 1

[@forlornfuture2630]

​@@ComradeCommissarYuriFair point, but if this episodes serves to prove that Desmond was tampered with, could it not stand to reason that other things could be tampered with, such as surveillance footage? Just playing devil's advocate.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

@@forlornfuture2630 yeah probably but that looks like it’s from the Emperor’s private archives of what happens on arrakis

[@anotherdedchannel]

The whole problem is the video of him being eaten. It's not just a memory we saw it on security cameras. The odd part is, anyone who gets the virus sees the same thing and you only survive if you let the fear pass over you without fighting back.

[@TrulyToasty]

The VFX on the Guild Heighliner folding space in the finale was incredible. Best depiction of it yet.

[@Matt-tq9nd]

The best thing from this show was discovering your channel. Thank you for all the analysis and content you've worked on to help explain the Dune Universe. It has been very insightful and enjoyable.

[@happyredpanda]

Re Theodosia. I think the original plan was to have Theodosia pose as Ynez so that no one knows she has escaped, but then when Ynez insists that Kieran come along with them, that plan goes down the drain, because it would not make sense if it is found out that Valya has escaped taking Kieran with her but not Ynez. So Theodosia poses as a guard instead and aims to kill Desmond Hart.

[@allenhowell5420]

Interesting how Valya has apparently dropped her revenge towards the Atriedes and helps Keiran escape with Ynez when she could have compelled him to murder himself. But the scene where Desmond's eye was pulled out, turned around to look back at him, and then re-inserted was comically bad.

[@vanyadolly]

Ynez is the priority. She needs Ynez compliant, and now she got a free bodyguard too. Besides, she already avenged her brother and Kieran wasn't even alive when Griffin died.

[@cbmetal]

this serie was like reading a dune book by Brian Herbert, but in a tv series. It's structured the same way than in the books. That's why anyone who likes the books will enjoy the serie. The hand of Brian Herbert is very obvious here. I like your content very much. Congratulations

[@BulletTooth504]

1:11 Mark Strong's expression in this shot perfectly sums up my opinion of the show and the news that it's getting a second season.

[@hadeees]

There is no way they made this not knowing they would get a second season

[@ForeverBrooklynNYC]

Happens ALL the time. Unless it is a "limited series", you don't wrap up every storyline and usually leave cliffhangers.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Its HBO bro, Raised by wolves?

[@Bionickpunk]

@@ANTIStraussian Yeah, they gutted that series in its prime.

[@ANTIStraussian]

@Bionickpunk 20 seasons of aliens aliens only 2 seasons of Counterpart my fav sciif show, not fair

[@NeroPiroman]

i think she decided not to turn into the princes because the plan got altered and they relesed the swordmaster from prison as well, which originaly wasnt suposed to happen

[@tungolcraeftiga]

If they are following the Schools trilogy path, maybe next season we’ll see more of the early Mentats or more of the early Guild. Both were mentioned this season, but I feel like they sprinkled on more tantalizing stuff about the Guild, so maybe that’s next. Might also match better with having more action on Arakkis.

[@clairealderwood1928]

I enjoyed it. Please no nerd cookies, she is one note.

[@TealWolf26]

Interesting origin of the fear mantra. My prediction is that Valya is going to blame Vorian but it's actually the titan twins. I don't know why specifically the Ixians or Tleilaxu would have beef with the Sisterhood at this time, not without a greater hand behind them.

[@Cryosxify]

we got future prediction tech with anirul, I'm guessing the machines got more of the good stuff and other factions are using it and have decided sisterhood is a problem

[@christopherdavis6918]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention The Litany Against Fear cause it seems that’s exactly what they’re aiming for with this show. Interesting enough, fear/anxiety weakens the body and shuts down the minds ability to create and perpetuate itself.

[@sxztube]

I think the show is fun but there are some real writing issues that I hope get fleshed out better in Season 2. As you pointed out the Theodocia scene was quite odd. The “please loosen my restraints” scene was an awful way to push the story forward, I would have rather Lyla just break her own hands instead. Some of the characters make needlessly stupid decisions to push plot forward that breaks the verisimilitude.

[@concrete_dog]

I love how that acolyte girl decided to dislocate BOTH of her thumbs to get free from the restraints, when she could've just dislocated one hand to free it and then use that hand to free the other. But it looked cool I guess. :')

[@lizardprotozoa]

Well the reason why Theo became a guard was because Ynez changed Valya’s plans by insisting on taking the Atreides with them. If they had left him behind, Theo would’ve stayed as Ynez.

[@moshimoshiumeboshi]

The silhouette looking over Desmond in the flashback looks like a Sister. Lila's mother?

[@DenizBVD-oy6zi]

Maybe she is organizing Dorothea faction inside the sisterhood from the shadows.

[@lyrilljackson]

she doesn't know about the children lmfao else why would she be surprised, why not leave for the capital right as soon as she receive that shit from valya. besides she told valya who he is anyways.

[@lyrilljackson]

how would she know valya wouldn't be able to see clearly

[@moshimoshiumeboshi]

@@lyrilljackson I don't think them seeing Desmond's fear flashback was the exact point of the weapon, so there was no reason to expect she'd be seen. Also, this is just my guess-I honestly don't have much of a stake in it being right.

[@vanyadolly]

Could be! One of the few missing links who have still been (figuratively) named on the show

[@theanc316ientone]

Thats why he was always grabbing his right eye when it happened. Also, I'm pretty sure is Anakin Skywalker dressed in the robe who is the mystery person by the looks of it, he must have just finished up on mustafar...lol

[@SuperSagittaria]

I took the original plan with Theodosia was for her to be swapped with the real Ynez and leave Theodosia as Ynez in the suspensor prison (so no one in the palace knows that Mother Superior escaped with Ynez). Real Ynez ruins that plan because she insists that she will only leave if ciaran atreides leaves with her. Mother Superior improvises / Theodosia volunteers to remain behind to kill Desmond / other imperial forces to distract them from pursuing Mother Superior

[@mashka1572]

I found Kieran Atredies rather underwhelming as a character, but now he stuck on Arrakis with Ynez and the Harkonen, god I'm ready for them in s2. Like he said "never trust the Harkonen", and now he's with one and has to protect Ynez, whom he loves. If they do it right, it will be an interesting character-driven subplot.

[@vanyadolly]

I really hope they develop his character better in s2 because he's the weakest of the bunch by far. But I have hight hopes since they did such a good job with the others.

[@OneRedKraken]

I love the Litany Against Fear, and it seemed that Tula was saying the essence of it when she was talking to Valya when Desmond was attacking her. Not sure if that's cannon, but I personally enjoyed that bit. :)

[@STS-qi1qy]

Pretending to be the guard was the backup plan. She was supposed to replace Ynez but Ynez demanding they take Keiran broke that plan. She knew they wouldn't buy that Mother Superior broke out an Atreides and *not* Ynez so the fact it would be 'Ynez' alone in the cell wouldn't work. Plans within plans as you say.

[@BilletMignon]

16:12 Mayybe we’re supposed to infer that when the prisoner-swap plan fell apart she decided to suddenly take a jab? But yeah there were a few sudden whiplash moments in the s1 finale. Still interested to see what they do with season 2. Hopefully more than 6 episodes (without filler of course)! Looking forward to your extended discussion stream later on this week, thanks for covering the show with all the details you bring to us.

[@ryankwon8785]

One thing you kind of missed in the series is Constantine himself. Constantine’s name appears to be an allegory to the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great, a pivotal figure in the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion. Similarly, Prince Constantine in the series might serve as a catalyst for the Bene Gesserit’s eventual assimilation into the Imperium’s political and cultural framework, potentially under the influence of the Harkonnen sisters or Ynez. Regarding Theodosia, what would you do when you see a guard revealed to be a shapeshifting Bene Gesserit sister? You would be paranoid about everyone and everything around you. Like the Mad King Aerys with his own council and advisors. Valya planted a seed of paranoia in Hart and it will only get worse since Tula is arrested. Plans within plans. Even plans came sprout on their own without the planner's notice.

[@Fearizthemindkiller]

You are the best at understanding hats happening! You have all my respect.

[@Fearizthemindkiller]

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[@krucible9369]

The set designs for this show were incredible. Anytime they showed a long distance shot of a planet or the palace looked amazing. It does so much for getting immersed in

[@brandonmcclellan963]

So glad my buddy showed me your KZbin channel. So pumped for S2

[@MKLettis]

SEASON TWO, LET'S GOOO!!!

[@Emanon...]

Absolutely stunning visuals! Among the best I've ever seen in a show.

[@JustanotherDude0114]

Quinn I thought I noticed some HUGE foreshadowing, Valyia mentioned another unseen player on the board and they cut the the HUGE Guild ship. I think they are saying the Guild is behind this. Maybe they are the real brains behind the Ixian's plot or manipulation of Dessmond

[@ewarrior9776]

The Guild hasn't been mentioned all season. The Tlelaxu and Ixans have been. I am betting on one or both of those two.

[@diegohernandez6192]

@@ewarrior9776 The guild did get mentioned this season.

[@juliejeavons6949]

The original plan was that Theodoric would take Ynez’s place in the cell, but taking Kieran and the alarm being raised earlier than expected forces a change of plan. That’s why Theodosia takes on the appearance of a guard.

[@doloresabernathy9809]

it was cool how they tied the Litany Against Fear to protection against the mind virus. Obviously it has universal application and didn’t need an origin story, but they wove it in well.