The Educational Chaos and the Role of the SNC | Elaine Alam, Zeeba Hashmi, Waqas Khan & Dr. Hoodbhoy

In this session, the panelists will explore whether there really was a will to secure a future at par with global educational standards for Pakistan’s children vis-à-vis Single National Curriculum (SNC).
Panelists:
✓ Elaine Alam (International Development Expert)
✓ Zeeba Hashmi (founder: Ibtidah for Education)
✓ Waqas Khan (Lecturer at Quaid-e-Azam University, Writer, Philanthropist)
Moderator:
✓ Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy
#Pakistan #Education

[@greenweed3253]

All Pakistani Intellectual discussions starts on the topic but ends with Islam

[@aditya93784]

True bro. Nothing can change their mindset

[@nikhildeshmukh6221]

Yes, sadly same is happening in India these days , but atleast it's not intellectuals but illiterates demanding.....if it continues even intellectuals will also start demanding

[@rudrakshachandrashukla3454]

First of all what do you mean by "hindutva is squashing minorities" . Secondly, I studied in Acharyakulam which is a school which teaches CBSE ( Central Board for Secondary Education) board course and Sanskrit, Shastra and Ved. And we had a average score of 90% in grade 10 boards examination. The thing is my school didn't tried to align education with religion but rather religion with education while it seems that its the other way around in Pakistan. Thirdly we have both Central and State boards in India.

[@rana-qc8qt]

Bhai main teacher hun aur meri ek muslim student hai jo bachpan se TV dekh rhi thi par all of sudden unka TV band krva dia ek maulvi ne. I was shocked k 21st century mein bhi log aisi soch rkh rhe hain, vo india jaisi country mein. To aap inko kuch bhi logic doge to ye nhi smjhenege kyunki aap "HINDU" HAIN, and this is enough to reject your point

[@GG-ur4km]

Don't argue an argument with Muslim. 😂 Especially Pakistani 🙏

[@ankit30572]

Afterall they are Mullahs🤣 the word can be changed but their mindset shall remain the same.

[@fakeneyoo224]

@@urrasscal8380 nehru chicha nai or Gandhi nai hona Diya nehru liyaqat pact.

[@fakeneyoo224]

@@urrasscal8380 kis nai choose Kiya nehru was appointed by queen 2sep 1946 . AAP SOCHO KABI KOI KINGDOM JITNA KI BAD VI AAPNA BANDA RAKHA JATA HI .

[@rakeshbarman3486]

muslims in India are not backward because of systemic discrimination in constitution or policies like in Pakistan, in India hindu laws are reformed, but Muslims has its own clergy muslim personal law board , secularism in India is only for Muslims, Muslims in India are backward in their mindset , in India we literally have quotas for them , our welfare policies are availed by more Muslims than hindus , dr sahab loosely takes hindutva without understanding epistemology and history of that , it's hindu resistance towards islamist rigid attitude , it's is reactionary, and is based upon equality ,we in ifnai want uniform civil code but muslim are against it , we wanted triple talaq banned but Muslims wanted triple talaq , so do so you not see who has backward mindset ,

[@dollartreeshark6786]

We should remove school uniform so Hindu girls and boys can wear religious attire.

[@shekhahmad2160]

What quota ? There is no reservation for muslim in any govt job, What is your opinion on article 341 ? Why government discontinue the manf ? Sacchar committee report (2006) shows that muslim is almost absent in every govt job like dalit at time of independent then why govt not give reservation to muslims like dalit, govt decrease more than 50 percent budget on minority ministry. As an indian muslim i feel govt systematically marginalised minorities specially muslims and christians.

[@rakeshbarman3486]

@@shekhahmad2160 go to jamia and aligarh you have minority quotas of certain numbers for Muslim only student wtf r u even talking about , most of minority committe funds goes to scholarship of Muslims and madrasa salaries , goverment has reduced it for sure cuz it is not showing any on ground results, muslim have backward mindset , they never support progressive laws like uniform civil code , till to this date in a so called secular country like India we have special muslim personal law board for Muslims, no Muslims talks about it cuz it benefits them, muslim personal board and WAQF board is bright example of one sided appeasement, all masjid church are free from government control but hindu temples are fully controlled by government,

[@dollartreeshark6786]

@@rakeshbarman3486 There is also 5% quota in Andhra Pradesh. Quota is there but pasmanda Muslims are saying the Ashraf mostly of foreign ancestry are gobbling up and not letting it trickle down to native converted Muslims.

[@ajlanahamed7229]

@@rakeshbarman3486 im an indian.. there is no madrassa salary from government other than in rss propaganda

[@tqm790]

If we mix science with religion... Then we might have newton describing F=m(halal mass) * a (momin acceleration)

[@nowie4007]

🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂

[@deepakagarwala3664]

😂😂😂

[@divyavichar]

Pakistanis love to believe that Muslims are being 'oppressed' in India. Truth is, they have special privileges when it comes to managing their places of worships and educational institutions. Waqf board is one of the top 3 land-owner entities. Muslims have special scholarships. They have a special place in the Hindi/Urdu film industry. You could at least have checked with Kamlesh Tiwari or Kanhaiya Lal. Oh, but they are dead.

[@tqm790]

Seems in Pakistan non Muslim and Ahmedi is gali...

[@nasirfazal2787]

Looks like Hoodbhoy has started a Pakistani Think Tank,bravo.

[@nasirfazal2787]

@@manadya , You are one those negative naybob naysayers. Black hole just started a few months ago,let us what happened in2to 3 years.

[@JazamShaheem]

Watch full video.. just a propoganda to remove Islam. You should know Quran is the only book. Which is the reason of Muslims success in every era. Quran says no one can be reach your level in every field if you follow me. Islamic education is the modern education.

[@JazamShaheem]

Kabi Sahi sa follow kia nahi...din ko kafir Raat ko Musliman hota log.

[@nasirfazal2787]

@@JazamShaheem I followed Maudidi and partly Hafiz Quraan, we don't live in 7th century,to kuzaba,to rub a kuma.

[@nasirfazal2787]

@@JazamShaheem Kuma. Go to blackmore meetings and express your disagreement instead of hiding behind the internet.

[@hadda2002]

Really enjoyed. I myself have to move my kids back to USA because of severe issues with SNC after staying in Pakistan because of family reasons.

[@arifsaleem5467]

@@urrasscal8380 ur rasscal

[@arifsaleem5467]

@@urrasscal8380 It would be much better and easier to start with India, where there are 220 million jihadis available.

[@arifsaleem5467]

@@urrasscal8380 The climate of the subcontinent is temperate, and the experiment of partition in 47 was also successful, so it is better to have three new Muslim states in India. Experiments will then be carried out in Europe and America as per your instructions. Happy?

[@PRAKASHKUMAR-pl6gj]

Pakistani always discuss and criticise Hinduism and India with zero knowledge of it. With zero knowledge on a topic to discuss it is the hallmark of islaam and pakistan.

[@dollartreeshark6786]

They have to always show Hinduism in poor light. They are trained like that from childhood.

[@indiarocks5731]

Why do they discuss India when they have zero knowledge about it.

[@navmeshsingh]

Discussing India doesn't cost any money it's free of cost 😂😂

[@nilkamalbarman2077]

It pulls Indian viwer to fetch some money

[@ajsd31]

Because they inherently regret having converted to Islam and then further having partitioned. So, they are always talking and looking up to their original roots of Hinduism, Bharat, India

[@IndiaHereNow]

Bhai ye khujli hi aisi hai.. inko Zara Sharm nahi aati Jo Pakistan mein hota hai aur jo bharat m hota hai usko compare karne mein..

[@mrl9vinay]

It is their favorite pass time.

[@arya.bharat]

Kam se kam pakistan mei baat kerne ki shuruaat toh hui....thank God 🙏

[@indiarocks5731]

Yeah dubega Tabhi sudharega

[@csheru]

Lagta hai aapne inko bahut kam suna hai....yeh jo the aur hain , yeh wahi rahenge , matlab Jihadist/Islamist halala mutah misyar polygamy apostasy seggregation ghazwa e hind products

[@pappu33]

You cannot remain Muslim(or other religion) once you start thing critically/rationally.

[@SP-oc7dm]

The problem is islam. Islam chodo, Insan bano.

[@Tug748]

Prof Hoodbhoy is illinformed about India. He don't know ABCD of Indian system. Always hits on hindu and India to please people around him.

[@indiarocks5731]

He is not ill-informed, he do this deliberately not to be label as raw agent and also he is left Athiest, so he can't praise an right wing party.

[@indiarocks5731]

@@urrasscal8380 they not same because atheistism is haram in islam..both are evil ideology ...just to fight against india they collaborate with each other.

[@surinderchugh]

अन्दर से ये भी इमरान खान ही है।

[@secularbalochrationalist]

Dr parvez hoodbhoy absolutely 💯 you are right

[@shanijawakhaniwaja6648]

These r the top intellectuals of Pakistan

[@youtubestudies4173]

But much below than world standards

[@csheru]

These are polished jihadist and Islamist halala mutah misyar apostasy polygamy seggregation products .

[@Madhav513]

Educated xi हादी xiजियांग banne vala भिकारिस्तान कुछ दिनों में

[@rakeshbarman3486]

irony is sir you guys talk on muslims of india rather than you minorities, I have not seen any hindu intellectual in this black hole show to present his community condition , not even 1 hindu really , you call yourself liberal secular what not , we in India have so many influential minorities from every minorities group, can a hindu raise their voice in Pakistan, I don't think so ,your constitution itself is islamic in nature , a non Muslim can't become PM or cheif in Pakistan constitutionally , thats called real institutional discrimination

[@Midnight_rider993]

They have already finished their minority including ahmedia totally finish 😏

[@HOG1070]

Rightly said bro, they are more worried about Indian Muslims, than Pakistani Hindus, Sikhs, Christians...

[@KrishanVermaJi]

As per Islam only one Asmani Kitab, that's the reason sab kuch sirf Ek hi hona chahiye. They are doing just as per their Asmani Kitab asked them to do. Riayasat-E-Madina....

[@navmeshsingh]

1:37:13 1st row right corner mein baithi lady shuru se so Rahi hai 😂 Gazab 😂 Lady bhi so Rahi hai aur mulk bhi so Raha hai 😂

[@narharisingh192]

Ha ha ha . You are right.😅

[@hamidzaidi6203]

ڈاکڈر صاحب اسلام علیکم بھت اچھا کام کر رہے ہیں

[@somnathde8680]

Sir, this platform doing great work for the welfare of any country in the subcontinent.

[@nasirfazal2787]

What is the object of education in Pakistan? To be a modern society,as good as any western country. For that you have to emulate western education,with the flavour of local culture . Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist.

[@WhoOneIs]

STEM subjects need to follow a national curriculum. It makes no sense to impose a prescriptive curriculum in the humanities. In Pakistan the problems in the education system are rooted in the failure of the nation-building project. Fundamental constitutional questions about the nature of the Pakistani state have not been settled. Should it be a secular state made up of federated regions or an Islamic republic? The Government probably feels that a single national curriculum will function as a glue to hold the country together without looking at deeper questions of land reform, social justice, democracy, rights of minorities and the uneven development of different regions of Pakistan.

[@RavindraKamath55]

However educated a Pakistani whether madrassa chchap or so called elite institutions whether in that country or well known universities from western countries, they enjoy all advantages of secularism and even complain about discrimination and want to follow their religion including Sharia as right of minorities. But inside they are. Indoctrinated to think their religion is the only true religion and their prophet is the greatest being. For them any other religion however advanced than their religion, is termed as wrong and it is attack on Muslims..as if Hindus have no right to be proud of their religion which was much developed and humane... subcontinent was rich and ultimate goal of deprived barbaric tribes...which destroyed great universities of Takshashila and Nalanda where libraries were burning for months as for Muslims they needed only one book and other idea is to annihilated...

[@narender13in]

2000-2500yrs old education in Islam? 🤣😂😅

[@ambarishupadhyay921]

Such a lovely nation of Pakistan 😂😅😂😅

[@ambarishupadhyay921]

@@urrasscal8380 yep, as I said, such a lovely nation of Pakistan 😂 Peaceful, enlightened, prosperous 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@Midnight_rider993]

@@urrasscal8380 chuslman 🐖🇵🇰🐷 live in porkistan 🐷🇵🇰🐖

[@navmeshsingh]

@@urrasscal8380 looking at your reply you need educate yourself with basic English and Urdu knowledge 😂😂

[@armankhan-wn6mn]

اصل میں پڑھنا ھوتا کیسا ھے ۔ دیکھو سلیبس تو بن گئ ۔لیکن مسلہ یہ ھے کہ پڑھے کیسے ؟ اور کیسے اس رٹہ سسٹم سے جان نکالے ؟؟ تو بلیک ہول سے گزارش ھے کہ اس کے اوپر لازمی سیشن رکھے ۔

[@WhoOneIs]

In the UK educational curriculums are devolved to the countries that make up the UK. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland have their national curriculums and exam boards that set their basic minimum standards of education and assessment. There is no centrally imposed national curriculum from the central government.

[@aditya93784]

I come to this channel just to see how much trouble pakistanis are facing in pakistan and to know about their frustrations on their own country 🤣🤣🤣

[@SarojEkka-zc3nq]

I don't know if they realize root cause of all this coming from religion. Islam & modern education is mutually exclusive

[@saeedr7863]

ہر صوبے کا اپنا اور ایک نصاب ہونا چاہیے۔

[@RakeshSharma-tz1wi]

When a society let religion play a role in such a heavy way in their lives, then these kind of confusing issues will remain. The solution is simple: Religion should is a personal issue and each family/segment of community should handle it personally. As far as school curriculum is concerned, religion should be kept out. BY extension it also implies that throughout life, religion should be kept personal and mainly be confined to the respective homes.

[@arifsaleem5467]

Religion is a powerful political tool, and if it is limited to individuals, it defeats the purpose of its existence.

[@parjanyashukla176]

​@@arifsaleem5467 That's not the real reason. The real reason is that the West (US and UK) fears that without injecting Islam into Pakistani curriculum, Pakistan might disintegrate and therefore remain no longer useful for exploitation. Your expat Pakistanis have also now allied with the gora firangis.

[@HOG1070]

Does anyone of these guys or their institutions have any correspondence in India, on ground? or is just Media reading and forming your opinions on the same?

[@ajaxjaiswal3442]

Dude Indian education is not so good tbh, even though it's better than Pakistani education system but at international level India's education system might be as bad as any third world African country barring some quality islands of education like IITs, IIMs etc. But India's primary education is atrocious! Even worse than SEA countries.

[@cx4vr1dh4j]

# Actually, Pakistan is full of Oxford graduated Imran Khan- Bilawal type professors , doctors, and scientists with jihadi mindset ( extreme in Ex Gen MUSHARRAF) that works 24 hrs against India.. REASON:: ##It is seen that whenever Pakistani Muslim living in their own ISLAMIC Republic, could NOT show educational progress..they point figures towards Indian system for the failure of Indian mushlim. >>>GREAT> When anybody points one finger to others , the other 4 fingers automatically point towards him or her. ## BETTER SUGGESTED TO INVITE AN INDIAN MUSLIM PROFESSOR IN THIS FORUM.

[@Irene-m9n8b]

Sirs and Madams, madarsa education is essentially made up of 3 components namely; Arabic language, the holy prophet,and the holy book of Arab peninsula. Modern education is entirely something else. One can see this anomaly!

[@sajjadkhan8406]

Thanks for talking on our different streams of education in such a comprehensive way. Grateful for having Dr.Pervez & his enlightening contribution to our society & humanity at large. And indeed, to everyone who is participating in this. 🙏🏻

[@NiazHJafri]

Prayers, love, & best wishes for The Black Hole/Dr. Parvez Hoodhbhoy/the founders of this channel. 💛🧡❤️ More & more power to all of you !!! ☝️👍👊👊🤜🤜

[@anuragshekhar2341]

T6RRrTrrR

[@anuragshekhar2341]

d6RRRRDD$TydDD

[@anuragshekhar2341]

A777y7at ets#

[@armankhan-wn6mn]

بلیک ہول کو سلام ۔۔ گزارش یہ ھے کہ ایک سیشن ماہر تعلیم اور اس میدان سے ماہر کو اور ڈاکڑ صاحب خود موضوع رٹہ سسٹم رکھے تاکہ ھم یہ سمج سکے کہ پڑھے تو کیسے پڑھے

[@ibratnak]

Single National Curriculum prefers equality over equity. The purpose of education for rich and poor is inherently different. Poor children want to acquire financially lucrative skills in the least possible time. Rich children, on the other hand, can afford to study non-economic subjects such as Islamiyat, Pakistan Studies and Urdu. SNC is a luxury when graver problems like out-of-school children plague us.

[@qazwsx25321]

Leave religious mentality and old bloodied Mughal empire

[@nowie4007]

Bro I agree, I am sick of this obsession with religious extremism in Pakistan

[@mohitjain823]

Dr Hoodbhoy best wishes from India

[@saeedr7863]

سب صوبوں پر ایک نصاب تھوپنا بالکل غلط۔ لیکن طبقاتی تعلیم ختم کرنا بہت ضروری ہے۔ ہر صوبے کا ایک نصاب ہونا چاہیے۔

[@alkabajaj5798]

Which movie please let me name

[@saeedr7863]

ہمارے ہاں پروفیشنلز کی اتنی کمی ہے کہ اس پینل میں بھی شائد ہی کوئی ہو جس کا تعلق سکول سے ہو۔ ہود بھائی صاحب کی تعلیم اور تجربہ بھی سکول کا نہیں۔ ان کی ڈگری ایجوکیشن میں نہیں اور نہ انہوں نے کبھی سکول میں پڑھایا ۔

[@saiyan1691]

jahil will remain jahil saying hindu pressing muslim in india

[@AquaticEpics]

50:46 she talks about respect of animals😂😂😂 paying respect with biryani and kabab

[@saado..]

After long time i see group of people sitting quite and listening eachother.

[@ajitsuttatti]

When Dr Hoodbhoy mentioned about no Pakistani participating in Okympiads but did not mention about Indians not only participating in Olympiads but also winning them. He seems to be biased in a negative way about what India is and how capable Indians are. A big letdown as a professor. He is in abject denial about where and why Pakistan is and where and why India is.

[@rahulkapur687]

This atmosphere of exclusion and teaching hate to children will destroy Pakistan, in fact the destruction is already visible everywhere! We're not perfect, but learning from us in India could be very useful for you! 🇮🇳

[@SushilKumar-sm1dh]

Es chanl ko india me dekha jata hai. Pakistan me nahi Ises pata chalta hai ki pakistani apne aap ko badlna nahi chahete

[@PR-pu7pv]

May be Watching numbers from pakistan low, Hope it will be improved

[@akshatawana1161]

47:53 does Mr hoodbhoy know that there are 28 states in india with majority of them being govern by secular parties.

[@saiyan1691]

paki will remain jahil

[@AbhishekChauhan-hc8od]

If theses are the public liberal intellectuals of Pakistan then i cud only imagine what their avg folks will be. before atta, petrol, electricity if anything pakistan need is education emergency.

[@aditya93784]

Muslims understand only one thing i.e Islam and Islamic brotherhood and nothing else.

[@amjadiqbal4459]

ISLAM IS A PROFESSION ....LIKE ALL OTHER PROFESSIONS......BASIC EDUCATION LEADS OR EDUCATE TO DECIIDE YOUR SON TO CHOOSE THE PROFESSION.

[@rebasingh258]

Pakistan will improve only if it gives up Islam.

[@avinashhindu8754]

Once a Muslims always a Muslims 🙄

[@gerontoindia]

Every state in India follows State board of education and Central board education.Children are free to join any course. Generally the syllabuses are by and large similar.

[@HGB987]

It is difficult to understand what Ellian is trying to convey… she keep throwing even when she was asked for her opinion on different methods Europe, America and India implements in their education system..

[@krishn_gopal3222]

Love to see i m from India

[@gauravchuphal1755]

Plzz add time lapse

[@quddusquddus136]

"Inclusivity." "Diversity." Abstract words get in the way. They are imported words. These words were not around when America launched SAT (Scholastic Aptitude Test) to make a distinction between the academically gifted and the average. On average, a fifth-grader doesn't know how to writer his own name on the blackboard. Leave out the "her." The real question ought to have been how to communicate with this fifth-grader? How to enable him to write a single decent sentence in English language, let alone a flawless paragraph? Would this fifth-grader be equipped enough to grapple with the mysteries of science----a discipline outside the domain of Islam? Is it possible for the young to wrestle with the subjects in Literature and Science when adults throw jargon in English language? The problem in this Islamic republic is not the young and dumb. The problem is the elder. He is yet to recover from after being crushed by static Islam and an English-speaking Civilization beyond comprehension. Help.

[@jekyll7110]

snc makes me angry... why are we letting them do this to us

[@Midnight_rider993]

All the comments of indian , no pakistan 👍

[@anjan67]

Mr Hoodbuoy should research about Hindutva!! It’s the original name of Hinduism. Hindutva and Hinduism is the same!!!

[@Gigachad7022]

You know your country is a mess when your intellectual class is like this .. Instead of giving reasons and hard facts and figures they just say whatever comes in their head " india me hinduuutva minority ko daba rha ha " are bhi kese ? Whole conversation is about how Pakistani education system is doomed, well I know it is but these people who are here to specifically talk about this topic hardly quote any line from pak textbooks .🤦‍♂️

[@burakglobal7370]

Brother Indian day by day going towards Pakistan structure and Pakistan counsiously thinking to move nehru Indian structure...😂😂😂😂. I hope everyone understand what i mean to say and hope pakistan future is better then bjp india.😂😂😂

[@KapilDev-md5uq]

Kindly do amendment in logo of your channel, kindly scientifically correct the image of black hole.

[@bipins7295]

And Mr Hoodboy is conducting sessions on nuclear physics, space, quantum, darwin, science, etc on Black Hole in Mullastan...ha ha ha...

[@kryptonlordzeus1204]

Timestamp for references to India 🇮🇳 😊please....

[@bipins7295]

Chkkr ye hai - aapke jaise 2-3% log hi hain pakistan baaki sab radicalized muslims hain alag alag level pr, chahe parents hon, chahe doctor, chahe engineer, chahe scientist....

[@rashtriyachankyaparty5563]

Right.💯💯

[@pj-nz6nm]

You are either a muslim or a human cannot be both at same time.

[@_kartik_chauhan]

Point of views can be different but The roots and the direction and the present state of Hinduism and Hindutva is not one actually.... Origin is different present Is different and the direction is also different..... Hope somebody do some reaching on it

[@surendrakaushik4480]

Comparison with India is untenable. Muslims in India are better off than the Pakistanis. Why dont Pakistan talk of Shahrukh khan ; Salman Khan and other muslim celebrities or muslim Politicians who occupied senior positions in India polity .

[@alonemast81]

Approx 3% non muslim kafir bache hue hein unko leke batein ho rahi hein unke dukh dard ko leke criticise kar rahe hein but 50 years ke baad ek bhi kafir nahi bachega tab sab Muslims ho jayenge tab itna pareshan hone ki jarurat nahi padegi

[@csheru]

3% bolte hain , actually 1.5 % hi hain

[@rashtriyachankyaparty5563]

Beta 50 years ke bad ye hi hindu ho jaige.aab dhekna convert hogea.

[@ddmaheshwari7059]

Surprising that Pakistanis talk about India without kniwing detsils why dony you just avoid tslkingvabout Infia. If you eish to do please get correct info.

[@armankhan-wn6mn]

اور یہ موضوع بھی رکھے ۔ دیکھے اب کوئ پرائیوٹ سکول میں پڑھا رھا ھے لیکن وہ سارا نظام بدل نہیں سکتا ۔ لیکن وہ اپنی انفرادی سطح پر تبدیلی لانا چاہتا ھے تو اپ اس کے اوپر سیشن رکھے ۔ کہ بچوں کو کیسے پڑھاے ؟ کیسے ٹیچرز اپنی صلاحیت بڑھا سکتے ھے ؟

[@bipins7295]

Apke yaha mulla/maulwi/islam ka hi kanoon chalta hai, if not directly but indirectly through state...jo marji government aa jaye mulla/maulwi/jahaliyat wahi rhegi. Aapke yahan islam govern krta hai...

[@HOG1070]

the platform perfectly represents the present state of the Islamic Republic (so called) Pakistan.... "Black Hole" 😂😉

[@nezamalam2458]

Religious lords