Why The Flash Season 9 Was So Insanely Bad

[@Howlabunga]

imagine if they fired Eric Wallace and hired a pro for the final season

[@tommydevito4105]

That would’ve been awesome

[@centerloper]

Any hardcore Flash fan would have made a better plot.

[@justdrumline6805]

You mean bring back the original writers that are now writing superman and Lois. I would love that

[@jamiemeansjamesmusic]

For the life of me, I do not understand why that guy had a job on this show for the past several years. The guy can't run a show for shit.

[@geysan6677]

I wish I lived in that timeline instead of this.

[@michaelfraser1073]

What really annoys me is how Ceclie’s arc this season, about how she can balance life as a hero and time as a parent, should have been Barry’s. That would have been a good arc for him in his show’s final season.

[@AurianWarriorOfDarkness]

Cecile was hawt as a DA but as a side character she was cringe and annoying i really hated when she time travel to her future self she threw up her when things were tough and walked out all the while barry is missing snd out of time like wtf you got speedster in your family that can get to the home joe is living in seconds or use allegra teleporter balls like wtf what is the issue??

[@michaelfraser1073]

@@AurianWarriorOfDarkness Exactly. Cecile is just yet another character whose actual purpose in the show’s story ages ago but hung around because apparently the Arrowverse writers don’t use Legends as a dumping point for characters they don’t know what to do with anymore.

[@isekai2zer051]

The only thing Cecile was good for was showing them melons 🗿

[@vegetajp7]

Season nine was trash the writing in this one was garbage and they would have followed the comic and had better writers. It would’ve been good. All these female villains are garbage. In red death was trash making a female doesn’t make it better.

[@tylercistrunk9461]

@@vegetajp7true I agree with the red death villian it was trash and the final battle with the og villians was just too damned rushed too fast and seeing Cecile flying it could’ve been Barry got a upgrade to his powers in the last season and Allegra and Chester a terrible couple in my opinion the writers waited all the way to season 9 for them to start dating that was just dumb

[@OmarO_721]

For those of you who don’t know, this season was originally supposed to be 23 episodes like before. And the middle season arc after Red Death was supposed to focus on a storyline between Allegra and Chester. Yeah I’m not kidding… Remember that cliffhanger where Chester’s computer was getting hacked. That was setting up this planned storyline. Obviously this would turn a lot of people off, since both characters are very unlikable. But Eric clearly doesn’t listen to the fans 🙄.

[@jhammond1978]

Tf? And when did Chester's computer get hacked? Episode 11?

[@henrypeters5291]

I do not know where you got 23 for. Grant signed on for 15 and that was cut to 13 by the CW.

[@jhammond1978]

​@@henrypeters5291 did he? I never got around to following that

[@xavierramirez1911]

im honestly not surprised they would create an entire arc for allegra and chester, because thats what the fans want😒

[@Spacemanfilms2002]

It was never gonna be good

[@ImTheReverse]

Lol Cecile’s message of “it doesn’t matter how little time you spend with your family as long as you love them” to justify her remaining a hero sounds like Eric Wallace throwing shade at Grant Gustin for leaving to spend time with his family. Obviosuly, that’s not the case but I wouldn’t put it past him.

[@ilovezoom3719]

I never thought of that great catch

[@quantumpizza576]

Well, Eric Wallace is a Flash villain, so I wouldn't put it past him to give wrong advice

[@Gh0st_0723]

I hope Eric at least got what he wanted from Cecil. He clearly was trying to get that virtue cake 😂. Dude literally said "screw y'all im tryna get laid" to the fans.

[@PolarisCastillo]

I hope he did otherwise it wasn't worth it lol

[@CornBreadtm1]

I mean... who wouldn't.

[@sammybutler3027]

@@CornBreadtm1anyone with a brain who actually has pride in their work

[@patrickjennings431]

You can tell that eric wallace and the writers wanted to get it over with by having flash's past enemies to lose too quickly which is stupid

[@tommydevito4105]

I agree, if they were gonna lose too quickly (no pun intended) then they should’ve all lost to Barry and only Barry to show how powerful he has become

[@robertrogers074]

@@tommydevito4105 exactly.

[@parthrikhi6592]

Eric Wallace's several no of crimes: -Caitlin dies to get replaced by a so called goddess whose powers were never clearly explained, then team goes partying. -Team votes who to bring back out of Caitlin and frost which cisco would never have done -Out of no where batwoman appears after being told ryan disappeared and just somehow knows some arrowverse characters we never see her interact with. -0 chemistry unneeded romance of chester and allegra. -Cringy one liners by red death and side characters. -3 pure trash fillers in final season when we could have stargirl/supergirl/ superman or anyone crossovering. -Iconic Speedster villains ruined in the finale. -Worst character cecile could fly out of nowhere and beat a force of nature itself and an army of godspeeds. -Flash gets his ass beat half the time, barely appears in the final season and defeats cobalt blue using speech force. -A speedster can steal any other speedster's speed now, no matter if the forces are opposite. -There is no raw fighting, but light sabers, throwing lightning half the time and such shit.

[@abhishekgs7983]

Exactly,speed steeling is dumbest idea.just touch,then speed gone🤧 at final red death fight flash pushed from side I thought he is going to lose speed again by touching red death 😂

[@Mae-ny3jt]

speech force T_T

[@lordtouchme6210]

You are true with all this But actually speed stealing is right its also in the comics but it works differently not like in the show Touch and your speed is gone In the comics you need to clycle run the speedster to get the speed

[@Living_Soul54]

The thing is, arrow had 10 episodes for its final season. So you'd think, or at least I did that the flash having 3 extra episodes would be able to finish as good but nope, quite the opposite.

[@ajwebhead21]

No that just cause they have the wrong person in the chair to approve these episodes I would have still had it but instead have it where iris from her earth died by her hand but believed that it was flash fault leaving her to have a connection from her basically do what zoom did but have that connection with iris to try and get close to her to form a connection but also still try and kill the flash hiring the Rogues but have them be beaten by flash but when he takes down the last one get sneaked attack by red death but have her be like how batman does things have them be in the shadows but kills the Rogues that failed her and have her planned to kill every rogue in Central city leaving barry wanting to protect them and try to in a way recreate what red death thought led to iris death but had iris put together the clues that it was her that did it and put together that she isn't the real ryan but the real one was missing and kidnapped by red death having the Rogues we saw rescue Ryan and help figure a way to stop her all together creating that speed dampened made by Cisco who has had experience with speedster and have ryan use it to stop red death with ryan and flash team up have red death be beaten twice once by the flash and lose hand to hand by the real batwoman.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

What's weird about the Chester & Allegra chats with Cecile about overcoming her doubts about being a good mother to Jenna/baby mama to Joe is the fact that neither of them are parents! Cecile has a daughter in college (well by Season 9, I wager that girl would've been out of school and in the working world), but now she wants to play hero while she has another daughter in the developmental years of her life! It'd be different if Jenna was already in her late teens and becoming her own person. Cecile just wants to go around reading people's emotions instead of being a mother!!! She looks completely irresponsible and it's stupid that she takes advice from those childless members of Team Flash...

[@fl3782]

This character made me dislike its actress... I know it is wrong. But i can’t help it. Cecilia or virtue is incredibly annoying and frustrating to watch

[@SejfTrix]

​@@fl3782 honestly same but then I feel bad for her actress

[@OneGaurdian]

Speaking of Cecile's other daughter, when was the last time she was even mentioned? I think she only ever appeared once, and that was it.

[@EddieTheCruiser1984]

@@OneGaurdian I think twice once was an introduction and the other was in Barrys bachelors party and she was a stripper in it (good parenting from Cecile right there)

[@kevothegoat9891]

Oh you mean the other daughter we barely hear about 💀and who wasn’t around to see the birth of her new sister.

[@BenAri18]

Ill never forgive them for massacring my boys zoom and savitar like that in the finale, shit even Thawne was lame got defeated by alegra

[@MrAnonymous55592]

Ikr the ending was the worst part tho

[@EliC09]

Godspeed losing to an overpowered Cecile was worse

[@bluebloo9955]

The fact these characters gave Flash a hard time in the earlier seasons just to get beaten so easily by side characters in this later season is ridiculous

[@freezypop7698]

i always thought the red death stuff wouldve been a million times more interesting if he had olivers face. For example, stephen amell plays bruce wayne on another earth. so even though its not oliver queen, barry would still be conflicted trying to stop someone that looks like his friend. like when red death shows up on that earth, he could use that to his advantage knowing someone on that earth looks like him. Idk it sounds stupid but i feel it'd add more depth since no one even cared about batwoman. Hell, i didnt even know who she was when she took off her mask because i didnt follow the batwoman show lol also itd just be bonus points if they kept the same backstory from the comics

[@ajwebhead21]

That brilliant because even Stephen was always looked at as the batman and I think he be a perfect batman but that's a good idea where he is from another earth. It's fans like you that really makes me wish you was showrunning the show

[@quantumpizza576]

Exactly- batwoman's like useless- and this isn't about powers, it's about character- we don't know anything about her, she has had no connection with Barry in any way possible, on the other hand, Oliver and Barry are almost brothers- so it would be so much better if Red Death was Oliver

[@harrambou9468]

But we have confirmation that Batman does exist. Green Arrow is not Batman.

[@harrambou9468]

@@quantumpizza576 agreed…well kind of

[@CornBreadtm1]

Red Death would have been fine if the acting wasn't horrible. The acting took me right out of the character. Red Death doesn't have a lot of comic history. It's literally just Batman fused with the Flash in the comics has 1 solo origin comic and is beaten easily in Dark Knights Metal. So they could have fused Barry with any hero in the Arrowverse and it would have worked. Oliver Queen included, since they could have played with the idea of Ollie returning from the dead. And gotten better acting...

[@kicker3186]

Really disappointed in the final season. Flash deserved better, just like Arrow’s final season.

[@tommydevito4105]

Here’s what I would’ve done for the season. For the Rogue War graphic novel I would’ve done one of two things. Had Red Death been played by Warren Christie who’s the Batman of earth prime and say it was the earth prime Bruce Wayne who the negative forces (not the negative speed force because it planned for Eddie) plucked from time to do what they did to Thawne in season 8 but to Batman which explains where he was all this time after going missing since before Batwoman began. Wallace Day and Javicia Leslie would reprise their roles as Kate and Ryan with them teaming up with Barry. The arc would focus solely on Red Death and no rogues. It would end with Bruce being freed from the negative forces and returning to Gotham with Kate and Ryan and the arc would be titled Mask of the Red Death. If this wasn’t possible due to WB not allowing Batman even though he wouldn’t be Batman then Red Death would be cut entirely. Instead the Rogue War graphic novel would feature the Captain Boomerang we saw, the season 1 Rainbow Raider we saw, Weather Wizard, Murmur, Golden Glider from earth prime with their leader being Captain Cold from another earth (Wentworth Miller would play him) who was banished by the flash of his earth wanting revenge. Golden Glider would join him because she wouldn’t know what happened to her brother and that he died a hero. These rouges would’ve been the villains. Khione would’ve been cut entirely and instead the machine gave Caitlin similar powers to Khione and she that it unlocked the life force and was the life force avatar. Caitlin wouldn’t be as powerful as Khione but would’ve had some decent powers. Episodes 6-8 would be cut entirely, episode 9 would happen no different but instead would be episode 6. After that episode Barry and Wally travel the new multiverse with the knowledge Oliver gave them and end up on earth 2 for a crossover with Stargirl for 2 episodes, Jay Garrick would be with them which would clear up and pay off that tease from the end of Stargirl. Episode 9 would begin the New World graphic novel. Eddie would be Cobalt Blue for the last 2 episodes with blue lightning and the old speedster villains we saw would be in episodes 12 & 13 but Barry would defeat them. The final fight against Cobalt Blue would be in a different location but would’ve ended the same with Eddie destroying the crystal and staying the negative speedforce avatar as Barry’s partner. But with the whole timeline shattering thing during Cobalt Blue’s reign, Barry would feel something wrong and would know what he had to do, he would throw a bolt of lightning into the past and we don’t know where it went until the last scene of the show with Barry’s narration we see that the lighting he threw struck himself which is what gave him powers. This is what my season 9 would’ve been

[@langadube9611]

Damn that's actually pretty good.

[@rixenraid5158]

Its really sad that the fans can just causally come up with something better than the writers who are PAID to do it.

[@jhammond1978]

Ah! That's interesting.... what if we delved into Wally's a little bit more like u said, and once possessed.... Barry and him accidentally time travel back to 2014 and through this.... they bring back the negative speed force and the night of the particle accelerator, it finds Eddie and strikes him like Barry

[@tommydevito4105]

@@rixenraid5158 i know right

[@tommydevito4105]

@@langadube9611 thank you

[@jmanfym]

This season has confirmed for me that it’s not the writers fault and that they were either suffering from impossible deadlines from the CW or were forced to focus on characters that Eric Wallace likes. Or both🤷🏽‍♂️

[@westerxxx9220]

Hmm? How did it confirm smth lmao

[@jmanfym]

@@westerxxx9220 this season is just so bad there’s no way the writers listen to all the criticism they’ve been getting and then write the script for season 9

[@westerxxx9220]

You have a point. At least that's not so disappointing in some way

[@creed8712]

So does he get an extra check every time Tylenol is in an episode

[@KurapikaStan]

@@creed8712 I heard they get their family threatened if they don’t have Cecile in an episode

[@Killgore-ip2yq]

This show is actually good without Cecile, Chester, Allegra, chillbaine, and Kihihone. Let that sink in that Iris became redeemed.

[@suzygirl1843]

Maybe they purposefully created horrible characters to offset the Iris hate

[@suzygirl1843]

@@Arthaslk67 That was the actor's choice. They needed someone in comms. Sometimes DC Fans make no sense. If Cisco was leaving, I rather they turned this into a family show, than a Superhero show like Superman and Lois. He was barely in the cape in S3.

[@mariha63]

​@@suzygirl1843Iris hate was always stupid, too much and mindless vitriol so no. People just started to BARELY realize it because actual bad characters showed up.

[@EliC09]

Iris still sucked. She wasn’t as bad as previous seasons, but she was still bad

[@suzygirl1843]

@@EliC09 Iris was the best girlfriend. White people just mad

[@shroomzlord8079]

I’m so happy you brought up the consistent flashbacks to really recent episodes throughout this season. It was also a substantial problem in season 8. Every time one appears it feels like the show is insulting the intelligence of its audience which makes it feel somewhat unpleasant to watch. (Edit) That being said, however, I thought that the short flashbacks pertaining to Eddie and his blue roses and blues song worked quite well because it represented him regaining his memories whilst also emphasising the influence the blue crystal has over him.

[@Makman1994]

I can't help but feel dumb for actually hoping that the creators would put effort into this season.

[@Mailpaper06]

To be fair the first episode of the arc and the Oliver Queen episode were absolutely fantastic so it looked like there was a chance.

[@tykross]

Man, we really were blessed with the 8th season of Arrow. While the show might've had it's flaws and may or may not age well, it knew how to respect its audience. Every episode being a tribute to a previous season and storyline, bringing everything together with Oliver being front and center of the story was genious. The bar was set, all the Flash had to do was to follow through and it could've gone out with a bang, rather than limping its way to the end.

[@thetwelfthdoctor9892]

the thing that confuse me the most: This season had 3-4 filler episodes. The writers claimed that had they had more episodes, they would have given a proper ending to the Legends of Tomorrow. My question is: why did they do 3 filler episodes instead of using those 3 episodes to save the legends? Like, we could have had: - episode 1-5: Red Death ( which was crap) - episode 6-8: Final Crossover with the Legends of Tomorrow - episode 9: Farewell to Oliver - episode 10-13: Cobalt Blue

[@ZeroSolarisDXL]

Simply put: Budget

[@ImTheReverse]

Nah Legends is an easy two-parter. - episode 1-5 Red Death - episode 6-7 Legends - episode 8 Arrow - episode 9-13 Cobalt Blue

[@ZeroSolarisDXL]

@@ImTheReverse I like your episode line up. Just so many wasted episodes…what a shame.

[@xavierramirez1911]

because cecile, allegra, and chester are way more important apparently

[@ilovezoom3719]

Yeah true but the stupid side characters deserve more attention according to Eric Wallace’s logic

[@matthewlincoln8194]

The biggest problem is that S9 tried to do way too much with way too little (Filler episodes definitely didn't help with this). They would've done better by focusing on one story arc throughout the entire season. Cobalt Blue should've been the main problem for S9, instead of that mess of a Red Death arc. The Khione story should've been scrapped. They should've brought back Caitlyn some other way. The side characters shouldn't have been the main focus either. Then there's the Blue bringing back evil speedsters to fight Flash. This was a cool idea that was wasted by having Team Flash defeat them. It should've been Barry vs the evil speedsters, with a more experienced (and more powerful) Flash soloing all of them by himself. They could've made it seem like Flash was losing to all of them(until we realize that he was holding back the whole time).

[@CriticsCupofficial]

Oh mate imagine it being like Spider-Man vs the sinister 6 where the flash wipes the floor with speedsters villains because Barry is at his peak

[@matthewlincoln8194]

@@CriticsCupofficial That's exactly what I was thinking. What a shame that we didn't get that.

[@EliC09]

If they went with your version, Flash would only win after Iris would give him some sappy, shitty speech

[@josefoof1175]

@@EliC09😂

[@praneethponnada4976]

BL, I don't think Rick Cosnett is really at fault here, since his past appearances after S1, as recent as in S8 felt like normal Eddie, its definitely the way he is written in an emotionless way that makes him feel like a different character.

[@gaydolfbitler]

I watched like half an episode and he didn't feel like Eddie. I'm not sure if he was meant to though. Eddies actor looked like he's lost some mass aswell. That being said he was in incredible shape in s1.

[@fangzntalonz]

It's gotta be a combo of bad writing and direction.

[@LucasHopkins2006]

I’m not surprised they tried that stupid “It doesn’t matter how little time you spend with your family as long as you love them” lesson when these are the same people that did the whole “Everybody deserves a second chance” thing after they didn’t do that for Hartley Sawyer

[@Dave2kool4skool]

Season 9 failed because there was not enough Cecile

[@OmarO_721]

When I heard this was going to be 13 episodes. I knew they were gonna screw/rush this up.

[@jhammond1978]

Yea.... but HOW were they going to screw it up? The result : five episodes of Red Tantrum, three episodes of nothing happening and one episode of fan service.... one episode of the beginning and three episodes of nothing happening.... so yea they screwed it up this way

[@cookiemonsteryummyyumz]

Honestly, I tot having 13 episodes would give us a single nicely paced story arc without all the bullshit fillers and unnecessary screen time to characters we don't care about, yet somehow they managed to do the exact opposite :)))

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

Thing is 13 episodes would’ve been great for a focused, tightly written high budget season of the flash.

[@TTyronE_]

I thought the same way about Arrow's final season - but at least that did him some justice before Crisis. This season just felt like too many things needing to happen in too short of a time :/

[@ImTheReverse]

I thought giving this season 13 episodes would’ve tightened things up and given us a short, succinct season. But like always, they tried to cram way too much bullshit into an already short season.

[@GoodXylophone]

If only they could've had at least a satisfying comeback with the final season. I remember not liking Smallville season 7 onward, but Season 10 was wonderful. It was such a good send off.

[@Nemo25599]

Cobalt blue arc could have been focus of 10 episodes with rest 3 episodes crossing over with legends, arrow and supergirl

[@griswoldclark6835]

The cobalt blue stuff was so Good it really felt like a new team of writers came on board.

[@Nemo25599]

@@griswoldclark6835 the idea was great for finale but it was rushed

[@griswoldclark6835]

@@Nemo25599 bare minimum 10 episodes of 13 for cobalt blue and the first 3 just a last crossover

[@shrike_psd]

I actually want to see a group of dedicated producers to make a remake animation of the flash season 9 I don’t care how long it will take I only want them to actually make it have good writing

[@EliC09]

@@griswoldclark6835it was great up until the final episode. Especially with worthless side characters beating big threats like Godspeed, Zoom, Savitar and Reverse Flash

[@HenriqueHCA14]

The only explanation i can think of, Eric Wallace was tapping Danielle Nicolet and Cecile got more screen-time.

[@PolarisCastillo]

That's what I'm thinking too. Either that or he was hoping to.

[@rosariomariadelpilarbenavidesm]

Nothing like good old ass misogyny to make a point. Classic Flash fan argument, you're all some sick fucks to even suggest that.

[@samuelketner1391]

Thought the same thing. It fundamentally does not make sense why Cecille Horton seemingly has more focus then Barry or Iris.

[@EliC09]

My thoughts exactly. Hope that ass was worth ruining the show

[@shadowstrike234]

Black Lion, you've been with the arrowverse since the start. I remember watching your all Batman references video when i was 12. I'm 18 now. Thanks for being a part of my childhood and helping me understand the Arrowverse better.

[@featherguardian6023]

When the Flash Ended I knew Season 9 was the Worst in the Series and Now not only do I stranded and meant it,The More I Think about the Worst it Gets,It Felt Rushed and Disappointing that I wouldn’t be Surprised if they did it on Purpose before the Flash Movie came out,they needed to Celebrate the Series and the Arrowverse by Bringing Back Cisco,Ralph,Wally,Harry,Jesse,the OG Rogues,the Legends,Supergirl,and the Rival and all we got is the Main Character being Weak that needed to be Saved,Not Doing Any Real Fights by saying “I’m Not Gonna Fight You” Crap,Making the Horrible Supporting Cast the Most Important Things in the Series that it might be called Eric Wallace’s Team Flash or the Cecile Drama Show,Khione is a Parasite in the Finale,Red Death is Wasted by having Comic Book Godspeed’s Motivation done Worse and Making No Sense with Grood,Cobalt Blue and the Evil Speedsters are Done so Dirty,the Filler Episodes are a Mistake that we could’ve gotten a Legends Farewell Special and Set Up the Next Generation of Speedsters,and While it has Good Things like Episodes 9 and 10 but it doesn’t Save Eric Wallace to make an Awful Season with Half of the Budget was wasted on the Virtue Suit,Season 9 is what I Considered as the Reverse 9 Cat Lives from Last Wish.

[@vukperisic1287]

Totally forgot about Ralph 😅😂

[@EliC09]

Agreed, but the Rival sucked

[@hawkeye0378]

Arrow’s final season had 3 less episodes, while also having 2 of those be the crossover and a test for a spin-off, yet it managed to have a way more complete and good content filled season than this season of the flash. It also gave way more satisfying conclusions to the side characters even though season 9 of the flash gave their own way more focus.

[@freshcity]

Not a crossover just a special appearance

[@hawkeye0378]

@@freshcity the 8th episode of season 8 of arrow was Crisis on infinite earths part 4

[@freshcity]

@@hawkeye0378 rewatch it again for me why don’t you

[@CharlieHepp]

imagine if they fired Eric Wallace and hired a pro for the final season For those of you who don’t know, this season was originally supposed to be 23 episodes like before. The middle season arc after Red Death was supposed to focus on a storyline between Allegra and Chester. Yeah, I’m not kidding… Remember that cliffhanger where Chester’s computer was getting hacked. That was setting up this planned storyline. Obviously, this would turn a lot of people off, since both characters are very unlikable. But Eric clearly doesn’t listen to the fans 🙄. You can tell that Eric Wallace and the writers wanted to get it over with by having Flash's past enemies lose too quickly which is stupid i always thought the Red Death stuff would've been a million times more interesting if he had Oliver's face. For example, Stephen Amell plays Bruce Wayne on another earth. so even though it's not Oliver Queen, Barry would still be conflicted trying to stop someone who looks like his friend. like when Red Death shows up on that earth, he could use that to his advantage knowing someone on that earth looks like him. Idk it sounds stupid but I feel it'd add more depth since no one even cared about Batwoman. Hell, I didn't even know who she was when she took off her mask because I didn't follow the Batwoman show lol also would just be bonus points if they kept the same backstory from the What's weird about the Chester & Allegra chats with Cecile about overcoming her doubts about being a good mother to Jenna/baby mama to Joe is the fact that neither of them are parents! Cecile has a daughter in college (well by Season 9, I wager that girl would've been out of school and in the working world), but now she wants to play hero while she has another daughter in the developmental years of her life! It'd be different if Jenna was already in her late teens and becoming her own person. Cecile just wants to go around reading people's emotions instead of being a mother!!! She looks completely irresponsible and it's stupid that she takes advice from those childless members of Team Flash... I always thought the Red Death stuff would've been a million times more interesting if he had Oliver's face. For example, Stephen Amell plays Bruce Wayne on another earth. so even though it's not Oliver Queen, Barry would still be conflicted trying to stop someone who looks like his friend. like when Red Death shows up on that earth, he could use that to his advantage knowing someone on that earth looks like him. Idk it sounds stupid but I feel it'd add more depth since no one even cared about Batwoman. Hell, I didn't even know who she was when she took off her mask because I didn't follow the Batwoman show lol also would just be bonus points if they kept the same backstory from the comics.

[@haroldiscool6410]

I remember your season 4 episode reviews of the flash. Shame it had to end like this

[@metallicnole4514]

Initially I said it wasn't the flash's job to wrap up other shows in the arrowverse. But after the awful red death story and inerlude episodes, they should have just wrapped up legends in a 3-parter

[@rosariomariadelpilarbenavidesm]

How would wrapping up Legends even pertain to Barry's character?

[@metallicnole4514]

@@rosariomariadelpilarbenavidesm How does an episode that focuses on cecile or any of the side characters pertain to barry?

[@vinceyrankings]

Now you should do a video talking about the Eric Wallace Era S6-9 in one video and how he destroyed the show

[@jhammond1978]

Eric Wallace is a genius.... SAID NO ONE EVER

[@impulsivestudios6705]

Can you do a video where you rewrite season 9? With the same amount of episodes? I would love to see how you would fix it and make it enjoyable

[@cosmicvcosmic]

Worst finale season ever? I cant think of anything worse

[@jasonjones3328]

Game of Thrones

[@Omen_Rocks123]

Aot final chapter

[@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964]

The Supergirl one was way worse, trust me

[@mseandimitriusk7636]

I like this barry allen guy. I hope they give him his own tv show

[@Voltra_]

Cecile is a bad mother and a bad partner

[@jbmtjoy]

Dude, thank you for making the point that the show’s take on ‘love’ is ‘morally reprehensible’. Being ‘in love’ is being taken up by emotion, and falls flat compared to the simple act of ‘love’, where push comes to shove and you choose to love someone despite how you feel in any given moment. That’s the real deal. Love is a choice. It pissed me off that the show acted like ‘feeling enough love’ for someone is as good, if not better than, the real thing. Solid video man!!

[@e-da-p1430]

I wasn’t expecting the season to be so short. My first thoughts where it didn’t leave you with much closure and I hate that

[@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT]

Maybe they had story for 23 episodes but they were told they only get 13 and we're missing all the gaps That would help it make more sense. Though I don't know how much more they can add to make this even a decent season... I was sad we didn't get to see a Cisco and Julian cameo at least. Ceciele became a huge Mary Sue who You knew was never in any danger at any point.

[@HeroEdits01]

I have changed my ratings of S9 Episode 1 7.5/10 Episode 2 6.8/10 Episode 3 7.6/10 Episode 4 5.5/10 Episode 5 5.3/10 Episode 6 1/10 Episode 7 2/10 Episode 8 2.7/10 Episode 9 10/10 Episode 10 10/10 Episode 11 6/10 Episode 12 5.8/10 Episode 13 4.6/10 Average rating - 5.7 Red Death Arc - 6.5/10 Interludes - 3.9/10 New World Arc - 6.6/10 🥇New World Arc (But Is Still Bad) 🥈Red Death Arc 🥉Interludes

[@chrisp7326]

I was hoping for the finale fight they do Jay Garrick vs Zoom (pay back from Jay for that time Zoom imprisoned him), Wally West vs Savitar (pay back from Wally for when Savitar trapped him in the speed force+tried to kill his sister), have Mia Queen and Supergirl show up to help Barry fight Eobard Thawne similar to how Firestorm and Arrow showed up to help Barry beat Thawne in season 1. And idk, make the shitty side characters fight God Speed

[@EliC09]

Make the shitty characters lose to Godspeed, and then have someone more important save them before they’re killed

[@xIronwafflexx]

The one problem I've had with this show from the start, is non speedsters having the reaction time to react to speedsters and even somehow catch speedsters off guard.

[@EliC09]

My biggest problem was Barry getting caught off guard for one second, and the villain escapes. It’s like they purposely wrote his character to rely on his team, rather than beating the villain by himself

[@Kudarooo]

love when this guy says "it's so stupid" funniest line ever

[@vavaclll]

16:00 Legion of zoom is name of the group from comics that it is kind of based on but here it still doesn't make sense a bit

[@akirakurusu4309]

You know why season 9 was bad. Because Eric forced us to sit through his fanfiction OC Red Death (Ryan only existed after Crisis and Hartley's firing), and the actress OBVIOUSLY couldn't play a villain. Then the finale disrespected the villains and rather than pay tribute to past characters, went to introducing two previously established speedsters (nothing wrong with that) but also, a woke representation speedster.

[@DabigJK]

It was amazing when they made that bottle episode about Barry Allen in The Cecile on the cw

[@PrinceOfKings55]

I will always complain in every review about season 9 about the ending 😭 there is no way they got away with disrespecting those speedsters the way they did. There should have been one episode dedicated to one fight of the spider. Thaws should have outsmarted cobalt blue and ended up being the big bad of the season once again. And Red Death should have maybe played a more central role to the final. Idc what they did out Iris and the baby in danger. Give the viewer a sense of danger, kill of some characters to show the danger. Chuck could have died and I wouldn’t have batted an eye to Elegra getting a wild power up cuz of a rage amp. But what made the least amount of sense was Cecil getting all these last second powers, Godspeed should have smoked her. Every episode dedicated to speedster fight not all the heroes should have one. Chuck should have died Elegra and Cecil should have been severely injured, Nora could have defeated Savitar but with some injuries. I can go on but I ranted enough. That Arrow episode tho idk if it’s because of Nostalgia but I loved it and how dare you give dreamer a 2/10 😂😂 but I get it more could have been done Dreamer is one of my favourites so when she popped up I was highly excited but the episode itself disappointed me

[@theflowerchild1234]

This show has been over in my mind since that musical episode in season 3... 😂😂😂😂

[@dudzter11]

Wait ‘The Flash Season 9’??? Didn’t this show end after season 5 cause I swear I’ve been watching Cecile and Friends for the last 4 years 🤔😂

[@PolarisCastillo]

Pretty sure Eric was trying to get very friendly with Danielle/Cecil

[@anas_vvf]

I am really sad about what happened to Savitar, he is my favorite villain 💔💔

[@MrAnonymous55592]

Zoom is my favorite lol 😂 but I agree with him tho this season was horrible especially the end where cobalt blue was defeated by the power of friendship

[@abhishekgs7983]

I'm really hated the final season why they made that trash It would be great if they add ep 9,10 and final run scene to season 8 and end the show the returns of negative speedforce makes no sense

[@jourdonpatron212]

Even Supergirl had a better finale that final season was abysmal.

[@CalamityJay]

I feel like they could have done the season opener with the Arrow crossover, then just have the final season be about Colbalt Blue. It would given a lot more time to flesh out the story and CB and more time to see the other speedsters again.

[@2kx62]

Barry story arc truly ended in season 3 or that’s at least how it feels

[@msmcpherson6629]

Never let Erick Wallace near another film again

[@Robertandridyer4092]

HERE IS MY RANKING OF THE EPISODES 1. It’s my party and I’ll die if I have to: 9/10 2. Wednesday ever after: 3/10 3. Reunions: 2/10 4. Rogues of war: 2/10 5. Finally: 2/10 6. The blues: 1/10 7. Mask of red death part 1: 0/10 8. Mask of red death part 2: 0/10 9. Changes: 0/10 10. Partners on time: 0/10 11. Wildest dreams: 0/10 12. The good, bad and lucky: 0/10 13. Hear no evil: 0/10

[@rixenraid5158]

How is reunions a 2/10

[@rebelz926]

Could you talk more about Superman and Lois? It is really underrated.

[@jimmacias4850]

It really is

[@eriksanchez1721]

No it's not? It's super highly rated, especially lately

[@ThePandaaa]

@@eriksanchez1721o it’s not if you actually checked out it’s viewership it’s severely under watched

[@eriksanchez1721]

@@ThePandaaa uhh, not what a quick Google search says

[@CriticsCupofficial]

I stopped watching it after 1 season it was getting cringey with family and side characters like flash

[@oliverqueen9886]

I know in the past you said Arrow season 4 is the worse season in the entire Arrowverse. Would you say that its not anymore? What seasons in the Arrowverse would you say are worse and what is your opinion of the worse season in the entire Arrowverse?

[@IanJones1388]

I thought taking Thawnes speed in season 7 causes the war between the good forces and negative forces because there is no negative speed force avatar but yet in this season they kill the negative speed force 🤷‍♂️ Barry destroys Savitars suit in the season 3 finale but yet he returns with it in full working order 🤷‍♂️ and can someone tell me what Chill Blaine did in the finale episode and why wasn’t Cisco and Wally in the finale episode?? And isn’t Nora being their at her own birth fucking weird and shouldn’t it have consequences on the timeline

[@beenapatel4689]

My idea for the final season would be to have the tenth episode as the first one but change it around slightly so they start by finding out that Iris is pregnant and Barry worrying if he would be a good dad. Then the episode goes on to be the same Barry being trapped in the past and so on. He then dissapears at the end of the episode. We find out in episode 2 he's gone to earth 2 and has to team up with Harry to take down a rouge group of meta humans trying to avange Zoom calling themselves 'the legion of Zoom'. I would carry on having each episode kind of callling back to a previous season e.g the ninth episode would then become the sixth (maybe tweek the episode a bit to make it work in this storyline). In the present we would have team Flash worring about Barry and another storyline between Mark and Catlin where the chamber malfunctions and Mark ends up with Ice powers but not the alterego. The finale would still be Eddie vs Barry but in the end Eddie brings Barry into the negative speed force to bring him down have the realsiation he's becoming into the thing he's feared most Thawne (similar to Nora in Season 5 ). Barrry attempts to save Eddie but Eddie dies and the negative speed force takes Barry to the future where he saves a crowd in trouble and there's a shot of a speester running off but the lighting being a mix of yellow and red. Barry is then taken back to the future where Nora is finally born. P.S. Sorry for a long comment and thanks if you have read it all.If you have any other ideas you can mention them in the replies below the comment.

[@eugger3011]

This might take a lot of work but I would love to see you do a review of the entire show.

[@ZebsAlleyOriginalMusic]

These videos are certainly of good quality, but the harsh truth of the internet is that most people don't really care about your opinion as much as they share that opinion and enjoy watching it expressed in an online forum. That said, because of the quality of your videos you have gained a lot of repeat viewers.

[@ThePandaaa]

Eric Wallace definitely tapping the actress that plays Cecile for sure!

[@SleepyGangsta]

As someone who loved the Flash, it really sucks that this was the season the show ended on. With the lackluster last few seasons and it being the end of the show, you would think that the writers and showrunners would put their all into this final season, yet it felt as though no effort was put into the season whatsoever. Its sad to see that this show got to have "closure" but Legends of Tomorrow, a significantly better show (in my opinion), did not get to finish their story! I felt a lot more of an emotional connection to each character in Legends than all the Flash characters combined (except for maybe Barry, Captain West and Iris). I hope that one day we will get to finish the Legends' story, whether that be a movie or final season because they deserve to get a real ending!

[@pumpkinhuh2064]

Let me direct season 9 I guarantee it would be a lot better

[@blahblahgdp]

when i saw cecil vs godspeed, i legit thought i was losing my mind.

[@junior523]

If the dreamer episode was supposed to be a final crossover with Supergirl then why couldn't we have seen the only character who mattered, Supergirl herself?

[@spiriter9602]

The bad thing about speedster fights is that other things like the wind powers are barely used anymore

[@hadzisaniii]

I personally believe speedster effects are a bit much after Season 4. Back then you never used to actually see the speedster running or the lightning looking like Strings being pulled around. . .it was perfect and nice to watch. Nowadays they make light sabers with lightning, throw around lightning and even make shields and panels with it. It makes no sense

[@joshfactor1]

dude, seriously, everything you're saying is true but that's why when i look back on the series, i choose to look fondly on the good seasons & episodes

[@7llin315]

This season looks and is so garbage that it doesn’t even feel like the same show it once was in seasons 1 and 2

[@marcusyates3044]

So... Were the most of them just fillers?

[@ronavdaftary1252]

The sad truth

[@quantumpizza576]

In my opinion, Season 9 should have ended with the first episode of A New World- that's the perfect ending in my opinion, because it's where Barry's development into a superhero began- his powers just gave him the ability to save humanity in another way- but from his parents' death onwards, his story truly started

[@matthewdavies210]

Yo we really took Todd helbing for granted

[@JMaster9877]

Trying to cram everything they wanted into 13 episodes and wasting 1/3 (not counting Oliver episode) filler was gonna fail from the start

[@Maxippo]

Tom canavaghs chin strap for his reverse flash ruit in the finale doesn't even fit 😂

[@thereaper6754]

Rank all seasons of the arrowverse, I’m genuinely interested in seeing what you think is the worst season ever between Arrow S4, Supergirl S6, or Flash S7/9

[@platinumcomplex1335]

All the seasons of the arrowverse except Arrow S5 cause we all know what he'd rank that at lol

[@thereaper6754]

@@platinumcomplex1335 fr 💀

[@kale3144]

Im sorry, its called the Legion of **Zoom**? Bro who thought of that

[@deletedaccount7]

Can someone explain what happened to the red death? I finished the final season but like... Last i remember they made the cosmic treadmill explode by overloading it or something and that was it? Did i miss something? I don't remember that killing red death but after that it was like she literally just vanished into thin air?... Did she just decide to enjoy a Starbucks latte and live a normal life tf? What happened to her. Edit: am typing this before finishing the video because it just bothers me that much. So if it comes up later in the video that's why.

[@robertsims7828]

She was arrested and imprisoned by argus

[@deletedaccount7]

@@robertsims7828 thank you, i guess i just missed it somehow. x.x

[@treykennedy2913]

I genuinely didnt mind this season. I can tell grant gave it his all and the oliver episode and the 2000 episode was fantastic.

[@TheDrexLord]

OK in defense if the Cobalt blue ark, everything with Barry or with Eddie is pretty great, the side character arks are bad, but not the worst in the show, except mabey cicile in 9x12. And while the side character taking out the speedsters they do kinda make scenes, godspeed was taken out by Cicle who has been shown to be insanely powerful, and also its godspeed who really cares about the show version if him, savatar was taken out by a speedster, zoom was taken out by a God, and the only one not making scense is thawn, but it's still kinda less embarrassing as being taken out by barry sitting down in s8

[@thelegendhimself.]

Am i the only one that finds the overuse of the word "badass" in this season incredibly cringe? I dont remember episode in particular where they seemed to use that word for almost anything but it got super cringie super fast. Like i know they're trying to push a narrative but come on do it in a way thats not so obvious, is creative, and actually entertaining.

[@thesmellofadventure5370]

Episodes Ranked: 13: 9x06 The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly (Possibly the worst episode ever!) 12: 9x11 A New World Part 2: The Blues (Mad me so made bc it was just side characters) 11: 9x07 Wildest Dreams (So much potential wasted on a worthless filler) 10: 9x02 Hear No Evil (So mean spirited and straight up disrespectful) 9: 9x08 Partners In Time (Probably the most unneeded episode of the season) 8: 9x13 New World Part 4: Finale (Exactly how to not do a series finale!) 7: 9x03 Rogues of War (A mix of cringey dialogue, bad acting, and lame action) 6: 9x05 Mask of Red Death Part 2 (A terrible finale aside from Grodd appearing) 5: 9x12 New World Part 3: Changes (Better than the others but still not good at all!) 4: 9x04 Mask of Red Death Part 1 (This episode was alright but could’ve been amazing) 3: 9x01 Wednesday Ever After (A solid, really fun start to this garbage season) 2: 9x09 It’s My Party… (One of the best episodes ever! An emotional roller coaster!) 1: 9x10 New World Part 1: Reunions (Answered long running questions flawlessly)

[@arrownoir]

What a way to end the show.

[@Arthaslk67]

This wasn't a proper final season. Still, it's an end of an era. 😕😢

[@dr.cheetahshow7277]

They really prioritized quantity over quality after hearing everything that happened behind the scenes like Grant having Covid which is probably why we got so much Cecille If they really cared about the quality of the season they would’ve delayed it so we could’ve gotten about a story and even get Cisco back

[@nathanielfarkas4431]

This would of been my finale season of the flash. Episode 1-4: Red Death arc (but actully have red death killing multiple people, and the rouges being new Versions of captain cold, captain boomerang, rival, weather wizard. Have red death be batwoman from reverse flash point that the negative speed force saved. (Epsiode 4 would be the last crossover with batwoman) Because it’s the last season of the arrowverse my interlude’s would be Episode 5: would be a crossover with black lightning. Episode 6: a crossover with Supergirl (Supergirl not dreamer) Episode 7: Legends of tomorrow (resolve the cliffhanger) Epsiode 8: Keep it’s my party and I’ll die if I want to the same epsiode but change the title to The Guardian of the Multiverse A big difference would be we see Eddie’s back story from episode 10 and 11 play out over these 4 interludes. Now the final arc would be 5 episodes Epsiode 9: would be the same as the original episode 10 but instead of Joe attacking Barry a masked colbolt blue. Epsiode 10: If u need to give grant gustin a break that’s fine have iris the mane character of this episode have this epsiode eddie appearing to iris and him showing there life they could of lived. Episode 11: Barry Vs colbolt blue in the future, where Eddie is revealed to barry, actully have team flash old and Cecil left a long time ago. Episode 12: Eddie being a new speedster can’t defeat Barry alone so the final act of the episode have every speedster return including rivial, tragectory and even red death. The cliffhanger being the tragic death of team flash and Barry about to die. Epsiode 13 beings with the biggest battle in the flash history every speedster fighting Barry destory central city leading to Barry having to kill every single speedster before taking on colbolt blue for one epic fight where he is about to kill iris and baby Nora making Barry kill Eddie. Once the day is saved Barry decides to retire from the flash due to the events of the episode but decides to train some new speedsters we see him through 4 lightning bolts into the sky to strike 4 new people the 3 we have seen and the 4 bolt going back into to 2013. With the final words of the show being my name is Barry Allen and I was the fastest man alive.

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

Why fans arent writing the show This sounds so bad too You want barry to kill

[@nathanielfarkas4431]

@@TheHolySacred-Cow hahaha the flash is the man who has wiped people from existence multiple times hahah what about when he killed atom smasher not to mention he helped kill thinker, cicada 2 and many other times he has helped kill. Him having no choice but to kill his greatest enemies to save central city one last time is a better ending then Cecil and allega defeating speedster sounds like your Eric Wallace haha

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@nathanielfarkas4431 but when he has a choice not to and a different option He is not gonna do it Sorry but your plot sucks Eric 2.0

[@nathanielfarkas4431]

@@TheHolySacred-Cow hahaha see now your argument has changed so it’s okay to kill if he has to haha that’s the whole point of my story he has no other choice aha they have killed his friends and destroying this city for him to retire haha if your defending that ending you defs Eric Wallace haha

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@nathanielfarkas4431wtf Its always been a thing in flash

[@achitect2021]

The flash season 9 was bad because there never was any time to build up to anything but rather everything was just shoved in at the end which is why it made this entire season suck from beginning to end. I have to say that this season was the worst one of them All and I blame mostly the writing,I mean the season had some good ideas but unfortunately the writers were never able to implement it in a good/great way but rather they just threw everything into the screen hoping it would somehow make sense and be great at the same time but rather it just turned into a really hot mess

[@StephenLeGresley]

Please please do a video about how this show butchered characters from the comics. Adaptation always involves changes to the source material but this show went way to far. Cobalt Blue looked pretty close to his comic book counterpart (minus the cool blue wings). But his powers on the show were nothing like the comics, more like a combo of Reverse Flash and Eclipso. Zoom looked nothing like his comic book version and his powers were completely different. Godspeed looked right and had some of the same powers, but his personality was completely different. Savitar was nothing at all like his comic book version. Chester was nothing like Chunk in the comics. Despero was very different from the source material. They turned XS into a whining immature child. Red Death looked like a power rangers villain and was nothing like the comic book version.

[@HOLDENPOPE]

They don't have any obligation to make characters exactly like their comic book counterparts. CW Zoom is far more interesting and distinct from Reverse-Flash than Comics Zoom, even if Comics Zoom had a rather interesting method of super speed. The version of Slade Wilson in the Teen Titans cartoon is arguably the best version. And Savitar in the CW is so, so much better than the Comics, at the very least in design. I would call some of the changes butchering, but others improving.

[@StephenLeGresley]

@@HOLDENPOPE Whats the point of using a pre-established character if you change everything about them? Why not just create a new one? And thats your opinion, I find comic book Hunter Zolomon to be fascinating and different from most other Flash villains.

[@Vortex_ICEcold]

BRO USED TALK NO JUTSU TO END THE SHOW LMFAOOO

[@trevturp6891]

Iris West is easily the worst character on this show.

[@Fire_Crystal]

15:57 they never said it was the legion of zoom, they just said it was a legion

[@GameZone-ib7eu]

Later in the episode it was called Legion of Zoom

[@ArcTrooper269]

10:07 DIDN'T DEATHSTROKE KNIGHTS & DRAGONS PLOT REVOLVE ON HOW WRONG THAT THINKING WAS? _CW impresses me on how Contrary they takle some Pics on contrary statements_

[@runisa]

It’s called the legion of zoom because it’s like the legion of doom it’s not good but there’s the reason

[@christophertheriault3308]

So sad this show ended on such a whimper (or, given the season length, half a whimper). I had no appreciation for Eddie being a villain at the end as I was already sick of seeing reverse-flash popping up in every single season... I couldn't even keep up with all the BS explanations for why he kept coming back. It also got so frustrating watching Barry constantly forget he's the fastest man alive. Every season I'm literally yelling out "just stop them! Stop them now!" at the screen while I watch Barry stupidly standing there while the bad guys activate their powers. Even in the season 9 premiere why isn't Barry just instantly taking away the boomerangs when Captain Boomerang opens up his coat to show them off? Yet bad guys are always allowed to get the drop on him and he somehow can't find people who get away with maybe a 5-10 second lead on him (even if he doesn't know where they went, he can literally search the entire city in seconds). One of the reasons I appreciated guys like the pre-Crisis Snart and the Thinker is you've at least got bad guys here who can try and use their brains to figure out how to overcome a person that can react quicker than they can in every situation. I started watching this show with my wife from S1E1 but her enjoyment went down every season and I couldn't even get her to watch season 9.

[@Z-A-C]

You were a bit harsh on episode 1, that one was enjoyable because it was mainly focused on Barry

[@ionutcristian9650]

After the savitar ark, the show became unwatchable. I'm a flash fan and i just couldn't take it anymore. It wasn't great before that either but it was watchable.

[@junninhoo]

18:44 couldn’t have said it better😭