COOLER PERFORMANCE. The Salt Ice vs Regular Ice Debate.

[@shannonmurphy9790]

I love that you don't bicker back and forth, you simply get your steak out and show the results. I never knew adding salt to the ice would help keep my cooler so much colder. Thanks for the great tip!

[@letsgetkraken3167]

Good experiment clearly proving your point. In case you were wondering 1/4 cup salt in a 2 quart container will make a saline solution a close to average sea water (35 ppm salinity). You mix is a little saltier but not much. Sea water freezes at around 28.4 F, and I know first hand from working on boats in Alaska. Anyhow, the more salt you add the lower the freezing point gets, so your brine had to get a little below 28.4 F to freeze. That is why adding salt to a sidewalk causes the ice to melt. It lowers the freezing point of the ice by making it a salt brine.

[@edgeyer5992]

The boss is right. My wife's medicine comes shipped in a styrofoam cooler , full of cold packs. The liquid in the packs is salt water and cellulose gum ,if it's good enough for medical supplies should be good for steaks And beers!

[@mattwestfall8571]

I tried this last year for our 5 to 6 day camping trip. We came home with ice still in coolers and a couple of the salt ice bottles were still partially frozen. This works VERY well. Thank you for the info

[@Carnivor310]

Liquids transfer heat faster than solids. Saltwater is in a liquid state at a lower temp than regular water. Saltwater can be liquid at temps below 32F or 0C. That being said, it will cool products in a faster period of time, but not for a longer period of time.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

One steak froze and one didn't. WHO CARES WHY? Everybody paying attention? Don you're too much man :-D

[@danny88591]

Yeah but now you have a frozen bottle of salt water and a frozen steak in a cooler rather then bottle of frozen water and a unfrozen steak. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which steak is gonna last longer.

[@michaelmunoz7448]

Why wouldn’t you freeze both steaks first and see which one lasted longer? That’s the test, not to see which one freezes first.

[@robertshook6361]

YEP! Seeing is believing! Thanks Boss for the good backwoods logic! ✔️👍

[@MidwayShooter]

I'm no scientist either but I know those to steaks and a couple brown ales around a fire sound awesome! Cheers boss. 🍻

[@thebossoftheswamp]

That's what I'm talkin about :-)

[@carterhall2653]

You are correct sir, the salt water freezes at a much lower temperature than the tap water so its solid logic that it is at a lower temp in a frozen state. But the kicker here is duration that it stays frozen. The tap water will stay frozen longer by about 3 times that of what the salt water will remain in a frozen state. So with that, one must decide, do they want a cooler to stay colder than frozen tap water for much much shorter time period? Or do they want a cooler to stay cold as frozen tap water for a much longer time? I'm sure everyone has their reasons for needing a cooler to be cold as some are hauling frozen goods from store to home(short trip/ time line) or going to the lake and want to get the most affordable efficient cold storage for the duration of their camping trip? Good video and thanks is for sharing

[@DFGrill]

the best choice is to have both and to load the cooler with cold items so there is less thermal transfer warming up the cooler

[@west-Co_exploration]

That is definitely the issue. The salt water thaws much faster leaving a cooler with no ice at all... Since pre chilling a cooler is the best way to ensure things stay frozen in it longer I use the salted freezer bottles to chill the cooler to its coldest point before loading it with frozen food and plain ice bottles.

[@parrisestatessouthernhomec3246]

you are extremly wrong!! question why do you think salt is used in making of ice cream? heres the answer . sodium clhoride does not i repeat does not melt ice. in fact it works opposite sodium clhoride aka salt will lower the temp of room tep water from lets say 74 degrees to around 40.. yeah now thats science an theres a big difference between sea salt an sodium salt.. sea salt has a natural component called iodide an sodium clhoride doesnt. THANK GOD I WAS RAISED ON A FARM AN HAVE COMMONSENSE.!!!!

[@sixdogbob543]

I don't know much about ice cream but growing up in New England I know they use salt on the roads to PREVENT THEM from freezing, leading me to believe that salt water definitely thaws at a lower temperature than fresh water. You can't have it both ways my friend- salt water freezes at a lower temperature, thus having the potential to provide a colder cooler, but thaws at a lower temperature too, thus having a shorter lifespan inside that same cooler. There ya go.

[@wpwhittle]

Salt has a lower freezing temp yes... But just because it starts to thaw faster doesn't mean the temperature is higher... Let's say the salt water starts to thaw at 25 degrees vs the tap water 32, a 32 degree melted saltwater is still the same temp as the frozen tap water at 32..the point is that the saltwater starts your cooler at a cooler state. The salt on the roads help it to melt faster but the its still 'freezing'

[@shawnr771]

I made a liner for my cooler last year. Used 4 of the salt water bottles along with a entire case of regular drinking water bottles that I froze to take food with me to Big Bend Texas in August. I had another cooler solely to hold drinks without the liner. I added a bag of ice at each stop for gas to the drink cooler. Also at each stop I placed a small amount of ice on top of the food cooler. After four days in west Texas in August my food was still cold and several of the bottled waters were still frozen. I am going again this year and I can honestly say that the other cooler will have a liner and that there will be a several of the salt water bottles at the bottom. If you do not think it works then so be it. It helped keep my food cold. I now use the salt water bottles in the insulated bags that i place refrigerated and frozen products from the store in for the return trip. I have used the cold packs that you buy at walmart and they do not perform near as well as the salt water.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you for sharing your success report :-) I have gone out in my boat and had ice cream sandwiches stashed between 2 salt ice bottles and they were still frozen at lunchtime. YAY FOR SALT ICE :-))

[@richardstone5241]

Another GREAT show! I know why it works by the way but who cares as long as it works. GOD Bless.

[@Mysonsareghey47]

Don Aks and science is just the theory of man. You atheist can't ever just shut up and let people believe how they want to. Nobody needs your 2 cents worth.

[@c0niferal]

Please don't have this argument here

[@PalmettoParatrooper]

LOL Define existence Mr. Scientist.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you and blessings to you as well.

[@jdove6883]

Direct experience, observation and experimentation ALWAYS trumps book knowledge and I DO have a science degree.

[@turtlewalzer]

That's how I know the earth is flat.

[@positivemanda]

Truth with the science 😂 with the flat earth.

[@josephreagan9545]

@@turtlewalzer The ancient Greeks knew the world was round through direct experimentation and observation. Look up their methods.

[@dadgad68]

Already commented on FB but for the viewers here i've been using The Boss's salt water bottles since i've watched his video. They keep my fridge from running so much. Temp is on lowest setting and the thing hardly runs. Used them in a cooler as well. Couldn't be happier. Many thanks my friend. Great video demonstration. The proof's in the pudding. Take care.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Good thinking buddy. Keep on keepin on :-)

[@LindasPantry]

I love this and I totally believe this because I have done this with brine and it is amazing!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

It freezes everything in my cooler but yet it's no colder than clear ice. Amazing indeed :-))

[@mysteriomarvel933]

Hell yes thumbs-up for some good old backwoods logic...yessir!

[@Retinens704]

That is the best backwoods logic I have seen yet. You the tell em Boss

[@thebossoftheswamp]

LOL :-)

[@KDawg01]

I’m no rocket surgeon, but you sir have some good backwoods logic!!!!

[@KatahadinKookingMamaHomestead]

you made me chuckle at this one.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I laughed my way through it :-)

[@KatahadinKookingMamaHomestead]

I saw that I started too when you were explaining the video and why yo were doing it.

[@oldtexan]

Kinda reminded me of the old "Red Green Show". Good vid!

[@t.a.bernhardt7285]

I had no idea there was a huge debate going on JC! Jeez Louise! Nice of you to take the time to make this video. Of course I took your word for it way back. Science is one thing but practical application is your specialty and I'll take the latter any day! Hugs for my sweet boy Frankie!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I end up with a lot of debates, regardless what I post. People just can't handle simplicity and try to complicate everything. Crazy world out there Terry :-o

[@iscarwilly]

I like the salt water idea but now I won't have ice cold water to drink when I'm out in the middle of nowhere. Funny how there's always a give and take. Thanks Boss

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Pros and cons to everything :-)

[@betsyoman7173]

I don't like to drink water out of plastic bottles anyway. As the plastic freezes and thaws, some of the plastic chemicals get into the water.

[@bcgrittner8076]

You are correct, sir. Railroads learned this years ago. Prior to mechanical refrigeration the railroads used reefer cars that had ice bunkers in them. When the cargo had to be kept frozen solid the railroads used ice loading with a generous helping of salt. Ultimately, mechanical reefers took over to eliminate the need for periodic reloading of the ice. There are also railroad cars that have used cryogenics. Anyway, the salt ice does work. Good presentation.

[@zombieresponder]

I thought everyone knew to put rock salt in with ice to get things chilled faster. Sure works for getting a keg cold in a trashcan full of ice. LOL.

[@trudymaenza9672]

And rock salt is what is used to make homemade ice cream😊

[@carterhall2653]

Another point, you notice up north they salt the road to melt the ice right? It's because it transfer the cold from moisture to ground. This causes the ice to melt and the ground under it to get colder. There for salt ice doesn't last long. Sure it will freeze a steak but probably not for long as the ice in the bottle is absorbing the heat from the steak and basically trading places . It's a very short sighted win for saltwater as efficiency isn't there😉

[@backdoor5993]

Good post, thanks! If I can add my 2¢, adding salt to the water makes the water denser. This increase in density decreases the temperature necessary to freeze the water (e.g., 28 instead of 32ºF) and increases the time to thaw the water. It's a similar concept to why we add antifreeze to the radiator of our vehicles. Glycol freezes at a much lower temperature (~10ºF) than water. Brilliant idea!

[@banjosforbreakfast6086]

Salt is used to melt ice or to keep it from forming. I don’t doubt you have to get salt water colder to freeze. My question is “Which one lasts longer?” Does the salt in the ice cause it to melt sooner?

[@yvette5087]

Salted ice will stay frozen longer. Salt lowers the freezing temperature of water, and so yes salt water must be colder to freeze. The only reason salt melts ice (for instance on the road in winter) is because the water in snow/rain that freezes on the road is not salt water. When you put salt on that normal ice, it melts because the salt forces the air to be EVEN colder to be able to freeze water (remember the salt changed the freezing point of the water), and therefore since the air is no longer cold enough, the road ice melts. Thats why if it's an especially cold winter, salt stops working to melt ice as the temperature gets colder and colder. Salt does not heat up nor invite heat onto the ice, it simply changes the properties of water. Basically salt water takes longer/colder to freeze and longer to melt so it's good for keeping a cooler cold. :)

[@banjosforbreakfast6086]

Thank you for the reply. I'm still processing this. If salt water freezes at a lower temperature than fresh water, then it also melts at a lower temperature. Therefore, I'm not sure it takes longer to melt. If it helps get the interior of cooler to an overall lower temperature, it would take longer for the contents of the cooler to arrive at room temperature.

[@bryanr.3241]

That's why your the Boss !!! Interesting test , I just learned something new. Thank you Boss

[@lynndutt2219]

Me, too, Bryan.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Don't try this at home haha

[@lynndutt2219]

LOL!!!! You bet I'm going to!

[@bryanr.3241]

Lynn Dutt Yupper 👍👍

[@wn8022]

Wow. I’m impressed. I’m doing this now with my cooler. 👍👍👍

[@desertcandle1]

Good for you. I will be doing salt water in my coolers from now on. Thanks Boss.

[@Korbin57]

You are using the same physics that people use when making ice cream in an old fashion ice cream machine using ice and rock salt. It's a method that is very old. Not many people know about it today. Great video.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Agreed. Some old time principles offer the best results :-)

[@warhammer2779]

Good stuff. Science is science. Don't need a long page of calculations to show salt ice stays cooler than regular ice. If it can be duplicated and reproduced...it's been proven.

[@matthewwarfield4302]

Apparently those fools have never made ice cream!

[@mikekennedy3173]

Right on! Much appreciate your wisdom! I have been a lineman for almost 34 years and am now traveling with camper and my wife was wanting a cooler to keep stuff cold. Today I am heading to get some of that aluminum bubble and aluminum tape and follow your suggestion about you salt water bottles. Thank you

[@thebossoftheswamp]

You won't regret it. Happy Trails :-))

[@Saddendude]

We are dealing with a phase change. When ice melts it absorbs heat until it melts. In a cooler your temperature will be stuck where this phase change occurs until all the ice has melted. When we add salt too the ice we change what temperature the phase change occurs at. Making it much lower. Soo in short yes it will make your cooler colder. BUT. I don't think it will make the cooler stay cold longer, given the same amount of ice is used. As XXXpds of ice, can still only absorb YYY amount of heat. If anything it should not last as long, as the phase change is occurring sooner requiring less energy (in the form of heat) too occur.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Whatever is happening it's doing my cooler good :-))

[@Saddendude]

Gonna try rock salt in my yeti

[@Nichama70]

This guy gets it.

[@barrelgardener7527]

Thanks, I was looking for ways to keep some sports pops frozen for working outside in the heat. Think this will work.

[@JoshuaSmithHomesteader]

Its not what you know, its what you know works! Cheers!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

...and works well :-))

[@garisfamilychannel6160]

Yes

[@Dr.MartinLiu]

What a GREAT show of the evidence!!!!! NICE, BOSS! I GOT GO TO TRY IT!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you :-)

[@Prometheus203]

Ice is crystallized solid water. If the environment is -20 degrees Fahrenheit than the solid ice will be -20 degrees, the ice doesn't magically retain heat energy and stay at 32. If you alter the waters chemistry with something like salt or antifreeze and change its freezing point its still -20 degrees even if its in a liquid state. So yes the water with salt can be a liquid and be much colder than 32 degree Fahrenheit. Liquid water which envelopes an item is also more able to conduct heat than solid ice so it will cool things more effectively. The rate of warming is equivalent to regular ice because the specific heat capacity of the water doesn't change based on its state. That is to say it won't warm at a different rate, it may however absorb more heat from the environment more quickly due it its higher thermal conductivity.

[@johnparker2049]

I'm getting a brain freeze on this one!

[@abitofthisabitofthatwithda5379]

i just heard ass cheeks flapping. now explain how the steak froze quicker under the saltwater bottle the the the one under the regular water bottle then, while in the same cooler?

[@Prometheus203]

The salt water has a lower melting point at which it returns to a liquid state, liquids form convective currents which allow for thermal dissipation across a larger medium while solids do not. Therefore the greater quantity of liquid in the salt bottle transferred more heat away from the steak than the solid ice was able to during the given period of time. The overall temperature of the material in the bottles is the same but the way in which the energy is absorbed is physically different. In physics this is known as entropy.

[@abitofthisabitofthatwithda5379]

even a dummy like me can understand this one. LOL!! your first post laid out a few wrinkles in my gray matter. LOL!! and srry if i offended you in any way. it was not meant to.

[@sirkubax]

Few things are not so clear here. @thebossoftheswamp claim that the salt water stay cold longer than the 'pure water' - when placed in the room temperature. I'd still consider that the heat capacity of salt water is higher than regular water (books.google.pl/books?id=GnNuBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=salt+water+ice+heat+capacity+kj&source=bl&ots=TXPF8Xnde7&sig=dO0pi6VNPwQNOJlkczfILrqBbVA&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ9bnQxJHQAhUBCSwKHWgVCAMQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=salt%20water%20ice%20heat%20capacity%20kj&f=false) Though the idea of different freezing point is good!

[@876Crash]

Hi JC, I saw your first video on this subject, and that same day I filled 2 - 1 gal jugs with water and 1/2 cup of table salt each. I found it took a lot longer for it to freeze, but also, on the other side, it lasted a lot longer and seemed to keep things colder. Thank you for all your videos and your great advice. Take Care.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Glad you enjoy them and thank you for saying so.

[@biggysground]

Guess they never made home made ice cream before. We would add rock salt to the ice to speed up the mixture freezing. My arm hurts just thinking about cranking that old machine. Those were the days!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Those were the days for sure.

[@jamulAK]

Best ice cream ever though!

[@thereynolds2725]

That's not why your arm hurts...

[@jerishull1860]

Makes sense to me, when I was young we made homemade ice cream by adding salt to the ice while churning to freeze the cream. Also, I have been adding bottles of water to my freezer to use up air space. If I put salt in those containers, will that help the efficiency of the freezer since they will be colder?

[@Tallnerdyguy]

not really, as they will take more energy to freeze.

[@timknoerle6896]

Way to go JC! What a GREAT show of the evidence! I loved that!!! I'm taking YOUR advice...to heck with all the nay-sayers!

[@garywattier4904]

Hey JC, Two things about freezing salt water to make food colder. 1. Home made ice cream is made frozen by using salt and regular ice to make brine. this in turn makes the ice colder and freezes the mixture freeze in ice cream freezer. I, know, I turned many ice cream freezers in my time. 2. How was ice made in the summertime when there was no freezing weather to freeze the water. Ice houses used rock salt and water mixture as a brine t freeze the water for people to use to keep their refrigerators cold in their homes. You are absolutely right, it woks great. Thanks for the video.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Lots of comments about ice cream and now I want some haha

[@opcn18]

Getting colder and lasting longer aren't the same thing. Each bottle of ice is going to absorb a certain amount of heat while it comes up to the temperature of its environment, and most significantly while it thaws. If they are both approximately the same mass, and both approximately the same temperature coming out of the freezer, the salt ice will start soaking up heat to go through the phase change at a much lower temperature, meaning it will bring its environment down in temperature more rapidly. With a lower melting point the salt ice will go through that phase change at a lower temperature and keep your food colder while it's still ice, but that colder temp means that heat is going to cross from the outside into the cooler at a faster rate and it won't take as long until the total heat absorptive power of the salt ice is consumed.

[@lewisconboy1765]

Can we just agree that the salt ice froze the steak and the normal ice didnt, no need for further debate

[@lewisconboy1765]

Because some people may want to keep there food frozen to make the food last longer? no? (not arguing btw)

[@opcn18]

Lewis Conboy A cooler does not keep anything cold long enough that being kept frozen versus being kept cool matters. Regular ice can keep your food at ~33 f for days (if you pack enough ice and have a good cooler), salt ice can keep your food at ~16 f for less time. Neither can keep food cool or cold long enough for that temperature difference to matter.

[@lewisconboy1765]

regardless, i will just say to each there own :)

[@opcn18]

Lewis Conboy You keep talking, yet you claimed not to want to argue. No, each person does not get their own facts and reality. Salt water ice does not last longer than freshwater ice lowered to the same temperature. Period. End of sentence.

[@Chucho_Q]

Love it! Thanks for sharing. I'm a competion bbq cook and have been looking at new ways to keep my coolers colder for longer periods of time. Going to run my own experiments now. You've glt a new subscriber here.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

This works really good for me and a bottle or two of salt ice will keep your regular ice frozen longer. Don't let anybody tell you any different. Cheers :-)

[@LibertyFirst1789]

No matter how you want to slice this _your freezer is the exact same temperature for all things in it._ One thing doesn't "get colder" than the other. At what temperature those things transfer their heat to their environment is an entirely different matter. Grab a solid frozen copper orb or one of plastic and you'll know exactly what I mean. Also, if this some how, magically and in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics, makes ice "colder" then wouldn't roads freeze when they put salt on them?

[@JasonHenderson]

they put salt on roads because it lowers the freezing point of water. lower freezing point means it will stay water longer before it turns into ice. wet roads are more better than ice roads.

[@KennyInVegas]

I used that foil lined bubble wrap on our travel trailer windows...... helps A LOT!!! Had some left-overs but will line our cooler with that stuff. Thanks for videos!!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Many uses for this stuff :-)

[@matt4270]

The offshore fisherman in my area have always used salt water ice to really put the deep freeze on their catch.

[@hollickrichard]

I'm sure your spot on there could be another reason for that too though ice making plants onshore are going to be right there where the boats tie up and if the more modern boats have ice making equipment on board where is the closest source of large amounts of water to be found.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

It works awesome. Just plain awesome :-)

[@ronyoung9920]

We were sold on the original video. Salt ice in a Yeti cooler at our camp lasts for 4 days in the summer. We just returned from the camp after 4 days and they are still frozen. Thanks for the Backwoods Logic. Ron.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

The salt ice is amazing stuff :-))

[@ExploringJeeps]

OK, here's the deal. Salt Ice wins in every metric. But not by much. Why does it freeze things quicker? Because it is changing from solid to liquid sooner. This phase change, believe it or not, requires heat from the surrounding area. Overall the temperature inside the cooler is an average of all of the objects in there. Give it enough time and all objects will get to the same temperature. The Salt water wins overall because it has more thermal mass than just water ice. That average temperature of the whole cooler with salt ice, will be lower due to there being more mass. Not a big deal though. For short trips where you want to freeze something, salt ice is better. For a long trip where you just want to keep a drink cold, it doesn't really matter. Though here are two reasons to use fresh water. 1. You can drink it later if you need to. 2. Who wants a frozen steak? Thanks for the video!

[@Dionisio181]

Exploring Jeeps easy! Use freeze gatorade or powerade, both are salt drinks ;)

[@benjaminkoenig336]

true. Question... would the regular ice then last longer? The salt ice melts more quickly. So for more immediate results, you can use the salt ice.

[@backyardmeat]

It's so nice to have so many experts to help us out :) nice looking NY's too

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Good to hear from you buddy. Haven't seen you posting in a long time.

[@backyardmeat]

thebossoftheswamp Life of a farmer, dawn till dusk 7 days a week...and loving it, I just posted a uneventful elk hunt if you.re board and what to become more so :)

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I'll go find it. Funny I didn't get any notification of your posting. Cheers :-)

[@pamjones6465]

Looks like the salt water takes it. Love it. :) Great tip. Thanks.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Salt water wins :-)

[@neuronaut414]

Laws of physics are never wrong, and agree with your experiment. The "scientists" saying otherwise are obviously those that didn't pay attention to the most basic principles in class . I have a PhD in a science field AND an avid outdoor enthusiast-its a scientific fact that salt decreases the freezing temp of water. No experiment necessary as that was done over 200 years ago, but nice demonstration for the D students in both academia and experience!

[@NeilPost71]

Boss that salt ice might be colder but it tastes terrible in my Jamisons!😝

[@thebossoftheswamp]

LOL :-)

[@johnplouffe3673]

That's absolutely amazing what saltwater frozen water will do to your food when I move to my off-grid property I'm definitely going to use that method thanks a lot . I also like you're free freezer that's built into your house

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you.

[@williamreeder2811]

Problem is=I can't drink frozen beer...

[@klosnoski]

Sure ya can. Just let it thaw a bit and you got an a man slushie

[@preachersdayoff]

I've always said what people need the most is logic and common sense. You can get an 8yr degree and never gain either. Your backwoods logic series is excellent. Thanks Boss

[@thebossoftheswamp]

High education and high income is great but just not needed for the lifestyle I chose to live. The proof is in the pudding and frozen pudding is frozen pudding :-)

[@TroutFink]

Nothing better than some fresh college grad thinking he knows everything about the world because he took a $6500 science class...then an old dog steps in showing him how the world works for free.

[@alanj7306]

Isn’t that the truth. I’v been a registered nurse for over 12 years and have always said there isn’t anything scarier or worse than a new grad that thinks they know everything.

[@TroutFink]

@@alanj7306 🙏

[@daviddixon1058]

​@@alanj7306 It really cuts both ways... Plenty of "experienced" people out there that think they know everything.

[@spongebobbatteries]

I am a recent grad. And I feel the opposite. I feel I have the world to learn. Sure, I am confident in some of the topics I really applied myself to. But I know enough to know that there is so much I don't know and must research on my own

[@TroutFink]

@@spongebobbatteries Shut up green horn!! That made no sense and nobody with any talent in your industry doesn’t gives two fucks what you think. Show your comment to the boss tomorrow at 8am. Bet you don’t make till 5pm 😂 Ignorance is bliss youngster. Your ego is writing checks and the bank of life knows your credit score.

[@HawkNutz84]

This works great for my beer, My fridge sucks, Hardly keeps my beer cold and when i get home from work i like a nice ice cold beer. So i just mix water and ice with salt and let sit for about 15 minutes and now we got ice cold beer :) Yesterday i put my beer in the freezer for one hour and today i did the ice and salt for 15 minutes, The ice and salt after only 15 minutes is far colder then the hour in sat in the freezer. Love this trick :)

[@Thesupersmith79]

Hey Boss, those educated scientists should chat with some fisherman.... They always use salt with the ice because it makes it colder, its something about any ice melt w/o salt is at or above 32 degrees. and with salt, the melt ice is much colder (depending on the mixture of salt to water/ice) it could be 28 degrees or less, this is possible because the salt changes the properties of crystal formation in water at any given temperature with salt present.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Agreed :-)

[@julieslittlehouse4411]

It IS true. You are so right. I tried it and I am not sure why, but it does work. The only thing I can think of is that it's like when you make ice cream...that's why you have to add salt to the ice because it freezes the cream. Love it!!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

It works and I don't care why. Life is what you make of it and I make salt ice lol :-)

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

Now let's see you do that same 'experiment' with some rigor. Freeze both bottles for 24 hours, put them in the cooler with the steaks for 24 hours and then stick a thermometer in each steak. They'll be the same temperature.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

More ice experiments coming soon :-)

[@quarterhorsgirl]

I used to trail ride a lot. We always had rock salt for the saddlebags and the coolers. It works! I like your bottles.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Salt ice is awesome :-)

[@daphotoguy7689]

Why not use a thermometer????????

[@garisfamilychannel6160]

Thermometer would be good to but he are ready proved it with the meat

[@sevensix9258]

My father was the president of Arkansas Agricultural Aviation Association of America. We had the biggest crushed ice machine you could buy at the time. I would put the cooler full of ice and beer and then put salt on it and it would only take 15 minutes before it was ice cold. It wold never freeze, but it would melt the ice. No problem after that, but it is the fast way to get something very cold. I now live in Mississippi and I am a subscriber.

[@sevensix9258]

BTW there has never been a problem with a little salt on an ice cold beer as far as I'm concerned.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

My dad used to shake a little salt in a beer now and then. I think my uncle did as well back in the day.

[@MasterCrafter930]

salt ice is the 0 degrees farenheit scale...Regular ice is 32 degree farenheit regular ice is 0 degree celcius scale...salt ice is -17 celcius

[@OneCloudyDayAL]

Freezing point being lower does not necessarily mean that the ice is lower temp. Put both in zero degrees, and they both will come out at zero degrees, but the salt ice will melt faster and freeze everything next to it by sucking the heat from it as it melts.

[@MasterCrafter930]

yeah, Im saying how salt ice is a lower temp, not freezing temp, how it actually is a lower temp than regular ice

[@1jw769]

Hi boss, of course it makes sense. Increasing the concentration of the salt decreases the specific heat capacity (the amount of heat it takes to raise it temp) of the water. When salt is dissolved in water, the ions are held rigid cage of water molecules.This reduces the motions of its molecules . If you have a question just ask an mechanical engineer:)

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Makes good sense to me :-))

[@JasonHenderson]

"i'm not a scientist here" 2 seconds later... "i'm gonna do a little experiment here"

[@nerd1900]

in a sense you both were right. saltwater ice is as cold as water ice if we are talking about the temperature. both of them would be - 18-degree Celsius if you keep them both in the same freezer for a LONG ENOUGH TIME. but salt water ice would take more energy than the water ice to raise/drop 1 degree. so it would stay cold for longer when moving them into a room temp from -18 freezer. BUT --- saltwater ice also takes longer to reach -18 degree. so you need to leave them in the freezer for a longer time to reach -18. I really like your video, because you give me some good examples, please also accept your word "colder" has a different definition than some other people. so don't be pissed off. keep up the good work.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I don't get pissed off that easy lol... but I do find the salt ice debate pretty entertaining. When I travel for long periods of time, I pack my cooler with a good amount of frozen food. The salt ice keeps it frozen for a MUCH longer period of time. It thaws out quick with regular ice. Thanks for your input :-)

[@hickoryhomes6838]

I'm sure the smart on-the-line Scientists will identify something you did wrong with your experiment as we're too simple to know what we're doing........common sense isn't so common anymore especially with academic elitists and that's just sad. Thanks for the laugh and the good logic too. By the way, I closed on my 8.5 acres of land in Wisconsin yesterday so domino #1 has fallen for my very own backwoods homestead, it feels good.

[@IronClad292]

Awesome !! Congrats on the property purchase !! That domino fell for me in September of last year. Hope everything goes well in your endeavor !!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Congrats my friend. Fulfill those dreams one Domino at a time :-))

[@hickoryhomes6838]

Thank you IronClad - it's really a great feeling to own a prime chunk of forested land as it's been in the works for a long time. Congrats on your progress a year ago too.

[@hickoryhomes6838]

Thanks Boss - now total focus on a small, simple and smart place like your Backwoods Cabin to be started in the spring. I can't wait, I'm just following your guidance of one small baby step at a time and it's amazing what can be accomplished in a short amount of time. Cheers to you and Franklin.

[@hamlltonhope8123]

You can also use frozen beer tinnies, these get so cold your skin sticks to the tin, I would throw a slab ( carton 24 ) in the chest freezer before goin bush. Our Aussie beer XXXX cans never popped, they just bloated a bit, you get a nasty surprise if you try to open them before they're defrosted. I would sometimes have to put them over the gas burner for awhile so you could drink them.

[@JamesRichards]

This is a great demonstration of what happens after 5 hours but what happens after 10 hours, 15 hours etc. It does not demonstrate that it keeps things colder for longer. I does show that it keeps things colder in the short term. I don't know the answer to this question, but after watching your video I still don't know! I like to put extra freezer packs in my freezer so that when the power goes out I can keep things cool for as LONG as possible. To all the people that talk about adding ice to make ice cream, that is (I think) a totally different process based on a chemical endothermic reaction. I don't think it applies here. I am all for an empirical proof but in this case you are only looking at part of the problem.

[@JEFF1Z]

Cold plates in a ice cream truck work about the same way we could get 8 - 10 hours in summer Florida weather it does work well

[@williamterry3177]

Just bought a Yetiiii competitor, Lifetime made in the USA cooler at Walmart. Thought about adding salt and how to do it. You made my day. Looking forward to using your method. Thanks for posting.

[@linejumper8204]

I have two 4L juice jugs I did this with but I added in some green food colour. I sometimes find them sitting outside the freezer and have to remind her to leave my fishing ice alone.

[@rossrichards5936]

Ha! I love it!! That is why you put ice cream salt in a home made ice cream maker!!! Hell! If you didn't you'd be cranking on it until next week and the custard would still NEVER freeze!!! Thank you for sharing! Great video!!

[@tomyot77]

Thanks again for the salt idea. I tried too much salt and would not freeze. I wish I had saw your how to make a regular cooler work better and saved 100 dollars.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

The foil lined coolers work great.

[@Joesfosterdogs]

Do you have a video on Getting Started: Basic of Homesteading or RV/Van Living off Grid? What are the essential items on a shopping list kinda thing...THANKS for the wisdom!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I don;t but thanks for the suggestion.

[@ChadMorgan709]

Makes perfect sense to me too. That's some good backwoods logic. Cheers till the next one!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

But it's not that the ice is colder, it's because it pulled more heat out of the steak... so I'm told :-/

[@ChadMorgan709]

Haha...isn't that the same thing? I would think that because it has salt in it that it would have a colder freezing temp than regular water. Therefore it should be colder.

[@kirkhobbs9003]

Hey there Boss - that was a great fun vid to prove that some things in life don't always have to be over complicated or over schooled . Some good back woods logic goes a long ways & that was a home run in my books - good one ,. Be safe - enjoy your fall weather there & happy huntin J C - best wishes always - have a grand day - kirk out for now : PS - how's Frankie doing

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Science can explain it in technical terms but who cares? frozen is frozen and I'm sold on that. Cheers buddy.

[@Ballenxj]

Excellent demonstration, thanks and thumb up.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you

[@paully069]

The problem with Teacher's/Scientist or just plain educators is they always think they are the smartest person in the room ! They need to stop talking and start listening then they will get educated ! Great video as always Bossman !

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I'm fine with science and education when it's put to good use but so often it is not. I'm getting hoards of scientific data explaining why the salt is not colder and that salt ice pulls the heat from the steak faster than clear ice. OK... then explain to my why a cooler full of salt ice will be a shitload colder than one with clear ice. My video was titled "How to make your cooler stay cooler" and I showed how. My goodness now wonder why I drink :-o

[@livefreeordie4850]

Already done a similar experiment. Salt ice takes longer to freeze & is colder by up to 5 degrees. However, salt water ice thaws significant quicker. That's why they use it on snow or ice in the winter time on the roads. We also used salt as a kid to make homemade ice cream as it would break down regular ice cubes quickly while keeping the water very cold.

[@zacksrandomprojects9698]

Great video! I just started putting rock salt in my coolers when we go on the boat or camping or riding our side by sides and it makes a huge difference!

[@hairfarmer07]

Yaaaaaaaaaa. Always puts a smile on my face. Lol. We flash freeze our bait in salt brine. For salt water inshore fishing here on southern Cali.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I bet you can flash freeze diddly squat with regular ice haha

[@UncleSasquatchOutdoors]

Good video! We used ice cream salt as a kid down here in the South to make the ice work better to freeze ice cream in an ice cream churn!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Couldn't make it without the salt :-)

[@reginaldshannon4220]

The salt water ice project has been very helpful to me. And will be using it to transport my food from my home to my off grid. Holiday. Home. Thanks from Reg. In 🇮🇪

[@sellC1964]

I would suggest the same test again but instead of using a salt water solution, try non-toxic antifreeze. It won't do a phase shift like the plain water,but it should freeze the steak.

[@milenkosoe]

Just found your video. Thank you. I recently built what is called a “Redneck Cooler” and was looking for ways to keep ice cold ice to stay the longest. So I dug through the trash and grabbed three two liters, added 1/2 cup of salt to each. They are currently in the freezer. I also left one without salt, just to see first hand for myself (and I’m almost out of salt now lol). So just wanted to give your video a like and this comment. Take care!

[@mrkeopele]

EXACTLY RIGHT!! don't need science, if you can use your own senses! ive seen it proven with a digital thermometer too, but I LOVE THIS THANKS

[@billcallahan2830]

Absolutely right. Fishermen been using it for years. Both freezing and chillin . If you can't keep your live bait alive put in a watertight plastic bag and a ice water salt solution. Will preserve eye tint. (No haze) when it comes to big eyes in the big pond makes all the difference. Walking and wading a brook brings me as much joy as landing a 500lb tuna. Mother Nature at her best. Always handline makes for an even fight. Time for me to stop don't have the strength anymore. Not ready fo rod and reel. Denial on my end. lol. Keep going. May God watch over you.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Blessings to you as well Bill :-)

[@Grmlin67]

Good job JC way to show them it works. Friend of ours used to do this to bring temperatures down faster not just for the beer but when he had to keep other things colder longer on his boat until he could get back to shore and refrigerate the days catch.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

It just plain works and works well regardless of the science behind it.

[@Aint1S]

If they had a degree, it came from a Cracker Jack box! Basic chemistry lessons show you that the salt ice is more efficient. I came for a real world comparison to see how much and your test is actually helpful for what I wanted to know. Thank you

[@cheriettejackson4248]

You're right, Boss! "Pure" water undergoes a phase change (freezes) at 32F. Once you add something in solution (salt, sugar, GatorAde, chocolate syrup, etc) it is no longer "pure water", and will freeze at a different temp. It will also melt at a different temp, and also boil at such. All these temps are based on "pure" water. Add salt - and it's not "pure" any more!

[@almchugh417]

Cheriette Jackson

[@lynnmorrison4843]

Great video JC. For some reason having the truth on your side doesn't matter much these days. It doesn't have to come from the backwoods .... what works is what works. Thank you so much for the inspiration to follow what I know is right, All my properties are up for sale. With some luck I will be looking for my patch of woods soon. God bless.

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Best of luck with your plans my friend. Live on :-)

[@daleswier8429]

Great video, Boss. And you are so correct. I'd not seen or heard of the steak test you performed but I am impressed. I tried the salt water in the juice jugs for my cooler while camping, and it stays frozen a lot longer as you said in previous videos. So thanks for that. One thing that is kind of related, is when I was a kid we'd make home made ice cream in the old hand crank ice cream makers. After the recipe was placed inside the canister, the snow or ice was added to the bucket, with rock salt. Then crank and make ice cream. Try that without the rock salt, and one can crank for what seems an eternity, and the end result is you may still not have any home made ice cream. Just slurried recipe in its canister. Chears my Friend! :-)

[@thebossoftheswamp]

I don't think it's even possible to create ice cream without salting the ice. If I fill 2 coolers with cubes and throw salt over the cubes in one cooler, the temp in that cooler will plummet like crazy but they're still posting and saying salt ice is not colder. I can't argue with science. I quit :-/

[@willpinder6833]

When I used to go pigeon hunting we used to freeze gallon bottles of saltwater for ice for the cooler it used to freeze the coke sodas and sometimes cause them to bust

[@thebossoftheswamp]

They'll freeze everything they touch, which means they'll keep your regular ice frozen longer. Put both in your cooler.

[@deanswift2452]

Good one JC. How's the hunting going? I'm disappointed. I've seen very few deer, and very little sight. Hopefully t Hingis will pick up later on in the season. Best to you. Dean

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Hunting is lousy and that's why I'm in front of my laptop at 6:45 and not in my treestand haha. We should get together for a beer buddy.

[@Mysonsareghey47]

When I was younger I sprinkled rock salt in my cooler to make my beer colder while I was a the drag strip all afternoon and I ended up with frozen beer. It sucked because it was summer time in the south and I had to let my beer defrost. Lol Thanks for the demo Boss!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

But they say salt ice is no colder than regular ice lol :-D

[@Biglandtrapper]

Freshwater ponds will always freeze over before the ocean, ponds freeze at o Celsius but the ocean around -2 Celsius from what I can remember, so salt water ice must be colder. Saltwater gets more dense as it gets colder, we can see the difference between fishing in the summer to fishing in the late fall...Brackish water would be somewhere between the two depending on salt content... Totally agree with you Boss, the salt water ice is the way to go.....Interesting video as always, take care my friend..

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Regardless of the science behind it, it works slick and those beer are frosty... yessha :-)))

[@Retrocomputernerd]

So now the question is should you fill the open air space in the cooler with frozen salt water from an ice tray?

[@paulalusk5586]

I made your salt ice just like you instructed. I also lined my cooler with the foil bubble wrap insulation. It works GREAT! I figured if it worked for you, it would work for me. Thanks

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Thank you for your success report :-)

[@Thisguysimon]

I wonder if you'd be able to freeze food in the insulated cooler for longer periods of time? This is a great idea. Thanks for sharing!

[@thebossoftheswamp]

Absolutely. I fill one cooler with regular food and one with frozen food and still have frozen food after 6 days out. Cheers :-)