Restoring A Trashed Bass Trombone Project #1

This is the first video in the "Restoring A Trashed Bass Trombone" series. In this video, Art Tells about the trombone and takes apart the bell section.
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[@optiTHOMAS]

Very interesting old trombone and unconventional design! The method for pulling out the tuning slides was absolutely brilliant! 😁👍🏻

[@MikeRotch69420]

The second valve likely lowers it to E. It is more common in the older bass trombones cause it allows the player to play low B at the end of the slide.

[@andrewhall2554]

Looking at the length of the crook on the second rotor, I would have to agree. I have an old Bach bass trombone with dual rotors that make it play in F and Eb. The Eb crook on that horn is roughly twice the length of the crook on the second rotor on this horn. That makes sense since on my Bach the small crook lowers the pitch a whole step while on this horn the small crook lowers the pitch only a half step.

[@ScottyGMusic]

I just bought one of these for $50. The slide is actually in pretty good shape. I took it to the shop to get a cleaning right away.

[@bobbycorbin742]

I’m a drummer and I’m happy when I see broken sticks getting a new lease on life instead of ending up in a landfill

[@JonBlondell]

That horn is a helluva lot older than 1972!!

[@jamesbrownjr.5074]

You have some genius methods for repairing trombones.

[@lotsabirds]

Is that a dual bore? I just finished a 1923 OLDS , Los Angeles made...dual bore and also tunable slide. I didnt know they made them tunable into the 70s. Thats cool. Weight not an issue on a tenor. I could see it adding weight on a bass. PS...I got it out eventually but I got a dent ball stuck inside! No fun....

[@adrielreyes6471]

Yes, it has dual bore (.554-.565)

[@bonemack]

Love these. Can’t wait to see your approach to the main slide. I have a couple of slides in that same predicament but not a full shop to work on it. Kept them around to some day see what type of magic could be worked on them.

[@BruceEEvans1]

Those rubber rings are called O rings and you can buy a selection of them at a place like Home Depot or any good hardware store.

[@Joiblim]

Awesome video So specific and clear, please continue making videos like this Greetings from Brazil

[@tjsogmc]

I wish somebody would throw away something like that in my direction.... Good job on the restoration. How much does a project like that cost? I have a valve trombone pre-1917 that needs some work.

[@michaelconkey7684]

Very cool! If you don’t have a buyer lined up already for this horn when you finish it, let me know, I’d be very interested in purchasing it from you. Looking forward to more videos of this project!

[@artgoat]

The rubber ring is a standard O-ring. You can replace them at hardware stores that sell plumbing parts, or auto parts supplies. You could also cut a piece of rubber tubing as a pad.

[@BruceEEvans1]

"If you don't know what you are doing, you probably should not take them (Rotary valves) apart." But the way you learn what you are doing is by taking them apart.

[@patoni860]

I've learned so much from you... Thank you very much. I have enough knowledge to open up a shop to repair trumpets. And a little bit more I will know saxophones flutes and clarinets... I appreciate you

[@jorymil]

Those valve springs remind me of cantilever brakes on bicycles: many frames even have the three holes to adjust tension. The o-rings look about the size of "cable donuts" used for bicycles as well.

[@lotsabirds]

Look for nitrile rubber o rings....measure inside and outside diameter. Ive seen them about that size. Similar to ones used inside aquarium pumps.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

What would really make this design more practical for all trombones is if they made the slide tubes a bit thinner to make them weigh less.

[@eliezertapia9216]

I will like to have my old trumpet restore.Can you do it for ?

[@Markworth]

Just get one of those green o-ring kits from an auto parts store (or the internet). That o-ring will be one of the two smallest sizes. Technically, you could also repair the old o-ring with the appropriate glue, but why bother? Those rotors seemed pretty clever until you disassembled them. Now you've got yourself a nice little nightmare to reassemble. Hope all of the original tick marks are accurate!

[@TheBrassandWoodwindShop]

Thank you for the information about the O-rings. I will try that.

[@tadasv4143]

Is there any chance you are selling that conn weight balance from the horn you showed at 4:00? :) I'm looking for weight balance for my Conn 12H

[@TheBrassandWoodwindShop]

That trombone belongs to a friend.

[@tadasv4143]

@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop thanks for answer :)

[@Samuel-ln6qu]

16:56 😂 thanks for the tip

[@adrielreyes6471]

S-23 Super Bass Trombone

[@amsmithonline]

Art, the rubber ring looks like a standard buna o-ring. Measure the outside diameter of the good one and the diameter of the rubber cord and find it here. www.mcmaster.com/o-rings/oil-resistant-buna-n-o-rings-8/ Once you have the dash number, check with a good hardware store and they might carry them. From a hardware store you can buy one or two whereas from McMaster you'll need to buy a small quantity.

[@lotsabirds]

I've see rotors similar to that on really old russian/polish/ukranian....alto/tenor horns.

[@brhim5731]

The second trigger actually raises the pitch? That's awfully strange.

[@TheMrAshley2010]

I think he misspoke. You can get a good view of the bell section at 7:48. It looks to me like the second valve will make it Eb, not G. Another common second valve is D. But there doesn't appear to be enough tubing to go down that far.

[@Sherman1fan]

@@TheMrAshley2010 If it was an independent system, then the 2nd valve would lower to G (or Gb) by itself. On this trombone the 2nd valve would lower to Eb. Maybe an explanation of independent vs. dependent bass trombone will be in the next video.

[@TheMrAshley2010]

@@Sherman1fan ​Precisely. That's why I checked the video for a good shot of the bell, to make sure they are dependent valves, before making the call. How 'bout that 'kink' in the slide though? This should be an interesting series to watch.

[@bonemack]

It’s a “G” valve in that it is shorter in length than the F valve. On an independent rotor system, it would put the instrument in G if engaged by itself. On a dependent system, it should place the instrument in “D” when engaged with the F valve.

[@bonemack]

@@trombonstya I stand corrected. This is the S-23 model and the Olds 1970 catalog does list the instrument in F and E so the second valve is a 1/2 step valve.

[@l3v.b]

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