Should You Buy a 2024 Toyota Supra? Thorough Review By A Mechanic

[@goatninja5303]

68k plus Mk5 Supra owner here! I’ve never had any issues with it besides regular maintenance like oil changes. It’s a very reliable sports car, which surprised me considering its BMW components. I daily drive this car and typically get an average of 30mpg, which is pretty good for a sports car! The interior might feel a little cramped, but if you’re short like me (5’6”), it’s no problem! I’ve taken the Supra on multiple 8-hour road trips, and while the seats can get uncomfortable after a few hours, the performance always puts a smile on my face! I came from a 2011 Corolla, so I don’t mind the BMW origins. I’m just grateful to have a reliable sports car that turns heads and won’t break down on me! Overall, I’d rate it a solid 8.3/10!

[@randallpetersen9164]

I'm 6 feet and it's quite comfortable for me, even wearing a helmet.

[@davepaturno4290]

@@goatninja5303 That's great to know - thanks for the update. My 2024 has about 3300 miles on it at the time.

[@atlslimeball5805]

Im thinking about switching from a camry to a supra

[@goatninja5303]

@@atlslimeball5805. I’ve been driving a 2025 Camry SE for the past three weeks, and I have to say, you’re going to be impressed with the Supra’s performance, especially if you opt for the 3.0 Premium. The driving experience is on another level. However, keep in mind that the Supra requires premium gas. If you’re planning to use it as your daily driver, be prepared to spend around $200 to $250 a month on fuel, depending on where you live Also oil changes for the Supra is roughly $150 if you go for the oil toyota recommends. Worth it if you have the funds, not if you’re trying to save up the most 👌

[@goatninja5303]

@@davepaturno4290 the GR Supra is surprisingly a good daily for a sports car. you won’t really encounter any major maintenance issues besides the regular oil changes and tire rotations, etc.

[@joeviking61]

I highly trust this Man’s judgement on Cars. He saved me a few big mistakes along the way.

[@DM72513]

You can’t possibly know that. 😂

[@thechosenone2786]

@@DM72513I’ll take a Toyota Master Mechanic’s professional opinion over some shmuck trolling yt comments. 😂

[@labradachig1976]

What mistake you had in mind? I was thinking of getting a gently used LS460.

[@alekwhite5560]

Same . Supra is way overpriced lol .

[@pokFryRicebich]

You trust a KZbin mechanic

[@greyphantome2617]

Folks, This man’s car reviews are special unlike the usual journalists who review the cars for a few hours. He fixes cars too.

[@arthuresclamada1805]

as a BMW and Toyota/Lexus owner, at 100k miles Toyota = "Just breaking in", BMW = "things starts breaking"

[@michaelmartin4366]

Absolutely. I was stupid enough to own several BMW'S that emptied my bank account often after they were out of warranty, and I've sworn to never own one again. My Lexus's, on the other hand, have been a pleasure to own because they're reliable.

[@alp3781]

Totally agreed !

[@BrentMcDonald-t5t]

@@michaelmartin4366my neighbors are both doctors. Both drive bmw. They always have new,cars. Like all the time. Every,few months. I,thought man, they are loaded turns out the new,cars are loaners from the dealer. Their cars are always getting fixed. The rentals also need repair. The loners are sometimes loaners for the loaners, lolololol. Horrible cars

[@f32440i]

Yeah like the 2024 Toyota tundra engine fails 😂😂😂

[@thystaff742]

100k miles = things breaking for domestic cars too, and I'm talking basic vehicles that don't have the high pressures that sports cars distribute.

[@Foiiiii1]

I own a 2020 model and honestly I can easily forgive all the downsides the car has. It's simply a blast to drive on any road or circuit, an easy ECU tune and good aftermarket coilovers really make it supercar fast, has reasonable fuel mileage and is practical for this class. I've been tracking the car 2-3 times a year but had no major issues whatsoever, so Toyota and BMW did an amazing job on this car.

[@robinpaydon7139]

I had a 2020 launch edition and i agree i thought it was an absolute blast to drive. I had a couple gen 3's back in the day so noone wanted a "real" supra with a 3jz more than me but after driving it i got over it pretty quick.

[@DJG37S]

This could be said for any car. I own a 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR that I got in 2015 shipped directly from Japan to here in Dallas. Bought it for 15,000 USD, put 10,000 worth of engine rebuilds and upgrades, maxxxecu and now it makes 850 WHP and destroys current gen supra's etc. I have a 2001 MK4 Supra coming to the states in 2025 once it reaches the 25 year mark and it will be much better then the current gen supra's.

[@keithjackson4985]

​@DJG37S So, your highly modified gtr destroys current gen Supras. You have a mk4 Supra coming that will be better than current gen Supras. Okay, that's your opinion. On the gtr, most people don't want an 800hp car that's barely drivable. For the money, the new Supra is a pretty good deal.

[@Foiiiii1]

@@DJG37S Good for you, I don't care. You could have a 1000whp car but I'd still rather have a car with 500whp that can put all of its power down instead of constantly spinning its wheels. Controllable power is always faster around a circuit than uncontrollable power.

[@HyperVanilo]

@@Foiiiii1 You replied to him, so you do care. Good job, you played yourself

[@WhipItSBreezy]

*I was financially fortunate (and stupid lol) enough to purchase a 2022 GR Supra brand new at the time.* I can say without a shadow of a doubt, it was one of the best decisions of my life. Thanks to the car, I was able to have legitimate enjoyment every single time I hit the ignition and I still look forward to every moment that I drive it. Coming from a base model Honda Civic, I was completely unprepared for the amount of raw power it had but I found myself adjusting quickly. It really handles amazingly and has been an absolute beast during canyon runs, not to mention the constant red light races I found myself in (because literally everyone will want to test you, in a fun and harmless way of course). For those thinking of buying, it will most likely beat out 95% of cars that you run into on a daily basis and that's in completely stock form. With a simple Downpipe and tune, you'll be flying by 99% of cars out there if that means anything to you. I've had ZERO reliability issues in the 2 1/2 years of ownership, but that's expected in a BMW that's been stress-tested by Toyota. Regardless, gotta be keeping up with maintenance if you want to keep it that way lol. Regarding costs, it definitely is higher maintenance than your everyday car. Oil changes are pricy and you gotta get quality German oil, either Motul or LiquiMoly. If you want the car to stay strong, you gotta stay on point with maintenance and those costs start adding up. Also, expect to pay premium prices for any modification for the car whether you're looking for carbon fiber accessories or performance based mods. A CF-Hood for any other car would be around $1K or so but most CF-Hoods for the GR Supra are at $2K minimum. All I'm trying to say is if you're trying to modify the car and make it yours, keep in mind the additional costs alongside the total purchase price of the car. Some clear downsides include: Low visibility bc of how small the windows and windshield are, generally tight interior (I'm 5'10" and would definitely prefer more room although I do understand it's meant to be performance oriented and not luxury), pricier modification costs (it's like companies came together and just decided to charge a premium for Supra products smh). If you're on the fence about buying a GR Supra and none of those downsides are dealbreakers, THEN JUST DO IT! lol but nah, really weigh in your financial situation before doing so. The golden rule always is "If you don't have the money to buy it twice, don't buy it at all". Make responsible financial decisions and if this aligns, then go for it & be prepared for the most fun you'll ever have driving a car. Cheers and holla at me on IG if I swayed your decision! :)

[@christopherdavis7287]

The BMW you drive is not a real supra. Get a 2jz bud 🎉😂

[@WhipItSBreezy]

@@christopherdavis7287 B58 is the modern day 2JZ, the future is now lil bro 🫵🤣

[@fubu45]

@@christopherdavis7287who tf wants a dinosaur ass engine. We’re in 2024 bud my bmw Supra will smoke both your shit boxes in your pfp. Then you can cry about how it’s not a real Supra some more

[@user-m3w5g]

Excellent ,Whipit- I like the cut of your gib.

[@kitagawa9900]

@@christopherdavis7287and you have neither lol 😭🙏

[@KG_BM]

lol after watching the repair on the door latch, i have a strong hunch on what the answer will be going into this

[@samuelorellana2603]

when the story is spoiled by the prologue

[@MrMustangrick]

Too much BMW, not enough Toyota!

[@leojanuszewski1019]

WHY would Toyota risk its painstakingly developed reputation for reliability by pairing itself with -- of all companies -- BMW??? Especially on such an iconic car? Smh...🤔

[@KG_BM]

@@leojanuszewski1019 because despite the BMWness of maintaining it, the B58/S58 are legendary motors

[@fakenews3676]

I agree. Too much bmw in this. Why didn't they put the reliable tundra v6 turbo instead of unreliable bmw. Would be better to watch it throw a main bearing

[@walidyasin2039]

Drove both, went with the manual. Very different and more enjoyable experience

[@sikesr]

Always has, Always will be 😅

[@JosiahHague]

Solid content. The opinions and concerns are nice to hear. Thanks for putting this together! The increasing technological/mechanical complications along with more and more reliance on plastic is not my favorite.

[@willembaaij4098]

I own a 21 model with the ZF 8 speed. Great car , drives comfortably long distances at high speed. Thanks for the review.

[@em34ev3r]

awesome brother! Congrats!

[@itsallminor6133]

Bmw motors worth more than the car

[@willembaaij4098]

@ I sold it already.

[@em34ev3r]

@@willembaaij4098 damn crazy. What did you sell for?

[@pamed76]

I so admire your attitude against these cars. I have the feeling you really have a love/hate relationship with them, still, you stay positive.

[@RG-pc1no]

Chain is in back of engine because the previous iteration of this engine, M version, was prone to "crank hub failure". That iteration had the timing chain at the front of the engine. The timing chain sprocket connnected to the crankshaft/"crank hub" was designed as a friction connection. In some rare instances if the engine was over revved this friction connection would slip causing timing to go out and in worst cases causing engine internal damage. To increase power to the newer iterations they had to come up with a more reliable design. The more powerful engines on the older iteration increased the probability of slippage/"crank hub failure.

[@accordinglyryan]

Or they could have just like...you know...keyed the crank hub like everyone else does?

[@Ray-kg9gq]

gonna be real hard to replace at 100k

[@DylanTK]

as per BMW, it is on the rear of the engine to reduce vibration and to shift weight back closer to the center of the vehicle.

[@old_dan]

@@DylanTK This is such a bullshit excuse from manufacturers to put the timing chain on the back. Audi's been like that for years and it just makes everything so much complicated to service.

[@DylanTK]

@@old_dan, i think its an honest reason and legit why they do it, but I do think its dumb lol

[@your_royal_highness]

I owned two Supra’s in the mid 80’s. Two notable things: first, the horsepower was 150…on a six. HA. Second, the driver’s seat was by far and to this day, the most comfortable I have ever sat in. I am 6’0, avg build and at that time weighed about 175-180. I have added 30lbs, but I bet those seats would still work. I wish I could put these in any new car.

[@peterkauss5852]

The seats in my '85 Supra 1:16 are still superb.

[@bliglum]

Basically. The LC500 is the true "New Supra". In the classic Supra Grand Touring tradition.. The car featured in the above video, is a cash-grab collab for BMW and Toyota. And in that respect, it's worked out very well! Particularly for Toyota..

[@supra8544]

I love my 85 Supra lumbar pump. 😅

[@skip741x3]

I had to throw my 2 cents in after I heard you guys raving about those recaro lookalike seats that came in the 82-86 supra performance models... i had the 82 and when I bought it, those seats just Looked insane and initially felt the same...However ,after a few months of ownership, my lower back started to develop pain Everytime i went out in that thing... it got so bad that I could no longer enjoy my rides in that beautiful car... Despite All the lumbar and other adjustments, they did Not offer the needed support in my lower disc area and I sadly ended up getting rid of it...even short hop drives were killing me... all I can say is if you have the right size frame, bodywise, the seats i Guess work well... im 5' 7" with a smaller build, 160 lbs at that time..no go for me.. I ended up with an 87 rx7 turbo.. those seats literally healed my back over several months.. best seats Ive ever had in a car were those...

[@twoshady518]

I own a 2023. I have zero issue with the seats

[@keithbarry886]

Well the cars been out for 4 years and has been reliable as hell. Sure can’t say that for the new tundra and Tacoma .

[@Eben-Victorious]

In Switzerland, for this car, we have a warranty of 10 years...

[@kevindepew8193]

A car shouldn't have any issues at all in the first 4 years. The question is what will it be like in another 6 years. BMW's historically do NOT do well at that. No reason to believe this one will.

[@skrsys]

@@kevindepew8193 I have owned several Toyotas, including a Toyota supra turbo in the 90s. One of the cars that I own currently is a 19-year-old BMW with the in-line six. It has been well-maintained, and I can tell you no 19-year-old Toyota will drive as good as this 19-year-old BMW. It is pure pleasure to drive it. I can be on the highway in fifth gear going 80 mph, and just press the gas and the power just keeps on going into triple digits in fifth gear. It’s really unbelievable. The problem is most people do not maintain their BMWs, not that they’re bad cars.

[@RacingS2000]

@@kevindepew8193all the plastic tells you everything you need to know

[@walkthnyt2000]

@@RacingS2000Yup. Just wait…

[@MavadoKen]

Camera work is getting better every video! Keep it up and thanks for showing us around the Supra! It looks amazing!

[@kevontewilliams227]

I love this video, it makes me feel like i just brought a supra and this is the user manual

[@ChadHargis]

I own a BMW motorcycle. One of the things to keep in mind when you own a German engineered vehicle is that they don't engineer their products to give the customer what they want. They engineer them how THEY want them and either you learn to live with the vehicle the way THEY intended or go buy something else.

[@centripetal25]

Interesting. This is completely contrary to the idea of "luxury" to most people.

[@reyperez3424]

Same as Toyota Lexus

[@thetapheonix]

Why would I buy something if they won’t give me what I want? That’s dumb AF. How are they even in business like that?

[@centripetal25]

@@reyperez3424 reliability is a very important part of luxury. no one would buy a Patek Phillipe if it ran for 5 years before things needed repair and overhaul.... and plastics started cracking....

[@gwpeoples]

Haha and that's why I've never bought a german car or bike

[@bigneutron77]

Mk5 owner with 36k miles, and with 30k of those miles with 500 plus rwhp, no issues whatsoever.

[@brianrand1129]

Same. Got my 2020 Supra in Oct of 19. Been modified & tuned 550hp. Never even had a check engine light on. Car has been bullet proof! 👍💪

[@faultless18]

Glad to hear MK5 owners reporting that it’s reliable. Wondering if it will be the same close to or over 100k miles

[@davidhorne2326]

My’21 is the same red. It’s not my daily, but I love it! The transmission is probably the best thing about it.

[@wackit6756]

Thanks for the complete and honest review! I’ve had my '21' for 3.3 years, zero issues. I bought a Toyota backed 3 year warranty so I’m covered for 6 years. 34mpg on freeway, styling always stirs up controversy which I love. Crazy power, ZF transmission is lightning quick. Sounds great and is just the right size for me. I don’t want to drive what everyone else has, I want a sports car that is different. Collaboration of Companies and their products is a reality now. It’s odd that no one says anything about Toyota and Subaru.✌️

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

That’s probably because the last collaboration between Japan and Germany didn’t work out too well.

[@Peanutdenver]

The B58 in the Supra is one of the best engines on the market today in terms of reliability and hp. I had this same engine in my 2017 BMW M2(it actually sounds better than my current G82 M4C)and it had zero issues over 4 years of ownership. BMW has really nailed the straight 6 turbo charged engine and the B58 is one of the gems in the line up. You can also throw a lot of power at these engines w/o messing with your internals. I like the new Supra as well and there's a reason Toyota, who have a great reputation for making solid long lasting vehicles, partnered with BMW on this project.

[@mrgarrison3516]

He did a complete review on the Toyota 86/ Subaru BRZ....and pointed out the positives & negatives, also mentioned that Toyota owns 20% of Subaru 🤷

[@mountjoy23]

@@Peanutdenver You had an upgraded N55 in your M2, not a B58

[@Peanutdenver]

@@mountjoy23 You're right and I feel like an idiot now.

[@vjmtz]

It has to be said: Your car reviews are THE best. Better than SavageGeese or anyone else honestly. Going into actual mechanic pros and cons are a must (and what people really care about the most).

[@ChrisKim-pd6sj]

Dream car for the money, love my 22 almost 40k runs great

[@montanatony5838]

Would you recommend as a GT? Is it a decently comfortable ride for road trips? Been looking into one, I love the body style, how's the engine feel?

[@rwac07]

@@montanatony5838 I’ve driven mine on a 9 hour road trip. It’s surprisingly comfortable and there is enough space for two people comfortably. Biggest issue is you can only really fit two decent sized suitcases in the trunk and there’s no other space/compartments in the car for storage.

[@montanatony5838]

@rwac07 Thanks for the feedback, I've taken a few out on test drives, and I like the fee of them, i really love the look of them and 2as really torn between this and the mercedes e63. Both are beautiful and Germanl, well kind of

[@AL-kc4kg]

Best technical review period.

[@GodzilarOG7337]

Great review. You should do this more often. I can lend you my Audi RS5 B9 for review.

[@centripetal25]

None of the vents have open sheet metal underneath. You literally have to use a saw to open them up. Not to mention the door vents serve no purpose... they just go straight into the door jambs...

[@bman1668]

Hood vent and front bumper vents are functional and can be open rear by the door is not .

[@centripetal25]

@@bman1668 That's what you've been told. Tunersand reviewers have taken the plastic pieces off (or just look from the other side) and it is solid sheet metal underneath. They are are ready for function as any car's fenders are for widebody kits. You have to do your own cutting.

[@bman1668]

@@centripetal25 I own one hood vent is real it has cut already

[@andylam4350]

I ran into the issue that he said. Toyota dealerships near me didn’t want to service the car and BMW didn’t want to do it either. Traded it In for a Civic Type R and never looked back!

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

My son has a 2021 GR Premium, we did some exhaust, a spoiler lip in Carbon, Carbon wheel and shift paddles, stereo system upgrades and it is a very nice car now. Beats Mustangs and Camaro's easily and is the best looking car BMW makes, the Toyota emblems also help with resale, which isn't as good on the Z4. The only gripe is getting in and out is a tight squeeze.

[@cormaro13]

4 cylinder Camaro and Mustang don’t count 😂

[@DM72513]

@@cormaro13You’re clearly not familiar with the B58.

[@tomc6671]

My son also has a 2021. He’s done so many mods (yes a new unlocked ECU) and it making an estimated 800+ to the wheels and is still not finished. I say estimated because another owner had the same setup but with a smaller turbo and was rated 815 wheel on the dyno. The B58 can handle about 950 without changing internals, which is next on the list.

[@cormaro13]

@@DM72513 I’m familiar just saying those models don’t count 😂 if it was a ss or gt maybe

[@Tsukuyomi8]

How tall is your boy ?

[@PieterBreda]

He's the kind of old-fashioned mechanic you want working on your car. Decent man and wants to do a good job.

[@BrianNC81]

B58 has proven to be a better engine than using the Toyota 3.4L twin turbo VA35A-FTS for this car (plagued with main bearing failures). I'll take replacing some plastic cooling parts at 100k miles over the rod bearings failing.

[@Mrpancake72]

Owning a sports car is not a cheap thing. I bought mine knowing it's not going to be the upkeep cost of a camry and I think it's foolish to think that. The B58 appears to be refined and reliable and at least some parts that commonly go out are easy to get to.

[@scott331]

@@Mrpancake72facts

[@jarehelt]

​​@@Mrpancake72 Not true my Tesla 3 has 188k miles, ive spent maby 2 grand in all that time on maintenance and repairs and I SAVED $25,000 In gas oil changes and breaks.

[@paulluna8099]

@@jarehelt That's until you have to replace the battery. That's $15k-$20k to replace.

[@jarehelt]

@@paulluna8099 Tesla offered me 11k trade in value. Ive already ordered a model S with an 8 year 150k mile warranty, by the time that one is out of warrenty, ill have enough saved for another one. Rinse, repeat

[@Mrpancake72]

totally agree with everything you said. If you are questioning it, go drive one. I drove an AT ended up with a MT. easily top 3 decisions in my life.

[@StardustADV]

I own a BMW and a Toyota, so to me this is a great car and I want to buy one someday.

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

Buy two so you’ll always have one that starts.

[@bobyoung1698]

I understand your mild concern with the dual personality of this car when it goes to the shop. My son just bought a GR86, the Toyota/Subaru mashup, and he's wondering about where to go when he needs serious service. My concern with the car is the Subaru boxer engine. I love hot Subees, but I know the engines demand undivided attention. I don't see that as an issue with the Supra, though. Thanks for a thorough review. This car appeals to me in a number of ways.👍

[@bodieb.1239]

You are a gentleman and a professional with your overview of this BMW. I get it. I was so looking forward to the opportunity to own a Supra. I had older Celica's way back when I purchased my first Toyota in 1971. Have never looked back and owned Toyota to this day. Still do Love my Avalon. That being said this is a BMW with all the trends of a BMW. So many why did they's. Again, you a too kind and a professional.

[@randallpetersen9164]

As a 24 Blupra driver, I absolutely share your concern about service in the years ahead. The service dept at the dealership where I bought the car may be huge but that doesn't make them competent with a car like this. I also hated the fake vents, which I why I covered all 8 of them in carbon fiber. :)

[@albrustmeyer753]

It is a beautiful car. I just got me an automatic because my wife can’t drive a manual. Premium 3.0. And the car drive, very fast beautiful car I love it. 😍

[@TheOne2Know]

Your wife cant drive a manual, so you bought an automatic....... If she is as "accomplished" behind the wheel as my wife you should have got the manual! Let her drive her car and not your new ride man lol. Too late now but next time (if there is a next time what with manuals almost gone) pretend like the dealer made a mistake and gee golly now your just stuck with this stupid silly manual transmission oh well unless you wanted to wait 2 more months for another hotomatic to arrive!

[@Dayz972]

How much is gas ? I plan on getting a Supra!!

[@vidivision]

i own 2023 AT for the last 11 month as daily, and dont feel any disappointment with this car, only time i have been to the service is to get oil change done by warranty. yes there are couple things, but when you drive this car no one is going to see if there is any fake vents. only thing i wish this car had is remote start and 360 camera. thats it. oh this car is really gas saver, but obviously depending on your driving style! and yes, solid review!

[@S_Paoli]

Toyota reliability? Try owing a 2022 Tundra and worry about the engine going kaput at 73mph on the interstate.. total loss of power... and then be told that you would need to have the engine replaced. (well... the fortunate ones got the recall notices)

[@ytj22]

So this car is good then, right?

[@fakenews3676]

@ytj22 yes. Because the bmw b58 has proven to be reliable unlike the v35 in the tundra

[@andyleo8418]

The powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k miles. Doubt many 2022 had that many miles and doubt many of them went kaput. Please don't be gullible and buy into the hysteria.

[@MaddNomad1015]

@@fakenews3676I remember when the Supra released and people had to get new engines for excessive oil burning. Lmao

[@rockyj2008]

Toyota will take care of you. Their not GM

[@themrmarkprior]

I have owned one of these 3.0 Auto BMW Supras. Best car i've ever owned. Looks glorious, drives glorious, suprisingly practical (did you know the boot size and aperture are designed specifically to fit and hold two spare tyres securely for driving to track days). Every enthusiast everywhere likes it in one way or another. Expect to hear 'nice car mate' and 'nice BMW mate' A LOT. It's the best BMW ever, thats not badged a BMW.

[@MyViewToronto]

So Toyota decided to develop and make themselves the GR Corrolla and Yaris, but let BMW do the entire Supra???

[@tinhinnh]

because theyre not going to make any $ selling sport cars so this is like a project

[@MisterSkizzels]

Because they already had the engine from the GR Yaris that was supposed to be a homologation special.

[@Wiggy321]

​@@tinhinnhoh they are going to make money selling a $40k Yaris. Are you mentally ok?

[@Wiggy321]

​@@MisterSkizzelsand they couldn't do that under a bigger name of Supra? The excuses are getting worse

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

They already had a dedicated compact car chassis, the GR Corolla is still just a Corolla platform underneath. They did not have a dedicated high-end sports car chassis. That would've taken billions of dollars to develop and prepare tooling for. Everything is not as easy as it seems in car enthusiast armchair car company CEO fantasyland.

[@cafeandfighters]

Your spot on about your comments. I love older BMW M models. But for years now, questionable design and material decisions have made them untouchable. By that, I mean I won't touch them! Bring back the SUPRA!

[@kILLuMBuS]

Got mine in March..no regrets

[@Steve-O_FPV]

You have only had it a few months, that's tells us nothing. Wait until the warranty expires, you will change your tune. Wait until you have to pay for BMW prices for parts and repair and it's only a Toyota. I look to Toyota to sneak in under BMW and make something that competes and priced affordably. If I wanted a BMW I would buy one, not a BMW dressed like a Toyota. BMW makes way better looking cars so the Supra is a waste of space.

[@kILLuMBuS]

@@Steve-O_FPV That's a lot of typing just to let someone know you're not able to afford one. My daily is a Camry if that makes your "purist" side feel any better.

[@bryanamb4302]

@@Steve-O_FPVwhen this looks better than most bmws with insane tunability hahah have fun with ur base 3 series brokie

[@JasondeVries-t3c]

I'm on my second Gr Supra, and I've never had any issues with them. It's the only car I've owned two of in my lifetime, and I'm in my 50's. I've had Vette's, 370z's, and Mustangs. Nothing is better in my opinion for what I'm looking for in a car.

[@joey86bu1]

Great stuff man. May the Lord bless and keep you also!

[@codyweiler6083]

That made my day when he said that

[@suprola7961]

This car click three major check boxes for me! ✅ it’s a Toyota ✅ it’s a BMW ✅ it’s a Supra These things combined is what made me buy one as soon as they were available. All my favorite things in one package!! Open vents are available, I have mine open. Awesome Awesome vehicle!!

[@rightlanehog3151]

AMD, It must have been tough to decide which channel to post this BMW Supra review on. 😉

[@Evanrooni]

Not that hard. Its a review.

[@ag4allgood]

No , its TCCN reviews not so tough ! 🤔

[@Boostedgreengo]

I believe that the difference in power on the six cylinder is that the original ones had an integrated exhaust manifold that was built into the head and the turbo charger bolted directly to the head. The improved engine that makes more power has a separate exhaust manifold that bolts to the head and the turbo bolts to the manifold. There may be other changes as well as that that improved the power.

[@juanDiaz-is6vy]

Love the channel!!! I'm looking forward to your analysis of the tundra 24' 💔 after the fiasco

[@ItzPieGuy]

'23 manual owner here, love it. fake vents make me sad but glad the aftermarket support is good

[@bikingmoments]

I wonder if it will get B58TU2, which adds port fuel injection and supposedly eliminates carbon buildup.

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

These work long enough to develop carbon deposits?

[@deplorable113]

After watching this I love my ‘22 Honda Civic SI even more! I do my own maintenance! 👨‍🔧

[@ChadHargis]

The large amount of plastic and lack of concern for ease of maintenance is by design. Most premium brand cars are leased or bought by owners who will only keep them for 2 or 3 years. There isn't a lot of thought put into the experience of the owners beyond the first one.

[@mattieewhooo]

Owned a red 2020 Supra and loved it, but yes ..all these little things about it, had me moving into a real Toyota (ie. Lexus ISF) Much happier now. Only miss that Supra exhaust sound.

[@EJ257IHI]

I am an original 2013 IS-F owner. How would you describe the driving differences between the two ?

[@kakashikak]

Hello !! Is there any chance you could do a mechanical review for the Subaru WRX ???? Since it's a turbo and direct injected only, plus the complex Boxer engine, unmodified do you believe it's a good idea to buy thinking about keeping it long term ?

[@xxdizannyxx]

Drove a manual from Virginia to D.C in rush hour traffic for years in manual.. it never got old, takes no extra effort really, just use 2 feet instead of 1.

[@thelastsignature]

You are out here doing the gods work! Bets automotive channel for Supra coverage hands down. Me next tho 😉💕

[@blueeyessti]

Very in depth review, thank you for the quality content

[@mhk67091]

I love my Corolla GR 100% Toyota and love the performance too. I passed on Supra because it’s a BMW plan on keeping outside the warranty. But still Supra is very nice.

[@mrsoisauce9017]

It’s not 100% BMW (even though it uses a shit ton of BMW parts). So the story goes, Toyota actually did a metric fuck ton of durability and reliability testing on the B58 and to extent the rest of the car down to each individual nut and rivet on the Z4/Supra’s platform to make sure it met their strict reliability standards. Any part that didn’t meet those standards was sent back to BMW for re-evaluation. And apparently Toyota also assisted BMW with the creation and engineering of the B58 engine as well (although development of the B58 started before Toyota started collaboration with BMW under the “Silk Road” project). You should read up on the story of the development of the Supra; it’s very interesting

[@richbaby3347]

Dude your reviews are A1, nothing else like it on KZbin

[@chuckwalla2967]

Today, these cars are meant for well heeled folks to lease for few years and move on. It's not like the old days when you could own these long term without breaking the bank.

[@jimsteinway695]

That’s not true. Porsche builds their cars to last decades. When you consider their smaller suv and the base 911 is less than some pickups these days and I mean 1/2 tons it’s in the same price point as those 1/2 ton pickups. A Porsche Macan is less than a well equipped Ford F150 Everything is ridiculously expensive

[@bliglum]

@@jimsteinway695 IMS bearing issues and bore scoring issues would beg to differ. And of course, when issues do arise. Actual Porsches (not rebadged VW/Audi SUV's) require the engine to be dropped out for almost anything..

[@nobleman-swerve]

Are you sure about that? A 1994 supra before any options ran you $40,000. Adjust that for inflation, and you're looking at a $86,000 entry price. No wonder they didn't sell well at all during their time! Meanwhile a modern 2024 3.0 Supra is $55,000 for sticker. That's 36% cheaper! This is fundamentally a far more accessible supra than the legendary mk4, and even if we assume chronic reliability issues (which do not plague b58 bmw's), you have $31,000 you can put towards repairs before you've spent more on a modern supra!

[@jaymum23]

My BMWs hum along at over 170,000 miles with no problems. Minimal maintenance. This is the N52, their most reliable N.A. engine. The B58 in the Supra and their current 40i cars is the N52 of their turbo engines.

[@SupraSav]

The B58 engine has been out for 7+ years at this point. Plenty of time to prove if it is unreliable, and seeing as everyone loves to hate on BMW, you would have heard if it was unreliable/breaking the bank by now. It's definitely not perfect, or cheap - but you can't find another new sports car this performant at this price point.

[@prblackhawk]

As an owner, its a great car. Comfortable to daily drive but fun for weekends as well. He is right about the service experience. Toyota has horrible customer care and after having gone to 2 separate dealers, I'm convinced to never buy a Toyota again. They gave me the run around for a failed clutch that should have been covered under warranty. Wasted my time then in the end refused to cover the issue.

[@Yggdrasill8]

This car really stands out amongst the sea of sedans and suv's, really love the look aside from the fake vents. Have a red on too, although I wish it was really a Toyota built car, it's still a good car among the other modern day options for a 2 seat sports car.

[@rwac07]

As someone who likes BMW’s and owned a couple of M cars - I wouldn’t have even considered this car if it wasn’t touched by BMW. It’s what makes this car good. The B58 is BMW’s best platform today along with the S58. The external styling by Toyota is just a bonus, it’s a neck-breaking car.

[@xFlared]

I find it painful that the memes of it being a BMW are amplified by the fact that even Toyota cannot service it because it's a BMW.

[@davepaturno4290]

Each Toyota dealership has at least one Supra-certified technician. And as a BMW repair shop owner told me, "It's not rocket science. With the proper tools and service manual, any good tech can work on a Supra."

[@fourpoint64]

Take it to a BMW specialist

[@davepaturno4290]

@@fourpoint64 Not while it is under warranty, unless you don't care about money.

[@whatta7793]

Should always take vehicles like these to a specialized local shop. You will probably pay about half for repairs/maintenance at an independent shop that specializes in these brands versus going to a dealer. This goes for BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW, etc. Which a VW shop will be able to do all of the brands I listed minus BMW. But, there's independent shops that specialize in these specific brands, they probably know more about these cars than the dealership techs honestly.. and they're most definitely much cheaper than a dealership is. I've got a few local shops to me, some that specialize in VW, and some that specialize in BMW, so there's a little bit of competition, if they want business they've got to out-do each other with their quality of work and cost.

[@davepaturno4290]

@@whatta7793 Not if it's under warranty. I think the powertrain warranty is 5 years or 60,000 miles. Plus, even independent BMW repair shops are not exactly low cost.

[@TheAbruptly]

No reason to worry about maintenance. It would surprise you how many BMW shops have no issues working on these cars. The only worry with maintenance is if you actually need the dealership for anything but that's practically universal to any dealership. I've had my 2024 MT since February and no regrets buying. Certainly a few things that could be improved on, almost all of which you mentioned in this video, but overall it's a great mid-range sports car.

[@Sarcastic_Asmodeus]

That explains why modified Zupras are really cheap. No one wants to mess them. Can have major long term problems.

[@alicekim7351]

That's with any car. What are you smoking

[@dubsrevo]

I have a 2020 with 75k miles on it, only basic stuff needed like tires, oil and spark plugs. Will need to do the trans and rear diff oil again soon. Love the car gets a lot of attention (good and bad). My valve cover gasket needs a replacement however so thats the only bad so far.

[@paullucci]

I'm 6'1" 195lbs and I felt super cramped inside this thing no matter what I did with my seating position.

[@pawg206]

You big back?😂

[@paullucci]

@@pawg206 uh… I big… front? (No idea what you’re talking about)

[@MisterSkizzels]

I"m 5'11 195 and have two seating positions on the seat button - one for ingress/egress and one for driving. I have a short thorax with longer legs though, not sure if it makes any difference.

[@pawg206]

@@paullucci I’m just kidding.. it’s a saying the kids say nowadays when someone is big or fat.

[@pawg206]

@@MisterSkizzels are you a women?

[@corvus400]

When I heard about complications of B58, I decided go back to s55. Even with crack hub issues, atleast you can change cranc hub to aftermarket and maybe even do the job yourself. if something goes wrong with timing on B58/S58, you are basically paying for pulling the whole motor out, wich is not ''practical'' and cost a lot more.

[@raybostancioglu4355]

Looking forward for your 2025 Camry review!

[@1234zcrom]

You're a wizard. Appreciate the review. I like to do my own maintenance - but wow having one time use bolts on that big cover and the lack of a parking brake release are deal breakers for me. Imagine needing a tow and your parking brake stays on. Nice review for us more technical folks who also intend to keep cars long term.

[@bobaphat3676]

this is a fantastic car, looks, tech, power, even reliability.

[@highboost1454]

It's good to know that the hood latches shake like that. I freaked out for a moment when I found out. These cars are pretty amazing for what they are, just by flashing the TCU, you'll be cutting down on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

[@24hourgmtchannel64]

Don't get me wrong, plastic and rubber decay aside, I love my stock 2004 BMW 325 CI manual but I find it so ironic that the car company known as the benchmark for making the most reliable vehicles turns to one known to make some of the most unreliable. When BMW dropped the dip stick, I was out. When my 325 CI goes, it will be the last BMW I own, at least past 2005.

[@civilator]

m57 and n57 have dipsticks.

[@24hourgmtchannel64]

@civilator This is the problem. A diesel or one gasoline up to 2013. All others have no dipstick. I would have bought a new 230i manual coupe four years ago but the absence of the dipstick made me pass from my awful experience with my 2008 328i which was all over the place on reading. I do all my own work and are OCD on maintenance.

[@carlosr.2027]

Makes no sense why Toyota didn’t use there v8 na engine on the Supra mine boggles me

[@svang1991]

AMD, I love this video. I agree with all of your gripes on this car. I also agree that the repair aspect of this car will be challenging. I already do not trust some Toyota techs to work on my run of the mill commuter Toyota cars, I don’t think anyone at my local dealership will be competent enough to work on this BMW.

[@arena_rock_man9030]

I saw that red mark II MR2 in the background 😉

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

That would be my pick all day every day.

[@lexusbruh904]

👀

[@seanevans6336]

Like the little red MR2 sitting inconspicuously in the back corner of the shop!

[@jqxu8516]

Thank god this is essentially a newer gen BMW. Imagine if they actually used an “ultra reliable” Toyota motor like the new Tundra V6

[@WitchYuki22]

Shh the toyota fanboys will hear you!! 😂😂

[@Takeitlightly6]

Tonality of speech done perfectly. Everyone can learn something from the way he communicates. Slow, calm, relaxed.

[@glennsiegel60]

enjoyed your review, thanks!

[@tphamdx]

Best used sport car under 50k

[@CrazyWeeMonkey]

I don't think servicing this will be much of an issue in the long term, you'd just want to take it to a shop specializing in german cars because it's a german car underneath.

[@2001redz28]

And just like every other BMW, it's great while it's under warranty but when the warranty is up it's time to trade in.

[@Chris-fe9ys]

i got a 340i same engine as the supra b58. Stage 2 MHD and XHP trans tune. About to hit 100k miles without any headaches. And is super easy to work on. Anybody really dissing the B58 are just old closed minded people who rides the bmw hate.

[@slava_trushkin]

Timing chain behind the engine... that's painfully expensive.

[@peterkauss5852]

I'll stick with the simplicity of my '85 which I would have a chance of doing repairs on myself.

[@AgonxOC]

Only if the timing chain has issues. BMW I6 rarely have issues with timing chains.

[@MaddJakd]

​@@AgonxOC This. It's not a Chevy 😶‍🌫️

[@kclefthanded427]

Either the transmission goes out or the engine. Choose your poison

[@kclefthanded427]

​@@AgonxOC usually on the 4 cylinders like the early BMW N20 engines

[@liltorbs]

Ive been eyeballing/debating turning in my VB wrx for one of these for a long while now, watching this/reading comments makes holding off on doing it harder and harder. Really love these new ones just gotta get behind the wheel of it one day before i bite the bullet eventually, problem is i would want to daily a car like this maybe not like the norm so ive held off for a while now. Tough decisions

[@Brian-tu7yn]

Admittedly, I haven’t really cared for the BMW Supra but this video makes it clear… there were a ton of decisions by BMW that Toyota would have never made themselves. This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond. Really does feel like Toyota is slipping.

[@floggyWM1]

" This thing will suck to maintain in 15 years and beyond" that could be said about every toyota and lexus built after 2022

[@chrisbradley3224]

What? This car is way better than any actual Toyota now.

[@Methylphenidate2803]

@@floggyWM1ES, IS still disagree. As other models too.

[@floggyWM1]

@@Methylphenidate2803 IS and ES, are build on an old platform. Most of the Lexus not including ES and IS, are build on a new platform, also the quality of the interior went down drastically.

[@Methylphenidate2803]

@@floggyWM1 Agreed, although comparatively Toyota/Lexus still produce very high-quality cars even with the downgrade seen on new Tacomas, Tundras and etc.

[@reyperez3424]

It’s a great car but it’s like when it first came out , it didn’t have the better B58 engine which now has but then BMW comes out with the update B58 version which makes more HP and seems better in the long run. The Timing Chain is Audi’s fault because they came out with it first , for better crankshaft balancing

[@MeGaTrOn361-j6d]

Great review and mechanical breakdown of the car. Lots of crying on the comment section.

[@bliglum]

The "crying on the comment section" is justifiable. Toyota's premiere, 'halo car' being made by a competing car company is rather shameful.. Don't get me wrong, badge engineering is fine for lesser cars like the Toyota Corolla/Chevy Prizm, Matrix/Vibe, etc.. But for a premiere nameplate with racing history?? Absolutely shameful... And with recent news of Toyota's V6TT's blowing up?!? It's clear Toyota is going downhill, sadly... But, what goes up, must come down after all!!!

[@skatnnofx]

Proceeds to cry about crying.

[@MeGaTrOn361-j6d]

@@bliglum Prices are up on everything so I expect future Toyota products to be up also. I think dropping all these new designs in a short period of time we can anticipate some pain and difficulties, but I will believe Toyota will fix the issues with their vehicles. As far as reliability, I have my concerns with the turbo charging and would not keep these vehicles long term. We are already looking at other brands outside of Toyota and Lexus for our next vehicle.

[@MeGaTrOn361-j6d]

@@skatnnofx we are just all whiners.

[@kadeschagunn9739]

The exhaust butterfly valve actually doesn’t do much at all. It’s the tune. I removed my stock exhaust put on the AWE track exhaust and it sounds better but just does the exact same thing when you put it in sport lol 😂 I still love putting it in sport mode.

[@alimechs]

Good update keep it up the good work and God bless you 👍👍👍

[@kellynorthcott7005]

Looks like a remodel of a 240 Z Datson. Yes that is goofy with regard to interior panels being different.

[@risby1930]

It's usually not the engine itself that fails on BMW, it's all the carbage they attached to the engine and it will fail. I managed a business that services BMW and most the other dealers, so I see it everyday. By the way, don't bother talking this to a Toyota shop, they have no idea on how to work on it. Why would they it's a BMW, and it's utter BS that Toyota made any changes on the B58.

[@GTOLS2GOAT222]

Speaking from personal experience of ownership of a 2022 3.0 premium. Being in Med device sales using this as my commuter covering a large territory, I put a HARD 10k miles monthly on mine & beat the living piss out of her every chance I could with zero issues. Enjoyed it so much I’m planning on getting my second.

[@MR3DDev]

Manufacturers like Toyota say they dont spend much R&D in these kinds of cars cause not many people buy it, but the truth is the dealerships (at least in America) are the ones at fault. I've seen this car go for over $70k around my area and while this car is pretty nice, not many people are going to spend that money on a Toyota. I do hope they bring the MR2 with the 3 cylinder like I hear.

[@halestrum77]

The MR2 has been rumored to "come back" for like a decade now. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you

[@MR3DDev]

@@halestrum77 Same could be said about the supra and it eventually happened.

[@charlesragan-yv1pv]

I’ll never know. The wife wanted one and It’s like trying to find a leprechaun. The dealers can’t get them or have them on the lot. Ended up going with a new S650 Mustang and she loves it. I too am learning to like it a lot as well.

[@The_Noticer.]

Really fair review, not shooting it down just because its BMW. Waterhose piping aside, I dont think this is terribly unreliable.

[@godofdun]

The B58 has proven to be decent in the reliability department

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

Decent BMW reliability means it’ll run 60k miles before a major failure. No thanks.

[@halestrum77]

The B58 engine is very good. We have too many brainless Scotty Kilmer viewers in this comment section

[@zalllon]

The problem with the current crop of manuals vs auto, is that there gears ratios have been set up to meet EPA fuel economy vs performance. This creates a huge gap in acceleration, and of course more gears in automatic further provides an advantage. I like the look of the Supra and if were to get one I’d still get the manual transmission as I just find it more engaging.

[@rjg02005]

Fake vents kill it for me.

[@colinbowman8816]

They're lame, and it would probably be prettier without them, but it still looks ok IRL.

[@Bodangers]

Wish there was a mod to replace them with real ones

[@Mrbobcat7]

For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.

[@Mrbobcat7]

For me it's that and lack of ventilated seats.

[@StanBRacing]

@@BodangersThere is. I think toyota even sells them.

[@sleepy2945]

Don’t own the Supra but I own the M340i which is a 4 door Supra, and I’ve had 0 issues at 80k miles and it’s tuned

[@ytj22]

Having tested both, the 4cyl is a better handling car that would make a better daily driver IMO. It has adequate power, but should be priced much lower than the 6 cylinder, and that is the real problem with the 4 cylinder.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

Agreed. The 4cyl's MSRp should be at least $5k less than what it is.

[@souf7575]

if you buy the 4 cyl supra then youre stupid af, if ur going for that sporty look get the b58 dont half ass it for some car that has the power almost equal to a corolla.. thats so embarassing