It's so LOGICAL! Vocal ANALYSIS of one of the greatest lyrical journeys ever with Supertramp!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

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[@MrDDawson]

Watched 4 vids from you now. Sub earned. You really know your stuff but even more is your appreciation for music outside ur comfort zone. Love it. (the fun you had listening to this is the pure fun of real music).

[@redman6675]

You pause far too often.

[@noragriffin6432]

2nd comment. My favorite gospel group is The Hoppers. Listen to The Hoppers - Yahweh [Live]. Channel... Gaither Music TV.

[@redsologlass8768]

@@redman6675 um, this channel is breaking down the vocals.of these songs by a professional. It's interesting to hear her views. But the videos are available on KZbin. So that's where I'd go for an uninterrupted listen. Have a nice day.

[@lennarthallberg9918]

It would be nice if you could analyze Uriah Heep`s "July Morning" from their 1973 live version with their singer David Byron. He had one of the greatest voices in rock & roll history in my opinion. You can find it from KZbin by searching with Uriah Heep - Live 1973 (Side One and Two). Ps. I really like what you do at your The Charismatic Voice program.

[@katiemayo1518]

You know it's good music when you've been listening to a song for over 30 years and it's still just as captivating as the first time you heard it.

[@Retro1965]

This song I heard it 40 yrs ago after that I didn't heard it anymore until I dreamt this music one night and I woke up and find it in KZbin and boom it's captivating to hear it again.

[@ReallyMimi]

Yessssss

[@PaulsWanderings]

One of my faves.

[@robellis1214]

That's how the entire album is to me. Listened to it again in the car today and noticed new things.

[@steveerickson9847]

Yep, you can say the same thing about Boston 😊

[@papaverweg]

This vocalist, Roger Hodgson (born 21 March 1950) has been recognized as one of the most gifted composers, songwriters and lyricists of our time. As the legendary voice of Supertramp and composer of many of the band's greatest hits, he gave us "Give a Little Bit," "Dreamer," "Take the Long Way Home," "Breakfast In America," "It's Raining Again," "School," "Fools Overture" and so many others that have become the soundtrack of our lives. Roger's trademark way of setting beautiful introspective lyrics to upbeat melodies resonated and found its way into the hearts and minds of people from cultures around the world. His songs have remarkably stood the test of time and earned Roger and Supertramp an adoring worldwide following.

[@peacemaker6662]

So glad you mentioned 'Take the Long Way Home'. My personal favourite from Paris. So many seem to miss that. 'Crime of the Century' and 'Crisis what Crisis' were lp's I bought when they came out, fantastic as they were... I keep coming back to Paris and 'Take the Long Way Home'.

[@royofspeyside]

Just love how tine has passed and I always come back to Supertramp

[@robinlove6981]

Im sure she went to wikipedia as well

[@christopherclayton8577]

Agree with all your picks, particularly "It's Raining Again".

[@danta2er]

I would love to hear your analysis of "Fool's Overture" as well.

[@chickndinner2851]

I never get tired of watching people's first reactions to songs that were ubiquitous to my childhood.

[@renejean2523]

It makes you feel proud of your own youth culture, and so privileged to have had it.

[@barryweinrich7289]

Funny thing about that . the clock keeps ticking

[@toddschrocatart]

Well said I completely agree

[@TS-ev1bl]

And they're still ubiquitous in movies, video games, on radio, etc, which makes very hard to believe the whole premise of the many people with YT channels "reacting" to mainstream songs and movies they've supposedly never heard or seen. It would have to be someone's first day on planet Earth to have never heard the classic rock songs these "reaction" channels do.. Thanks to movie soundtracks over the past 30 years, popular video games of the early '00s like Guitar Hero, or just riding in the car for years with me and their mom, my 20-something sons know '70s and '80s popular music almost as well as I do, better in some cases. For example, my born-in-1996 son and I were watching a movie recently, and he recognized a Santana song from the late '60s before I did. When I expressed surprise that he knew that, he said "Yeah, they played it at Woodstock". I later looked it up. He was right. 😄 That being said, even taking the premise with a grain of salt, it's fun listening to old familiar song such as this one without or without hearing someone else's take on them, and the reviewer on this channel certainly offers a unique style and perspective.

[@michael-zp7jf]

These were the best times in the universe

[@hansmolders1066]

I am German, 57 years old and grew up in this world. This song meant so much to me! Artistic rebellion from a middle-class upbringing!

[@jeffchantler9198]

Same here in Canada

[@Anrheiner111]

das könnte ich geschrieben haben 😅

[@dustingrant3426]

Supertramp. Snubbed by the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. Perhaps the unsung hero of progressive rock. For me, one of the greatest bands of all time. Thank you for covering this classic.

[@Doubius]

Something tells me you're more or less exactly the kind of person whom Kirk was thinking of when he snuck this into the list. Cheers.

[@dustingrant3426]

@@Doubius Cheers brother 👍

[@alexfloresq9003]

Exactly!!!!

[@sighteternal497]

Never was truer words said, one of THE GREATEST and most talented bands ever!

[@fernandovega5722]

No doubt! Unsung heroes!

[@ghosthand8119]

This just makes me realize how old I am. When I first saw this I thought " Oh, cool. this is a classic. I can't wait to see her analysis of this one." Then when you started talking I realized you have never heard this one! It just stuns me that a lot of people have never heard songs like this, one's I grew up with and just take for granted. I love how old songs like this can still surprise new listeners after all these years.

[@batesm]

I was going to post a reply almost identical to this. You beat me to it. Is she really that young? Am I really that old. Could it truly be that people have never heard of Supertramp?

[@michaelpage7422]

hope to agree and tell you guys don't worry, you're wrong, all at the same time. That appearance as unknowing, of any awareness that a part existed in some some, X, or any anticipation for parts that really excite her~but that has been said to be present when she carries that look and otherwise seems equally as a complete new experience that she is impressed by most time but didn't know it to say until hearing right now this time😂she diesnit

[@martyschlindwein]

I agree but she also made me hear it in a different way. I’ve always just listened but now I’ll hear all these little nuances that I’ve never noticed before.

[@dHolbach77]

Liz is not a "normal" music listener. I don't follow her adamantly, but on the videos I've watched I've caught a little of her speaking about her history. It seems she grew up isolated in the country on an orchard farm in the pacific Northwest and really didn't hear the popular music of the day...or decades past. Those around her in childhood listened to or performed folk, classical and I think maybe blue grass/country. Then after high school she went off to study "voice" and concentrated on listening to opera and classical most of her adult years for professional and personal reasons until very recently. So there are very major bands/artists that she either has not heard of, or heard any of their songs, or maybe just a few of the most popular at most until very recently. The types of music that people of multiple generations at least know of, if not have heard or like, from great grandparents to kids...she would have "missed out on" largely until the start of this enterprise where's she's starting to fill in the gaps. As for something like the Logical Song or even Supertramp as a whole, I dare say that many "normal" people, especially younger ones, wouldn't know the group or at least this song either. They played Supertramp on the major rock radio station where I lived when I grew up in the 90's, but the group found very few fans among my age group, even if many among my peers did like other classic rock. Some people never heard of Supertramp; others could name a song or two maybe but never an album, much less owned their work. I was never a big fan myself and it was only in my late 20's when I started filling out my music collection that I finally first got a Supertramp album (I eventually got them all except the post 80's albums). People just have only so much time or money for music (especially in the days before youtube where you can listen for free: I spent literally thousands of dollars on hundreds of cd's by the time I was in my early 20's!).

[@TheCelticSeer]

Yep, Feeling my age with this one. It was around the time I was just really getting into Prog Rock. And I thought Roger's lyrics were just pure genius, but telling a story of a lot of people at the time, especially with The Logical Song!!

[@madmex2k]

The obvious songs to listen to by SuperTramp are School, Goodbye Stranger, Bloody Well Right, Breakfast in America, Take the Long Way Home, Dreamer, Give a Little Bit, Rudy, Crime of the Century...So many more as well.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Ooo, this is great! So a lot of content to look forward to. Loving it!

[@normanpearce7392]

@@TheCharismaticVoice If you do Take the Long Way Home, I'd suggest the version Roger Hodgson did with his solo band at The Royal Albert Hall not too many years ago. The quality is good for a live performance and it sounds almost exactly like the studio version. BTW, I did finally breakdown and subscribe to both of your channels. Cheers from your librarian fan.

[@berrytharp1334]

Long way is one of the all time great songs.

[@michaelrosa5007]

Child of vision is masterpeace

[@catman2629]

I loved Rudy

[@gsg1959]

The song is about the loss of childhood innocence, and the pressures of adulthood. Awesome lyrics and well written.

[@suesjoy]

And programming us to follow rules and OBEY!

[@lukemckean6155]

@@suesjoyas opposed to living in chaos 😂

[@sail4life]

No, as opposed to living from the heart and soul. @@lukemckean6155

[@nickwf1commdept2]

It is about that, but it's more specifically about the emotional meat-grinder of British private education (boarding prep and 'public schools'), as it was when Hodgson was sent, as an 8 year old in the last 1950s. It hadn't changed much when I was sent, also as an 8 year old in 1971, to board at prep school (which I loved) and then made the mistake of passing CE exams, at 13, to a public school I hated with every fibre of my being. Thankfully, most of those schools have radically altered (helped by the introduction of girls). But it was an uncaring system where, if you didn't fit the template, life was a misery.

[@metalmark1214]

Hard to describe this song. Could it be sensible? logical?, responsible?, practical? dependable? clinical?, intellectual?, cynical? radical? liberal? fanatical? criminal? respectable? presentable? or, a vegetable? Elizabeth will just have to break it down, Charismatical.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Ahahah I love this comment!

[@youbertu]

@@TheCharismaticVoice #charismatical

[@corssecurity]

You win the internet today

[@dpecoraro66]

Sent him off to school to learn. Marvelous lyrical impression. Child of Vision, a must listen

[@skarlottt]

Mike drop

[@davesunhammer4218]

SuperTramp is a band you definitely need to come back to. So many great songs.

[@tubewayarmy2]

Back in the 70's and early 80's when you tell who the band was by the sound, no matter what they were singing. Supertramp was one that had so distinct a sound you could easily immediatl recognise them.

[@rodeo4786]

That is so right and they were uniquely their own sound

[@markmunoz4101]

That is sssooooo true.

[@TerminalConstipation]

that's funny because I always thought this was a Yes song

[@simonfreeman308]

You’re bloody well right

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

Yes! Rush, Supertrap, and Yes are like that. Rush being My favorite of all time, but definite respect to them.

[@LuisDiaz-i7l]

I am 57. I grew up in the Bay area projects. I was made a ward of the state. This song makes me think of those days. My life is better now 🙂. " Strive to be better & believe in yourself. ✌️🙏❤️.

[@jeepinspence]

Same age as you, but I grew up in the breadbasket of the world "the midwest". Typical lower middle class parents and extended family of farmers, police officers, factory workers, construction, trucking etc... very few of us have much in the way of money or fame, or even worldly possesions , but, that's ok. We wll worked hard all our lives from a very young age and I wouldn't have it any other way as I Iearned so much through life's trials and tribulations. Hang in there and keep plugging away people like us are the winners in life not the ones in their ivory towers, with all the toys and silver spoon life. :) Have a blessed life friend.

[@1948Mookie]

Go, brother.

[@firedoc5]

LOVE Supertramp. Of all their songs " Take the Long Way Home" is my favorite. The entire album "Breakfast in America" is a must for anyone with musical appreciation collection.

[@robertlalexander4083]

Not if you’re not into too much saxophone and rock without guitar solos

[@Michael.Larsen]

And it features one of the best clarinet solos in rock :).

[@timmacsweet1]

@@robertlalexander4083 you’re clearly less of an appreciator of music than.

[@robertlalexander4083]

@@timmacsweet1 oh I do. I appreciate good rock bands like AC/DC and I appreciate Angus Young's guitar playing and the fact they used bagpipes on "It's a Long Way to the Top"

[@badcrumble1]

It still sounds incredibly fresh to me. Timeless.

[@quinnhen2325]

Supertramp, Styx, Rush, Yes, Led, Journey, and so many more were unbelievable to grow up to!! Fantastic lyrics, music, singers in the 70’s and 80’s!!

[@ihatemagas]

You just kinda listed off my guitar teachers over the years.

[@MetteC5]

I'm so sorry that you lost the capacity to dive for pearls: I also grew up to fantastic music in the 70s & 80s AND I'm still capable of identifying such music in 2023. Don't worry: there are many of your kind. I'm deeply disappointed in and ashamed of my generation.

[@quinnhen2325]

@@MetteC5 What are you talking about? No one said anything about music from today! I was appreciating the music from the 70’s/80’s. Geez.

[@MetteC5]

@@quinnhen2325 Sorry, I've seen so many "music was better back then" comments that I inferred from yours that that was what you meant. I was wrong. Sincere apologies.

[@megnotmegan1966]

…..Meatloaf, foreigner…..

[@haydendegrow945]

Supertramp is incomparable. They blurred the lines of different genres and melded music into a this cohesive perfection

[@abbabi1975]

How can this band be left out of the Rock Hall? Crime of the Century is an epic album

[@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST]

The hall of shame is run by Rolling Stone which is nothing more than a radical left-wing scam front group.

[@davejunkin5591]

The Rock Hall is political from what I am told. More than them being left, Foreigner was left too which is insane to me!

[@SpyStaMia]

The WHO never won a Grammy either. It’s all about sales …😳

[@GilmourStMusicHall]

Totally agree that Crime of the Century is epic. One of very few albums that I can play for the first time in years and recall every magical nuance. It's stunning, really.

[@parajerry]

The R&R Hall and the Grammys are popularity contests and political. My wife is a voting member of the Grammys and can go on for hours about the 'why' of winning or loosing. Tell me why most of the bands in the R&RHOF are not Rock and Roll.

[@nightmusic8]

Oh Kirk what did you make Elizabeth do? The Supertramp albums are legendary. Awesome songs to hang memories on. Listening to any Supertramp songs will remind me of the things I did and didn’t do in my teens. ( the albums were already out for years, somehow they never age.)

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

I am hooked. He knows me so well!

[@Echowhiskeyone]

I've been listening since the 1970s, the songs are as fresh today as they were back then, they are ageless.

[@cthulhusol]

I started listening to trump on the 90s, on my teen years. Their albums were 2 decades old already and yet immortal and atemporal

[@olivershagnasty6415]

Time to check out Muse Elizabeth

[@BigMacIain]

The whole of the Crime Of The Century album is fabulous. Just start at the beginning and follow it to the end, Elizabeth. You'll find lots to love musically and lyrically in every song.

[@jefflong1839]

I once said to my sister, also a huge Supertramp fan, that when he sings it makes me want to go to him, give him a hug and ask if he's ok. She broke into tears and said, yes! Exactly!

[@MikeLyons2011]

Plaintive, in a word. Yes, it is THAT .

[@mimmipiggast2243]

I totally agree!!

[@carljensen333]

There's a sharing of pain like we are not alone and there can be joy despite our condition. What I liked about Supertramp was that there was never a sense of surrendering to what weighs us down.

[@thoughtfirst4916]

" ...Famous Last Words..." I discovered that album soon after it came out. Ever since then it had been imperative to have a copy to play in whatever format I am using. I suffer from a mild lifelong depression. That beautiful album moves perfectly through sympathizing with depression, to melancholy, and then wonderfully to pure joy. When I feel drowning in despair, I block out all else, play this in full, and realize: Hey. I'm still kickin, still breathing, and life is going to be ok. It's a gentle reminder to just take time, stop, look at the wonder all around me.

[@lindazee]

@@thoughtfirst4916 your experience is so relatable, and you described this album so perfectly, in terms of its emotional impact. There's a melancholic joy to it that moves me also.

[@artfigueiredo5223]

Probably my favorite Supertramp song. Imagine first hearing this song as a freshman at college the year it came out. It speaks right to you.

[@ColinWatters]

It certainly brings back my memories of late night beer/coffee drinking with friends putting the world to rights.

[@wbshappy1]

This song makes me think of a boring school student (or perhaps inmate, draftee in a barracks, etc.) pondering "while all the worlds asleep", what he was, and what he is becoming in the program which is his defined, daily life. "Please tell me who I am!" His vocals and the whole song are like a stage or screen actor's performance... I love how you're pointing out the nuances; you're causing me to appreciate this song more than I ever did. Rock music is often about pubescent rebellion--the hormonal changes that occur between childhood and adulthood... I think that's represented in the jazz sax, and the whimsical sounds (whistle, and party noisemaker), and the mocking intonation of "logical" in the last verse. These are the emotions of a kid that just wants to break loose one night while he can't sleep!

[@betbuk]

You HAVE to listen to the studio recording! Supertramp were the GOLD STANDARD for production in the late 70's. The recordings have so much depth, punch and drama! Don't know if the modern ears have the patience for all the layers of digestion required to fully "get" Supertramp! Thank you for pumping them back up!

[@jaystrobel7862]

Almost as good as Steely Dan

[@rk41gator]

@@jaystrobel7862 Hard to touch Steely Dan, but they do come close.

[@dainfuentes8168]

I don't know if my ears are modern, but I just got into them this year, and I've been completely obsessed ever since. I've barely listened to anything else.

[@BrandonGrieve]

Agreed, their production was so amazing. Not only does the quality hold up today, there’s a warmth that we’ve lost in the digital age.

[@rk41gator]

@@dainfuentes8168 Have loved SuperTramp since the 70s but I am now obsessed with Genesis!

[@TheB00Man]

This is one of those cases where the studio version is considerably better than the live version although they did a pretty bang up job for such a hard song to reproduce live. It ends the way it does here because on the album it's a fade out with the various different sound effects. Definitely check out the album "Breakfast in America" particularly for the title track, studio version of this, "Goodbye Stranger," and "Take the Long Way Home."

[@brucel399]

One of the reasons the studio version I believe is much better is because it's not rushed through. I find to often that certain live versions of a truly great song are rushed either due to it being during an encore presentation, or the performers are getting tired from the show and are trying to just get off the stage. But you are correct, the studio version is much better.

[@sugarbooger5838]

I thought I was the only one that thought the studio version was far better. Thank you for saying so, it confirms that I'm not crazy.

[@lewisfrost1815]

Right…although I like the sax in the live version

[@davidhowell7279]

For the 40+ years I've listened to this song, I've never heard a live version. They definitely sounded great live, however, they did some adlib moments that I didn't care for. Such a great band. Blending pop/prog/rock/jazz/and funk. Awesome.

[@Bramble451]

I don't think the album version is "considerbly" better than the live version. I don't find them all that different, honestly, outside of pace. Although I tend to compare Led Zeppelin album versions vs. live versions which is... well, anyway. Having said that, however, the live version on their "Paris Live" double album doesn't have the fast tempo of the live performance in this video.

[@9999plato]

The entire Breakfast in America album is awesome. It is also part of my audio reference testing material due to its incredible recording and production along with Steeley Dans AJA and Dire Straits Brothers in Arms.

[@grahamcarruthers9337]

Totally agree, From Crime of the Century all their albums had such a superior sound to most other LP's at the time.

[@planetbetter]

Brothers in Arms is just incredible.

[@spasticmuse4262]

"Reference testing material" brings me back! I used to use "The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys" for setting the tracking weight on a tonearm. It has to be in the sweet spot for Steve Winwood's vocals to sound right.

[@TonyM1961]

Boston's debut album needs to be on this list as well

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

Steely Dan was an amazing band, pretty much all of there music is an experience.

[@Billsomebody89]

Such a great song. I still get goosebumps every now and then.

[@PIPIPISTA]

Same here. Even if I had no any English in the seventies it touched me. With the words much better.

[@jgcarlover_9273]

"please tell me who I am" makes me cry all the time...I love this song

[@martincoons823]

As a Gen X this was one of the premiere songs that defined my generation. Sophistication arriving at a certain maturity before the expected time. The Wurlitzer and the Hammond B3 where incredible hallmarks of that era. Once again I love your analysis spot on. Oh incidentally the saxophone is the authoritarian establishment rebuffing his inquiry, much like Charlie Brown's teacher

[@stpnwlf9]

Although the B3 has been a workhorse of rock and roll since the 50s. But Supertramp had brilliant arrangements, no question!

[@stevesamson3940]

It's Boomer music, decrying how being taught logic, sensibleness, reliability and other good traits ruin your ability to enjoy life. It's not X at all.

[@kylesummers1565]

@@stevesamson3940 Oh, I think it is much more X. We were trying to adjust to the Marxist lurch of the seventies and then as we got older also deal with real life. There is nothing wrong with being reliable, or logical, or sensible, unless you try to use it to control people's thought. Most people's lives would probably be much better served if they didn't rely on quite as much emotional decision making. Don't give up on emotion but learn when and where to use it and allow it to take over. Just my opinion. You're entitled to yours as well. Peace, Love!!

[@martincoons823]

@@stpnwlf9 I can assure you I didn't mean that the B3 was exclusively Gen X indeed you're right since the fifties No doubt just simply saying some fantastic groups that came to the forefront in the 70s in the 80s and the B3 was out front that's all no exclusivity.April Wine, Boston,etc,etc,ad infinitum.....

[@stpnwlf9]

@@martincoons823 I'm of an age considered late baby-boomer, but I have an older brother 10 years my senior and we grew up sharing a room which means I got flooded with 60s rock and roll (whether I wanted to listen to it or not - LOL). My own tastes were primarily built in the early 70s and I listened to a lot of prog - some of Rick Wakeman's and Keith Emerson's most powerful organ pieces were done on the B3 (with occasional cathedral pipe organs thrown in).

[@yehudasimon6957]

Elizabeth, I'm glad you finally got to hear Supertramp. They were an amazing band. In their classic era, they had two main songwriters who were also the two lead vocalists: Roger Hodgeson, who sang this song, and Rick Davies, the pianist. Hodgeson was also the band's guitarist, and sax player John Anthony Helliwell also played keyboards and clarinet, sang backing vocals, and acted as the band's MC in concert. If you feel like doing an extended listen, their album Crime of the Century is a masterpiece from start to finish.

[@professordeb]

Two thumbs up for Crime of the Century!

Crime of the Century or Even in the Quietest Moments...

[@darrellsteckler152]

Whenever I saw them in concert John Helliwell did all of the sax parts too, and he was a quite funny MC!

[@stereodreamer23]

Supertramp is one of the most under-rated and misunderstood bands of their era. The fact that they are not in the Rock-and-Roll Hall of Fame is a crime...

[@Theresa939]

Crime of the Century?

[@stevenmix3723]

This is not even my top 5 Supertramp songs, and yet, it is just spectacular. "Goodbye Stranger" just pops into mind, without even looking at the list. Phenomenal band.

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

Bloody well right. Even in the quietest moments we all are indelibly stamped having witnessed multiple crimes of the century. But at least we are not in crisis.

[@jenniferandrew3373]

This song is literally heartbreaking. I grew up listening to this, and vowing to never lose myself.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

Cool comment. Ya, great tune.

[@agitakaput]

I think this is discovery, not loss.

[@craigpoer]

You're right, losing myself to work, and acting right. I just wanted to look at the beautiful trees.

[@mjkrein]

I almost skipped this, even though I've always loved this song. Just never thought of it as a "powerful" vocal performance.... but the lyrics are incredible, the delivery is perfect... and your reaction, as always, is priceless. Love seeing you experience-- and utterly appreciate-- these timeless classics for the very first time. Great call Kirk!!

[@iciervasotomayor]

Again... the studio version is the one. Supertamp always managed to sound really great on live performance, but the studio version is the real thing. They worked for months in the studio until they got everything built. Actually, "Breakfast in America" is often listed as one of the best studio recordings ever. PS: After watching the whole video I admit this live version has some extra nuances in the vocals that are no so present in the studio recording.

[@itoibo4208]

I like the studio version, too. I give the live perfomance a 7, but the studio version is a 10.

[@SlickArmor]

The nuances in the live version are the flubs. 😅😅

[@kingcosworth2643]

I'm not quite sure why many of these react channels watch live versions, the studio versions are always the best representation of the audio

[@iciervasotomayor]

@@kingcosworth2643 Well, someone coudl argue live is "the real thing", and they'd have a point, specially when talking about modern recording in the era of autotune and digital postproduction. Also, I guess with live version they get nice video of the performers, much more interesting than a still picture of the album's cover.

[@kingcosworth2643]

@@iciervasotomayor That certainly can be argued, but it can be argued just as much that the studio version is the best representation of the music written and performed. Autotune is tough but all the sounds are manipulated either through valves, compressors, envelope filters whatever and the voice is simply another instrument. If the analyse is voice specific, an autotuned sample is no good, but a trained ear will know if tht has being applied. Even live versions the voice signal is run through at the very least a compressor and reverb before amplification, it's a 'distorted' or 'coloured' version of the singers voice, and then mp3'd if listening from youtube

[@kentmains7763]

Even in the Quietest Moments, his voice will get right into your feelings.

[@johnhein1663]

Even in the Quietest Moments is genius. Talk about getting lost in the music

[@dHolbach77]

Love that album. By far my favorite Supertramp (and I'm not a big fan of them; I don't even like several of their albums). Fool's Overture is probably their best moment.

[@Pheeew33]

Came here to give Even in the Quietest Moments some recognition. Glad someone has called it out. That album is perfect all the way through. As a kid my favorite song was Babaji. I was lucky my parents had a Supertramp cassette tape in the car haha

[@danoliver2817]

The whole CRIME OF THE CENTURY album is a must!!!! I love the opening track.... SCHOOL.

[@brianpeck7763]

Logical Song was their huge radio hit, but School is twice as good. And yes, the entire album is superb.

[@lorilynnparker4959]

Came here to recommend School. Absolutely my favorite Supertramp song. And so biting.

[@roderickgful]

Took a boat Sunday💜

[@sgtbigballs666]

School is the best. That is all 🤔

[@TheHsan22]

First heard CotC on a pair of fantastic Sonab speakers in a hi-fi store around ‘76. Couldn’t afford the speakers but I went off and bought the album same day.

[@rogerwhitacre8247]

Elizabeth - whenever I watch your videos (which is often!), I have a smile on my face for the entire time! Your enthusiasm is so contagious! And I appreciate your in-depth musical and vocal analysis. Other KZbinrs that post reactions do just that - react. But they don't know what they're hearing. As a music educator, I appreciate your analysis. Thank you!

[@DuplicitousMoxie71]

I absolutely love how you have the ability to dissect a song with such investigation in a structured thorough process. So cool to have that skill...

[@frankpentangeli7945]

Hide In Your Shell ... my favourite Supertramp song of all time. It's astoundingly sad, beautiful and hopeful at the same time. And the arrangement is world class.

[@jaynemurray2600]

My favourite of theirs, too. First non-Canadian band I ever saw in concert, in about 1981.

[@terrywilliams605]

Elizabeth would go nuts if she were to listen and analyze "Hide in your shell"... don't you think? Another beautiful and excellent song by Supertramp.

[@frankpentangeli7945]

@@terrywilliams605 Agreed.

[@jennysmith9578]

Please Elizabeth, Hide In Your Shell has to be next, please please, not afraid to beg!

[@HankChinaski27]

This song will always have a special meaning to me. A young man I mentored died trying to detox from alcohol. I had no idea he had gotten that bad. But his gamer tag was always Presentable Vegetable. This song will always remind me of the good times shared with a really cool kid.

[@kingcosworth2643]

Alcohol and Benzo's are the two drugs that can kill during detox

[@rudolphpyatt4833]

The entire “Breakfast In America” album has been a favorite of mine since it was released. Really, a concept album; at least I’ve always heard it that way. No bad songs on that record, great lyrics, music, production. And “Paris” really is a live greatest hits album: “Dreamer” alone is worth the price of admission.

[@bchar913]

Definitely on the list of best albums of all time. Boston’s first album is another.

[@mascha28swinkels]

I first listened to this song from when I was a young girl and didn’t know any English but loved it and then years later as a teenager able to speak English and realising wat the lyrics meant therefore discovering it again like a new song 😊

[@j.munday7913]

Supertramp is one of my all time favorites. I always loved the way he enunciated his words to make them sound irritated and angry, but the chorus is so thoughtful and sweet. Its almost like the main part of the song is him being angry about having to be a responsible adult, but then when he gets home (and all the worlds asleep) he can relax with a ciggy and think about the deep stuff. Plus its a bop.

[@chrissedaka8141]

@Jenny Munday: You're bloody well right. ;)

[@59erUlli]

👍

[@willraresheid34]

Just about anything by Supertramp is very well thought out, very well produced and very well performed. Their live sound is phenomenal. Thanks for giving them a listen.

[@saff9775]

This was one of my absolute favorite songs when I was little! My mom used to play the Breakfast in America album on weekends. It wasn't until I was older that the profound nature of the lyrics actually sunk in. Oh this is gonna be a good one!

[@bodyfarmbrat]

Super Tramp was a childhood parent album for me too. I ended up owning Breakfast in America myself in high school in with all my thrash metal cds and ....Fleetwood Mac rumours lol (thanks mom)

[@adamfabian9398]

Same here. Best album growing up in the 90s.

[@marquonuk]

I adore Supertramp. Such original and inventive music. "Fool's Overture" is an astonishingly epic song, possibly their longest individual creation, weaving sound effects in with the music in certain parts as well, and remains my favourite of all their music. :-)

[@MarkErmann-x8y]

I agree, “Fools Overture” feels like it is composed. Along with “Crime of the Century” are the whole point of the concert. Great channel 😊

[@jamespasifull]

I first heard Supertramp at school, aged around 15-ish! I'm 61 now, so I've probably heard their whole back catalogue a few hundred times!!😲 Still love em!! 😍

[@jdb8171]

Same!

[@patthewoodboy]

I remember them when they did a live TV show on Rock goes to college , BBC broadcast , crime of the century era

[@anthonythompson1680]

I'm exactly the same age as you, and I agree with you 💯 %

[@michaellaporte4951]

Supertramp's such an underrated group. The songs "Rudy" and "Crime of the Century" off the Crime of the Century record are so terrific.

[@00wheelie00]

Word is Rudy is still back on his train...

[@mattburgess5697]

Yeah, this video is reminding me that it’s been too long since I listened to that album. Some absolute bangers on it. Bloody Well Right, etc.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

It's not so much underrated but (apparently ) forgotten ? . Sometimes i'm a bit cynical if some of these professional singers in these reaction videos really never heard Kate Bush, Supertramp and even Pink Floyd . But maybe i'm just getting old ! 😅

[@whatupmyg]

I'm pretty sure they're highly rated. They were massive.

[@Nugzbunny420]

The album version of this sounds waaayyy better

[@Mi5terMarc]

Hodgson doesn't have the most earth-shattering voice of all time, but it's unique and recognizable. It kind of reminds me of Geddy Lee in the sense that it's not a traditionally mellifluous voice, but he's still great. If you enjoyed this definitely check out the studio track as well as other great tunes by this band.

[@jaydemetrick8399]

A little bit of Geddy Lee with a touch of Jon Anderson of Yes.

[@tjroelsma]

I think his vocals are somewhat underrated: he has really good control of his vocal cords, up to the point that he can play around with his pronunciation. Not many pop/rock singers had that control in those days and combined with his lyrical and compositional abilities it made him stand out from the rest.

[@nedeast6845]

@@tjroelsma Like Donald Fagen; he didn't like his own voice, but I think Steely Dan was even better for his strangualted voice, it just sounds unique and perfect for the songs

[@davidguthrie3739]

Supertramp’s orchestration is stunning. So many parts with infinite variety that interweave and layer perfectly, familiar tones used in specific ways that make them fresh and unexpected. It’s not a guitar band, but the guitar parts are killer. The music complements the singing and lyrics beautifully. Something about the whole thing makes for a deeply personal connection.

[@misterquantum7767]

I love this song. I've loved this song since I was a kid. It's incredible.

[@stvbrsn]

It’s incredeeble

[@lana4182]

Same and to rediscover it again is incredible.

[@eatbricksoup]

The soundtrack of my childhood, :*)

[@TimGallant]

It's incredible, unforgettable, edible....

[@rray848]

I don't know if someone else in your 3000+ comments have already told you but that noise that you asked "What is that sound?" was a sound effect from an electronic football video game. It is the sound made when you are tackled in the game. It was a popular video game back in 1978 when this was being recorded. Thank you for your analysis... your song reviews are always entertaining and informative.

[@randyduncan795]

I remember it as a handheld football game. Video might be a stretch. The display consisted of LED segments representing players. This type of handheld electronic game was super popular in the late '70s.

[@richardporter1787]

I the sound is orchestral castanets.

[@Crash765]

@@richardporter1787 Not that sound. The one at 22:03. He's right. It's an old Mattel handheld electronic football game. Either that or something that sounds just like it. I used to have one of those.

[@2015DMJG]

I still have mine and it still works

[@JohnD-scaledecks]

Been a Supertramp fan since the beginning, saw them live half a dozen times or more. We had "Two of Us" played at our wedding 42 years ago. I think "Hide in Your Shell" is their most haunting, and "Take the Long Way Home" is an excellent funky romp.

[@lou-anhsinnassamy1854]

Hide in your shell ♥️♥️

[@marcushull12]

I've been a fan since the 70`s too and went to their last full band tour in 1983 (still have the framed tour poster on my wall , where i go it goes lol), i`d find it hard to recommend a song as I love nearly all of them. I love the long end songs particularly, Fool's Overture, Child Of Vision, Crime Of the Century etc. LOVE Another man's woman live , were Rick just goes ballistic on the piano, He`s the Dave Gilmour of the piano lol

[@xannith9533]

Don’t forget Rudy off the same album.

[@trevorsongary3431]

I love your channel for one big reason.... You bring a wonder to popular music that the music elite have denied for so long. A recognition of the technical side of popular music that puts it on the same level as "great" music like opera and symphonics. Too many musical snobs have called popular music and rock n' roll as "musical junk food" for decades! You show people that the music they love and adore is just as technically sound as any aria composed by Mozart or Beethoven. Thank you.

[@dreambrother1240]

I was 11 when this came out, and it was an immediate lifeline. Coming from an emotionally and physically abusive home, I had a strong connection to this song. I was moved by something, about the melody and lyrics, that would take me years to understand. Here was someone on the radio, that was also being told they were not 'acceptable'. This helped me to build my strength, on many levels, and is impossible to listen to, even today, without tearing up. Many thanks out to Roger Hodgson and the band for changing my life!

[@jessithanks8082]

Your comment made me tear up 😢 It's interesting to see how a song that I always related to but didn't necessarily feel a strong emotional connection with was such a lifeline for someone else. Though I already loved this song, I'll feel it even more now. I guess since I spent my teens in the 90's, (& there was so much good sad music then) I mostly relied on songs from that era to cling to in my more painful times.

[@b62boom1]

The album Breakfast in America, that this is from, is absolutely exceptional! Songwriting at its best.

[@britheanvil]

The entire Breakfast In America album is a true classic and worth listening too.

[@TheContingencyPlan]

It’s also heavily 9/11 encoded. Supertramp was part of the club. Haven’t looked but I’d bet there’s a good chance Roger and/or others are high level Masons.

[@lornfant]

As others have said, Supertramp was a very big part of me growing into this world. I adore this particular recording, performance of The Logical Song. These guys had an impact on me from the first time I heard them. Yet there are little nuances, changes that have come over time, over many performances, that draw me further in. I love hearing your joy at something that has moved me so deep. (My very first live concert - Supertramp, Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, 1976)

[@lorimiller8297]

Ah Supertramp, a huge part of my high school days. This album was huge back then. I still consider their album Crime of the Century one of the best of all time. The song School is amazing. Thanks for another trip down memory lane. Great reaction! ❤

[@TrashWerewolf]

I remember unwrapping my copy of Breakfast In America as a high school student, and it BLEW. MY. MIND!! The depth of songwriting and composition...the heartfelt vocals and lyrics just opened my eyes to a whole new musical world! Additionally, the sings still hold up today! I hope you'll explore many more songs from them. It's a fantastic rabbit hole to go down!

[@Derideo]

yes

[@tjhoward8412]

"LONG WAY HOME" from Supertramp gives me chills every time I hear it....

[@joebalusikiii5811]

As a Gen-Xer, this story always resonated with me. In my mind the lyrics play out as a conversation between the inner child and adult, with musical and melodic dichotomy as well. Such awesomeness!

[@donaldgenenavarro]

OMG you are discovering my favorite band. I’m giddy with delight. If you ever get the chance, ‘Even in the Quietest Moments’ is a true masterpiece, beginning to end, imho ❤

[@MrRomingerd]

One other thing to note... The album that this song comes from "Breakfast In America", is one of those rare albums where every song on the entire album is incredible.

[@Redspeciality]

Ditto Roger’s solo album “Classics Live” every song is amazing, arguably better than when he was with Ttamp

[@jessithanks8082]

True, except that wasn't as rare in those days as it is now 🙄

[@rostoff]

Almost wholeheartedly agree. This is the album I backed as best ever during enhanced college all nighters. I would loose to Rumors and SGT Peppers, but I would pitch it. There are two weaker tracks that bring it down a bit.

[@wbshappy1]

This song makes me think of a boring school student (or perhaps inmate, draftee in a barracks, etc.) pondering "while all the worlds asleep", what he was, and what he is becoming in the program which is his defined, daily life. "Please tell me who I am!" His vocals and the whole song are like a stage or screen actor's performance... I love how you're pointing out the nuances; your causing me to appreciate this song more than I ever did.

[@bryanreese5884]

Thank you so much for this. Supertramp is one of my favorite bands. The Crime of the Century album is a TOTAL work of art!!!

[@joeb4142]

This instantly transformed me back to High School Spanish class in 1979 where someone had written all the words to the song on the chalkboard. Strange what trivia can be stored in the brain for 40+ years! Boarding school for 10 years? 😳 Holy McFuggle Elizabeth rapidly blinking is always a very good sign. The subtle vocal nuances Elizabeth points out are … just amazing. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard this song but not noticed most, or all, of these slight soupçons of musicality. Elizabeth saying, “I dig it” makes me fall into KZbin fandom crush mode even more lol I think this is one of my favourite Charismatic Voice reactions/analyses. She just does what she wants, listens to a bit of the music over and over again just because, and has an almost childlike delight in the song that is endearing.

[@danb.6294]

I've never stopped listening to this. I'm 67 and Crime of the Century is in my CD player in the car.

[@Upemm]

@@danb.6294 I still have LP.😀

[@ub2bn]

@@Upemm awesome. back in the day I had the audiophile album. the cuckoo clock at the end of asylum was loud and clear.

[@panpiper]

I was a huge Supertramp fan in my youth. I was in the audience during their last ever concert. There was much weeping.

[@BassistInATutu]

This has always been one of my favourite songs. I was sent to boarding school at 13 and the woeds and feeling have always touched me. Loved the reaction. Was amazing to see your face!! Coud see how much you were loveing it. It's amazing to see someone discover one of your facourite songs. Especially one I have knows for so long. Over 30 years!! Oh god now I feel old! lol.

[@ericsaari2901]

Love this song. It's so sad, but also fun, idealistic, and inspires you to remember why it makes you sad that society trains the wonder out of you. i think ultimately, it is a reminder to not forget, and keep both modes of living fully accessible to you. Really do adore this song and listened to it a lot as a kid. Very important song for me. I'm glad you heard it and reacted to it. And enjoyed it! 🙂

[@FarrellMcGovern]

As others have said, "Fool's Overture" is a classic. OF course, "Give a Little Bit" was a huge hit for them. Both have great vocal performances by Roger Hodgson. Back when I used to set up sound systems for DJs gigs, I used "Fool's Overture" for testing the sound system. Great highs, and lows with lots of dynamic range and transistions.

[@pketley]

Thats funny - I was a mobile DJ back in the 80's and always used Supertramp to test the set up and room acoustics too. Dreamer Mostly, to see what in the room would vibrate in the second half drum ramp up. Once I thought I had it right, I would play Alan Parsons Eye in the Sky just to check the balance and stereo. I think someone from the Chicago Bulls came to one of my gigs....... Audiophiles Unite!

[@ianwulf24]

Supertramp is such an underrated band. What a nice surprise to see today. This reaction/breakdown put a smile on my face.

[@nickjeffery536]

I remember hearing this song as a kid, and loving the rhythm and the overall sound of the song, without really having a full understanding of the meaning of it - as an adult, it's still awesome fun to listen to, but the meaning is so much deeper as well. I'm no singer or musician, but watching someone new fall in love with a song that I've always loved was amazing!

[@adrianwright1702]

I love this song, it resonates with me a lot. The journey from childhood to grown up and the shift that society seems to force on us. Work, relationships, education, stresses, responsibilities, expectations and so on. People say "just be yourself". I don't know who that is and I'm 68 y.o. Who am I? What a great question.

[@theolliedog]

You are just so great. Your facial expressions when you hear something new and unexpected are incredibly endearing. Plus, your analyses of both vocal performances and song structures are not only uniquely instructive but also filled with joy, humor, and a deep passion for music. Keep doing what you are doing. It's brilliant. P.S. Your analysis of The Darkness "I Believe in a Thing Called Love" had me in stitches. The Darkness are amazing. So few people get their mixture of absurdist, over the top Spinal Tap humor/attire and kick ass Classic Rock chops. Plus, Justin Hawkins vocals are other worldly. They are piercingly high but with seemingly no effort can also blow the roof off the house. The Darkness are an astonishing modern day mixture of AC/DC and Queen to me. I absolutely love them. That's saying a lot considering I write highly orchestrated "Electronic" music. The closest I typically get to "Classic Rock" is The Cars.

[@charliestevenson3500]

Elizabeth, If you loved this live version, you will love the studio version equally or even more. They worked miracles with analog equipment and techniques. The 70s were a great time to listen to music.

[@martincoons823]

I'm still enchanted with the fact that analog was so much more difficult to work with yet the sound came through with clarity unmatched by digital. Your point spot on

[@commentatron]

Agreed. Also, by the time of this performance, near the end of their 10 month 1979 tour, they'd played this song over 150 times. The playful, odd inflections noticed by EZ may have been as much to stave off boredom as anything else.

[@Rassskle]

@@martincoons823 Digital removes the soul from all music. Listen to your favourite Record through a digital system and it sounds like a poor recording. Listen to a digitally remastered CD then the original...... apart from the unwanted remixing from a producer who thinks he is better than the band or artists, the feel and soul of the music is gone..... sometimes clearer , but sterile. Digital is as fake as texting your partner when sitting next to them.

[@martincoons823]

@@Rassskle I couldn't agree with you more I picked up my first guitar when I was 7 on 57 now I still burn up my 33s

[@rickrutledge9363]

She seems to be allergic to studio versions... They are better, in my opinion!

[@dmbradley4]

For someone who has listened to this music for over 40 years and having it be the soundtrack to their life and then seeing someone glow in a reaction to songs I've heard thousands of times reminds me how magical my life has been. thanks!

[@thefogfriendlyoldguy1627]

Wonderful reaction to one of my favourite bands from my twenty's (the 1970'). I'll never forget hearing "School" on a really, really good audiophile system in the mid 70's and thinking there were kids outside playing, only to realize it was on the record. Supertramp was my first introduction to what excellent engineering could sound like on vinyl with a top-notch audiophile system. Breathtaking! Then, add amazing musicians, tunes, and lyrics. Every LP is perfection.

[@pamelawertz498]

Goodbye Stranger! I always think of that one sort of paired with The Logical Song. They were the two biggest singles from Breakfast in America, which you will have to someday listen to completely, because there are so many songs on that album done so well musically, vocally, lyrically...

[@meeshgardner83]

I just want kippers for breakfast.

[@zlatan_2197]

Oh this is one of my favourite childhood songs, my brother heard it on the radio when he was just a wee kid in the '90s, and he showed it to me years later because I'm younger, it's always been special for me

[@Mark-qq9cd]

This album helped me get through some lonely years in my late teens… Way back when it was released. Wonderful review!

[@lana4182]

Came across your channel for the first time. I usually prefer to see quick reactions but your enthusiasm was a joy to see. Regarding your comment about the change in stylisation from the 1st verse to the 2nd, I theorise that Roger Hodgson is letting the edgier emotion show a shift in age from child to teen or young adult while the chorus echos the simple sentiment. Great break down of a beautiful song.

[@sasakanjuh7660]

As a teen, I heard this as a part of Scooter's "The Logical Song", which I though was super catchy at the time, having no idea it's an actual remix.. Now, hearing the original version, it's much closer to the music I listen to nowadays, and it's still super catchy.. Such an amazing song, thanks for this discovery! :)

[@MonstaAU]

Yep, it's very different and great if you want to bounce and rave your way through the melody. I am old enough to know the original version but was not quite born when it came out, so when Scooter's version dropped I already knew it. The saddest thing is that we are now getting the Eiffel 65 'Blue' remixes which means the original is now old enough to drink in the US!

[@jeffc8965]

Kirk was right. I was just listening to this song earlier this week and thinking... "When will we get Supertramp on the Charismatic Voice?"

[@normaaguirre2738]

BEAUTIFUL Melody. I was around teen age when heard it now I’m 50s and still love it

[@danroth3514]

I was watching this video and then my neighbor came and we watched it together. He said that this video changed his life and touched his heart. I then went and rented a projector in a big field and my entire town watched it and it changed their lives too. We all are so grateful. Thank You for this video….

[@Bionicmonstrosity]

This happened within an hour of it coming out? Must be a small town...

[@erinyeza]

Thank you Elizabeth, you make me cry watching some of my favourite bands .. tears yes. Just reminds me of how fortunate I was growing up with amazing music, like this. Thank you 💙

[@movenlaughwithnat9045]

I cry too

[@waynelizardi9985]

😢😊

[@bela-sofia34]

One of the things I appreciate so much about your reactions to songs is your connection to and appreciation of the lyrics. I also so love how your training and expertise come into play, especially as a vocalist and songwriter myself who has no formal training in music. Watching you leaves me full of little revelations as I hear you explain concepts and then put the term to them that I didn't previously have before. You're so educational and warm at once. Not too "clinical" or "logical" and definitely very much full of wonder. ❤️‍🔥

[@brianpuffer7380]

You never fail to deliver joy to my day! Never stop!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Thank you, Brian!

[@metalheadmike774]

I love this song so much. Such a huge memory from my childhood. It was tumultuous time in my life then but even as a kid music was my escape. Absolutely wonderful song!

[@rootbox]

"Crisis, What Crisis", " Breakfast in America", "Even in the Quietest Moments" and their masterpiece, "Crime of the Century"= top shelf albums that must be savored whole

[@jonathanolson4719]

I appreciate that you are analyzing a live version.... You would probably enjoy the studio version even more.... That's what I listened to in my teens..... Over and over.... 😎👍

[@TonySchopp]

I could listen to you marvel in the deepest joys of music all day! There's nothing more rewarding than wallowing in the stylistic approaches and mandatory quirks elicited by top flight vocal talents. Totally love your niche. It's truly fun and informing at the same time.

[@redeagle2793]

I am 56 years old and I remember the first time I ever heard this song. My best friend and I went to another friend's apt and his mom was playing this song while cleaning chittlings. I loved the song, but I was not going to eat that. lol I lost my friend to drugs at 35 and this song is one of the triggers for me to think about him.

[@solohomesteader]

I dont know what it is about this song, but its been a favorite since I was a little kid hearing it on a small transistor radio beside my bed. I instinctively knew even at that age that it was a playful warning about what can be lost in adulthood, and to be on guard against what others might do to you. Its just a song that ive heard literally my entire life and every single time its playful, fun, and a delight!

[@clydestoutamire2273]

It never ceases to amaze me how time can insulate the younger generation from the past especially in music. This young lady and her contemporaries seems as though they have been deposited back on earth from a time capsule orbiting earth. I guess it’s to be expected. Time is such an enigma.

[@stephgreen3070]

I. Love. Me.Some. SuperTramp. Breakfast in America was one of my dad’s favorite albums and I grew up with it. As I got older, more respectable, cynical etc…I realize just how amazing this band is. It brings back so many good memories of my Dad.

[@julianortiz4151]

I’ve loved this song since I was a kid in the late 70s. I just thought it was a cool song on the radio but, when I got older and understood what was being conveyed in the lyrics this song became super important to me. This was a very cool reaction and, yes, I absolutely loved every minute of it. Good call on his recommendation. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@julianortiz4151]

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[@JoeThomas-kx5sw]

This is one of my favorite songs. To me it is about how magical childhood is. Then you have to go to school to learn how to be logical and practical, which takes a lot of the fun out of life.

[@livedandletdie]

I mean it doesn't have to take a lot of fun out of life, but the education system exists solely to beat the fun out of you, to make everyone uniform, to silence questions, to make people depend upon the government and to not think for themselves, while always viewing everyone else in a bad light, and especially those who doesn't fit into the fold. As kids even if kids are brutally honest and extremely amoral, they're innocent in mind, and while they might call a fat lady on the street fat, they mean no harm with it. Meanwhile as we grow up in the system, all creativity is tossed aside, you're not told to learn stuff, or question how things work, or anything of that sort, no, this is the propaganda and you should remember it, thus in the end when people grow up, their brains are fried, one can tell from all the College Kids these days, they enter smarter than they come out. It's a really sad thing, and it's so often ignored, because it's not that important politically. Which saddens me, because I believe that education should be a boost to the kids self-worth, and an enjoyable experience, of learning new things, and one can teach a lot of stuff in a more fun way, where the kids creativity isn't hampered. I'd personally toss the current education system in the bin, especially when it comes to the STEM subjects and most importantly math. Math can be so simple to teach, and letting the kids themselves explore it, and try to figure out stuff, and kids need to learn long division again... because repeated subtraction is very much easier to understand. 358/16 isn't that easy to solve in your head... but 358-160-160-16-16 for 22r6 or 22 + 3/8 or 22.375 is a lot easier to do.

[@Damcarnivore]

The basics need teaching but learning how to question so you can understand is a top priority. Along with knowing somethings are truths and if you ignore them true growth will never happen.

[@alucide]

Another artist you should listen to; Tracy Chapman. She has such a beautiful powerful voice. There's a live version of her song "Fast car" at Wembley, it's her on a podium with just a mic and a guitar and it's incredible. Her vocals sound even better than they do on the perfectly mixed album (although the song deserves a full band). She's able to get 60.000 people to go quiet and pay attention with her singing in mere seconds.

[@tommihommi1]

Behind The Wall is amazing as well, being pure vocals and insanely powerful for such a short song.

[@sharonjuniorchess]

I loved this when it first came out & I heard it at boarding school. I still can't get enough of it as it has become an all time classic.