Evangelical and a Catholic walk into a basilica…

The creator of The Chosen is an evangelical. The actor playing Jesus is a Catholic. Do these different perspectives ever create issues for them like they do some viewers?
In the summer of 2021, the growing impact of The Chosen led to Dallas and Jonathan being invited to the Vatican to meet the Pope. The day before the meeting, they stood outside St. Peter’s basilica to discuss Dallas’s discomfort with treating buildings as holy.
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[@lydiareid3689]

I, as a Catholic, am so grateful for this interaction between two denominations. The time has come that we understand how we all practice our faith no matter what it may be. Thank you Dallas and Jonathan for showing how it's done💕

[@themanstan0785]

Salvation by grace through faith alone

[@edwardanugent]

@lydiareid3689: I am a cradle Catholic and attended Catholic schools from k-University. Just a heads up, Cathollism is not a demination. We are a direct line to Jesus. A denomination is a branch, we are the trunk itself.

[@Jerryboy97]

@@edwardanugent you could say we are the Rock

[@Tony-so1zl]

Catholicism isn’t a denomination, it is the original Christianity. Evangelicals are a part of a denomination

[@Kaleb.R]

​@edwardanugent Lord Jesus is the trunk. We are the branches

[@carolmoberg3715]

I'm not Catholic, but I don't see the idolatry in the way Catholics treat art and relics. The paintings, statues, architecture serve the same purpose as the series does. People a 1000 years ago didn't have video to personalize the stories and the people like we do. These representations help bring to life the stories and concepts. There should be things that are sacred. If nothing is sacred, nothing is profane.

[@mcspankey4810]

Thanks for the charity. People seem to actively feed themselves misinformation about what we believe ;p

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

You understood it quite well. Thank you. We Catholics worship God alone, nothing else. People like to put words into what we believe and do.

[@Murk.mp4]

That's what I like to think about the art - however, some devotees make it different when they're literally bowing down to it or crying when touching it. That's just me though in a Catholic-filled Asian country

[@ilmabernardo4389]

Catholics built Eastern culture

[@mcspankey4810]

@@Murk.mp4 its important to look at what the church teaches and what the saints have to say about it before assuming every one is a well catechized catholic - there are many things catholics do that aren't catholic (usually they aren't well catechized)

[@DW-gf7nd]

I dunno about you guys but I feel something amazing happening in the world at the moment, even among the heavy burden of evil all around. People from all faiths are finding Christ. They are uniting across cultural and faith barriers. Praise be to Jesus.

[@miryambarnabas2424]

Praise be to Jesus!

[@honorscore1060]

Yes omg!! I’m feeling the exact same way I’m so glad I’m not alone

[@teairraweiss4195]

Amen!

[@musicandthewalk]

Amen. One day we will all be united in one tongue praising one God.

[@jdoe981]

Same!

[@mimiplay20]

As a devout Catholic, I'm totally OK with Johnathan speaking up for the Catholic Church anytime! 😊 that was a very simple, beautiful, humble explanation.

[@barbarabaldwin7120]

INDEED!

[@ashleyronan358]

I mean he is a devout Catholic himself so i trust him lol

[@IAMTHELORDOFLUCIFER]

Isaiah 1 and Matthew 5,6,7 and 23 clearly show how God does not enjoy religious hypocrisy and Catholics tend to think in their heart that their own effort of the sacraments will save them. Catholicism is evil, and so is playing Jesus Christ. An Evangelical and a Catholic walk into a basilica, and they still do not believe. But politeness and niceness abounds, why can’t we all just get along? Drivel useless unprofitable nonsense. Here it is Everyone is a sinner and Jesus is The Way, all people need the grace of The Lord Jesus Christ And when people think their own efforts, aside from actual faith in Jesus Christ coupled with the humility to admit they are sinners, will save them they are really just in unbelief.

[@omegathan]

ah yes, the church jesus himself founded is "evil" 😂

[@iamtheteapot7405]

@@IAMTHELORDOFLUCIFER Of course we are saved by God's grace alone, Catholics and Orthodox also believe this to be true but we have to understand the entirety of the teachings of the Church and scripture. James writes in his epistle, "just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead." so it is clear that faith, if alone, is not sufficient. For even the demons believe and they tremble, so a true and saving faith is perfected or made complete through our works. Yes Abraham believed but did his belief alone save him? No it was his faith being fleshed out in his works that saved him. Noah believed but did his belief suspend him over the tides until they subsided? No his building of the ark was the actualization and completion of his faith. How can we say that we have faith and not be faithful? So I am basically paraphrasing James' epistle here but I think it is clear that faith alone does not save, nor is it taught in scripture. However God's grace alone is the only thing that can save us, our own works are for naught if we are not found in God's grace. So how do we enter into God's grace? By faith. What does that faith look like, is it merely belief? No it is a living faith that is perfected in our works. Now go and research Church history and see what the Church taught for the first 1500 years of its life.

[@georgeabhayoic]

Answering the question, why Peter's bones are considered holy, the answer lies in an understanding of varying degrees of holiness. I think for Protestants there are only two degrees of holiness. Something is "holy" or "not holy", no more no less. But for Catholics and Orthodox, there is a whole range of "Holiness". God is the Most Holy... HOLY HOLY HOLY. Mary and the saints share in the holiness, in as much as they lived their lives based on His Word, and in constant "communion" with God. They are not holy by themselves, but the holiness of God radiates in them. In venerating their lives and memories, we are only venerating the holiness of God revealed through them. Again, God is the subject of "worship", "adoration". Mary and the Saints are never "worshipped". They are "venerated" in as much as their "memories are respected", their examples are followed, because their lives inspire us to lead better Christian lives. The lives of the Saints remind us that Christian perfection is not impossible. If they can do it, so can we.... Back to the bones... well, they are considered sacred... but to what degree? Are they as Holy as God? Certainly not... The degree of holiness certainly matters. Can a person be saved if he/she does not venerate the bones/relics of Peter, well certainly yes...

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

Reminds you of what St Paul wrote ---seventh heaven ---there are degrees of holiness, of glory, even in Heaven.

[@pisaoportugal5135]

To be near this bones made me feel so intense comotion...the real and sure presence of the body of someone so close to JESUS is the most incredible chalenge to my septicism!

[@brendanworley1659]

The best thing about Catholics is there non use of scripture when speaking about why their false doctrine is true

[@Deto4508]

@@brendanworley1659 Scripture is interpreted differently ways nowadays, but the original way of interpreting Scripture was by the original Church which was the now Catholics and Orthodox Church, that being said we do grow up into certain churches that all Praise Christ our Saviour, but we should not condemn each other Christians because of how we worship him, and what differences that we have, we leave the judgement to God and we do what he called us to do and in this case it starts with loving one another and not being in any form of hatred, especially of differences on how to worship Christ, May God bless us my brother

[@georgeabhayoic]

@@brendanworley1659 All heretics use the scriptures when validating their false doctrines. So using scriptures does not prove anything. I was only trying to explain something, not validate anything.

[@cactusrose9601]

As a practicing Catholic, the reverence I feel for places is NOTHING compared to my love for Christ. But I get a very special feeling when I see what faith has created in sites such as St. Peter’s Bacilica.

[@meusisto]

As a former protestant, the reverence I learned to have for sacred places actually made my reverence for God grow.

[@workemail7862]

God Bless you!!!

[@estellefoster4084]

Amen

[@steelmongoose4956]

Icons, places, relics-they all point toward the glory of God. Shunning them would be like shunning the ocean or the sky, as these are also a reflection of the glory.

[@isaiahtucker801]

You my friend need to repent mary is not seated on the right hand of power and given all Authority only one way jesus if your praying to anyone els thats idolatry and your prayers aren’t reaching no higher than the roof

[@justforrfunnn]

I love Jonathan’s humility “there are theologians who can answer better than I can”

[@elainelksuabernet]

My husband is from Italy , he converted me to the catholic. My first time in the Vatican, I didn’t realized that was the main headquarters and center of the church and home for the pope. I went to my first confession there at Saint Peter while I was still in RCIA, I didn’t know then. After my visit there, I started to learn how to pray the Rosary, Chaplet and my love for the faith grew. I am so in-love with the Catholic. I didn’t know how much Jesus suffered for us and how much our Mother Mary love us so much. I realized I don’t deserve all of these gifts that I found in the catholic faith because I am a sinner 😢but I thank you Jesus and Mama Mary for giving me so much and have me as part of the Catholic family. ❤

[@SuriyaLinhStudios]

You deserve your blessings and more. Jesus died so that we could be forgiven, your sins are forgiven

[@ArtByAhri]

Jesus is the only way. don't praise anything else as equal.

[@hillerymcdonald2303]

I'm late to reply for certain, but yours is perhaps the most beautiful comment I've ever read on youtube.

[@abnerdomine5422]

@@ArtByAhrishe doesn't praise anything equal as Jesus Her life is for Christ and by Christ

[@KizyLirio]

Amem 🙏

[@janethays1503]

This is a great and respectful exchange between a catholic and an evangelical on their differences in worship and how they view holy places. Thank you for giving us this conversation.

[@miraclefarm1927]

Amen! Much love!

[@HiddenInPlainSight386]

The sorrows [pain and suffering] of those who have chosen another god will be multiplied [because of their idolatry]; I will not pour out their drink offerings of blood, Nor will I take their names upon my lips.

[@HiddenInPlainSight386]

@@SM-wv7iu well , maybe its time for enlightenment and education? I see obviously his heart is in the right place and what hes attempting to do is noble however there's an issue with being deceived and deceiving others unknowingly. Catholics Do Not know Jesus, nor do most of the Jews. Then there's those who follow the Talmud, Who HATE Christ! Yes serious ERROR. Speak the Truth if you see it and understand. I do this not out of condemnation, but from a place of Love and Concern for those out there who are supposed to be one body in Darkness and blindness following another god. They're salvation is in question. There is ONLY ONE who stands at the door! Thankyou for responding!

[@kaylamd8570]

@@SM-wv7iu Stop bearing false witness against other Christians.

[@phillipleboa5251]

CATHOLISM IS PURE EVIL AND SATANIC. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, NOR CHILDREN OF GOD, THEY ARE NOT IN THE PICTURE. POINT.

[@georgeabhayoic]

Art was a medium of catechesis for the common illiterate people in olden times. It is also a medium of expression. People who experience Christ want to express themselves. They can never be silent. Thus, those talented with language write books, others write songs, others make films, create sculptures, etc. We who enjoy the works of their hands are led to catechesis. Just like the Chosen gives us a catechesis, a deeper understanding into Jesus' life and the others surrounding him, the works of art, sculptures, paintings, etc. did the same. I can say that people like Michaelangelo were the Dallases of their times. Dallas now is actually paining portraits of say, Peter, his wife, Mary the Mother of God, Mary Magdalene etc. in our minds.

[@arkofthecovenant6235]

You make interesting points not easily seen 🕯👍🏼🕯

[@IamN...]

Amen.

[@debbiesimpson6140]

This gave me a better understanding of art from the eyes of the illerarate and a challenge to keep our eyes on the Savior as we enjoy the beauty of these amazing artists. I can't look into the heart of men to see if it becomes idolitry but God can and does even today. As the contemporary song says. "clear the stage set the sound and sights a blaze if that's the measure you must take to crush the idols"

[@jeffreygura8171]

Very well said!!!

[@bernadettematera-stacey1982]

Beautifully said, George, thank you!

[@kathysowers]

Knowing Jonathan's heart for all of this, I give him a solid 10 out of 10. He has not missed a beat in any episode. Not over-done, not aloof, just ... right.

[@HopeOfJoe]

Amen and amen ✨ ✅

[@darleeners2263]

Absolutely!

[@SixStringSlinger1]

He's missed EVERY single beat. They will all be judged for this show. Not one of them actually believe in the true Jesus. This show is tied mostly to Mormons, as well as occultists, LGBTQ, Jesuits, etc. Watch the 5 hr long video that exposes it. It's not opinion, it's from THEIR own mouths.

[@MPFXT]

He seems to be a good man Pray for Holy Purity.

[@bearvillebear1468]

Praise the Lord for what He's done through this.

[@TheDeecue]

I took my wife and 19 year old son to Rome in 2007. When we walked into St. Peter's I was overwhelmed at the size, the history and especially the art. There was a mass that was going to held (in Latin) and my wife and son elected not to attend. I went though. Listening to the mass in Latin moved me literally to tears. I wept. And any time I would open my eyes all I could see was Bernini's stained glass window of the Dove of the Holy Spirit. It's a moment that I'll never forget. Btw, I started watching The Chosen this week and every episode there are moments where I cry. Such a beautiful series.

[@rupinderh01]

Me too I went to St Peters in 2008 but I didn't realise it's significance. Im Sikh and a person in our group organised it, I thought it was beautiful inside and I sat and listened to the prayer. I'm watching the chosen now , and I only realised now where I had visited and it's significance I feel like I was meant to have visited it. I love God, and Jesus they are loving. I have always wondered about Jesus even though I'm from a different faith, and I love the positive teachings of my faith too, and I always felt Jesus was peaceful and loving. I also respect that many popes are buried there. God bless 🙏

[@rubyromero1374]

Es como la conversion de san agustin que fue conmovido su corazon por una misa

[@wandrelitarosinibernini5170]

Sempre quis ir ao vaticano e ver a basílica que Bernini fez. Meu sobrenome é Bernini e sou católica tradicional.

[@eliseos4127]

It doesn't bother you that your church butchered, stole an killed to build this monstrosity?? That Jesus never worshipped in such a thing. Read the scriptures. Convert to Orthodoxy!

[@amyhansen6272]

Thank you two wonderful godly men for so respectfully and opening sharing your different approaches/beliefs as brothers. It’s beautiful to see an evangelical and a Catholic so aware of their differences yet so united in Christ and bonded in love. As an evangelical, I have truly appreciated learning more about Catholic beliefs through dearly respected brother Jonathan. I agree with you Dallas, we’ve gone too far the other way. Thank you for doing this video. Bringing the two together is beautiful. Love you guys!

[@sandomingue]

@KYZOJEN Oh, another Protestant extremist. Zero research too. Comments like yours make me want to become more Catholic. Praying for you🙏

[@kaylamd8570]

@KYZOJEN Why don’t you stop bearing false witness against your catholic brothers and sisters in Christ? You know it is wrong.

[@KBowWow75]

As a Catholic who watches and follows evangelical and to an extent baptist services and sermons, the thing I take the most out of the diversity of experiencing both denominations is a truly enlightening connection with God. Evangelicals focus a lot about helping each other and the messages focus on pulling scriptures that can relate to our circumstantial lives and draw us nearer to God. Much of the Catholic church is based on the Gospels and the history of the church and Jesus's timeline. It is very structured. It also seems at times like God gave the catholic church instructions about how things should appear or be done, to the degree He gave Noah specific instructions with building the ark. It's all very detail oriented and specific across the congregations.

[@free2singpsalms49]

Religion is a scam! Denominations have severed the body into peices and made the church weaker! Jesus is the way the truth and the life none will make it except thru him!

[@maryrobertson4645]

Bottom line we can come together to glorify him. We are brothers and sisters in christ!

[@TheLauraMarieT2]

Lol - I’m Catholic and my bestie is a Protestant - we never argue anything but just share a passion and love of Jesus and The Chosen. Great interview! All love there ❤️🕊🙏🏼

[@atleejeeva2752]

Same thing in my life too ❤❤❤

[@amoyjoyce1117]

LauraMarie Taylor I no longer call my self catholic I am a a Christian since I became born again , as a Catholics I knew about Jesus but don’t know him personally , now I know him, now I know he hears all my prayers and I can say I know he is right beside me now.. The Catholic Church made a lot of money from the poor people and the rich that salvation is from the Catholic Church that’s a lie! They deceived the people saying their love ones are in Purgatory And they must pay to get them out to go to heaven , many rich people left all there riches to the church many left the church In their will. Jonathan does not know he is clueless but the Holy Spirit will open his eyes . It was Martin Luther who after trying to reach God he was always confessing his sins because he was afraid of going to hell then one day he came across Romans 1:16 it is by faith we are save ! He got angry and all the people who were being deceived believing they must Earn their salvation by doing good works to gain indulgences that does not exists i the Bible , Eph 2:8-9 it is by grace the cross and faith we are saved not of works so no one can boast , it’s a gift from God. I’m so glad I could not understand indulgences. Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the church door and the Bible Gods word was set free , . Only the Catholic Church had the Bible and it was In Latin so very few people read it , but God use Martin Luther In a profound way. Martin Luther wrote books against the Jews saying God did not love the Jews his people , so when the printing press went mad the Bible was printed In several languages and people read for the first time How much God loves his people.and saw Martin Luther lied. Gods word was set free this was the work of God.. Martin Luther wrote books that Hitler used to persecute the Jews. And it was the Catholic Church that cause the persecution against the Jews around the world. The early church father did that to . When I read the bible for the first time , my first thoughts , lord! what book did the Catholic Church teach from because the Bible and the teaching of the Catholic Church are miles apart , it came to me they have a catechism that’s different from the Bible, that why they all pray to Mary that is idolatry against God , it’s difficult to get Catholics to read the Bible they believe taking communion they are eating his flesh of Jesus but they failed to know he said we are to do this till he returns The Bible is the living word of God, by reading the Bible God increases your faith if you really want to know Jesus it’s not head knowledge it’s heart knowledge that when you understand you must love God with all our heart all our mind and with all your soul and with all your strength.only then you can love your unlovely neighbour because it Gods love in you by his Holy Spirit The Catholic Church and some other religion believes God have forgotten his people the Jews if that’s so why is it, the Jewish feast day we will be celebrating when Jesus returns? , the feast of the tabernacle? It not a catholic feast day I can see Dallas searching for words to say to Jonathan . I still attend mass and I pray for people to experience the Holy Spirit and tell them to read the Bible . The Bible changes lives it did mine and the Holy Spirit led me to Church of England, to experience his love it there is became Born Again and he radicalise my life. God has a sense of humour ! and I attend Church of England I get the word of God, that’s food for my soul when I go there. God is great!

[@nariaaninpoc8213]

@@amoyjoyce1117 you are ill informed, you better watch those brilliant protestant theologian who are now in the Catholic church like Steve Ray, Dr Scott Hahn, Dr David Anders, and all those people who appeared at Journey Home program with Marcus Grodi.

[@Carla....]

@@amoyjoyce1117 Je suis évangélique mais j'en ai tellement marre des donneurs de leçons comme vous!!! Aimez-vous les uns les autres et laissez les gens en paix. Shalom

[@21gioni]

@@amoyjoyce1117 I can honestly say that you must have been deprived of intelligent faith leadership while you were in the Catholic Church. I am Catholic though I have attended many Protestant Christian Churches. I have never found anything that would be called born again. I have found the term born again is very loose in the Protestant Churches. Because in scripture being born again happens at baptism what you experienced is what we as Catholics call confirmation where one receives The Holy Spirit and we confirm our faith in Jesus. We receive the Holy Spirit and through actual conversion and purification we become born again. The born again does not magically go to heaven. You must turn fully from sin and convert which means turn fully away from all evil. I am born again through my baptism and I received the Holy Spirit at confirmation. Since then all aspects of my life changed, my strong faith lead me to pray to God to give my sister another chance to convert and bring her back to life. She died during brain surgery and was declared dead by the doctors and as she was being transferred to the hospital morgue she came back to life and it was the Lord Jesus who gave her a second chance at life. Do you continue to sin? Has calling yourself Born Again stoped you from committing sins. Remember death is the punishment for sin. Are you born again, truly born again, remember the baptism of Fire is to die martyr. Truly born again people suffer more on account of the name of Jesus. Stop with your lies saying that Catholics are not Born again.we are and our magisterium teaches that we are Born again. Church should never change it should remain faithful to the instruction handed down throughout the centuries. Jesus said preach to the sinners and make converts, where in scripture does it say slice up Christ Jesus upon the cross and part your ways creating many churches.

[@mimi_j]

The art really is an expression of worship when directed to God.

[@brittoncain5090]

@KYZOJEN I never know God hated beautiful art.

[@aislinngraves521]

Yes, it reminds me of the scene with Nathaniel under the fig tree as he offers the Lord his blueprints.

[@aislinngraves521]

@KYZOJEN Why do you think that?

[@6248cjl]

Mimi J amen!

[@kaylamd8570]

@KYZOJEN Speaking for God is blasphemy. Repent.

[@joeybagodonuts1008]

As a Catholic, not sure how much more of a personal relationship you can have with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, than receiving His body, blood, soul and divinity in Holy Communion.

[@irishgab04]

To have more personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ: personal prayer (preferably than the memorized or recited prayers), regular personal reading of the Scripture, and obeying the Lord's commandments that you've read from His Word. Hope this helps in the growth of your relationship with Him, God bless.

[@Karlieanne12]

@@irishgab04took the bread made the blessings and said take this all of you and eat of it for this is my body that was given up for you. Do this in memory of me.

[@irishgab04]

@@Karlieanne12 yes and that falls within obeying the Lord's commandments. But having a genuine relationship with the Lord is not only about taking the bread in remembrance of Him. How does a relationship work? By getting to know the person and communicating with the person you have a relationship with. So to have a relationship with the Lord, get to know Him through His Word and communicate to Him with your personal prayers instead of just repeating the same memorized prayer again and again. A genuine Christian with a relationship with the Lord makes it his or her business to get to really, really know Him and make Him known to others (for this is the reason we are saved).

[@AuthenticityVeritas]

@@irishgab04 It's not bread. It's his flesh and there's nothing closer than consuming his flesh and blood in your own body: you become one, which is why it's called communion! As Jesus himself said, if you don't eat his flesh or drink his blood, you have no life in you.

[@irishgab04]

@@AuthenticityVeritas yes I know. In Luke 22:19 "And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” We do this in remembrance of Him. That's why I said that this falls under obedience to the Lord's command. In 1 Corinthians 11:26 "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes." We do this in proclamation of the Lord's death. But is that all there is to having a relationship with the Lord? You do not agree that getting to know the Lord through the Scriptures is not a huge part of your personal relationship with Him? You do not agree that having a real conversation with the Lord through personal prayer is majorly essential to your personal relationship with Him? Are you just going to limit your relationship with the Lord to conformance to tradition?

[@TheBelovedDisciple144]

As a Protestant myself that's one thing I admire much more about Catholics then us. They have extremely high honor and respect for our Christian ancestors who went before us and laid the ground work for where we are today. Like, think about it. If your a Christian you are apart of the spiritual family with the richest historical back ground in the world. And it's mostly all well documented and recorded. I can look back at a man from 1800 years ago and read his work and get all teary eyed cuz I can tell he's living the same kind of life I'm living and walking it out with the same God I'm walking it out with. It's absolutely incredible being a devout Christian and having such a rich spiritual heritage to look back on. It's great to feel that you are apart of something much, much greater then yourself.

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

You're talking of someone from 1800 ---well, I happen to study Church Fathers and I can tell you that as early as the first century, I have someone to look up to. St Irenaeus, St Polycarp --he's even a disciple of St John the Evangelist, the one who is given the credit for the Gispel of John, Revelation and the John epistles.

[@KnightGeneral]

Come Home soon, brother. We, your Catholic family are waiting for you.

[@L2A815]

We need to keep these testimonies (Lives of the Saints) alive. There is grace in remembrance of them. Hebrews, “remember those who have led you, taught the word of Faith to you, consider the outcome of their way of life, imitate them”

[@solarfanwings7330]

Indeed!

[@scottmitchell1974]

@@blessthelordomysoul746 he said 1800 years ago, not 1800.

[@louilouiloui411]

Please pray for me: waiting on law school acceptances, and I have been praying that God use me as a vessel to help others through the law. (PS. Thank you for the “Miracle of the Fish” scene. I cried tears of faith) 🙏🏾

[@JesseDishner]

Standing in faith with you Louis, may God's will be done in your life!

[@yahwehsbeloved7537]

In similar boat bro, applying to loads of tech degree apprenticeships and waiting for answers. Wanna do what glorifies God. Praying x

[@jessica62583]

We definitely need more Christian lawyers out there! I pray you get in. Keep the faith 🙏

[@R_D777]

We need more Christian lawyers proclaiming God's truth and working for His kingdom! I pray the Lord guides your path🙏

[@mai-lanbrown710]

Catholic churches all over the world are holy no matter how grand. It is because Jesus, body blood soul and divinity, is there in the tabernacle waiting for us. True story...We were at a protestant church wedding. My then 7 year old son turned to me with a puzzled look and said. "Mommy, it doesn't feel like Jesus is here." That is the power of Catholic faith in a child of God.

[@TPFB129]

Not to disparage your faith and experience, as the same argument can be applied to many different churches and denominations as you can agree. This to say, as beautiful as Catholic churches are, I haven't felt the holy spirit there as I have in a small church of 50-100. Of course the point of faith and love for and in Christ transcends all denominations, thus I have no denomination.

[@rubyromero1374]

Un dicho dice los borrachos y los niños no mienten

[@jaydenmathews2221]

Yea not to deminish your faith either, but I felt that way as a kid I was brought up Catholic and being in that Church made me feel like God wasn’t in there. Plus i remember the Priest being aggressive with me. But I’m not going to use that to say that’s what makes the church less authentic or true.

[@EliaMiliteChristi]

​@@TPFB129Catholicism is pre denominational brother

[@IAMTHELORDOFLUCIFER]

Isaiah 1 and Matthew 5,6,7 and 23 clearly show how God does not enjoy religious hypocrisy and Catholics tend to think in their heart that their own effort of the sacraments will save them. Catholicism is evil, and so is playing Jesus Christ. An Evangelical and a Catholic walk into a basilica, and they still do not believe. But politeness and niceness abounds, why can’t we all just get along? Drivel useless unprofitable nonsense. Here it is Everyone is a sinner and Jesus is The Way, all people need the grace of The Lord Jesus Christ And when people think their own efforts, aside from actual faith in Jesus Christ coupled with the humility to admit they are sinners, will save them they are really just in unbelief.

[@cloud5074]

Listen Catholics Don’t Idolize Mary, We Are Just Thanking Her For Jesus And How Pure She is

[@CatholicaVeritas777]

THIS

[@claustelmach5305]

Amen! No created human like Mother Mary!!!!

[@lizsim]

Exactly. Of all the questions , always about Mary.

[@emilyransom6276]

Really enjoyed this conversation, as a former evangelical who entered the Catholic Church as an adult, and who loves the show. Dallas, your approach totally picks up on an instinct of Ignatian spirituality of the sixteenth century, fyi. Just to fill in some gaps for Jonathan (as a scholar, but admittedly not a theologian): the veneration of relics and holy sights also connects to an understanding of the human person as body and soul. We are not only spiritual persons, anymore than we are not only physical persons. So the physical bones of Peter who is now in heaven are not divorced from the body he walked around in during his life (and the same applies to my body). As he mentioned, our respect for graveyards across cultures demonstrates that this awareness is somewhat instinctual. We see seeds of this connection between the physical and spiritual throughout scripture: the Israelites’ “translation” of the bones of Joseph out of Egypt (Exodus 13:19, Joshua 24:32), Elisha’s parting of the Jordan with the cloak of the recently assumed Elijah (2 Kings 2:13-14), the dead man who was raised to life upon contact with Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:20-21), and healings that resulted from a touch of Christ’s garment (Mark 5:25-34), Peter’s shadow (Acts 5:15), and Paul’s handkerchiefs and aprons (Acts 19:11-12). There’s a bigger can of worms I could mention: that, until around the Age of Enlightenment, Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant) were always anticipating a future resurrection of our physical bodies. So they didn’t imagine Peter’s soul in heaven as the end game: they anticipated that one day it would be reunited to those very bones you were looking at. This is a bigger can of worms, but if you’re interested, N. T. Wright is a great (Protestant) theologian to read more up on the resurrection of the body-The Challenge of Jesus, published by IVP, is a great introduction. Actually, now that I mention it, it’s all about the historical Jesus, so it’d probably be a great one for you to read as you continue this great work. Thanks for all you’re doing! Each episode continues to make me cry, no matter how many times I watch them.

[@MariadeJesus-dt4ql]

Thank you for this reply. Another very important factor that.protestants do no.understand are the sacraments....and if we talk about the Eucharist sacrament....Jesus is there in soul body and divinity.....and the Catholic church is the temple of God God is there present. I think protestant need to learn about the Eucharistic miracles in the Catholic church...the only church founded by Jesus Christ.

[@joechriste7052]

I made a similar comment but also pointed out that that this place is where Peter laid down his life in exchange for lives of Christians in Rome, following Christ’s example of laying down his life for his friends. The beauty of this place is in the foundation of that reality. The self-sacrificial love exemplified by Christ and Peter.

[@thankfulchildofgod273]

@@MariadeJesus-dt4ql You are quite wrong as it is the born again believer who is the temple of God, not the catholic church. 1 Corinthians 3:16 know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Neither did Jesus found the Catholic church but rather He founded the Christian church.

[@MPFXT]

@@thankfulchildofgod273 You didn't understand what she wrote. Yes, it's true each baptised Christian is a temple of God and the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit as it is written. This is precisely why we receive the Eucharist. Read John 6 and the Last Supper discourses. Jesus commanded us to break bread together in commemoration of Him, and as He said and re-iterated when some of His disciples found it a "hard teaching" and walked away (John 6:66). He restated His command, "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you." Amen! This teaching is why Catholic Christians as temples of God receive Jesus in the Most Holy Eucharist.

[@MPFXT]

@@thankfulchildofgod273 Also, Jesus built "His Church" on the rock of Peter and gave His binding and loosing authority to St. Peter (the 1st Pope) as He stated in Matthew 16:18.

[@EJ-gx9hl]

I appreciate the fact that Dallas said “Peter is alive. He is in Heaven” because I’ve seen so many other Protestants on KZbin talk about how the saints aren’t alive and they’re dead and why bother talking/praying to them. God is the God of the living and not the dead.

[@brucebarber4104]

Exactly, we are all members of the Body of Christ, whether on Earth or in Heaven. "Dying He destroyed our death, rising He restored our life, Lord Jesus come in glory!"

[@mcspankey4810]

They are alive in heaven in their spirit, but our spirit AND body were redeemed so at the resurrection the spirits of the passed return to their bodies to be judged

[@brucebarber4104]

@Martin Luther, The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: 997 What is "rising"? In death, the separation of the soul from the body, the human body decays and the soul goes to meet God, while awaiting its reunion with its glorified body. God, in his almighty power, will definitively grant incorruptible life to our bodies by reuniting them with our souls, through the power of Jesus' Resurrection. 998 Who will rise? All the dead will rise, "those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment." 999 How? Christ is raised with his own body: "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"; but he did not return to an earthly life. So, in him, "all of them will rise again with their own bodies which they now bear," but Christ "will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body," into a "spiritual body": But someone will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?" You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. and what you sow is not the body which is to be, but a bare kernel ....What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable.... the dead will be raised imperishable.... For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.(1 Cor 15:35-37. 42. 53). 1001 When? Definitively "at the last day," "at the end of the world." Indeed, the resurrection of the dead is closely associated with Christ's Parousia: For the Lord himself will descend from heaven, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thess 4:16)[48] 1038 The resurrection of all the dead, "of both the just and the unjust" (Acts 24:15), will precede the Last Judgment. This will be "the hour when all who are in the tombs will hear [the Son of man's] voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment" (Jn 5:28-29).

[@brucebarber4104]

@Martin Luther, from Wikipedia: "In Lutheranism, Martin Luther personally believed and taught resurrection of the dead in combination with soul sleep. However, this is not a mainstream teaching of Lutheranism and most Lutherans traditionally believe in resurrection of the body in combination with the immortal soul.[53] According to the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS), on the last day all the dead will be resurrected. Their souls will then be reunited with the same bodies they had before dying. The bodies will then be changed, those of the wicked to a state of everlasting shame and torment, those of the righteous to an everlasting state of celestial glory." Actually, my reply with the citation from the Catechism of the Catholic Church also came from the Wikipedia article, "Universal Resurrection."

[@brucebarber4104]

@Martin Luther, you're welcome. If I find out anything else, I'll let you know. BTW, that Wikipedia article on Universal Resurrection is quite interesting. It covers many belief systems and includes citations.

[@cheriepearson1070]

I was born into a fundamental, legalistic protestant home. It was soul crushing. I converted to Catholicism 25 years ago and never looked back. Now I experience total freedom. Every holy relic, ever statue, every painting now enhances the worship experience for me.

[@YaakovBuchner]

And in doing so, you yoked yourself to traditions of men, idolatry, and a theology of "Works" that cannot save.

[@elisazanelli2004]

​@@YaakovBuchner please, don't be that rude. Hopefully you're not a Pharisee... But in this moment you really seem to be one..

[@YaakovBuchner]

@@elisazanelli2004 Respectfully, I don't think you know a whole lot about the Pharisees. Christ stated "“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do". And what were their actions, Christ held them accountable to? They're adding to His Word with their own tradition, their own interpretations. And this is the very thing Biblical Christians like myself are holding the Chosen and many of their viewers accountable for. Again, respectfully, if you knew the Word of God, you would not be venerating trespassing of God's Commandments. You wouldn't yoke yourself to these unbelievers and heretics, who have routinely lied, mislead, and disrespected Christ, the Holy Spirit, and their viewers.

[@runrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrun1]

@@YaakovBuchner The Catholic Church was the first and is the only true Christian church. They wrote the Bible and was the only Christian church for 800 years. Simple history could even tell an atheist if they had to choose between any Christian denomination, they would choose Catholicism.

[@YaakovBuchner]

@@runrunrunrunrunrunrunrunrun1 I'm sorry that you have been deceived. The Catholic system was created in the 4th century A.D. by Roman pagans. The Old Testament had existed for centuries to millennia at this point. The New Testament Gospels were 3 centuries old, taught and protected by the early, authentic Christians, that Rome persecuted and murdered. They're no such thing as Christian denominations; one's theology is either true to the Scriptures, or it is not. Catholicism is not! Their claims that they originate with Peter are false! Their first established Pope wasn't until Pope Gregory in 590 A.D.. This man was a nasty, murderous human being! Over the centuries, the Papacy bought, sold, and stole the title, of Pope. At times, 3 different men would call themselves the Pope, fighting for power. They tortured and killed one another, they tortured and killed anyone who rejected their false theology. They murdered authentic Christians and Jews, among others. Catholicism has killed more Christians than anything else in all of history! They teach false salvation through their church sacraments, indulgences, and intercession of those they deem saints. It's a system of Idolatry and praying to the dead. A heretical theology that Christ and His Apostles warned us about.

[@timboslice980]

I'm catholic and I really love this show. I think giving mary such a big role is a nice touch. I think this is one show every Christian will love no matter your denomination

[@pushforgorilla]

pray like Jesus said!

[@milagrosnagallo1784]

I love his face and his eyes he is really the face of Christ love him

[@timboslice980]

@milagrosnagallo1784 yeah I totally agree. I always picture jesus more reserved and reverent. I like to think he's more like how roomier plays him.

[@pushforgorilla]

@@timboslice980 jesus was hilarious no doubt

[@sharondelaney8572]

A very good exchange. As a devout Catholic, it is interesting to hear Dallas' perspective. I love how respectful you are of one another's beliefs. Having also been to the place where Peter's relics were found, what moved me seeing those bones was the fact that Jesus' arms were around the shoulders of Peter. They walked together, talked together, ate meals, cracked jokes, and had friendship that will never end. Those were the very bones that ached when he betrayed Jesus. Those bones were the rock on which He built His Church.

[@MagdalenaIsaiah43]

@Sharon Delaney, love @"They had a friendship that will NEVER end!" I can't even say how beautiful that is and how deeply it has struck my spirit!" TY for blessing my spirit with that gem of wisdom and blessings to you and those you love too💖💖💖🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️

[@PeggyR70]

Beautifully said. Those are the bones of the man who wept broken-heartedly after he denied his Lord. That kind of love must leave a mark even on the man's remains.

[@deliarealtor]

Beautifully said.

[@angiefersi]

Que lindo! Amazing!

[@GardenMinistry.]

Yes Amen 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@JP2GiannaT]

This video's existence would not have been possible a generation ago. I'm tearing up over here. The fact that we can SHARE our faith...I'm beyond words.

[@rosem.9807]

indeed!!!

[@peggyproffit5479]

I feel the same way. A other blessing of The Chosen

[@YaakovBuchner]

That's because a generation ago, people were more concerned with following the Word of God than they were rejecting His Commandments for the sake of Unity. Now it's about excepting everything, the band, waving flags, doing cartwheels, and searching for the supernatural.

[@Deto4508]

@@YaakovBuchner what you say is important in terms of following his word, but we cannot undermine unity in the Church, theres forms of hatred between both Churches that I see and this conversation can help diminish that, now following God’s word is the most important thing and that’s where CIVILIZED and legit conversation about indifferences come and we kind of saw it here but not that much, the thing about the internet is that it gives us a certain amount of adrenaline and pride in the way we speak and it doesn’t help that a lot of people have this mindset, I truly don’t know if Johnathan and Dallas didn’t know each other and were speaking through the internet that the conversation would’ve been this peaceful, what I can say is that before conversing, we can all try to remember Christ’s words, that should help us become more willing to listen and peaceful in our dialogue, God bless you brother❤️

[@LoantakaBrook]

Who are "we" that share faith?

[@LoOpzOops]

This is one of the best respectful exchanges I have witnessed thus far, as a Catholic. It's great to appreciate how they listen attentively to one another.

[@LoantakaBrook]

Seems like Dallas talked more and Jonathan mostly listened. Why was 3:33 edited? I was cringing along with Jonathan. Catholics don't worship idols. Dallas is the boss and Jonathan is the employee - I bet Jonathan was holding back and biting his tongue.

[@bibleman7757]

@@LoantakaBrook catholics do worship idols

[@michelleflick1937]

@@bibleman7757 What idols? Mary is not an idol; she is the Mother of Jesus. Without her cooperation, how would salvation have come to man. She teaches everyone to worship God and considers the people of earth (all, regardless of religion or beliefs) to be her children.

[@faithfirst1476]

@@bibleman7757 Do you have pictures of your loved ones in your house? Are you idolizing them? Hardly not. Just like Catholics have pictures or statues of those who have come before us. We do Not idolize them.❤🙏

[@bK2pa]

@@michelleflick1937 Are you seriously implying without Mary the saviour would have never been born?? She was human, merely an obedient human and nothing more. God found her, he could have also used someone else

[@lionizedlamb5178]

The Protestant Movement thanks to a heavy prideful American influence thinks themselves complete, precise and ever evolving. Humble yourselves and learn from others sir.

[@nunblogger]

Having watched this, I can't help but keep reflecting on the point Dallas made about Peter's bones. It got me thinking about things I always took for granted. My ancestors have been buried in the same New Orleans tomb for 170 years, a tomb that my aunt (now resting peacefully within) used to visit every year on All Souls' Day. Catholic graves and graveyards are consecrated, as the resting places of those whose bodies were washed in Baptism, anointed in the Holy Spirit through Confirmation, fed with the Body of Christ countless times in Holy Communion. When it comes to the saints (and the martyrs), then, we really pull out all the stops. And St Peter? Peter stood straight and tall, supported by those strong bones, to proclaim Christ Jesus on the day of Pentecost, with the fire of the Holy Spirit filling him, body and soul: flesh and blood and bone, all on fire with the Holy Spirit. I never thought of it this way before, but in life, those bones enabled Peter to travel from Jerusalem to Samaria to Antioch to Rome. Those bones kept him nailed (or perhaps tied) upside down to a Roman cross roughly where the obelisk now stands in St Peter's Square. And one day, as the song declares, "Dem bones are gonna rise again!"

[@Shawn-nq7du]

Amen, sister!

[@LifterwiII]

Hi Sister, thank you for the witness of your life experience and God's revelation to your heart. When I left the evangelical church in 2001, many felt that I had "backslidden" and no longer embraced Christ ... yet the truth couldn't be more different. Your post doesn't indicate what religious community you are with, however I am your Franciscan Brother in the Community of Francis and Clare. Blessings!

[@dragsterguy21]

The simple explanation for why it is considered a holy place is that we believe in the resurrection of the body. Many protestants don't believe that. That body one day will be raised into heaven! It is holy!

[@makikoba]

I like Jonathan's answer..."our spirtual ancestors", like a family, we feel and think like that when you are catholic

[@Shawn-nq7du]

@@makikoba Amen

[@levischalupa]

Finally! A good conversation without arguing or throwing insults between different forms of worship. God bless you all!

[@JerryLeeSchrader]

agreed!

[@MA-sk4fg]

I agree, too.

[@madgiemadgie9128]

The prophet Elisha’s bones were used to heal. The handkerchief of St. Paul were used to cure. “ Matter” matters. St. Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom, those were not just mere words, Christ repeated almost verbatim the readings in the book of Samuel, where the prime minister was given authority and would literally wear the keys on his body until the King returned. The Church is Christ’s body on earth.. until He returns.

[@MiguelArcangel12]

Well said. Mary, Mother of God, pray for us!

[@maree-anne]

I understand both angles, but lean more towards Jonathan's reverence for holy places, even though I'm not Catholic. I don't think it's possible to downplay the significance of such places, especially as I am now walking with the Father and learning so much more about Him through His Word, through The Chosen and other mediums. I believe we are so blessed to have such a wonderful production and to have so much access to the people involved ... I'm just so grateful.

[@jasminabudzinska2696]

When someone asks the question that Dallas asked Jonathan I always think about that passage from the Gospel when the woman pours the whole bottle of very expensive oil on Jesus' feet. Judas says that it's a waste of money that could've been given to the poor instead. But Jesus defends the woman. That's what these amazing, enourmous, beautiful churches are to me. Their splendor might seem excesive to some and they might think there are a million better ways to spend all that money. But keep in mind that the catholic Church remains the biggest charity organization in the world. It's not an either or situation. It's both about helping those in need and giving God what He deserves, which is everything. Of course he doesn't NEED marble halls and golden altars. But it's what He deserves. I suppose that our protestant brothers and sisters are very familiar with the idea of "wasting" time for God or with God. Why wouldn't that apply also to other aspects of life? We should also "waste" money and efforts for God. At least in the eyes of the world it seems like a waste. But we know it's not. God bless you all involved in the making of The Chosen and those of you who are watching. Greetings and love from Poland!

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

Beautiful take, as Catholic as could be! Cradle Catholic here and loving the faith as I grow older and closer to my grave.

[@nenabunena]

Thank you for that. I never thought of that particular bible chapter before in connection to this

[@KeithNester]

Catholic convert here. I remember feeling exactly the way Dallas feels when I went to these sites as a protestant. I couldn't connect that kind of reverence for the physical with my personal relationship with Jesus. Now that I am Catholic, I can see the greater connection to an even deeper sense of worship that I believe joins the physical and metaphysical. My personal relationship with Jesus is fulfilled in an unspeakable way through belonging to the Church founded by Jesus and in the sacraments. Dallas seems to be on track with the idea of it's not one extreme or the other. It will be interesting to see where that leads him. Catholicism is "both/and" when it comes to beauty like this and also a personal relationship with Jesus. I think Jonathan did a great job explaining his perspective. Conversations like this in places like this are great to see.

[@brucebarber4104]

There's an excellent article by Chad Bird, "Christianity Is Not About a Personal Relationship with Jesus". In it he states, "Here’s the thing: Christianity is not about a personal relationship with Jesus. The phrase is never found in the Bible. And the whole biblical witness runs contrary to it. Our life with Christ is communal, not personal or private or individual. When the Scriptures speak of believers, they are part of a community, a fellowship of other believers. Christianity is about a church relationship with Jesus." He goes on to explain why the "Our Father" isn't "My Father". I think he may be a Lutheran and is or was a pastor. It's on the 1517 website. Anyway, this cradle Catholic really enjoyed the article.

[@daninspiration4064]

Keith you are the man, I am glad you are bringing many back to Catholicism through your videos. Keep it up Keith you are an inspiration to Catholics.

[@ruthgilmour8399]

@@brucebarber4104 I am also a cradle Catholic and traditional also. I can understand how Keith can speak about a personal relationship with God as I believe this is very common in the Protestant Churches and he is a convert. I have never been able to do that because I see it more as an act of pride. That must have been instilled in us as cradle catholics. I am comfortable with it and it feels right not to be.

[@jesuslovesyou1921]

You were never born again to begin with. That's why you never felt personal connection to the Lord. We are saved by works and not by faith. Remember that

[@KeithNester]

@@jesuslovesyou1921 what a rude, ignorant and judgmental comment. You just proved not only ignorance of the teaching of the Catholic faith but also incredible arrogance.

[@jmjmrs]

This was a very healing video for me. I am a Catholic and a convert so I have been on “both sides of the fence” as it were. The love, respect and sincere friendship exhibited and honest.exploration of both men of each other’s views again makes me love God and my Faith more and is giving me the tools to talk about it.

[@JerryLeeSchrader]

I love it as well!

[@tomliemohn624]

I am Lutheran and was raised in the church. As such, we were taught that the Catholic church is wrong. As I age and my faith grows, I am seeing more that we worship the same God. We are seeking basically the same things and anyone who seeks Jesus as the Christ and sole source and arbitor of our salvation. These people are my brother or sister and we will all be seated at the same table in heaven. Glory to God.

[@AyshKing]

Your "God" is Satan

[@dylanpabon5591]

I PROUD TO BE PART OF THE BIGGEST AND OLDEST CHURCH , 2000 YEARS OF LEGACY IN OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH , JESUS MESSAGE STILL ALIVE WITH US

[@eliseos4127]

What are you talking about? The Catholic church split from the church established by Jesus (Orthodox church) and his apostles in 1054 AD. What 2000 years??

[@MrsJenny-xl3fz]

I am protestant and want to say, I believe they are holy because, or when, they are set apart to God. Why were bowls and cups and candlestick holy in the Temple of God? It wasn't their intrinsic value as gold, it was because they belonged to God, set apart for Him.

[@eliseos4127]

Really? It doesn't bother you that your church butchered, stole an killed to build this monstrosity full of stolen artefacts and gold that cost a fortune?? That Jesus never worshipped in such a thing. Read the scriptures. Convert to Orthodoxy!

[@mommyseastar5776]

As a Catholic artist who grew up in a Catholic/Protestant household, this articulate dialogue literally gives me chills. Thanks guys! I’m praying for you! God bless you and your Holy work 😭🥰

[@AyshKing]

You're all going to Hell unless you repent

[@mommyseastar5776]

@@AyshKing How do you know. You’re being rude.

[@GeoffreyChilesTV]

Dallas: idolatry is worshipping an image right? Paying homage to Peter or venerating Mary is the greatest love you could give them. Do you have pictures of your family? You’re not worshiping them-but looking upon them reminds you of all those memories. It’s a link in a 2,000-year old chain of your family history. You’re a family. It’s not 20k denominations all doing their own thing.

[@christinam777]

Do we kiss our pictures and worship the pictures? That's what some people do to statues of the apostles and Mary and Jesus.

[@charleswetterer7159]

Referencing the holiness of Peter's bones - Consider Acts 19:12 - "so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and the diseases and evil spirits left them." I am a Catholic convert from Protestantism and loved learning how biblically based the Catholic faith is. Also, consider researching the many miracles God has worked though both people's prayers and physical relics. Lastly, the incorruptibles, many followers of Jesus have bodies that simply haven't decayed. Our family LOVES the Chosen and are so thankful to you both! AWESOME work for Christ!! We keep you both in our prayers 💜🙏🙂

[@claustelmach5305]

Awesome response better than Jonathan

[@eliseos4127]

Really? It doesn't bother you that your church butchered, stole an killed to build this monstrosity full of stolen artefacts and gold that cost a fortune?? That Jesus never worshipped in such a thing. Read the scriptures. Convert to Orthodoxy!

[@victoriaswift8822]

Transiting from Protestant to Catholic I hear a lot of negativity from my Protestant friends and family about how they think the art and statue side of Catholic tradition is vanity, etc. That all that money should have "gone to the poor". I just ask my Protestant friends how that art is any different from modern Protestant churches spending hundreds of thousands (sometimes millions) of dollars on state of the art sound equipment, cameras, and lighting for their worship bands? (Answer: it's not. It's the same thing, just different mediums of art and neither is sinful if other obligations of the church are being met. If God has blessed your churches, and you can operate, manage missions, and have money left over to invest in one of the five senses to help worshipers connect to Jesus, then do it and quit criticizing other churches because they chose a medium that is not your personal art style)

[@michellecusimano4644]

My experience as a small child living in a very broken home was having a beautiful precious priest come into our home and lives. He ministered compassion to my parents and took my small little hands in his, gazed into my scared little eyes and speaking softly, he said, "How are you Michelle?" This precious man caused me to believe there was a kind wonderful God and even though it took me a while to find Him, this Catholic priest planted the seed in my heart. So many ideas are clanging gongs but love is the most excellent way! Let us all walk as Jesus walked.

[@AmberWendt]

That’s really beautiful. Thank you for sharing ❤

[@elkanaharthur7713]

Interesting to hear Jonathan speak about the reverence for the bones of Peter in his Catholic culture. It seems genuinely out of respect for all that God has done through him and for him, and it brings honour to God. It reminds me of this passage: Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? Matt 23:17 In Jonathan's case, it seems he has recognised that it is God that makes someone holy or special. ❤️👍

[@marshastrub155]

When he was talking about the bones it reminded me of a lie just bones and when he was in the grave they had power someone fell in the grave on them and came alive again. That makes a statement

[@marshastrub155]

Elijah’s bones

[@David-_-_-]

@@marshastrub155 Elishua's bones 😋 🙏 The one Elijah gave his mantel to. I actually think Elijah and Elishua relationship was prophetically related to the father and Christ. Elijah in Hebrew means "MyGodYahew". Elishua means the exact same thing as Yeshua (Jesus name). "God's Salvation". There interaction and the transfer of power and Elishua bones restoring to life after he died I think was all kind of prophetic sign acts pointing to Christs role with the father and how his death would bring life. Always loved that story and have been reading a lot about the two prophets recently🙏

[@allsaintsmuseum]

Yes!! I felt the same.

[@ronchief56]

As an atheist, I walked through the Basilica and was in awe of the art. I saw a strong sense of reverence and humility from both the people and the structures around me. A very incredible place. There were so many churches in Rome! It was like the whole city was a church.

[@cedricopese]

Hi Ron, Why are you an atheist ?

[@pamelitahamel]

So well said! The whole city a church! You have keen eyes and a seeing heart!

[@PrOtaku123]

Did you convert

[@ronchief56]

@@PrOtaku123 I was born a Baptist and walked away from the faith for 40 years. Last year, I returned to the church.

[@shepherddog1199]

​@@ronchief56 wonderful! The Lord loves one lost sheep saved greater than the ninety nine who did not become lost.

[@melissaperkins1504]

I grew up Baptist and I never thought much about how the church looked as it was all I ever knew. In college a dated a man who was Catholic. He took me to a Mass and it felt different and looked different. Then, I kept going to understand his faith once we got engaged because we intended to raise our kids in both Churches. Well while learning about his faith and gaining a better understanding of the Mass I came to love it. I converted 12 years ago this April. Now, I see protestant Churches as being cold and aloof from God. Catholic churches have warmth, a continuity with the services, and a peace that comes from just walking into the Church.

[@silv.s]

Welcome home!! ❤️

[@adamaprimo9023]

@Kiss Gábor That passage is applying to you, it seems to me.

[@adamaprimo9023]

@Kiss Gábor I follow my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who through His life, death and resurrection has set me free as taught to me by His one true, holy Catholic and apostolic church through Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and its teaching authority. And you?

[@sibergirl]

Convert too, from very anti-Catholicism Presbyterianism. I spent a whole lot of time trying to pull Catholics out of “the whore of Babylon” only to have one Catholic friend say, “Why don’t you join RCIA and ask all the questions you want?” I couldn’t believe a thing like RCIA existed. I thought Catholic’s left the Church and Protestants didn’t convert. Boy, did God prove me wrong! After two years of prayer and study, I came to believe what the great St. John Henry Newman (a convert himself) said, “To become immersed in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Catholicism is the full deposit of Christianity. I was never as close to Christ as an Evangelical as I am now. I love my Protestant relatives and friends, I just wish they knew what they were missing.

[@eldiadiamageni7873]

For me it is the contrary. Grew up catholic, but at the age of 15 I encounter salvation of Christ. Now I am a christian.

[@melissaromea2893]

Jesus said, and I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church. That is why we Catholics feel like the relics of Peter are Holy.

[@christopherburns2922]

Christ did not redeem his church with his blood that the pope might come in and steal away the glory. He never came from heaven to earth, and poured out his very heart that he might purchase his people, that a poor sinner, a mere man, should be set upon high to be admired by all the nations, and to call himself God’s representative on earth. Christ has always been the Head of the church. - Charles Spurgeon (Prince of Preachers) Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Volume 60, p. 592

[@eliseos4127]

Relics of Peter??? What about all the other stolen gold and art?? For goodness sake.

[@amandapflanz1041]

Jesus is truly present body, blood, soul and divinity in every Catholic Church. As a Baptist convert, everything I thought I “knew” about Catholics just wasn’t true. I wanted to be in the Church Christ started in 33AD. It doesn’t get anymore personal than the Eucharist. Read the church fathers and see how they worshipped.

[@ZakarayasYT]

So you indoctrinated yourself into a church of satan

[@sharondelaney8572]

Amen Amanda. The relics are small potatoes! The real miracle is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

[@ZakarayasYT]

@@sharondelaney8572 have you read what happens to idolaters, diviner’s and pagan heathens?

[@brucebarber4104]

"Judaism is pre-Messianic Catholicism and Catholicism is post-Messianic Judaism." -Roy Schoeman

[@ZakarayasYT]

@@brucebarber4104 Catholicism in anyway goes against TMH, YHWH, God of Israel, Creator of Heaven and earth and all things there-in. Only a pompous fool would believe such regurgitated garbage. Catholic Church was Romes invention to control the masses and commingle their pagan worship of sun deities (like JC) and Babylonian queen of Heaven (mother Mary). If your pubescent brain tells you otherwise, you’re living under the illusion

[@PK-zb6wh]

Jesus is there in the Eucharist, that makes it most amazing. Jesus is there!

[@stokrotnie]

As Catholics, we believe these relics are holy because God sanctifies them. You're right, Dallas, the history of every one of us is holy and we're all temples of the Holy Spirit. But, at the same time, there have been miraculous events or healings related to some of the holy relics (if not all). Some of the bodies of the people we believe are saints have never decayed, also. It's not that we see them as idols and worship them instead of God. We simply believe that those are remnants of people who have managed to grow more in sanctity. And, for some reason, God uses them even after their passing away - perhaps to remind us that we never die, that He concurred the death. (I mean the fact that some of the corps are intact long after they passed away.) We celebrate God's presence in the people's lives. There is also a whole theology about the sanctity of the human body in the Catholic Church... The Church teaches that the human body is holy because we're vessels of the Holy Spirit, and in Baptism we become unified with Christ's body. The reverence towards corps comes also from this realization, I believe.

[@mistyviolet3825]

Saint Peter’s relics are holy, because like Jonathan said, “it came from” A Holy Man. I pray the series will in future years show the life & martyrdom of Saint Peter after Christ’s death & resurrection.

[@firefly3196]

And also the first Christians used the coffins of the martyrs and saints as the altar. That’s why under every altar there is a little part of a saint.

[@user-or1ye3iz6d]

Amen

[@aerochicc]

@@mistyviolet3825 Add to the mix that the relics are proof of their existence here on earth. As we get hundreds to thousands of years away from that, people tend to forget and put them in the myth category without some proof.

[@kathleennorton6108]

@@aerochicc Many relics, not all, were fake. You may believe the stories behind them, but it is a matter of your belief, not proof. That being said, the actual studies of the shroud of Turin, if an honest person, offer amazing proofs of what overriding evidence says is Jesus's burial shroud.

[@johncorrao9477]

As a Catholic who has immersed himself in evangelical/protestant prayers and beliefs I think there is a path for all Christians to embrace the faith we share. Yes, there are some differences between catholic and protestant teaching but the overwhelming non-negotiable beliefs that are the Christian faith are true and cannot be altered. We both believe that Jesus is the "only" way to heaven and that he is the one and only Son of God who came for all of us. We can disagree on the Immaculate belief of Mary or that the eucharistic bread (communion wafer) is really Jesus (transubstantiation) but those particular traditional concepts don't necessarily exclude us from the more pertinent doctrinal belief that we are all God's children and we look to Jesus as our Savior and that our mission in life should always be to love others as Christ loved us. Bottom line; glorifying God is our common bond and we are for him and not against him. Blessed be our God forever.

[@brucebarber4104]

The belief of soul sleep is heretical. The saints are alive in Heaven with God.

[@jsamm9675]

There aren't many times that catholic and protestant can be in the same conversation and ive eve raised the outcome but I am glad I read this comment. I truly like how you worded it and you explained that while we might have some differences, the the core belief in Jesus being the son of God and only way to salvation is the biggest thing that matters. God bless you and thank you for this message!

[@stephenjohnson9632]

The Eucharist is essential and we cannot soften the message by pretending it isn’t. Either Jesus was literal or the Eucharist really isn’t the source and summit of the Catholic faith. Many Protestants (not all) and Catholics do agree on many other aspects of the faith, though, as you said.

[@G-MIP]

@@alixegabriel972 “Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.” -2 Thessalonians 15 (NAB)

[@alixegabriel972]

@@G-MIP Col 2:7-10, enjoy Phil

[@senorita1983hbl]

Why does Jonathan feel he deserves a 5 or 6? He gets a straight up 10 out of 10 without a doubt for his “A” class performance 👏👏👏I also love what Dallas said at the end “I want that the personal relationship we have with Jesus and the connection we have with the people who walked with Him to result in worship and not the other way around”. Deep and worth pondering over!

[@anavaleriaferreiralima153]

Because he is humble!

[@phlegmbuoyant]

@@anavaleriaferreiralima153Amen-- he really does seem to be walking in humility. God is Definitely Being Glorified in His portrayal of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ!

[@siriocouchinggroup6284]

I have cried so many times watching The Chosen (tears of joy, sometimes, and of sadness, in others)...and thank my heavenly father, first and foremost for this beautifully done production, and then all the people who made this possible. Thank you guys for launching this amazing project. Has been a life-changing one for me.

[@jamesd39145]

Praise the Lord. It will be so wonderful to see the Lord face to face!

[@siriocouchinggroup6284]

@@jamesd39145 couldn't agree more!

[@denisemcclintock506]

Well done Jonathan from a Catholic perspective 👏👏👏 we understand 🙏❤️🌹

[@walid4205]

The single most important message of all prophets to their people was to worship God alone and none else and to follow His teachings. All of them, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammad and others, in addition to those we do not know - invited people to worship God and shun false gods. Moses declared:"Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord."(Deuteronomy 6:4). This was repeated 1500years later by Jesus, when he said: "The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’(Mark 12:29) So, the greatest commandment, the most important belief according to Jesus, is that God is one. If Jesus was God he would have said, ‘I am God, worship me.’ Instead, he merely repeated a verse from the Old Testament confirming that God is One. Jesus did not say, "I am God." There is not a single text in the Bible. Jesus says, "I am God." He said more than thirty times that he is a prophet and messenger. He said he's human more than 82 times. This is what the Qur'an says that Jesus is the Messenger of God. This aligns with the mission of Jesus, as taught in Islam, where Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel to confirm the message of the past Prophets - to believe in the One True God. most Christians nowadays believe in trinity.. Jesus said i came not to destroy the commandments of moses i came just to fulfill. Muslims reject the Christian belief that God is a Trinity, not only because the Quran rejects it, but also because if this was God’s true nature, He would have clearly revealed it to Abraham, Noah, Jesus and all of the other prophets. ISLAM is the submission in worship to Allah Alone and it is the essence of all the Messages sent to all nations before us. Allah is All-Just and All-Wise. He does not intend confusion for His Creation. The religion accepted to Him is the one chosen by Him. Its essence must be One, because He is One. It is free from geographical, racist, and status oriented concepts. It is Perfect and it is the complete way of life. All these qualities are chosen by Allah in His Only Religion: Islam. Its details are in in the Qur’an, read it and come with an open heart because none can expose better than the World of Allah. The Qur’an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. He did not author it. He was unlettered. Its translation is available in many languages in bookstores or in an Islamic Center close to you. Take the time to read it and come/call the Islamic Center, or speak to someone who re-verted and submitted to Allah Alone. Watch some discussions between Christians and Muslims👇 (One Message Foundation) Thank you for reading the comment🌸 .......................................................................................

[@joannechisholm4501]

it must be so silly to have so many fractures in your Christian religion with live 44,000 denomanotion splitting every 300 years and so how long do you think it can survive for 33AD 1054AD 1516AD when will the next date be? doesnt look good does it.

[@joannechisholm4501]

@CJ P. If I was Satan you would know

[@stephenbergin2014]

This is a miracle of construction. I’m a mechanical engineer and have spent over 40 years working, building every type of construction, using every tool and every type of equipment, the largest cranes, the largest bulldozers, every tool know to man and I fully believe this church could only have been built with God’s heavenly power and direction. Along with perfect accuracy and precision and no knowledge or tools to use to build it, only Gods working miracle and direction with generations of talent people of the times built this work of art. Not to forget the beautiful statues and art work and other miracles on display…..

[@myriamc.]

Wow!!!😀🙏🏾

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

Very interesting take from a mechanical engineer.

[@maryannguess7115]

Yes, they are both blessed To see the Vatican it is Scared grounds...where Pope's are buried.and the Piata of blessed Mary holding Jesus after he Died on the cross..for all Our sins...in college I spent a year studying Renaissance art in Italy. And spent weeks on my back studying the Sistine Chapel..it is breathtaking Beautiful❤.Jonathan You are so humble in your Spirit and are a 10.. The steps on the stations Of the cross are amazing. And mass being celebrated was a blessing. It is a very special scared Place ,Roma...wish I was Still there...ciao..

[@hemsty2]

@@maryannguess7115 you have written "scared" instead of "sacred" twice. "Scared grounds" and " . . a very special scared place . " Did you know that you can edit and correct a post by clicking on the three vertical dots alongside the top of your post and edit in the corrections? God bless

[@crazykicia]

@@maryannguess7115 please edit words " scared"

[@carolledger8047]

I love "The Chosen" and how it is helping to bring so very many people closer to Jesus. Great job you guys!

[@counterculturevulture1917]

I always thought the beautiful bacilicas, cathedrals, missions and churches of the Catholics were made to honor God. I personally feel great gratitude for God's creation and love when I see such places.

[@eliseos4127]

Are you serious? It doesn't bother you that your church butchered, stole an killed to build this monstrosity full of stolen artefacts and gold that cost a fortune?? That Jesus never worshipped in such a thing. Read the scriptures. Convert to Orthodoxy!

[@AndreaSorial]

This was a beautiful discourse. I love the conversation and the respect. Don't forget, it is holy because Jesus is there in the Eucharist ❤️ What a cool friendship. Like it says in the gospels, we all belong to Jesus. Not to Peter or to Paul, but to Jesus.

[@one1love5]

Reverence for those that stood for God is a matter of Honor. Idolatry is in one’s heart, respect for a gravesite of anyone or anything who stood strongly for God is meaningful. They sacrificed and represented our Lord and Savior.

[@arkofthecovenant6235]

Well said and true. 🕯✝️🕯

[@conniebanuelos1340]

Amen .... very well said 👏 👍

[@candiesasser4132]

Beautifully written!

[@moniebaytos8889]

If you read the whole commandment, Idolatry leads one away from the one true God. If it leads to God, it cannot be idolatry. Also idolatry is not only art, it is anything being placed before or above worship from the one true God. Intercessory prayer leads us to God and is not idolatry.

[@sueweddell9143]

Beautifully said!

[@ruthgilmour8399]

The Catholic Church has built amazing cathedrals and churches all to the glory of God. They are precious because they are gifts to God from man. How wonderful, right and just that every talent and detail that could be given to God was given to Him through all these generations of men's dedication and love for Him. I am always shocked if people are offended by it or say it is unnecessary. In addition to that, they have preserved the very history of the new testament in word and artifacts. The real question to ask is where would all Christian churches be without these magnificent treasures? Like other Protestant churches, Evangelism did not start until the 1700s. One can only wonder where Christianity would be today if the Catholic Church had not been meticulous in its protection of all of this history.

[@ragnardanneskajold1880]

The Stunning Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not just built to glorify God, they are also where Christ is, body, blood, soul, and divinity in the form of the Eucharist. Christ is there!

[@SuperRiya16]

Thank you my dear friend for understanding coz we believe in the one true lord God like other Christians do we believe in the holy trinity ❤ my Catholic faith

[@twil2389]

As a Protestant, I am always amazed at the beauty of many Catholic Churches I go into for weddings, funerals, etc… However, while really nice, they are unnecessary as it relates to your faith in Jesus. What if you live in a place where there are no cathedrals, monuments, etc…think missionaries in Africa and other places in the world. The is a great scene in the Chosen with the woman at the well…Jesus says I just need your heart, and worship wherever you are… So, rather than being in awe about what man has created, be in awe of what God has created….see the difference?

[@ragnardanneskajold1880]

@@twil2389 - the art in Catholic Churches and it’s beauty is not at all unnecessary, it is all meant to give glory to almighty God and elevate and engage all the senses in order to worship God. Furthermore, Christ is present body blood soul and divinity in the Tabernacle and those churches reflect the beauty and reverence for Our Lord. Catholic missionaries the world over celebrate the Mass with no adornment but a tiny crucifix. I am always struck at the plain, bland, unadorned, or the comical strip mall, or movie set appearance of protestant churches; little separates them from a meeting hall or a movie set. Jesus does indeed want our hearts but He also wants our best.

[@twil2389]

@@ragnardanneskajold1880 You are so incorrect about this…again, while I admire the man made structures, if that is important and at the center, then it is closer to pagan worship than it is to worship Jesus himself. Every Protestant Church you see had been purchased or built and is maintained through the members themselves via tithes and offerings. And part of offerings go to missions outside of the church. By the way, there are huge Protestant churches that have some pretty elaborate buildings and sanctuaries if that is what their members agree to afford to build and pay for. How many Catholics have to worry about financing the building they are in? There was a Catholic Church that closed near me where the members were outside protesting about it. I asked them why they just don’t start their own Catholic Church with their own funds…they looked at me like what? Why would we do that? If I am on a deserted island, yes, I can build a grass hut as my church and adorn it with whatever I can find…but if I can’t build statues and make stained glass windows…am I ok? Please don’t get caught away from all that is needed is Jesus in your heart with daily prayers to Him, wherever and whenever you are. Remember the verse where two or more are gathered? Matthew 18:20….It doesn’t say where two or more are gathered in a miraculous building. Catholics exclude so many people with this idea…. I assume Catholics wouldn’t approve of a person in church if not dressed up in a suit and tie? What if all a person has is an old pair of pants, tshirt and ripped up shoes? The fact that you look down on a strip mall church or any gathering in lesser of a building than yours is prideful and very disturbing. Man, you gotta get away from the materialistic symbolism… and the idea that Catholics are the one true church Sheesh 🙄

[@petertherock7340]

Jesus himself treated the Temple of Jerusalem as a “holy place” and was so incensed that He drove the money-changers out with a whip…. 🤔

[@reginapontes5672]

Jonathan. You just had a chat with Scott Hahn in October. It would behoove both of you to introduce Dallas to Dr. Hahn! He was a former Pastor who tried to dispprove the Catholic Church. In doing so, he (along with millions of others in his shoes) ended up converting. I think Dallas would enjoy a convo with him about saints, worship, veneration, idolitry, supplication. transubstantiation! Re: Transubstantiation, especially when he shoots the Last Supper scene. God bless. Loving the show!

[@MsLisaLor]

Dallas is not going to become Catholic. He has already stated that.

[@reginapontes5672]

@@MsLisaLor Hi Lisa. Where did I ever imply Dallas should convert? Read it again. I said Dallas would find it very enlightening to talk to Scott who used to possess his same understanding so Scott could articulate better those elements of transubstantiation etc. You're projecting an issue I never suggested. Also, whatever Dallas does in his life is his choice. Free Will.

[@angelahagemeyer698]

This was a lovely and respectful exchange of thoughts from two brothers on opposite sides of the same coin. Having been raised Protestant and converted to Catholicism, I really appreciate where they are both coming from. I think one of the things Protestants miss, or at least in my case, are just not taught, is that the art is how historically many illiterate people came to know the biblical accounts. For the vast majority of Christian history there was not ready access to the scriptures like we have today and many people could not have read them even if they saw them. It was through the Church, the Mass, Tradition and sacred art that people learned about Christ. Throughout history it has been common to feel a sense of reverence for the burial sites and relics of holy men and women; our protestant brothers and sisters often misunderstand reverence as worship. There is a huge difference but to someone outside looking in I can see where the misunderstanding comes in. Its all perspective and an understanding of history. This conversation was beautiful to watch and I am thankful these two men are able to use their love of Christ to create something so wonderful for the world.

[@joannechisholm4501]

it is a shame your Christian religion is taring itself apart this does not happen in Islam.

[@eviepj1219]

When I walk into beautiful cathedrals, it draws out reverence for our Lord. The incredible artistry reminds me that gifts and talents are given to us by our Lord in so many different ways. People who lived fully for the Lord are honored and revered...more reminders of the intangible aspects of our life that are important to retain, which we then use for worship of our Lord. Sometimes we make God too small or put Him into our personal box. God dwells within us, but visual reminders brings me to worship our all powerful and loving Lord & Savior---the Most High God. ❤

[@phillipleboa5251]

CATHOLISM IS PURE EVIL AND SATANIC. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, NOR CHILDREN OF GOD, THEY ARE NOT IN THE PICTURE. POINT.

[@lynnea286]

I'm sure God is far more wondrous and loving and far "bigger" than any of us can possibly conceive... And I am grateful for that. Way beyond our comprehension ... yet very present with us, within us. How amazing!!! This is what St Peter's represents to me ... the grandeur and the intimacy of our Great I AM. 🙏🕊️💖🎶

[@eviepj1219]

@@lynnea286 Yes! Beautiful.

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

@@phillipleboa5251 We are the church instituted by Christ in the begginong

[@Ste.Germaine]

When I was 8 our family converted to Catholicism. Everything changed. None of my siblings or I have ever missed Mass on Sunday or Holy Days. It is hard to explain. I am encouraged by the mutual respect seen here; even when there is disagreement.

[@jeffwebster402]

Built, literally, above the gravesite of Peter, chosen by Jesus to lead His Church, this is The church of The Church.

[@Andromedon777]

I actually didn't know Peter was buried here. Are his bones?

[@Vampirebloodthirst]

How do they know that it's where Peter was buried (if he even was. So many Christians were being killed I doubt they all got buried individual if at all and more likely a mass grave)?

[@GeoffreyChilesTV]

@@Vampirebloodthirst It’s called history and tradition. Read Iraneus, Polycarp, the Church Fathers. There’s so much beauty and knowledge beyond Scripture. It was started as an oral tradition, and that’s why clinging to one book (The Word of God but a foundation not an end), and not the PEOPLE who started it is a bad idea.

[@Andromedon777]

@@GeoffreyChilesTV HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@KBowWow75]

Roman history was well documented. The Coliseum was around in Caesar's time and still exists. Given the Vatican's location, I'd say it is safe to say if we have relics to Pharoah in Egypt that are still around.

[@DCMasturmindz1]

Were Elisha's bones holy? They threw a body on the bones and the body came back to life?

[@nancyl3843]

When I visited the Basilica of San Marco in Venice's Square of Saint Mark, my first thought was how people chose to create the most beautiful and extraordinary churches as God's houses. I'm not Catholic, and I've heard the arguments that such churches only represent the power and wealth of the Catholic faith, but I see inspired beauty--no doubt in line with the biblical descriptions of God's house in Jerusalem and His temple in heaven. God is the definition of the inspired entity, and we are made in his image and carry within us His Holy Spirit. As such, people throughout history have also created beauty on extraordinary magnitudes, such as the Basilica of San Marco and St. Peter's Basilica, and all to the glory of God, giving glory to God through their inspired spirits.

[@carlveeck3985]

Amen!!

[@TheDoctorsDancer]

Yes! This is exactly so. As a Catholic I wish more people could understand this. The Catholic Church actually has very little of it's own money. Most of the amazing church decorations were donated for the glory of God or fundraised by the community that church building is intended for. And as far as power goes... only the power God gives His Church... they just have a more centralized and much more public hierarchy for the media to point to and make a fuss about than other denominations. As such there is an established respect for the positions in that hierarchy, especially the Pope. (Much like the Dalai Lama) If you are curious about the money of the Catholic Church, check out "How Much Money Does the Catholic Church Have?" By The Catholic Talk Show These guys can be a hoot, but also very informative. God bless!

[@Shawn-nq7du]

We are drawn to the transcendentals -- Truth, Beauty, and Goodness. The goal of building a church is to draw us God. I wonder what the church built by King Solomon looked like.

[@MPFXT]

Amen, sister! Where I come from we have a saying that the houses are built of wood and the parishes of stone. This is because they were built when small, Catholic towns took most pride in our churches - many look like Cathedrals! - and the center of the town. Why not become Catholic, Nancy? You're always welcome! "Beauty will save the world." - Dostoevsky

[@BellatorJesuChristi]

Awesome dialogue. Praying for massive conversions to the One, Holy, Catholic and apostolic church that Jesus Christ instituted thru St. Peter!!!! ⚔️✝️🙏🏼 ⛪️

[@Jarebear8]

I believe what Christians believed for the 500 years Romans persecuted them before deciding that salvation through Jesus actually comes through them as the middle men, men who’ve anointed themselves as holy.

[@DysmasTheGoodThief]

Through Peter? No. And even if that were true, why did the Roman’s leave the church of Peter? Peter was the bishop of Antioch for nearly a decade. Come back to the seat of Peter 🤣 which is only in communion with other orthodox churches

[@eliseos4127]

There is only one holy catholic and apostolic church. The church that Jesus Christ helped his apostles build...the Orthodox church. Your church split from this tradition in 1054AD and the rest is nothing but a sordid history. Ask yourself, what did the original fathers establish the 1000 years before Catholocism even started.

[@eogh]

When we honour saints bodies, we are really honouring the work of the Holy Ghost because it is he who made them saints. We Catholics believe our bodies will be resurrected in the end and that our bodies are good (though fallen or damaged by Adam) The Holy Ghost worked through the body of the saints and made them holy.

[@brookereckinger9876]

Thank you Jonathon R for your reverence for the faith! You have touched so many through your faithfulness in playing Jesus

[@absfairabbyfouts7099]

When I saw such a kind and understanding conversation between a Catholic and an evangelical I screamed for joy! I am Catholic and it’s pretty hard for me to find media or modern worship music with Catholics involved and Im typically the only Catholic in non-denominational groups. I loved y’all’s discussion and thank both of you for sponsoring respect and giving an example of faithful living and friendships between different denominations. Also, my name is Abigail and so I’ve researched St. Abigail and she was very devoted to bodily resurrection and sharing her beliefs about that and I think that bodily resurrection at the end times we’re all waiting for is where a lot of this reverence comes in :)

[@nancybednar2763]

Watch the videos of Steve Ray, footprints of God, you will love it. He recorded and explains the Bible from the places where it happens he is a convert Catholic and I am so amazed with his videos, I am Catholic, I watch the Chosen but if you want to understand more the footprints of God, is a have to watch. See the New Testament wasn’t “put together” until almost the year 400. And Steve Ray explains all how did the Apostles pass all scriptures to us and got into the Bible (New Testament)

[@JerryLeeSchrader]

Hello Abby, non denominational here I guess you could say, but more than that, just a fellow Christian. I love you in Christ my sister, and I jumped for joy as well :)

[@silviaespinosaschrock3853]

Love it! Thank you God for the great gift of YOUR CHURCH: THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH! I love this Church, for it is the only Church founded by Jesus and the Church of the Apostols and Saints and that gives us the Precious Eucharistic Body & Blood of Our Lord Jesus, through 2000 years! Praise Jesus for His Holy Church!

[@miriamseyler3340]

Thank you, Jonathan, for your faith-filled, respectful responses.

[@kristinekohut5257]

Great discourse, you two! Think of the church, art, and relics as the holy ground in the story of Moses and the burning bush. God's presence permeates art and buildings designed to point the worshiper's focus towards God, thus creating the intimate moments. The relics of a person who lived for God were permeated with God's presence as that person lived out their calling. We can be inspired by that.

[@barbaraepperson2218]

What god thu?

[@barbaraepperson2218]

What god ?

[@stephenbergin2014]

This church is a miracle in itself! It took over 20 generations of people and 400 years to build!! We, today, couldn’t build it! With all the modern knowledge and tools and equipment! So how could they build this with their primitive construction knowledge, tools, equipment etc at that time?!

[@annw6458]

@KYZOJEN Those statues are NOT worshipped. We Catholics honor the people they represent, that's VERY different than worshipping (idolizing) the statues.

[@kristinekohut5257]

@KYZOJEN those who loved God gave of their time, talent, and treasure to make these grand churches. That honors God It's much like the artisans who God anointed to build the Temple in the Old Testament. I'm sorry you don't want to experience God in places built by our older brothers and sisters in Christ who came before us, but you can still worship him anywhere. In nature. In a plain building. In your home. Just connect with Him in your heart. He will meet you right where you are. He loves you.

[@elainegeerdes8586]

Jonathan, I went to see “The Promise” in Branson, and the man playing Jesus did a phenomenal job. When I talked to him afterward and told him what a great job he had done, his response was “ I hope He was pleased.” It was a perfect response.

[@mariehayes5281]

That was lovely Elaine.

[@Lochlannach661]

I went to see Jonah in Sight & Sound the summer before my dad died and it was phenomenal.

[@ddelarosa96]

In this talk of art reverence, I think of The Chosen because of what it is currently doing, which art did back then. On a tour of The Vatican, I was told the story of when the Sistine Chapel was complete and the pope was moved saying something like “I’ve known God and I’ve known the scriptures, but this is the first time I feel I am SEEING God.” The art was made as a way for people to get a visualization of these stories and that can be so powerful. Respectfully, I think The Chosen is a true piece of art that has given me the chance to see these stories by the true talent of everyone involved in making this cinematic art. It may not spark a whole renaissance, but I know it moves me in every episode.

[@marial4623]

Thank you so much Dallas and Jonathan! I am catholic. All of us Christians and Jews need to unite and support each other in this world that no longer believes in God.

[@LoantakaBrook]

I think Dallas was a little divisive towards Catholics - saying false things about us like the whole "idolatry" thing - complete lie. A few comments on here are anti-Catholic. I can see Dallas is evolving in what he thinks about Catholics. He is, and may bring other non-Catholics around to not hating us Catholics, and seeing us Catholics as Christians too.

[@hayleymarse2853]

@@LoantakaBrook when you have been taught your whole life a certain set of beliefs, it takes a lot to grow past them. Protestants are taught lies about Catholics form birth. I think he did a very good job respectfully voicing his concerns

[@Jarebear8]

I have no problem uniting with Catholics because if their faith in Jesus is genuine, that’s all that matters to us. But Catholics can’t unite with us because apparently we are not saved because we didn’t perform the man made rituals supposedly required for our salvation.

[@EstudioVoitheia]

In Acts, people want to just touch the shadow of Peter because it is holy... The apostles believed that everything close to God transmits His Holiness.

[@marieoleary527]

It’s not complicated, Dallas: “Upon this rock I will build my church” it’s that simple. There is a difference between sacredness and reverence, although both go hand in hand at times.

[@alisonhansen7338]

I was raised both Catholic and Baptist. It wasn't until my relationship with Jesus Christ, and Mary that I could fully understand the teachings of the Catholic Church. ❤ the stigma that people have against the catholic church really hurts my heart, but it's conversations like this that will unite us. Love the Chosen! Great job guys! ❤

[@sandyp4192]

You cant have a relationship with Mary... she doesn't see you or hear you... Lord have mercy... Jesus is your ONLY mediator.

[@torosdepamplona]

Very confused and heretical statement.

[@yes2day100]

@@sandyp4192 Why do you feel compelled to insult others in this way? This is not the act of a true Christian. There is no empathy or love in what you said. As a Catholic, I have some strong contrasting opinions on the 'sola scriptura' theory that Protestantism is built upon, but I understand that a comments section for Chosen fans of all different denominations and faiths is not the appropriate place to express them.

[@sandyp4192]

@@yes2day100 ??? What? stop yapping and playing victim, if you're offended by the truth just say so, I said nothing insulting I literally was speaking biblical truth. 👋

[@sandyp4192]

@@yes2day100 I'm not a Protestant? If you deny God's only means of salvation and authority over your life that's on you but don't enforce your heretical satanic dogmas and traditions on others who identify in Christ Jesus alone and not man and the world like you do 👍

[@SueProv]

Obviously Jesus alone heals but 3 scriptural references for insight. Concerning touching Jesus' garment Luke 8:43-48. Now there was a woman who had been suffering from hemorrhages for twelve years; and though she had spent all she had on physicians, no one could cure her. She came up behind Jesus and touched the fringe of his clothes, and immediately her hemorrhage stopped. Concerning Paul in Acts 19:12 So that bits of linen and clothing from his body were taken to people who were ill, and their diseases went away from them and the evil spirits went out. Peter's shadow touching people. Acts 5:15. insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

[@mazikode]

Thats why what is left of Peter is so holy. I wonder if Dallas knows that the Bible tells us how people were healed just by passing under his shadow. How can the place where he is buried not be holy. How can this place not be holy.

[@SueProv]

@@mazikode Look I can share here. Its between Jesus and the Holy Spirit to bring people where God wants them to be. Maybe he'll see this who knows.

[@borrico1965]

For Catholics, everything connected to the celebration of the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist such as the sacred vessels, the vestments, the building, the furniture, etc. acquire a certain holiness and mystery. That makes it special and unique. Reverence for the dead especially the saints is a manifestation of the hope and expectation of one of the articles of Christian faith: the resurrection of the dead.

[@jamesmorgan2064]

So when you take communion, what happens to the wine and bread when your priest blesses them!?

[@KBowWow75]

My dad one time touched our priest's vestments because he put his arm on his shoulder when he was talking to him. The priest said "hands off the vestments." To me that was idolizing the vestments and putting it above fellowship with a fellow Catholic. There were a number of reasons I felt he did not represent Jesus's word. I moved away from the area and when I came back for my sister's wake and he tried to shake my hand, I couldn't do it. I shook his wrist. We've had wonderful priests that put the parishoner's faith above everything but his love for God. This priest though put the physical image of the church above the parishoners' faith. A lot of people left our congregation for others nearby. For us he made the image of the Catholic church as his own pride and it was almost like his religion was to the image.

[@reginapontes5672]

@@jamesmorgan2064 It does exactly what Jesus said it does.

[@borrico1965]

@@KBowWow75 With all due respect, when a priest is wearing the vestments, he is in worship mode to celebrate the Holy Eucharist. It should be understood, he is not in his casual clothes at that moment. He should not be socializing while wearing it but should try to focus on the celebration. Right after celebrating, he should doff the vestments and change to normal clothes at once. For practical reasons, the vestments are delicate to clean and expensive to clean, thus it shouldn’t be touched to avoid soiling it and make it last for many years of use. It has a peculiar way of storing, not the usual cabinet of clothes. I’m sure it’s not idolizing the vestments, it’s merely caring for the vestments to last long and be economical.

[@ericrun]

@@jamesmorgan2064 Jesus turns them into his flesh and blood!

[@joetunon]

I like that Dallas tries to keep a balanced picture without compromising his opinions. God bless this work.

[@remirgoicoechea4527]

Loved this. I was loving the whole interaction between Dallas and Jonathan and I couldn’t help but burst out laughing when Jonathan pulled his phone and said we just got disinvited by the Pope was so great! Jon is too humble but gets put on the spot by Dallas and it’s so funny to see them interact with each other this way. God bless the Idea of Chosen and what it represents. Please keep guiding these men to do your will and work

[@suzanne7269]

Dallas you often say you include lines or dialogue in TC to represent the audience’s perspective or questions. This exchange between you and Jonathan helps all of us have that hard but very needed conversation within the body of Christ. As a Protestant who has visited dozens of cathedrals in the world and known many faith filled Catholics, I welcome the opportunity the Lord is providing us all to seek unity that pleases Him. I’m grateful the Chosen team is boldly fostering this interaction. Doing so prompts me to re-examine scripture and my own heart’s attitude toward others whose worship and relationship with Jesus differs from my own.

[@Tawene]

Amen.

[@LoantakaBrook]

Catholics never worshipped idols/statues. Catholics see statues and art like you might see photos of your family.

[@jovitasanchez9648]

I was baptized Catholic, then raised in the Pentecostal church for many years, in 2007 I returned to my home did my 1st communion and was confirmed at 58 yrs, it was the most beautiful experience for me, I love my spiritual up bringing in the Christian church and my Catholic faith, when we all get to heaven, we are the gentiles dressed in white robes, no name/title of religion, one in Christ Jesus because our relationship with him. And us Catholics do not worship the saints, we respect them just like we respect Billy Graham. God bless you all, and love you all. Amen

[@vidaoreskovic324]

I find interesting that both my favorite Jesuses, one from The Pashion and this one from The Chosen, are played by actors who are catholic. ❤️🔥🙏 Duše Sveti napuni srce povjerenjem, gdje god zoveš daj da krenem! Oče hvala Ti!

[@josieposie9969]

God's probably trying tell us something! 😉

[@vidaoreskovic324]

@@josieposie9969 I think so too 😊🔥🙏 God bless you!

[@anaderek1635]

Yes always found it interesting how both are Catholic !

[@margaret7776]

It is not coincidence.

[@Si2Si2Si3]

he has such a meek heart, it is so beautiful to see

[@jorgeresurreccion8290]

As a Catholic, I am blessed I am in the Church Jesus Christ founded.

[@eliseos4127]

Jesus did not found Catholicism???? Catholicis officially split from the church that Jesus helped his disciples build in 1054AD. Really??

[@mdjbusiness]

Catholic Churches are more than a place to meet and worship God This is where God comes to us in real presence through Holy Eucharist. And then is also present in the reserve sacrament in the tabernacle. How can we make Gods house anything but the best we can? Our best is always good enough for God Our second best is never good enough.

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

When one enters a Catholic Church, he or she transcends time and space because God, Who is eternal, is present there. Thank You, Jesus, for the gift of the Eucharist!

[@DouglasDelgadoM]

The fact that St. Peter's Basilica is in Rome is a testimony to the victory of Jesus Christ and his church over the Roman Empire which persecuted the first Christians, who hid in order to celebrate the Eucharist. When they discovered Christians celebrating the Eucharist, they called them cannibals for eating the body of a certain Jesus and publicly burned them to light the streets of Rome.

[@Loolooette]

Catholic here! Just want to say I love watching you guys have beautiful open dialogue!

[@olderendirt]

Wonderful dialogue. I'm Protestant so it's interesting learning about the Catholic community and their worship. God bless you both.

[@eliseos4127]

Orthodoxy is better.

[@jimelias8052]

This what I love about the Chosen and your work. Keeping things personal, respectful, and balanced. I can only pray and hope that all different Christians realize how we have the same goal and need for each other....especially with the growing divisions

[@mikepoulin3020]

Isaiah 6:2-4 2 Upon it stood the seraphims: the one had six wings, and the other had six wings: with two they covered his face, and with two they covered his feet, and with two they hew. 3 And they cried one to another, and said: Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God of hosts, all the earth is full of his glory. 4 And the lintels of the doors were moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Revelation 4:8 And the four living creatures had each of them six wings; and round about and within they are full of eyes. And they rested not day and night, saying: Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come This is where Catholic Mass gets " Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus" (Latin for Holy Holy Holy )... they are attempting to take part in the worship of God as it is in Heaven as it was witnessed by Isaiah and St John....

[@ilandabasile4904]

Not a theologan either, and will try to be brief. The old testament describes Joseph's bones being carried out of Egypt as Jews traveled to the promised land. There are other examples of monuments built on holy ground or places.. The early persecuted Christians of Rome hid and celebrated Mass in the catacombs on the tombs of the martyrs.. There's reverence for the body also because we are believed to be reunited with our bodies in some way as is propheciesd in the bible. Also, our bodies are created in the image of God and by God, as well as our souls, therefore the body deserves reverence. Another point is the incarnation of Jesus, also raising our reverence for the body. These are the reasons why cremation is less preferred than burial. However, as with many things, some people have a superstitios twist on all this. I avoided other biblical examples and other details to keep it short, but this is what comes to mind.

[@blessthelordomysoul746]

If Peter's shadow is good enough to cure sick people, cf Acts 5:15-16...

[@ndpendentlady]

In 2019 I went to a Latin mass inside of the Notre Dame Basilica in Canada. And although I don't understand Latin, I tried my best to follow along with the English text. Regardless that I couldn't understand the language it was powerful and impactful. And the inside was absolutely incredible.

[@DysmasTheGoodThief]

Try an Orthodox Church. They’re largely in english

[@francismcdonnell753]

That’s the wonderful thing about the Latin rite mass. No matter where in the world you go to mass it would be exactly the same as in your hometown. The vernacular has taken away a lot of the mystique & reverence. Vatican II has done a lot of damage.

[@alanr745]

Having just had the luxury of experiencing the Divine Liturgy at our local Orthodox Church, and being of Baptist denomination, all I can say for those who are skeptical of the orthodox and catholic traditions need to consider the idea of sacred space both from an individual standpoint (NT context) and congregational standpoint (OT context). I’d love a church building that felt like I was worshiping in a space that is truly set apart for holy use, as well as worshipping with NT believers who don’t hold to the sacraments or apostolic tradition. We ought to act and feel like we’ve left the world behind when we walk into “church” on Sunday morning.

[@saracmr6133]

There are a lot of differences but the most important is that we are together in Christ! ❤️

[@PoweredbyJESUS7]

We are only together in Christ if you are a born again Bible believing Christian. Any other religion is a false one and of Satan so while I don’t think you meant any harm in your comment not everyone with “differences” is the true body of Christ.

[@DandZee89]

Yeah but what matters is obedience to the word of God. Catholics DO NOT do that. It’s all structured religion and practices including praying to idols, practically worshipping the pope when it says strictly in the Bible not to.. dead bodies of man regardless of what position they had in the Bible, should NEVER be glorified… He needs to speak up and be bold and stop candy coating his opposition to Catholicism..

[@siothrun72]

@@DandZee89 the idols spoken against in the bible were considered to be gods. when catholics pray in front of statues and paintings, they know full well that those things are not God. oh and we don't even come close to worshipping the pope. his role is the head of the church on earth, that is all.

[@moniquevamado]

Oh my gosh, this is almost the exact conversation I envision having with you both -- the overlap of faith and art and all the nuances of faith that people have in Christ. I was raised by a Catholic father and Protestant mother and I'm so grateful for that because it gave me a rounded experience of God without squeezing me into any corners. I wasn't raised in the Evangelical world, but have spent a lot of time in it, yet most of my favourite artists, writers, etc. happen to be Catholic. I agree with Dallas that there has been a serious lack in the evangelical world regarding the value of art and beauty. On the other hand, it seems a given for Catholics that beauty, truth and goodness are attributes of God and therefore should flow through his followers. These cathedrals are glorious works of devotion to God made by serious artisans of the times and whether one believes they are holy or not is in the beholder. God is everywhere, yes, but I believe there is something about sacred sites where so many have come in devotion to God and prayed, that those dedicated spaces have a definite holiness to them for that very reason -- because they are dedicated to God. You two are great and God is great in your lives. Forever grateful for your faithfulness and surrender and all that God has done through The Chosen because of it. Continued abundant blessings on you both and all cast & crew (& viewers) of the show. Much love, Monique

[@jeffreygura8171]

Very good comments!

[@MPFXT]

Amen! However, I don't believe in relativism - holiness is not "in the beholder". Holiness is not from us! First and foremost St. Peter's Basilica and every Catholic and Orthodox Church is holy because Jesus Christ is Truly Present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in every Tabernacle and on the altar at every Mass or Divine Liturgy. Furthermore, the relics, art, etc. that remind us of Him and those who have imitated His holiness are worthy of reverence.

[@GardenMinistry.]

@@MPFXT I was waiting for someone to say/write this! Yes, Jesus is in the Tabernacle, through the Eucharist, which undoubtedly makes this place holy. As a cradle Catholic, I had glossed over this as a child. Now as an adult, I'm finally understanding the scope of how important this is🙏🏽

[@christinehunter7698]

Hi Monique! I was also raised by a Catholic father and Protestant mother and feel that it gave me a very similar experience! I’ve never met anyone outside my family with this upbringing so I had to reach out! Have a blessed day!

[@LoantakaBrook]

​@@MPFXT Jesus is really present! nicely said

[@freshbrewedasmr3378]

Unfortunately Peter isn’t buried under the Vatican. They never found his bones under the Basilica