Why Did Cheese Betray Proposition Joe? | The REAL Reason | The Wire Explained

[@CineRanter]

*What happened to Randy after The Wire ended? SHOCKING plot twist hidden in the show:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHLOf5aiqbSqmtk

[@theresalewis1733]

Should not ended with so many questions

[@olubukonla7352]

He became a foster care kid

[@darrenjohnson7857]

He grew up ,that blew my mind ,it had to take it least a year

[@seltonk5136]

Baltimore Mary-Land!! 😂. Mare-Linn, maybe the slightest d at the end depending where you be living

[@jesussinaloa9300]

Prop Joe didn't set up Marlo with the Greeks. Marlo figured it out on his own and had to pay Avon 100 k to get the connect

[@tamarbo71]

The sad part is that Joe told Omar that he can't let anything happen to his nephew his sister son. So sad his nephew didn't have the same code.

[@BigA678]

Thats how karma works. You snake so many people eventually you get snaked by someone you would’ve never guessed

[@EGHawk7683]

Thats why Slim rocked Cheese snotbox

[@jpmnky]

@@EGHawk7683 - That was probably the most satisfying television death in history. Love how Cheese didn’t even have a friend to take the body for any kind of proper burial and was just left in the street.

[@roberttheapostle489]

@@EGHawk7683 lol

[@BigAce3000]

Joe actually told Marlo that not Omar

[@sallobo777]

the tale of 2 nephews. Cheese and D'angelo. One dies trying to be bigger in the game, another dies trying to get out of the game.

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Deangelo* was emotional,he knew that car had dope and he still.took the mission ,once locked up ;avon tells him of scams to take down his sentence ,he went the other way on drugs&avon let him know that he had power /all the overdoses.

[@slayy51621]

@@darrenjohnson7857 yea but D wanted out especially after the Wallace situation that really made him want out cause he told Avon not too ok the hit and the hit was still made

[@roberttheapostle489]

Deangelo was weak and a mama’s boy he never was cut out for the game. He made me cringe

[@darrenjohnson7857]

@@roberttheapostle489 yeah

[@rell127]

Damn that's super poetic.

[@lastsigil7241]

💥.. "What the hell did you do that for?! Now we're short the 9!" "That was for Joe!"

[@mards2479]

This sentimental mothafucka just cost us money

[@afrit555]

Sentimental mf

[@dontebundles1335]

Tall man did that 😈🫡

[@jsano2754]

Facts, Slim Charles was a G

[@edwardjmayer87]

" this sentimental motherfucker just cost us money'

[@johansmallberries9874]

I love how sharply Anglican so many of the names on the wire are. Melvin Waggstaff, Avon Barksdale, Brianna Barksdale, Marlo Stansfield, Preston Broadus. These are middle aged British people names.

[@Braxant]

Sorry, I'm not American. Are their first names or last names Anglican? Or both?

[@bill775]

Interesting observation.

[@Rahim.ali80]

⁠@@Braxantthese characters names first & last are typically European names but these characters are black from the inner city, just a proof of America being built off the backs of Slaves & also they took the names of their oppressors

[@JeffJefe-pe1ge]

Nahh it’s crazy you caught that shit deep

[@QABRsean]

These names are of real ppl in Baltimore

[@donnydarkoh6411]

I've learned that Each Kingpin wanted something the other had. Avon wanted Prop Joe's connections, Marlo wanted Avon's reputation , and Prop Joe wanted Avon's dynasty/territory

[@Connect200]

No one wanted what Marlo had.

[@donnydarkoh6411]

@@Connect200 Having people scared of you is terrible which is why. Happens to every dictator.

[@llkla4507]

@@Connect200 actually they all wanted marlo’s muscle

[@sultanaljuhani1571]

@@llkla4507 yep, they were like the Terminator

[@dorionnelson2883]

@@Connect200 they all wanted the fear Marlo brought. Avon chased it when he got out. Joe knew not to fucc with him and Stringer wanted his respect

[@weejoe27]

I think Marlo would have rid himself of Cheese after a while….he’s a liability

[@earlpipe9713]

If Marlo had the higher strategic thinking to move beyond his 'kill errything' come up tactics, and a chance to continue in the game, he would've had Cheese as the Uncle Junior type of public facing toothless king, while Marlo wielded all the real power and decision making behind the scenes. Shit, there wasn't anything stopping him from doing exactly that, and it being perfect for his current situation at show's near end, except his own one dimensional thinking

[@Ah-ws9nm]

@@earlpipe9713 yea but that only works if Marlo was like Tony. Marlo wouldn’t want the streets thinking Cheese pulls the strings. His rep means more to him than it did to Tony. And on top of that, they were the only family in North Jersey so there was no competition. In the hood, Marlo’s rivals would’ve viewed that as weakness and maybe tried to take his operation out

[@rayborn9080]

True because he proved to Marlo that he was sell out as much as he aided Marlo he showed him that he would cross you eventually just to increase his side of things

[@BillyBatsonMarvel]

Can’t trust someone who sold out his on people. Cheese was a useful idiot to Marlo and he most definitely had an expiration date.

[@KrayzieMofoGuy]

Thank God that didn't happen and we got to see Slim Charles do it instead. Probably the most satisfying scene of the final season

[@Dungeon_of_Rap]

When Slim Charles kills Cheese, Slim became my favorite character right then. A video about Slim Charles would be pretty cool ;)

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

For real Slim was like a cheat code for making good decisions yet hardly anyone took his advice

[@tubepooper1]

The smartest character in the show fr. Stayed quiet and never wanted the spotlight… never did any weird sh*t either

[@Dungeon_of_Rap]

@@tubepooper1 facts, he's a rare example of following "the code" and actually coming out on top. He had all the combined strengths of Avon and Prop Joe but none of their weaknesses so an argument can be made that his length of time on top will be long than any boss in the series.

[@tamarbo71]

Slim was one of my favorite before that. But his character took on a bigger role in season 4

[@tamarbo71]

I could never stand aside and let someone murder my uncle even if I betrayed them wish I would never do. I would of made sure he got out of town. That would of been part of the deal that would have been made with Marlo.

[@toneriggz]

Prop Joe knew he had to take out Cheese. Even Slim Charles told him that. But Joe refused out of respect to his sister, to his own detriment.

[@GHOST91141]

Boy was always a disappointment - Prop Joe

[@alexpascal5403]

imagine getting ur peanut❤pumped❤by❤a❤peanut pikper❤❤

[@denniss8644]

You think Cheese don't know this here game? 😉

[@alexpascal5403]

@@denniss8644 nah. he was short sighted. just like my little sister when my nut splurges on her knocked up face. (my step dad does the knocking up.)

[@bucky7162]

Cheese's ego was so big he failed to realise the main reason he hasn't been killed 3 times over already was that he was Joe's nephew. As soon as Joe was dead Cheese had no more back up apart from his own little crew.

[@Yvanehtnioj2000]

Name one instance where being related to Prop Joe saved Cheese’s life. Cheese’s “little crew” was the crew than handled everything for Prop Joe like the shipments and distro. Y’all really have no idea of the situations y’all are watching play out.

[@dionruffin3996]

Joe could of gave him up to Marlo after the shipment got robbed he was supposed to be muscle

[@bucky7162]

The time Marlo lost a shipment and Joe refused to give cheese up for it. Only person with no clue here is you buddy

[@johnpenley]

Cheese is a perfect example of how far you can get with no skills if you know the right people. Other than his relationship to Prop Joe, he had nothing to offer. You see how Cheese got manhandled by both Boris and Brother Mauzone. 🙄

[@b9479]

Facts, if you have the right connection and know how to manipulate and maneuver you'll get a lot further in life than someone who works hard

[@saadishsnake]

I agree with your analysis about Cheese, but to be fair, getting owned by Sergei and Brother Mouzone doesn't make you a lamer since those two weren't exactly chumps.

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Cheese was "eager" which is why Marlo liked him

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

Lol when Boris and his thugs flanked Cheese and the guns came out, you can bet Cheese name dropped Prop Joe in like 2 seconds!

[@Supremmo]

No different than the characters on the legal side.

[@thallus23]

Cheese was wrong for what he did to his uncle, but Prop Joe is also responsible for his undoing. Prop Joe was told NOT to trust Marlo.

[@jasminehill6312]

He was blinded by family

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

Don't sleep on Marlo. He up to some SHYT here.

[@BigA678]

It amazes me the amount of people that didnt pay attention to the show. None of you mention how Joe set up Cheese to get robbed.

[@retroreviews1]

@@BigA678 no he doesn’t? Omar teaches Joe a thing or two about being devious and does it off his own back by following Cheese. Joe agrees to give up the spot that Marlo is collecting his drop from, not the whole damn shipment.

[@centinelyork]

@@retroreviews1 Thank you for clearing that up because I'm like when did he set him up to get robbed. I remember seeing Cheese come out the store and Omar saying "We on him now". Then they tracked his comings and goings all the way to the shipment location.

[@davethomas543]

Because he was a simple minded pawn. Boy always was a disappointment

[@juliustheillustrious7727]

Kid always was a dumbfuck, wasn't he?

[@the_local_bigamist]

Joe's biggest mistake was trying to "civilise" Marlo, rather than taking him out. If Stringer hadn't have snitched on Avon, Marlo would've been wiped out early on. Cheese just wasn't smart - a weak link as you say, blinded by greed and ego. Prop Joe lasted a long time, his nephew was out quickly.

[@mmarsh1972]

Agreed. They say compassion will only get you killed in the drug game. Joe tried to befriend Marlo and it cost him is life. Avon saw Marlo as a threat, thats why he tried to have him killed.

[@vaughnalston3009]

Marlo was everything that Cheese wanted Joe to be

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Marlo was ruthless "my name is my name "episode is classic !

[@tinobrown4711]

Yeah Cheese was insane. New school with no respect

[@earlpipe9713]

And Stringer was the type of myopic he wished Marlo was

[@vaughnalston3009]

@@earlpipe9713 That’s so true. It was the unkle Junior and Tony dynamic

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Great quote /first time I never heard that phrase ,it sent shivers down my body .

[@kevinthomas7214]

The co-op would have killed cheese after they got the connect. He set his own uncle up to get killed so he could never be trusted . And they would have killed Marlo. Because theses guys have known Joe for years and some grew up with him just to let those 2 snakes do him like that.

[@frankmathews]

The co-op already knew that whoever has the connect were the ones to took out Joe. I think Slim told them about his & Joe suspicions on Cheese after Joe's death & the look on Slim face at the last co-op meeting when cheese took the new position from Marlo was his confirmation that cheese gave up Joe. And not to mention Omar ran up on Slim about Butchie death thinking Joe had something to do with it & Marlo lying saying Omar killed Joe to get back at him..

[@elvinpena6273]

Who are you referring by the co-op???

[@mujahudin]

As much as I've always loved Method Man, boy did I hate Cheese!🤦🏽‍♂️ In essence that's a compliment to his acting skills.

[@earlpipe9713]

He didn't even become hateable til he betrayed Joe. Prior to that he was comic relief, and good in the role. His betrayal did make him truly despicable tho

[@thedooktroops5608]

I really wish they would’ve explored the ties to Randy and Cheese/Prop Joe a little bit, instead of pretty much just briefly dropping a crumb and leaving it up to us to put the connection together… But I guess that’s the point; just another kid lost in the system, while his family _right there,_ not giving a shit (or not knowing in Joe’s situation, I’d imagine Cheese knew but didn’t care given his character) while Randy has no idea that his people are literally right there… Shit’s sad, but that adds to the realism and bleakness of the situation… Damn, what a great fuckin show

[@earlpipe9713]

Joe's family would've cared very much if they knew imo, Cheese's very existence within Joe's organization is a testament to them being a family that values family above all other... until Cheese's dumb ass was too thick to understand the memo. It'd also be just like Cheese to have ignored his fatherhood at first, and then keep it a secret intentionally after due to not wanting to be known for having ignored his responsibility in the first place by his family

[@thedooktroops5608]

@@earlpipe9713 oh I agree 100%, there’s not even the slightest doubt in my mind that Prop Joe would’ve taken Randy in and looked out for the cookout, he was most def that dude, and I also agree with your thoughts that Cheese probs did know *but* didn’t want his moms or Joe to know because they’d hold his ass accountable for raising Randy, for real for real. While we don’t really know shit about Joe’s sister or the rest of his family (from what I remember, and I don’t even remember anything being said about any other _living_ family in the show), I’d imagine that she holds the same values as Joe and would likely also be on Cheese cheesy, corny ass about raising his kid, and when that ultimately failed (guaranteed to) she or Joe, or both, would likely end up raising Randy themselves… *SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYBODY ELSE*------------------- --------------------------- And then maybe Randy would’ve killed Cheese instead of Slim Charles lol, although I seriously doubt that as he at struck me more as a Wallace/Naymond type dude who’s heart ain’t really in them streets, and damn sure not a killer, which we know Joe would’ve accepted and helped him flourish, probs would’ve put him thru college and shit… Sheeeiiitttt, he might’ve fucked around and ended up clockin that legal grind at Foot Locker with Poot for a hot minute lol. Btdubs, I see Poot as the only guy who *really* came out on top in the end, just a shame that it took Bodie gettin merc’d for it to happen…

[@PrayerPlanningPassports]

I agree. When I learned cheese and randy had the same last name, I was like DAM!

[@AJCyalater-qv4ei]

Beautifully said. How do you keep one from this tradgedy.

[@rell127]

Cheese never seen the bigger picture, also im just learning he was Randy's father. That would have been such an amazing arc to touch on. Have cheese learn about Randy and to see Cheese doesn't care nor want him. Yet see Joe look at Randy and see that he's him. Also would have been interesting to see Joe react to Marlo labeling his grand nephew a snitch.

[@daveh9551]

Wait a minute where in the show did they reveal Cheese was Randy’s dad?

[@rell127]

@@daveh9551 The creator of the talked about it. Since cheese and him shared the same last name. He said that's his son he never met.

[@BigA678]

Well if you watched the show you’d see Joe betrayed Cheese first when he set him up to get robbed. What uncle sets up his nephew to get robbed?

[@bobbyhall7472]

@@BigA678 well, that's different lol jk😂

[@ReelNinja1]

@@BigA678 are you talking about with Omar because Cheese was in on that

[@wannaknowbad]

Marlo wasn’t made to play the son.

[@Thestray187]

Ha. I was going to say that.....lol

[@Buford_T_Justice1]

If my name was Melvin Wagstaff I would call myself Cheese too.

[@BoleDaPole]

Wait cheese real name is Wagstaff? So he is related to the kid Randy Wagstaff? No way that's a coincidence. Baltimore is big but not big enough for two Wagstaffs to be unrelated.

[@Tyson2394]

@@BoleDaPoledude he mentioned that in the video. It’s basically confirmed even though it has no actual bearing on the show

[@laxlyfters8695]

Wow this video added a whole other dimension between cheese and ziggy. They were both the same character on opossite sides. Both spoiled immature and not respecting the game and having other family members have to pay the price for them....

[@jaygram4057]

One of the last things Cheese asked joe before he betrayed him was why he never sold the old/outdated house he lived in. Joe told Cheese it was because it once belonged to his father/grandfather, and he was the first black man in Jackson Square to own a house. It had sentimental value and meant a lot to him. He then said it was something that the new generation doesn’t appreciate anymore. When Cheese got arrested soon after I remember the lawyer telling Mario that he sold the house for 1/3rd of his bail money. The bail was $300,000.

[@luiscastaneda5250]

So $30k

[@delectableprovisions]

@@luiscastaneda5250 ummm no 100k

[@retroreviews1]

It’s fitting too because Joe’s sentimentality, respect for family values and the fact that the new generation don’t follow the same code is ultimately what led to his demise. Just another example of how great The Wire is

[@elvinpena6273]

Damn, logic tells me Cheese sold the house after Prop Joe was Killed by Marlo. No way. Prop Joe would have allowed to have the house sold. Weird, that he had Cheese in his will. He forgot that Cheese has no appreciation of value.

[@EDouble1]

It was *JOHNSON* Square.

[@htruth1785]

The beauty from Marlo’s part is how he identified the snake in Joe’s team during the coop meeting.

[@vandaken3612]

I can see slim charles on top of the game after season. Taking everything he learned from stringer, avon and prop joe and running things like a ghost

[@jamesmarshall6619]

Even though he wasn't in the scene when Omar says "The cheese stands alone." No idea if that was foreshadowing or just coincidence since it happens so early in The Wire but it's a perfect line for what Cheese eventually became, a man standing alone with no true allies.

[@darthdan3983]

What they did to Omar in season 5 was such lazy writing and stupid made me hate the show

[@lproof8472]

Wtf…I just now realized Randy was Cheese’s son. I literally watch the series yearly.

[@missbhavin4philly]

Me too cthu

[@patrickmurphy7780]

I today years old when I heard this 🤯

[@brettcordes3602]

They have the same last name but I don’t recall this ever being implied otherwise.

[@aliensinmyass7867]

@@brettcordes3602 The writers said they intended to include it at some point, but they just didn't have the time to include this detail because it's not very important.

[@bigt4135]

Yes

[@BlackJaxxx]

Cheese is proof that blood is not always thicker than water.

[@adelinafernandes425]

Cheese betrayed him to mostly get in with Marlo. But the way Joe dealt with Omar and being scared of him was cheese's tipping point

[@MackeyDeez]

One must always assume that they have enemies whether they can see them or not.

[@siyabongamkhize692]

Avon

[@yelhsanosnhoj6602]

This comment section clearly overlooked the fact D’Angelo told on Wee-Bay. He was also weak and spoiled. From the first episode we see Stringer doesn’t like him for this exact reason and seems rather pleased to tell him he’s being demoted to the Pit as punishment for his actions. He’s also the reason the cops put an eye on Avon’s operation; before then, they’d been able to move under the radar. He was so used to Avon coming to his rescue and cleaning up his messes, when he’s faced with 10-15 and it seems he can’t get out he snitches on Wee-Bay and some others. Remember, Keema never saw Wee-Bay. He was more trouble than he was worth and ultimately his death was one of the more satisfying ones to me. He’s what would’ve happened to Namond eventually.

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Joe sold out everyone at one time or another it was underhanded and despicable to do to your own family though which makes Cheese's betrayal more abhorrent

[@earlpipe9713]

Joe was subtle, smooth and precise enough that only the most astute players even perceived any of his plays against their own interests, and even some of them might not have. I'm only giving Marlo the benefit of the doubt that he truly perceived Joe's depths & didn't kill him cuz that's just what Marlo does

[@darrenjohnson7857]

Joe would get jacked for shipment and Omar sells back the package to joe and joe adds tax onto the package /Macy's ,mc donalds &amazon charge crazy tax ,so joe continued tradition of "charging them " but the co-op was cool with joe handling the package *a glorified middleman

[@Argos-xb8ek]

@@earlpipe9713 That was Prop Joe's problem he thought he could civilize Marlo, that by showing him the more nuances of business at a higher level he could somehow allow Marlo to be civil enough to do business but still be the savage dog he could whistle up any time he needed amd that overplay to seeing Marlo as a what he could be instead of what he was is what cost Joe his life.

[@royalmcmorris1211]

Cheese learned it from him joe

[@mmarsh1972]

What I never understood was why Marlo kept Cheese around after he clipped Joe. If Cheese could betray his own family he would also betray Marlo given the opportunity. Cheese was no Chris or Wee-Bay whom were 100% loyal. Marlo was ruthless to anyone he thought did/would betrayed him (Devonne, Little Kevin). So why did Marlo keep Cheese alive when it was obvious he couldnt be trusted.

[@j.anthonymorgan3025]

Man I wish a video was made about how Randy Wagstaff got separated from his family especially since it was hinted that cheese was his father.

[@rockman469]

Sad to say most of the time your closest Family is the one who will Snitch on you to your downfall

[@alternativefacts6779]

Simple: Joe’s weak ass let him get robbed. It was time for Joe to go.

[@Bigdiego74]

Facts

[@BigAce3000]

Totally disagee. Cheese just simply had no loyalty to anyone and bragged about it to Fat Face Rick while holding a gun to him. Joe manipulation just simply caught up with him

[@alternativefacts6779]

@@BigAce3000 How would the Co-Op feel if they found out Joe had them robbed and sold them there stolen Dope back at a marked up price? Joe was a dirty muthafucka. It was time for him to go.

[@leedza]

Joe wasn't weak, if he was then you wouldn't get someone like Slim Charles as your chief lieutenant. Joe just played one too many propositions and underestimated Marlo's ambitions. His ace was always the connect and wrongly assumed that the Greeks wouldn't deal with anyone else. Cheese was fed up with being caught up in Joe's schemes, being belittled and thought that Joe's approach of non violence was weakness. Also he character was an opportunist

[@BigAce3000]

@@leedza perfectly stated.

[@naswiipp]

Either you in The Nation or your moms gotta stop laying your clothes out in the morning.

[@romerazzle1106]

He sided with other people against cheese his own nephew on 3 different occasions. Plus he trusted Slim Charles more than cheese as well.

[@Thestray187]

I'm sure Marlo had slim kill cheese since more than likely would sell out Marlo at any point since he sold out his own blood

[@chillfill4866]

You don't give slim enough credit. Marlo was out of the game when he did that.

[@prime25]

That was solely Slim Charles' decision. He respected Joe and knew who sold him out. By the time Slim kills Cheese, Marlo is no longer a kingpin, Snoop is dead, and Chris is on the way to prison. There's no reason for Cheese to betray him, and he didn't have the position to give Slim Charles orders. That was old fashioned revenge by Slim.

[@coolpeople4287]

@@prime25 Everything you just said I agree with. However, Slim killed Cheese in front of too many witnesses.

[@Thestray187]

If slim was indeed so smart he should have waited to give cheese a chance to get the 9 million dollars which I don't believe he or any of them raggedy looking old dudes claimed to have had then wait til he was alone then kill cheese to avenge prop Joe so yes a loyal soldier he really is but someone with brains not so much

[@chillfill4866]

@@Thestray187 that sets a bad precedent. Slim killed cheese because cheese was a snake.

[@EaseVision]

Cheese was jealous of his own uncle because he was loyal & a good businessman with various aspirations.

[@abdullas100]

Cheese sold out Prop Joe because Prop Joe put him in harms way. Had Marlo found out that Cheese had a hand in setting him up to get robbed in the card game, it could have cost Cheese his life. Its either him or me....and plus his loyalty lies with his aunty NOT his uncle (Prop Joe).

[@normbatchelor7403]

He sold out Prop Joe to take his place and territory.

[@abdullas100]

@@normbatchelor7403 Nah...Cheese never wanted his uncles spot...jus my opinion though.

[@BigAce3000]

Cheese didn't have anything to do with Omar robbing the card game, that was all Prop Joe

[@normbatchelor7403]

@@BigAce3000 Yea but Cheese knew about it, and he also knew about the co opt’s dope being hijacked.

[@abdullas100]

@@BigAce3000 You may be partially right...but here is my rational. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDVfY2PqdFlbdk

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

For 50k. It really isn't ambiguous. Well 50k and a promotion to take over reups in the east side and eventually both districts

[@allanragsdale7693]

Yep. And it was a bad deal. He didn’t give Joe up for 50k he gave up half the city. Complete loser.

[@tinobrown4711]

He was mad about having to pay Joe back for Ziggys whip

[@charlesw6529]

Great video but slight correction. It’s Johnson Square not Jackson Square. That’s in my old neighborhood

[@jackwalsh6758]

The cheese stands alone

[@nicksantillano8553]

Well done, but "why always Boris?'

[@cabooseabs6864]

Off topic but what are your thoughts of the sopranos scene where tony is talking to junior on the couch about the varsity athlete comments. Tony recognizes junior is getting dementia and asks him something like "i understand its not totally your fault but why is it always something negative? Dont you love me?" And junior just stares off into space. Doesnt deserve a whole video, but was wondering what your thoughts on that scene were.

[@FatMontana84]

By far the best few moments of the whole sopranos show

[@deenice313]

Randy wagstaff was prop Joe nephew as well that's why he had that entrepreneurial spirit like Joe

[@j.b.225]

prop joe said that majority of his problems/headaches were from his family. to made it worst, he couldnt kill them cuz they was blood. He whims that if he shoots one he wouldnt hear the end of it at thanksgiving dinner. sadly he was right.

[@powell4661]

I was hooked on the show from the beginning partly because I lived in the Baltimore area from 18 to 24 and it seemed realistic to me. What I don't understand is why HBO never replays them.

[@AJCyalater-qv4ei]

Nothing has changed and has gotten worse since then. Nostalgia’s supposed to be happy not terrifying.

[@devzeppalin]

People do like Prop Joe but he, like Cheese, was devious & reaped what he sowed. Unlike Cheese, Joe was old school & valued “family”, which became his Achilles Heel.

[@erics362]

How about a video speculating why Cheese wasn't in Randy's life?

[@rhettwild]

what i felt when watching the show is cheese an everyone involved at this point in the show are absolutely terrified of Marlo an his hitch men Chris an Snoop. Might as well give him up cause its already done at that point once you have been marked

[@iamamish]

Here is a great example of the brilliance of The Wire. Joe buys the drugs back at $0.20 on the dollar, yet sells these same stolen drugs back to the co-op for $0.30. However it is very easy to miss this point - you need to have paid attention to both scenes, and in the scene in which he sells the drugs for $0.30, not much attention is given to the price. A lesser show would have really emphasized this discrepancy - they probably would have shown some flashback of Joe buying the drugs at $0.20, then zoomed in on Joe as he announced the price. It would have been dialog like this: "So Joe, how much is it going to cost us to buy back our drugs?" (flashback to Joe buying them at $0.20) Joe (in slow, dramatic fashion as we zoom in on Joe): "$0.30 on the dollar" The show is full of moments like these - watching the show for a 2nd and 3rd time helped me see so many subtle things I missed the first time around.

[@daveh9551]

This is easy because during the series Prop Joe kept looking foolish when it came down to Omar. The final straw had to be when Omar managed to enter the store where Prop Joe and Cheese were and ultimately sold Prop Joe back his own shipment he’d stolen earlier. Cheese wanted to just smoke Omar on the spot but Prop said no, which Omar knew he would say to begin with .This made Prop look super weak to Cheese and he’d had enough. I think up until that point he was out for self but still loyal to his uncle. Reputation is everything in the streets and I can imagine behind the scenes if my uncle kept getting clowned like that in front of everyone how I’d feel. I didn’t feel sorry for Prop because he was peaceful but a snake. He tried to play both ends with Marlo and Omar and got pinched. For the most part I think his entire success was based on trust since nobody had any issues with him for real on all sides until he started feeling like Marlo was trying to take over. He sold Marlo out to Omar and when Marlo found out he started killing Omar’s people with the help of Cheese information. Prop Joes failed tactics is what ultimately sunk the ship and got himself and most of the cast killed off .. domino effect. The Greeks saw the big picture and knew things were getting too loud. They probably thought it was only a matter of time the Feds would be knocking at the door, so why not just let everyone eliminate each other and save them the trouble? They saw Prop had lost control and went with Marlo knowing he to would eventually fall. There are no friends in the drug business and the Greeks proved this. I think in real life the “Greeks” were either Italian or Russian. This was probably used to draw attention away from the real narcos who control Baltimore

[@Bigtimecharlie1349]

Boy always was a disappointment. Classic🤣

[@gfltstation3789]

Listening to the British Narrator at 09:24 and spitting my coffee all over my computer screen and desk!! hahahaha

[@orrvega]

I never felt bad for joe getting done in by Marlo cause he rigged some sht just to get Marlo on board in the first place. Was only a matter of time

[@claudewashington5247]

It was Cheese's grandfather that was the first black man to own a house in Jackson square. Joe's father

[@avoquasidilla1993]

"Fredo Corleone, who betrayed his brother fredo!?" Huh lol

[@thelegendaryone5666]

I just found out Cheese was Randy’s father

[@shannonpollard3964]

Marlo was the youngest to make it to the tip, but his empire expired quickly.

[@fancymortimer3247]

Prop Joe tried to tame a wild animal. Cheese cheesing is 1+1=2.

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

Joe had a "shop" fixing "broken" things... not too far from Joe trying to "fix" people (Marlo, Cheese, Omar, etc)

[@terrencerobinson]

It was greed and also when Joe sided with Hungry Man

[@Bigdiego74]

Cheese was just like his uncle an opportunist plus Joe played too many games so they knew if marlo found out another way he would have took off the whole eastside n joe knew this cheese knew this plus Joe put cheese in danger with brother mouzone and Omar

[@earlpipe9713]

Everyone knew Joe had schemes within riddles within traps within puns, but the only way they'd ever untangle any of their lines would be if Joe himself told em in a straightforward manner. If Cheese was really concerned of blowback from Marlo's wrath then he was too much of an insecure coward to be having delusions towards being at the top levels of the game anyway.

[@versatileduplicity9313]

He felt like he respected and kissed up to enemies 🤣

[@warrchyld2441]

Nephew on his sister side😂

[@VoidRS]

“Ball Tea More, Marry Land”😂 We say it like “Balduhmore, Mare lin”😂😂

[@alistent21]

Did yall ever notice method man hated slim Charles character in the deuce

[@coby6502]

Great job covering THE WIRE…

[@PrayerPlanningPassports]

I was actually skeptical about this channel, but it has made me really think about characters in some of my favorite shows. JUST SUBBED! Good job my friend!

[@sammysam2615]

Greed. Plain and simple

[@theyakkoman]

How low Cheese actually is on the totempole is demonstrated greatly by Sergei (Not Boris. "Why is it always Boris?") when he says that "Him? We don't know. The one he calls boss? Him we know."

[@milesbrown7345]

I have weird dreams that I'm in the wire or the sopranos world and 1 of the scariest is chris and snoop kneeling me down in a vacant

[@JayCity10]

Richie Aprile will first send you to slip and fall school.

[@milesbrown7345]

@@JayCity10 lol that would deffinetly happen bullets are expensive I don't think ide be worth the lead

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

Everyone knew that Cheese was a snake even his uncle but like the old-school gangster that he was, he let him live out of love for his sister.

[@djmil5110]

How did I miss that? I watch the Wire a hundred times 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@rivahkillah]

Calling him Boris is the funniest

[@orzonorobinson7183]

Man Cheese did what he seen Joe do to others to look out for himself. Joe was lowkey a villain and could talk his way out of stuff cheese didn’t have that same gift

[@Yoloslides]

What's funny is Marlo would've likely killed Cheese anyway. If you're willing to sell out your own family for a quick dollar, a leader like Marlo damn sure wouldn't trust you in his circle.

[@roadking3844]

That’s a good role for meth

[@damienstone5470]

Omar predicted this. He said, “The Cheese stands alone yo.”

[@tonymartin9141]

"I Wasn't Made To Play The Son"..~ Marlo.

[@Hegotflow99]

Do you do paid in full also?

[@kidreem6823]

Joe’s karma was catching up he was able to get him self out a grave a few times but he was scared of Marlow

[@therealdq]

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but Joe's front is a repair shop. He's good at fixing things and getting them working again. Setting up the co-op is him fixing a broken way of doing business.

[@mikelavine9452]

Possibly it’s as simple as Cheese - like The Greek - seeing the tide turning and figured that Marlo would become the king sooner or later. Marlo was not going to be denied. So best side with him.

[@Bee_Mavrick]

Marlo was just making sure he don't get robbed and Joe was the plug. Marlo felt some way about paying more for drugs he paid previously. Cheese was just along for the ride

[@ViralClips762]

HOLD ON!. CHEESE IS RANDY'S FATHER!!!. This is blowing my mind and changes alot!!!. I can't believe I didn't know that all these damn years🤦🏿‍♂️.

[@isaiahdaddys9379]

Great video

[@carlrice1774]

HOLY SHIT!! I have seen this show multiple times and never put together that Cheese's was Randy's father.

[@IDontExistAnymore]

Cheese's dog didn't die, he shot ot because he thought it went soft

[@billybaugus1249]

Prop Joe was such a great character

[@FranklinWilson-ev9dq]

Marlo Promised Him, Joe's Spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@LabTech41]

Joe said the reason himself in their last conversation: Cheese wasn't privy to the old ways in a way that made them values he held dear, just like the old house the Joe had lived in. Cheese was not loyal to what had been, what had always served.

[@BaronVonGreenback1882]

Cheese reminds me of Roy Jones Jr.

[@onyxturpin6382]

as fox/lion joe surely was he underestimated a disgruntled 🧀 and Marlo wanting the Greek connection

[@carolineprice8158]

That was some shameless sh!t he did too Prop Joe.

[@Queenofbeautiful]

“ I wasn’t made to play the son “ -Marlo