Client says “too expensive”- Come price a job with me. Hager 14way CU.

[@michaelcollette8170]

I'm a second year apprentice and I like watching different electricians on KZbin. You are a professional and a great electrician to learn from. Thanks for the encyclopedia on knowledge from your content

[@MookeMookeMooke]

Any other guys you recommend?

[@michaelcollette8170]

@@MookeMookeMooke Dustin from electrician U is one of my favorites. Also sparky channel

[@BigMikeST250]

I have never been interested in electrical things like this as such but I stumbled across one off your videos last week and for some reason I can't stop watching them lol very interesting watching what your doing mate.

[@jamiedockerill4576]

Holy shit. I personally only do re wires on empty properties I work in saffron Walden/Cambridge area currently have a re wire booked in 3 bed detached fairly basic spec white face plates pendants to lounge,hall,landing and beds, 4 spots kitchen and 2 spots entrance porch Upgrade bonding, fill chases Priced at 6k plus vat client very happy with price. Your guy in a 5 bed old cottage or taking the p**s. Your price sounds more than fair if not too cheap I’d say.

[@brad6124]

Too cheap

[@MagnetechSolidSolutions]

I've recently had a client come back to me saying that their architect told them to keep looking and keep looking and keep looking and you will eventually get someone to do the job dirt cheap so just reflecting on that I blame the Architects on some of the jobs and I find it really frustrating. I personally the last few years put in the boot when it comes into the price, if they want to pay it they want to pay it if they don't they don't. Over here in the Republic of Ireland it's very hard for a foreigner to get into the trade or at least be a "registered electrical contractor" which leads to a lot of foreigners doing illegal works. I am assuming it's the same in the UK

[@carlmarquardt994]

I agree. Way too cheap for a difficult old home rewire

[@paulp1008]

how many hours work ?..

[@bumbles1584]

That board in its current configuration requires 100mA type S protection for a TT system. Your connections to the RCD are only single insulated. There is a section at the back of the IET Guide to Consumer Units that deals with this.

[@artisanelectrics]

The overcurrent protection is built into the Hager SPD hence no need for separate MCB

[@ashmanelectricalservices4318]

But what's protecting the cable from the main switch to the SPD, the cut-out fuse...?

[@pistolpete5189]

Artisan Electrics Think he’s asking what protects the cable going from the main switch to the spd as it’s only 6mm so the 100a main fuse is obviously much to large..

[@russlees2589]

BS EN 60204-1 7.2.8 Location of overcurrent protective devices An overcurrent protective device shall be located at the point where a reduction in the crosssectional area of the conductors or another change reduces the current-carrying capacity of the conductors, except where all the following conditions are satisfied: - the current carrying capacity of the conductors is at least equal to that of the load; - the part of the conductor between the point of reduction of current-carrying capacity and the position of the overcurrent protective device is no longer than 3 m; - the conductor is installed in such a manner as to reduce the possibility of a short-circuit, for example, protected by an enclosure or duct.

[@GunnyRabbit]

...."Why do I look so greasy..." Probably from all the f**kin bacon rolls from Costa!!!

[@paulaldous6410]

Price for the Rewire , sounds right Chris ! Don’t let the cowboys out there make you feel that your price is to high. Can’t win them all mate 👍

[@BillsAllotmentDiary]

Had a client tell me my prices are expensive after charging my normal day rate for one job even though i was doing a follow up job well bellow trade prices ie making nothing as a charitable thing. basically told me shes worth more than me because she was a mental health nurse and deserved her hourly rate of £25 per hour before she took early retirement, well above my hourly rate as a painter & Decorator and she basically stated i'm just a painter and decorator. Needless to say i withdrew my offer to do the follow up job.

[@gwynbleiddroach2589]

Billy The Loam Gardener most nurses aren’t actually worth shit, and a lot of them share that same mentality as the one you encountered. I worked as a nurses aid for a year, in a major hospital at a trauma center.

[@BillsAllotmentDiary]

@@gwynbleiddroach2589 my wife's a nurse to and says exactly the same thing so it's not a surprise

[@jordanwalsh8171]

Us painters get it worse, anyone can buy some "brushes" from the pound shop and make paint stick to a surface, the bit they fail to realise is they are paying for a finish . . .cash=time=quality of finish. Just stick to your guns but every now and again do a cheap job (on the basis they don't tell people it's cheap) and make sure it's absolutely flawless and it will bring people to you 👍

[@rodrigodetriano8273]

NHS staff are scabs, especially doctors

Smile and say “I’m sorry u feel that way” turn around walk away and mark her card, she’s obviously suffering from “office culture”

[@thomasanstiss469]

Cheap don't mean quality. The two don't go hand in hand

[@havoctrousers]

We always used to tell clients "cheap, fast, good - pick two"

[@gwynbleiddroach2589]

Robin Rawson-Tetley maybe I didn’t understand, but why wouldn’t they choose cheap and good?

[@kyester123]

@@gwynbleiddroach2589 I think he means, that the job will then take longer as someone could be slower due to inexperience, but still do a good job and would give a cheaper price.

[@gwynbleiddroach2589]

kyester123 ah true, Thanks for the clarification.

[@artisanelectrics]

Love a good pricing video!

[@alecturner2008]

Wait for the 'Chris, that cheap guy has made a right mess and walked off site with half the money, how much to finish off his mess'....'£7 grand'

[@REWYRED]

Money up front.

[@wormwood6424]

Lol...yep!!!

[@callumsimpson7483]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 was thinking the same thing

[@ThePerson444]

Dream on. I'd rather scrape my balls out with a spoon than admit that.

[@longjohn6269]

I was caught out by the price trap......I went for a lower price and guess what, the guy was a cowboy......ended up costing me more in the long run as I had to get someone else in to sort out the mess. I'm sure the cottage owner is going to fall foul to the same outcome. I would never go on price alone after my lesson. Stick to your guns, you do a good job, you should be able to earn a decent living from it. It's a race to the bottom undercutting.

[@Irilia_neko]

What do where expecting ?

[@MrBazza72]

Value and price are 2 different things. Customers say too expensive but I always reply "compared to what?" Bag of frozen peas? ...f@cking boils my blood. I refurb bathrooms and the number of customers that want good quality work for nothing is joke. Champagne taste beer money numptys everywhere

[@DavidWhite-jr4ni]

That’s because your not posh, dress like a builder and probably dirty..Put a suit on talk a load of sales crap with 3 weeks training and they will happily pay you double.. They don’t want to pay even tho you have years of training and college behind you yet they don’t know which end of a screwdriver to hold.. I just think fur coat and no knickers if they Moan about the price..recommend an insurance company and leave..

[@norman7527]

British tradesmen are per 95% the pits, as for the money their asking, forget it. Want a job done, well do it yourself. Wait till the economy hits the wall, they'll be a many cowboy down the Job centre

[@JayTheSparky]

The holes above and below the rear entry knockouts are for the small cable ties to hold the grommet strip in place...I found out from another sparky and it blew my mind 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️Grommet strip stays on perfectly now and I’m not mitre bonding them in anymore 🤣

[@CommentBoost]

Jay Harding 🤯

[@sheargill3029]

😁

[@rhysevans7903]

They said I was way to expensive!!! Next breath - my new camera and iPad are coming!!! 😂

[@Dailymailnewz]

The price was right but he [owner of the house] got some of those people who use those kinds of people who have no qualification and uses them very very cheap. Then they get someone they know to come and give them the certificate of inspection and testing and this is how they do it now. In one place I was called to do a job, I ask the boss where are the certificates of inspection and testing and wiring map etc? Guess what? He had none. That is why they do the job cheap and crap too.

[@alecturner2008]

Oliver, the same ones that call 6mm 'shower cable' no consideration of power consumption.

[@woden20]

@@Dailymailnewz House bashing is easy stuff, anyone with a bit of savvy could do it, that's why lots do. Been in the game over 30 yrs and i've still never met anyone who's house has had an electrical fire. Industrial is where knowledge is required, 3ph.

[@olec8978]

@@Spark101. couldent agree more, I keep trying to drum this point across, all the bad mouthing in the domestic arena is bad for the trade and only enforces that people think they can have a go. We should stop belittling fellow sparks that are really professional and good at there jobs. These you tube vids are great because it makes you realise that there is still sparks out there working to high standards. It is easy to do a dog rough job, not what these guys are producing. I'm not saying this from a domestic only point of view, I've worked on light industrial and commercial and you here alot of "house bashing" stuff but I wouldnt let some of the guys on site wire my shed let alone my house

[@JJ-Streaming]

Lol

[@davidbray6515]

I dont mind paying for labour and the expertise but when i got quoted 70 pound for replacing 2 socket fronts from plastic to chrome its that what makes people stereo type others bearing in mind i had the socket and it was a local sparky coming from 2 miles away

[@g7eit]

I’d have said £1,050 but no idea where you are. I’m guessing Cheltenham way. I work on TT all the time because it’s park homes.

[@braw]

Im not an electrician but find your videos really interesting. The Hager unit looks really well made and put together... think I need to change mine!!

[@wizard3z868]

honestly its the best 1 i have seen tht i from the states wld install im so used to seeing the plastic ones this one is like a .25 the size im used to seeing but the best made so far (our n american panels are huge we cld almost rent out the extra space as a flat) lol

[@craigduncan4826]

@13:25 - nothing is protecting those cables other than the electronics and fuses down stream. If you think on it, it does make sense but you’re correct in highlighting the fact you can wire it incorrectly and in theory have a whole install load coming back with full current through those crimped cables at the incomer switch. I always go for split boards, 100ma RCB, no more than a total combined load of ~40A on each side peak. Allowing for sine spikes inside of 100ms but otherwise rate each half for 40, so 80 total. That’s based on a 100A supply. But I get what you mean by asking what protects those since you are correct, it just means a lot of faults (infact every fault) would need to ALMOST happen simultaneously for it to be a factor. Otherwise you have MCB, then fuse to load and in fault condition a 100ms RCD. So those supply leads ain’t ever getting close to their rating. That’s how I see the logic anyway.

[@andrewbrown1913]

I'm sure the supply to the spd is fine been off the main switch as long as the length is under a certain length and fault protection is only required.

[@shrekshrek413]

Being self employed ... No holiday pay No sick pay Overheads Tax I think self employed folk plumbers sparks joiners etc you lads need to be on at least 40-70 pounds per hour And more if you have a labourer you would add on for there wage depending where you are based in the country Just my opinion What do you guys think The further south the more As cost of living is more ..

[@sbusweb]

+CJR ELECTRICAL I think the 100mA TD RCD is still desirable as it stops everything 'earthed/bonded' becoming live in the event of a 30mA RCD failure, i.e. a backup RCD facility, even though not required by any means. What about when somebody comes to fit an EV-changing-point ? They usually want MCB non-rcd SWA submain ... though I guess for a TT supply you could use a type-A RCBO and a downstream 'simple' charger (not anderson/zappi/etc)!..

[@barrybritcher]

Can't put a price on your life when the cottage burns down. Oh wait you can.

[@loafersheffield]

So, you want me to come and fix the cock ups on that job that I quoted for? The quote that you showed to a. n. other, they did it for £10 less but now they wont answer their phone. What's that? They're not answering? Did you get a receipt detailing what work they carried out? Answer?

[@loafersheffield]

@John Smith I'm not assuming that someone who quotes cheaper will do an inferior job. In fact, it is perhaps likely that the cheaper quoter may do an identical or even better job. The market is elastic. It is a basic mathematical principle of supply and demand. My example was also anecdotal, from personal experience. I just don't like being put into a dutch auction; particularity when I have done all of the initial and on-going consultation, drawing up plans and pricing on materials only for the customer to pass on my intellectual property and my time expended to another business. It's insulating, particularly when the same customer asks me to re-attend to put dangerous and shoddy workmanship right.

[@beano6452]

loafer sheffield you should try being an Architect. This is normal practice to be honest. Client expects free consultation, quote, and advice but then goes to a non-qualified CAD monkey to draw up your ideas for £50.

[@antsants9448]

Cheers for all the good info, helping me loads with my apprenticeship 👍

[@richardwallace3477]

I was in the same ball-park price-wise even before you mentioned the cable price (I figured £300 for the cable when you said 90 metres).

[@gregory3617]

Thank you for this video, it's very interesting. In France is the same problem, For the customer the Price is always too high. A lot of no electrician cut the price and the installation was very dangerous and awful.

[@louispalmer1133]

the consumer unit box displays 18th edition compliant butt im sure i read that each circuit should only isolate said circuit in the event of a fault that board under fault would isolate more than one circuit under fault conditions. i may be wrong i always fit rcbo's 🤷‍♂️

[@johnbrain6790]

Don't worry about someone thinking you're too expensive, you don't want to be working at the end of the market where everyone is racing to the bottom.

[@MagnetechSolidSolutions]

An old guy told me that one time and I never looked back

[@liveloud9894]

Never lower your price , just say " ok thanks best of luck with the cheaper quote " and when they call you back begging for your help to sort out the mess tell them your price has gone up 50% and you want it all upfront

[@JL-hd3hs]

A wise tip for you with many years of experience in this profession. Cut out the emotion, but be respectful when dealing with clients, always be courteous, stick to a basic formula, time is money and profit is mandatory, 30% min, otherwise you're living on borrowed time of your active work lifespan. You carry the responsibility and insurance to ensure your clients electrical safety, there is no compromise or leniency for error in this profession!

[@nickyscott383]

£1800. To cover the bacon rolls and coffees 👍

[@paulcraft4630]

I'd got the price to £1500 in my head, I've just priced a garage supply at £350 the customer came back and said they had a better quote at £340, but I got the job because of my professional knowledge, why did the customer need to tell me this, to get £10 discount ?

[@daviddaywalker3844]

I used to get all this years ago iam a plumber other people quoted the job cheaper. 4months later I would get a phone call from the same customer. We got a problem can I help .other guys just disappeared. You can guess the rest .my advice walk away don't worry there will be others.

[@primetime758]

Hey i'm in the same boat i'm a refrigeration guy in Toronto Canada ...i've heard it so many times quote i found someone cheaper... move forward couple months or a year later... they come callin... lol its all good you give your price .. take it or leave it ...

[@PompeyMatt17]

Nice shout out to JW.. spookily enough I just watched that connector video before watching this !

[@fitzpatrickken]

The cottage owner will get exactly what he's paid for!

[@bumbles1584]

Its an old leaflet, If you use the 221 or 2273 you have to fit an adaptor to make them hold in the box properly, alternatively they released boxes to suit the newer connectors just last month.

[@lurcho101]

Hi you should ask if you can view the old cottage once he's had the job completed and see if it's like for like. Also I estimated 1500 for your shed kitout

[@burridgeelectricalyourloca2075]

I got 1440 min for shed supply , for TT I always put in RCBO DB , actually I don't put in duel Rcds anymore , altho I do love those hager boards , fusebox are decent and reasonable priced for RCBOs but they also have the SPD tailed of the 100a isolator 🤷‍♂️

[@SillyPutty3700]

I am a US based Electrician in FL. Just curiosity roughly how many square feet is the 5 BR cottage? how many bath rooms and what appliances were going in the kitchen? I just priced (yesterday) partial rewire, new service on the outside, new panel, 4 GFCI receps (rcbo in an outlet). wire a mini split AC and a regular AC was $4400. No wall patching. I was probably a little on the high side but not stupid.

[@tedvanmatje]

I live over in Germany at the moment (for my sins, lol) - if you were to quote five grand to rewire a house over here, they'd bite your hand off mate. You'd have that many contracts you'd have to turn some down.

[@wizard3z868]

kind of the same in my market in New england (usa north east) $5k to $10k reasonable

[@davidshields1240]

You need to fit either a Hagar insulated tail entry blank or an insulated tail entry TRS gland which also stops any movement on the tails inside the board

[@PurityVendetta]

I watch lots of these videos as I wanted to be an elechicken when I left school. Unfortunately I was told that because I had a very slight red green colour deficiency I was told I couldn't. Later proved to be bs. I spent time doing lots of things like repairing equipment for the UK's largest pa hire company. I have a small engineering company which has been hard hit by brexshit and the C19 pandemic. I really wish I'd had the chance to do an apprenticeship 😔 I'd really love to work on industrial installations, that would be my dream job. Never mind, all too late now. I suppose the moral of this story is to never let idiots stop you from what you want to do. Unfortunately idiots are one resource the UK is never short of.

[@whatevernamegoeshere3644]

Hey now, it's not too late. I have a colleague that left his path and became an electrician at the age of 45.

[@PurityVendetta]

@@whatevernamegoeshere3644 Sadly I can't see it in my late 50's but thank you for the positive vibes.

[@lansdorf]

Had a customer comment on how much I was making so I said right let's brake it down 5 x double sockets in lounge a light and switch, to uninstall the wiring if had to work between two rooms and access 7 areas of the lounge chop the wires in plaster patch and so on, now let's look at the plumber hes run 2 plastic pipes two each room up the front of the skirting board destroyed your floor boards and so on, my rewire price worked out £20 ph the plumber £100 ph so he's the one milking your bank account not me. The Penny's soon dropped and the customer fuckt off and left me alone, I got the job done to a high standard and put them in my no return book.

[@Callllum]

Genuinely at a loss why you can’t use a pme supply for an out building. Any issue with the lost neutral will cause the same problems in the main building also

[@jonanders76]

You can use/extend a PME supply for an outbuilding. Not sure why you think you can't.

[@chrismaplethorpe6781]

I know from past experience old houses take more work to rewire than newer properties. Am pleased don't do domestic. The client always want a good job doing for next to nothing. The old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very true

[@TeamDangerous]

Not too expensive in my opinion, old cottages are difficult to rewire , we re currently rewiring a really old property , oak beams everywhere , u can’t get under the floor in many places as the floor is the ceiling below , a bit of an electricians nightmare if u ask me. We are just doing it day rate thank god . But customer said only the other day can u keep it under 4 grand!! . I work for my dad , just me and him in our business so we haven’t got many overheads but there’s obviously the minimum (insurance niceic registration vans tools etc) Gonna be pretty difficult to do it for under 4 grand!

[@Superkev001]

Why not fit comm block, tails and stand alone cu for the submain ? then fit RCD at workshop then you wont get 2 in series. I would say 2k

[@marcus62647]

It doesnt matter, the rccbs in the hager board will take a fair bit of time to trip A/C currents as theyre type A - 1 x rough 100ms + and close to 40ms on 5 times, so selectivity comes to mind, the type A/C RCD im assuming will be used for the workshop will trip faster causing no nuisance trip in the house 👍

[@mathewjohnson4000]

To be honest I haven’t put pent to paper but I would be about £1600+VAT

[@eminemisdogshit4626]

Its a chuckle when they ask for a discount for cash. "Sorry love that is the cash price"!😂😂

[@zabizeyaee8002]

They give you cash says a duck. which is as good as money.

[@eminemisdogshit4626]

@@zabizeyaee8002 what?

[@Elvis_TheKing]

@zabi zeyaee I’m now picturing a talking duck trying to barter the price of a re-wire! 🦆

[@eminemisdogshit4626]

@@Elvis_TheKing weirdo

[@MrPutrifyingEagor]

I’ll tell you what mate, don’t ever let any client telling you someone is loads cheaper get you down. I would say you were on point with your price. I’ve priced EICR tests in Schools & I’ve priced tight & allowing for working like fuck! & I’ve lost jobs by big margins to other companies who simply cannot do the tests properly for the money. I’ve even had cases where I get the work the next time around as the client realised it wasn’t done properly.

[@deanwade2704]

I agree with one your followers you carry out a good standard of work with your price is justified he may have been trying get your price down But your did right thing walk away

[@pianoandviolin]

Excellent videos I enjoy your channel a lot and learn a lot. In regards pricing - you're very much cheaper from what is changed in Ireland and to be fair you are a professional and so confident are you in your trade you actually publish your work for all to see online as you know it is quality. If you were in Ireland I would definitely pay a bit more for your service over another. ps-in regards your skin comment... I hope you don't mind me saying but I think you look very easy on the eye as always.

[@gd-bq7em]

Am you doing a video on that earth rod install and c.u change

[@havoctrousers]

What kind of barbarian gets bacon from McDonalds? Sausage and egg McMuffin all the way! :D

[@account2979]

Not McDonald's, Even worse it's from Costa!!!

[@Clicksystems]

Lol, I get best of both worlds, Sausage and egg McMuffin, with “Add Bacon”

[@johnbrain6790]

It's no wonder he didn't get the rewire!

[@andy0175]

Costa bacun rolls are a thing of beauty....just bloody expensive😳😜

[@tezb]

Every day a school day I’ve always come out the meter in to a insulated enclosure with rccd fitted -on a TT system Then out with DI tails to what ever I’m feeding.

[@olec8978]

I came in bang in 1300 also so if were me would probably stick it at 1450 as I always price over my initial calculation for safety. I know they were for down lights but worth mentioning the in sure push connectors are not maintenance free (unless they have upgraded them). I was told this from ideal themselves about a year ago so worth noing if anyone is intending in putting them under floors (which I had up until then). Let's hope they have or will change that as they are great and good value 👍

[@cglees]

Interesting comment on the Wagobox. I didn’t realise until recently that Wago do do make the Wagobox, it’s made by another company to be compatible with Wago connectors.

[@misterxxxx8506]

Had that Chris, been turned down for a full rewire to be called 2 months down the line to fix someone else's crap.

[@danbarnes5878]

Hi just started watching your videos great to watch, if poss could you do a break down of how you priced the garage install many thanks

[@montystelevision3238]

I charge £160 a day for work like a rewire as my wages cost. Then plus accessories, fittings and consumables. If a job needs a labourer then that’s extra. So Labour for me only on a five day rewire would be £800.

[@yuoungdee]

Great vid I was way more expensive in my head 😂😂 As for the cottage job stick to your price unless it’s got a possibility of future works ie builder/company with projects! I priced a rewire once for a friend of a friend empty house for £2800 he got a guy in for a thousand pounds less 🤦🏻‍♂️ anyway fast forward 2 years and I had a phone call off a lady who needed a house signing off after her son had had a guy rewire the house and never signed it off now they needed it as they were selling It. The prospective buyers had paid for an Eicr to be done there were 19 C1/C2’s little did she know I had lost the job to this “electrician” as you can guess I took great pleasure in passing my judgement on what had happened 😂😂 As I say stick to your prices and do it properly as you do mate. 👍🏻

[@martinnoyes8507]

Some years ago I quoted to rewire a 1930,s house, three bedroom.Was told we have got a lower price, oh pok then.Some time after I was rather surprised when the client contacted me and wanted me to call round, when I got there, they wanted my opion on what had been done.Well; every, switch ,socket, etc, surface, which had been flush previous, the "electrician" had said all the fittings had to be surface as that was the "regulations".Exterior wall lights, only half way up the wall, as apparently it was against the "regulations" for them to be any higher.One way switch's on up side down, back boxes fied with one screw and most loose on the wall.At every ceiling rose, the brown and blue of the pendent , out of the rose, as the "electrician" had not even bothered to hook them up in the ceiling rose.That and other things, well you pays your money and you pays your price.

[@neiltrevatt]

If it’s a high integrity board it will have 3 neutral bars if only 2 it’s just a dual RCD

[@robswingler]

Should be a 100 ma if your using dual rcd as you have all the single insulated tails going to each rcd in the enclosure. Dangerous if you don’t . Check out the on-site guide it says to use 100 ma if your using dual rcd. Use rcbo board instead where you only have the incoming tails which aren’t protected but are double insulated and glanced.

[@wizard3z868]

a panel board that has knock out holes for cable retainer grommets and its a metal enclosure i have only seen the plastic ones with that giant oval slot

[@eminemisdogshit4626]

Since part p, the electrical industry has been flooded with what i call.."The shiny van brigade", complete with new lease vans and talking a good show in the wholesalers. The truth is all these fancy tools, posh workclothes and lease vans arent cheap so this gets passed on to the customer. The work some of these guys churn out is shocking though

[@stuartandrews4344]

Was a bad day in 2005 ,when Part P was brought out.

[@topgazza]

One of the measures of getting quote is price. Cheapest is not always best and neither is most expensive a guarantee of quality

[@RetiredandLivingthedream]

In my day as a part time Electrician (self employed ) UK 2008 I charged £130 a day here in Thailand now 2021 I have done electrical work for friends for £50 a day done a couple of New house wiring to U.K. standards or as close as I could get to it. Working in this heat is very hard work. At £50 a day I’m expensive Thai Electrics is shocking very bad.

[@SometimeWoodworker]

That is not much above local rates none of whom are qualified at all. I use a PEA/EGAT Electriction his rates are considerably higher than yours, over 3 times. He is as you can see from his day job a real electriction and working in the Udon Thani area. His prices are worth paying as he understands the details of the job. I make furniture and will not sell for anything less than my time is worth, so I don’t sell anything, luckily I don’t need to.

[@ColinDH12345]

I thought the leaflet only omitted 221's as hadn't been updated. Also, the sections at the end of the box fit 222 and although 221's go in there they are not a neat fit. However, I have used those boxes with 221's. I have another query... why do they have cable tie slots? If it's not accessible and they are a tight fit (and they are a VERY tight fit) then why would you tie them?

[@jayosullivan4756]

Probably so you need a tool to gain accesses to them just so they can’t just be opened if that makes sense

[@jayosullivan4756]

Well I can guess theirs probably thousands of wago MF boxes install that apparently aren’t MF then 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jayosullivan4756]

Richard Walsh you see I’ve just had a look and can’t see that it states that a cable tie must be used to maintain the MF I assumed it was down to the connectors used like 773-222.

[@nw5835]

Colin Herbert Screwfix have Wagobox 221 connecter inserts pack of 20 £4.99 - item No 822FV.

[@ColinDH12345]

@@nw5835 Yes thanks and apparently you should use these to stop any vibration (yes, vibration) that may work the connectors loose. If you use the inserts there is no vibration and so they are certified MF. Cable ties not needed for MF. I cant see the cables I have put in vibrating but I may get the inserts! Money for the boys methinks.

[@Dontmindme__]

Well done for pointing out the wago box instructions Chris, been seeing all sorts in them. And the red wagos are rated at 40a aren’t they?

[@gutsngorrrr]

I'd love to know if that customer ever came back to you after they had problems with the "cheap" install

[@stephenpeacock2627]

Complete rewire in an old house is always going to be expensive. New consumer box fire rated and a few other things ....I’ve been quoted £750 inc vat.

[@bobbsinclairr7079]

I’m currently an apprentice and find your videos great to watch. I am currently saving and gradually buying myself tools which will come to use for me. I would like a torque screwdriver, can you recommend? Also some other tools you would recommend which will be of good use. I have basics, standard screwdriver set, hammer, spirit level, tape measure. No power tools yet, I currently chase walls 😶 early doors for wiring but I’d like to prepare for when my boss trusts me to take my next steps

[@Cjrelectrical]

5 tools Draper torque screwdriver (great price) 6 inch hammer (£5) Ck wire strippers (red handles £18) Marxsman pen (£4.50) 6 inch wire cutters.

[@bobbsinclairr7079]

Thank you!! I’ll keep watching your videos ! Great humble guy to watch , shame the tutors at college didn’t share some of the knowledge you share in your videos

[@billywhizz98]

If the customer gets back to you saying that they have been given a quote cheaper than what you have quoted them I would say why are you telling me go with them my price is what it is

[@Alan_AB]

Interesting point about not using Wago 221's in their boxes. I'm wondering are Wago trying to move away from the 221 to the 222 and 773 because of their ability to handle prolonged overload temperatures. Either way, thanks for pointing it out.

[@mattthompson8657]

What's wrong with using 20A rated connectors on a 32a ring? Don't need 32a connectors unless it's a 32a radial.

[@dkeable3970]

interesting, I see your point but its not uncommon to find that a 32a ring is in fact 2 x 32a radials where someone's left a loose connection somewhere. So the 32a connectors are certainly needed to allow for this common potential fault.

[@mattthompson8657]

@@dkeable3970 By that logic we should be using 4 or 6mm cable for ring circuits so the cable is rated for 32a

[@dkeable3970]

Matt Thompson I guess so, maybe I didn’t think that through 😂

[@minixtvbox]

@@mattthompson8657 yes should that's why faults requiring a rewire of the house due to melted cables in the wall are occuring

[@mattthompson8657]

@@minixtvbox what are you on about?

[@MATTE.U.K]

Hi, could someone please tell me where I can buy the light blue cable inside the fuse box. It would be perfect for a project of mine. Thank you.

[@quigofamily6362]

Your price is your price mate. You have priced to do a proper job and you know how to price. £5k seems low for that size property but I’m on London prices. Anyone who hammers a £5k price for that size house hasn’t got a clue what they are at.

[@tomorichard]

100ma as a main switch if flexible links are present within fuseboard

[@coreyburleigh9009]

100mA main switch? 😂

[@rafdannyboy]

Prices are spot on for 2019, 2020 add another 15%

[@NordenEngineering]

The 6mm Tri Rated Cable feeding the SPD is protected by the 100 amp main breaker this is ok as it is such a short cable and is contained in a metal enclosure same as a bus bar system the cables also have a protective sleeve for extra mechanical and insulation protection Hagar would of had it approved to be ok

[@Wintersky136]

Just for personal information... why don‘t you install a Hager ZB31S with a let‘s say ZU32L Insert?

[@winfrank1]

It's might sound like a silly question but the 5k cottage job is that including materials or just labour to do the job ?

[@matthewstevens7486]

I'm at £1700, I didn't go through all the training to be a professional just to go out cheap. Experience costs. Besides your order book is full, that does not happen by chance.

[@zabizeyaee8002]

That is a fair price man. Here in US I'd charge almost double that but of course in US Dollars. There are always some cheap clients that want quality job for cheap price. They can't have a cake and eat it too. I recently bid on a job for a guy and after I gave him the quote, he liked it but he wanted to do some of the work himself. One of those know enough to be dangerous kinds. He wasted my time so I reciprocated and in the end told him can't do it due to liability. I also charge double those clients who hire fly by nights that run away without competing the job, and clients that are wannabe sparky and want me to fix their fuck ups...

[@lazylad9064]

Not a sparky but thought 1800 was in the ball park

[@MarniLondon]

The most organised electricians Van haha but this guy is a great electrician and I love his videos

[@andychara1631]

Another great video mate. quick question. which is the best way to cut down bus bars or the correct way to cut them down to size? Cheers.

[@yensabi]

Andy chara .....I use a cordless angle grinder , it works a treat and you can also smooth the rough edges with it....👍

[@Cjrelectrical]

Two sturdy pairs of pliers placed on the stamped lines the break off with no fuss

[@yensabi]

Richard Walsh ....who mentioned Hager....? Andy chara asked what was the best way to cut bus bars ( A general question ) I think......😜

[@supersparks7770]

Hi Chris great channel 👍 I make the price £1650 but I’m putting in a 3core swa assuming they have pme ? Was your reasons for not importing the earth down to cost or tripping problems (just curious) ?? Also yes I noticed maintenance free wago’s in them self made boxes only ? Plus I only use the 24amp ones on ring mains purely down to the fact you only need to protect the cable not the overload device and 2.5t/e as you know (roughly speaking) is rated at about 20amps ? Keep the good work up you seem like a good spark ⚡️

[@sbmorris2k6]

Thought it's because you cant import the earth on a pme system if you have incoming services to a shed/outbuilding, incase you lose the neutral so have to tt the outbuilding ?

[@daverhodes382]

@@sbmorris2k6 Correct.

[@MrFreddywise1]

i certainly hope that the guy who did it was Insured, an gave all the right certifications,

[@martinmcgarry9241]

From the sounds of the cottage job £5300 seems about right for that mate 👍

[@Chris-ot9jf]

My customers tell me I’m expensive after they’ve accepted the quote and I’ve completed the job. I’ve noticed it happening more so this year with the cost of living going up.

[@thomasyeoman1]

Where do you buy the Hager 18th SPD boards from? And for how much?

[@sibomb3423]

💀💀💀Why when I hold the probes on my continuity meter does it say there is condinuity?

[@TheAdeybob]

I live in rented accom..and I tell you what, I wish the landlord contracted pro's like you. Before I moved here, this place had suffered a poor conversion from commercial use to domestic dwelling, with no planning permission for the loft extension - so you can imagine the kinds of contractors the landlord sends here. Watching your channel is like a breath of fresh air - you're every bit a pro. The last contractor (I won't call him a sparky) the landlord sent here was fitting a pendant light when he actually fried himself and tripped all the switches on the board - this was *after* he refused my offer to use my touch-tester, and a multimeter. "It's ok", he said, "I already got one" *bang*. He used my test equipment after that. He hadn't isolated at the board - he'd flipped the wrong fuse in there. He was halfway through the job when the landlord called him away to do some pointing outside instead. Yup - pointing. When he ran out, I didn't realise it at the time but he'd left my ladders up in the middle of the room, and he'd left all the live wires dangling from the ceiling. Worse, he'd left the switch hanging out the wall - live. LOL..he even took the screws with him. I found this out a couple of hours later when I was groping blind for the light switch in the pitch dark, and found myself groping at the exposed back of the switchplate. It was pure luck I didn't get a jolt. Yeah, next day I banned the contractor from the house and told him the landlord was taking advantage of him, and then I freaked at the landlord - esp being as the landlord didn't even get it sorted when I tried to contact him straight after. I'm not at all confident about house electrics, but because the kid had actually took the screws too, I had to cannibalise some screws before I could fix the plate to the wall with a torch in my mouth, and after isolating the whole house at the board because the light breaker didn't actually isolate the lights. I've called environmental health, and am contacting trading standards over it, and because of the complete lack of fire safety here. This place is a death-trap. What with all the other issues uncovered here lately, I haven't slept a wink in weeks. The landlord's got the same kid doing the electrics in a couple of properties he's 'renovating'. Scary.

[@TheAdeybob]

@Prem I was broke and had no other options at the time. 2 years later, and am in a nice place now...and the property I was talking about above is still being renovated under the close supervision of the local council.

[@robbryden4982]

In the North east that cottage would be 2700 quid max. There's 2 bedroom empty house getting done up for for 2 grand. Unbelievable they do them in a day or two max. I started doing one day rewires years ago unbelievable hard work absolutely kills you. I can't keep the pace anymore

[@magnets1000]

How many days are you looking at for the 5 bed rewire?

[@themagpie_1]

after 17yrs as a self emplyed contractor you learn that some ppl/clients, haven`t actually had any other quotes. they just want you too drop 20% off..

[@RizSharif]

Hey CJR, I been watching you for a while now and lately I have had a question in my mind... Suppose you have to hang a ceiling light that's not too heavy but heavy enough for you not to be able to hold it and do the connections at the same time. what do you do? is there always a person that needs to hold it up for you or is there a stand/jig/tripod in the electrical industry that can be used to hold it up for you to get the connections done and then install it? many have suggested let it hang with just the eart connected but that's not really a solution or use a wire hanger not really a proper solution either. seems kind of crazy but I cannot seem to find anything online with just a quick search. Currently studying the 2365 and 18 edition so I try to workout different scenarios in my head if I was to ever face them. any input and thought or solution will be much appreciated. all the best with you daily work. regards

[@MagnetechSolidSolutions]

You need to rest it on the ladder young man. Or if it's really heavy get yourself a buddy to give you a hand while you make connections, it's really as simple as that. Happy training 👍

[@ARElectrics]

And to add height to the job aswel can be tricky. Using a tower scaffold on those really high up fittings makes it easier but still need a man and mate for fitting. I have also erected a tower high enough to support the fitting on the platform for connecting.

[@lotrt2t]

I had this problem a few years ago with a chandelier type light. I thread a belt thru it and hung it round my neck/adjusted to allow fixture to rest on my chest while I connected it up with both hands

[@BritishLifeSafetySystems]

Heya Chris, where do you buy your boards from?