Falklands: Argentinian Horror - Cold War DOCUMENTARY

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Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video on the Falklands War, as we discuss how the Argentinian perspective of the war against the United Kingdom, focusing on the horror that the soldiers of Argentina went through.
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@honved1
@honved1 2 жыл бұрын
I know a guy who fought in the falklands, he was in the Welsh guards. He said there was a problem with a group of prisoners he was guarding and it was made worse by the poor conscripts lack of English. One of the prisoners noticed that he was a Welsh guard and stunned the veteran by speaking fluent welsh to him! The conscript came from a Welsh community in Patagonia no less.
@shihtzu291
@shihtzu291 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard about this place a while ago about Welsh speaking Argentinians and I think I remember that there's a few over the border in Chile as well, who would of thought Welsh speaking people in the South of South America. Trouble is I can't remember how they got there or why they speak the language but it is very weird!RIP to all of the fallen soldiers from both sides of 40 years ago. 🇬🇧👍🇦🇷
@honved1
@honved1 2 жыл бұрын
@@shihtzu291 they went there in the 1800s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa
@shihtzu291
@shihtzu291 2 жыл бұрын
@@honved1 - Thanks for that I'm going to look it up right now I like to learn something new. 👍
@ra8784
@ra8784 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I heard a lot of people who live in the Falklands are of Welsh descent
@GarkKahn
@GarkKahn 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of people in the south are descendant of welsh and danish, specially near the coast
@jonasmarcili0
@jonasmarcili0 2 жыл бұрын
All the 60-80s dictatorships in South America left our societies with long-lasting scars, some subtle today. And most of it weren’t properly reckoned with.
@reintaler6355
@reintaler6355 2 жыл бұрын
@lati long you see similar things today with how many people not aware of any other conflict in the past 10 years besides Russia-Ukraine
@kalle911
@kalle911 2 жыл бұрын
@@reintaler6355 how many then let's hear it
@andrewdeen1
@andrewdeen1 Жыл бұрын
and they were almost all propped up by the USA and CIA
@andrewdeen1
@andrewdeen1 Жыл бұрын
@@kalle911 sri lanka, georgia, chechnya, central african republic, indonesia... afghanistan, iraq, syria, yemen... chad, mali, arab spring, mexico drug wars...
@kalle911
@kalle911 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewdeen1 that many people?
@johnrust592
@johnrust592 2 жыл бұрын
Upsetting that the British military showed more respect for those dead Argentinian soldiers than many of the leaders of the Argentine armed forces. Criminal that the junta sent 18, 19 year olds who barely knew how to use a rifle against highly trained soldiers like the Royal Marines and British Paras.
@williammorley2401
@williammorley2401 2 жыл бұрын
John Rust, I'm sure that the Royal marines and Paras still weren't overly keen on attacking high ground with heavily dug in machine gun posts, whether it was conscripts or a professional army that was firing down on them!
@billnotice9957
@billnotice9957 2 жыл бұрын
Just like that DOG Putin. How many Russian soldiers will be buried in Ukraine?
@Ukraineaissance2014
@Ukraineaissance2014 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the saddest part. Conscripts against paras, young boys hsd no chance. Loads of them were bayoneted in their fox holes.
@paulmckearney4945
@paulmckearney4945 2 жыл бұрын
There were 17 and 18 year-olds in the British forces too. One para was killed at Mt Longdon on his 18th birthday. Of course they had better training and leadership.
@paulmckearney4945
@paulmckearney4945 2 жыл бұрын
@@williammorley2401 And attacking at night an enemy that they knew had superior night-vision sights and heavier calibre machine guns.
@kchall5
@kchall5 2 жыл бұрын
The Argentine junta sure didn't know how to read the room. If they had any foresight they would have taken note of the political and economic climate in London at that time, where the UK was in a deep recession, and the Thatcher government was deeply unpopular and in danger of collapse. The ham-fisted decision to invade the Falklands was just what Thatcher needed to rally the country, and her government, from the doldrums. I was in the U.S. Navy at the time, and since it was the first significant military action from a western nation since Vietnam we followed it with great interest. As you mentioned, the Argentines were painfully ill-prepared for the response, and didn't really fortify or reinforce despite knowing that a British armada was on the way. When you describe just how brutal Argentine officers were toward their own troops, it's little wonder that they folded like a cheap tent when shit got real.
@Krysnha
@Krysnha 2 жыл бұрын
I remember an od documentary that show, that the soldiers, of Argetina, were quite brave, but ill prepare and wiouth any training at all, and the officers, didint care at all, they knew a British task force came, i remember in a documentary, saying that a soldier tell to his superior, that they needed to reinforce the beach to avoid landings, the officer reply, shut up soldiers ddint think. It was an old documentary in the history channel, dont remember the name, but i am from Uruguay and sometimes we receive news from our neigthbours, but i find hilarious that the new i receive from the anniversary of Falklands come from here and not the newes
@solarsailor1534
@solarsailor1534 2 жыл бұрын
In a way Russia has fallen into the same trap in Ukraine. Russia saw all the domestic problems the west was having and how unpopular Zelensky actually was. They thought those two issues combined would mean they would meet little unified resistance. The Russians and the Argentinians both forgot that wars are great distractions from domestic incompetence for your enemies too.
@chedelirio6984
@chedelirio6984 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is that they may have known the Thatcher government was faltering... but believed that causing a crisis would make it *fall* and that a successor would just yield to keep peace. And to be fair, not everyone worldwide expected the UK to go all in at the start.
@sargesacker2599
@sargesacker2599 2 жыл бұрын
You should watch Historigraph’s recent video on the Falklands war as it gives context on Argentina’s decision.
@mrbisshie
@mrbisshie 2 жыл бұрын
Mussolini learned that the hard way when he invaded Greece. lol
@mosesracal6758
@mosesracal6758 2 жыл бұрын
Its sad to see that there are many who doesnt know how the military junta treated the invasion, basically sending men to their deaths, then the British gets blamed for the death toll.
@ShubhamMishrabro
@ShubhamMishrabro 2 жыл бұрын
@@albertmont3411 🤣🤣😭
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet 2 жыл бұрын
The aggressors are always the victims, aren't they? That's how bullies work. Putin sees himself as a victim.
@nylkul9933
@nylkul9933 2 жыл бұрын
Russians are attempting the same thing, blaming the Ukrainians for their death toll. If you're gonna invade somebody then at least don't bitch about getting your boys back in body bags.
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet 2 жыл бұрын
@@albertmont3411 the sad thing is, 40 years on, you're still butthurt over your leaders bungling, needless invasion of The 🇫🇰 Falklands. 🤭
@totalbamber
@totalbamber 2 жыл бұрын
@@albertmont3411 Ah, so you're racist as well as deluded.
@joseaca1010
@joseaca1010 2 жыл бұрын
"Soldado argentino solo conocido por Dios" Geez that sent shivers down my spine
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
“Known Unto God” is an epitaph that has adorned graves of unknown British soldiers since at least World War One.
@joseaca1010
@joseaca1010 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hollows1997 maybe so, but still, spanish my native language, im not used to listening to phrases such as those in spanish, hits different
@TheBKnight3
@TheBKnight3 2 жыл бұрын
Again this war was interesting in the human sense of the word. The combatants ended up not hating each other and still respecting each other in the end. Trusting the opposition with attendance to formal burials and ceremonies just hours from the end of hostilities sounds almost impossible today. It almost gives me hope.
@dragonstormdipro1013
@dragonstormdipro1013 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like something Indian army would do
@chrissnyder2091
@chrissnyder2091 2 жыл бұрын
Just another acknowledgment that most people have far more in common with others than things that separate them.
@shaunmcclory8117
@shaunmcclory8117 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly it seems to be very one sided going on 99% of comments on many youtube videos from Argentinians
@m_fredi9549
@m_fredi9549 Жыл бұрын
@@shaunmcclory8117 don't pay attention to it. Most people that search for military related videos are nationalistic. And of those many are full of hate. As far as I know most of the population of both nations and people who fought rather like the other country
@shaunmcclory8117
@shaunmcclory8117 Жыл бұрын
@@m_fredi9549 yes that is certainly true of the people who were there, im pretty sure none of the "we will be back" type comments are from ex forces men, the only Argentinian i have an issue with is Diego Maradona!👍
@sollamander2206
@sollamander2206 2 жыл бұрын
I watched documentary on the war and a couple of things stood out. One Argentinian soldier was completely disillusioned by how thoroughly British pretty much every resident on the island was. The other thing was how the British military felt that they were mainly being deployed as a negotiation tactic and they showed videos of the early part of the voyage to the Falklands and it had a spring break atmosphere.
@m24213
@m24213 2 жыл бұрын
The Irony here is that the supposed enemy of the soldiers showed them more respect than their own "officers".
@TomFynn
@TomFynn Жыл бұрын
In "Across an Angry Sea", Cedric Delves, then CO of D Sqdr, 22 SAS, told how they capture an Argentine officer who seemed to ignore the situation that he'd just became POW. His antics continued until the Brit searched his gear, found a bigass hunting rifle with bigass scope, and even more important hunting ammunition specifically banned by the Geneva Convention. The Argentine officer quickly realized that he was suddenly a long way from home and without a single friend.
@ste2442
@ste2442 2 жыл бұрын
Lest we forget the fallen on both sides 🇬🇧🤝🇦🇷
@HoracioGalacho
@HoracioGalacho 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Sir: As argentinian citizen (and very proud to be of) I thank you very much for this video. Best regards Horacio A. Galacho - Rep. Argentina
@TheMagicLemur
@TheMagicLemur 2 жыл бұрын
Really fascinating - had no idea of the horrors on the Argentinian side. As a Brit: it made me realise that war is awful to all concerned. Those who think Russia-Ukraine is some computer game are sorely mistaken.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
Muy distorsionado y manipulado el informe. Deberías conectarte con algunos de los cientos de centros de ex combatientes de Malvinas en Argentina para escuchar de los mismos la falsedades que se dicen en este informe.
@TheMagicLemur
@TheMagicLemur Жыл бұрын
Charming but its tone is pretty fair and they bend over backwards to understand the Argentine side. Argentina was a dictatorship and that's never going to result in a pretty story - so not really a "distorsionado y manipulado el informe" for telling it like it is. You should talk to some Falklands veterans from the UK before dismissing their perspective too.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMagicLemur Justamente, los veteranos de guerra de Gran Bretaña opinan distinto a lo que se ve en el video, muy parcial por cierto. Muchos de ellos han venido a Argentina y muchos argentinos han visitado Gran Bretaña a intercambiar ideas y realizar conferencias. Muchos no coinciden con lo que muestra este video. Yo por concurrir a un centro de veteranos de mi ciudad tuve la oportunidad de asistir a uno de estos encuentros y se muy bien a que me refiero. Por supuesto que siempre va a haber alguien que opine distinto o haga uso de un nacionalismo desmesurado , tanto de un lado u otro, pero la gran mayoría difiere y mucho de esto. Lo serio es publicar algo teniendo en cuenta las dos perspectivas, no solo una, acá no lo han hecho. En cuanto a la Dictadura, estas las impusieron en Sudamérica EEUU en complicidad con "las Democracias de Occidente" para frenar lo que llamaban el avance del comunismo en el mundo, y la ex Primera Ministra tuvo de aliado en esa guerra a uno de los mas brutales Dictadores de la región, al General Pinochet de Chile, o sea que a nadie le importaba las Dictaduras, las utilizaban o desechaban según su interes
@TheMagicLemur
@TheMagicLemur Жыл бұрын
Hmm maybe - History is always written by the victors though and you haven't made clear exactly how the video is biased (with specific examples). This video does bend over backwards to see their perspective, but ultimately the Argentinians were the invaders, so why are they the victims here exactly? They're not - any more than Russia is right now. Before the war: Britain would almost have given the Falklands to Argentina (although the people actually living there didn't want that, which people like you never seem to take into account). As for Pinochet: 'my enemy's enemy' and all that. Right now Zelenskyy is quite oppressive and corrupt, but that doesn't detract from their cause. Where we agree is that a lot of odious dictatorships were propped up in the Cold War - that's what this video highlights. However that doesn't justify their actions - the Americans didn't want them to invade the Falklands or even green light it. Far from being biased: this documentary bends over backwards to see the Argentine perspective. Having encountered Falklands veterans: many on all sides still feel aggrieved and angry about what happened, but that doesn't mean either perspective is wrong or that people seeking to present both sides haven't done their utmost.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
@@TheMagicLemur Te respondo. Argentina no "invadió" Malvinas, es muy simplista decir esto y descartar la historia del conflicto. En todo caso Argentina intentó "recuperar" Malvinas, territorio que si fue invadido y usurpado por Gran Bretaña en 1833, expulsando a la población y Gobernador Argentino de Puerto Soledad. O sea que no tiene nada que ver con el conflicto entre Rusia y Ucrania. En cuanto a Pinochet lo "del enemigo de mi amigo" es toda una cortina de humo que inventaron cuando se descubrió sus accionar a favor de Gran Bretaña en Malvinas, ya que sus diplomáticos en todos los foros internacionales decían que su país era neutral y buscaban una solución pacífica al conflicto, y sin embargo hicieron todo lo contrario, por la espalda, a escondidas. La verdad del porque apoyó a a Gran Bretaña fueron otras, entre ellas desactivar las investigaciones de Naciones Unidas contra su régimen por las constantes violaciones a los Derechos Humanos que lo tenían acorralado, algo que evidentemente logró, ya que al volver la Democracia a su pais no se lo investigó nunca mas y siguió en el poder. Otra de las causas fue el levantamiento del embargo a las ventas de armas por parte de Gran Bretaña a Chile, lo que también logró ya que le enviaron un escuadrón de cazabombarderos Hawer, 6 cazabombarderos Camberra, el Crucero Galsmorgan de la Royal Navy, uranio enriquecido , entre oras cosas, no el temor a un posterior conflicto entre Argentina y Chile, algo que siempre fue imposible (Argentina nunca fue una potencia militar para hacer dos guerras seguidas) . Fue la excusa para no quedar mal ante la opinión pública, pero a nadie en Latinoamérica le cayó bien lo que hizo su régimen. Lo que si se cuestiona es la doble moral, ya que la ex Primera Ministra dijo en su discurso ante las Camaras que su Gobierno jamas negociaría con una Dictadura y solo lo haría con Gobiernos Democráticos, sin embargo su principal aliado en Sudamérica fue el General Pinochet, uno de los mas brutales Dictadores de la región y hasta salió a defenderlo cuando fue detenido en Londres por crímenes de lesa humanidad, por su ayuda en la guerra., una hipocresía total. En cuanto a los veteranos, yo si bien fui soldado durante el conflicto, no fui a Malvinas, pero igual concurro a un centro de ex combatientes de mi ciudad y le puedo asegurar que el reclamos de estos es por el olvido que tienen gracias al famoso proceso de desmalvinización que se instauró en Argentina post Malvinas, pero están muy orgullosos de lo que han hecho en las islas, ninguno se quería rendir, lloraban cuando lo hicieron y bajaban cantando el himno nacional. A su ves la relación entre estos y sus ex oficiales es muy buena lo que desmiente todo lo que se dice del mal trato, torturas, etc, nada de eso es cierto y se quizo instalar por ese llamado proceso que le mencioné , para desnotar todo lo que se refiera a las Fuerzas Armadas de este pais tras Malvinas.
@eskhawk
@eskhawk 2 жыл бұрын
I had always heard the Argentinian army sent their conscript divisions to The Falklands so their regular (non conscript) divisions could man the Chilean border...Apparently they considered the Chileans aa greater threat than the British...
@belegthoron8603
@belegthoron8603 2 жыл бұрын
Well, Chile was more dangerous due to being neighbours with Argentina, compared to a small outpost and the British forces so far away. Add that to the tense relations because of the 1978 crisis of the Beagle Chanel mentioned in this video, wich probably made the Argentinian Junta afraid of being attacked in the border while distracted with the Malvinas/Falklands. Also, like this video mentioned at some point, if the invasion of the islands was succesful , Argentina would've probably attacked Chile afterwards.
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
there was no non-conscript divisions, the entire military service relied on annual conscription through a national ruffle that determined which citizens will be drafted, and which service (air force, army, navy) each one will be in. the divisions kept in the continent were better trained and used to the patagonian climate.
@downunderrob
@downunderrob 2 жыл бұрын
Not just that, but the Argies had plans for several disputed islands in Patagonia.
@diegotapia2830
@diegotapia2830 2 жыл бұрын
we almost went to war for the beagle channel in 1978, and during the conflict beside giving intelligence and support to the british, we also tied up the best argentinean units by sending troops to the border.
@NRM-sl1nx
@NRM-sl1nx 21 күн бұрын
2Bn Scots Guards destroyed the 5th Marines on Tumbledown. The 5th Marines were not conscripts.
@gunman47
@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын
There is an Argentine TV series, *Combatientes* (Fighters in English) that was made in 2013 and was billed as Argentina's version of the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers, which I think is worth a watch if one wants to see the Falklands War / Guerra de las Malvinas from the Argentine perspective. It narrates the experiences of a few young Argentine conscript soldiers and an officer during their time in the Falkland Islands / Islas Malvinas. Language is in Spanish though and I haven't been able to find English subtitles for this unfortunately.
@chrisl8355
@chrisl8355 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, really? Where can I find this?
@THEoneYETI
@THEoneYETI 2 жыл бұрын
Its only in Spanish no subs i've looked before :( there's also a famous book i'd love to read but again its only in Spanish :(
@gunman47
@gunman47 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisl8355 This can be easily found with a KZbin search of "Combatientes" with search results of the full 13 episodes of the entire series. The difficult part is finding English subtitles for it though, since understandably this series is aimed at a Spanish speaking audience.
@chrisl8355
@chrisl8355 2 жыл бұрын
@@gunman47 Really appreciate that. I'll be looking it up. I am a big fan of Band of Brothers. Language is not a problem for me, hablo Español : )
@brenokrug7775
@brenokrug7775 2 жыл бұрын
Gracias hermano, saludos de Brasil
@BTScriviner
@BTScriviner 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea of what the Argentine soldiers went through from their own government. Another great video.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
Vas a seguir sin tener idea ya que lo que muestra el video no es lo que realmente pasó. Deberías averiguar lo que piensan sobre esto los ex combatientes argentinos , Podrias conectarte con algunos de los centros de veteranos de Argentina y vas a ver que se dicen muchas mentiras.
@TheDudeman42
@TheDudeman42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for documenting the sacrifice that those Argentine soldiers gave and the honourable actions of the British in the post war.
@TheDudeman42
@TheDudeman42 2 жыл бұрын
@@amonradelrio I'm from Argentina. I never got to meet one of my family members because he died in this war. With that said, i never knew that Argentina refused to reclaim their dead. The British gave them burials with full military honors. That's honourable.
@AlexNegroiu
@AlexNegroiu 2 жыл бұрын
@UC1j5BVkC8k71RTyeYHII7Bw Malvinas, you mean?
@AussieFlavio
@AussieFlavio 2 жыл бұрын
@ger du Amusingly enough, there only a handful of nations which agree with Britain in this regard. France among them, and 2 or 3 of the smaller British colonies. Even the United States refuses to acknowledge either side, preferring a "neutral" policy that is hard to explain as anything but tacit support for Argentina, considering the relation we've had with the United Kingdom ever since the First World War. As I have spent a long part of my career studying Argentina and it's fate, I can tell you for certain that a good portion of the British failures in the ground were enabled by the US and "elements friendly to the Argentinian cause". Example: Argentina did not have satellite imagery that could locate warships across the South Atlantic. Only the US had that technology and also had friendly relations with Argentina. Whatever your view may be on International Law or your opinion on the topic, the United States will always have the last word, and it has yet to be a word the British like to hear.
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet 2 жыл бұрын
@@AussieFlavio ummmm, first, don't mistake neutrality for tacit support. You are way off the mark there. Neutrality means it's not our problem to solve. Secondly, we now know the Soviets were giving the Argentines weapons, intelligence, and satellite imagery. There is no way the Argies could find 5 British warships and sink them on their own. They had to have help and there was only one country to turn to for that help. The USSR.
@PhilipOConnell
@PhilipOConnell 9 ай бұрын
@@AussieFlavio The US blocked arm sales to argentina and gave the UK some missiles and jets. Sounds about as neutral as a gear in forward. So the US stated it's word on the matter quite clearly.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
Our officers weren't trained to fight a war. They were trained to "fight subversive elements" AKA commit state terrorism. (Thanks, Operation Condor) Nuestros conscriptos son los verdaderos héroes, gloria y honor a ellos y a todos los caídos en la guerra.
@AussieFlavio
@AussieFlavio 2 жыл бұрын
No. They were trained to fight a war in a different territorial environment (which was against Chile, the historical Argentinian nemesis) and most were not told what was going on until days before deployment (and this included many OF-6 and OF-7 officers). Among those, many came from units accustomed to warm weathers instead of mountain units which remained in the continent due to the relations with Chile that Argentina had ruined in the first place. The incompetence of the high command did not, in most scenarios, trickle down to the middle and low level officers save a few exceptions. Most of them were good at their job, but were not given the freedom to do it to their utmost ability. Very few of the men who fought the terrorist organizations ended up fighting the British because the units involved were different. Outside of the military engagement against insurgent military formations in Tucumán, there existed some large engagements across the country but none of these coalesced into battle lines.
@GasPipeJimmy
@GasPipeJimmy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Operation Condor? How about thanks Soviet Union and Cuba for exporting oppression? Also, if your home culture in Central or South America is fertile ground for communist insurgents, you are doing “culture” wrong.
@deprogramm
@deprogramm 2 жыл бұрын
blame your own government, it was your army doing the crimes.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
@@deprogramm well, the government was a military junta installed by a coup backed by the CIA sooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@simonh6371
@simonh6371 2 жыл бұрын
@@deprogramm The government was military at the time, so it was both committing the crimes. A military government which sent civilians (conscripts) to fight their war for them. They did it the wrong way around.
@johncorrall1739
@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын
I worked alongside a fellow twenty or so years back. He back packed through South America,in the 90’s. He really liked Argentina,I remember vividly him telling me how good natured the people of Argentina were,even when they were aware he was a Brit.
@CA999
@CA999 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a different perspective. We in the Anglo-American sphere tend to mostly get the victorious British view. I encountered an English veteran of that war in 2007 who asserted by then that statistically the war has caused more suicides among veterans than those who died in the war itself.
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet
@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet 2 жыл бұрын
Did he say what it was in particular that drove them to suicide?
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet a few variables, as with any armed conflict there is: survivor guilt, men turning to drink/drugs as a coping mechanism and then there are more in direct political reasons; massive unemployment in working class areas in the 1980s made many feel inadequate and that they had failed as husband/father, the ongoing witch hunt of servicemen from this period who would have served in Northern Ireland.
@CA999
@CA999 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet No. He did remark how isolated the people of the Falklands were. Simple-minded village people shocked by the violence of war.
@MrManBuzz
@MrManBuzz 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hollows1997Given how many of those soldiers behaved in Northern Ireland, their "witch hunt" is more than justified.
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrManBuzz it was a dirty conflict, and I’d agree if IRA men were being brought before courts for their actions, but seen as they aren’t then I don’t.
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very glad to see a video about South America. In fact, I think the history of South America is very important to understand American politics.
@nicholashoward7251
@nicholashoward7251 2 жыл бұрын
I was 8 at the time and it was the first world event I can recall. I think it was a just war and I'm glad we won but I feel sorry for the brave Argentinian soldiers who were let down so badly by their leadership.
@stuart5811
@stuart5811 2 жыл бұрын
I was very happy that the UK defeated the Nazi again Lol
@Charliecomet82
@Charliecomet82 2 жыл бұрын
I was an teenage Tankie and I thought it was a great thing, even if Maggie Thatcher was doing it.
@Camilo_Z
@Camilo_Z Жыл бұрын
@@stuart5811 ah yes, "nazis"
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 2 жыл бұрын
I hope the Argentine veterans get the justice they deserve for what they suffered at the hands of there commanding officers. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
@zddxddyddw
@zddxddyddw Жыл бұрын
When democracy returned the dictators and their collaborators were put on trial and jailed. They all died in prison, where they belonged.
@christianmoore7109
@christianmoore7109 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the best way to boost morale: yelling racial slurs at your troops. Surely this will never backfire.
@williamfrancis5367
@williamfrancis5367 2 жыл бұрын
Got nothing on making your own soldiers eat sh*t. Now if that doesn't boost morale I don't know what will.
@RandomHistoric
@RandomHistoric 2 жыл бұрын
No such thing as racial slurs in Argentina.
@omarbradley6807
@omarbradley6807 2 жыл бұрын
In part it is true who Argentina didn't have "race" issues, neither have "religious" issues, but the brutes who were "officers" in the armed forces, were high school bullies, they were incredible brute, and they just bullie their troops, like they always did.
@CaptCKernel
@CaptCKernel Жыл бұрын
@@RandomHistoric lmfao descendants of Nazis aren't racist to the locals? Yeah didn't yinz experiment on the local population like it was the Holocaust all over again?
@jamesgarner327
@jamesgarner327 11 ай бұрын
​@@omarbradley6807 That's the thing, you're supposed to brutalise your troops, war is an aweful business, but at the same time your have to make them love their officers, I a careful balance of toughness and kindness.
@N_0968
@N_0968 2 жыл бұрын
Those poor soldiers! I had no idea it was that difficult for them.
@BradSchmor
@BradSchmor 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel, Sir. A good reminder that we do not need to disparage the soldiers who served, even if they did so for unsavory regimes.
@Charliecomet82
@Charliecomet82 2 жыл бұрын
Does that include Blondie Astiz?
@BradSchmor
@BradSchmor 2 жыл бұрын
I meant in a general sense. Specific individuals can be evaluated on a case by case basis.
@tenminutes4876
@tenminutes4876 2 жыл бұрын
I just gotta say thanks for making these videos
@pierre18858
@pierre18858 2 жыл бұрын
Finally !!! Thank you mister :)
@nohisocitutampoc2789
@nohisocitutampoc2789 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode.
@colinseeney471
@colinseeney471 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a different perspective on the war that I remember being a British teenager at the time.
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
How can Argentine logistics have been that bad? Argentina had at least two weeks to prepare unhindered and were operating at least twice as close to the fighting area as were the British. “Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.” General John J Pershing
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
there were no roads in the islands outside Stanley, the population could barely use some rugged tracks in their Land Rovers, and took a whole day to get to some settlements, the helicopters were also insufficient to supply the forward lines to the west of Stanley
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 granted but even still, the British faced the same problems and only had one heavy lift chinook helicopter, the other three having being sunk on board the Atlantic Conveyor.
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hollows1997 sure, but the British were perfectly fine in their ships until May 21st when they landed, Argentine conscripts were fixed in their positions since April with no rotation
@Hollows1997
@Hollows1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 that is true, but that is further evidence to my original point. It would have been far easier for the Argentines to replace troops or reinforce than it would for Britain, the logistical failure of Argentine high command is a serious factor in the failure of the war.
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hollows1997 you forgot that the islands were blockaded by the RN, no way to reinforce since May 1st.
@jamesmurray_scot
@jamesmurray_scot Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you!
@marshallblanton3690
@marshallblanton3690 2 жыл бұрын
great video very interesting episode about a subject I knew little about
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 2 жыл бұрын
Learned something new, thanks!
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, had no idea that Argentinian military leadership was so cruel to its own soldiers. It's no wonder the war was a failure for Argentina.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
Debería investigar desde las dos ópticas y no quedarte con un solo relato. Deberías investigar que piensan sobre esto los veteranos de guerra Argentinos agrupados en los centros de ex combatientes , te vas a sorprender y darte cuenta de cuantas falsedades se dicen en este relato.
@andrewelie8687
@andrewelie8687 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reporting on this war so well. I remember the events of the time as a 17-year old in Toronto.
@ileaird
@ileaird 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that ending this morning!
@tox1cboi_524
@tox1cboi_524 Жыл бұрын
Argentina: *Takes the Falklands* UK ain’t going to retaliate. UK: *Retaliates* Argentina: *Surprised pikachu face*
@raphaelklaussen1951
@raphaelklaussen1951 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary.
@lackystricker1984
@lackystricker1984 2 жыл бұрын
Buen video, la junta militar fue la principal responsable de la muerte de tantos solo por mejorar su posicion interna en el pais. Algunos oficiales Argentinos fueron unos carniceros pero muchos otros fueron todo lo contrario incluso recordados con apreció por sus propios hombres. Una guerra innecesaria. Gracias a cold war por este video.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
Una vez en una charla con veteranos que tuve en la secundaria llegamos a la conclusión que si la guerra no hubiera pasado, y si hubiéramos hecho un referendum sobre la soberanía de las islas los kelpers hubieran votado a favor de la soberanía Argentina. Ellos dependían de la infraestructura continental para llevar a cabo sus vidas cotidianas, cómo previo a la guerra estaban abandonados por la corona, y como la guerra consiguió alienar a la población de las islas con el gobierno argentino y les dió la atención que la corona no lea daba.
@mitonaarea5856
@mitonaarea5856 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pa_blito Que piada jajaja. Achas que los britanicos irian trocar el reino unido por el disastre impobrecido que es la Argentina?? Lo que dices no hace sentido.
@domadordebutos
@domadordebutos Жыл бұрын
Reino Unido desde 1976, empezo a caldear las aguas con Argentina, con el Incidente ARA Storni - RRS “Shackleton, y en 1977 con la Operación Journeyman, que fue la primera task force envidada por inglaterra en contra de argentina. La promotora de la guerra de Malvinas fue USA con Reagan engañando a Galtieri, haciendolo recuperar las islas de una manera incruenta para después ir a la ONU y votar a favor de argentina. Cosa que claramente no hizo, en cambio termino beneficiando a Reino Unido, de esta manera le permito a la segunda flota naval de la OTAN no perder su capacidad de supercie como pretendian con los recortes de presupuestarios, y a su vez demostrar a los politicos britanicos la necesidad de poseer una flota de superficie en capacidad de actuar en cualquier punto del mundo para proteger sus intereses. La guerra a Reino Unido le permitio tener una fortaleza militar en el sur del atlantico, que les dio proyeccion aa la Antartida, y controlar el sur del atlantico. Asi que la guerra para Reino Unido no fue para nada innecesaria, sino todo lo contrario. Los unicos beneficiados fueron Reino Unido y USA al no tener que cubrir con su armada los buques que iban a dar de baja los britanicos.
@jankowal115
@jankowal115 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched since the channel's inception, but I made up for every movie back and today is the day I officially watched all of your episodes on that channel.
@Charliecomet82
@Charliecomet82 2 жыл бұрын
Saint Reagan didn't seem to mind the horrors when he was working to get the Argies' help in fighting the Sandinistas...
@draw4kicks
@draw4kicks 2 жыл бұрын
Reagan was a fucking monster that's why.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
Reagan fully supported the junta of 76', he was a fucking monster
@chedelirio6984
@chedelirio6984 2 жыл бұрын
And the Junta confused that with his being on "their" side on other things.
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
and Saint Maggie didn't mind when she sold Type 42 destroyers, Lynx helicopters, Canberra bombers and Blowpipe missiles to the Junta
@draw4kicks
@draw4kicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 Yeah Thatcher was a monster, nobody's saying that and even if you despise her like me you can still appreciate kicking fascists off British territory was the right thing to do. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
@vietphan3767
@vietphan3767 2 жыл бұрын
David: "an army is only as good as its supply lines" Putin: "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!!"
@saidtoshimaru1832
@saidtoshimaru1832 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for remembering our veterans and their suffering.
@kavbojctinko4131
@kavbojctinko4131 Жыл бұрын
As an 8-year-old boy, I remember these events. Even though we Yugoslav s were socialists and on the other side of the "Iron Curtain", we all supported the United Kingdom. We know that Argentina welcomed millions of Nazis and Fascists and gave them asylum after the Second World War
@mughug9616
@mughug9616 2 жыл бұрын
I understood the invasion of the Falklands was for different reasons. In 1982, Argentina’s ruling military junta was facing an economic crisis and country-wide public unrest over some 30,000 Argentines (considered enemies of the Junta) who the Junta “disappeared” from 1976 to 1982. General Leopoldo Galtieri's Junta was suffering criticism for its oppressive rule and economic management. They planned the Falklands invasion as a means of promoting patriotic feeling and propping up its regime. I remember the conflict well as I was in the UK and 22 at the time. This must be the first time I have heard about the Junta invading the Falklands because of Chile.
@kooperativekrohn819
@kooperativekrohn819 2 жыл бұрын
Britannia rules the waves 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 hearts out to the lost soldiers of the 1st 2nd and 3rd paras! Never has so much been owed to so little
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I was a teenager in the 1980s. I watched the Falklands War unfolding on television. Certainly gives a lot of food-for-thought. On another note, there is a 1984 BBC film ("Threads") which shows the potential for what could happen if the Cold War had become a full-scale World War 3. It would be very interesting to see a review of "Threads" on this channel.
@LogieT2K
@LogieT2K 2 жыл бұрын
Threads is a horrifying masterpiece
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo 2 жыл бұрын
@@LogieT2K Yes, very much so. A relatively unknown cast and a relatively low budget. Yet, with great writing, directing and acting, a truly horrifying view of a potential future is revealed. Threads become even more frightening when you consider events in Ukraine.
@LogieT2K
@LogieT2K 2 жыл бұрын
@@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo yeah definately
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 2 жыл бұрын
Threads is one of only a few films that lives in my nightmares, rent free. It is a great movie, but horrifying in nature.
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo
@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheColdWarTV - Yes, a truly horrifying movie. A potential result of the "Cold War" going "Hot". This is the reason why (if you are able to get the rights to do this) it would be very interesting (and scary) to see you do a review of Threads on this channel.
@timtyoutube87
@timtyoutube87 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best video's I saw about this war. The boys that where forced sometimes by torture, I understand why wanted to surrender as fast as possible. Why there was no large battle for the Capitol of Port Stanley.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
Deberías informarte y no quedarte con la versión británica de los hechos por los "demalvinizadores" de Argentina.
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 2 жыл бұрын
If the Argentine Junta had looked at the top four military officers in the UK at the time, all WW2 veterans: the Chief of the General Staff was a veteran of the Malta Convoys, the head of the Navy had been at the Battle of North Cape, the head of the Army was a veteran of the Normandy landings and the head of the RAF had been over Berlin 10 times in a Lancaster. Probably the last place on Earth to look for pushovers.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
Si embargo para tratar de recuperar su colonia (tomada por la fuerza en 1833) tuvieron que recurrir a alianzas con EEUU, la OTAN y valerse de un pais vecino a Argentina, que decía ser neutral y que estaba gobernado por un Dictador igual o peor que los argentinos.
@sureshot8399
@sureshot8399 Жыл бұрын
@@oscarbosio9881 The Islands were uninhabited when the British took control and the nation of Argentina did not even exist. You can't take anything by force if nobody owns it or is there to stop you.
@oscarbosio9881
@oscarbosio9881 Жыл бұрын
@@sureshot8399 Cuando los británicos las tomaron en 1833 las islas estaban habitadas, ya había una población permanente en Puerto Soledad y un Gobernador Argentino, que fueron desalojados y embarcados a Buenos Aires. . Por algo las tomaron por la fuerza, aprovechando la debilidad en la que se encontraba la población por un reciente ataque de una corbeta norteamericana a la que se le había confiscado una carga de pesca ilegal en Malvinas por las Autoridades Argentinas. Argentina ya era Independiente desde 1816 y Gran Bretaña reconoció su independencia en 1825 no haciendo ninguna salvedad sobre su integridad continental que incluía Malvinas adquiridas por el principio del utis possidetis .
@Leipaa
@Leipaa 2 жыл бұрын
Prince Andrew stressed so hard in the Falklands that now he can't even sweat, except during interviews.
@pebo8306
@pebo8306 2 жыл бұрын
🤣😂🤣---Excellent! LOL
@PedroBournigal-kk4ib
@PedroBournigal-kk4ib 2 жыл бұрын
HOLA COMO ESTAS ESPERO QUE BIEN EXITOS GRACIAS POR EL PROGRAMA EXCELENTE 😃👍
@alfilofilo
@alfilofilo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your short documentary. The vision and explanation of the conflict you develop here undoubtedly supports this small petition on April 2, 2023: Please include in it's title their real name which is "Islas Malvinas", calling them just "Falklands" isn't right.
@matiasd5216
@matiasd5216 3 ай бұрын
Hi David and Team. I’m a big fan of your cannel. I had to pull the strength together to watch this video. I don’t know why you talked so much about the torture inflicted to soldiers by their own superiors. Not complaining about it. You approached the subject fairly. The whole subject. I was 1 year old at the time. A few years ago, I knew about Geoffrey Cardozo and his incredible job. Forgetting for a minute the sovereignty claim by my country over the archipelago, I guess we should thank local authorities that allowed the cemetery in that place. It surprised me that you called the sinking of the ship as “infamous”. As far as I know, every British claims the legality of that action. Greetings from Córdoba, Argentina.
@jakobbrown3291
@jakobbrown3291 2 жыл бұрын
Big love and respect to people of all nationalities being respectful to one another: ultimately when it comes to the sensitivity of the topic, I wish people could stop seeing the territories as ‘theirs’ and just let the farmers, fishermen, school children, etc who live there just determine their own future.
@goranjosic
@goranjosic 2 жыл бұрын
Farmers have decided that they want to be part of the United Kingdom, the last time in a referendum in 2013, 99.8% voted that they want to be part of the UK. The island has never been part of Argentina, only British people live on the island, before them, only penguins lived on the island: D
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
@@goranjosic colonial settlers cannot decide over sovereignty, the UN and Decolonization Committee are the only organizations that can allow for a referendum, and have always gave that right to native populations, expressly excluding the colonists. the farce of 2013 wasn't recognized by the UN or any country except for the UK and Canada. after the British departure of 1774, there were 32 Spanish and 5 Argentine governors in the Falklands, without any British protest or challenge. the British invasion of 1833 displaced the Argentine garrison and civilian settlers that were living there since 1826.
@jakobbrown3291
@jakobbrown3291 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 with all due respect, what is Argentina, if not a settler colony?
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakobbrown3291 it's a free country that gained it's independence against the Spanish and integrated natives, creole and new immigrants in peace. A country that before 1982 didn't fought any war since 1870. A country that wasn't forged on pillage, slavery and drug dealing like some others.
@goranjosic
@goranjosic 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 considering that the Falklands are 1500km from Argentina, I don't know where you got the idea to belong to them! :D And who do you think would have won the referendum if it had been organized by the UN itself - considering that the population is purely British!? O_o Since there was no native population, they belong to the one who kept them until modern times, ie the British. This looks like delusional myth of the Argentine people - myth that is not achievable - I think it is better to direct the energy to other things!
@Mrnewkrakbo
@Mrnewkrakbo 2 жыл бұрын
I think if you are an officer in a military of this kind, it does not matter whether you are the one torturing your soldiers, you play the part of the good cop in this relation, just so later the institution can say " not all of them were so bad"
@adamscease4126
@adamscease4126 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you are an Argentinian penguin you don’t have any more of a claim to the Falkland Islands than the British do. Spain was also a colonial power. 99 or 98 percent of the people who live on the island want to remain part of the UK Gary was the only one who didn’t
@terrenceescarda8951
@terrenceescarda8951 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any documentaries about the former South Vietnam and the misconceptions about their military?
@EnzoFerrari63193
@EnzoFerrari63193 2 жыл бұрын
When general Galtieri took control of the 'junta militar' after Videla and Viola's "administration", the Argentine's economy was a mess (as usual) and Argentina needed to vanquish people's consensus, as it was going down and throwing all people down from planes into the ocean was impossible. It seemed that Argentina wanted to start a war against Chile, but in the end the mutual fascist brotherhood changed Argentina's mind. And the Falkland war started..
@agustindelpino6898
@agustindelpino6898 2 жыл бұрын
En mi vida pensé que este canal tocaría este tema. Estoy flasheando mal.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
¿Por qué tanto flash? la guerra de Malvinas fue muy importante para la política de la guerra fria
@agustindelpino6898
@agustindelpino6898 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pa_blito No sé que evidencia tendrás para respaldar tu argumento. No obstante, es bastante disonante que un canal orientado a un público no latinoamericano ni mucho menos Argentino, hablé en conmemoración. Eso es lo flashero, porque no pretende ser un resumen de "guerra de Malvinas en 5 minutos" o un despliegue de la Argentinidad. Sino una sobria y justa conmemoración.
@Pa_blito
@Pa_blito 2 жыл бұрын
@@agustindelpino6898 la guerra fue vital para asegurar el gobierno de Thatcher en Inglaterra, gobierno que formaba parte de la OTAN y no hace falta argumentar por qué eso es importante. No tiene nada de disonante de que cubran la guerra de Malvinas porque la guerra fría fue un conflicto global entre los poderes hegemónicos de la época y la guerra en el Atlántico Sur implica a uno de estos poderes hegemónicos, es como decir que es disonante que cubran la guerra de descolonización en indochina o la guerra del los arbustos en Rhodesia porque no es un canal con foco africano/asiatico
@FranzBieberkopf
@FranzBieberkopf Жыл бұрын
"Fighting the British Empire"???? That had long gone by 1982. Your series is otherwise top-notch, surprised you made such a statement.
@adameckard4591
@adameckard4591 2 жыл бұрын
The most famous war in the cold War? What about the Rhodesian Bush Wars?
@sureshot8399
@sureshot8399 Жыл бұрын
The Rhodesian Bush wars are hardly that famous when compared the Falklands war, or even the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and nowhere near as famous as the Vietnam War. Few people these days even remember Rhodesia and fewer still the bush wars, Sealous Scouts or any of that.
@Mooocheropordis
@Mooocheropordis 2 жыл бұрын
The young Argentine conscripts had no chance, stuck between a corrupt terrorist regime and a highly professionally trained and motivated British Task Force. The war came at the perfect time for the UK, giving a chance to put a full stop on the drawback from Empire and economic decline, with a limited war against a second rate power away from any chance of cold war escalation. The United States thankfully ,remembered what side their bread was buttered and provided assistance. to the UK. The acts of the Junter regime on their own people was not a fate any civilised nation could let befall the inhabitants of the Islands, and sadly the young troops of Britain and Argentina carry the scars to this day. Ironically, Argentina was historically anglophile and closley tied to the Empire with trade. In trhe future I pray the Islands can be a place of beauty, peace and repect for both socieities.
@Justin-rv7oy
@Justin-rv7oy 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video, I like when you guys diversify a bit, we can wait a bit for another Cold War European stay behind insurgency program.
@bigcolappleton
@bigcolappleton 2 жыл бұрын
Argentina didn’t fight the British empire, just Britain
@daniel.stasinski
@daniel.stasinski 2 жыл бұрын
A great episode but, oddly enough, it did not go into as much detail about to the politics as one would expect from this channel
@jonmcay9659
@jonmcay9659 Жыл бұрын
They had plenty of time to rectify the situation once they knew the British we're on the way ,they could have sent more experienced troops to bolster the defence of the Falklands,but at the end of the day ,the British would have prevailed ,don't underestimate the British .
@lukemcgahern2357
@lukemcgahern2357 Жыл бұрын
They could not send the more experienced troops because what the video does not tell you is Argentina professional army was all on the Chilean border and would of invaded chile right after they won the Falklands war. They know chile would strike first if they did not defend the border.
@ghjgbnhjjghjthknvf6379
@ghjgbnhjjghjthknvf6379 2 жыл бұрын
Well sounds like we did the right thing fighting this war. Couldn't have left the islanders to face the Argentinian Military sounds like they were monsters to their own men.
@sureshot8399
@sureshot8399 Жыл бұрын
I expect many of the Falkland Islanders would have "disappeared", much like the unfortunate Argentines in that era.
@belegthoron8603
@belegthoron8603 2 жыл бұрын
Chile was the one threatened by Argentina, not the other way around. Chile was in no position for war during the almost-war-crisis during 1978.
@FozzQuaker
@FozzQuaker Жыл бұрын
What's actually interesting, our Government was entertaining the idea of giving Argentina sovereignty over the Islands...Thatchers Government sent Rex Hunt as Governor and to sound the locals out about giving Argentina Sovereignty.... The locals hated the idea and the Government wee unhappy with Hunt as he hadn't delivered what was expected... Then we know what happened next, in the late 70's or early 80's, Argentina never saw just how close they came to getting the Islands
@nicholascortez728
@nicholascortez728 2 жыл бұрын
Galtieri took the Union Jack...and Maggie over lunch one day, took a cruiser; with all hands. Apparently to make him give it back
@MrBao-yt7bk
@MrBao-yt7bk 2 жыл бұрын
It didnt go down with all hands though right, you've just heard a bunch of statements from survivors in this very video.
@lpcanilla92
@lpcanilla92 2 жыл бұрын
Honor to our fallen, and to the enemy's too. After the war, the Junta didn't even recognize the soldiers' efforts, of those who fought bravely against a vastly superior enemy in a frozen, God-forsaken land. A stupid war. As Borges said, Malvinas/Falklands war was "two bald men fighting over a comb".
@sirborkington1052
@sirborkington1052 Жыл бұрын
Great perspective, I knew they were conscripts but not the extent they were treated by their own side.
@alejandrocastro3662
@alejandrocastro3662 2 жыл бұрын
Falkand islands 🇫🇰🇬🇧
@pablonero7111
@pablonero7111 2 жыл бұрын
British armour expert Andrew Hills from the Online Tank Museum has examined the evidence presented by Ricky D Phillips in his book The First Casualty and has concluded that no Argy Amtrak was destroyed on 2 April 1982 although one was peppered by GPMG fire and another one lost a track due to a near-miss from a rocket fired by Mark Gibbs and George Brown from NP8901.
@mrmr446
@mrmr446 2 жыл бұрын
I hadn't really thought of this as a 'Cold War' conflict but the Junta would not have gained power and stayed there were it not for US support for repression of anyone deemed 'subversive,' which of course covered anything remotely left-wing. Also guaranteed that Thatcher remained in power.
@user-cx1ki8li4t
@user-cx1ki8li4t 2 жыл бұрын
After that, Argentina sold a lot of food to the hungry Soviet Union, but this can't save Soviet Union.
@donnyboon2896
@donnyboon2896 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Pikaling3408
@Pikaling3408 2 жыл бұрын
Gotcha
@OFFICIALDJFLASHBACK
@OFFICIALDJFLASHBACK 5 ай бұрын
It really puts it into perspective when you see the impact of war on both sides. It's not so black and white. I really hope that Britain and Argentina can settle their dispute of the Falklands / Malvinas so that all those soldiers didn't die in vain on both sides.
@TomFynn
@TomFynn 3 ай бұрын
They didn't. At least from the British side. They liberated the islanders from an oppressive regime the islanders did not want. That is a worthy cause to give your life for.
@vivaseineldin
@vivaseineldin 2 жыл бұрын
The Argy officers that fought in the war insist it was Field Punishment, not torture that was meted out to unruly conscripts going absent without leave to steal from the food depots and local civilian houses and slackers for falling asleep while on sentry duty or not properly maintaining their rifles, etc. On 8 June four conscripts (Alejandro Vargas, Pedro Vojkovic, Manuel Alberto Zelarayán and Carlos Alberto Hornos) from A Company/7th Regiment were killed when returning from ransacking the Molkenbuhr's residence at Murrell Farm when their wooden boat overladen with stolen goods hit an anti-tank mine. Their is also the case of Private Silvio Katz from the 3rd Regiment going sheep hunting in the middle of minefields for which he copped much punishment or Private Mario Oscar Nuñez from the 12th Regiment who was given a severe beating from fellow conscripts and his platoon commander for giving away their positions to the SAS with rifle fire while hunting sheep without permission north of Darwin Parks. Privates Ernesto Alonso and Edgardo Esteban are considered deserters in Argentina with Alonso spending the night of battle on Mt Longdon in the psychiatric ward of Stanley Hospital while his mates from B Company/7th Regiment were killed or wounded fighting 3 PARA on Longdon. Truth is many of these slackers would have been shot or hanged in the Russian and German armies in WW2.
@greenshirtiv4n211
@greenshirtiv4n211 2 жыл бұрын
No islands?🥺
@stephenphillips4609
@stephenphillips4609 2 жыл бұрын
No islands
@miliba
@miliba 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend the movie Blessed by Fire/Iluminados por el Fuego (2005)
@tonylove4800
@tonylove4800 6 ай бұрын
I was only 21 but my first thought was "Galtieri doesn't own a history book".
@victorcabanelas
@victorcabanelas 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Argentina (born in late '82), so thank you for covering this. The only thing that bothers me about this video's that, as far as I know, this was meant to be an invasion (and then retreat), not a war. But when Galtieri found himself with people cheering for this, he went on (I mean, there are other things, but they don't bother me that much). Don't get me wrong: war is ALWAYS wrong. As I always say, people living in the Islands are our neighbors, let's make things easier between us (and yeah, someone's gonna reply to this saying I'm a vendepatria or something like that). I truly love the last line you guys've been putting on these later videos. We all live here, let's try to get along. That said, I do believe that the Islands should be part of Argentina, but the people there are the ones that should make that decision (and they did a few years ago). And also, to keep things right: the Junta did waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many things wrong, so: NUNCA MAS
@methanoid
@methanoid 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. Good people died on both sides. The islanders have decided (for now).
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
colonial settlers cannot decide over sovereignty, the UN and Decolonization Committee are the only organizations that can allow for a referendum, and have always gave that right to native populations, expressly excluding the colonists. the farce of 2013 wasn't recognized by the UN or any country except for the UK and Canada.
@downunderrob
@downunderrob 2 жыл бұрын
The Falklands are British and will remain so. So long as the Kelpers wish to remain part of the Commonwealth. And not to put too fine a point on it, Argentina has NOTHING to offer the Citizens of the Falklands. Except Economic chaos, Political repression and Sexual violence.
@victorcabanelas
@victorcabanelas 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 What I meant's that the people should decide. THEY live there.
@danielbromwich1827
@danielbromwich1827 2 жыл бұрын
Based on the history of the islands, i don't see what argentina thinks they have any claim to the islands at all, let alone the strongest claim. the first people to land on the island were british, the british had a settlement on the island before the spanish. the spanish claim to the islands was weak, and after 1811 spain had no actions on the island at all. modern argentina has only existed since 1861 and neither it or any of it's predecessor states even had defacto control over the islands. The only population on the island is also british and has made it clear that it doesn't want to be part of argentina. yet argentina still aggressively insists it has a claim.
@patgeorge1
@patgeorge1 8 ай бұрын
Argentina had plenty of time to reinforce the island once the UK task force sailed. As for calling the sinking of the Belgrano as "infamous" , whether Argentina liked it or not they had started a war and bad things happen in war. all the Argentinean wounded that were treated by the British military medical services were treated the same as British wounded, and all survived.
@gj2532
@gj2532 2 жыл бұрын
everyone remembers Belgrono but also remember we lost ships as well
@loszhor
@loszhor 2 жыл бұрын
Not surprised that their bully officers ran with their tails between their legs when people who could fight back were onto them.
@zombiepiccolo2251
@zombiepiccolo2251 2 жыл бұрын
It's good to see the conscripts getting thier representation here but very bias and anti-British, the British didn't reconquer they liberated the islanders, and continue to protect thier right to self determination
@julianshepherd2038
@julianshepherd2038 2 жыл бұрын
Are you aware the Brits conquered the Falklands in the 19th century. The Spanish flag came down and all the Spanish were replace by Brits. So it was reconquered. It was also then conquered by Argentina and reconquered. Conquered means to take control by military force. Still, you do well for a stirring Russia.
@philstothard8333
@philstothard8333 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianshepherd2038 Just to be clear , the Spanish flag never flew over the Falkland Islands , and only the illegally installed Argentinian Governor and his immediate staff were told to leave . Anyone who wanted to stay and was free to do so and their desendants still live on the islands .
@GuidoDalonzo
@GuidoDalonzo 2 жыл бұрын
@@philstothard8333 No, they kick out every habitant that live there and replace them, there is even a rebel hero from that invasion check el Gaucho Rivero
@triadwarfare
@triadwarfare 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianshepherd2038 Nobody in the Falklands wanted to be ruled under the Argentinian Junta
@noobplays-saslow2920
@noobplays-saslow2920 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianshepherd2038 There was no permanent population on the Falkland islands before the British.
@raul-km6mq
@raul-km6mq 2 жыл бұрын
viva chile
@lima153330
@lima153330 2 жыл бұрын
do more stuff on Argentina!!!!!
@Mrbrbusby
@Mrbrbusby 2 жыл бұрын
In the US in 1982 amongst the three letter agency elites there was enormous pressures on Reagan to help the Argentines. Argentines by virtue of their inglorious Rat Line, the Peronists in the 1940’s who funded the Marshall Plan, and now La Processa opposing our arch nemesis Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas, (who produced the Clash), were not only our best friends but also the best ally we had for our special army to protect world capitalism: the CIA. However our generation was told if we kept our mouths shut and didn’t interfere with the Empire we’d get great UK punk protest music out of it (Paul Weller told us “to bow down forth and face our fate”) and hot Argentine girlfriends in the DC expat community. The latter proved to be the best incentive to stay on Maggie’s Farm. Many boys growing in the Maryland DC high schools in the early 1980’s suddenly had new fashionable girlfriends, - miles and miles away culturally intellectually and socially from Baltimore - who were fleeing from their once happy homes in the gated palazzos and gardens of Buenos Aires. Funny how such a massive big story of my generation has all but faded from memory. #TheSPECIALS 🇬🇧
@michaelsinger4638
@michaelsinger4638 2 жыл бұрын
Such a tragedy.
@GarkKahn
@GarkKahn 2 жыл бұрын
6:11 My grandpa was there during one of those moments, his poor partner just stole jelly from the officer's tent because while the soldiers starved that asshole got picky with the flavor of his jelly during breakfast!
@1joshjosh1
@1joshjosh1 2 жыл бұрын
I have an Israeli Army jacket from about 1982. Recently I watched a documentary on this war in the Falklands. I quickly realized my Israeli jacket is identical to the one the Argentine troops are wearing everywhere. Does anybody know the link between the two?? *edit... I have spent time staring at photographs and it is definitely the same jacket.
@master-gg3zn
@master-gg3zn 2 жыл бұрын
my uncle was a welsh guardsman during the falklands war, was a sgt major, had a very low opinion of the Argentinians
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
no wonder, maybe he was in the Sir Gallahad incident?
@master-gg3zn
@master-gg3zn 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindione386 honestly not sure, I never asked, not sure I wanna ask. I complained about the British gear rotting in the wet conditions
@martindione386
@martindione386 2 жыл бұрын
@@master-gg3zn I've heard that too, they started to use captured Argentine boots
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 2 жыл бұрын
I do love a good comment war. But let us not forget to let the dead find peace and that we don't ever find ourselves at war.
@dudumuricy9948
@dudumuricy9948 2 жыл бұрын
Talk about the Brazilian x French lobster war that happened a few Yeats prior the Brazilian dictatorship in the 60s
@gj2532
@gj2532 Жыл бұрын
So we sunk belgrano what about argentinas attacks on ours ???
@truthhurts9241
@truthhurts9241 Жыл бұрын
When your enemy captors show you more care and consideration than your own leaders, that's when you realise how wrong your society has become. So sad.
@bettyschnauber8238
@bettyschnauber8238 2 жыл бұрын
I had no clue.
@LogieT2K
@LogieT2K 2 жыл бұрын
Such a hairbrained plan on Galtierri’s part They never stood a chance
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