Die-Cast vs. Stock - Hear the Difference?

[@ZACohea]

I like this new comparison series and hope that it takes off.

[@danh7088]

2nd that

[@hamjam4]

Agree

[@tkvids1377]

Heck yea, I would love to see this grow!

[@strumbum946]

Die cast hoop on top, triple flange on bottom. That’s my set-up. Die cast is better for controlling overtones and doing more solid rim shots.

[@Mysinispurged]

I came to say the same thing!

[@APdrums77]

Very agree

[@tristanmouw9077]

Worked for Stewart Copeland!

[@gojira99]

I do this to all of my metal snare drums to increase attack and reduce ring. :)

[@Spagz]

I was correct. 😊 Triple flanged a little more open sounding and ringy.

[@francismcgovern5042]

OMG....so easy to hear...never heard them back to back...great demonstration....I think I'm going with die cast for my snare!!

[@oscwildle1]

You’re playing is so consistent, it makes it hard to hear a big difference. It’s sounds like the die cast filter out some top end. Great work!

[@AlexandreBraucks]

Love the kick drum sound, brother!

[@ChrisLaCount]

Hell yeah, got it right! Love me some die cast hoops.

[@embracehorizons]

1:15 the perfectly timed brother, brother!😂😂😂

[@tkvids1377]

Before I even really watched the video my first thought was "im not sure i can tell the sound difference but the feel I could tell"

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

A difference that would 100% be lost in the mix.

[@NEdrumsUK]

l like that you put out content daily and good quality too. keep it up always a good watch

[@Drumsholic]

The difference is light but is present, diecast have more focused sound with elimination of overtones than the triple flange hoops.Also you can set the diecast hoops only at the top and to bottom keep the triple flange, the effort to sound comes from the top head at 85% and at 15% from bottom.

[@paulrevelli]

This might sound weird to most people, but the difference I notice between die cast hoops and triple flanged hoops has to do more with the way the stick feels in my hand when I rimshot. The triple flanged hoop seems a little more "at one" with the snare drum by comparison. With the die cast I always feel like the hoop is getting the brunt of my energy and it's not transmitting to the snare drum somehow. But from a sonic standpoint, I can hardly hear a difference based on what you've presented us with. They both sound great to me. So I guess for me a triple flanged hoop just feels better when I strike it.

[@andrewjacobs5579]

Wow, 30 years & I finally hear the difference...and That's why I have the sound I'm going for but can't get it to how I want. Its not my mixing skills its the hoops. F-n cheers dude thank you \m/

[@Bronsonau]

Every time I have a random thought about drums you post a video covering it and I’m here for it

[@markhuizinga4993]

Gr8 video. I found that changing over to Diecast hoops and Pearl C type 42 strand wires was the best sound on all my Ludwig snare drums. I recently got a Mapex Armory snare 14x5.5 steel shell and I will do the same process and see how it sounds.

[@rix29]

Got it right on the die cast’s. Not too much in it, but the die casts sounded slightly more focused and compressed.

[@gregwonhoff7161]

I just love comparison videos. Thanks for sharing. I’m sorry, but even with earbuds I can’t tell the difference. I still love these comparisons.❤️🙏❤️🙏

[@tommyzcat]

Triple flange has more ring - not just initially but there is almost a 2nd "slapback" ring a few ms after main transient that the die-cast seems to supress.

[@Lumerdrums]

I always wanted to "upgrade" my black beauty with die cast hoops, maybe just on top. but here it sounds to me, that the snare response is a lot more sensitive with the stock hoops on and I don't want to lose any of my snare response. I also thought that the rimshots with die cast hoops would be much more punchy but I didn't hear that either. I think I'm gonna stick with my triple flanged hoops :) thanks for the video!

[@tmaddrummer]

I was correct at the beginning but changed at the end. Brother, I’m with you as you described the difference in both. They both sound great but they have their place depending on the tunes. This play along for me sounds better with the die cast hoops. You ever tried the Yamaha wood hoops that they stopped making years ago. They are fantastic if you can ever find one. Peace and Blessings Brother!

[@steverichdrummr]

I AM SHOCKED, not of the sound difference, but of the coincidence. 1) I own this exact same snare drum, but natural birch. 2) Four days ago I was browsing drum shops and found 2 used Pearl die cast 10 lug hoops.( IDK what they are made of, but magnet doesn't stick). 3) I just tested my drum, and I am just about at the exact tuning as yours. 4) Of course, I have just done this exact test 3 days ago.That's a lot of coincidences to me. The reason I put them on was because although my drum sounded great, it had a weak cross stick sound. I thought it might help that, which it did. Also I just love the strength and esthetic of die cast. Soundwise, there is very little difference, and I couldn't tell which was which except on the single rim shots where I knew right away. Not fair though, I mean I just did this. I think that your comparison would have had easily noticeable results if both tunings were equal, but lower. That's where I noticed a huge difference, on my way up to it's current tuning. Great video though, thanks!

[@ronaldzeoli7528]

Both sound close but when playing a grove the reg hoops ring out a little more and i like it

[@jumpinjojo]

Like an orange grove?

[@krusher74]

Well i got it wrong, di-cast usually compress and cut down on ring, but here A seems to have the longer sustain and ring with the stamped hoops

[@aakkoin]

A maniac serial killer went to a movie set and yelled: DIE CAST!!

[@RedToxy-rc7ev]

Thank you, *brother* ! Now I see I don't need spend half of price of my snare drum to that upgrade. But I just like how die-cast hoops looks.

[@RichmondDrumLessonsBC]

For me its the feel and absorption for rim shots and side sticks

[@GhostInMeWV]

Man, that Pearl kit is beautiful, Blue and Gold!

[@hellion605]

there’s some difference, especially on the last tune it’s quite obvious, but… just when they’re compared end to end, just then. another thing is how the microphone perceives/captures the sound, it’s definitely not the same as the real perception which includes not just the sound, but the feeling too

[@danielreily2701]

Well I once changed cheap metal hoops on a bass drum for wooden hoops. Incredible difference. My point is the hoops really make a difference.

[@BartoszStaszewski_OnPaper]

Die cast hoops sound a little bit compressed and the regular ones are more open and make the snare ringy. Fun video

[@scottyoung_Jeed88]

Its so subtle, but there is just a tiny bit more ring from the die cast on a rim shot, standards just a ball hair more dead? its hard to tell though haha

[@thecowboydrummer]

It’s so hard to tell!! Haha dang

[@ryandenney4903]

​@@thecowboydrummeryo Joe play that damn pearl kit l😂

[@Thesmokymountainman]

I guessed it correctly. I prefer the die cast on this drum. I have a Ludwig Acrolite with a die cast on the bottom only. Tried it with both triple flanged but went back to the die cast on bottom. Works well in my opinion with the Acrolite.

[@jaybell857]

The diecast hoops are a little bit more articulate and perhaps a little bit dryer but they both sound great

[@a.j.wilkes6352]

I got it correct, but much closer than I would have thought. Are those stock hoops 2.3mm?

[@XeRo333]

Really like the look and sound of Diecast hoops! It dries up the head a bit giving it a more focused sound, at least I think so. Just wish I could get some in a flat black instead of chrome to go with my custom SJC black satin stain snare with flat black hardware. Also, got it right! It was A🤘🏼

[@Meteotrance]

To be honnest changing the tension , the type and brand of the skin and also the snare wire have more impact on the sound than the hoop itself, same for the material of the shell copper, aluminium or wood sound different...

[@nathanielking7481]

Hey Brother!! When using the tunebot, did you match the fundamental pitch (striking drum in the center) or did you match the lug pitches? I’ve found that different rims at the same lug pitch have vastly different fundamental pitches which I think your demonstration demonstrated perfectly. The die cast hoops sound higher in pitch. Or if my ear deceives me, at the very least die cast is definitely brighter!

[@UtwoBed]

Bro, you need new stable hit-hat stand. Stamped hoops are more open sounding which is only natural because the cast hoops are heavier and resonate less providing more definition.

[@ldcsam1]

Hey, Brother, give S-Hoops a try. They are the best of both worlds. I love your playing, Brother. You have a KILLER GROOVE!!!

[@cymbalslasher]

Any relation to CC Drums on this video? The voice sounds the same as well as the methods.

[@MarinedrummerSGT]

Die cast has sharp distinct sound, regular hoops are dull and flat...end of story

[@BobSchoepenjr]

What a work! Thx

[@MikeBixby]

I guessed it right but ....damn little difference on that drum. What your fundamental note with heads that tight?

[@SteveAppel-r2o]

My to toot my own horn but I got it correct on your opening. However you are a much better drummer than me. The only reason I could tell the difference (although it was on an iPad with NO headphones) is because back in the day I was a session drummer in LA /Hollywood and a music producer as well. THE ONLY thing in’felt"mis that the die cast sounded just a little more professional sounding. However with a few tweaks at the mixing board I suspect they can sound identical. What I appreciate from your commentors is some said the "feel" of the die cast was better. I need all the help I can get since I’ve laid off drumming for 20nyears :-)

[@clayfoster8234]

JMO: the die cast has a markedly better, beefier cross stick. As for the rest i do hear a difference but it’s very subtle. So subtle that if the drum didnt come with diecasts I’m not spending 80$ to upgrade it.

[@cymbalslasher]

Yes the die cast is just a bit drier. Still sounds great though. I've got a die cast bottom with a triple flange top.

[@Freogeteknet]

I have a snare that got diecast and my feeling is that it's more rim shot esc even when hitting it normally. Verry good for blast beats :)

[@Freogeteknet]

And this test kinda confirmed it. More controlled overtones, poppy attack, more focused compressed. But less open

[@oscaraguirre6775]

Takeaway: stage customs are at the apex of quality/value

[@andyp90210]

Couz, what brand die cast hoops are you using? They don’t look like Yamaha.

[@christiansmyth1466]

Man, the stock hoops really DO sing (sustain) more. The DC hoops dry up the sound a bit. This is clear to me on all they comparisons except on the open roll...but i noticed on the DC roll it looked like you were playing closer to the edge, so it sounded more resonant 🙂

[@GhostInMeWV]

From now on, the tuning on the snare is 420. Got it! Brothers and Sisters Count: 21

[@ckdrums3408]

Bob Gatzen made a Video for Evans Drumheads over 15 years ago, where you can hear the difference beautiful. You can still find it on KZbin. Die Cast makes a snare more "pingy" and "thinner" in my opinion. It takes away alot of the lower overtones and excites the higher ones more. Played with Die Cast for years since it was the "metal" thing to do, but when I switched back to regular hoops I noticed straight away that I prefer the fatter sound and smoother feel under the stick. Fun fact: Though I don't like the sound and feel of Die Cast on snares, I really love it for toms. It makes them really percussive and responsive, like a timbale. P.S.: I recommend doing these A/B comparisons not with an EAD10. I swear this thing makes all drums sound the same.

[@martincorneli5392]

The EAD10 does not make all drums sound the same. The thing is, you're just accustomed to all social media drummers using the exact same settings. Cowboy doesn’t use any compression at all, so the EAD is simply a pretty good mic-nothing more, nothing less.

[@ckdrums3408]

@@martincorneli5392 That's true. Still I think the EAD10 is more of a very convenient tool for social media drummers than a mic for quality recordings that translate comparions well to an audience. Even in a "neutral" setting, the sound is way to pre-EQd. There's a reason why the Bob Gatzen Video is still arguably the best comparison after 15 years. They captured how a drum sounds in a room perfectly. Don't get me wrong. I don't dislike the EAD10 and I think the Video is great. Just constructive criticism, cause I don't think the EAD10 is the right choice for that kind of stuff.

[@ForeverDownByLaw]

I prefer triple flanged, both in sound and feel. I have a Sonor Delite snare with die cast that I'm considering switching to triple flanged for a more open sound. And yes, I guessed correctly.

[@Frroggg]

I’m not gonna lie, I never really took in the sound difference between die cast and triple flanged. Always thought it was more of a premium feel or aesthetic choice. Die cast definitely takes the bite off the overtones, triple flanged sounds more open and ringy. Both great depending on what sound you’re trying to get!

[@JazzyJonas]

This makes me wonder why you almost never see die-cast top and flanged bottom hoops or vice versa on any drums. Seems like a neat way to fine tune the sound.

[@kyronnewbury]

Stewart Copeland Custom Snare Die-cast top hoop and triple flanged bottom. Control of the ring up top but more snare sensitivity on bottom. It's great

[@JazzyJonas]

@@kyronnewbury That makes a lot of sense for a snare 👍

[@stephentyler4352]

Die cast has more sustain and is more focused. The standard hoop to my ears makes each snare hit sound wider and more squished, whereas the die cast sounds taller and fatter if that makes sense. I prefer the die cast hoops for most recording situations. However for the drummers that just play occasional gigs here and there, the die cast hoops are not needed. It depends on how invested each drummer is into playing. Less so on how it sounds. It’s more important to spend time and energy on improving time, feel, dynamics, facility and stick control.

[@jocke1972]

Less ringning with the die cast, more focused

[@af7119]

That ride cymbal is killer.

[@daviswhite]

What is it? Yes, agree.

[@af7119]

@@daviswhite Looks to be a Paiste PST7 20" Light Ride, but I could be wrong. If that's what it is, I'm going to buy one immediately. They are value priced.

[@patrickellis3205]

It seemed to me the big difference was hitting the rim, the die cast rim sounded better to my ear, or I preferred the more solid sound. Otherwise no really a big difference 😊

[@MechaAkuma]

Die-cast hoops are expensive, specially metal ones that are made out of more exclusive materials such as copper or bronze. They can go as much as $100 per hoop. Unless you're doing some serious pro recording with mics for thousands of dollars there is ZERO need in investing Die-cast hoops

[@johnbmx4christ]

Told my drums i was changing their hoops and they got triggered.

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

I get cheaper Amazon diecasts, and they're a crap shoot in quality, but so far they've been okay. Better rimshots, sidesticks, more consistent tuning, and a bit more tension, which is perfect more me, because I like my snares cranked.

[@basiliobetancourt8584]

Die cast 4 life brother

[@sl3102]

Die cast sounds more focused and punchy.

[@fl00d69]

I prefer the die cast. Sounds tighter and less ringy. Can't stand snares that ring too much. See: Lars.

[@walterharley6049]

Die Cast much more Compressed. Little to no ringing at all. That demo song with Die Cast blends well togther.🎶

[@bradmuehlenbein]

B had a lower resonant tone

[@queenpurple8433]

Glad A was die cast cause sounds better

[@francismcgovern5042]

same note, but much more focus of the tone with the die cast.. less overtones, more definition

[@vladimirtkachev9058]

Однозначно - выбираю литой. Но это на мой вкус.

[@RaelThomas]

A is flanged, surely.

[@TTP719]

The difference is so minute why bother when its going to be lost in the mix.

[@jjaammoo7777]

No real audible difference. In my experience, the die cast feel solid and produce slight less overtones. Die cast won't bend as much when you accidentally drop the drum.

[@GaryGDrums]

I was correct brotherrr

[@andreasjonsson8075]

No. But I can sure feel a difference when playing

[@DirtySk8RatStaney]

I hear less ring with die cast….

[@aurasalmu7612]

B has less sustain.

[@ChristopherRoss.]

Triple flange always sound like a basketball to me. I really dislike overtones.

[@carlosleiva2825]

A sounds better to me

[@awmaace3397]

... Little to no difference...

[@davidthaot]

nope no difference