Matt Walsh Ends The Pro-Abortion Argument Once And For All

Matt Walsh OBLITERATES every facet of the pro-abortion argument on his YAF Speaking Tour (CSULA)

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[@mariebrown5681]

What's with your violent hatred of us Boomers? Could it be your Boomer grandfather molested you, Matt? OK, whiny millennial. Have a nice life. Ok, whiny millennial.

[@bwp714]

Your a racist piece of garbage.. You will burn in hell 1 day buddy.. Good luck with that.. You should go back to school lol

[@michaelpalmieri7335]

@@bwp714 What do you mean "racist"? I didn't see anything racist on this thread.

[@Boaz833]

Abortion is about equality between men and women. A man and a woman engage in the same act however only the woman has to spend the next 9 months having her body ripped apart. Where is the equality in that? The only way I will become anti choice is if we pass a law that says if a man impregnates a woman he has to spend the next 9 months in a jail cell preferably with a rapist. Because in order to maintain equality a man has to have his body ripped apart like a woman after having sex. Abortion is about giving woman a choice to not go through 9 months of suffering just like a man does not have to go through it. Abortion is horrible yes, but in our male dominated, "boys will be boys" world that we live in, it is a necessary evil.

[@Rohit_Sevalkar]

I would like to mention something related to the last part discussed in this video. The thing about personhood. I feel that the argument that a baby is not an independent person should be considered valid and sufficient for settling the pro-abortion cause. I accept that a foetus is a living thing. Rather i accept it as a member of the human species and being alive. Now to support my argument for abortion, i feel that a foetus in no way or form contributes to the society, and humans living in that society. Rather it acts like a parasite just feeding off of the society(through the uterus in which it is living, as his mother is consuming the resources from the society.). One might say that some old people or people with disabilities might also require assistance, but these people are actually worthy of assistance as they have already interacted with the society or have contributed to it in some sort of way, and even if they are not contributing at that particular moment, they have gathered resources like money or friends, and they use such resources to defend themselves or to tackle their problems. In the case of a foetus, the mother is forced to supply resources to it (without getting anything in exchange), whereas in the case of aged and disabled people nobody has an obligation to take care of them. Let's say if they don't have enough money, the maid might stop working for them, or if they don't have any friends they might have to do all of their work on their own. If they don't have money to pay for the hospital bills, the hospital has a right to stop caring for them. Essentially, if someone is being cared for there is some sort of exchange of resources in this case. Even a newborn baby creates some sort of exchange in the real world that a foetus in the womb cannot. So caring for a newborn baby, at least has some sort of logic, but asking someone to care for a foetus against their will sounds absurd, as the person caring for it literally has nothing to gain.(I am not talking about the people who willingly want to have the baby and definitely see the current womb investment of nine months to be paid off in the form of love, affection, and even monetary support few years down the line.)

[@PLA5207]

60 million is mind blowing and a mountain of evil.

[@armanromana1580]

yet they want to ban guns. 1.4 million gun deaths since 1968 versus 60 million abortions since 1973

[@Ivan.A.Churlyuski]

54 million a year globally. New York Times says estimates of war dead in human history combined range from 150 million to 1 billion dead. That’s 2.5 - 18 years of abortion.

[@kandysman86]

Moloch has been taking child sacrifices, unabated for 2000 years. The people who rule us are very religious. Wether you believe or not, they do. And trust me, Jesus is a much better role model, than the side they chose. Ever seen star wars? Of course you have. Ever wonder why so many people followed the old crusty emperor? Well, just ask a Hillary supporter.

[@samanimations2002]

Philip Accaria 1.5 billion globally since 1980

[@JohnMark-yh4br]

It makes Mao and Stalin in the previous century lesser evil.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

If you kill a woman carrying a child, you get charged with double homicide. But when she doesnt want to take responsibility for her actions, it's just a clump of cells.

[@Lexightonportia]

The difference is a woman wanting the child VS not wanting it. And as long as the child depends on that womans uterus directly, her wants matter.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

@@Lexightonportia Are you saying the wants of the child dont? Cause I can assure you, it is a fact that it wants to stay alive.

[@Lexightonportia]

Elijah Butterfield How do you know it wants to stay alive? Technically before around 20 weeks in utero the fetus doesn’t have the brain capacity to care. It’s central nervous system is not developed thus it cannot feel any sort of way about anything. Regardless, we are all at the mercy of whomever we depend upon.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

@@Lexightonportia it moves away from the instrument when its stuck in. It tries to escape. Idk bout you, but to me that says that it wants to live.

[@Lexightonportia]

Elijah Butterfield Please show me video proof that a fetus before 20 weeks “tries to escape” from a suction. I would love to see that. What I think you mean to say it is responds to outside stimuli, much like a plant or bacteria. Just because something physically responds to stimuli, doesn’t mean it is acting on intentional merit. It only means that it is alive.

[@madeira5150]

Nobody is telling the stories of countless women who have committed suicide or cry every year at the anniversary of the day they committed abortion and killed their child...and the heartache and suffering that goes on from the mother who has to live with what she has done...you never hear those true stories talked about much do you?

[@ErikLarson-v6w]

At least she did it out of her own choice. Busy Phillips said having an abortion at 15 was the best decision she ever made. He talks about inherent value. Would he pay $300 per week in child support for each baby? If not, I guess people don't have value

[@bjhcvuaerpigfy]

How confident are you that this is a good argument?

[@ErikLarson-v6w]

@@bjhcvuaerpigfy in one word extremely. Another person responded to my post with one word: exactly. Right there you are outvoted 2-1, which is consistent with nationwide polls that indicate 65 percent of Americans are not opposed to abortion in the first trimester, which doesn't make sense either way if life begins at conception or if Rights begin at birth. Let me put it to you this way. I don't think my wife is able to get pregnant again, but if she did, she can't work and she can't collect disability because I make too much, but I only make enough to support me, her and our first daughter. If I asked you to pay me $300 per week in child support for the next 18 years. If you don't want to, we will have to abort. What's your decision?

[@bjhcvuaerpigfy]

@@ErikLarson-v6w I'm sorry, my post was directed at Madeira51.

[@bjhcvuaerpigfy]

@@ErikLarson-v6w if you were wrong, would you want to know?

[@DJ-fn3jm]

"Undocumented Infant". What an amazing troll. I'm stealing that.

[@MazzarothVsZodiac-fy1my]

Yes, time for the New Patriot act!

[@gordonlawson2334]

“Not a human person” used by the Nazi concerning Jews, used by Arabs concerning Jews, used by American slave owners concerning Negros, used by Darwinian evolutionists concerning the origin of species.

[@tbong9293]

Truth!

[@jarodtaylor8533]

nice injection of bs propaganda.

[@Hnif.76]

Jews are the One That Dehumanize Palestinians

[@4lugan]

Do you know who is behind the maassive abortions? Jews. So think about what you said

[@shapiromediationllc2522]

That’s how slavery was justified, Blacks were not considered a person/human they said because they were not a full human; there for they could be slaves.

[@nightwingvyse]

Absolutely every argument that was ever made to justify slavery can be used to justify abortion just by replacing "slavery" with "abortion", and "slave" with "fetus".

[@maddiecakes145]

How can you compare a living person to a zygote? You are saying that Black people are equivalent to fetuses and zygotes. That's like saying dogs are the same as cows and should be treated as such. They are not equivalent and will be treated differently.

[@nightwingvyse]

@@maddiecakes145 They're all human, so why not? Also, I never mentioned black people. I compared arguments for abortion to arguments for slavery, and you're trying to pivot from that by implying racism despite the fact that most slaves historically weren't black. The word "slave" itself derives from "Slav", as in the white Slavs who were traded as slaves mostly by Arabs. You brought black people up, so isn't it you who is comparing them specifically? You call the unborn "zygotes" as a cope to get away from acknowledging the unborn as human beings, despite the fact that they have heartbeats, brainwaves and the ability to feel pain by the end of the 6th week of pregnancy. Regardless, if you want to decide that "zygotes" don't have the same inherent human value due to developmental phase then why does that only apply to the unborn? Human development doesn't stop at birth and continues until about the age of 25, so why don't we grade a person's human value by how old they are when outside the womb? Furthermore, grading human value by development doesn't comport with abortion norms anyway, because a 20-week premie in the NICU supposedly has more human value that a full-term 40 week baby about to be born in five minutes. This is why the arguments for abortion are not only based on completely arbitrary reasoning, but are an insidious depravity of human rights akin to arguments for slavery, and as I said, the former can be turned into the latter just by switching out a word or two, and that says it all.

[@maddiecakes145]

@@nightwingvyse I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to OP's comment in which he said "Blacks". I'm pretty sure that refers to Africans who were enslaved peoples. I'm not going to argue with you because I wasn't talking to you.

[@nightwingvyse]

@@maddiecakes145 Fair enough about the reference to black people, but could you actually argue against the argument itself?

[@Gregvogel888]

100% agree. This isn’t about women’s reproductive rights or what they do with their bodies. Its about the right of a defenseless human life to live! Great video!

[@TheRealPapaBearChris]

Honestly for me the most incredible thing is how these same people will fight for protections for Bald Eagles eggs, or sea turtle eggs and the habitat that they need to lay those eggs, but the human growing within a mothers womb isn't worth protecting.

[@SuperSupermanX1999]

well it is about women's bodies when the fetus' right to life comes at the cost of their right to bodily autonomy

[@TheRealPapaBearChris]

@@SuperSupermanX1999 The issue is that they chose to have unprotected sex where the consequence is the possibility of getting pregnant with a baby. When you chose to do that, you have created another life. You don't then get to kill that life out of convienience.

[@k-807]

Exactly.. as a woman.. it's my "choice" to kill my unborn and return to normal activities/live life as normal. But shame on me if I choose to not vaccinate my children or if I decide I don't want to pay rent but I'd like to stay in the house for 2 more months. After all my body my choice or woman rights. Nope. It only applies to murdering my unborn. It's disgusting.

[@daerdevvyl4314]

SuperSupermanX1999 What about the baby’s bodily autonomy?

[@jesussaves6625]

I never understood the argument that an abortion should be permitted due to the fact that it is dependent on the mother for life. A newborn baby is also completely dependent on its mother for survival. Yes, we've circumvented that a little, developing infant formulas and such, but still the baby is now dependent on a "mother substitute". Think about premature babies. For one thing- If it's not ok to kill the 8 months developed baby outside of the womb, why then should it be ok when that baby is still in the womb? Additionally, many premature babies are dependent on medical technology,such as incubators, to survive. Should we be permitted to kill those babies just because they are not capable of survival without a "host"?

[@bella3636]

Their argument is then that outside of the womb anybody can take care of the baby. Anybody can provide care for it but inside the womb it's only the mother and if she doesn't want it it's forced upon her.

[@SuperSushidog]

@@bella3636 Yes, but a mother is inherently responsible for her child, regardless of her desires, the same way a court can order the father of that child to pay child support, regardless of what the father wants. It is inherently the father's moral duty to do so, just as it is the mother's duty to at least bear the child. Fortunately, in this day and age a mother can choose to give her child up for adoption as soon as it's born to a loving home who will care for her child, raising it as their own. I say fortunately because I was a child who was given up for adoption rather than being murdered in the womb.

[@rickcamacho9079]

"It's funny how everyone who supports abortion has been born"-Ronald Reagan.

[@54fighting5]

These are clear thinking, responsible individuals. They will never give up their fight for the right to ghoulish birth control after irresponsible sexual activity.

[@liddletoes]

It amazes me that "people" who were once in the womb, say that babies in the womb aren't real! Then "people", explain your existence and how you got here....

[@irishemmanuelagpoon4561]

Exactly!

[@RandomStuff-i4i]

​@@shannonabeywardena7323 There ain't no coconut trees here where I live.

[@partysugar519]

@liddletoes definitely didn't begin in a woman's womb. You say "the womb" almost as if it didn't belong to someone. But there definitely is a process before anything grows in someone's womb. If boys didn't waist there sperms on the side of their beds and faces and different places and jarred it.... each and every sperm is the beginnins of human beings. perhaps the Republicans will pass an illegal ejaculations bill ..on capital hill... ? No one sperm should be more important than another.... using a rubber is murder... sperms just suffocate in between extra thin latex and penis...

[@partysugar519]

@liddletoes... so we definitely all started out as sperm, correct? And sperm can be preserved and artificially inseminated to develop in someone's womb or or a womb... im sure it doesnt matter to a baby what or whos womb they get the privilege of borrowing. they just know they have a right to a womb...

[@kenlukasik5257]

Killing an innocent person is Murder.

[@anitabonghit7606]

Killing a murderer is murder as well

[@MonkeyDIvan]

Ken Lukasik Killing animals for meat is murder as well.

[@jlostroh]

@@anitabonghit7606 nope

[@JohnMark-yh4br]

@@anitabonghit7606 It depends on the situation. If a person is in action attempting to kill another person , that first person is no longer innocent therefore killing as an act of self defense is no murder.

[@christopher6460]

So then every single president post world war 2 should be executed then? I mean Trump's first action in office was authorizing a drone strike that killed an innocent and defenseless 9 year old girl. So Trump is a murderer eh?

[@JoelSelormADISENU-DOE]

We were all a fetus at a point , were't we?

[@BrandonNathan-hz4fc]

fetus is child in Latin

[@hexl702too5]

Have you ever been someone whose body parts were taken over by the government?….. Like a woman’s uterus is?…..

[@hexl702too5]

@@BrandonNathan-hz4fc How do you say “mind your own uterus” in Latin?

[@zwendathulo]

​@hexl702too5 how do u say "murderer" In Hebrew?

[@hexl702too5]

@@zwendathulo Who knows….. Abortion isnt murder, or there would be around 45,000,000 women in prison….. Instead, they’re walking around free as a bird….

[@christiansaravia7865]

All great points, I’ve listened to tons of pro life arguments and can say I’m definitely pro life

[@deviantlydeviant]

I was pro-choice at one point. It's all about perspective, and I was focusing more on the life of a woman over the life inside of her. However, I did still struggle internally with the idea of killing for the benefit of another person. I think it was Stephen Crowder's "I'm Pro-Life: Change My Mind" segment on abortion that changed my mind. I am pro-life.

[@OUpsychChick]

I was also pro-choice. Perspective really is everything. To me it was easy to emphasize with the women who were poor or young, or whatever stereotype I had for women who got abortions. My friend shattered this for me. She was a mid 20's comfortably employed, educated woman, she wanted children, she had stability and means, she just didn't have a boyfriend because she got pregnant from a one night stand. She killed her baby for her dating prospects because she figured being a single mom wouldn't be good for landing a husband. It felt so selfish to me, I just started questioning everything. I finally was able to see the other side.

[@mamabear1394]

Hopefully she still have her job and house cause the second any self respecting man finds out she killed her baby because she thought that it wouldn't help her get a husband they will call her out on BS and if she refuses to accept that she did something wrong leave her

[@dudester873]

Sushi, do you recall the particular point or points in Stephen Crowder's pro-life reasoning that changed your mind?

[@bdgdbdgd]

Congratulations

[@Strange-iw1vk]

same thing for me fam

[@soggyslu1]

Pretty straight forward..... when you have a soul.

[@MonkeyDIvan]

Fish The theme‘s more complex than that

[@ladybayside7547]

No. No it’s not.

[@soggyslu1]

Good vs. evil. That's as simple as it gets.

[@hunterfickling3451]

Lol

[@grantrobinson9975]

Would you call it good or evil if a teenage female was forced to have a child after her uncle raped her?

[@AudreyMartin-qm3pi]

I'm a teen girl and I've always been against abortion. It hurts to hear grown women say that I'm less of a woman just because I dont think abortion should be allowed.

[@APerson032]

Literally no one thinks that

[@AudreyMartin-qm3pi]

@@APerson032 uhm yes a lot of women have told me I'm not a real woman because I dont agree with the same health care as them

[@idk7251]

so real

[@mynameismynameis134]

You are. Theres no way around it.

[@idk7251]

@@mynameismynameis134 i think it’s the opposite

[@davec5153]

The reason why a baby needs to stay in the mothers body for 9 months, is for protection. Although in the west, in progressive society, it's the most dangerous place to be. If it wasin't so vulnerable, then it wouldint need to stay in the womb so long, so the 9 months is immaterial when your deciding if its human. Its human from conception.

[@ZARK0_]

I believe a little over halfway through the pregnancy the fetus has a higher than 50% chance of survival if removed from the womb... but I could be wrong its been so long since Ive debated abortion

[@robertalust5466]

I agree with you.. But tell a mother with a painful difficult pregnancy that 9 months is immaterial… Maybe philosophically, but definitely not medically..

[@krakca]

might wanna have a glance of world wide abortion rates and realise its actually the east that aborts. you are probably also rooting for russia at this point.

[@bonbonpony]

@@robertalust5466 Pregnancies don't happen at random, you know? There are things that lead to it, and a mature person would know it.

[@robertalust5466]

@@bonbonpony lol of course…I know that But you don’t know if your pregnancy is going to be complicated or if there’s going to be a lot of health stuff to deal..and women can’t just not have sex in their marriage because of that risk..would the marriage last ? I’m pro life….so abortion is not the fix for this stuff… But the problem is doctors don’t always listen to women’s health concerns especially during pregnancy… My issue is you can’t just be like “meh it’s nothing” women need support..and that’s often the attitude I hear..

[@cobaltcrusader9841]

"It's not a human, it's a boomer" -Matt Walsh, 2019

[@Jestops]

And it was so funny that no one laughed. I bet he was so excited to say it too. Sorry to comment 2 years later haha

[@Armed-Forever]

@@Jestops i laughed out loud lol

[@hexl702too5]

So Matt Walsh….. None of that “ALL lives matter” bullshit for YOU, eh?…. 😆 No wonder the forced-birthers failed in the court of public opinion…. they couldn’t sell their own message because they don’t believe it themselves!….

[@henrydiaz720]

@Brendan Anthony 🤡🌈🤡🌈🤡🌈

[@wafflemation6887]

@@henrydiaz720 well brendan's not wrong

[@billyjonesy2972]

Abortion is not about a woman controlling her body; it’s (about) controlling another body. No one gives a damn about adult women controlling their body. You want to get a breast implant, get a breast implant. You want a facelift, get a facelift. - Dennis Prager Remember, the zygote, embryo and fetus all have DNA that is different from the woman’s. It IS a different body. Also, abortion can be a medical procedure, but it is, usually, NOT healthcare.

[@williammesquit5762]

He’s a good speaker

[@andrewstout5400]

Except I just found out he thinks Trump supporters are morons ? Daily Wire has a problem they need to address, not delete old tweets

[@NoctuaStrigiformes]

ANDREW STOUT, we may agree or disagree with an individual’s positions or arguments but it still may not invalidate the whole, of you catch my meaning

[@mountanedew9793]

Corey R ??? Lmao

[@bonbonpony]

@@andrewstout5400 Remember the days where presidents of the United States were true statesmen and not absolute clowns? (This also applies to the current one, not just DT) If someone supports a person with an IQ of a potato, that one couldn't be much brighter too, don't you think?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

He talks rubbish like he means it but he is fundamentally wrong on all levels

[@listless22]

The argument that ultimately changed my mind is this. "If you do nothing, the fetus will become a person." I can't articulate why that simple sentence had such an impact on me. But it rolls around in my head all the time now.

[@daerdevvyl4314]

Trevor Sampson I’m glad it had an impact on you, but I would make one correction. The fetus is already a person. Otherwise you have to answer the question of exactly when the fetus becomes a person and why. Inevitably, as Walsh says in this video, you would have to come to the conclusion that some people outside the womb aren’t actually people either.

[@OneHandedClapper]

"Homo est et qui est futurus" - irenaeus. Roughly translates to 'who is to be a human being, is a human being!' The quote continues, [for the whole fruit is already present in the seed]. It is an interesting argument that has been used for almost 2 millennia.

[@Boaz833]

Abortion is about equality between men and women. A man and a woman engage in the same act however only the woman has to spend the next 9 months having her body ripped apart. Where is the equality in that? The only way I will become anti choice is if we pass a law that says if a man impregnates a woman he has to spend the next 9 months in a jail cell preferably with a rapist. Because in order to maintain equality a man has to have his body ripped apart like a woman after having sex. Abortion is about giving woman a choice to not go through 9 months of suffering just like a man does not have to go through it. Abortion is horrible yes, but in our male dominated, "boys will be boys" world that we live in, it is a necessary evil.

[@InvisibleTacoMan]

Boaz V This is, by far, the single most retarded thing I have ever seen in my life. Literally what the fuck.

[@Boaz833]

@@strangelyukrainian7314 Wow you must be some sort of ignorant uneducated backwater cousin humping hillbilly to say such stupid stuff. Are you honestly that blind to what a woman goes through during pregnancy and after childbirth? Incontinence, vaginal tearing, stretch marks, c-section scars, hemorrhoids swollenfeet, sagging breasts, damage nipples, morning sickness, back pain, leg cramps, varicose veins, possible death, not to mention the excruciating pain of childbirth itself. That is what I mean by "ripped apart". When is the last time a man had to go through the same agony because he made the same choices a woman? I am not going to try and make sense of your inane rambling but I will say this, in a world where 55% of the population are woman and yet 80% of absentee fathers are men how is that equal? If we truly want men To be as responsible as women when it comes to their obligations that we need to threaten them with bodily harm not just give him some worthless fine or some meaningless jail time which has little impact. Do you understand that when a man points his pene'us at a women it is the equivalent of him pointing a gun at her when you consider all the bodily damage and possible death that will happen to her because of his choice? How come he is not risking the same damage? Where is the equality in that? So unless you are willing to mutilate a man for making the same choices of woman then you have no right to take away her right to choose to not be mutilated herself.

[@jackielittle1077]

I need to know more about this. There is no issue in politics I've tried to stay away from longer but, the time for courage has come.

[@Vekigu]

Jack Little - good for you, Daily Wire and Live Action have good videos to watch

[@matthewpalminteri1408]

Look up Scott Klusendorf on KZbin.

[@BulletsAndBloomers]

There is nothing courageous about educating yourself. It's simply not being a dipshit.

[@jaradrichardsC137]

Watch the procedure

[@Kimbermom4908]

@@BulletsAndBloomers you don't need to be so rude to her. She's admitted she has kept her head in the sand and she's ready to try and understand. Geez

[@marinacocozza558]

Why can't this level of concern and determination be shown to the tens of millions of hungry, unloved, desperate children already here?

[@consciouspresence5880]

They are. It is called anti communist action.

[@vichomangiola]

Sure, clearly "anti communism" has solved hunger.

[@sananton2821]

@@vichomangiola Better than communism ever did!

[@vichomangiola]

@@sananton2821 Great, but there are still hungry, unloved and vulnerable children out there, with all of you anticomunists around. Anti communism hasn´t solved sh1t.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@sananton2821 I'm not convinced you know much about anything

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

What I'm going to say, may sound indelicate. *Women. There are things, on this is very planet, that are more important than you are.*

[@morrmanstansontheprettygoo3347]

Dr. Minty it’s that simple, thank you

[@kunntakentay]

THANK YOU

[@Randomguy2341]

kunntakentay I think the top guy is long gone so will just ask you. If the mother is unable to take care of her offspring or has a pregnancy that is threatening her life is it permissible to have an abortion. I only ask because the dr. Minty is making it sound like, if you get raped are about to die whatever the contexts fuck you you’re have that baby no matter what. This seems a little extreme but what do you think.

[@seankearney-mcmanus4486]

DOMINICUS ROMULUS if the mom can’t raise the child, there’s adoption. Abortion is NEVER morally preferable to adoption. Also, this idea of the unborn fetus threatening the life of the mother; with the medicine and hospital facilities we have today; this issue is now virtually non-existent. It just doesn’t happen. But in the 0.000001% chance it ever did, then yes, abortion could be permissible. Of course, the focus remains on saving lives (pro-life) because the intent of it is to save the mother’s life. The intent is not to get rid of an unwanted baby.

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

@@Randomguy2341 A) If the mother cannot care for the child, the mother *should not be having a child.* I know the argument for "but muh contraception isnt 100% safe" is a common one, the simple solution is funnily enough..simple. Don't get your fuck on if you aren't willing to accept the 0.001% chance that you may become a parent. B) If the mothers life is greatly at risk, and it is a choice between the unborn child and the mother, then I can understand the argument for choosing to save the mother. My point isn't that, if you're a rape victim then you're on your own. I understand that there are severe cases. But people need to understand that these severe cases are, not exactly a majority. Just off the top of my head, 1% of women get an abortion due to rape, and in the case of incest it's less than 0.5% (I may be incorrect). In these dire situations, while I dont condone abortion and feel adoption may be better, I'm not going to hold these women accountable because let's face it... that must be terrifying to go through.

[@Watchmegrow26]

I’m assuming some of those people who walked out didn’t want to hear the truth.

[@DebbieK7403]

Luke Andrews maybe they either had an abortion or supported someone who did...

[@califtom]

@@DebbieK7403 how do you support someone in the process of killing their baby?

[@Mike_A1114]

Or mabey they’re like me and had tacobell for lunch 🌮

[@pakman0049]

@@DebbieK7403 Also known as...Not wanting to hear the truth.

[@DebbieK7403]

Thomas B huh? I am 100% pro-life.

[@DinoNucci]

How many children have YOU adopted??

[@mr.d.572]

How many children have you killed?

[@DinoNucci]

@@mr.d.572 one too few it seems

[@DinoNucci]

@@mr.d.572 happy to help. Be sure to post pics of the children you adopt. TC

[@califtom]

I haven't taken in any homeless people recently either. Is it okay to kill them too?

[@mr.d.572]

@@califtom Looks like we have what could be another terribly brainwashed beta male incel here, pushing for murder rights thinking it's going to land him a girlfriend. Nope, ain't happening.

[@felicity8062]

Matt Walsh speaking facts.

[@ehecken]

Thought you subject but anybody that denies a baby as a person is a seriously sick individual!!!

[@aklei114]

*I like to use the word “organism” when arguing with a pro-abortion individual. Since the left utilizes, only when advancing their argument of course, the lenses of science to view a topic, then surely they understand the life cycle of an ‘organism’. The entire pro-abortion stance and argument is one big hypocritical word salad, it makes no sense. This guy hit it on the head perfectly. Well done!*

[@mikebalderston2723]

I've come across several "biologists" who claim that any living cell(including somatic cells such as skin or hair cells) are organisms, rendering the word meaningless .

[@faithwisdom788]

How has using the word organism benefited you at all when talking to a prochoice person? If at all 🤔🙂

[@Boaz833]

Abortion is about equality between men and women. A man and a woman engage in the same act however only the woman has to spend the next 9 months having her body ripped apart. Where is the equality in that? The only way I will become anti choice is if we pass a law that says if a man impregnates a woman he has to spend the next 9 months in a jail cell preferably with a rapist. Because in order to maintain equality a man has to have his body ripped apart like a woman after having sex. Abortion is about giving woman a choice to not go through 9 months of suffering just like a man does not have to go through it. Abortion is horrible yes, but in our male dominated, "boys will be boys" world that we live in, it is a necessary evil.

[@yee9574]

​@@Boaz833 Acknowledging Abortion is evil/horrible and then calling it necessary is insane. You've essentially conceded that an unborn child is a human life, and even so you still would call it necessary, especially when it occurs (assuming Matt Walsh's number is correct) in 60 million different cases.

[@Boaz833]

@@yee9574 I concede that an unborn child is a human life. But I also concede that evil is sometimes necessary. Just look at war. It is the most evil and terrible of things and yet it is continuous throughout our history. Innocent people are always being killed by soldiers does that mean that the soldier is a monster? You might make the argument well at least it's not a deliberate killing of an innocent person however we know that innocent people always die in war and yet we always have wars. Why? Because it is a necessary horror in our human condition. As an example the Civil War was fought for equality among the races. Would you argue that the cost of human life was too great and that keeping slavery legal was a better alternative to allowing hundreds of thousands of Americans to be killed? Of course not, because when it comes to equality and justice there is no price too high to pay. And in the same way abortion is a necessary horror as it is a battle for equality between the genders. If you truly want to end abortion and keep things equal between the genders I would suggest you pass a law that says if a man takes it out of his pants without being 100% ready for the responsibility of being a parent then his penis will be surgically removed. That would end most abortions because it would end unplanned pregnancies.

[@asavvysimpleguy6433]

This is the most profound and emotional description of abortion ( even hard to write). Visulize this- "A baby is in the safest most perfect place a human being can be-warm and pesceful in it's Mother. Than comes excruciating, prolonged pain and death!!" Quote is from the High Impact channel. There are scant few reasons that a civilized culture should support this. [P.S.( Lets stop using a "nice" word "abortion" and do what Democrats do, use a descriptive, emotional producing term in this case "baby killers"] a Savvy Simple Guy

[@millili7980]

Okay we'll use "baby killing" if you change "pro-life" to "pro-silencing-controlling-and-harming-women-without-actually-saving-any-lives-especially-those-of-born-children". Or if you prefer the much shorter "forced-birth".

[@itsmrme4951]

@@millili7980 Troll

[@DanT-godofpain]

A woman is actually a person, not a human incubator.

[@avivastudios2311]

@@DanT-godofpain Cant she be both? Two things can be true at the same time you know. Why do you think that having a child is so bad?

[@DanT-godofpain]

@@avivastudios2311 No. Do not put words in my mouth.

[@DEZZ6]

Sorry! 😕The argument is NOT settled once and for all.

[@mamabear1394]

Me and my boyfriend want to have kids but are waiting till we can support them and are married. Also we haven't had sex which is easy considering he's in Ireland at the moment. Also we want to adopt so anyone who gets pregnant and doesn't know what to do please consider your other options

[@JohnSmith-wh2ob]

Mama Bear that’s called being responsible adults making the right decisions waiting until you are ready is admirable and the right thing to do good for you

[@melaniekay3647]

You are a very wise woman. God bless you and your lives together!

[@Shizo-friend]

So you're losers. It's just that

[@mamabear1394]

@@Shizo-friend Okay so like I have changed over the last four years and I regret my past self's actions but like don't criticize someone who doesn't wanna have sex.

[@Shizo-friend]

@@mamabear1394 everybody wants to have sex. Everybody normal at least.

[@xopath9204]

Forget hitler and the holocaust. Roe v wade is the greatest massacre of human life in history.

[@DEZZ6]

The Abortion debate is not new. Philosophers, medical professionals, legal fraternity, religious leaders have been going at it for more than 1000 years. No amount of arguments will settle this soon so that everyone is satisfied with the decisions. In the meantime we will all have to settle for a middle ground. The words embryo, foetus, baby exist for the OBVIOUS reasons that they are different things. The definitions are long-standing. Whether you, anyone else or any group agrees /disagrees is irrelevant. Pregnancy happens to a Sovereign human being and nobody has the right to tell/force that human to either carry a foetus to term and give birth to it OR enforce abortion.What should be urgently reviewed and legally addressed are these - Using abortion as a substitute for contraception and /moral and responsible behavior - BAN late - term abortions. LIMIT the amount of "abortions on request" per person {will make them think twice?} to eg 1 max. - NO FREE abortions-make them Pay in the hope that they will adjust their behavior. To have limitless abortions on request is insanity, even if politicians are promising this, for multiple GOOD reasons. Abortion is an invasive, traumatic, surgical procedure with potentially life-altering and lethal outcomes. 🤔❤️🌍

[@lantrill]

Irresponsibility is no excuse for murder. Teach the young responsibility to cure unborn murder.

[@lantrill]

@linnea falk no, but teach the young responsibility and the responsibility stays with you all your life.

[@joliebokeh1958]

Including the responsibility to not rape, I assume?

[@thetruthfromthefuture]

The issue isn't about whether the fetus is or isn't a person. The issue is that our society is sick. The poor and lower members of the socio-economic system suffer much more by "unwanted" pregnancy. As a progressive society, we need to make sure women are safe and taken care of. Currently, they are not.

[@kingorange7739]

That is something that can be changed. But it won’t change if it just keeps being used as an excuse to kill the unborn

[@goranmilic442]

Do other humans have right to use woman's body without her consent? If the answer is no, then fetus also doesn't have that right.

[@litterill]

@@goranmilic442 However, the woman partook in the creation of that other human. If you and your son were playing baseball in the yard and accidentally smashed their neighbor's window, the neighbor would want you to pay. But you say that you weren't meaning to smash their window. But that's the assumed responsibility of the parent playing baseball with his or her kid, same with sex. You may not have meant to get pregnant, but that's the assumed responsibility the couple takes by partaking in it.

[@goranmilic442]

@@litterill First of all, if woman was raped, then she didn't partake in anything, did she? So your argument still allows raped women to abort. Next, in your baseball example, you are forgetting that responsibility comes from contracts or crimes or damages. Having sex is neither of those, so it's invalid to compare damaging someone's window and having sex. Woman doesn't lose right to control her body, just because she had sex.

[@litterill]

@@goranmilic442 We both agree rape is a horrible atrocious that should happen to no one, however, it accounts for about 1% of abortions that occur. Abortion doesn't solve the pain that the rape did- locking up the man who did and receiving compassionate love and counseling does. During a rape, there are 1 guilty and 2 innocents- the guilty being the man who did it and the innocents being the woman and the baby. Adding more violence to the baby doesn't help anyone. In fact, there are stories of women who have been raped and contemplated suicide, but upon learning they were pregnant gave them a reason to live. I am in no way saying that the rape was a good thing, but just sharing another side of the story. I'm a bit confused about what you meant that responsibility comes from contracts or crimes or damages, could you explain it more please? Partaking in a recreational activity one enjoys but having an unintended consequence of said activity does make one liable. But what about the baby's body? the baby has a right to its body as well. It is its own unique person with unique DNA.

[@daneshaw3734]

It is not a conscious human being and it is inside the woman's body. Therefore it is the woman's choice whether any thing stays in her body or exits. Men do not have any right to tell women (the carriers) what to do with their bodies. This is ultimately their choice.

[@kingorange7739]

It isn't their own body that is of concern but rather the body of the child. You will find few pro lifers that would object to the woman removing the fetus if it didn't kill him or her.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@kingorange7739 The child forms from her body it doesn't just magically appear unless it is IVF.

[@kingorange7739]

@@bulletanarchy6447 it forms from a sperm and egg cell combining in fertilization. You mean he or she maintains his/herself through her body.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@kingorange7739 No I mean an egg cell already has different DNA from the woman before fertilization. The criteria for separation is separation. An embryo is a reproductive development inside a reproductive organ

[@kingorange7739]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Not as a purely unique genetic code it does not, and biologically speaking. It requires both the sperm and egg to generate a human being.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Given that there are significant opposing positions on abortion, it is too bad we couldn't come to a reasonable comprise. Oh, wait - we already did that with viability. The GOP needs to learn that they can't have everything their own way. Fighting over settled law only impedes the common goal of reducing unwanted pregnancy. The over-reach is going to backfire.

[@gopher7691]

@@LogicAndReason2025 by “we” you mean 7 justices on the Supreme Court in 1973. According to the sciences of embryology and genetics a new human being is formed at conception. State legislatures will now regulate abortion, not SCOTUS which has no authority to do so. Sadly benighted states like New York will allow pregnant women to slaughter the unborn human beings in their wombs right up until birth.

[@scootsmcgooots]

So my Dad is an OB/GYN and I’ve had some discussions with him on abortion. He’s never done an abortion out of convenience. I’ve come to agree with him that an abortion is valid, if the health of the mother is truly at risk. I am a religious conservative and very much pro-life, except for the exception I’ve stated above. This is something I invite y’all to think on.

[@robertalust5466]

I’m pro life as well But if it’s not just the mother’s life and it’s not emergent? What then? I’m not talking about discomfort of course, but severe, chronic complications.. Something that effects quality of life or functionality? Some pregnancies can further complicate chronic health conditions..or reproductive conditions.. I ended up having to have a hysterectomy recently and at 30…because of this.. And that had it’s own complications.. I’m pro life, but it seems this exception really doesn’t consider women’s health..

[@gopher7691]

Define “health”.

[@jesseostone386]

I makes me downright ANGRY that the pro abortion supporters use “women’s health” as a reason for aborting a perfectly healthy fetus from a perfectly healthy mother. What kind of BS is that?!?. 🤬🤬🤬 Being pregnant is not an anomaly, an abnormal or freakish or deviant state to be in.😤😤😤

[@cindylutz7442]

I have a new friend who told me the other day about her pre-Roe abortion. She was 19, married, had a 9-month old, and told her doctor she wasn't having this baby. Her doctor said "I'm Catholic so I can't help you but I know someone who can." She had the abortion in the hospital with 4 other married women (they were in a ward together.) She added, she thanks God daily that she does not have that child and believes God is pleased with her. I'm still reeling. I confess, I also had an abortion, in 1979. I was the poster child for "abortion rights". Had the father wanted the baby. married me like he said he wanted to do (hmm) before the act that created the baby, the child would be...45 years old now. I...was stupid all round. The thing is, after I was married (to someone else) and had a baby, I also got pregnant again, but apparently miscarried. My body didn't get the memo, so it wasn't until 16 weeks that we finally determined there was no baby. That's when I understood what I'd done. Seeing my toddler, I was heartbroken at losing one (and yet it was like my body was doing everything it could to preserve and grow it,) and aghast that I'd thrown one away. And yet this woman, whom I really like--she's definitely challenging my thinking--threw hers away when she didn't even have to. She said her husband would have supported the child, supported her pregnancy. She just...didn't want it. People's hearts are HARD. (Mine too, in my way.) And our selfishness knows no bounds.

[@joliebokeh1958]

How about: 1) access to and education on birth control, and 2) resources for women without the financial means, environment or mental/physical/emotional health to support themselves during pregnancy and after the baby is born, through childhood?

[@ulooz117]

You can tell Matt is used to debating people that don’t really know why they’re talking about rather than subject matter experts.

[@makroskonstopolis]

Lol, the subject matter experts can't answer the question "what is a woman?"

[@evenhessen3452]

@@makroskonstopolis you are foolish if you dont think the experts know what a woman is, everyone does, except the very few psychotic individuals. they just dont want to offend anyone. if you seriously think the majority of the left dont know what a woman is you are stupid yourself

[@katenoke1571]

Well, Matt just got schooled by the voters in Ohio, I guess, lol

[@MarvelGamer2023]

The "subject matter experts" don't really know what they're talking about either 😂

[@ulooz117]

@@MarvelGamer2023 I mean, if you don’t think people like Trent Horn know what they’re talking about that’s your prerogative.

[@EddieFox]

I wish those who had an abortion and regret their decision, especially painfully (my heart goes out to them) would make public how they feel now. Help others avoid that pain and heartache.

[@LightningStrikes2345]

“All life is valuable” *Child turns out gay Father: okay son get out of the house. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@hello-sz7hp]

Seems fair to me

[@annroousivakumar2819]

I think its because the child in the womb is innocent. While being "gay" isn't seen as innocent

[@hello-sz7hp]

@@annroousivakumar2819 because it’s true

[@LightningStrikes2345]

that's exactly the problem, pro lifers are so quick to demand they love all their children yet, half of all child homelessness is gay. @@annroousivakumar2819

[@earlparker5087]

The main issue is that, while people are arguing that the child should be born, none of you care about the life that child will be born into. But will be quick to bash those living in poverty who continue to have kids and increasing the population thats living in poverty. People deserve to be able to decide what they want to do with their body, and frankly its not a strangers business 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@00dfm00]

Yup. They care more about bringing a life into the world than the quality of life they'll have. It's well documented that the vast majority of unwanted children suffer greatly and are a net burden to society due to violence, not being able to keep a job, drug addiction, etc. Meanwhile, the forced-birthers distract from the fact the Republicans want to do away with minimum wage, abolish unions who will fight for fair pay, kill off the middle class while transfer the wealth to the ultra-rich, and ensure those without connections pop out as many cheap future labourers as possible (interfering with forced birth = imprisonment). Sounds like a dystopian/autocratic system trying to make cheap labour to the advantage of the very few to me.

[@JayDubbya]

The words spoken by Walsh in this video just went completely in one of your ears and out the other. Your point is a classic, pro-abort non-argument. The issue is not about the woman’s body but is about the body of the baby that she seeks to destroy. Mike drop!

[@earlparker5087]

@JayDubbya well there's the problem, you want to ignore the main part of this. "It's not about her body". Of course it is. Fact still remains, these women know their body better, their situation better, and what the childs environment will be better than any of you strangers, so to sit back and tell someone they have to do something that will likely be disastrous for them and the child, while doing less than nothing to help after the child is born, is crazy

[@JayDubbya]

@@earlparker5087 “disastrous for the child”?! Worse than aborting them you think?

[@earlparker5087]

@JayDubbya well yea, how much pain do you think a child aborted within the first month or 2 feels? I can show you TONS of cases where kids are tortured, assaulted, drugged, stuck in the system, etc

[@JohnDoe-jt5lb]

I am pro choice. I don't care if you care your own kids after they're born. I do refuse to call it health care, or to pretend it isn't murder.

[@swaggymcbaggy2178]

Depends on what you define as a person.

[@JohnDoe-jt5lb]

@@swaggymcbaggy2178 omfg. A person is a human with their unique dna. Examples of such include jews, negr0es, caucasians, gay men, unborn children. Humanity of all these groups have been questioned at some point.

[@ericmadsen9655]

Excellent speech Matt. Well said and packed with facts that the other side can't refute or deny. They will try but ultimately they will fail.

[@iamthesenate8825]

Not rly, I have seen both sides of the arguement have a few and strong valid points.

[@hexl702too5]

Lol silly!….. Forced-birthers always think they defeat the abortion argument…. They just can’t defeat abortion itself… They were 63,000,000 in 50 years….. What were you so victorious about, again?…..

[@ArabellaPottery]

I can. The Geneva convention considers any “woman forced to get pregnant, stay pregnant, or give birth; to be a crime against humanity." So most people don't buy into his BS. He is pro slavery. see the evil that he is.

[@TrippaC4939]

There was no argument, it was just arguments from emotion

[@Criticalthinking_]

Imagen advocating for the goverment being able to force women to stay pregnant. What is this world coming to :/ and the fact is that all of them are trying to give fetuses SPECIAL rights that none else has. A born child doesnt have the right to use their mothers body how ever they want, a parent doesnt even need to give their vhild a kidney, even if it will lead to that childs death. Why should a fetus have special rights none else has?

[@SamanthaAnderson-ey8jd]

Someone tell me. Who is paying for these babies? We must show proof of funds and creditworthiness to get a house, car, credit card, phone and really anything. Why are we allowing people with no money or no desire to become parents? My kids will not suffer because their parents wanted them and had the means to support them.

[@vincentwilliams2314]

How are you gonna decide for OTHER people when it’s the right time they should have a child . No one else can or should decide when it’s right to have a child except for the people involved

[@dyingmaisy]

@@vincentwilliams2314 We have a winner! Exactly!, "No one else can or should decide when it’s right to have a child except for the people involved"

[@okiesmack]

You could also say- Put a person in the middle of the desert alone, can that person survive?nope! So that person isn’t really awfully developed person either and can be murdered also. Nothing living can survive on it’s own without outside help.

[@sharrivers6760]

I think it’s a massive misconception that the topic of abortion is a wrong doing. It is not demoralising, or inhumane, it’s simply the right to choose to continue on with the pregnancy or not depending on their present circumstances. These circumstances can be influenced by financial issues, health and medical conditions, age etc. The issue of abortion is, by most people, not taken lightly, and is proceeded after through thorough consideration. And the ignorance to this is quite reflective of the incapability of those against abortion to understand and empathise as well, with the party that is going through this matter. There are no hero’s or villains when it comes to these things, it’s just a grey area.

[@kingorange7739]

Financies don’t excuse killing another human being

[@JoshuaCurtin-gs6gb]

@@kingorange7739 what if your mother was raped tho? Would you want a half brother with a rapist of a father? Your mother was helpless and someone put a seed inside her, now she’s forced to give birth? I like how no one in the comment section mentions rape

[@kingorange7739]

@@JoshuaCurtin-gs6gb Because rape makes up so little of the abortion cases that to try to constantly mention it without covering majority cases first is blantant manipulation. But I’ll indulge you. Yes I and my mother for that matter (who is also pro life) would want to keep the baby. Because ultimately it’s not the baby’s fault for what happened and doing another crime against an innocent human being doesn’t right the previous one done to you. Should the rapist be castrated or killed? Yes. But ultimately the baby is also a victim like the mother

[@nazgulosmonalieva5162]

@@JoshuaCurtin-gs6gb Exactly! Also, no one mentioned that in Switzerland, when the fetus is conceived, they make a DNA test to determine whether they are going to have a healthy baby or not, and in the majority of cases, when tests show that a person will be born with a very bad illness they make abortion. Imagine saying this in the States?

[@yeeters2347]

@@JoshuaCurtin-gs6gb Need I say one thing, if you don’t Want the kid, put them up for adoption post birth, let’s stop fucking killing them ey?

[@TheFitnessKitten]

Bill Burr said it good in an analogy about baking a cake but Matt puts it in a great perspective

[@jeannineterran2621]

I've had 2 children. From the moment I knew I was pregnant my whole purpose was to protect my baby. I chose to have sex, to get pregnant. So the baby was my responsibility. If a pregnancy isn't wanted or safe, or even practical, surely a woman would recognise that fact very early on - not wait until it is almost formed and moving, and reacting to external things - as they do. They wouldn't be doing that if they were not alive.

[@celestekoluria2695]

The moment we dehumanize an unborn baby is the moment we dehumanize everyone.

[@NEPtune-fy1ug]

yeah nice strawman there. unborn fetuses are just unborn fetuses

[@brianyi2995]

@@NEPtune-fy1ug lol how the fuck is that strawman? That is the point of the argument. If it is human, abortion is wrong. It is not about choice, it is about if it is scientifically human.

[@celestekoluria2695]

@@NEPtune-fy1ug So when do you become a human? Because it sounds like you're still a fetus.

[@NEPtune-fy1ug]

@@brianyi2995 a clump of cells isnt human, without any memories or consciousness

[@NEPtune-fy1ug]

@@celestekoluria2695 when fetuses develop consciousness

[@SapienSafari]

Curious to see the orphanage Matt opens to take care of other people’s children. Oh wait

[@vincentwilliams2314]

😂😂be the main one saying give the child up for adoption but never adopt a child . Don’t even want kids to begin with

[@judgedayan9934]

Indeed, according to Peter Singer, even right after birth, a woman should have a right to "post birth abortion". Singer admits that a "fetus" inside the womb is a full human being, but he draws the line of when life should be terminated since it is of "no value" to his perception of when it is deemed consciousness and sentient .

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

No one is "pro abortion". There are people who think women have the right to make health choices that affect themselves without the interference of the government. And, after all, Matt Walsh is free to carry to term any baby he may have. As is any woman who chooses to do so. No one can force them to abort against their wishes.

[@delladillon8765]

Thou Shalt Not Kill. How is it that grown woman are having sex without protection? I'm not talking about rape or incest victims. If you are an adult you have no excuse, us birth control or abstain from sexual activities!

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

@@delladillon8765 Thou shalt no kill apparently doesn't apply to the Christian god, because he arbitrarily kills about 30% of the fertilized eggs of human females.

[@citrusbomb9376]

@@delladillon8765 fairs, but there will always be situations where taking the precautions will not work (rare but not unheard of). I get that it is wrong to kill a human but I don't think that before something can deploy consciousness it seems a bit dishonest to call it a human or a person.

[@BeautyByHaleBale_Haley]

A fetus isn’t conscious, when a person is deemed brain dead in the hospital (ie. unconscious) we often pull the machines keeping them alive.

[@jaydubbya5479]

You can pick any number of reasons to devalue another. “A fetus isn’t conscience so we should be able to kill it”. You’re not conscience when you’re asleep, so I guess we should be able to kill sleeping people too! The illogical of pro-aborts knows no bounds!

[@thatoneguy5694]

But that’s just false. The brain and the heart start working at week 5. That, by definition, means they are fully conscious.

[@PsychologyAttack]

@@thatoneguy5694 the brain does not start to work on week 5. Its developing. But it so underdeveloped that it cannot possibly be used to experience subjective reality of this world( consciousness). The fact that there are a bunch of neurons copiled does not mean its functioning. There needs to be electrical activity, neural circuitry and various areas of the brain developed. If 99 percent of my brain dies with exception of some clusters of neurons, you wouldnt call me alive or conscious. You would call me brain dead.

[@JoeLopez-l8z]

You know little about what you said. If you actually hear and see what ex-abortion doctors had to do to perform abortio, you would learn that many are OFTEN very alive enough that they can actual feel the baby kicking before they sufacate the child and pull them out limb by limb and they hear the mother cry as they see it happen in real time. Theres nothing beauty in your soul for being ignorant. Many mothers chose to go against their doctors recommendation with maternal death risk and actually survived which made abortion doctors sound so stupid and greedy when it happens. We see animal give birth more often every year living a rough living and yet we dont see their pups mortality rate lower than that of humans and I wonder why is that. You are alive and old but you think that gives you more right than those who hasent got to live yet. You are so selfish and ignorant.

[@JoeLopez-l8z]

​@@PsychologyAttackYou know little about what you said. If you actually hear and see what ex-abortion doctors had to do to perform abortio, you would learn that many are OFTEN very alive enough that they can actual feel the baby kicking before they sufacate the child and pull them out limb by limb and they hear the mother cry as they see it happen in real time. Theres nothing smart about you for being ignorant. Many mothers chose to go against their doctors recommendation with maternal death risk and actually survived which made abortion doctors sound so stupid and greedy when it happens. We see animal give birth more often every year living a rough living and yet we dont see their pups mortality rate lower than that of humans and I wonder why is that. You are alive and old but you think that gives you more right than those who hasent got to live yet. You are so selfish and ignorant. Go watch a real documentary about abortion before you act like a doctor.

[@ninabooker2904]

Pure wisdom from a non college graduate but Matt does know his Bible, the source of true wisdom.

[@badatheist9948]

matt, nice big argument we have all herd before, what right do you have to determine another person's life.

[@ricksmith2134]

Well that was nonsensical! What right do any of us have to decide to end the lives of unborn children who can’t speak for or defend themselves.

[@wchenful]

Spoilers: He didn't end it. Still going 2023.

[@dehe82]

If I was raped, I wouldn't want the baby. And if done in the first trimester, why is this a problem, and why is it anyone's business but mine? This is where the pro argument doesn't stack up.

[@williammesquit5762]

I agree, he is right

[@Bryzenn]

The dependency on another person is the worst argument. Even after a baby is born it’s STILL DEPENDENT. No baby could be born, left alone and survive.

[@hexl702too5]

You apparently don’t know the difference between needing CARE (which anyone can provide)…. And needing someone’s BODY to live off of, using their blood, oxygen and internal organs… Only the pregnant woman can do that for a fetus…. but if she doesn’t want to, there’s not much we can do about it…. Unless we wanna act like dictators…. 

[@Orvulum]

My understanding is simply this: Some people feel that infanticide is justifiable under any circumstance, and that the decision should be entirely up to the mother... and of course such individuals typically display the signs of a largely unconscious process of rationalizing as to why such a thing does not actually constitute infanticide, that the human life involved isn't really human, or some such manner of rationalization. In the distant past, there were definitely scenarios in which infanticide would have occurred as a matter of survival for an entire band or tribe, in the context of critical resource scarcity... though obviously, such conditions do not currently exist. In any case, the level of cognitive dissonances involved in rationalizations for infanticide that we have been witness to... they are deafening!

[@meesterdinglefritz2064]

Really curious to hear from one of the very few that downvoted this video? Was there anything in particular they disagree with?

[@nazgulosmonalieva5162]

Me, for example. I don't think I should give birth to an unwanted child. There are so many cases in Asia and in my country when newborns are killed by their mothers. Or left on the streets and die from hunger, beaten up to death. In Afghanistan, young girls are raped by the Taliban and forced to give birth to expand the group, and children are killed for illegal organ transplants because of lack of proper medical care and hygiene; women try to make an abortion from untrustful and unlicensed entities, or even to make it by themselves, and end up dying or severely injured after that. Abortion can be banned in the States, but I don't think it should be banned in my country. I don't think some population is ready to take responsibility for not getting pregnant in the first place.

[@yellowtulip4105]

Uncooked ingredients aren't a cake; the matter of when personhood begins is debatable. Also, its innocence doesn't give a fetus priority over a born baby with a name or over woman whose life is in danger. So no, the matter is not yet settled.

[@20donaldtrump24]

agree with him 100%

[@vichomangiola]

He didn't "end the argument" at all. He didn't even addressed the actual argument. Noone has said a fetus is not alive. By his own definition of "living states", even a spermatozoid is alive. I'm sure he has killed more than 60 million of those. And regarding the debate about the autonomy of a person, he didn't gave an answer either. This doesn't end absolutely anything.

[@1Eagler]

Sperm's life expectancy is 3-5 days. Wherever it is

[@masterbateman2686]

Sperms are not humans

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

@@masterbateman2686 neither is the zygote, because it's just a tiny blob with no organs yet.

[@annroousivakumar2819]

Neither is the pre big bang universe. Because it is just a tiny blob with no significant galaxys yet.

[@curtisclayton8023]

The pro-life is flawed right from the start when they state that life begins at fertilization. Women's eggs become fertilized after the ejaculate reaches it. But not every fertilized eggs becomes a baby. Because under that logic, any woman who is sexually active and menstruating regularly is a serial killer

[@informedchoice2249]

Slaughter.. it's good that he uses objective language. Not really effective if you want to present an unbiased argument.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

I don't think he does

[@jessicameyer7247]

Great video! Logical and precise

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

His speech was excellent.

[@Demonizer5134]

I am pro-choice. I have a question for those of you who are pro-life: Hypothetically let's suppose someone was brought to the ER because their kidneys exploded through no fault of their own. They need someone to donate one of their kidneys to keep them alive, and it just so happens that you are the only person who has the type of kidney they need (remember, this is a hypothetical thought experiment). Do you think the government would have a right to step in and FORCE you to give up your kidney to keep this person alive? If you say no, they don't have that right, then by what principle do you believe the government can use force to make a woman carry an unwanted pregnancy?

[@hgrueber38]

Pro-life person here. I agree, the government has no right to demand you give up your organs. I assume you are referring to Judith Jarvis Thomson's violinist argument. In it, Judith argues that because it is morally acceptable to unplug yourself from the violinist, it is ok to "unplug" yourself from the fetus. That reasoning would stand if the two examples were relevantly parallel, but they aren't. 1. Abortion and unplugging oneself are very different in nature, with the former being the intentional killing of a healthy human organism, and the latter being leaving someone in their original state, which so happens to be dying. 2. Organs are not meant for giving. That's why we each have our own set of them. We can, through commendable charity, give them to someone else, but in terms of anatomical design, they are meant for us, and us alone to use. The uterus is different though. It is meant to be inhabited. That's its fundamental function. 3. The violinist argument paints the relationship between a mother and her offspring as a stranger/stranger relationship when it is actually a mother/child relationship. Parents have a moral (and legal) obligation to their children, as seen by child support or child neglect laws. In the violinist argument, what if the violinist was instead your two year old daughter? 4. Sex is fundamentally ordered towards procreation. Heterosexual intercourse comes with the very real potential of pregnancy. When you consent to an action you simultaneously consent to all of the potential repercussions or side effects (ex. when you get in your car to buy groceries, you consent to the possibility of being in a fatal accident). Back to point 3, we have a moral obligation to our offspring. 5. If Judith Jarvis Thomson's argument of refusal was accepted, it would be well within a mother's right to refuse to breast feed her child (assuming she had no access to formula and breast feeding was the only option), thereby starving it. There's a lot more to be said on this topic, so feel free to ask! If you are open to it, I would recommend watching some of Trent Horn's abortion discussions or video by Emily Geiger at the Equal Rights Institute! Hope this helps.

[@mattdickson627]

A kidney is your body, not someone else’s. The baby conceived in a woman’s womb is not her body, it just needs her body to grow and survive. Abortion is the intentional destruction of human life and is wrong and displeasing to God.

[@cowboys2218]

This honestly made my brain lose cells 😂. If the woman doesn’t want to have a baby then why is she having unprotected sex knowing the consequences that could come with it. It’s her own fault so she should have to deal with it.

[@ababahaja]

Stupidest argument I have EVER heard. But I appreciate the effort mate

[@IVBW-by8lf]

Completely different topic. What are you on about.

[@LozzieOutdoors]

I feel that it's the mothers choice on which she is physically and mentally ready to care for the child and that the mother should not be forced to carry the child because someone in the world thinks that abortion should be illegal no it's should be the mothers choice to do what feels right for her

[@viciousLUA]

Then maybe give up the baby for adoption? Or just try to be more responsible when it comes to having sex and using contraception. I became a mother at 19, I wanted to abort my baby. Then I saw her in an ultrasound and I realized she needs a chance at life. So I wanted to give her up for adoption but my parents forced me to have her basically. At the end of the day, I am glad as a woman, I took accountability and I became a mother. I can’t imagine life without my little sidekick. Sometimes, becoming mothers can better oneself and just who we need to move forward with our lives.

[@shreddedhominid1629]

@@viciousLUA How disgustingly selfish and short sighted of you to assume that every woman in the world is in the same situation as you. fuck off.

[@eviedp1]

I feel that it's the mother's choice if she is physically & mentally able to care for her 2 month old infant and 3 year old toddler. She shouldn't be forced to care for her children by giving them food and shelter just because someone thinks that neglecting them or killing them should be illegal. It should be her choice to do what feels right to her.

[@michaeljamesgilfedder8103]

​@@eviedp1 you use the word 'feel' twice. Should we as human beings just do whatever 'feels' right? Is there no objective right or wrong? Should I be allowed to walk into a school and shoot people because I 'feel' like it? Feelings come and go. I sympathise with mothers who become pregnant and are facing difficulties but there is practical help and moral support out there for them. Or adoption is an option. Is abortion really the best we can offer women?

[@cowboys2218]

If she knows that she isn’t mentally and physically capable to take care of a child then why would she have unprotected sex? If she’s responsible enough to do that then she obviously knows the consequences of it so she can deal with it.

[@Empire4Liberty]

The phenomenon of abortion, particularly as it pertains to the reproductive choices of Black women, can be paralleled with the geopolitical dynamics between the Middle East and the United States. This comparison invites a critical examination of how external influences and internal policies intersect to shape societal outcomes.

[@maxxam3590]

How is it moral to force a female (and I say "female" because if I say "woman" I would be leaving out pregnant children) to remain pregnant when they don't want to be pregnant? How do you deal with the medical need for abortion? Say, in cases of ectopic pregnancies?

[@barrytaylor4865]

Ectopic pregnancies are not viable

[@zumizoom6676]

Ectopic pregnancies are non-viable.

[@pcdeltalink036]

The way I've explained it to people is that the moment that sperm and egg meet that is no longer the mother's DNA and it is no longer the father's DNA. It is a unique and different individual and you do NOT have the right to dictate whether that individual lives or dies. For pregnancies that arise from normal/typical means (consensual sex) I'd say it's a case of "You knew the risks so act like an adult and deal with the consequences." For other cases such as nonconsensual I would still say the baby should live. It is NOT the child's fault what happened to the mother. The child should NEVER be punished for the crimes of the father. Ectopic pregnancies are a medical emergency that would endanger the mother's life and they are not comparable to normal pregnancies. On top of that, the baby would not survive 9 months growing in the fallopian tube. It's not made to house a growing baby. In such cases, the baby is doomed from the start either way. Untreated either the baby would die or the mother would die leading to the baby dying anyway.

[@maxxam3590]

@@pcdeltalink036 So you think it's an actual person from conception?

[@pcdeltalink036]

@@maxxam3590 Yes, yes I do.

[@studygodsword5937]

Like a caged animal being slaughtered, the baby is frantically trying to avoid been torn apart by a giant vacuum!

[@7spade7]

I think I'm going to throw up.

[@chicana323scla]

Fredd smith this is my argument against abortion, at the point the brain forms and the fetus feels pain. They can feel their limbs being torn from their bodies, and they squeal and cry inside the womb, they run and try to hide trying to cling to life. If only a scientist did a study and tell us exactly when the fetus starts to feel pain and if they feel all that pain the in the womb, the pro abortion argument would be barbaric and immoral. Religion or God has nothing to do with this, it’s a moral Issue, is our society ok with torturing a fetus in the womb while they are torn to pieces?...that is the real question...

[@studygodsword5937]

@@chicana323scla Planned Parenthood does everything they can to crush those kind of studies! One study they actually bought, so they could sue anybody that talked about it!

[@aemzso]

Fetuses do not actively try to avoid being aborted.

[@studygodsword5937]

@@aemzso why do you think that a worker is forbidden from letting the patient from seeing the ultrasound? I understand how cold-hearted you are but it's a baby!

[@melvinhunt6976]

Question? If a woman can murder her son/daughter in the womb or now outside the womb, then when that child grows up to be a druggie or a kid who actually has its mother afraid for their life (happens in hundreds of thousands of homes), why is it illegal for that woman to kill their own kid ? Stupid Question? Of course it is but so is murdering a baby because she couldn’t control herself! Rape and Incest is like 1 percent of an argument!

[@Dr_Procrastinator]

spoiler alert... he in fact, does not end this debate.

[@joelbeske1504]

Someone should suit Planned Parenthood for human rights abuses against the unborn. Better yet, file criminal charges against them.

[@wylier]

Why don't you do it then?

[@janeewaynee]

If a person (embryo, fetus..whatever) needs my organs/body to live, then I'm the only one who can choose. It's actually that simple.

[@xae999]

then don't have have unprotected sex its that simple ''unless you have a medical condition are have been rapped'' having sex is a responsibility not just some fun activity.

[@janeewaynee]

@@xae999 How you get pregnant is irrelevant to the abortion discussion.

[@kingorange7739]

@@janeewaynee it’s completely relevant

[@ssj4gogeta130]

watt malsh, unironically is a prime example of why abortion should be legalised!

[@ricksmith2134]

And you are a prime example of why we all need Jesus.

[@cidlunius1076]

I agree with the points expressed in this video. And I understand that abortions are really just a matter of convenience and any "justice" is an excuse, but I also believe that abortions will continue to exist. So I think that we still need this safer procedure to exist and just reach a middle ground where the majority can agree on what is the line that shouldn't be shoved around by goal posting. Otherwise you'll just get clothes hangers and poisonous methods becoming popularized instead. I don't care for an argument that absolutely says yes or no on this issue, because abortions will continue to happen wether you like them or not. Stressing morals and getting rid of this infectious attitude that children can simply be destroyed. If you make more people conscious you can mitigate this, but removing it is an impossibility and should NEVER be the goal. Human desires will never allow either side to have a total victory without descending into tyranny.

[@grrinc]

Abortion will always exist in the same way as murder will always exist. There is no middle ground to be found. No innocent, defenseless human life is up for negotiation.

[@youngvisionaryent.2759]

There will always be people who break every law. The goal is to set a moral standard and limit the behavior, not eliminate it altogether.

[@pacificchick8750]

@@grrinc yup. And yes, we may even go back to the days of wire coat hangers. In my book, if a woman wants to kill that baby bad enough to risk her own life, go for it.

[@talongreenlee7704]

I agree to a certain degree. As others have said, there will be people who seek abortions out of convenience the same way that there are other kinds of murder out of convenience. That should be criminalized, and in my opinion, punishable by death. However, there are extremely rare circumstances in which surgical abortion is necessary, although not nearly to the degree that it’s practiced currently, I would like to point out. It needs to be classified as an ER procedure, like stitches to close a wound, not an elective procedure like Botox. There are birth defects that are thankfully extremely rare that, for example, cause a baby to be created in the womb with an incomplete skull. I don’t think we should have jagged bone fragments coming out of a woman’s birth canal only to have the baby killed because the birth canal squeezed its unprotected brain to the point of killing it, so abortion is a logical, relatively safe procedure in such an instance. I think that needs to be legal. But legal abortion needs to be the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. The murder of over 60 million unborn babies in America will be remembered alongside the Nazi Holocaust and the Communist Gulags.

[@pacificchick8750]

@@talongreenlee7704 jagged bone fragments? When has this happened?!

[@FINTZZZ]

If men were the baby carriers the pro life message would be even louder. How can it be a "woman's own choice" if the little developing baby girl is killed in the womb by abortion.. where's her choice??

[@KurNorock]

These are the arguments I have been making for the last 20+ years. I've been waiting for somebody in the public eye to finally make the same arguments instead of just quoting the Bible or conceding that zygotes and fetuses aren't people "but will become one".

[@bulletanarchy6447]

They are all fundamentally incorrect

[@KurNorock]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Just saying "Yeah well you're wrong" is not an argument.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@KurNorock Good you are alive Saying "it is always wrong" to do something doesn't make that true. The fact his position is so simple means it is so simple to make it collapse because by proving anything he says to be incorrect brings that whole argument down. So he will talk about what pro abortion people will say to attack his simple premise which is an immediate misrepresentation. Being pro abortion means you are in favour of that outcome for all pregnancies when most people are fairly indifferent to the outcome of pregnancies, the interest is in the outcome of those pregnancies being what the pregnant woman wants. There are two main arguments for the availability of abortion 1 That the level of development is not sufficient for it to have the rights of a born child 2 That there are no rights to live inside someone against their wishes Matt Walsh tries to undermine what pro choice will say about the first argument, that it is dehumanising. Human reproduction is a process where a physical part of a woman separates and becomes another person therefore there is always going to be a point before which it is not going to be considered separate. How does a non sentient thing make moral claims for itself ? It doesn't, other people make moral claims for it. Should we spend time on the notion that a human ovum is not human ? The expectations he throwing at pro choice he could not himself address for his own position. Saying "It is a scientific fact the being in the womb is a being, a living being." doesn't make that description scientifically accurate. Then back to all living things have to be a member of some species or another. Yes a human ovum is of the human species. No intelligent person argues that an unborn is not of the species human. They argue that it is not "A human" because it has yet to separate or achieve criteria that would make it deemed separate. Matt Walsh is trying to give the impression that his own stance does not ever have to deem the ovum as not "a human" Answer the questions for an ovum, is it alive, dead or inanimate ? Has he settled that argument ? No Saying that it is not a person is really just a way of saying that it is not considered separate and individual yet. This criteria cannot be applied to a born person, it categorically does not implicate more than just the unborn. It is a reproductive development has not yet reached a stage to be considered separate from what will be its maternal parent. Gestation withing the internal reproductive organs of a pregnant woman is not comparable to infirm or dependent people. It is a personal choice by someone who it uniquely affects, the pregnant woman. An infirm person is not inside my body as far as I am aware. What does it matter if my opinion of someone is that they are not wholly as much as a person as me? I am not personally required to be responsible for their entry into the world. The personhood is innate, not inherent, an unborn has an age of less than zero, the number of children you have increases by an integer at birth, the foundation of modern principles revolves around birth. Our country doesn't revolve around abortion being made illegal. The human rights belong to the pregnant woman, the developing fetus within her is part of her human rights. Her right to be pregnant, her right not to be sexually molested or raped, impregnated against her will, her right to body autonomy, her right to decide if gestation is what she wants to happen and is going to continue. Every ovum is unique, it's part of what makes your siblings genetically different, do ova have inherent value, probably not, because every woman has a million ova. Potentially a woman could have only one ovum left, does that then have inherent value ? to her it might. That is an argument. The arguments of Matt Walsh do not stand up.

[@Namato360]

​@@bulletanarchy6447Prove it.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@Namato360 Prove you read what I wrote

[@rp3804]

Tell that to a rape or incest victim. Or, better yet, tell that to a 12 year old that has just been raped.

[@georgepierson4920]

How many abortions were done because of rape or incest?

[@rp3804]

@@georgepierson4920 Mine would had been. The rapist did not get me pregnant. Now, any questions?

[@untype3992]

​​@@rp3804Does the life of a human being in his mother's womb suddenly have less value because his father is a r@p!st ?

[@untype3992]

​​​@@rp3804Does the life of a innocent human being in his mother's womb suddenly have less value because their father is a criminal ?

[@milendimitrov3250]

Hey guys, interesting topic. As an European, I’m very interested by the American logic. In America, they are either very left or very right oriented people, theres a very small room for middle ground. I’m very happy to be european, because I think we are indeed the middle ground of the Putin and Kim jong regeames, the China social system, and the gun wielding americans. Me and all the people that are surrounding me believe in logic. There are a lot of things that I share with far right oriented americans, but the abortion topic isn’t one of them. That doesnt make me the other side or any. If me and Matt Walsh sit on a table, being filmed with cameras, most probably he would win the debate, solely because he is just a better debater than myself, however, he would not change my mind even in the first argument he stated. I think the core of the argument is that pro-life people want the human population to grow, however, they know that there are good and bad people. Hopefully you agree that most (there are exceptions of course) , but the vast majority of bad people come from uneducated and abusive families, solely for that reason, I don’t think that having a child should be a right, it should be a privilage for those who deserve it. You shouldnt be allowed a children if you cannot afford it’s basic needs, you shouldnt be allowed to own a children if you have psychological problems etc.

[@NerdinessD]

me too yeah

[@prithvishbanerjee6922]

If that is true, are we saying that accidental miscarriages are also man slaughter? Why should a woman being raped not have the right to not be a mother is she doesn't want to? Why do we want to give birth to all accidental pregnancies as well? The family structure all around the world is already broken. Millions of children have no one to take care of them. Why do we want to creat more broken families? Matt always makes it a point to define terms. What is a woman? Right? An adult female human. What is a human? A person who can cry, sleep, laugh and see the light outside the world, with a pair of lungs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 legs, a nose etc etc. The population of the world is already 7 billion. And a vast proportion of them are struggling. We really do not need to bring in even more people if their parents themselves are not able to take care of them. The 3 months in which an abortion is allowed is actually to make a decision whether the particular being can be allowed to become a human and see the outer world. And that decision needs to be the parents' decision and the family's. Not the government's.. and not Matt's as well.

[@wooeidikd9412]

You have not ended anything. In fact you just started the debate not ended.

[@MazzarothVsZodiac-fy1my]

Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

[@benjamintrevino325]

There isn't a pro abortion argument. There is a pro choice argument. Be that as it may, here we are four years removed from this video and Matt hasn't ended anything. Matt is either: A) A liar who doesn't really believe abortion is murder and is just virtue signaling to his audience, or B) A coward. What else do you call someone who knows where babies are being murdered, but doesn't take the time to go there and try to stop it?

[@lucad9667]

At it's earliest stage, what may develop into a full baby is only a single cell. Nothing more, nothing less. And somewhere along the way is that shift from barely an inconvenience to murder. Early on, the developing cells are no more alive than a tree. Would you call killing a tree murder? Would you mourn it? Hold a funeral for it?

[@axelfirestorm2080]

The preborn baby develops extremely rapidly. By the time a woman typically finds out she's pregnant, the baby is already well on its way to being visually recognizable as such. And is quite alive. Why do you worship convenience?

[@lucad9667]

@@axelfirestorm2080 Even still, it is not fully human. Also, why would I worship convenience? I am not religious, I don't worship anything. On the contrary, I think that religion often stands in the way of a nuanced perspective.

[@axelfirestorm2080]

​@@lucad9667 Worship as in you make it more important than anything else. And yes, an unborn baby IS fully human. His or her DNA isn't anything BUT human. I can still remember seeing my older son's first ultrasound with his mom. He was small but definitely looked like a baby, even at only 8 weeks or so. He was rolling around and everything. Now he's almost 18 and a happy young man.

[@lucad9667]

@@axelfirestorm2080 Great for him, but that's just one example. There are plenty of others where abortion should be an acceptable solution. Recklessly sleeping without protection all the way up to rape, there are plenty of reasons, and it is no ones business but the mother's what to do in that situation.

[@vietthanhnguyen3443]

But what if it was unwanted pregnancy in cases of being raped or something. And the mothers don't want to raise or even have the capability to raise the kids. Bringing a child into a world like that is even worse. And if abortion is banned completely, many people who want to abort but can't go through a proper facility may resort in extreme and unsafe methods. And there are many cases of mothers abandoning their newborn babies leaving them to death. So lt is inhumane to abort a fetus but it is humane to let them live in this life without the support they need?A child should have the life worthliving and be born a welcoming family. Im just saying banning abortion completely won't solve the problems but rather escalate it. Yes it is inhumane to do abortion even if it is a fetus. But we do have to consider the rights of the unborn deserving a worthwhile life and the mother as well. Instead of banning abortion completely. Why not focusing on sex ed, childcare and pregnancy rights to ensure when a pregnancy happens it is wanted and the unborn with welcomed into a welldeserving life

[@lulu_0116]

If we give personhood to the fetus, then like anyone else they can not use their mothers body with out consent. Pregnancy is hard and should not be forced onto those who are not up to it, that's inhumane

[@Stephanopoulosaugustus]

Take responsibility & be celibate then.

[@Boaz833]

Abortion is about equality for everyone. A woman should not be forced to put her body through a pregnancy for the same reason a man should not be forced to donate an organ or marrow or even a tiny bit of blood to save a dying child.

[@hgrueber38]

You are assuming those two scenarios are the equivalent though. They aren't. Abortion is the intentional killing of a living and healthy fetus, whereas refusal to donate an organ is leaving someone in their original state, which so happens to be dying. Not to mention biological differences. The uterus is an organ designed for housing another being. Your kidney is not. Your kidney is designed for you to use (though you could be charitable and choose to give it someone). If you are interested you may want to look into Trent Horn's abortion conversations on yt.

[@Boaz833]

@@hgrueber38 they are equivalent in the sense of bodily autonomy. A man and woman make the same choices, but only a woman has to put her body through a 9 month's medical and life-threatening ordeal that includes massive weight gain swollen hands and feet, hemorrhoids, gas bloating fatigue constipation limited movement, and let's not forget the hours of pain associated with labor and risk of death, not to mention postpart pregnancy symptoms such as vaginal tearing or possible prolapse, incontinencs, postpartum depression or psychosis etc, while the man who made the same exact choices as she did does not even have to donate a tiny bit of blood to the baby if it was dying and needed it. How is that equal?

[@ababahaja]

​@@Boaz833 By making this argument you are imparting blame onto the fundamental inherent differences in biology.

[@mxiivx7610]

​@@ababahajabingo!!!

[@hexl702too5]

@@ababahaja How could we do this to you?…. Which one of YOUR organs can be requisitioned and controlled by the state….. in the same way you think a woman’s uterus should be?…. your heart, lungs, liver?… When can the state usurp your body autonomy and physical Liberty, and you just shut up and take it?…..

[@ZARK0_]

Ill play devils advocate. NOT FULLY MY BELIEFS: Simply because something is "living" does not mean its on the same standard as humans, trees and bugs are living yet we kill them easily, and the philosophical reason why humans are on the next standard of life and don't deserve to be killed (high intelligence, ability to use logic and reason, our ability to point out and preserve highly sophisticated patterns, our 5 senses, the happiness we cause others, and our subjected consciousness) are all not present for most of the fetus' development. I will also point out SOME people on the right are quick to forget their values in protecting innocent life as soon as a drone strike or civilian casualty rates gets brought up, then all of a sudden excuses to justify the death of innocent people are plentiful, so the whole "abortions bad because it kills an innocent, and that's never justified" does not really work for lots of conservatives who justify the loss of actual born children in the name of patriotism, or say "shouldn't of been resisting arrest" when a innocent black man is shot... Once again this clearly does not include all conservatives, some do actually practice what they preach about protecting the innocent, but so many are hypocrites when it comes to abortion

[@neorock6135]

🤣 😂 Yea "he ended it once & for all" so well, that even Republicans in Ruby Red states like Kansas vote down abortion bans

[@lizbethy3214]

A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said: 'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 year old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.' So the doctor said: 'Ok and what do you want me to do?' ... She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this.' The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.' She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request. Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.' The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!' 'I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be OK with it, so I thought maybe that was the best solution.' The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point. He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb. The crime is the same! Love says, 'I sacrifice myself for the good of the other person.' Abortion says, 'I sacrifice the other person for the good of myself.'

[@fabba4]

The doctor in your story is not a doctor that thinks about the persons wellbeing, he is saying "...it's less dangerous for you too" - going through childbirth is much more dangerous than having an abortion. In the US, between 1998-2010, 16.8 million women went through with an abortion and only 108 women died, that is a mortality rate of 0.7 per 100,000 abortions. However, in 2021, 33 died for every 100,000 childbirths in the US, and the number was doubled for black women. If the procedure of abortion is made safer for women - with better health care, it is much safer for women to terminate a pregnancy if the woman feels like she wont be able to make it (economically or mentally) after the baby is born. In your story abortion says "I sacrifice my wellbeing for feeling better in the future and making sure I can take care of my child who is currently in my arms". Abortion is a sad thing, but might be necessary to make sure that the woman will survive.

[@bonbonpony]

@@fabba4 So where was she where she were able to actually make that decision herself, that is, during conception? If one is agreeing to have sex, the natural consequence of which _may_ be pregnancy, I think that one is not in a position of arguing that one didn't bring it upon oneself. If one is afraid of the "dangers" of pregnancy, one shouldn't be doing things that may lead to pregnancy, don't you think? And the argument that pregnancy might be life-endangering to the mother and therefore abortion is justified, has no leg to stand either, because nature made sure that procreation happens and prolonging the existence of a species happens, sometimes even at the cost of the mother's health, or even her life. Did you know that the organism of a mother would produce milk needed to feed the infant even at the cost of her own physical health? If it needs calcium to produce milk, but it cannot take it with the mother's diet, it will take it from the mother's own bones to provide it for the infant, because apparently the infant surviving is more important to nature than the mother surviving. Of course we're talking about extremities here, because in a normal situation the mother wants a child and prepares for the pregnancy upfront, to provide her child everything it might need. And if she loves her child, she would sacrifice everything for the child, even her own life, because that's what love is about. (And I'm not saying that she should, all I'm saying that she most likely would.)

[@fabba4]

@@bonbonpony First of all; thanks for replying great points! I appreciate you taking your time :) It is true that sex comes with the natural consequence of becoming pregnant, but a lot of people practice safe sex and still end up getting themselves pregnant, they did bring it on themselves but it was nothing they were expecting, much less wanting. We live in cultures where sex can be a way of showing affection between partners, so should we stop having sex except for when we want to procreate? Nature sure did make sure we can procreate, but humans do take a great toll during pregnancy and childbirth, even sometimes bigger than other animals do - nature isn't perfect. And to say that nature made it this way and we have to live with it is weird to me, we have human intervention in so many other health related things making sure we survive, things that in nature is completely normal. I do know that milk production takes a toll on the mother, and therefore we invented breast milk substitutes. But if we go back to the story that Liz wrote, the scenario the doctor proposes isn't making it better for the mother. The scenario is making it just much worse, both physically and mentally.

[@bonbonpony]

@@fabba4 What I meant is that even with "safe sex", one should be mature enough to at least be ready to handle potential consequences and take responsibility for one's actions, because that's what being adult is all about. But people these days would rather like to eat the cake and still have the cake; take just what they want, and ignore all the rest. That's very immature, especially if it involves killing an innocent being for one's selfish reasons.

[@shapiromediationllc2522]

Liz Betty, Well said!

[@PippaMarks]

Bravo Matt 👏🏼 Thank you 🙏🏻

[@MattGarcyaDC]

no prob

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Yeah nice try