John MacArthur | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 29

Pastor John MacArthur joins Ben to discuss the intersection of the Bible and politics, the proper role of government, and the similarities and differences between Judaism and Christianity.
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[@chriss9794]

This interview is one of the best I've seen. I live in Israel and its already happening jewish people are founding Jesus including me and my whole family. There are already a lot of communities all over Israel praising Jesus. Please pray for Israel. Even the word Yeshua (Jesus in hebrew) means salvation. Can It be more obvious!?

[@scottm4042]

I do pray blessings to you and your family, and may Jesus be praised!

[@andrewstaines3247]

Amazing to hear this!

[@cjgitruh7476]

Welcome to the family of God Chriss! Your news is so exciting and encouraging. I constantly pray for Israel and the jewish people. I pray for the lost to know Jesus all over this dark and lost world.

[@Layleena77]

❤❤❤

[@sb4759]

Wonderful to read your testimony. God Richly bless you.

[@bobbyrobby3600]

Let's give Ben Shapiro a hand for allowing Dr. John MacArthur to be on his show and without wasting time arguing with him. A gracious host.

[@Hyperslob]

Right on Ben, excellent interview!

[@Ott0matic]

It's hard to argue against someone speaking the truth, but nonetheless I agree that ben was totally nonconfrontational and gracious.

[@Redkurtain]

Yes. My respect for both men has skyrocketed. Respect for MacArthur for not pulling any punches and just laying the Gospel out like a righteous carpet-bomb. And respect for Ben for not interjecting, “course-correcting,” or otherwise trying to restrict the guest’s responses. That is an unbelievable amount of self control IMO. Good on both of them.

[@AP-bo1if]

IMHO, speaking as a theist, MacArthur is doing Christianity extreme harm. for one, this idea that "biblical Christians" should be good ol boys and let the government and other institutions do whatever they want, even if it violates their individual rights, is complete horseshit. coincidentally, this watered down "Jesus in enough" version of Christianity is killing Christianity. it won't survive the test of time as it will not survive the forces of secularism, liberalism and Islamism. I'm sorry, but it needs to die. become a Catholic today and become a MAN of God, not a coward. Catholicism is the TRUE form of Christianity with thousands of years of tradition and theology. do not listen to these "biblical Christians", they're liars for the state.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,

[@bobbyrobby3600]

@@AP-bo1if Dr. John MacArthur would say the same thing at any time, you see the word of God which is the Bible does not change. Doctor MacArthur has no reason to change it. Jesus protects his church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. So unless the Lord comes back tomorrow, you'll be long dead and Christianity will still be in its full power.

[@PaperGrape]

The pure truth. Unashamed of the Gospel. As always. Ben knew he would hear preaching when he invited him on. So huge props to him for still doing it 😂

[@mariajaena2010]

fake pure truth... denying the MANY errors, inconsistent claims, and hi-jacked pick-and-choose mistranslated and misinterpreted verses in the greek / roman xtian new testament from the Authentic Hebrew Bible... not-to-mention yet the long history and numerous violence and anti-semitism implied and produced in history until now Against the "pharisees" or the Faithful Devoted Holy Orthodox Jewish Scholars Sages Learned in Ancient Original Holy Hebrew Language, Tradition & Practices from conception until their passing.

[@user-zb5io8rg8w]

I’m sure he needed it. It’s a jungle out there.

[@hellotheremyolfriend]

@@user-zb5io8rg8w indeed, so much chaos in this world

[@Mofoshow]

fool

[@PaperGrape]

@@Mofoshow yet here you are listening to it, baha

[@bdgiri4735]

As a Christian who loves the Jewish people, thank you Ben and Pastor John for an amazing conversation. May God be with you both always.

[@TRUTHJUSTICELIBERTY4ALL-eq4zk]

I love All people and I'm pretty sure you would agree that you do also.

[@JamesTaylor-on9nz]

Friendly reminder that, according to the teachings of the Talmud (Jewish scripture), Jesus is being boiled in excrement in gehenna (Jewish version of hell). It also teaches that Mary was an adulterous prostitute who was impregnated by a Roman officer, Jesus being the lovechild of that relationship. Christians should NOT be friendly with religious Jews. They despise Christians and everything Christianity stands for.

[@joeshmoe7317]

Jewish people think you’re cattle

[@user-td2xc1cc5u]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIfLh5apipt4Y5osi=6461uRrnd_9x8B1p

[@brandone.5106]

Props to the pastor for not compromising the gospel. Props to Ben for hearing him out. God bless.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

@Boerboel 1652 May God judge you quickly on your ignorance

[@wisevirgin3405]

Too bad MacArthur did not tell Ben he has no Savior. Why do you think MacArthur did not tell Ben the truth?

[@wisevirgin3405]

@Boerboel 1652 Too bad MacArthur did not tell Ben he has no Savior. Why do you think MacArthur did not tell Ben the truth?

[@dathip]

@Boerboel 1652 he also claimed that you can take the mark of the beast and go to heaven which absolute heresy.

[@65krishna43]

Harry CallahanX the church does surpass the state of isreal

[@John3-19]

I'm longing for the day when Ben will accept his Messiah and witness our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Peace and blessings from India.

[@matthiasbates9660]

I can't say this with certainty, but I'm not sure Ben ever will be saved. God rarely allows his elect to become as successful (in terms of wealth and fame) as Ben has become. But yes, hopefully he will one day believe on Christ regardless.

[@adamthestimator]

It may be that he will once we are taken out of the way, and he is preached to by his own people instead of by loving Christians like brother MacArthur. (Revelation 14)

[@HelloOrganics]

This may sound crazy or unbelievable but a few week ago I was praying for Ben to come to know Christ.

[@CliveChamberlain946]

@@matthiasbates9660 Dude, I like J-Mac too, but layoff of the kool-aid. If you want to know exegetically who the Elect are, check out *Beyond The Fundamentals - What They've Been Hiding From Ephesians 1:4 * It is Calvinistic determinism that has taught you that you have no free-will (not the Bible). Also, the head of Apologetic's at Texas Baptist Seminary, Dr. Leighton Flowers has been debating James White and other "high Calvinists" and one by one they are falling in debates (no, MacArthur is not one of them..). It's also worth noting, Determinism is taught in Islam and Hinduism.

[@matthiasbates9660]

@@joneseskid2326 I know, but the Bible tells us that God chooses the lowly and despised things of this world, and I happen to notice that Ben is neither of those. Time will tell though.

[@omac3553]

Absolutely Godsmacked by how perfect John's words were, thank you Holy Spirit.

[@snappyjo4642]

John as usual does really well until he gets into Christian history, then he looks silly. His hate for the Church Christ founded unbalances him to the point of blabbering in cycles of self congratulation.

[@denysecoop7356]

@@snappyjo4642 I’m not sure how you get that from what John said, when all he’s doing is spreading the very same message that Jesus brought to the world. Basing your church on biblical doctrine, and nothing but biblical doctrine, is exactly what the first churches taught.

[@wabalubadubdubdub]

@@snappyjo4642 alot of churches have his message so wrong I would not blame him. Just because they claim to follow jesus does not mean they do.

[@snappyjo4642]

@@wabalubadubdubdub that is true that there are many thousands of Protestant churches and came out of the Reformation that do not follow the whole of scripture and sacred tradition.

[@carolynenochs9139]

@@snappyjo4642 Is your account name self congratulatory? No, Dr. MacArthur has a breath of knowledge and wisdom as well as deep discernment in his almost mid-eighties; particularly Church history. Church history isn’t our primary source the Bible itself is. Every jot and tittle will come to pass and we go to God in Jesus’ name for all our needs. He is our Lord and high Priest.💜

[@theojones2593]

Pastor John’s personal message to Ben is so kind and loving but firm, brought tears to my eyes just how blessed we are to have Pastor John

[@katiakishta4008]

This is what happens when people with opposing views have a conversation based on intelligence and not out of emotions.

[@9577frasier]

I smell a brain on someone

[@thomasfholland]

Katia Kishta A truthful observation that we shouldn’t forget.

[@jjkim9477]

Agreed

[@joshuamitchell5481]

U bet

[@gregjames3001]

Very well said, And I don't even disagree with you. : )

[@gtrzdaddy]

I love how John MacArthur always points to the gospel of Christ!

[@randycadkins]

Me too, praise God for the Gospel of Jesus, the Way, Truth, and Life. I love how John said ill always be saying the same thing!

[@thomasfholland]

Amen!

[@jaydee4777]

Never swerves from it.

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

I heartily agree but I must ask: what other true Gospel is there?

[@ROBERTO415]

Zerubbable Stranger Only one.

[@davidm5695]

It is December 27, 2023, more than 5 years since this episode was recorded/released, and 100% still relevant and I am very much enriched having listened to it. Thank you Ben for introducing me to Pastor John

[@LisaMeredithShahNoble]

It's the 30th of Dec 2023, now. And I'm listening from Oz (Australia) Love and respect these guys.

[@jesusisking1-v6v]

Jan 6 2024 .great conversation

[@JamesMagill89]

Jan 9 here in nz fams God bless

[@mnelisigasa9565]

January 12th in South Africa. God bless both these men. And God shoe Ben the way, the truth and the light!

[@AotearoaAnge]

23 Jan 2024 in Napier, New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@esthermajek6958]

What a beautiful example of mutual respect and conversation with differing opinions that was humble and honourable! And that’s what you call gentlemen folks!! I pray for Ben to find Jesus amen 🙏🏼

[@christopherdebarr5912]

"I've never defended the Bible, I just preached it." My favorite quote from this video.

[@strykerist]

@Nok Ko have you actually read it?

[@kevinradish2219]

simantics

[@WalkingRoscoe]

@@kevinradish2219 *semantics.

[@haroldharvey5220]

@@kevinradish2219gggg

[@haroldharvey5220]

I can't believe they are not related,😁 grandpa to grandson.

[@StevenBancarz]

This is a win for the Kingdom. Just hearing that Gospel preached.

[@josuerivera7921]

Steven Bancarz Hey 👋 Steven!

[@Ioannikios174]

Steven! Great to see you on here! Ikr? This is so exciting!

[@stephanieg3820]

Amen! Love this

[@mariakarla3200]

Yessssssssss!

[@edgardocontrerasjr]

@@imajitube why do you think that?

[@bcre8of]

Praying God will open Ben’s eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ. Wonderful conversation, thank you Ben & John!

[@user-so4vn7oh1r]

Amen🙏🏼

[@user-zb5io8rg8w]

Me too

[@Lil.WeirdoLulu88]

❤ absolutely Amen

[@chrisottenstroer7202]

John oozes the Gospel. Found myself praying for Ben throughout!

[@jeremysmith9694]

Wow. If Christianity doesn't offend it's not Christianity. I love that. It's apparent this man is willing to take a stand. Something few in today's world are willing to do out of fear of offense. That's a good message.

[@Refresh5406]

MacArthur has been faithfully taking a stand for 40+ years. Completely unflinching in the face of adversity.

[@LeenaStark]

My moment of _shock_ came at 1:01:40 where he states that the God of the Muslim's is NOT the same God as the one of the Jews & Christians. ( _I hope we dont have yet another __#CharlieHebdo__ on our hands over this statement, it doesnt take much for this lot to go off_ )

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@Refresh5406 wow. That's cool. I had never heard of him before this. Seems like a great man. Good for him.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@LeenaStark yeah he said some pretty bold things. I like that.

[@Refresh5406]

Definitely do yourself a favor and listen to his preaching and speaking (and check out his writing while you're at it). He's taken on tons of heretical movements head-on throughout his lifetime without any backing down whatsoever.

[@ianesy]

I am Christian myself. Due to conflicting perspectives with Pastor MacArthur regarding spiritual gifts, I assumed he was not worth listening to. Talk about narrow-minded Christian. This episode truly humbled me, and turned my view on him upside-down. To fight 60 plus years of one's life just to 'offend everyone,' he must have an infallible conviction. Truthfulness, gentleness, compassion, and humility he carries for the entire talk was overwhelming to say the least. Thank you so much Mr. MacArthur for being simple and loving, and yet never compromising for the Truth. This episode made me subscribe to the Daily Wire for the rest of the show. Thank you very much Mr. Shapiro. God bless.

[@bettertimes2764]

Brother I completely understand. The Lord helped me in a lot of understanding concerning our issue. Just know that what is true in love is always the Lords and we are mere finite human beings. We don't have to accept all doctrines and we can disagree on "points" that are not so clear and straight forward. I can only say so much, but there are two people on "opposite poles" who I believe are devoubt Christians who helped me to see this better. Dr. James White(Calvinist) & Dr. Mike Brown(Penticostle).. Lets encourage people to elders of the faith, & teach to love and reason when we agree or disagree. A small but great example these to gentlemen displayed.

[@jasonmartin8467]

@@bettertimes2764 I agree with Dr James White and Dr Michael Brown are an incredible example of a friendship as well as brotherly love within the body while having different views on certain parts of doctrine.

[@JJvideoman]

These comments :)

[@CliveChamberlain946]

@@jasonmartin8467 I see that in Andy Woods and Mike WInger

[@superkatertot5425]

Wow, that's amazing Ian yoon. You have true humility, kuddos.

[@redishman]

Congrats to Ben for following through with this in an elegant, humble way. Never saw anyone answering and explaining Jesus better than this guy. I would be amazed if deep down Ben doesn’t have questions and thoughts about this and I am looking forward to the day Ben and other people accept Jesus as the only way to the Father.

[@virtuousxvillain2703]

Amazing interview!!! I loved how John broke down the book of Isaiah to incapsulate the entire Bible with Jesus being at the exact point!

[@crazysteve9390]

One of the things I love about MacArthur is he says the same things no matter who he's talking to. Years ago, when he made a series of appearances on CNN with Larry King, his message was exactly the same. He is a rock of consistency, which I imagine a Gospel preacher must be. Great interview, two very intelligent men.

[@wisevirgin3405]

Too bad MacArthur did not tell Ben he has no Savior. Why do you think MacArthur did not tell Ben the truth?

[@crazysteve9390]

Wise Virgin 1:07:06 - 1:07:44 , contextualized by the rest of the hour-plus conversation. I honestly can't see how you can say what you're saying.

[@C.S.Sperry]

He does have a Saviour, as do all of us who are Jews. His name is Yeshua. He just may not have realised it yet.

[@justinz9225]

@@wisevirgin3405 Did you not watch the video? He made it pretty crystal clear that Jesus is the only way of salvation and that the Jews falsely deny him. Can't ask for a more clear exposition of the gospel message honestly.

[@adamthestimator]

@@wisevirgin3405 As we all should, brother MacArthur offends with truth, not action or accusation. As Phillip did for the Eunich, and Jesus himself did with the two disciples on the road to Emaus, brother MacArthur took Ben through the Old Testament that he (Ben) believes and solidly landed those prophecies and foreshadows of Jesus' position as Messiah and King in the New Testament. He didn't need to poke Ben in the eye for him to get the point. That would not only offend, but turn away someone who is intelligent enough to see the truth, though his eyes may be blinded right now (Romans 11:7+8, 25+26). God Bless You...

[@David_Watts]

The level of mutual respect these two have for each other was absolutely RADIANT.... It poured out immensely and we are richer for it

[@jonathanezekiel6676]

Certainly

[@zsaklong4619]

Indubitably

[@laurao8099]

Yes! Well said

[@ricomarillo2569]

Eph. 4:5-6 5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6) One God and Father of all, and through all, and in you all.

[@luciejeantremblay2090]

Well said

[@anthonybidja1002]

Watched from Cameroon 🇨🇲 and From the bottom of my heart I thank God for this. Love is the truth love is the key... May god bless everyone who read this message in the name of our savior Jesus 🙏🏾

[@nekishaknight551]

My heart is filled with so much gratitude from watching this interview. Thanks Ben and John for showing us how to reason respectfully. Love you both and may Jesus Christ be highly exhalted always in our hearts❤

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

Halo effect for Shapiro 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢. ….. Jesus should be-exalted

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

❤

[@marthabenitez8887]

The conviction that John MacArthur speaks with moves me.

[@ginasand1378]

Dr. MacArthur is the reason i became a christian. I’ve been listening to his messages for Years. My Christian life is so much richer because of him. But go to the source the Bible! Let Jesus speak to you by reading the Word. 🙏🏽

[@LARRYCAL]

Martha Benitez John McArthur is a very good preacher if you haven't listened to any of his sermons do yourself a favor and listen.

[@MrArtist1971]

Makes me sad that a grown man is so utterly deceived. You all need to seek Elohim ALONE.

[@MrArtist1971]

The only conviction you hear is a rehearsed speech delivered over decades in every conceivable way throughout his life. Don't be fooled. Please listen to this link - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5nVo6Wcl9p3p9E for the truth of Isaiah 53. MacArthur is very, very mistaken. He's just serving up Christian doctrine.

[@Josh_elitesandcastles]

@@MrArtist1971Why do you think he’s deceived ?

[@TheCyberianHusky]

I've always respected Ben as a brilliant individual, but I must say his humility here and active listening caused me to further appreciate him. Major respect to both of these great men. It was highly enjoyable to listen in to this discussion.

[@Oakeeanddaddy]

Well said, Spooky Jim.

[@life.re-defined]

Absolutely agree, Cy R. Yes!

[@crforfreedom7407]

I actually don't care much for Ben, nor am I a "fan". Ben doesn't really impress me as much as he does others, I kind of get his routine. But I have to say, this was probably the best interview done that I have ever seen for the reasons many have suggested: It was intellectual, respectful and insightful. It was well organized and the guest was allowed to give full answers without interruption. Luckily, with a guest the caliber of MacArthur, the answers never wondered or chased rabbit-holes, so bringing back on track was never a task Ben needed to worry about. Just about the best interview I think I've ever seen. Really appreciated this from start to finish. The only pet-peeve I had was Ben calling Dr. MacArthur "mister" at the outset. Very disrespectful. Other than that, fantastic....

[@kelliemurphy7933]

Crfor Freedom I don’t think Ben meant any disrespect whatsoever to John MacArthur and I’m pretty sure John MacArthur took no offence either. I do agree it was an excellent interview.

[@robertvanaken9362]

I agree much respect Ben

[@janetmorris3384]

1:06:30 This is such a blessing and beautiful teaching of the gospel! Thank you Ben and John for being so very kind to really hear each other out! Praying God will always leave your hearts open to His word, Genesis to Revelation!

[@aChristianperson-en8ms]

If this is Dr. Janet Morris, then I want to thank you too for all the truth and light you bring to the world through your faith and work. Grace be to you. 1:09:12

[@michellehavlin1886]

Thank you John MacArthur for explaining this so well to Ben....We need to all pray for Ben's eyes to be opened. In Jesus name. Amen

[@edenandom3746]

Amen ! I just saw this wonderful discussion, I pray also for Ben's spiritual eyes to open like Elisha's servant to see the Torah and Bible is all about jesus rescuing to those who accept and believed in Him❤

[@UltraAwesomeSauce12]

I love that Dr. MacArthur does not withhold preaching the Gospel to Ben. He knows that Ben is a devout Jew, but none the less he spreads the gospel. Absolutely encouraging and I pray that God will instill that same characteristic in me. I would also love to meet John in person, as he is a personal hero of mine, and I pray that God may use me as he uses John, maybe not manifesting itself in the same way, but to be a vessel of God either way.

[@yallyasilo3665]

Amen

[@RogueAgentX]

I haven’t met John MacArthur although I have heard countless of his sermons. I was fortunate enough to express my gratitude and appreciation to John Piper, he was very generous with his time, kind and humble. When he left he was driving an older car than I was (Ford Contour IIRC)

[@solomon467]

Unlike the renowned Catholic representative bishop Baron who afirmed to Ben the teaching of the Catholic Church that unbelievers and Jews can be saved even in unbelief if they are of "good will".

[@munchenonyou3774]

I pray for the same. I dont know why I fear spreading the Gospel. If i truly do not care for the evils of this world and what they will do to me, then I must preach zealously. Amen to you.

[@wolfpackhustler3133]

John MacArthur is one of the nicest and most sincere people I have ever met. If you are ever in LA, I encourage you to come to Grace Community Church and hear him preach in person.

[@elissabellajoy]

John MacArthur explained Isaiah 53 and the Gospel so beautifully and powerfully. What an intelligent interview. Thank you.

[@engineerauthorpilot]

I have never heard of Pastor John MacArthur before. What a tremendous find. I will start watching him from now on.

[@wanda520]

He’s had some health scares in 2023 but he’s recovered by God’s grace.

[@TheRockinmac]

Ben is a world class human being. We need people like him in politics.

[@glen6494]

Wow Ben. You are a master debater, but so polite as you listened to John MacArthur express interpretations of the Hebrew scriptures unlike your own. Very respectful. Thank you.

[@akafarrari]

Needs to be upvoted, Ben can be very brazen as well. I loved his humility. God bless John and we pray for Ben.

[@jkm9332]

Yes. Ben is the best.

[@MrArtist1971]

You just revealed why MacArthur is wrong. He expresses INTERPRETATIONS and NOT TRUTH. The conviction you hear is a rehearsed speech delivered over decades in every conceivable way throughout his life. Don't be fooled. Please listen to this link - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5nVo6Wcl9p3p9E for the truth of Isaiah 53. MacArthur is very, very mistaken. He's just serving up Christian doctrine.

[@infamouslink2224]

@@MrArtist1971 take a seat heretic..we can debate let me know

[@keithlarrimore]

Watch his interview with William Lane Craig

[@Ret_USAF17]

Wow!...Same reaction as most of those who commented. Pastor MacArthur just beautifully and consistently labors for the Gospel every chance he gets. The end was the best I think; Isaiah 53. Jews realization of their savior, the one who took upon Him their iniquities...sheesh! That is the dividing line between Orthodox Judaism and Christianity. Who is Jesus. I pray that Ben, and others who doubt the savior and His word, come to realize that Jesus. Christ is the only hope for salvation!

[@dawnstonerock884]

Jeremy Nabors amen!

[@firstthingsfirst2012]

Jeremy Nabors excellent comment!

[@opulentmissopal1123]

I often pray that Ben will someday realize that Jesus was truly God's one and only son and he will know Him as Savior 🙏

[@jewelenekirkland126]

AMEN!

[@ruebeneleazar9357]

How about in the mean time, Christians vow their support for Israel and support the Jews

[@anything700]

Im so emotional right now. I drive about an hour home from work. I often listen to youtube picks of mine. This is by far the best. I see now how God loves Israel, which makes it easier to answer the call to pray for Israel. Pastor John, you were preaching to me even as a Christian. I could listen for days. God bless you both.

[@shadowsbruther]

This was the most genuine conversation I have ever heard. Beautiful.

[@royraven2186]

Ok, I did not expect to wake up and have my mind blown to this degree. This is my favorite Sunday Special to date.

[@RBoas]

John's biblical knowledge >= Ben's constitutional knowledge.

[@andrewplck]

yeah, but you are still a dog.

[@RBoas]

@@julesjacobs1 how do you arrive at your opinion? Are you a scholar or are you a layman? I would like to understand this first before I answer your question.

[@RBoas]

@@julesjacobs1 ok, you did answer it. You're a layman. No scholarly person would say that.

[@RBoas]

@@julesjacobs1 I got it, you're a layman. You don't have to keep emphasizing it. Now i not only know you're a layman you are now convincing me you are ignorant as well. Just stop while you're merely an ignorant layman. If you continue I will be left to assume you are an ignorant layman who also struggles with comprehending the English language.

[@Brklyn-dd9yo]

OMG Ben your are the MAN! Out of all the popular and hip "pastors" out there, you actually picked one who refuses to not compromise his faith. This definitely means a ton! thank you

[@TheLaubachs]

After Larry King retired , JM has not spoken much on television. Ben respects the truth.

[@tunefully1792]

Ben is a very smart Orthodox Jew, he sees JM as the very same in his perspective of the Abrahamic faith.

[@HenT8991]

Please don't let MacArthur make you work any harder for damnation. Jesus obeyed unto death and even made himself the sacrifice for your sins so you would never have to suffer the punishment for them. The only obedience required by us is to obey the Gospel or more simply to believe/trust The Gospel (Jesus' Good News) Eternal Life is a FREE GIFT. God's Grace which is unearned or undeserved is without any works be it under the law of Moses or your idea of Righteousness. We know all man are unrighteous and we know all have fallen short of God's Glory. We can only ever be Righteous by God imputing HIS OWN unto us through us simply having trusted the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4)

[@multiwebinc]

@@HenT8991 Why would you think that John MacArthur teaches a works-based salvation? That couldn't be further from the truth.

[@HenT8991]

+multiwebincMay I ask you respectfully in MacArthur's opinion "what a man must do to be saved?" and if anything can "unsave" him? Thank you.

[@RainedOnParade]

4yrs later this is probably the best argument for the New Testament refuting arguments against it.

[@gina34rn]

"Nobody times nothing equals everything". I LOVE that and Pastor John is so WONDERFUL.

[@stephenfrazeur7791]

I loved that part too! Kind of forgot about that comment due to the Isaiah 53 part later, so thanks for reminding me about that!

[@sumyunguy6894]

Thanks Shapiro for inviting John MacArthur

[@sp0228]

The book: "The Gospel According To Jesus" by Pastor John eventually led me to give my life to Jesus. To leave drugs and worldly living behind, and follow my Savior. Although it was ultimately by God's Efficacious Grace through faith bringing me to be born again, He used Johnny Mac's book in a huge way in my life. Thank you John!

[@gerradfortaleza2422]

May God's grace continue to be with you.

[@taracheng7024]

I am currently reading that book.

[@PrivatePrivate-do2on]

Yeshua turned hand washing water into wine He broke man made laws by healing on the Sabbath: 1) made mud 2) spit on eye 3) walk ( more than a sabbaths day walk) to show yourself to the pharasees The messiah says the man made laws nullify the Torah. Paul said they were a burden. The Torah is freedom. The Jews have been blinded by man made laws that add to The Christians have been blinded by the pope who took away the law. When man elevates himself to the level of the Almighty it's idolatry. The Torah forbids us from speaking false gods. The Rabbis tell us not to speak The Name that was written thousands of times. Moshe and David praised Him. We should not threat His Name like it is a pagan name. We should not treat men as gods. The Torah Law is good and defines sin. The man-made talmud law is bondage.

[@aliciawillis0465]

God is good, God Bless you and I will be praying for you 🙏

[@emilycooper442]

Look up Eileen Grey. John is not to be respected. sorry you had to find out like this.

[@southernborn1358]

This is one of THE most astonishing conversation I’ve ever heard/saw in my 58 years on Earth. This is an incredible Master Class on the ability to speak to one another, who has a difference in opinion, and end that conversation with respect, common understanding shake hands warmly-agreeing to disagree. Then, asking one another may we speak again? I could talk to you for hours! This is it. No shaming, no screaming, no name calling, no bitter undertones- and these 2 men, both of whom I admire greatly, learned from one another. Just. Incredible. This graceful conversation gives me HOPE-all is not lost in this polarized, hateful society-it still can be done.

[@overcomer4060]

I 100% agree.

[@tentics]

I really appreciate these two gentlemen. They show the way to hold a very open, honest, and respectful conversation. Even when they may not always agree.

[@tammmy1000]

Wow, what an interview, The Lord Jesus Christ has given Pastor John MacArthur such an incredible amount of wisdom.

[@edwardlarvai4016]

That’s what I said 😃

[@JoseMartinez-rx6sl]

Wisdom!? Ben ask about the enlightenment, and John spends 85% of the time attacking the Catholic church with LIES.... This man clearly hasn't studied history, even less the history of the church or simply he is just wilfully ignorant in order to keep his influence

[@lydiacole1865]

I would love to see Ben to become a believer.

[@rickspalding3047]

Ben's too smug for that

[@emilycooper442]

the Lord Jesus Christ is not with John MacArthur. he literally thought a woman should take a child abuser back into her home because he "said sorry."

[@leeshields1517]

God bless Ben Shapiro for giving John MAcArthur the time to talk. Pray that Ben becomes a believer, as he would make a great warrior for Christ. God bless you Ben

[@YoCuzwaasup]

The END OF: The Church? (It should correctly be: The END of: The Messianic Community🙁) The TIME END According to President Daniel Note: Daniel 8:17 (CJB) [17] He came up to where I was standing, and his approach so terrified me that I fell on my face. But he said to me, “Human being! Understand that the vision refers to the time of the end.” Daniel 11:35 (CJB) [35] Even some of those with discernment will stumble, so that some of them will be refined, purified and cleansed for an end yet to come at the designated time. Daniel 11:40 (CJB) [40] “When the time for the end comes, the king of the south will push at him; while the king of the north will attack him like a whirlwind, with chariots, cavalry and a large navy. He will invade countries, overrun them and move on. Daniel 12:4 (CJB) [4] “But you, Dani’el*, keep these words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rush here and there as knowledge increases.” Daniel 12:9-12 (CJB) [9] But he said, “Go your way, Dani’el*; for these words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. [10] Many will purify, cleanse and refine themselves; but the wicked will keep on acting wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand. But those with discernment will understand. [11] From the time the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. [12] How blessed will be anyone who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days.

[@ethansant6738]

Amen

[@andrewwilson9183]

What if he doesn't

[@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS]

"he will fry his non-believing children FOREVER -- but he loves them..." phooey!

[@rpullen4825]

And that, John's ability to explain the Holy Bible because of his lifetime of studying it, is KEY to understanding where ALL of us should be. There's little about it that he doesn't know and understand. That takes a LIFETIME to accomplish and encourages us all to STUDY every day. God bless his faithfulness, and God bless Ben for his love of the Word.

[@charlottemilam2733]

Pray that Ben's heart opens up just enough to hear Jesus calling him.

[@engineer775]

What a powerful show! Hats off to Ben for listening! Faith comes by hearing. John did an amazing job from beginning to end!

[@FaithAndFilms]

Engineer775 we debate atheism and Catholicism discord.gg/zwRJDt

[@cleanyourroom1237]

If Jordan Peterson is a father figure, Pastor John MacArthur is a grandfather figure.

[@nicolasgarcia9199]

This is amazing! Jesus Christ entrusted us an individual responsibility (bear His cross) and yet expect us to work/live together collectively. Once we fully understand God and then God is in us. That is when we share the same mindset while maintaining our independence and individuality as atheists expected to live. Atheists fail to realize that they are destroying themselves in long run.

[@engineer775]

@@FaithAndFilms all I get is the link is expired?

[@FaithAndFilms]

Engineer775 discord.gg/BzRWpDc

[@AutomotiveSys]

Wow John MacArthur delivers the gospel to Ben and his audience through the Old Testament Scriptures .... Great interview ... Thanks Pastor John and to you Ben for having him on

[@unabashedlyredeemed1]

Absolutely beautiful, respectful exchange! The gospel was presented/heard. Praying 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@markita.hardenhome]

The Isaiah 53 portion was EXCELLENT👌🏾. So glad he did not interrupt that part. 😌. I also liked what he said about not overthrowing govts. and suffering. Spot on!

[@loiscatlin9708]

"My goal is to offend everyone." Best line ever.

[@SomethinAintRightHere]

offend everyone in Love it’s not meant to be cruel it’s to show you the way

[@frankjames1955]

@@SomethinAintRightHere obviously

[@jimfisher5828]

how so?

[@supersegways1175]

I haven't watched this yet, and this line could be given to either person 😂

[@dylanmcphee8454]

@@supersegways1175 The gospel is an offense. And if your not offending your not preaching the gospel. I'm sure you've watched it by now but I wish John would have pointed out that verse when he said that lol

[@seasonedsaintsmnstry]

I have watched a zillion videos on KZbin. Never have I paid more attention...been more an engaged...than this video and the discussion entailed. Amazing stuff Ben.

[@siobhanjustin]

This is the kind of video that you watch over and over and transcribe every word!

[@casey1167]

@@mangostickyrye First thing I did is turn on the text.... This video is going to result in a lot of people going back and re-reading some passages in the Bible... I will be one of them.

[@nzingagardner2762]

D&R - what aspect of the talk engaged you so? By the way, are you a Christian?

[@seasonedsaintsmnstry]

@@nzingagardner2762 I think the overall cordial tone engaged me...particularly toward the end when theological differences were expressed. Ben was a great interviewer. Yea...I am a Christian.

[@lukebeaulieu3794]

Same here

[@brockmitchell3989]

John MacArthur's compassion toward Ben Shapiro about the book of Isaiah and chapter 53 brought tears to my eyes. I wish more of us believer's in Christ ( including myself) would practice that kind of compassion for those who do not know Jesus Christ as their Savior. I know that we can not force anyone to repent of their sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, but we all should have genuine compassion for those who are lost. I could watch this video repeatedly just for the knowledge I gained from it. I shared it with some family and friends in case they would want to watch it too. God is so good to save a rotten, no good rebellious sinner like me. I am so thankful for Jesus Christ my Savior dying for me and rising again from the dead. I look forward to His return at the end of the final tribulation to gather us all to Himself to be with Him for all eternity on the new heavens and the new earth. I pray God will help us all to be ready for that day and not be caught unawares like Scripture warns about when describing Christ's second coming as a thief in the night, when He sends His angels to gather us together, both the dead raised back to life and those who are alive and remain being gathered unto Him as He descends through the clouds upon His return at the end of the final tribulation.

[@deenahjoseph6383]

AMEN and AMEN 💧🙏🕊️

[@RBoas]

I was waiting in anticipation of how John was going to deal with who Jesus is. What a powerful display of conviction and grace by John.

[@wisevirgin3405]

Too bad MacArthur did not tell Ben he has no Savior. Why do you think MacArthur did not tell Ben the truth?

[@Moolz]

I think he stated it simply enough. Through ties in scripture between the new and old testament. Telling Ben straight out he has no savoir might have come across as rude. Certainly unnecessary. He made a case for who the messiah is. Whatever Ben decides to do with that information is up to him. The seeds were planted.

[@Moolz]

I am going to expound on my point why it wasn't necessary as I see you have copied your post multiple times in other OP's. Pointing out to Shapiro that he has no savoir would, for lack of a better expression, be dumb. As a Orthodox Jew and according to Judaism, their messiah has not yet come. Ben would be quick to point this out perhaps sardonically.

[@RBoas]

@@wisevirgin3405 I am sure that this was not a situation where the person needed to be educated on who Jesus is to Christian's. I thought that John's approach was quite tactful and most likely appealed to Ben's intellectual side.

[@mitchelladkins3502]

@@wisevirgin3405 stop commenting that, did you watch the video??

[@rebekahhakeber5093]

Wait how did this happen! Jewish guy and a devout Christian. Theologically at odds with one another. Completely respectful and civil discussion. Hmm wasn’t sure this could still happen in America 🤷🏻‍♀️... most excellent

[@swimant0]

Rebekah רבקה the point John poured out is we have far more in common than you think. We are not at odds with each other. The difference is what do you do with Jesus. There is far more that binds us together and separates. Jesus is the stumbling block.

[@rebekahhakeber5093]

swimant0 Jesus is a stumbling block? Not sure what that means. I loved this sit down with these 2 men I have a ton of respect for. Maybe I worded my post wrong. The PC culture in America seems to silence people more than anything. So I was surprised to see this. Clearly Both men aren’t silenced by the emotional whims of the populace.

[@vigilante1202]

Its a reference to several places in scripture one of which specifically talks about how Jesus is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles, 1 Corinthians 1:23. Here is a pretty good explanation of what the means. www.gotquestions.org/stumbling-stone.html "Matthew 21:44 is a call to faith, an appeal to open one’s eyes and see that Jesus is indeed the Son of God sent into the world. The verse is also a strict warning against rejecting Jesus Christ. He is the sure Rock of salvation for those who believe, but an immovable stumbling stone for those who do not." biblehub.com/sermons/auth/irwin/jesus_as_the_stumbling-stone.htm

[@CliveChamberlain946]

Rebekah רבקה Actually, this polite chatter was also around in the 7th century. Mohammed reported listening (and learning?) from debate's in his time between Christians and Jews. However, he obviously didn't get all his facts straight, so his Quaranic text ends up being a big joke getting the historical facts straight..

[@CliveChamberlain946]

@@vigilante1202 This would be in her Hebrew Tanakh in Isaiah 28:16 “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; the one who *believes* will never be shaken."

[@derekjohnson5522]

First time ever I listened to John McArthur and I am blown away by his knowledge of the bible and his godliness. Good for Ben in interviewing him also. My prayer would be for the Holy Spirit to plant that conversation and truth in his heart and for him to see Jesus as God and Savior. I pray for his family as well. Loved this video

[@karamiller4166]

You should look up John's ministry, Grace to You. There's about 50 years of great sermons you can listen to.

[@juliepeters3716]

I enjoyed this immensely. A divine appointment for sure, this meeting of two precious souls which I am sure will bear much fruit in the future.

[@surrenderdaily333]

Excellent interview! I love Ben and I love John. Praying for Ben. All of us need to pray for Ben.

[@rneal63]

@@robertchflynn Jesus said he is the way and no one comes to the Father except through him. Do you think he was being arrogant or perhaps just telling the truth? By his teachings, Jesus couldn't have just been a good person, he was either Lord, lunatic, or liar.

[@budsouth1789]

The Old Testament is the word of god that set forth the New Testament in which is also the word of god. Jesus is the messiah. The old testament tells us this along with the new.

[@DesignsByTrey]

@@robertchflynn Imagine laughing at someone's comment, as you're calling THEM arrogant. The arrogance & hypocrisy in secular thinking is truly unsurpassed.

[@nahaloz1816]

Perhaps there is no awareness now days that a conversation like this happening anytime between 300 and 1800 would end up by forcing the Jew to convert or torturing and killing him usually burning alive. It is good that things have changed although zealots still exist.

[@surrenderdaily333]

@@nahaloz1816 And along with that, millions of Christians have been martyred by those opposing them or by the Crusaders or by the Catholic church and the church of England. When you have a belief in God this happens. It has not stopped today. Jews and Christians are still being killed.

[@scwiggie]

I respect Ben Shapiro even more today after watching this. He is brave to not bring on a sugar coating bible abuser but rather a true preacher of the gospel, Dr McArthur. I lover God Christ, God, Israel and men and their souls.

[@markjeanmccord]

I feel Shapiro is closer to God than John MacArthur(the accuser of the brethren" When Jesus talked about the good samaritan, he said the Samaritan was more human than the Religious priest. John is losing his humanity by being jealous of Joel Osteen and others who have influence not just with the 99 but with the world. Poor John, he'll never make it unless he repents.

[@markjeanmccord]

@ad hominemus I have never heard Joel Osteen preach once. I followed his father John Osteen. I left USA in 1986 with a one way ticket to Burkina Faso NW Africa. It was the 4th poorest country in the world at that time. Lakewood Church inspired thousands to preach the gospel around the world.

[@nickjewell471]

Jack Wigfall unless ben takes heed to what was just told to him he us going to answer as to why he didnt respond.......at the white throne judgment God the Father is going to say to ben : you rejected me when I sent somebody to tell you about Me....depart from me ye worker of inequity

[@Richwith_class]

@@markjeanmccord you've never listened to Joel osteen but you accused John being jelous with Joel osteen? It's just showed you how stupid dumb you are! What a joke😝

[@agentjackstone3543]

@@markjeanmccord Osteen? Are you serious? That man is selling a "god will scratch your itch" gospel.

[@SS-dg6mx]

What an enjoyable discussion to listen to. Two very intelligent men, with differing religious opinions discussing the Bible and Jesus, and there’s no arguing nor condescending at all. Both gave their opinions without being wishy-washy, and held to their beliefs without apology. I loved it!

[@doroncozens5921]

What an absolute amazing masterpiece of an interview, one could feel the peace and presence of G-d radiating through the screen and what Glory to G-d was evident here... Hallelujah

[@thasilv]

God used the right person to speak to Ben's heart in a way he can understand. We can feel the love and also the authority of Jesus thru this pastor

[@paulborne6457]

Nuno Silva - smart, too. A good match.

[@CP-fz4sr]

Riiiiight. SO God spoke thru this person, YET, God allows millions of kids to starve and be raped and killed. Yeah, what a God. Nice try

[@CP-fz4sr]

@Mike Morbuk He sure did. And at the end its the same thing. None of it can be proven and its all hearsay. Religion again, was created by people, to be able to control other people/groups. There is no proof that you go to heaven or hell after death. Nobody comes back from the dead. You dont know where you go after you die. NOBODY knows, INCLUDING your bible. This kind of crap is whats inserted into your brain from when you were a child, so it will be super hard to change your common sense or your ideas about a God. People can believe whatever they want, I dont care. What I do care about is their will to insist that you believe in THEIR way, THEIR system. Thats utter BS. If God was real, then he would not allow these bad things to happen to good people. Either God is all knowing, but not all powerful, or he is all powerful and not all knowing. Either way, that does not make him a God then.

[@iamhethat1]

Nuno Silva I'm an atheist agnostic and even I was moved by this interview. I try to be a sensible and open minded about the word of the Bible. I love my country and appreciate the principle on which is was established. I think I'm the only conservative atheist I personally know.

[@thasilv]

@@CP-fz4sr I really feel what you're saying. I'm also upset with the world, and all this suffering. But the only thing I can tell you is that Jesus is my only hope, I refuse to believe in anyone else, man. Don't be hard on us. We're only struggling to show people who Jesus really is. Not doing a great job so far but at least give us a try. Big hug from Portugal

[@heidicook2739]

So thankful for Pastor MacArthur’s steady faithfulness. What a great discussion!

[@wisevirgin3405]

Too bad MacArthur did not tell Ben he has no Savior. Why do you think MacArthur did not tell Ben the truth?

[@blockpartyvintage1568]

@@wisevirgin3405 MacArthur also says you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved.

[@mitchelladkins3502]

@@wisevirgin3405 46:40

[@prashuyehuda]

@@blockpartyvintage1568 I dont mean to judge him. But as someone who is responsible for the protection of my own salvation and also responsible for what I do and don't watch/listen to build my faith, I have stopped listening to him after he made that statement. What THE BIBLE explicitly states is absolute, no matter what.

[@Ironica82]

@@prashuyehuda Then you have completely missed the point of his answer. The question was about if someone (who is not saved) takes the mark, can they still be saved. He never was saying that those in Christ can freely take the mark and be a-okay. Now, you can disagree with him on that point but that doesn't mean that he is a false teacher as he only preaches Christ crucified.

[@paullarussa7501]

I'm glad I started following John MacArthur 2yrs ago, he helps me make sense of Jesus teachings...

[@katharinedodson9330]

If it taught Ben the true Gospel and that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior than this interview was worth it.

[@CJ-si3ju]

It’s great to hear Pastor MacArthur Share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with Ben.

[@AP-bo1if]

IMHO, speaking as a theist, MacArthur is doing Christianity extreme harm. for one, this idea that "biblical Christians" should be good ol boys and let the government and other institutions do whatever they want, even if it violates their individual rights, is complete horseshit. coincidentally, this watered down "Jesus in enough" version of Christianity is killing Christianity. it won't survive the test of time as it will not survive the forces of secularism, liberalism and Islamism. I'm sorry, but it needs to die. become a Catholic today and become a MAN of God, not a coward. Catholicism is the TRUE form of Christianity with thousands of years of tradition and theology. do not listen to these "biblical Christians", they're liars for the state.,,,,,,,,,,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.

[@PJBearstein]

As in double predestination?

[@mirandag.4268]

A P could you stop spamming?

[@AP-bo1if]

@@mirandag.4268 pretty please?

[@brggz]

@@AP-bo1if 1.) He, nor the Bible says to let the govt do whatever they want, just don't get violent. 2.) Are you saying Jesus isn't enough? 3.) Christianity is not dependent upon tactics for survival, it is only dependent upon God. 4.) Catholicism is utter pony poopoo. Those thousands of years of "tradition and theology" are thanks to child molesting Romans. We have thousands of years of theology from actual inspired prophets, we're not impressed.

[@ScottMillerGuitar]

I love John MacArthur. One of my favorite interviews Ben has given yet.

[@emilycooper442]

you love a man who thinks I should allow my husband to abuse me and my kids. look up Eileen Grey. John is NO Christisn.

[@wearewarriorseaglesjaguars6342]

Sincere, intelligent dude! Godbless he and Ben! Us men of God need to do this more.. they represented us well. Men of God: This is how you do it. BTW.. “we don’t protest”? Come on Brother John! That’s a peaceful activity! By your logic.. slavery would still be happening right now if “Christian’s don’t protest” lol. True.. We are not violent or promote violence at all.. NOR LOITERING! but your making it sound as if we are just suppose to sit down, be quiet and pray lol. Protest is one of the many privileges of our country. It’s about unity and being heard. Life is very real Brother John and it requires some painful effort at points. We must respect those who lived and died fighting for other people. It’s all for the greater good of PEACE AND RESPECT FOR ALL! That’s all. Anyway.. Godbless all! #MenOfGodStandFirm #TOGETHER

[@emilycooper442]

@@wearewarriorseaglesjaguars6342 So a man who is supporting a convicted pedophile is someone you say represents you well (John MacArthur)?

[@johnkaylor8670]

@@emilycooper442 Your claim about what John MacArthur thinks men should be allowed to do is Absolutely FALSE. He has stated clearly in more than one sermon that if a man fails to meet his holy obligation and mission to his family and instead abuses it, he then FORFEITS his right to be honored (or obeyed and followed) by them.

[@griffinmathers929]

No, telling an Orthodox Jew that he would not have stood up to Hitler for him and his family is not "how you do it". Please take a few steps back and listen again. None of this was about representing you or me. He should represent the Gospel, which is the Good News of Jesus ❤ Today is Christmas. I pray that all who are the recipient of the biggest, most beautiful acts of GRACE ever - God made flesh to live 33 years as a human, completely God, and completely man, so His death on that cross was pain none of us can pretend to know, will fill our hearts and minds with love for God. Love for the many neighbors we have because the internet has surely given us more, and that our love for ourselves never looks like anything but gratitude. Merry Christmas.

[@naseemrehman7000]

This fully gave Ben and Jeremy all my respect. A full blown evangelical, biblical and fundamental Christian to witness indirectly and have a great conversation. The reason Christians and Jews are close is other than missing the messiah offering you an ETERNAL kingdom, rather than some real kingdom or materialistic. John will always answer with the Bible as reference or God himself.

[@americanwoman9880]

As of the day I write this, March 5, 2023, John Macarthur has delivered the gospel to over 1.4 million viewers of this video. God is AWESOME!!!

[@patrebar3044]

Great interview. One of the best. I pray that you will accept our beloved Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Thank you for allowing Pastor John the time to speak the truth to such a large audience.

[@11304800]

Accepting Christ is not a scriptural doctrine. Peter said to repent and be baptized in Jesus name. and receiving the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

[@charidhermin5794]

@@11304800 friend, Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through him. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:16

[@charidhermin5794]

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, - John 1:12

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

@@11304800 How can you follow Him and not accept Him? To follow Him is scriptural.

[@element2138]

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[@lobotrojan4003]

If interviews can be masterpieces, then MacArthur and Shapiro made this one!

[@elizabethlikestruth6536]

Agreed

[@CharlieCiampa]

I so agree 🙏

[@jerrykinnoff4913]

If good ole Benny Boy is so smart then why is he buying into any sort of religious horse excrement?

[@olyolson2576]

I've been offended in the past at things Ben has said about Christ, but I have to give him high praise for given John (and hopefully through him Christ) a chance, and for listening respectfully.

[@twngrl56]

As a Christian of Jewish decent I'm so very blessed from this interview. Thanks Ben and Pastor John. God Bless You both.

[@Theism2222]

I respect Ben even more for opening himself up to dialogue with John. One could easily have gotten a liberal "Christian" on the program to tear into shreds. This shows that Ben is open to follow wherever the evidence leads just as he preaches in his talks. He is consistent. Beautiful talk, Jesus is Lord.

[@andrewwilson9183]

Whats wrong with liberal christians, they and catholics are more rational than fundamentalists like john

[@christietbreaux]

Ben is excellent in choosing John. We needed to hear this as a generation.

[@jacksolomon1379]

Thankful for John MacArthur. He is a mentor to be sure! Thank you Ben Shapiro, you’re very respectful! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@oscarfranciscoramirezdelpr576]

I must say that this was the best video and the best topic thereof that I have ever in my whole entire 50 years of living on this planet have ever heard. Thank you so much for sharing this in KZbin!

[@mcbhaspela]

Very spontaneous, very clear, fully engaged and so intellectually authoritative in terms of Biblical knowledge. I salute J. McArthur. He is being used by God to be His mouthpiece. Glory to God! 🎉

[@elizabethnolan6454]

I am floored by how grand this interview is. Praise God.

[@jessek1159]

God bless John MacArthur for pouring his heart out delivering the gospel to Ben and his viewers.

[@VanceLambert]

This was so good! John's answers were spot-on, and I commend Ben for being respectiful in his disagreements. I pray that Ben someday realizes Jesus as the Messiah he's been waiting for.

[@johnrevelation37]

MacArthur is the best preacher in our generation. Shapiro should listen to him all day.

[@BenNocella]

I pray that Ben and his audience get saved and that hearts of stone get removed and replaced with hearts of flesh for the glory of God. In Jesus' name, amen.

[@5winder]

Amen... MacArthur, too.

[@romans5823]

BenNocella Amen🙏

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

Amen!

[@sarahxDjiggzz]

Yes Amen! Thank Jesus for being the absolute perfect sacrifice for our sins :) Jesus Christ is Lord of all.

[@skipsmominhouston]

Yes. Amen.

[@90sGasPrices]

The way Shapiro allows the Christian perspective to maintain a platform on his own show illustrates just how incredible he is. We love you for fighting the good fight Ben.

[@CliveChamberlain946]

He almost has to allow it, we're on his side and many of his employee's are Christians.

[@swimant0]

I think he knows his audience. 😉

[@jake1776]

BEST conversation I have ever seen on KZbin.

[@Gloriaabera1424]

I love watching true pastors being interviewed bcs I got to hear boldness, truth, and wisdom being dropped. I like how he priotarize what bible says rather than his knowledge and experience. Thank you Ben.

[@samanthagraveswalters8443]

This ended beautifully. Ah Pastor John was wonderful with Ben. I am praying for Bens salvation. I believe there is hope. ❤️🙏

[@kjnaphtali8704]

Yeah I pray for him as well. Like most who profess to believe, Ben lives the "works" doctrine. Many think they need to say prayers or try to be good. We can never save ourselves...that's why Christ (Creator God) came down and did the work for us. Salvation can ONLY come through Jesus Christ. 💞

[@brendapearce8473]

He is Jewish. Did Pastor John say, God said all of Israel will be saved.?

[@Saleigh]

Same

[@Saleigh]

@@brendapearce8473 Jerusalem is The Lords chosen most loved place on earth

[@1flyblackcat406]

John Mcarthur is a false preacher. He is a heretic who leads people to Hell.

[@nelsonattwood795]

I love the way that John Macarthur just keeps bringing the gospel and the Lord Jesus Christ back into the conversation, and he does it with gentle grace.

[@brodyrichardson2277]

Agreed!

[@imagomonkei]

coolguyinthe562 according the Scripture, the elect are Israel-all twelve tribes, into which gentiles can be grafted when we give our loyalty to God.

[@imagomonkei]

E Briggs the bigger stumbling block isn't calling him “Christ” (though I'm not a fan of that term either); calling him “God the Son” keeps most Jews from even considering anything else Christians say.

[@ebriggs3498]

@@imagomonkei ; While I understand what you are saying, he is the Son of God, and He called Himself also the Son of Man (Ben Adom), a Messianic title. The church's terrible treatment of the Jewish people, all in the name of the Jewish Messiah, is also the church's Dirty Little Secret. Many Christians will go blithely through life and never know that they are the reason the Jewish people do not know and recognize their own Messiah! It is heartbreaking! The Jewish people were slaughtered in the Inquisition by people who claimed they were doing it in the name of the Jewish Messiah! How sad that Christians don't recognize that they themselves are the stumbling block that prevents the Jewish people from recognizing their Messiah. The Jews went through pogroms and the Holocaust hearing the same phrase; that they were being led to their execution in the name of Jesus Christ/Yeshua haMashiach. The church needs to repent of its anti-Semitism and return Jesus to His Hebrew Roots, instead of always referring to Him in Greek terminology.

[@DraconisSmith]

​@ebriggs3498 Did you listen to JMacarthur at all? He goes to great lengths to separate the Church from Catholicism. I have no doubt that many Catholics have personal relationships with Christ, but Catholicism as a whole is a cult that led to persecution of almost all religions.

[@MS88nyc]

This was so nice to see this cordial display of sharing beliefs, and you can feel the love present and the honesty and the desire for truth. If Ben Shapiro knew just how many people are praying for him, and want him to use his education and his morality to see the truth for himself, I am certain his heart would just utterly melt. he embraces so much of what is good and just in the scripture, we just wish she can see that he is an example of the offspring of those who have rejected Christ, and many of his own forefathers were just as Jewish as he was, but were able to see the truth in Christ. There is no difference in his belief in God and the Christian belief in God, and I hope he can see that. Like Pastor John MacArthur has stated, the difference is accepting Jesus as the Messiah, choosing to interpret Isaiah, and the many other prophecies of the Messiah in a way that points to Jesus. Once he and the Israelites can see that Jesus is the Christ, that is, the Greek word interpreted into English for ‘Messiah’, well, that will be a glorious day… And that they will come when all the Jews finally see that Jesus is and has always been the messiah that they have longed.

[@user-fl2bm2hi8u]

Thank You Ben Shapiro for all you do for The lights of the world Not everybody is going to respond. Not everybody has the capacity for understanding. I appreciate each and every video published thank you so very much for being a light in the darkest times of our known lives forever and always hallelujah hallelujah to God

[@kirkmcmillan1974]

What a fantastic conversation. Especially what was no veiled call by John MacArthur at the end for Ben to believe in Jesus as THE promised Messiah. Thank you both for doing this and God save His people.

[@VadulTharys]

The Lord will never abandon his people, and the Jewish people like Mr. Shapiro are his chosen, they are his beloved, Christians are basically hangers on. Jesus even gave a parable about it, the parable of the feast, we are the lowly, the unwashed, the unwanted, who by HIS grace we are allowed to come to the feast. The feast was not for us, it is and always will be for the Jews, the rest of us are just being blessed.

[@bamaslamma29]

@Steven Thompson we are God's people too. The Bible describes us as "grafted" in (as in grafting a branch into a tree). The Jews are God's chosen people, and for us, by believing in God and in his word, which describes the sacrificial system, the reason for it, and that Jesus would come (Isaiah 53), we are also considered God's people as well.

[@Donna-LookingUp]

bamtana Amen!

[@VadulTharys]

Outsiders, but very lucky ones, the non jews who become Christian are blessed because they did not have the traditions and history and chose to accept on faith. As for those of other ancient faiths who never heard the word, well their was a great debate about that and basically the final conclusion was that the Lord would not condemn them all to hell if they had not heard the gospel (good word) they would be judged by their own beliefs and faith. For religions like Islam that arose later, well not so much, it was determined they had heard the truth, and chose to follow deception and lies. Not sure how that would work today when there has been 1400 years since the false prophet spread the lies, and never being given a chance in many cases to hear an uncorrupted version. Now none of us can know what the Lord intends, since we are all corrupted, no human is smart enough, holy enough, just enough, kind enough, loving enough to grasp the infinite being that is the Creator. So again religion helps but it requires faith and a personal relationship. Not putting yourself up as judge, or all knowing. That is why Christians are commanded not to judge others, because all sin is equal in the creators eyes, so no matter how good a life we live none of us are worthy. Sorry for the long response.

[@GideonStahl]

Isaiah 56 talks about bringing the foreigners from the nations to Mountain of Hashem. Hashem is not only out for the chosen people but righteous. Even though us Jews i.e Israel are the chosen people, we are not the preferred people.

[@frommyownbackyard3209]

Did you see Ben's demeanor change at the end when John gave him probably the best compliment a person could give? Wonderful.

[@camilleriggan9555]

Absolutely did. He was moved by an obvious quickening in his heart. I saw a tear in his eye. He was very moved.

[@solosaloon1959]

Young men need to hear that older, wiser men approve of them. Really sweet.

[@shadowsbruther]

One of the most genuine moments I have witnessed through media or true life. God bless the both of them.

[@gratia3658]

He looked like he was about to cry

[@victorekea]

I thought I was the only one that saw it. A very beautiful moment, and probably the most perfect depiction of Romans 12:20 "Therefore if thine enemie hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing, thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

[@MorganBrackeen]

John is such a great role model for Christians. God bless you John, and Ben you are in my prayers

[@2009stevecry]

Major props Ben. Great discussion, Johnny Mac did not disappoint!! God bless you both, may this 5yr old message still weigh on Ben!

[@Tiffany-gm8el]

I just listened to this 4 years after it was done and all I have to say is this is one of the best messages I've heard Pastor John give. I pray for Ben and for the nation of Israel that the veil would be lifted and salvation comes to the chosen people of God.

[@nmariejenkins2041]

One of the reasons I really enjoy Ben's show is that it can be watched without people screaming and yelling at one another. Here we have 2 intelligent men, with differing views on a major issue: where the Lord Jesus Christ fits into Judaism and Christianity. How very refreshing to watch THIS STYLE of interviewing. I wish more journalists conducted both themselves and INSTRUCTED and DEMANDED that their GUESTS did the same. I think society as a whole would be the better for it. I continue to pray for Ben.

[@winnijakins2007]

What an anazing debate. Especially Dr Macarthur in explaining so much that is misunderstood in the scriptures. Thank you

[@Beautiful2012redbird]

Pastor John Macarthur is truly a blessing to have in our time, im from Australia and follow his videos. God bless him. 🙏🙏

[@jaredshaw7304]

Ben just heard the gospel clearly expounded from the Old Testament! Oh, how I pray the veil that is over Ben's eyes and heart would be removed! This is the best Sunday Special so far!!

[@rexbesana499]

Same here brother. I love Ben and I certainly love Israel. May God use these words in a special way to reach out to this very special person.

[@gailc1948]

@@rexbesana499 We don't now God's timing and there is great hope for Ben.

[@rosyg6616]

So wonderful!

[@Francisco-dg4zf]

Jared Shaw same here brother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@debwell7248]

Where is the Gospel in the Old Testament ?