DP discusses no players being voted into the Baseball Hall Of Fame | 01/27/21

[@robertrojas3213]

Why do baseball writers even have a say on who gets in the HOF, to many of them have personal agendas and hold grudges. A group of baseball veterans, those who actually played the game should decide who gets in or not.

[@robertd.7060]

I have said , this FOR years ! It's broke & has been for decades ! AND a NEW system needs to be DONE ! They wait & put players in on there [ LAST ] years a lot ? WHY ? They have not added to there stats in those 10 to 15 years ? My plan is simple but , gives all a say ,NOT , just DUMB ASS [ writers ] ! My plan is the [FANS ] get .25 % of the vote , [ Ex players ] get .25 % of the vote , [ Mangers and coachs ] get .25 % of the vote , AND these dumb ass [ writers ] get .25 % of the vote for the total of 100 % ! Also I think .70 % of the vote is good enough to get in !

[@chrisrunyon2372]

Enough with the outside their life business.. its about what they did in the game period!

[@WesSideER]

Since when does someone’s political views and tweets have anything to do with his work on the field? One of the most feared postseason pitchers. Who cares if you agree or disagree with what he says.

[@oldmcdonald9582]

political all the way

[@JRDavis-hj4si]

Steve Garvey. Unbelievable he isn’t in.

[@CapAnson12345]

Not really.. he didn't draw walks, his average wasn't that high.. he had ok power.. he was one of those players that wasn't as good as people thought at the time.

[@roguewookiee]

Omar has the best fielding percentage of any shortstop ever. How does he not get in immediately

[@charleshamamjian3756]

Barry bonds is the best offensive baseball player I’ve ever seen. Maybe the best all around. He’s already in the hall for multiple reasons. Not inducting him as an individual is ridiculous

[@kazera3282]

Agreed. Especially when there are numerous PED-probable players from his era already elected! (Ivan Rodriguez, Bagwell, Piazza...)

[@kazera3282]

And Bonds was better than any of those players BEFORE he used steroids and WHILE they were on them 🤣 Then Bonds did steroids and became a fkn video game character and hit major league pitching like he was playing against a TEE ball childrens league.

[@bourboncask4089]

Baseball is a damn joke at this point.

[@monicacubberly-early1901]

Dan Patrick rocks! Thanks for sharing your honest opinions gratefully from Patrick

[@michaeldalton8374]

So Ty Cobb is getting removed?

[@aaronbrungardt2917]

Didn't he kill a guy?

[@toddsmith5715]

@@aaronbrungardt2917 No. Most of what we've heard about Cobb simply isn't true. It just hasn't percolated down to the general public. He wasn't nearly as bad as was once thought--and there's absolutely no evidence that he killed anyone.

[@toddsmith5715]

No reason to.

[@CapAnson12345]

Cobb wasn't anywhere near as bad as people made him out to be. He was no angel, but that's not a crime.

[@allstarr9tc]

Clemens wasn't a HoF'er from his Boston career based on what? Longevity? Dude had 3 cy youngs, 2600 k's, 3.06 era, led the league in era 4 times, 192 wins with a .634 win %. That's more innings pitched than Roy Halladay and better overall stats. Literally the only argument against solely his Boston stats are longevity, except even that's more than already some starting pitchers in the hall. Its nearly the same stats as Koufax had in his short career (Koufax had a bit lower era, but so did everyone in the 60s). That argument just doesnt fit with whats already in the hall.

[@MichaelMartin-qe5ye]

Here's the ironic part, if you vote Curt Schilling into the Hall of Fame, people WILL forget about him. No more articles about best players not in the Hall, no more comparisons to pitchers who get elected after him. None of that.

[@iraevans2013]

Interesting point. I've always said they will never put Shoeless Joe in, they'll have nothing to talk about anymore.

[@thomaskearney5974]

Scott Rolen??? He was a decent player....but come on, have they lowered the bar so low just to say if you didn't get called out during the steroid era you qualify. SMH

[@toddsmith5715]

Agreed. Hall of Very Good. Not HOF.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

Rolen suffered from playing while A-Rod, Chipper Jones, ( perhaps Adrian Beltre too) played, he was never considered the best or second best...no mvp votes, gold gloves not enough...just very good, not great...but don't be surprised if the veterans committee puts him in many years from now

[@kazera3282]

www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml Except Scott Rolen is a top 10 all time 3rd baseman.. so.. there's that to maybe consider.

[@themanthelegendjmw]

Did you watch the 2006 world series?

[@jaybo10151]

Big flannel day for the boys eh

[@randyransio7870]

Steve Garvey , Dick Allen, Tony Oliva, Luis tiant have better numbers than Schilling.

[@reedlarsen5441]

So we're taking into account people's social and political views to get into HOFs now? That's weird.

[@coldwinter5428]

That's what cancel culture is. You say something the media establishment disagrees with and you better pack your bags and move.

[@reedlarsen5441]

@@coldwinter5428 Yeah, cancel culture is weird.

[@KyleKendall71]

Actually it is ludicrous. If that is the case, we are now in it being a popularity contest not an achievement. Not merit based like much of our society wants to get to.

[@craigtidwell7492]

Its not a popularity contest these writers need to stop its not your place to pass judgment on character vs career

[@Tbass-yy8uc]

Sports writers are arrogant and think they know better than the fans. Case in point Mariano Rivera only player ever to be unanimous. Are they trying to tell us he's the best baseball player ever?

[@robertd.7060]

This is a [ F#@KING ] joke ! But, it ain't funny at all !

[@timrooney5608]

Scott Rolen but no Steve Garvey?

[@SLAYERSWINE1]

Steve Garvey ?! How about no Dick Allen ?!?!?!?!?!

[@Mcgruber18]

Exactly! Hof doesn’t mean what it used to mean

[@timrooney5608]

@@Mcgruber18 seriously Scott Rolen?🤦‍♂️

[@iraevans2013]

I would like to add Whitaker and Murphy as well please

[@JRDavis-hj4si]

I can’t even believe Steve Garvey. Just a look at his stats post season. Veterans committee must be jealous of how much tang that guy got.

[@jaybo10151]

Put them all in. No one cares about Roids since they all did it

[@danielsmith5848]

@Casino Guy 075 do you mean cocaine?

[@gamerforever6712]

csi mlb very funny

[@Dinobot2]

Ortiz wasn't on the Mitchell report. He was reportedly on the 2003 anonymous testing thing Arod didn't test positive, but he admitted to using from 01-03 and was suspended in 2014 for Biogenesis stuff.

[@kazera3282]

Yeah I think he confused Arod with Manny, who actually did test positive twice.. and I WOULD STILL vote for Manny over Arod for pure likeability and I fkn despise Arod as a human being.

[@StickyBandit22]

I’d rather go visit a HoF with Rose,Bonds,Clemons, Sosa, Big Mac, and Arod than the one in Cooperstown.

[@aaronbrungardt2917]

Pete Rose should be in as well. I get he gambled on games he was in, but I will always believe he betted FOR the Reds, NOT against them. He was a competitor, very driven. He was called "Mr. Hustle" his rookie year by the Yankees dugout for treating a regular season game like it was the World Series. Even Michael Jordan said he wasn't addicting to gambling, but he was addicted to competition. Rose is cut from the same cloth.

[@CapAnson12345]

Rose isn't in mainly because he's an unlikable dick everyone in baseball can't stand. He was a dick to yours truly as well. But from what I've heard through the grapevine they're waiting for him to die, then they'll vote him in the year after. Petty I know.

[@bennylowery8852]

Why does it matter what your politics are?

[@rayburger6605]

Most of these baseball writers wouldn't know the grip from the barrel of a bat, but they are the experts. Yah right.

[@gabegalvan7914]

Facts. Just guys still salty about being cut from the freshman hs team

[@adrianjohnson3136]

*NEWS FLASH* Nobody gives a shit about the HOF...its the game!

[@EightFrancs]

The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.

[@BillEFabian]

Guess you can’t have a point of view that differs with the narrative. You guys are weak.

[@trents3515]

thoughtful, forgiving and yet principled conversation on the subject by DP. it is a difficult subject, especially given how willing some people have been to try and excuse the inexcusable. Schilling's candidacy, based off the numbers, is borderline at best. i don't think it's unfair to figure in some extraneous subjects when considering someone for the Hall. being a scumbag or a criminal etc doesn't help anyone with anything (unless their auditioning for some form of dictator) in life. should that not matter when it comes to the very high bar of being someone others would want to immortalize in the Hall? if you're about the big picture, figuring in play and what someone represents (ie their particular brand of "fame"), why not choose Dale Murphy over Schilling? Murphy's numbers trailed off but that can be seen as proof of his playing the game the right way... he dominated his era when he was at the age an athlete would normally do that. the problem is, some people like to lionize - for wont of a better word - 'deplorables'... and that is where the discussion gets complicated as then it is based off a set of unacknowledged assumptions ie whether you agree with such an approach or not. i, personally, don't think we should lionize people who cheat. not only does that keep out the players who did it right (we can only guess, of course), as well as possibly costing other players even a career, but what message does that send to the youth? i mean, isn't that one of the problems here in America right now? people don't have standards for behavior, any accountability, and just about anything seems to go... yet, it is also undeniably true great players who cheated can and should still be part of the game's history - not as inductee with an asterisk but as part of a non-inducted, history wing maybe? cancel culture is not an admirable thing. neither is lack of ethics and not being accountable for mistakes.

[@shashanksreepathi7184]

schilling is not a borderline case lmao. He is a hof no doubt. if ppl hate his poilitical opinions and wont vote cuz of that they should not even be voters.

[@Yeomannn]

9:22

[@jdc4483]

Disagree with the premise that what Shilling said is wrong, and he should be considered regardless. He was correct and should be considered, regardless.

[@coldwinter5428]

What did Shilling say was wrong? Over 2 billion dollars in property damages were committed during all the race marches/rioting this past year.

[@evancortez2]

one way to get into the HOF is to whine and cry and complain like what Drew Pearson did

[@MrKDollarSign]

Well, if a player‘s beliefs aligns with the 9/11 hijackers would that be ignored?

[@allensaunders449]

I don't care if players took steroids

[@flipperhansen5600]

So you don’t have a problem with cheating? Ok, food to know.

[@trescurvas]

those voters do not know anything about baseball, the pettiness here with Billy Wagner is outstanding, say what you want Billy the kid is a Hall of Famer anybody that follows baseball knows that just because he was a low key guy in his career they are denying the hall to this guy it's Amazing !!!!

[@johnrobichaud1205]

L

[@ronherrera8327]

Somebody like Jeff Kent should’ve got more votes. He always put up good numbers and was very consistent. Reminded me a lot of Craig Biggio.

[@rafibenavi4772]

Entires or Entries???

[@flipperhansen5600]

All the steroids guys? Nope. They cheated. If it didn’t benefit their game, they wouldn’t have done it.

[@boataxe4605]

Then what about all the guys who were using cocaine in the 70’s and 80’s?

[@flipperhansen5600]

@@boataxe4605 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and today. Coke is illegal sure, but you coke doesn’t elevate your game. Nobody hits 40 hr’s coke free and then 70 when they’re snorting a line or two. Silly comparison.

[@boataxe4605]

@@flipperhansen5600 If coke didn’t make you feel superhuman for a few hours people wouldn’t be dying from it and over it. I’m sure it added a few mph to Gooden’s fastball and more than a few feet to the balls that Strawberry hit.

[@flipperhansen5600]

@@boataxe4605 what exactly is your argument here? Anybody who’s doing serious coke, their numbers and production falls. So what, Doc may have added 2-3 mph on his fastball, but the drugs took over and killed his career. On the other hand, look at the names on the Mitchell report. Every single guy listed was in the juice and their hr totals went up 10-20%. But again, are you arguing steroids didn’t benefit players production or that coke did too? If it’s the latter, you’re delusional.

[@boataxe4605]

@@flipperhansen5600 My argument is that if the cokeheads are in the hall the juicers should be too, if the hall is going to be only for those who played clean take out the cokeheads.

[@EMo-rx7pm]

If politics matter, shouldn't there be equal amounts of Republicans and Democrats voting?

[@davidnelson7719]

Put them all in.

[@rafibenavi4772]

Dan should vote. He has the right attitude 👏 about this...

[@randyransio7870]

There is no talent left for hof.

[@chrisrunyon2372]

There are guys in the hall that used roids.. pudge damn sure did. And I dont care what anyone says griffey jr dabbled with them. There is still 100 names on that list that we are not allowed to know about. How do we know some of those names didn't get in? Bonds is flat out a hall of famer!