If in Doubt, Revert to Type

[@mark7s980]

Star Trek lost it's soul when Majel Barrett died.

[@JohnKoenig-db8lk]

The only reason she was cast was because she was Roddenberry's side piece. One of them, anyway.

[@NDatAI]

@@JohnKoenig-db8lk If you're competent, nobody cares how you got the gig. They're just happy you're getting the job done.

[@mark7s980]

@@JohnKoenig-db8lk side piece? They were married.

[@JohnKoenig-db8lk]

@NDatAI NBC cared. That's why they forced Roddenberry to eliminate the character of Number One.

[@JohnKoenig-db8lk]

@mark7s980 Gene was married to Eileen Roddenberry until 1969. He was also involved with Nichelle Nichols while married to her.

[@DarthDevorin]

"Try new things," aka throw stuff at the wall and use whatever sticks.

[@senn4237]

Or "I know better than the original creators"

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

DS9's new approach was pretty simple: What if instead of travelling the stars exploring new things, we set the story in one place and bring the new things to them? That's the whole reason the wormhole exists, it's just a means to have anything the writers come up with appear on the station. And this new approach allowed a new spin on the original "space western" concept by setting up this frontier town environment complete with the local sheriff, the seedy tavern, and the "blacksmith" always having to fix things.

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

Two things; one TOS was inspired by the westerns of the time like The Rifleman and Have Gun Will Travel. An episodic television format with a problem of the week and then the ship moves on. DS9 was inspired by shows like Bonanza where the town is the center piece and the problems come to town. Which leads to my second point. Changing the setting to the space station let DS9 become the first serialized Star Trek show and allowed for more depth to characters and their relationships to each other. Which, in my opinion, is why DS9 didn’t do as well as TNG ratings wise because you had to see every episode in order to understand what was going on. But thanks to streaming where we can get the entire show from start to finish is why the DS9 fan base has exploded over the last 10 years.

[@Grubnar]

Benjamin Sisko is like some black Cavalry Commander, that arrives in Terok Nor (DS9) that is like some "Silver Mine Town" that has just been liberated by the Federation (United States) from the clutches of a falling Empire (Spain) after having brutally exploited and enslaved the natives (Bajorans). Damn! It really IS a space western!

[@funkydiscogod]

I remember when DS9's writers were saying "oh, no! we accidentally made Gul Dukat relatable! Quick! We need to do something to let the audience know he is unambiguously evil!"

[@robertbrown3413]

Gul Dukat was a very deep character, good in the way Alfred Bester was in Babylon5.

[@jamie2487]

To be fair that definitely did happen a few times, like that episode with the cult on Empok Nor or parts of Waltz but it was handled MUCH more tactfully than anything in nu trek

[@mikedignum1868]

There is no Kelvin timeline...only Zool.😂

[@Funaru]

The three things fans of a franchise most care about are: 1) The spirit - Is it true to the spirit of the original creator? Does it feel like it belongs in the same universe and lore? 2) The writing - Are the plots and dialogues well-written? Are they logically and empirically plausible within the lore? 3) The aesthetics - Does it look and sound like it belongs in the same universe? Is there visual continuity to previous projects? New Trek has not met any of these criteria while the new Star Wars projects arguably at least look and sound like Star Wars.

[@terryfernandez2852]

If It Is Working Dont Change, and If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[@chance_ondriezek99]

There’s only been one Captain America. There’s only ever gonna be one Captain America.

[@rosapower7880]

Exactly. And that’s Steve Rogers. Too bad Disney had to ruin that. 😒

[@motaz1975]

what?? you dont like captain DEI?!? lol!

[@funkydiscogod]

@@motaz1975 CapDEIn Amerikkka

[@kurtwinter4422]

Some muthafuckas always trying to ice skate uphill

[@NDatAI]

It's a little ironic that DC, who was late to the game in making their heroes actual people, has been better with the whole 'legacy' thing than Marvel. Neither Barry Allen nor Hal Jordan are the first characters I think of when their superhero identities come up. As you might imagine from that, I'm not against the idea of someone else taking up a hero's mantle. But Sam Wilson, if he was going to have a big story about how he fits into the American dream, needed to at least _start_ to resolve that before they even toyed with giving him the shield. Heck, since we meet him as a special forces medic, it sure seemed like Sam had already come to terms with that before we met him. The point of Captain America is not that the hero or the nation is perfect, but that the good outweighs the, mostly unintentional, bad. You don't show that by haranguing people, and certainly not as the climax of the story. And it's not *you* have to do better, it's *we* have to do better, as a realization that builds into the moral strength to defeat the bad guy, where he disassembles their villain monologue with how he _will_ be better.

[@OldMusicFan83]

‘Moral relativism’ is a sham to conceal and justify the evil and perverse hobbies of the writer, director and production team.

[@tyrgoossens]

"Tonight's episode: the writer's barely-disguised fetish."

[@xkqos]

I am Native American, Look up education stats for us... We dont have Hero's.. I looked up to Star trek Heroes and I am in STEM now. I became an engineer in hopes we someday will grow towards a star trek future. Two years ago i finally got to meet some of the stars of the show to tell them I would not be here without Heroes to Worship, Something to strive for...

[@senn4237]

Absolutely. Thank you for sharing.

[@aeonnortune]

Good stuff man, I was also heavily influenced by Star Trek: TNG growing up. Every day in middle school and high school I'd rush home to watch two episodes of TNG which were in syndicated run every weekday on CBS. I'd have my parents buy blank VHS tapes and dutifully record every episode I could. I had the engineering manual books, the star trek encyclopedia, and a bunch of the novels. I'm currently in my 40s and a senior separations chemist where I work, and Star Trek was a big reason I knew I wanted to be a scientist since I was about 10 or 11. So needless to say, in Picard Season 3 when the whole cast walks onto the Enterprise D bridge and the lights come up it hit me right hard in the feels. I sincerely hope star trek can get back to inspiring those kinds of feelings in people again (and not just in a one off season Where Kurtzmann accidentally let something good be made because he had written it off). Perversely I really get the impression Kurtzmann and Paramount purposely have resisted giving star trek fans what they want.

[@danielseelye6005]

Tell them to rent "The Making of Star Trek" book from 1968 and go from there.

[@doberski6855]

On the hunt for a copy of that book myself it has been awhile since I last read it. Also hoping to get my hands on a copy of 'The World of Star Trek' from 1973 from David Gerrold. It has been awhile since I read that one as well. Both are excellent templates on how to write Star Trek, or good fiction in my opinion.

[@M0butu]

someone following Chato here, aren't we? 😅 man of culture 👍

[@doberski6855]

@ 😂👍It is one of his videos that reminded me of both books and made me want to read them again! He is brilliant and funny as hell!

[@justanothercomment416]

Dave, I want to say I appreciate your occasional reference to Christianity and its moralism. You're not alone and many more people support this than you may realize. God bless.

[@sorabisslade]

Most people cant understand the difference between star trek & starwars, and the people making modern trek since enterprise ended are prime examples.

[@robertjenkins3308]

There are hundreds and hundreds of hours of Trek that were produced between 1966 and 2005. I don't think the people in charge of Trek now have watched a single hour of any of it.

[@funkydiscogod]

Why should they? They're here to create new ideas.

[@Funaru]

The Lower Decks and Picard season 3 people did but they are obviously independent from Kurzman and Goldsman.

[@Henyo315]

Please.. Tokusatsu has been doing the same thing for 50 years and counting. Only major thing that has changed greatly is how much toys they are selling.

[@smexijebus]

Less flash, more think

[@janw6138]

Kurtzman's Star Drek just made me go boldly somewhere else.

[@buffalodebill1976]

Star Trek died with Kelvin timeline movies and the STD series, so at this point, coming up with anything NOT BAD would be trying something new. It's sad, but that's what it is.

[@dereklocke18]

Somebody sit the people at Disney and Paramount down, force them to watch this video and don’t let them leave the room until they GET IT!

[@MarsM13]

It hasn't been trying new things. It keeps trying to rip off Aliens and The Matrix. The Matrix was over 25 years ago, and Aliens was, I'm not even sure, forty years ago? It's all dark clothes and dark metal and shadows and martial arts in odd settings. The funny thing is that The Orville is a perfect example of how to modernize Star Trek while still keeping it recognizably Star Trek. Instead of "modernizing" it by ripping off other genres that themselves are old and dated.

[@Funaru]

Orville has the spirit of Star Trek with it's optimistic and light-hearted approach. New Trek is too dark and takes itself and especially its identity politics way too seriously.

[@rmnffx]

@@Funaru Orville was as bad as Discovery by its final season.

[@Funaru]

@@rmnffx Why do you think so? I rather liked it.

[@survivaloptions4999]

I generally liked Solo, but that guy looked so much like Frank Calliendo I was expecting him to break out in a John Madden impression at any moment

[@th3mous380]

The 3 problems they have is the writing the writing and the writing. They can't write Good vs. Evil because moral relativists can only deconstruct Good vs. Evil. They can't write the Heroic because the Heroic is anti egalitarian. They can only deconstruct the heroic.

[@justanothercomment416]

People have lost sight of what scifi actually is. It's a story. If done correctly, it's an appealing story. The scifi aspect of it is secondary. It's a setting, a theme, a mechanism to facilitate the story telling. If one creates bad stories, the setting is irrelevant. Add to this, if one writes a story within a pre-existing setting, one is bound by the terms and conditions of that universe. Modifying the rules is violates the social contract the story teller has with the audience. Writing stories which both violate the contract and are bad, will always fail. But what people fail to understand, the current pointed end is not to entertain. The purpose is to narrate and normalize bad ideologies. There's a word for this. "Social engineering" is perhaps a nice way of saying it. There are only three Star Wars movies. Doubt me? Go watch the Red Letter Media Reviews. Test yourself with some of the questions they pose.

[@JohnSmith-or8rh]

Great review! You know that things are BAD when more and more of us are looking back and starting to think more favorably of Rick Berman. 😆 Life is a funny thing!🤣😂

[@Dilios_of_Sparta]

I'm all into Star Trek The Animated Series from Filmation. I don't care if others call it "kiddy" or "cheesy." I love it. It beats the crap out of this Secret Hideout dreck. By the way Dave, it would be great if you did a review of the series!

[@Haplo699g]

Honestly, the most authentic feeling Star Trek media I've experienced recently was Resurgence.

[@spydermag5644]

I watched the first episode of the series after Enterprise since it was on regular tv. Then it went behind a paywall. I have not missed.

[@whya2ndaccount]

"new" maybe, but new doesn't mean sh*t.

[@tacitustoday3571]

Good story, good script, relatable and believable characters and NO DEI.

[@lonjohnson5161]

Desperate times call for proven measures. -- Pearson's Puppeteers proverb.

[@Dantegrey1]

Star Trek 1966-2005

[@Uzarran]

I personally loved how Star Wars the Old Republic originally portrayed some of their Sith characters as not being wholly evil. Darth Marr most of all, because he always came across as a patriot and pragmatist. Doing what he did less for personal power than for the good of the Sith Empire as a whole. But, the reason why he worked so well is because there were always extremists within the Empire who were entirely evil, and without redemption. Without those extremes to define the Sith philosophy, and inform us that they are villains, characters like Marr are meaningless, and lose what makes them so engaging.

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

My dad joined the U.S. Navy because he was inspired by Star Trek and he became an Engineering Duty Officer… Scotty essentially.

[@Simian-bz7zo]

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

[@festerallday]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="126">2:06</a> fully agreed 👍

[@deadpanbarry5442]

They would have to hit a home run to drag me back to watching tripe in the cinema or on TV at the moment. We're all burned out and so is their bank balance.... Enough all ready😮

[@JohnDoe-i5z5c]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="349">5:49</a> the underlying problem with current Star Trek is the people in charge don’t care about the franchise and secondly they don’t have the morals to understand Star Trek.

[@OldMusicFan83]

Star Trek should get back to basics.

[@martinh8784]

Let's make a movie for the modern audience. All THREE of them!

[@stipe3124]

Give me good Old TNG era Trek and that is it

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

To be honest, all it would take to save Star Trek would be for it to be produced and directed by people who don't hate it. It would help if they also knew and liked Star Trek, but if they didn't want to corrupt or deconstruct it, that would be a good start.

[@javonyounger5107]

In many ways, DS9 was a deconstruction of the setting made by people who actually understand the setting and its appeals, Section 31 is a deconstruction of the setting made by people who don't and seemingly do not care to.

[@j.r.warren5794]

Star Trek used to give hope. Now with Section 31 all I can hope for is this simulation we are living to lose power.

[@caravaggio2012]

A couple of other thoughts I have about Trek... It needs 16-20 episode seasons in order to work, it needs an ensemble cast of characters that all get explored (2-3 main characters and 3-5 side characters that still get some episodes of their own), and season long "We have to stop the super weapon!" and "something is going to destroy the whole universe!" plots have to put to the wayside and go back to single, smaller scifi and morality story episodes with some 2-3 episode bigger plots sprinkled in. Even in the heart of DS9's Dominion War seasons, most of the episodes in a season were smaller science fiction or morality episodes that had just a little of the war plot sprinkled in. You can't make a Trek series about 1 character. 8 - 10 episode seasons do not work because you really don't have time to care about any of the characters and you can't get any of the little stories that make Trek so great. I'd much rather have lesser quality special effects and unknown actors with great 16-20 episodes than glitzy 8 episode seasons that have no depth and keep telling the same "The whole galaxy is going to be destroyed!" season long plots.

[@NDatAI]

There's nothing wrong with big, season long arcs. Ridiculously high stakes in a continuing franchise are stupid, though. No one believes you're going to blow up the setting; they probably don't even believe you're going to permanently harm any returning cast. You need to find stakes that matter to the characters, and that means you need to make the characters matter to the audience. Which takes time, and often requires you to see the cast doing different and even *gasp!* normal things. But you're right that actual _episodes_ would be a nice change of pace, where a story starts and ends during an episode and focuses on different characters. Spend most of the season with the main arc as B plot or even absent so you can spend time with the cast. Naturally, this means taking more time to tell your story... and again, having more than the arc story is necessary to keep the audience interested.

[@DeadInsideDave]

wheres a grassy knole when u need one.

[@milestrombley1466]

They should make new shows that focus on other factions. Like the Klingons, Romuliens, or maybe a series that focus on the Terrian Empire in the mirror-verse.

[@zyme5998]

You know, people complained about Stargate Universe, but at the end of the day it wasn't a bad show, it was different from the other series in the franchise, and while many SG-1 and atlantis fans didn't give it a chance when it first came out it brought in other types of fans to the franchise, unfortunatly MGM was broke by then. I have this suspicon that these studios could expand their core audience so long as there's always one series that's keeping to the core values, and it might even bring more hype for crossovers because of how different they are. Why do the studios think that they have to alienate their core base of fans in order to draw in people looking for a different type of content?

[@RolandDeschainee]

I loved Enterprise

[@alunrundle162]

Star Trek was never the same after they got rid of the carpet.

[@jrherita]

I hope Strange New Worlds Season 3 moves in the right direction

[@Soubifloof]

Revert to type, reverting to what they thought worked os precisely why we keep getting reworks and reimaginings, thats not working either

[@brick6347]

I have nothing against new things. What I don't want is moribund drivel full of present day LA "problems" and activism.

[@andrefreeman7025]

The only thing that can bring me back to Star Trek is The Story of Equinox ( from Star Trek: Voyager), which would be made in Battlestar Galactica style.

[@NDatAI]

Ron Moore's _Voyager,_ more or less? I'd hope he at least wrote a general outline for the story before he started, though.

[@2tone209]

AY UP DAVE

[@grumpyoldwizard]

They can give us what we want. Evidence Pickard season 3. That season almost seems like a troll, since they show us they can, then ignore us and give us more crap.

[@frosty2912]

Dave for the next StarTrek director, please go back to the DS9 days!

[@surlyunicorn9461]

It’s like someone saw Farscape or Blake’s 7 or some other sci-fi and tried cramming it into Trek. Star Trek should never try to be Farscape. It’s fundamentally not dark and chaotic. I love both shows but they’re total opposites. Farscape mixed dark and sometimes disturbing themes with humorous situations well. It understood that kind of balancing act and did it successfully more often than not. Star Trek on the other hand was about human beings striving to live in a better tomorrow and watching characters navigating the challenges that presented were what made it great. Aliens were often representations of aspects of ourselves, both good and bad. It encouraged introspection and understanding human nature.

[@PatrickHenryWoW]

Algorithm go brrrrrrrrrr. Also, thanks for another solid vid.

[@HappyCodingZX]

Remember when Enterprise felt slightly disappointing? Those were the days...

[@mylovemachine]

I've been re-watching it, and I love it!

[@HappyCodingZX]

@@mylovemachine yep, once you hit season 4 it's great. Spiner and Coombs both hamming it up, what more could you ask for :)

[@reaverofjillsandwichesreviews]

As he pointed out with DS9 I think doing something different can work, as long as it feels like the universe. The problem is they didn't need different after so long off of tv. We needed the Enterprise exploring new worlds, be it the Enterprise f g h or whatever. Put together a good cast of characters and good writers and they'd have had an instant hit, at least with the target audience. THEN they can try something different, if done well. Does anyone think DS9 works if it's the spin off of TOS? No of course it doesn't. People would not have stood for that. Trek had been off the air for even longer at that point, so making TNG they returned to the formula that worked and expanded on it, which worked. And they were able to create spin offs that people like. Stop subverting fan expectations, stop thinking you're more clever than you actually are-writers and studios, and just give fans what we want. What we've wanted since Enterprise ended, or for some of us before enterprise even aired, good star trek that moves the timeline FORWARD. Give us what we want and we'll buy the blue rays, merch, sing the praises of the series to anyone who will listen, etc. Easy money.

[@ian-flanagan]

If we stop rewarding franchisism, they will stop trying to justify XYZ trying new things. Things are new by default. We all win.

[@greyd.99xsome]

I have no problem with a even more grounded Trek. With a Federation which is struggling with itself like in DS9 (In the Pale Moonlight, For the Uniform) ). To explore the question what it costs staying true to it's own believes. Or to be confronted with the consequences of the Dominion war. Miles O'Brien in The Wounded would be a good example for this kind of story. What I am trying to say is, I would try to preserve the overall optimism of Star Trek but add some flaws into the characters. Starfleet officers are just people after all.

[@haitolawrence5986]

In what alternate reality is a guy called 'Joe George'? LOL

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

No they need to look to the past and learn about Gene Roddenberry's vision in order to understand the foundation that made Star Trek what it was and why it became as big as it once was.

[@mattorlando415]

The problem with Star Trek and even Star Wars is that they are specific visions of one man. Next gen doesn't happen and doesn't have the impact it did without Gene being so strict on achieving his vision and it's well documented that most of the writers struggled with that concept and thus we had DS9 only after Gene had passed. As you get further out from his being alive the brand degrades (although they had some good luck with Enterprise in specific moments). You need one person with a strong vision and the balls to fight for it and a team of intelligent and experienced artists writing, directing, prop design etc. You can't borrow from other franchises and try to make Star Trek like GOT. It really might not be possible to do anything other than very high level fan art at this point.

[@wildlifetails]

Take the TOS animated series nobody saw. Redo it as TOS season S4 in live action using all digital trickery we now have and put it up against some new Trek and see who wins.

[@GKHTS]

Not to get political but lets face it, the biggest reason for why Trek is what it is today is for political reasons but your statement about reverting, I agree with and it reminds me of the Lefts motto of 'Keep moving forward'. No matter how bad things get or how much they screw up or just make things worse, they always say 'move forward' and when someone on the Right says to stop or suggests a different way or just that it was working before so don't fix it if it isn't broken, they are then accused of going backwards. Of course this logic makes no sense. If you are going the wrong way you turn around. If you are going to drive off a cliff, you hit the breaks and slow down or just stop. It's this way with Trek, if they really cared about Trek or just good stories that make sense and people like, much less the unity and tolerance they like to rant about, they would indeed stop and change course or just go back to what people liked. It's not like the stories are all the same, it's the themes and thought provoking that people want without the lecturing that isn't even unifying, ironically.

[@luckado]

Whoever owns the Star Trek IP should make a new show that picks up 30 years after where TNG/DS9/VOY left off, minus all the woke/DEI infusion. It will never happen, because that would mean they have to admit that infusing that garbage was the wrong decision. Sad.

[@noman6041]

While the original series of Star Trek and The Next Generation were about exploring space and discovering new races, Deep Space Nine was the opposite. New races and explorers came to them. Instead of the mobile starship seeking out new civilizations, the wormhole made it possible for the new civilizations to come to the space station. It was 'flipping' the concept but it worked. It was a new and innovative idea but it was a good idea. And everything after DS9 was a BAD idea.

[@colonelsanders3674]

It's hard to say "revert to type" though when the whole reason people lost interest in Trek was because, by the time Enterprise rolled around, people were bored of the Trek formula. The solution to making Trek good again is complicated unfortunately

[@ThePezzy12345]

I honestly don't know how to fix live action Star Trek. I would love to see a series focused on the Enterprise C, or even the 'Cardassian Border Wars' era, but a step back in the lore, while great for the old fans, wouldn't help the franchise move forward. Maybe declare everything after Nemesis as non-canon and move on from there? I don't know. They can try something new, but they have to stay true to what made Trek so great to begin with.

[@germantoenglish898]

I grew up with a feel-good Star Trek that genuinely pondered the meaning of humanity and life. It didn't shy away from sensitive themes. It was food for thought. The newer Star Trek feels more like being force-fed propaganda and woe betide the viewer who doesn't 100% accept the flavor of the food on the menu. It isn't uplifting or thought-provoking but preachy and leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Written by people more interested in using the brand to push an agenda than tell a good story.

[@KardboardKenny]

was puke hard S3 really good or has trek (like SW) been so bad that you only think it was good because current standards are so f'n low?

[@anyonecanart3394]

I'm all about Star Trek trying new things but it needs to try new things out in a framework they know will work with the people that actually give a f*** about the franchise. New characters that's fine diversity that's fine all sorts of stuff like that that's fine but do it in a way where people that are already interested in it are going to watch it. You're not going to get Star Trek back up into the the high echelons that it used to be in by trying to coax in new viewers by making it as dumb down and watered down as possible trust and Believe in the people that like the show that will come back if it's good enough to.

[@Gonkgonk1138]

They need to go back to what worked, but that has to be more than just nostalgia and doing "greatest hits" remakes like Alien: Romulus and Ghostbusters: Afterlife. Keep the heart of the franchise, but give us new characters and original stories.

[@1KGB]

Paramount should do what TNG did when it improved- look at unsolicited, over-the-transom fan scripts.

[@Funaru]

TNG also improved when it began to focus character-driven storytelling. I could never even remember the names of any STD crew members except maybe three or four.

[@LightsCameraKonkle]

Agreed

[@Subninja2012]

New things still means defined by boundaries of canon. We want science fiction. Not social commentary about the plight of the “minority.”

[@patsk8872]

Sack the entire staff

[@matthewliddell6638]

Leslye Headland convinced herself that she could conjure a 'Watchmen' style gender bending anti-hero drama whole cloth into the Star Wars universe. I don't she's as well read about Star Wars as Alan Moore was about superheroes to take the whole genre and turn it on its head.

[@darktenor4967]

I love how when one of these hacks produces a woke bomb, there are all these articles about "trying new things", and how the fans need to "get used to things not being the same anymore!" It's as if good writing and good acting don't exist, and every series is the same quality, with just random "choice", determining whether it's good or not. Yes, there are occasionally unsung classics, but generally if something is a mega bomb, it's because the people making it are just plane bad at their jobs!

[@deaks25]

I think Hollywood still hasn't quite broken it's infatuation with the MCU model; to be popular they just have to cool-looking movies with an old IP slapped on the box. You see it in almost every existing IP, heck even the MCU still falls for it with the new Captain America. I'm not sure who thought that was going to work straight after Evans' iconic performance in the role... For me, what I want is what Enterprise did (Remember when liking Enterprise got you ridiculed...); take the look and feel of Star Trek and go somewhere new and interesting. As a prequel series, in hindsight, it works very well because it wrote it's own history without rewriting the future from past Series. Ending aside, because that was trash. It's why I was excited at the talk of the rumoured Star Trek Legacy series; the new crew and characters introduced in PIC S3 given their own series. That could be great if done right. But instead, the studio decided on a cash-grab action movie, which has amusingly backfired.

[@NattyEatsJunk]

of course the writer is on bluesky and not twtter

[@Reepicheep-1]

"VERBed for a modern audience" is a kiss of death for adults or anyone sane. I like _Drinker's_ observation modern movies are written for AND BY children. They can't do anything that isn't slapstick, hasty, or serious. And they need to Stop Caricaturing Older Heros! Han got infantalized in VII & especially Solo. EU is Canon, DisCrap is not.

[@joeytaylor3517]

why should Star Trek try new things? I know they say variety is the spice of life. But with me, for example, when i order chinese food i always order sweet and sour chicken. I love it and i will never stop only ordering it and thats what i tell people. Star Trek likes sweet and sour chicken.

[@Bar-Lord]

I gave up hope long ago of this franchise coming back while Paramount exists or Bad Robot/Secret Hideout producing it. Until that changes, I actively delight in it failing.

[@robertbrown3413]

A Deus V. Machina - 'Trek crossover?

[@meryuk]

👏

[@stevenbooker8688]

Even enterprise felt like trek, |I just don't associate this new stuff with star trek.

[@ClannerJake]

dear mainstream apostates, we want the same with better production and care to the cogency of the story and character; we don't want brandark the greater being labeled as the greatest philosophical saint of our age as he literally magoo's off the stage. what i want from häagen-dazs is more flavors, i don't want ground beef, i want icecream, and as soon as you put it into a rootbeer it becomes a float and ceases to be a icecream. same way with coffee, i'm not drinking water; and if your kopi luwak tastes like civet poop, you've screwed up your selection process.

[@Ahmenthi]

Star Trek succeeded when the people in charge of it cared about the universe. Kurtzman doesn't care about Star Trek. He cares about what it can do for him, not what he can do for it. Star Trek is a phenomenon that got people to think and showed us a grand vision of the future. What has Kurtzman done to fit that mold? I don't see things to aspire to be in Kurtzman Trek. I don't see moral dilemmas being questioned. I see ridiculous stories with current year slang that likely wouldn't be present centuries from now. I see terrible characters being awkwardly inserted where they don't fit at all. All Kurtzman wants is to be a popular creative like Gene and thought he could do it with Star Trek. His style doesn't mesh with the franchise, and that's why Picard season 3 blew everything he's had a hand in out of the water. Terry Matalas cared enough about Star Trek, and he delivered. Terry proved he would do Alex Kurtzman's job better. People like Terry are why I know these franchises can be fixed. The reason why they aren't being fixed lies in the people controlling them right now. Find passionate people who really care and know the world they're working with, and things will likely improve.

[@treybrannon4964]

Section 31 was a DS9 ( (the darkest - and best- Trek) invention, but it was also barely featured, as less is more, and also, juxtaposed to what makes Trek STAR TREK. Bashir, ever the optimist, embodied Starfleet ideals and it's why he was the perfect character to be protagonist opposed Section 31. The section31 episodes were among DS9's best...but it should never be FOCUSED on, nor was the argument ever S31 was good, merely realistically necessary. It should never be an organization that is the central focus of a series or movie. It should be used sparringly, and, only to raise morally grey questions, never to be sympathized with, much less rationalized.

[@Tallacus]

Alex Kurtzman is sole responsible for the ruination of Star Trek. Mike McMahan's Lower Decks was the only decent Star Trek we had in this era.

[@fermidox]

"Try new things". How bout them actually making Star Trek - that would be new...

[@SunshineLoLypops]

Except DS9 and Voyager were literal rip-offs of Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica before those shows could be made. If the higher ups would pay and credit the creatives who come up with good ideas there would be less crap.

[@christosvoskresye]

I don't think Star Trek can be fixed. Not, at least, if all the Mist that has been made over the past 2 decades is retained as canon. It's been decades since "official" Star Trek was better than fan-made stories.

[@Johnsmith-ko9yj]

The state of these films proves having a degree in seventh century feminism or under water basket weaving degrees fails to make good films.

[@derylleon]

This.

[@jumbowhiffy6511]

I'll just wait for the bluray / AI / upscaled versions of DS9 & Voyager to keep me happy

[@Funaru]

Rather unlikely unfortunately as there is only 480p digital source material which doesn't look great upscaled. For TOS and TNG they still had analogue tapes which could be remastered.

[@jumbowhiffy6511]

@@Funaru How depressing. How much work goes into the DS9 upscaled shorts I see on KZbin. They give me hope

[@Project-Masculinity]

BOT ALERT ‼️

[@Vaultboy101]

Your comments are always so inspiring. Keep up the good woke..I mean work🙏🫡👍